WEBVTT - How Cops Help Rich People Get Around Gun Laws 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:07.280 Garrison started talking about crimes, and so I was like, Okay, 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.239 I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off on president crime at all. 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.680 Act that's true. That's true. James said the word crimes, 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:15.760 and James is the one that brought up doing crimes. 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:18.239 I would never talk about doing crimes. Oh, welcome to 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:20.720 take it happen here. Yeah, if we never talk about 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:27.840 anything illegal. Um with us today is myself, Garrison, James Stout, 0:00:27.880 --> 0:00:31.320 and mea Wong. It's right we are talking about crimes today. Actually, 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.800 but we're not doing any crimes Chrishley, because we never would. Yeah, 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.960 like for for for example, Well, actually I don't I 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.960 don't know if it's technically illegal to to to talk 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:44.880 about jury nullification on air. I don't. I know. I 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:47.240 don't think they can stop you from saying the words. 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.120 I think they can. I think I think you you 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.239 don't have the rights to do it, but you have 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.800 the ability. I think is a way a lawyer explained 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:56.720 it to me. But they also said I'm not your 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.520 lawyer before that, So take that with a great assault. Yeah, yeah, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.760 you probably said you shouldn't be describing how to do 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:07.520 jury notification or googling it if that's in your future. 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:15.200 Stay tuned for our upcoming episode. Yeah your jury, Yeah, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:20.400 how to nullify your jury? That will be our final episode. Okay, 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.679 so now we're not talking about jury today. We are 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.680 talking about crime. The people doing the crime in this episode, 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:30.080 shockingly are the cops. So I want to start on 0:01:30.200 --> 0:01:33.559 October twenty eight, twenty sixteen. Some of you can probably 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:36.959 cast your mind back then, the last week of the 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:41.920 pre Trump era. Yeah yeah, So inside the captain's office 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:45.000 at the sheriff station in Rancho, San Diego, one of 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.720 the most expensive ZIP codes in the country, Captain Marco 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:52.280 Garmo was making a deal. Garmo, along with Giovanni Tilotta, 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:55.920 who's a licensed San Diego gun dealer, sold a glockhangun an, 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.600 a R fifteen Star rifle, and a Smith and Western 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:04.680 handgun to local defense attorney. Because inside Garmo's office, Garma 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.480 coordinated backdated paperwork to avoid the ten day waiting period 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:12.520 required by California law for handgun purchases and supplied Bajaj 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:21.399 with misappropriated San Diego Sheriff's Department issued ammunition. Oh fun, yeah, yeah, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.880 so's he's really thriving in his side hustle here, Marco Garmo. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.280 I've used the word misappropriated because that's what the DOJ used, 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:33.799 and guessing the more vernacular term will be stolen here. 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:37.680 I think I think he's so, what do you say issued? 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.400 Is this AMMO that like like was supposed to be 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:41.920 given to a coup or is this stuff they had 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.800 an impound? Uh No, I think it's supposed to be 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:48.360 given to a corpse. I think hell yeah, I think 0:02:48.440 --> 0:02:51.760 he's good. I think he's gone into the armory and 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.040 just grabbed a few boxes of AMMO and stole them. 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.399 Corps are just turned into the Afghan Army. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.160 the Ana. They've got the what's that guy who had 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:02.959 the like help he had their like night vision on 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:07.119 backwards or something that was that was the Taliban guy. Yeah. 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:11.079 Interestingly what they have and they compound me, it's another 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.160 story that maybe we should do another day. I also 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.840 p r rate that like the weapons that are impounded, 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:20.440 Jesus Christ. They have some shit like they have like 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:25.160 a full auto shotgun, like a bunch of NFA items 0:03:25.200 --> 0:03:28.160 and they keep them all for like lab testing in theory, 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:30.640 like so they can so they can be like, oh, well, 0:03:30.680 --> 0:03:32.960 this person was shot, what does that wound look like? Well, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:36.000 let's get our armory out from the fucking end shoots 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.320 and ballistics gel and see if that helps us. And 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.520 it's like that scene from two thousand and eight The 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:46.800 Dark Night where Christian Bale is Batman fires a ridiculously 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.640 loud gun in a seals bugger, absolutely destroying both his 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.880 and Alfred's hearing for the entire rest of the movie. