WEBVTT - Elbow Squids and Bone Spikes 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:07.280 It's eleven p m. In rural Pennsylvania and you're listening 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:24.040 tonight Call. Hello, and welcome to Night Call, a podcast 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.400 for your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Test Lynch 0:00:27.480 --> 0:00:30.720 in Los Angeles, and with me I have Molly Lambert 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.559 and in New York Emily Yoshida. Guys, I want to 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:38.800 start off with an apology Nightcall Apologies desk top of show. 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:45.839 Apologies to uh the entire Life Science team, who I 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:48.879 feel I have offended greatly and must come now like 0:00:49.000 --> 0:00:52.280 hanging my head and shame. We got an email from 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.800 a writer at Live Science subject line, I'm so sad 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.080 you called Life Science bullshit, and I feel like it 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:03.880 to them to uh to to uh set the records 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:08.639 straight on Life Science or l S as we call it. Um. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:10.640 So I'm just going to read a bit of it 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.600 because it's a little long, but you'll get the point. 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:17.039 I'm so sad you said Life Science is a bullshit site, 0:01:17.160 --> 0:01:20.679 an aggregator and content farm. To be fair, the awful 0:01:20.720 --> 0:01:23.000 look of the site and the ads easily obscure the 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:26.039 actual content. But to call out something as bullshit, you 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.840 have to carefully consider what's under the surface. So I 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:30.600 don't want to blame you, but I feel like I 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.920 have to explain. Believe it or not. All stories on 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.320 l S our original stories, with original reporting and interviews. 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.000 It's widely syndicated, to the point that some have called 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.920 it the associated press of science news. I have a 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.640 print story above fold in Washington Post. It's actually an 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:48.720 l S story, and it's widely read. I get more 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.880 reader emails, the majority of them school children, from my 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.200 l stories than my other pubs combined. Do you wonder 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.800 why the keywords turn up on other sites. That's because 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.240 the majority of everyday science news is based on press 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:04.120 releases of newly published studies, so everyone covers them. We 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.120 call it the science news turn cycle. And in fact 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.440 l S has been great at breaking the news before 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:14.200 everyone else. Frequently. It's also respected by public organizations and agencies. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.760 After quitting research, my first journalism job was at LS. 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.560 I was on all the press calls from the CDCs 0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:25.120 to any press briefings by major scientific journals, and it 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.560 goes on. But Emily, I am so glad that you 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:34.760 are admitting you were wrong, because Life Science is at 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:37.960 the best. It's a real great science website, and I 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:40.639 agree with she's saying. It's like there are some ads 0:02:40.760 --> 0:02:43.680 you know that are seems sketchy. They're those ads that 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:48.399 are like this one vegetable will destroy that's on everything. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:51.320 But I think, especially right now, it's more important than 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:57.360 ever to have verifiable sources on the internet, so especially 0:02:57.400 --> 0:03:00.680 about science. And I will say that, like from having 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:02.880 worked at the Virgin and and working you know a 0:03:02.880 --> 0:03:05.120 lot with Lisa Pato there, like she did a lot 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:06.920 of the same stuff, and there is a lot of 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.280 stuff that gets released, like these press releases from you know, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:14.639 different research departments and universities and stuff like that, and 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.120 I do think it's important and I'm glad that she 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.360 clarified this that like there are people with research backgrounds 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.320 who are reporting on this stuff and following up and 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:25.360 like asking the right questions about these releases, because a 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.960 lot of times what you'll see is people will just 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.120 take a release like a research or a study and 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.040 just publish it without actually looking into the terms of 0:03:34.040 --> 0:03:36.760 the study, the conditions of it. And this is something 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:39.680 that like, yeah, maybe some of the headlines on Live 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.080 Science seem like it's going to be something clicked baiting 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.520 in insane, but when you read the stories. They're always like, 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:50.880 very well, research measure science. So live science, we love you. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.640 I'm the only one who should be sorry. Emily was wrong. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:03.560 She was a flag about live science. UM, so let's 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:09.920 actually talk about a great story for life science. Life science. UM, 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:15.200 live stience. Please sponsor us. Please forgive Emily hashtag lockness monster, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:20.559 forgive Emily. UM. The ancient lockness monster from Antarctica broke 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:23.799 a record for body size. We have a very thick 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:31.120 ancient sea reptile, very round boy, lackless monster. UM. Paleontologists 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.720 have discovered the remains of an ancient Lockness monster look 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.599 alike in freezing Antarctica, and just like the legendary Nessy, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.240 it wasn't the runt of the litter. A four flippered 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.719 marine reptile prehistoric pleiosaur measured a colossal thirty six ft 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.360 from snout to tail, as long as a modern telephone pole. Okay, okay, 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:55.560 but it's a place like a diplodocus, so we can 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.839 call it plessy. It says it's it says it's also 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:04.120 quite stocky. They really reiterated the heaviest known um and 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:08.200 they found it. They found not to double down it's 0:05:08.240 --> 0:05:11.360 not a lockness monster, but it's an amazing like see, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.400 it's an amazing reptilian dinosaur, which is cool. It's a 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:17.760 super Yeah, it's super cool. And let's also credit the writer. 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.600 This was written by Laura. Yeah, let's start crediting the writers, 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:26.200 Associate editor Life Science, Good Words. Not a lockness monster, 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:31.839 but it looks it looks exactly like what you think 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:33.880 a lockness monster would look like. And it also makes 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:35.880 you be like, this is why people think there are 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:40.640 lockness monsters. No, because people existed long after these dinosaurs, right, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.839 but the idea that one could be just like left behind. 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.200 You think there's one out there, Well, that's what the 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.520 lockness monster is about, right, It's like there's like a yeah, 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:51.680 that's one that survived. But I don't I don't think 0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:55.960 it's going to be a plus us. But that one 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:03.920 is also in Scotland, famously Luckness and yet it has 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:08.720 a modern cousin who we think is nessy good word. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:12.400 You know, it is a real deep creature. We have 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.960 so many sea creatures today. Let's let's built. Okay, let's build. 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:18.480 Let's build up in the order of terrifying. Let's start 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.360 with the octopus city okay, which is not news. It's 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:22.839 just something that was brought up to us on the 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:25.520 Facebook group. Yeah, I had never heard of this, so 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.599 this is apparently Um, this is like a year old, 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.480 but totally flew under my radar, even though I have 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:36.039 many octopus tentacle feelers out for news relating to my 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:41.680 favorite marine cephalopods. There are these octopi who have created 0:06:41.720 --> 0:06:46.320 a city. They're calling it aucklantis Um. It's in eastern Australia, 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.080 and I guess everyone always thought that octopus were very 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:53.320 solitary creatures, but they have formed a community where they 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:57.920 communicate and they kind of warn each other of like octopy, 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.440 they don't like coming by there. They keep them out. 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:03.520 They build these dens out of shells and stuff, and 0:07:03.560 --> 0:07:07.279 they even evict octopy from their community if they don't 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:12.560 like their behavior. This was preceded by another octopus, cilis 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:17.360 that was nearby. I just like it so much, so 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.000 thank you for posting that in the Night Callers Facebook group, 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:23.800 because that is like, there's an endless stream of delightful 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:29.400 articles like this in there that I our. You know, 0:07:29.440 --> 0:07:32.240 it's not actually octopy, it's octopuses. It's just like hard 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.000 to say that, but octopuses. But I think we tell 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.920 ourselves that they are solitary creatures that don't socialize a 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:40.640 lot to make ourselves feel better, because when you start 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:44.360 thinking about the possibilities of an octopus city, it gets 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.200 very uncomfortable to think about your place in the universe 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:54.440 very quickly. Yeah, I want to I want to move 0:07:54.440 --> 0:08:00.480 to Octopolis. Sounds great? Are actlantis either? Planis another piece 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.440 of news that is not news, but also came to 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:08.080 us via Twitter. Apparently there is a maybe it's not 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.600 it's not accurate to say, a entire conspiracy