1 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Garrison started talking about crimes, and so I was like, Okay, 2 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off on president crime at all. 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Act that's true. That's true. James said the word crimes, 4 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: and James is the one that brought up doing crimes. 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: I would never talk about doing crimes. Oh, welcome to 6 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: take it happen here. Yeah, if we never talk about 7 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: anything illegal. Um with us today is myself, Garrison, James Stout, 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: and mea Wong. It's right we are talking about crimes today. Actually, 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 1: but we're not doing any crimes Chrishley, because we never would. Yeah, 10 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: like for for for example, Well, actually I don't I 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 1: don't know if it's technically illegal to to to talk 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: about jury nullification on air. I don't. I know. I 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: don't think they can stop you from saying the words. 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I think they can. I think I think you you 15 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: don't have the rights to do it, but you have 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: the ability. I think is a way a lawyer explained 17 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: it to me. But they also said I'm not your 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: lawyer before that, So take that with a great assault. Yeah, yeah, 19 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: you probably said you shouldn't be describing how to do 20 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: jury notification or googling it if that's in your future. 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: Stay tuned for our upcoming episode. Yeah your jury, Yeah, 22 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: how to nullify your jury? That will be our final episode. Okay, 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: so now we're not talking about jury today. We are 24 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: talking about crime. The people doing the crime in this episode, 25 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: shockingly are the cops. So I want to start on 26 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: October twenty eight, twenty sixteen. Some of you can probably 27 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: cast your mind back then, the last week of the 28 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: pre Trump era. Yeah yeah, So inside the captain's office 29 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 1: at the sheriff station in Rancho, San Diego, one of 30 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: the most expensive ZIP codes in the country, Captain Marco 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Garmo was making a deal. Garmo, along with Giovanni Tilotta, 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: who's a licensed San Diego gun dealer, sold a glockhangun an, 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: a R fifteen Star rifle, and a Smith and Western 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: handgun to local defense attorney. Because inside Garmo's office, Garma 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: coordinated backdated paperwork to avoid the ten day waiting period 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: required by California law for handgun purchases and supplied Bajaj 37 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: with misappropriated San Diego Sheriff's Department issued ammunition. Oh fun, yeah, yeah, 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: so's he's really thriving in his side hustle here, Marco Garmo. 39 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: I've used the word misappropriated because that's what the DOJ used, 40 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: and guessing the more vernacular term will be stolen here. 41 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: I think I think he's so, what do you say issued? 42 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: Is this AMMO that like like was supposed to be 43 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: given to a coup or is this stuff they had 44 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: an impound? Uh No, I think it's supposed to be 45 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: given to a corpse. I think hell yeah, I think 46 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: he's good. I think he's gone into the armory and 47 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: just grabbed a few boxes of AMMO and stole them. 48 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,399 Speaker 1: Corps are just turned into the Afghan Army. It's amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 49 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: the Ana. They've got the what's that guy who had 50 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: the like help he had their like night vision on 51 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:07,119 Speaker 1: backwards or something that was that was the Taliban guy. Yeah. 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: Interestingly what they have and they compound me, it's another 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: story that maybe we should do another day. I also 54 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: p r rate that like the weapons that are impounded, 55 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. They have some shit like they have like 56 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: a full auto shotgun, like a bunch of NFA items 57 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: and they keep them all for like lab testing in theory, 58 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: like so they can so they can be like, oh, well, 59 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: this person was shot, what does that wound look like? Well, 60 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: let's get our armory out from the fucking end shoots 61 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: and ballistics gel and see if that helps us. And 62 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: it's like that scene from two thousand and eight The 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: Dark Night where Christian Bale is Batman fires a ridiculously 64 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: loud gun in a seals bugger, absolutely destroying both his 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: and Alfred's hearing for the entire rest of the movie. 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: That's why they make so many bad choices. Fascinating. Yeah, 67 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a character called Alfred in Batman. Yeah, 68 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: they really welshed him on the names, because like, Batman 69 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: is a cool name, the joker cool name. Do you 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: don't know who Alfred Petty? No one British character in 71 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,039 Speaker 1: bead He is your culture. When people think of British people, 72 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: they think of Alfred J. Pennyworths, not a costume Garrison. Well, 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: so I have a bad I have bad news. They 74 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 1: disgusted that this is the point of reference, not one 75 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: of our many wonderful modern British role models. Alfred's great. 76 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about. Okay, yeah, no, okay. 77 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: He is a working class hero he was a he 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: was a wait A, Butler's our working class right? Oh God, 79 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:53,440 Speaker 1: discourse off very quick, I would say, pett. Yeah, it's 80 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: kind of complicated because you're like working directly for a 81 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: billionaire and you're living in the billionaire's house and you're 82 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: living a upper class life, but you still are working. 