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.320 That's why they make so many bad choices. Fascinating. Yeah, 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:00.480 I didn't know there was a character called Alfred in Batman. Yeah, 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.520 they really welshed him on the names, because like, Batman 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.960 is a cool name, the joker cool name. Do you 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:13.600 don't know who Alfred Petty? No one British character in 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:17.039 bead He is your culture. When people think of British people, 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:22.479 they think of Alfred J. Pennyworths, not a costume Garrison. Well, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.800 so I have a bad I have bad news. They 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:30.280 disgusted that this is the point of reference, not one 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:34.320 of our many wonderful modern British role models. Alfred's great. 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:37.680 I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, yeah, no, okay. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:39.800 He is a working class hero he was a he 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:44.880 was a wait A, Butler's our working class right? Oh God, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:53.440 discourse off very quick, I would say, pett. Yeah, it's 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.080 kind of complicated because you're like working directly for a 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:59.440 billionaire and you're living in the billionaire's house and you're 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.320 living a upper class life, but you still are working. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:06.039 It's kind of what is your relationship to the meda production? Though? Oh? 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.480 That this? Wow? Well, but it's all service, like I 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:09.560 don't know. I feel like we have to do a 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.239 divide here between because I think I think the gender 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.040 division of labor between Maide and Butler is very important. 0:05:15.680 --> 0:05:22.120 I love how we're devating how if Alfred is based. Yeah, yeah, 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.599 so you can find Garrison on Twitter, I write, okay, 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:32.160 so we made a paragraph too everywhere. In February twenty nineteen, 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.000 federal agents executed a search warrant at the Rancho of 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.440 San Diego Cherff station. Later that year, they arrested Captain 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:42.039 Marco Gamo. In twenty twenty one, Gama pleaded guilty to 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.600 trafficking over one hundred guns, which were deemed unsafe for civilians. 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:48.839 His sentence, I shouldn't say civilians because cops are also 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:54.320 civilians right, but non cops. His sentencing, the judge said 0:05:54.640 --> 0:05:59.760 Gama was almost becoming a mob boss of sorts. What 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.640 you want to strive for as a charis Captain. Garmo 0:06:03.720 --> 0:06:06.520 admitted to engaging in straw purchases, which is buying guns 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.800 with the intent of transferring them to someone else. He 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:12.040 also acknowledged tipping off an illegal marijuana dispensary that was 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:17.800 about to be searched in order based Nothing this guy 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.440 did is inherently wrong. It's the fact that he only 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:24.000 did it to certain people, and so that was his 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:28.239 cousin who earned a marijuana dispensury. He was also engaged 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:33.839 in illegal consulting with other dispensaries, which I don't bulliant. Yeah, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:36.960 I'm guessing his consulting emerged to being like, hey, the 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:39.719 cops are on their way tomorrow, maybe stop being a 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.839 dispensary by the time they arrive. Yeah, that seems like 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.880 a that that that that that that that seems like 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.400 a very classic the cops to take a cut kind 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:52.400 of insult. Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:54.920 of the things in this DJ thing are like really 0:06:54.960 --> 0:06:58.560 fantastically phrased. So Garmo and his code a friend and 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:03.559 wail Will Anton also helped paying clients skip the waiting 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:07.479 list for a difficult totain concealed carry permit. As part 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.960 of this scheme, Anton took a legal cash payment to 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.280 a county clerk who ensured favorable treatment for his clients. 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:16.400 Garmo might have flown a little too close to some 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.840 with this one, but it's not actually that unusual for 0:07:19.920 --> 0:07:23.360 gun laws to have carve outs for rich people. Often 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.280 those carve outs don't involve cops stealing AMMO, but it's 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.720 pretty easy if you're wealthy enough to work your way 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:32.040 around firearms legislation, which is kind of what I want 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.520 to get into today. So while Garmo did go to 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:39.720 jail for gun trafficking and multiple other crimes, he was doing. 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.400 The sale of so called offer us to firearms by 0:07:42.440 --> 0:07:46.360 law involvement officers in California's relatively common and there's not 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.280 much that's been done to prevent it since Garmo was arrested. 