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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williams on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four seventh home of the Black and Gold

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Speaker 1: SNR Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to the Drive. I'm Dale Lollly.

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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williamson. And it is a beautiful Monday

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Speaker 1: here in Pittsburgh. And well, Matt, it's now April, and

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Speaker 1: you know what that means. Yeah, it's draft season. Man,

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Speaker 1: it is a draft season. It is in full swing.

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Speaker 1: And we've been doing plenty of work on the Triple

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Speaker 1: Take on Steelers dot Com already and obviously on this

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Speaker 1: show as well, talking about a lot of this draft stuff.

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Speaker 1: But in the latest in our second go round that

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Speaker 1: the Triple Takes, we've dug a little bit deeper into

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Speaker 1: the positions in addition to listing our top five and

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Speaker 1: any changes in that. So today I wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: about one that the Triple Take the posted late last week.

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Speaker 1: The wide receiver position. Yeah, because that's one spot the

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Speaker 1: Steelers haven't added anybody from the outside thus far in

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Speaker 1: free agency. They did resign Anthony Miller kind of qualifies right,

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Speaker 1: that was right away. They didn't really have him last year,

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Speaker 1: so I think they're looking at him as as somebody

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Speaker 1: think you know they're looking at you know, Calvin Austin

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Speaker 1: that same way. But I can see them adding a

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Speaker 1: wide receiver in this draft at some point. And you know,

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Speaker 1: it may not have the star power of some previous

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Speaker 1: drafts at the position, but it's pretty deep. It's pretty deep. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's one one player will get to that I think

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Speaker 1: stands alone, but he wouldn't always be the first pick

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Speaker 1: in the draft at his position year after year for

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Speaker 1: a year. No, you know, no matter what, there are

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Speaker 1: a lot of smaller guys in this receiver class, without question.

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Speaker 1: A couple of big dudes stand out. But the third

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Speaker 1: fourth round, I'm starting to warm up too for some

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Speaker 1: more stealer options than I originally thought. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: that way with every position, is it not. The deeper

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Speaker 1: we dig into this thing, it's like, oh, third fourth round,

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Speaker 1: that's that's there's some pretty good players there. Yeah. And

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Speaker 1: to be fair, I mean you and I are basically

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Speaker 1: scouting services of one. We haven't been going into Nebraska

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Speaker 1: and knowing about these guys. You know, we're learning a

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Speaker 1: lot more now than the first go round. You know,

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Speaker 1: so we're just more dedicated to the draft. So our

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Speaker 1: top five and I think those are pretty much the same,

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Speaker 1: maybe just switched around a little bit, because I do

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Speaker 1: think it's pretty chalky at the top. Where you have

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Speaker 1: you have for my top five as to our further review,

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Speaker 1: I have Za Flowers, Jordan Att five to one Zay Flowers,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, Jalen Hyatt, Quintin Johnson and Jackson Smith and Jigba.

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Speaker 1: You have Jalen Hyatt, Za Flowers, Jordan Addison, Quintin Johnson,

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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigma. So not a whole lot of

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're all the same three names. So it's

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Speaker 1: it's it's gonna depend on I think what you're looking for,

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Speaker 1: and I for example, I put Jalen High it a

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Speaker 1: saw Addison and Flowers more as slot only guys. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. High it's a little different

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Speaker 1: than most receivers in this class. You know, he's the

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Speaker 1: take the top off vertical dude. M one thing. I

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Speaker 1: mean these are after further review, But after further review,

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Speaker 1: I put Flowers over Addison. The more I've been thinking

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Speaker 1: about that. If I was sitting there at thirty two

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Speaker 1: and those two are on the board for the Steelers,

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Speaker 1: I would pick Flowers over Addison. I understand that. I

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Speaker 1: mean he's a thicker guy. Yeah, you know, even though

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Speaker 1: he's only he say, only one hundred and eighty two pounds,

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Speaker 1: but he's five nine, so he's a little vertically challenged.