83 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 1: It's kind of what is your relationship to the meda production? Though? Oh? 84 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: That this? Wow? Well, but it's all service, like I 85 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like we have to do a 86 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: divide here between because I think I think the gender 87 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: division of labor between Maide and Butler is very important. 88 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: I love how we're devating how if Alfred is based. Yeah, yeah, 89 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: so you can find Garrison on Twitter, I write, okay, 90 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: so we made a paragraph too everywhere. In February twenty nineteen, 91 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: federal agents executed a search warrant at the Rancho of 92 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: San Diego Cherff station. Later that year, they arrested Captain 93 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: Marco Gamo. In twenty twenty one, Gama pleaded guilty to 94 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: trafficking over one hundred guns, which were deemed unsafe for civilians. 95 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: His sentence, I shouldn't say civilians because cops are also 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: civilians right, but non cops. His sentencing, the judge said 97 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Gama was almost becoming a mob boss of sorts. What 98 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: you want to strive for as a charis Captain. Garmo 99 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: admitted to engaging in straw purchases, which is buying guns 100 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: with the intent of transferring them to someone else. He 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: also acknowledged tipping off an illegal marijuana dispensary that was 102 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: about to be searched in order based Nothing this guy 103 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: did is inherently wrong. It's the fact that he only 104 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: did it to certain people, and so that was his 105 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: cousin who earned a marijuana dispensury. He was also engaged 106 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: in illegal consulting with other dispensaries, which I don't bulliant. Yeah, 107 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm guessing his consulting emerged to being like, hey, the 108 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 1: cops are on their way tomorrow, maybe stop being a 109 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: dispensary by the time they arrive. Yeah, that seems like 110 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: a that that that that that that that seems like 111 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: a very classic the cops to take a cut kind 112 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: of insult. Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot 113 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: of the things in this DJ thing are like really 114 00:06:54,960 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: fantastically phrased. So Garmo and his code a friend and 115 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: wail Will Anton also helped paying clients skip the waiting 116 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 1: list for a difficult totain concealed carry permit. As part 117 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: of this scheme, Anton took a legal cash payment to 118 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: a county clerk who ensured favorable treatment for his clients. 119 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: Garmo might have flown a little too close to some 120 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: with this one, but it's not actually that unusual for 121 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: gun laws to have carve outs for rich people. Often 122 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: those carve outs don't involve cops stealing AMMO, but it's 123 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 1: pretty easy if you're wealthy enough to work your way 124 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: around firearms legislation, which is kind of what I want 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: to get into today. So while Garmo did go to 126 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: jail for gun trafficking and multiple other crimes, he was doing. 127 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: The sale of so called offer us to firearms by 128 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: law involvement officers in California's relatively common and there's not 129 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: much that's been done to prevent it since Garmo was arrested. 130 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: So to understand this, I think you have to understand 131 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: California is incredibly complicated firearms laws, which probably requires like 132 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: an undergraduate degree. But to give a brief summary, California 133 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: introduced its gun roster in two thousand and one, and 134 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 1: like many of our laws, it has its roots in 135 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 1: entrenching systemic inequalities. In this case, legislatives were trying to 136 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: ban something called a Saturday Night Special and people know what. 137 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: People know what that is. No, it's it's a small, concealable, 138 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: affordable handgun. Um, It's like there were there were this, 139 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: there was this, these guns that came out in like 140 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties that were like super small, very cheap, 141 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: very simple, very concealable, and shit, well that's the thing, right, 142 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: So this is really fascinating. So in practice, right, these 143 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: were at least culturally associated with like black communities, right 144 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: that that's you see them in sometimes like certainly like 145 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: there was a stigmatic reference to like a disease guns 146 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: that is causing violence. And we're not going to fucking 147 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: look at inequality at all, right, We're just going to 148 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: ban the guns. Are they shit? Is an interesting question 149 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: because California introduces legislation which that handguns have to be 150 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: dropped safe, so that means you can drop them and 151 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: they can't go off. That is generally a desirable feature, 152 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,479 Speaker 1: and a handgun able to fire six hundred rounds without 153 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: more than six malfunctions and have a manual safety device. 154 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: And later on they added another thing that would make 155 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: the gun only fire when it had a magazine inserted. 