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.760 So to understand this, I think you have to understand 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:58.480 California is incredibly complicated firearms laws, which probably requires like 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.000 an undergraduate degree. But to give a brief summary, California 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:05.480 introduced its gun roster in two thousand and one, and 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:07.880 like many of our laws, it has its roots in 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:12.040 entrenching systemic inequalities. In this case, legislatives were trying to 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:15.480 ban something called a Saturday Night Special and people know what. 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:20.200 People know what that is. No, it's it's a small, concealable, 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:23.680 affordable handgun. Um, It's like there were there were this, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.000 there was this, these guns that came out in like 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.120 the eighties and nineties that were like super small, very cheap, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:36.360 very simple, very concealable, and shit, well that's the thing, right, 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:40.000 So this is really fascinating. So in practice, right, these 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.000 were at least culturally associated with like black communities, right 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:47.680 that that's you see them in sometimes like certainly like 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:50.240 there was a stigmatic reference to like a disease guns 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:52.240 that is causing violence. And we're not going to fucking 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.880 look at inequality at all, right, We're just going to 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:57.080 ban the guns. Are they shit? Is an interesting question 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:01.120 because California introduces legislation which that handguns have to be 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.360 dropped safe, so that means you can drop them and 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:06.520 they can't go off. That is generally a desirable feature, 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.479 and a handgun able to fire six hundred rounds without 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.520 more than six malfunctions and have a manual safety device. 0:09:14.720 --> 0:09:17.120 And later on they added another thing that would make 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.720 the gun only fire when it had a magazine inserted. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.560 And they put all these rules in place, and has 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:27.280 said manufacturers had to submit guns for testing. All the 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:31.280 guns they were going after pass the testing, So I 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:35.360 guess they're not as shit as one the one has suspected, 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:38.439 which is kind of like that that is the intent 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:41.480 they are laboring under that misapprehension, But it seems like 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:45.199 these guns, which are very cheap, actually pass the testing 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.800 just fine. So if you look at the California roster, 0:09:48.000 --> 0:09:50.560 so once those guns have passed that testing, right, they 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:55.200 go on a roster, and that roster like it's done 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:59.400 by skew, so like by the individual code that's given 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.080 to the gun. And you could look up the California roster. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:05.520 It's online still and like there are hundreds of cheap 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:08.960 small hand guns that are on it. So they've failed 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.880 in that regard. But they created this kind of bizarre 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:18.080 system where most manufacturers had to make a California compliant 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.440 model if they wanted selling California, right, because it had 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:24.240 to have a magazine disconnect, which means that the gun 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.079 won't fire without the magazine in, which is not a 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.000 usual thing for semi automatic handguns to have. Like if 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:32.240 you are outside of California and you have like a 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:34.840 normal a glock, for instance, it doesn't have that, but 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.360 you would need one that did in California. So that 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:39.840 means that these guns are going to have a much 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:41.599 much smaller economy of scale, right, they're going to be 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.959 more expensive. Manufacturers also have to pay for the testing 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:49.000 and submit three models. So what de facto means is 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.760 that fewer guns are available in California, But it doesn't 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.080 really become a big issue until twenty thirteen when the 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:59.240 DOJ in California add a micro stamping requirement. But they 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.920 added it earlier actually, but in twenty thirteen they certified 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:05.640 it was possible for mist But so is the roster 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:08.840 of the list of guns are allowed to buy? Yes, okay, 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.760 And if it doesn't appear on the roster, we're going 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:15.160 to get into that. You can actually buy it, but 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.520 you can't buy it new from a store, so you 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:21.720 can buy it used. And there are two ways that 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:24.880 these used handguns can enter the state. Right. One of 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.040 them is if you move to the state. So let's 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.760 say Garrison moves to LA right, and they bring with 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:37.880 horrifying Yeah, just enjoy it, just just like a Vulcan 