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Speaker 1: But he's a thicker dude. I like him, um, you know,

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Speaker 1: matter of what you're looking for there. But again, I

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Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigba, who's both of our number ones,

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Speaker 1: lined up primarily in the slot of Ohio State. But

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Speaker 1: I don't I think that was more because it's almost

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Speaker 1: a Justin Jefferson argument to me. Yeah, yeah, Jefferson played

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Speaker 1: there's only one spot I can put him. No, I

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Speaker 1: mean I think that was you know, if you remember

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Speaker 1: one of the big questions, Well, he's only played the

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Speaker 1: think he's shown that he could play outside. I think

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Speaker 1: so I didn't run orally either. I mean I wonder

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Speaker 1: what were we all thinking, or all the draft knicks thinking,

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Speaker 1: thinking that he was only a slot. You know that

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Speaker 1: it's very very wrong. Yeah, let's talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the the other guys here a little bit later. Some

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Speaker 1: of the testers I mentioned, you know the article of

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Speaker 1: the guys that the Palmer, Darius Davis, Matt Landers. Palmer's

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Speaker 1: and then West Virginia's Bryce for Wheaton and Oklahoma's Marvin

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Speaker 1: Mims junior um, all guys that rans for three eight

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Speaker 1: But Bryce Ford Wheaton is a really big kid. I

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Speaker 1: up the combine as a big receiver slash tester. But

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Speaker 1: Some of the athletic guys, the you know, the the

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Speaker 1: if they didn't if the production wasn't there in college.

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Speaker 1: ran really good forties, but I also mentioned the three

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Speaker 1: cone like I might rather have a good three cone

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Speaker 1: a lot more indicative of what these receivers are asked

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Speaker 1: to do. Oh, there's no doubt about it. And Smith

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Speaker 1: and Jigba was ridiculous there with a six five seven

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Speaker 1: that's in the class by close, you like, by far

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Speaker 1: people to talk about, for example, well, Antonio Brown only

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Speaker 1: combine well, that was true. But if you look at

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Speaker 1: the three cone draw on these guys, the change of direction,

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Speaker 1: the ability to get in and out of cuts quickly

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Speaker 1: body control Smith. That's why I love Smith a Jigma

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Speaker 1: so much is some of these guys have the traits,

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Speaker 1: the talent to come in and out, you know, to

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Speaker 1: change directions extremely well, but can't translate it to the

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Speaker 1: field where he absolutely has unbelievable testing and he mixes

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Speaker 1: it with head fakes and lean in one way, you know,

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Speaker 1: all those in the nuances of route running in addition

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Speaker 1: to having the best toolbox of a change direction standpoint

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Speaker 1: of any receiver in this draft. Yeah, absolutely, so, you

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Speaker 1: know I think that, Yeah, that's the reason I have

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Speaker 1: him number one. I mean, I just think that's the

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Speaker 1: other guys, yeah right, a couple of some of the

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Speaker 1: guys that I also had also worked considering. I think

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Speaker 1: people are sleeping a little bit on Cedric Tillman. Me too.

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Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Yeah. I mean he's sixty

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Speaker 1: three two team pounds. He was the stud at Tennessee

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Speaker 1: before last season, yes, and then you know, and then

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Speaker 1: he had an ankle injury that basically it didn't kill

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Speaker 1: three touchdowns. Extrapolate that, you know, over the course of

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Speaker 1: pace for another thousand yards season, right. No, I think

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Speaker 1: next level, with physicality and some prototypical traits not as

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Speaker 1: small as some of these other guys and esbing slept

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Speaker 1: on a little bit. I think he'll go higher than

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Speaker 1: many might realize, you know, third round pick something like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Another guy I mentioned was old missus Jonathan Mingo. People

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Speaker 1: seem to be really warming up to him. Six two,

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Speaker 1: two hundred and twenty pounds. He ran a four four

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Speaker 1: half inch vertical. Now, as I mentioned with the he

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Speaker 1: he averaged fifteen point seven yards per catch, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of that stuff was we're gonna throw him the

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Speaker 1: ball to the line of scrimmage on a wide receiver screen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and nobody's gonna get him on the ground. It just

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Speaker 1: so happens. I'm you mentioned WI wide receiver screens. I'm

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Speaker 1: looking at a stat he averaged over twelve yards per

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Speaker 1: catch on wide receiver screen. I mean, that's insane, most

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Speaker 1: among anyone that had at least ten wide receiver catches,

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Speaker 1: you know, from a wide receiver screen catches number one. Basically,

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Speaker 1: he's a bigger version to me of Deebo Samuel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Debo's better after the catch. But yeah, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: he's I'm just saying in terms of physicality, Mingo is

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Speaker 1: a bigger guy than Deebo Samuel Yaller, but they're about

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Speaker 1: the same weight. But they're both really hard to get

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Speaker 1: some special teams capabilities in blocking, in blocking, right. I

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Speaker 1: think he's a big slot you know that, you know,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, well, Johnny Mingo, you look

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Speaker 1: like somebody walked across your grave. You covered by Ringo

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Speaker 1: would be the happiest too. If you draft Ringo and Mingos,

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Speaker 1: the fun is, it just never ends. The one on

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Speaker 1: one drills too great. They'll get pitt pitted against each

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