156 00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: And they put all these rules in place, and has 157 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: said manufacturers had to submit guns for testing. All the 158 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: guns they were going after pass the testing, So I 159 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: guess they're not as shit as one the one has suspected, 160 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: which is kind of like that that is the intent 161 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: they are laboring under that misapprehension, But it seems like 162 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,199 Speaker 1: these guns, which are very cheap, actually pass the testing 163 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 1: just fine. So if you look at the California roster, 164 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 1: so once those guns have passed that testing, right, they 165 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: go on a roster, and that roster like it's done 166 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: by skew, so like by the individual code that's given 167 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: to the gun. And you could look up the California roster. 168 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: It's online still and like there are hundreds of cheap 169 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: small hand guns that are on it. So they've failed 170 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: in that regard. But they created this kind of bizarre 171 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 1: system where most manufacturers had to make a California compliant 172 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 1: model if they wanted selling California, right, because it had 173 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: to have a magazine disconnect, which means that the gun 174 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: won't fire without the magazine in, which is not a 175 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: usual thing for semi automatic handguns to have. Like if 176 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: you are outside of California and you have like a 177 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: normal a glock, for instance, it doesn't have that, but 178 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: you would need one that did in California. So that 179 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: means that these guns are going to have a much 180 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,599 Speaker 1: much smaller economy of scale, right, they're going to be 181 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: more expensive. Manufacturers also have to pay for the testing 182 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: and submit three models. So what de facto means is 183 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: that fewer guns are available in California, But it doesn't 184 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: really become a big issue until twenty thirteen when the 185 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: DOJ in California add a micro stamping requirement. But they 186 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: added it earlier actually, but in twenty thirteen they certified 187 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: it was possible for mist But so is the roster 188 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: of the list of guns are allowed to buy? Yes, okay, 189 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: And if it doesn't appear on the roster, we're going 190 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: to get into that. You can actually buy it, but 191 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: you can't buy it new from a store, so you 192 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 1: can buy it used. And there are two ways that 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: these used handguns can enter the state. Right. One of 194 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: them is if you move to the state. So let's 195 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 1: say Garrison moves to LA right, and they bring with 196 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: horrifying Yeah, just enjoy it, just just like a Vulcan 197 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: mini gun. Yeah yeah. They bring with them an m 198 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: one Abrams tank. It's our balloon shooting gun. Yeah. Everyone 199 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: on the West coast has to have one now, and 200 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 1: so it's actually different for rifles, Seddi. But they bring 201 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: with them pistols, and those pistols are not on the 202 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: California roster. They can keep them and they can sell 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: them right to a California resident. The other way that 204 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 1: these guns can enter and be sold is cops are 205 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: exempt from the roster, right, so yeah, boy, yeah, yeah 206 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And when I say cops, I am speaking 207 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: in the broadest possible turns because a variety of peace 208 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: officers are exempt, to include employees of the California State 209 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: Horse Racing Boards. Park rangers can do this, right. I 210 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: think it depends what you are within the park ranger, 211 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: within the park, and it seems to be that there 212 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: is actually a list that's in the legislation, but it 213 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: seems to be largely like at the discretion of the 214 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: gun shop. Like in practice, they could get in trouble. 215 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 1: But like I've heard of like firefighters and EMT's being 216 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: able to purchase off roster guns, which is fucking not 217 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: in the legislation, Like it is also kind of funny, 218 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: but like U, in theory, it would depend on what 219 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: unit you were in, or they could contact your like 220 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: park ranger office and be like, hey, this girl is 221 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: trying to buy a gun, Like does she use us 222 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: at work? Because the idea is that they would they 223 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: would have the most up to date weapons to carry 224 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: at work, right, or that they could buy themselves even 225 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: though they get issued guns. So like if you need 226 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: a gun as a cop, you get issued a gun, right. 