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:42.760 mini gun. Yeah yeah. They bring with them an m 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:48.760 one Abrams tank. It's our balloon shooting gun. Yeah. Everyone 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:50.440 on the West coast has to have one now, and 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:53.600 so it's actually different for rifles, Seddi. But they bring 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:56.480 with them pistols, and those pistols are not on the 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.280 California roster. They can keep them and they can sell 0:11:59.360 --> 0:12:03.160 them right to a California resident. The other way that 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.559 these guns can enter and be sold is cops are 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.000 exempt from the roster, right, so yeah, boy, yeah, yeah 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:15.920 yeah yeah. And when I say cops, I am speaking 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:18.760 in the broadest possible turns because a variety of peace 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:22.880 officers are exempt, to include employees of the California State 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:30.040 Horse Racing Boards. Park rangers can do this, right. I 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:33.240 think it depends what you are within the park ranger, 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:37.960 within the park, and it seems to be that there 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.600 is actually a list that's in the legislation, but it 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.320 seems to be largely like at the discretion of the 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.200 gun shop. Like in practice, they could get in trouble. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.360 But like I've heard of like firefighters and EMT's being 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.760 able to purchase off roster guns, which is fucking not 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:56.640 in the legislation, Like it is also kind of funny, 0:12:56.840 --> 0:13:01.000 but like U, in theory, it would depend on what 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.080 unit you were in, or they could contact your like 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.920 park ranger office and be like, hey, this girl is 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:08.000 trying to buy a gun, Like does she use us 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.640 at work? Because the idea is that they would they 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:12.679 would have the most up to date weapons to carry 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.280 at work, right, or that they could buy themselves even 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.560 though they get issued guns. So like if you need 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.320 a gun as a cop, you get issued a gun, right. 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.920 So what it means in practice is that there's a 0:13:24.000 --> 0:13:28.079 thriving market and offer us to firearms, but there's also 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.000 massive price premium. Right. They often self for two or 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.320 three times there MSRP, even though they're used. And I 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:37.640 did a little digging into this, and I looked at 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.440 one particular item, which was a P three sixty five, 0:13:41.640 --> 0:13:44.360 AIG P three sixty five, which is a fairly like 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:50.240 a popular pistol. Right, But after twenty thirteen, California doesn't 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.959 didn't allow any new guns to be added to the 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.440 roster unless they micro stamp their bullets. Micro Stamping gets 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:59.040 a little feature where the firing pin of the gun 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.880 stamps the casing, not the bullet, with a little, kind 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:05.520 little tiny stamp which is unique to the gun, right, 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.600 or it stamps it with the serial number of the gun. 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:10.560 So in theory, this would allow you to pick up 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:13.679 the casings at a murder scene and be like, huh, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:15.480 well they were fired from this gun, and this gun 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:19.280 is right to this person. Therefore we got someone to 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:25.560 talk to you, right, pick up the casings. Yeah right, yeah, absolutely, 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.520 no ways around this, well, I mean absolutely immediately that 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.720 The one thing I've learned over the years is that 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.880 people are really lazy when they're doing crimes, and so 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:37.360 so true, so true. To be slightly less lazy and 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.320 get caught so you're really less that is that is 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.680 that is my biggest my biggest advice to the illegalists 0:14:43.840 --> 0:14:48.360 literally think five minutes before yeah yeah yeah. Also, don't 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:53.800 tweet your crimes. Yeah ever ever green statements. Yeah yeah, 0:14:53.840 --> 0:14:56.560 it's one of our mottoes here. You could also just 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.800 use a revolver, I guess, and it would inject the casings. 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:06.160 But because there are no guns in twenty thirteen. Right, 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.440 the DOJ says you are not allowed to add a 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:14.320 gun to the roster unless it micro stamps, and we've 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:18.160 decided that microstamping as possible. No firearms manufacturer will make 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:21.680 a gun that micro stamps because other states will require 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.840 all guns to micro stamps once set technology is available. 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.000 So they just don't built it. So they just don't 0:15:28.040 --> 0:15:31.920 do it. Yeah, it is, and it's very funny. It's 0:15:31.960 --> 0:15:34.600 like the car companies just being like, fucking, you know 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:36.920 what if we put airbags in that bad boy, They're 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:38.800 going to make us put airbags in all the cars. 