theory, but 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:15.960 one lady is going real hard on the idea that 0:08:16.040 --> 0:08:19.320 monster energy drink a satanic um. Have you guys seen 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.760 this video? Apparently it went viral like a couple of 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.600 years ago, and and it's been debunked by Snopes and 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:27.880 all of that. Um I had. I could only watch 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.680 part of it because it had the the energy, so 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:35.040 to speak, of making me be like, no, I will 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:40.080 not explose my This is a woman named Christine. Yes, 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:44.440 she's also a bad She's a very bad can say yes, 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:48.600 she's like homophobic and anti muslins. Fun to laugh at her, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.280 but Yeah, she is. You know, she'll like interrupt Muslim 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:54.840 prayer meetings and ship like that. Like she's just not 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.040 a not chill at all. But she's been giving. She 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:03.120 has a speel. She has some YouTube videos about um. 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:06.719 She's like a right wing YouTuber and she um not 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.000 the only one who has a strong YouTube presence that 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.240 we will be talking about today's podcast, But she has 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:17.200 a I have to say, like, as you say, her 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.559 energy is very tough to take. She's got the spiel down. 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.320 You know if I was, If I was, i'd be 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.400 one over. Apparently the logo for a Monster Energy, which 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.040 kind of looks like the Jurassic Park three logo, it's 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:37.600 like three dinosaur scratches, um, looks like the Hebrew symbol vav, 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.840 which can stand for the letter six. So the label 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:46.079 of Monster Energy can read six six six. I know, no, no, 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.360 and Rachel is correcting us, which I was going to 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.000 get to. That is not how you would write six 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:53.679 six six in Hebrew, like you would write six D 0:09:53.840 --> 0:09:55.920 and sixty six or it would you would not just 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.440 be those letters. But um, if you are Christie Wike, 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:05.280 that would be how you would write it any through. UM. 0:10:05.360 --> 0:10:12.440 She also the tagline for Monster Energy Drinks beat this 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.040 feels that's all I like about it. Of like ten 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.839 ten years ago, maybe even the Monster Energy the O 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.120 and Monster has a line through it which is like 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.240 a five, like a Greek letter five. I have no 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:29.600 idea why it says that, but she's like, it's across 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:31.600 because the top of the oh is sort of flat. 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:33.680 And then she's like, if you turn it the camp 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.640 upside down because you're chucking a Monster Energy drink a 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:45.400 cross the symbol of the Antichrist. I saw the South 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.240 the Southland tails can cut at Lacma, and one of 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:52.040 the things they talked about was everybody drinking tons of 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:55.640 energy drinks the entire time, because it was during the 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:57.880 peak of energy drinks. For Richard Kelly, the director said, 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:02.480 everybody was pounding energy inns constantly, like cast and critical 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.840 the age of energy drinks. In a better world where 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.120 magazine still existed, we could have a good, uh oral 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.880 history of energy drinks that's really great other than coffee. 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:16.440 Other than coffee, I've never drunk a whole really, I 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.840 can't handle it. Oh my god, No, I I've drink 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:22.840 almost any energy drink that's ever been on the market 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.079 I have tried, I will try any new energy drink. 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.000 And I actually in looking at this thread about this 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.720 um this whole conspiracy theory that was brought to us 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:37.040 by a listener, John, one of our several Theologian listeners. 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.720 They were talking about there's another energy drink that's I 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:46.280 guess a proprietary of a supermarket Aldi which we've also 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.600 discussed on this podcast, that has a cross symbol in 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.480 the middle of it, which they were speculating was counter 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:56.120 marketing to the Antichrist imagery on Mustard energy drink. That's 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.640 really funny that the energy drink right then, it's like 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.120 it's a promo to roll out your influencer energy drink. 