227 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: So what it means in practice is that there's a 228 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 1: thriving market and offer us to firearms, but there's also 229 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: massive price premium. Right. They often self for two or 230 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: three times there MSRP, even though they're used. And I 231 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 1: did a little digging into this, and I looked at 232 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 1: one particular item, which was a P three sixty five, 233 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: AIG P three sixty five, which is a fairly like 234 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: a popular pistol. Right, But after twenty thirteen, California doesn't 235 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,959 Speaker 1: didn't allow any new guns to be added to the 236 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: roster unless they micro stamp their bullets. Micro Stamping gets 237 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: a little feature where the firing pin of the gun 238 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: stamps the casing, not the bullet, with a little, kind 239 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: little tiny stamp which is unique to the gun, right, 240 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: or it stamps it with the serial number of the gun. 241 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: So in theory, this would allow you to pick up 242 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: the casings at a murder scene and be like, huh, 243 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: well they were fired from this gun, and this gun 244 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: is right to this person. Therefore we got someone to 245 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: talk to you, right, pick up the casings. Yeah right, yeah, absolutely, 246 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: no ways around this, well, I mean absolutely immediately that 247 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: The one thing I've learned over the years is that 248 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: people are really lazy when they're doing crimes, and so 249 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: so true, so true. To be slightly less lazy and 250 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: get caught so you're really less that is that is 251 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: that is my biggest my biggest advice to the illegalists 252 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: literally think five minutes before yeah yeah yeah. Also, don't 253 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: tweet your crimes. Yeah ever ever green statements. Yeah yeah, 254 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: it's one of our mottoes here. You could also just 255 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: use a revolver, I guess, and it would inject the casings. 256 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: But because there are no guns in twenty thirteen. Right, 257 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: the DOJ says you are not allowed to add a 258 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:14,320 Speaker 1: gun to the roster unless it micro stamps, and we've 259 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: decided that microstamping as possible. No firearms manufacturer will make 260 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 1: a gun that micro stamps because other states will require 261 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: all guns to micro stamps once set technology is available. 262 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: So they just don't built it. So they just don't 263 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, it is, and it's very funny. It's 264 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: like the car companies just being like, fucking, you know 265 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: what if we put airbags in that bad boy, They're 266 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: going to make us put airbags in all the cars. 267 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: You know. This is the thing that I've run into 268 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: a lot. I think it's really interesting, which is like, Okay, 269 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: the specific combination of regulatory state and corporations being required 270 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 1: to do a thing gives you a bunch of really 271 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: really weird like outcomes that are like not what you 272 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: would expect when you're writing the legislation, which makes them ineffective. 273 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 1: Like I mean, like the most famous one is like 274 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: the Clean Air Act actually worse than to air quality 275 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: for a huge amount of time because they put in 276 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: this exception for like existing coal facilities under the assumption 277 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: that people would just like you know, build new coal 278 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: facilities and thus be like and thus like have better 279 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: like create that cleaner technology, and no one just no 280 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: one ever did. They just left these old coal facilities 281 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: running or the other one. Like everyone always talks about 282 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: those like those fucking like why why the giant SUVs 283 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: keep getting bigger? And the reason for that is actually, 284 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of is sort of fascist psychosis, 285 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: but like the actual reason for that is Obama era 286 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: pollution controls on cars, right, had to have these fuel 287 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: emission standards, But the larger your car is like the 288 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: worst fuel emission standards are. So they keep so okay 289 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: in order to get around the fuel mission things, they 290 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: just keep making cars make it bigger. Amazing. Yeah, And 291 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: this shit just like I don't know, this is this 292 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: is I think a pretty good argument against like against 293 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: a sort of regulatory state being able to contain like 294 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: capitalism doing horror bloifying shit. Is like every single time 295 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: someone tries to make it air pollution thing, it just 296 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: makes it worse. Yeah, they just create perverse incentives to 297 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: do something which is like just stupid and polluting as 298 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: opposed to Yeah, or they just don't comply. It was 299 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: the microcy thing you're just like no like, yeah, simply 300 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 1: wrote the specific interaction of like people who elevate themselves 301 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: who make it to the California legislature on one hand 302 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and gun companies on the other hand, just leads to 303 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: this complete intransigence, where like anytime a Laura is written, 304 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: it is like someone has found an end run or 305 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: a loophole before it comes into practice. Do you know 306 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: what won't illegally smuggle illegally smuggle guns into California install 307 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 1: them for two to three times a retail price? Mere? 308 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: Is it? All the firms that are doing child trafficking? 