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:41.160 You know. This is the thing that I've run into 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.920 a lot. I think it's really interesting, which is like, Okay, 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:49.800 the specific combination of regulatory state and corporations being required 0:15:49.800 --> 0:15:51.560 to do a thing gives you a bunch of really 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.680 really weird like outcomes that are like not what you 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.560 would expect when you're writing the legislation, which makes them ineffective. 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.480 Like I mean, like the most famous one is like 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:01.320 the Clean Air Act actually worse than to air quality 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.320 for a huge amount of time because they put in 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:06.200 this exception for like existing coal facilities under the assumption 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:08.680 that people would just like you know, build new coal 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:12.040 facilities and thus be like and thus like have better 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.840 like create that cleaner technology, and no one just no 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.120 one ever did. They just left these old coal facilities 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.560 running or the other one. Like everyone always talks about 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.160 those like those fucking like why why the giant SUVs 0:16:21.200 --> 0:16:24.320 keep getting bigger? And the reason for that is actually, 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:26.600 I mean it kind of is sort of fascist psychosis, 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.320 but like the actual reason for that is Obama era 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:31.840 pollution controls on cars, right, had to have these fuel 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:35.040 emission standards, But the larger your car is like the 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:37.200 worst fuel emission standards are. So they keep so okay 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:38.720 in order to get around the fuel mission things, they 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:41.560 just keep making cars make it bigger. Amazing. Yeah, And 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:43.560 this shit just like I don't know, this is this 0:16:43.600 --> 0:16:46.320 is I think a pretty good argument against like against 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:49.240 a sort of regulatory state being able to contain like 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.720 capitalism doing horror bloifying shit. Is like every single time 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.600 someone tries to make it air pollution thing, it just 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.960 makes it worse. Yeah, they just create perverse incentives to 0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:01.520 do something which is like just stupid and polluting as 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:03.920 opposed to Yeah, or they just don't comply. It was 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.760 the microcy thing you're just like no like, yeah, simply 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:13.360 wrote the specific interaction of like people who elevate themselves 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.439 who make it to the California legislature on one hand 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:19.720 and gun companies on the other hand, just leads to 0:17:19.760 --> 0:17:23.960 this complete intransigence, where like anytime a Laura is written, 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:26.520 it is like someone has found an end run or 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:31.399 a loophole before it comes into practice. Do you know 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:35.720 what won't illegally smuggle illegally smuggle guns into California install 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.560 them for two to three times a retail price? Mere? 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.320 Is it? All the firms that are doing child trafficking? 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:55.720 And that's right, the Washington State Highway Patrol. We're back 0:17:56.480 --> 0:18:01.159 and we're talking about cops selling guns for a lot 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:05.639 of money in southern California. So big Marco Garma wasn't 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.760 the only cop who surres a life of crime. As 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:19.159 it turns out, yeah, yeah, shockingly enough, this practice is 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.440 pretty common. So a Guardina police officer in twenty twenty 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.920 one was also convicted of making forty one illegal offer 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.600 us to sales in a year, and at least six 0:18:29.800 --> 0:18:32.320 LA officers have been found to be engaged in legal 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:35.840 firearms transfers according to twenty twenty one LA Times investigation, 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.240 so that that's eight in a single year if you're 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:41.760 keeping track. And it's pretty common to see people like 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.440 posting about this, like like if you go on to 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.119 like the California Guns for them, where people will be 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.600 like where they sell guns right where they don't. You 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.560 don't actually sell the guns on the internet. That's illegal, 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:54.199 but people will post it and then they meet me 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:56.080 at this gun dealer and we'll do the background check, 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.280 and you'll see people being like, oh, like m l O, 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.320 I have a friend who Elio and like happened to 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:03.840 be selling this gun new in package. I bought it 0:19:03.920 --> 0:19:06.320 to carry it on patrol, but I decided I didn't 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:11.480 like it. You know, Like that's the theoretical connad here, right, 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.879 