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:08.760 That's like holy water, put it in the hole where 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.040 you're here. But there was a really great blog about 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:16.080 about beverages that I like planned to revisit later because 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:19.240 that's totally my up my alley. I love to read 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.679 reviews of beverages. What's the best energy drink? The best 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:27.000 is and I don't think they make it anymore. But 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:30.760 there was a like quote all natural energy drink that 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:34.199 they sold. I think they had like a Trader Joe's, 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:36.920 you know, house brand version of it. And then there 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:39.400 was I think the exact same formula that they sold 0:12:39.440 --> 0:12:42.240 by some other brand at Whole Foods, and they made 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.720 an orange one of it. Uh, and I I could 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.920 only deal with the full sugar ones because I'm I 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:50.120 get headaches off of like sugar free ones. So that 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.480 was one that was like I didn't have too much 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:55.800 insane shit in it and but didn't give me a headache. 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:57.960 And I wish I could remember what it's called, but 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:59.760 it's not. I don't think they sell it anymore, but 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:01.880 it during the boom, it was like two five that 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.160 I was drinking that a lot. Tess, what do you do? 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:06.720 Just like straight coffee, I drink coffee. I drink a 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:09.640 ton of coffee. Actually last week I had two pots 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:12.120 of coffee, and I felt like that was a real 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.319 game changer for me in terms of what if my 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:18.600 monster energy coffee. Two pots of coffee was a lot 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.600 of cups of coffee. But I was drinking them in 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.960 uh my broommate actually I was, and I found because 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.680 it stays really cold, and it also makes you able 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.120 to ignore how many cups of coffee you're drinking because 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:35.600 you're drinking like a you're like this is like a 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.480 twenty four ounds cup of coffee. And then today I 0:13:38.480 --> 0:13:40.880 was telling Molly, I repeated, I don't think I had 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.920 a full two pots of coffee. I had. Um, let's 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:50.319 say ten cups would be dead if I drink the 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.960 cups of coffee or probably one full sugar energy drink. 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.679 I just I'm just a weak constitution. But I drink 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.600 the milk tea. That is what is my my sprack. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.480 But you don't drink milk. But the milk teat is 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:09.000 non dairy. That's the amazing No, it's coconut milk. It's 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:14.560 the best. My poison is the rose milk tea at 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.920 eighty five degrees celsius bakery. I don't know, tell me 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.280 more so good. It's like Hong Kong milk tea. It's 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.280 just like super milky and sugary if you can get 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:25.200 it without a ton of sugar at it, and then 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.720 it's got a rose flavored syrup in it, and then 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:30.160 it gets you. It's like delicious. So you drink it 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:34.240 really fast and then you are just through the roof sugar. 0:14:34.960 --> 0:14:39.240 Move along. My my scientific feeling about any energy drink 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:41.880 or tea or macha or anything like that is that 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:45.720 you need at least some sugar and fat in it 0:14:45.800 --> 0:14:48.880 to help it go through your body and affect your brain. 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.240 I would do a thing a while ago where I 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:59.200 cut out all sugar except um for fruit for four 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:03.400 days and then afterwards. Now I cannot drink or eat 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:07.120 sugary things like hardly at all. Uh. And so now 0:15:07.160 --> 0:15:10.200 I can't have like sugary coffee or sugary tea, like 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:13.080 any kind of sugary drink is it's taste gross to me, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:15.920 Like it makes my teeth feel immediately like they're wearing 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:21.560 little sweaters. It's not into it, can't do it. Uh. 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.800 But yeah, I mean I do think that the sugar definitely, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.239 because there is that whole like it's like the bulletproof 0:15:26.280 --> 0:15:28.600 thing where you need the fat for sure to kind 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:34.400 of like synthesize that. But I think drink like putting 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:47.480 butter in your coffee. Before we got a call from 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:53.680 uh from a listener after our transcendental meditation discussion. Um, 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.200 so it's actually we got an email from listener Bobby 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.720 Ladies of Nightcall. I love the show, but besides my 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:03.280 meager Patreon support, I felt like I haven't had anything 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.600 to contribute until now. After going through a traumatic event 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.520 in the military, I was made aware of the David 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.160 Lynch Foundation