309 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: And that's right, the Washington State Highway Patrol. We're back 310 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: and we're talking about cops selling guns for a lot 311 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: of money in southern California. So big Marco Garma wasn't 312 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: the only cop who surres a life of crime. As 313 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: it turns out, yeah, yeah, shockingly enough, this practice is 314 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: pretty common. So a Guardina police officer in twenty twenty 315 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: one was also convicted of making forty one illegal offer 316 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: us to sales in a year, and at least six 317 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: LA officers have been found to be engaged in legal 318 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: firearms transfers according to twenty twenty one LA Times investigation, 319 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: so that that's eight in a single year if you're 320 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: keeping track. And it's pretty common to see people like 321 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: posting about this, like like if you go on to 322 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: like the California Guns for them, where people will be 323 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: like where they sell guns right where they don't. You 324 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: don't actually sell the guns on the internet. That's illegal, 325 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 1: but people will post it and then they meet me 326 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: at this gun dealer and we'll do the background check, 327 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: and you'll see people being like, oh, like m l O, 328 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: I have a friend who Elio and like happened to 329 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: be selling this gun new in package. I bought it 330 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: to carry it on patrol, but I decided I didn't 331 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: like it. You know, Like that's the theoretical connad here, right, 332 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 1: Oh god, Okay. The thing this reminds me of specifically 333 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: is is a very very weird use case of like 334 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: people will magice the gathering tournaments where you're not legally 335 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: allowed to both draw and split the prize money. So 336 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: you have to say this incredibly complicated series of sentences 337 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 1: where you're like, I want to draw, and then new conversation, 338 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: can we split the prize money? It's like I have 339 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 1: to I have to like say this exact series of 340 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 1: words in order to make it's clear that I'm not 341 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 1: doing exactly what I'm doing and breaking the law. Yeah, 342 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: this is how the law works, right, Like it always 343 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:45,320 Speaker 1: ends up being some kind of like totalistic magic incantation 344 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 1: that you can say, and then the thing that they're 345 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: trying to fucking stop obviously no longer applies to you, 346 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: and you can do what you want. Like it's incredibly assinine. 347 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: So in mid twenty twenty one, I tried to I 348 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: wanted to get a sense, right and when I was 349 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 1: doing this of how many of these offer us to 350 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,239 Speaker 1: guns there are in California, to get a sense of 351 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: like exactly how much of a fass the attempt to 352 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: create this roster has been. So I've been going after 353 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: this for a while. But in the middle of twenty 354 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: twenty one, there was an Assembly bill pass called Assembly 355 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: Bill two six nine nine if you're interested, and the 356 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: bill required the Department of Justice to send a letter 357 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: to owners off offer rouster weapons, which California officially calls 358 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: unsafe handguns, to remind the people who own them other 359 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: laws surrounding them, and to whom they could transfer them right. 360 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: I first became aware of this letter because someone decided 361 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: to post it online, and that kind of gave me 362 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: an opening where because I can't pira the names of 363 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 1: the people who own the guns right or even where 364 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: they live, because obviously that's protect information and it probably 365 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: should be. And I don't think that in inforation is 366 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: even nicteally stored by the state. But I can pira 367 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 1: the letters say sent out, So pira is a public 368 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: records that require it's what people might know as of Foyer. 369 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: And so I did that, and it took me more 370 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: than a year, and it cost me more than a 371 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: hundred bucks, But eventually I managed to get the doj 372 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 1: to to send me the information which showed that at 373 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: least at the time I got it, which is the 374 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: middle of twenty twenty one, four thousand and five hundred 375 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: and ten firearms have been obtained by the subsection of 376 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: the law that allows exemptions for police officers. There were 377 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: some other exemptions for like antique collectible firearms as well, 378 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: so it's not clear that all of those were cops. 379 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: They also noted that it had sent two hundred and 380 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,719 Speaker 1: thirteen thousand, eight hundred and four notices to the owners 381 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: of off rouster weapons. Which, yeah, it suggests that, like 382 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: if we think of that, the roster became a serious 383 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: issue in twenty thirteen, right, so that suggested about ten thousand, 384 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 1: ten thousand weapons a year since the roster began in 385 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,639 Speaker 1: two thousand and one have entered the state that I 386 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: offer ruster, which kind of kind of makes the point 387 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: that it's it's a rather fastical attempt at gun control, right, 388 00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: but it still is that the roster, which I don't 389 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 1: think you're fine, right, you can you can buy a 390 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,159 Speaker 1: very effective gun in California, as we have seen, they're 391 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: very effective at killing people. But it does kind of 392 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: make it a joke that if you have enough money 393 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: or a friend who's a cop, then this doesn't apply 394 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: to you. Right then you're over two hundred thousand of 395 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: these guns which are supposed to be like banned in