Oh god, Okay. The thing this reminds me of specifically 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:17.280 is is a very very weird use case of like 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.400 people will magice the gathering tournaments where you're not legally 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.760 allowed to both draw and split the prize money. So 0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:25.920 you have to say this incredibly complicated series of sentences 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.200 where you're like, I want to draw, and then new conversation, 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.720 can we split the prize money? It's like I have 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:33.840 to I have to like say this exact series of 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.640 words in order to make it's clear that I'm not 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.600 doing exactly what I'm doing and breaking the law. Yeah, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:41.920 this is how the law works, right, Like it always 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.320 ends up being some kind of like totalistic magic incantation 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:47.880 that you can say, and then the thing that they're 0:19:47.880 --> 0:19:50.440 trying to fucking stop obviously no longer applies to you, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:53.840 and you can do what you want. Like it's incredibly assinine. 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.359 So in mid twenty twenty one, I tried to I 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.399 wanted to get a sense, right and when I was 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:02.399 doing this of how many of these offer us to 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.239 guns there are in California, to get a sense of 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.520 like exactly how much of a fass the attempt to 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:12.040 create this roster has been. So I've been going after 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:13.359 this for a while. But in the middle of twenty 0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.200 twenty one, there was an Assembly bill pass called Assembly 0:20:16.240 --> 0:20:20.119 Bill two six nine nine if you're interested, and the 0:20:20.200 --> 0:20:23.119 bill required the Department of Justice to send a letter 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.920 to owners off offer rouster weapons, which California officially calls 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:31.680 unsafe handguns, to remind the people who own them other 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:34.800 laws surrounding them, and to whom they could transfer them right. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.200 I first became aware of this letter because someone decided 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.720 to post it online, and that kind of gave me 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:44.720 an opening where because I can't pira the names of 0:20:44.760 --> 0:20:46.760 the people who own the guns right or even where 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.320 they live, because obviously that's protect information and it probably 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.480 should be. And I don't think that in inforation is 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:55.640 even nicteally stored by the state. But I can pira 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:59.119 the letters say sent out, So pira is a public 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:01.879 records that require it's what people might know as of Foyer. 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.240 And so I did that, and it took me more 0:21:05.240 --> 0:21:07.080 than a year, and it cost me more than a 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:10.320 hundred bucks, But eventually I managed to get the doj 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:14.239 to to send me the information which showed that at 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.280 least at the time I got it, which is the 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:19.240 middle of twenty twenty one, four thousand and five hundred 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:23.679 and ten firearms have been obtained by the subsection of 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.040 the law that allows exemptions for police officers. There were 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:29.920 some other exemptions for like antique collectible firearms as well, 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:31.919 so it's not clear that all of those were cops. 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:34.840 They also noted that it had sent two hundred and 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:38.719 thirteen thousand, eight hundred and four notices to the owners 0:21:38.760 --> 0:21:42.919 of off rouster weapons. Which, yeah, it suggests that, like 0:21:43.080 --> 0:21:47.720 if we think of that, the roster became a serious 0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:51.760 issue in twenty thirteen, right, so that suggested about ten thousand, 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:56.359 ten thousand weapons a year since the roster began in 0:21:56.400 --> 0:21:58.639 two thousand and one have entered the state that I 0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:02.920 offer ruster, which kind of kind of makes the point 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.240 that it's it's a rather fastical attempt at gun control, right, 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:11.560 but it still is that the roster, which I don't 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.960 think you're fine, right, you can you can buy a 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:18.159 very effective gun in California, as we have seen, they're 0:22:18.240 --> 0:22:21.280 very effective at killing people. But it does kind of 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:23.679 make it a joke that if you have enough money 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:27.600 or a friend who's a cop, then this doesn't apply 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:31.119 to you. Right then you're over two hundred thousand of 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.320 these guns which are supposed to be like banned in circulation, 0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.560 as long as you're wealthy enough to buy them. I 0:22:36.680 --> 0:22:38.600 tried also to p r A if any of these 0:22:38.640 --> 0:22:42.000 guns have been involved in crime or murder, and they 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:46.760 would tell me that. And what it's always worth pointing 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.760 out that like the cops themselves are issued guns which 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:52.399