and its subsidized TM courses for veterans. I've 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.520 been practicing it now for over six months and it's 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:17.480 been extremely helpful for me in battling PTSD as well 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.880 as my pre existing depression and anxiety. Nobody that I've 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:23.240 met at the organization has given me a CULTI vibe, 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.800 and like Brian said, they haven't intruded into my life 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.800 after the initial training. I'm not one for evangelizing, but 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.600 I wish everyone could give TM a shot. Also, Emily, 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.280 I had the pleasure of meeting you on a side 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.040 street in Laredo, Mexico a couple of years ago. Unless 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.320 that was a weird dream, I mean I was definitely 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.720 in Loretto, Mexico a couple of years ago, so it's 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:47.560 probably me was I. We're in a lot of Delray shirt. Hi. Hi, 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:50.880 Bobby Uh. We were talking about this more. I think 0:16:50.920 --> 0:16:53.560 after our chat with Brian Copple movement you can go 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:55.400 back and listen to if you haven't listened to it yet. 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:59.640 Um And I think I think that the money thing 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.920 is probably the biggest like red flag that we have 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.080 or about TM right as far as you know, Well, 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.640 first of all, I'm really glad that transcendental meditation helped 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.320 Bobby with PTSD and managing anxiety, and also thank you 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.320 for your service. But my issue is that I think 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:20.280 it should be affordable for everyone. And there was a 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.359 really interesting UM first person account I think it was 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.560 in Vancouver magazine and the journalists Basically, it's just that 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:31.280 it's about fifteen hundred dollars to kind of initiate yourself 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.320 to get the secret information, which is basically your mantra, 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.919 but also it's the ceremony. And the journalist who wrote 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:41.600 this piece about her experience with this, so that she 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.480 was not allowed to talk about UM the ceremony as 0:17:44.480 --> 0:17:47.240 well as the mantra. She asked what the mantra meant. 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.800 They were like, it doesn't mean anything, it's fine. Then 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.960 she looked it up and found that it does have 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:53.960 some meaning and that it was given to I think 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.760 all of the UM female members who were you know, 0:17:56.800 --> 0:18:00.000 at her seminar that day or whatever. There's also UM 0:18:00.240 --> 0:18:02.760 this thing and again like this is all in this 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.600 this thing that I read, So I don't have any 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.600 firsthand knowledge of this, but yeah, we'll link to it. 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.560 You the kind of like selling point of like you 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:17.399 can levitate to me, that's that's very that's like fringe 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:21.000 ev it, right, Like I don't know. I've seen the 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:26.320 DVD where David Lynch explains the levitating. What it really 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.400 is is it's like you are sitting and meditating and 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:34.080 you sort of start to like bounce in place. It's 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:39.399 very silly seeming. However, I will say I totally believe 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:43.760 in meditation as a mental health practice for sure, and 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:46.399 I think that it is not pseudoscience. I think it 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.000 is like real and that it does like lower your 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:52.199 heart rate or whatever, you know, change your change the 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:57.280 way your brain works. Um. And it should be free 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:00.280 and it is free. You can meditate for free. Um. 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:03.960 I think both of my parents took tom and have 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.560 you know, nothing bad to say about it. I think 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.320 it's like they did it once, they like got their 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.320 mantras and got out. But again it's like I don't 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:15.040 think they get out. They do not hound you for 0:19:15.040 --> 0:19:17.840 the rest of your life if you try to disengage, 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:22.199 which is different from some yes CULTI things. So I 0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:24.360 think that is like at least you can, you can 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:27.439 get out. I've read that you should look into a 0:19:27.480 --> 0:19:32.480 book called The Relaxation Response by Herbert Benson, because it's 0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:35.400 basically the same thing, but a book that doesn't cost 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.800 fifteen dollars. And I was like, okay, I'll do that, 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:41.000 because yeah, I mean, meditating is awesome, and I definitely 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.199 think that the scholarships are a great idea. I think 0:19:43.280 --> 0:19:46.520 it's just that nobody should have to pay fifteen dollars 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:50.520 for a mantra, just my personal opinion. I I'm looking 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:53.160 forward to getting to the point where I can. I can, 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:55.040 I can try it and report back to you all. 0:19:55.040 --> 0:19:56.880 But of course I won't tell you my mantra. But 0:19:56.960 --> 0:20:02.880 you know, just yeah, but I'm very upwarding here. TM 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:07.800 want to sponsor us, do it? You might change our tune, 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:12.040 you know. I think that the main benefit of meditation 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.199 right now is that it means that you have to 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.960 look away from a screen. And the reason you might 0:20:17.000 --> 0:20:20.199 want to look away from a screen is this really 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:25.600 terrifying news study. Oh my god, Molly, take it away. 