circulation, 396 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: as long as you're wealthy enough to buy them. I 397 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: tried also to p r A if any of these 398 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: guns have been involved in crime or murder, and they 399 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: would tell me that. And what it's always worth pointing 400 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,760 Speaker 1: out that like the cops themselves are issued guns which 401 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: are illegal for civilians to purchase, right, or it's not 402 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: possible for them to purchase them new I should say 403 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 1: that offer Ruster guns are issued to the cops, right. So, 404 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,719 Speaker 1: by definition, some of these guns have been used in 405 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: the accidental shooting of bystanders, shooting of officers by themselves, 406 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 1: and shooting of officers by other officers that have occurred 407 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: in California since the ROSTA began, and so the sort 408 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: of by definition of us to gun to kill some people. 409 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: So this isn't actually the only way that being wealthy 410 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: can get you around gun laws. And I want to 411 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,680 Speaker 1: go a little further east for my next example. Then 412 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: I want to go in factor to a little town 413 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:28,239 Speaker 1: called Lake Arthur in New Mexico. Any if you are 414 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: you guys familiar with this part of the world. Not well, 415 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: not that I lived in New Mexico very very briefly 416 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: when I was a small child, but not there. So, 417 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: so I've been using Google street View. That's my my dive. 418 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: It appears to be the back arshile of nowhere, and 419 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: in Let Arthur they have one cop who it turns 420 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: out was a volunteer and was being paid a dollar 421 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: a year. Ah ha. Yeah, So this is this is 422 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: where the problem starts. This guy is called Lilliam Norwood. 423 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 1: And I'll issue a spoiler here that William Norwood is 424 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 1: no longer a cop norders the Department exist and that's 425 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 1: because Norwood was running a scam that took advantage of 426 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: something called LIOSA. LIOSA is a Law Enforcement Officers Safety 427 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: Act and what the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act does 428 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 1: is allow cops from any state in the Union to 429 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: conceal carry a gun in every state in the Union. 430 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 1: So this was a big deal. Yeah, I think you 431 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 1: might be abotuly what this is going. This is a 432 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: big deal before the Supreme Court Brewined decision. Right, the 433 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 1: Brewin decision was the one that significantly reduced the impediments 434 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: in between you and getting a concealed carry weapons permit. 435 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: I didn't totally remove them, and it didn't make it 436 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: any less expensive. And California seems to be going about 437 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 1: trying to make it even more expensive, which is bullshit, 438 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: Like everyone should have the same right, regardless of how 439 00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: wealthy they are. But if you were covered by LEOSA right, 440 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: if you're a law enforcement officer, you could conceal carrie anywhere. 441 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: So this is very desirable for some people. One of 442 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: those people is Robert Mercer. Do you guys remember Robert Mercer? No? 443 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: I do not. Okay, So Murcer is a big time 444 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 1: Donald Trump appreciated. Oh yeah, he's that like super rich guy. Yeah, 445 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the bright Bart guy, the Cambridge Analytica guy. Yeah, okay, yeah. 446 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: So this guy is rolling in it, and he he was. 447 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,840 Speaker 1: He actually hosted like a like success party soon after 448 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election. This this guy is definitely pivotal to 449 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: the whole Trump scene, right, like like his his bank 450 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: rolling a bright Bart, cambrin Elytica. He As it turns out, 451 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 1: it's also a cop in this little New Mexico town, 452 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 1: which is kind of weird, right, especially when you consider 453 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: that one hundred and fifty other people are also cops 454 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: in this New Mexico one of these Yeah. Yeah, that's 455 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: one cop for every two point nine residents. Jesus. Yeah. 456 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: And it turns out they're probably not doing much copying, 457 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 1: but they are doing at least a certain amount of volunteering. 458 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: It's actually unclear how much. So the Lake Arthur Treasurer 459 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: with Bloomberg did some prays around this, and it turns 460 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: out that Mercer was what's called an honorary member of 461 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: the police department, but there are no records to indicate 462 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: they actually did any policing. But nonetheless, he took advantage 463 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: of Leosa right and thus carried in all fifty states. 464 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 1: So these jurisdictions, there are several of them. Another famous 465 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 1: person who's taken advantage of this is a friend of 466 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: the podcast, Stephen Seagal. Oh Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Stephen Siagar, 467 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: who apparently has been a volunteer cop for a very 468 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: long time and like actually was doing some copping according 469 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 1: to a reality TV show he made called Steven Seagal Lawman. 470 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 1: You know the thing about that show, right is it's like, 471 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: are you gonna come out and defend the show? Are 472 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: you pro the show? Really? Here, here's why they on 473 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 1: this show, right, Like, obviously Seagal's doing stuff that's really 474 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: messed up, but it's also unclear how much, ye, what 475 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: he was doing is than the average cop. Like like, 476 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: probably what he's doing is worst than the average cop. 477 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: But I don't think it's like like I don't I 478 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: don't think it's as bad as like like a Chicago 479 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: Special Operations Unit. It's like I can't believe this came 480 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 1: out in defense of Steven Seagal, specifically, he has work 481 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: to do to reach like the true upper echelon of 482 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 1: like I don't know, shitty cops Like this is a 483 00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: man who gave his time freely to volunteer for Joe R. Pio. 484 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: This level of apologism coming from you right now is 485 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:16,600 Speaker 1: simply shocking. I don't know how to deal with this, 486 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: this zigol apology. Yeah, psigologismsgism. Yeah, that is that is 487 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: what I was working my way towards what I couldn't 488 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 1: finish it. Yeah, thank you for delivering the kuda grass. Yeah, 489 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 1: me are coming out with some cop to bastard to 490 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: take scab. Okay, So what what is Carrison's carrison to deceased? 491 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 1: They've died, Okay. So these badge factories like the ones 492 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: in Lake Arthur and generally trade influenced cash, your connections 493 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: for a badge and the right to carry a gun. 494 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: Nation White Mercer and his son in LAWD. George Wells 495 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: have reported the town generously and so the most kind 496 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,240 Speaker 1: of the best investigated example of this right because Bloomberg 497 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 1: went after him and Bloomberg Publication not Bloomberg, the dude 498 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: he went down there personally, Bloomberg he formed an alliance 499 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: with apparently at one point this with this police department 500 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: did to a raid on a methhouse. And I would 501 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 1: love to see like Bloomberg forming alliance with the methulers 502 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:33,160 Speaker 1: of Lake Arth to fucking take on Murcer. So if 503 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg can take on nine to eleven single handedly, surely 504 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: he can bust up whatever whatever operations going down in 505 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: New Mexico. One hundred and fifty Stephen Seagals, would you 506 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: rather fight one Bloomberg size Stephen Seagal? And yeah, don't 507 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: don't do not bother messaging me. I know he wasn't 508 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: the mayor during nine to eleven. That was the joke. 509 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,959 Speaker 1: Don't bother messaging me. I already know, thank you, No no, no, 510 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 1: So I wrote, okay Garrison's Twitter again, I write a case. 511 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: He also famously dropped Staten Island Phil Bloomberg, You guys 512 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: don't know about Stannine. Staten Island. Phil is a groundhog. 513 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: This this will be in a Bastard episode as well. 514 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: So it's a second mentor of Staten Island film for 515 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: some people. Staatenland Phil is a groundhog similar to Puck's 516 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: attorney Phil. Yeah, but he lives in Staten Island and 517 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: that's fortunately. Yeah, well would we say that's a second 518 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 1: second pretty pretty disgusting take from me anti Staten Island. 519 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 1: This is this is when THEA gets canceled episode Yeah, 520 00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 1: time and getting rid of the Yankees things of the state. Sure, yeah, yeah. 521 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: Unfortunately Build a Blasio dropped the groundhog on its head 522 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: and it died, and yeah, build really built a Blazio groundhog. 523 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: But it's reduced popularity. Everyone who's been the mayor of 524 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: New York is such a piece of shape, unhinged. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 525 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, like fucking the current mayor just what 526 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: I liked TV to Tay and talked about how he 527 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: has this magic smudge that yes, so that he could 528 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: absorb despair and ring the despair. What the I'm so sick. 529 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: The only thing isolated New York was it does the 530 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: whole like there shouldn't be any separation of church and 531 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 1: say that is so much funnier. He's doing a sham 532 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: wow for sadness. Oh what a place, what a town? 533 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: All right, So if you're wondering how much it costs 534 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 1: for Mercer and his son in law to carry downs everywhere. 535 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: They paid at least ninety three thousand to set up 536 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: this thing called the Southeast New Mexico Police Reserve Foundation, 537 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 1: which you know is doing the valuable work of supporting 538 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: reserve cops in Southeast New Mexico because they are the 539 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 1: thin blue line between us and people not being able 540 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: to buy contial carry permits in all fifty states. I 541 00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: guess under it's by laws of its half the foundation's 542 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: net jews were required to be paid to police departments 543 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: whose reservists were members of the foundation the time of 544 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: its founding. All of the members were Like Arthur reservists, 545 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: so just a good public public benefit, probably just money 546 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:34,640 Speaker 1: going around in circles. He also paid for Lake Arthur 547 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: officers to get SWAT training in Vegas. Again, there is 548 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: only one full time cop and he's a volunteer, so 549 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: some of the lads went to Vegas, I guess, and 550 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: this was a donation