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:30.679 Oh this is the worst thing that's um, this is 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.800 a wild ass episode. I have to We've got everything 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:36.520 going on on this line this is this is a 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:40.480 great night call. Um. Maybe not a great time in 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:44.800 you know, society, but a great episode. Yeah, a great episode. Um. 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.560 And also I will say that I because Emily made 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.600 me paranoid about life science and the sources and I 0:20:50.640 --> 0:20:52.680 was like, I don't know where anything is being sourced from. Really, 0:20:53.040 --> 0:20:55.240 I assume these people are real. Um. I like double 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:59.760 checked it with other BBC can't argue. BBC also reported 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.960 on us um. So this is from the BBC link 0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:07.520 How modern life is Transforming the human skeleton by Zaria 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:12.880 Gorvette Uh. The emergence of a spiky growth at the 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:18.200 back of some people's skulls is causing people to wonder 0:21:18.440 --> 0:21:20.200 why we are all growing a weird bone on the 0:21:20.200 --> 0:21:22.400 back of our skulls. And it turns out it's from 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:29.240 smartphone usage. Just just to be clear though, basically this 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.400 this phenomenon has existed for a long time, but it 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.840 was very rare, and now it's one. As many as 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.280 one in four people between the ages of eighteen and 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.960 thirty are growing these spikes at the base of their 0:21:42.000 --> 0:21:46.040 skulls that they vary in size, some of them have 0:21:46.119 --> 0:21:48.680 been big. I have been a clinician for twenty years 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.000 and only in the last decade increasingly I have been 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:53.359 discovering that my patients have this growth on the skull, 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:56.639 says David Shahar help scientists at the University of the 0:21:56.640 --> 0:22:00.360 Sunshine Coast, Australia. The spike like feature, also no as 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:05.120 the external occupital protuberance, is found at the lower back 0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:08.360 of the skull, just above the neck. If you have one, 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:12.119 everyone feel if you have one, it's likely that you 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.200 will be able to feel it with your four fingers. 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.040 Do you guys have it? I can't tell. Is all 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:20.560 I've been doing is feeling my neck, trying to feel 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:22.439 if I have it, because I don't want it. So 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.879 some of them are up to thirty millimeters, which is 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.560 its big and they if you have no hair, they 0:22:28.560 --> 0:22:33.360 can even be visible. And yeah, so it's because it's 0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:35.680 too offset the weight of your head. So if your 0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:38.679 head is down your phone, it's ten pounds of strains. 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.920 So the bone is trying to kind of offset that 0:22:42.000 --> 0:22:44.639 weight by adding more weight to the back to balance 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:46.800 it out. It's not very much weight though, it's just 0:22:46.840 --> 0:22:49.040 a little oh it is. Oh, it is just the 0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:52.520 tip of the ice. As we hunch over our phones, 0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.080 we create our necks and hold our heads forwards. This 0:22:55.160 --> 0:22:58.040 is problematic cause the average head weighs around ten pounds 0:22:58.080 --> 0:23:00.320 as much as a large watermelon. As we all thanks 0:23:00.320 --> 0:23:04.240 to Jerry McGuire, uh and everybody has something called text neck, 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.040 which is because your head is not meant to be 0:23:07.040 --> 0:23:10.359 craning over a phone all the time. It's really bad 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:14.600 for you, and it's making people grow. It's well, it's 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.560 really bad for you. Might be misleading. It is bad 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:19.640 for you to look at the smartphones, but the bone itself, 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.560 as people's are. Elbows are shrinking. Yes, people are getting 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.440 weak elbows and weak and smaller jaws. But you know what. Okay, 0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:29.239 So I was doing this the other day. I had 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:31.760 been my phone told me that I had been looking 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:34.600 at it way too much, and I put down my 0:23:34.640 --> 0:23:37.560 phone and I rolled my eyes up. So I was 0:23:37.600 --> 0:23:41.760 looking at the ceiling and just by the just doing that, 0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:45.040