that was probably tax deductible. The 551 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: way that this came out is when a quote unquote 552 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: firearms expert from North Carolina got drunk and shot his 553 00:32:56,440 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: brother in law in the leg, and people were why 554 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: were you carrying bro like you're a cop and yeah, 555 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: from their things began to unwind. A lot of the 556 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: other clients for this place are people like bodyguards, and 557 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: they were a client's cops volunteer officers. I should say, 558 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: there are people who do close protection for wealthy folks, right, 559 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,960 Speaker 1: and carry guns as part of that work. And I'm 560 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: guessing it's their employers who are making these significant donations 561 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: to like Arthur that probably allowed these people to be 562 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: reserve officers, which allowed them to carry in all fifty states, 563 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: which in turn allowed them to protect these wealthy people. Right. 564 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: So it's another and like it's important to understand that 565 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: like New York, for instance, declined before this was before 566 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,719 Speaker 1: the bruined decision. I can still carry permit applicant from 567 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,640 Speaker 1: like an FBI informant who had taken down a biker gang. 568 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: They were like, no, you don't need to carry again, 569 00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 1: Like it was almost impossible for people, even if they 570 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: were like helping the cops to get concealed carry permits 571 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: in some parts of United States and California was very hard. 572 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Lots of places before Brewin Like I think, what's it. 573 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi had a concealed carry permit or Feinstein, this 574 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 1: is the whole thing. Okay, so this was this was 575 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: finestein that. One of the other scamps for this is 576 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: you can get deputized as a federal marshal. There's like 577 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: a bunch like I like Finstein's rumored who have done 578 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: There's like a bunch of like every like a bunch 579 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: of sort of like California like Congress people have done this. 580 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: They're like they get they get deputizes marshals and so 581 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,839 Speaker 1: they can do this shit. Yeah, incredible stuff. Yeah, it's 582 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,239 Speaker 1: so I guess what I want to come back to 583 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,799 Speaker 1: is like all of these laws, right, all of these 584 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: gun control laws and are circumventable if you have enough money. Right, So, 585 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: if you want a nice, brand new gun that doesn't 586 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,680 Speaker 1: mic ris damp, it doesn't have the it doesn't have 587 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: the magazine disconnect, and like modern the modern carry guns especially, 588 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 1: you're a lot nicer than they were in twenty thirteen. Right, 589 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: They're smaller, they have a higher capacity. You can put 590 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: a little red dot site on them if you want to. 591 00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: And if you want one of those things, you can 592 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: have it in California as long as you're rich and 593 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,839 Speaker 1: if you're if you're not, then you can't. The same 594 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: applies with this fifty state carry right if you want 595 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,319 Speaker 1: to carry a gun all around the country, and even 596 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: now with Bruin, states are not required to recognize each 597 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: other's concealed carry permits. Right. So I have a concealed 598 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: harry permit in California. It's not recognized by any other 599 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,880 Speaker 1: states because California doesn't recognize any other states carry permits. 600 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: So I can apply for one Arizona. That costs me 601 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: more money. But if you want to carry in all 602 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 1: fifty states, you can just make this donation to the corps, right, 603 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: And you can almost all of these things, right. These 604 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 1: are the only examples mere cited the federal marshal thing. 605 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: Another one is the NFA right, the National Firearms Act, 606 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: Yeah Act, which like, essentially it's not illegal to have 607 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: a suppressor, it's not illegal to have a short barreled rifle. 608 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: It's not illegal to have a machine gun. Actually, you 609 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: just have to spend a shit ton of money to 610 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,240 Speaker 1: get one, which a mercer has a collection of machine guns. 611 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: I guess, So all of these things. Yeah, it's great, 612 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: it's fine. It's it's great that we live in a 613 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: country with with two tiers of rights for people. Those 614 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: are those those machine guns are totally going to be 615 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 1: used for normal, completely normal things in twenty years. Yeah. Yeah, 616 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,680 Speaker 1: a totally normal guy who will use them for normal 617 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: stuff and just I'm sure like to make holes in 618 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,040 Speaker 1: paper with his friends. And it's not problematic at all 619 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: that to be as rich as this guy is, you 620 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: have to be a problematic dude. And it maybe those 621 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: are the people who shouldn't be having guns, yeah, But 622 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: instead it's it's it's going to be poor people who 623 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,399 Speaker 1: can't be having guns. And I think, regardless of what 624 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: you and it's perfectly reasonable to think that there should 625 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 1: be fewer guns in this country. It's perfectly reasonable to 626 00:36:57,560 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: leave that. And I think, like it's perfectly reasonable to 627 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: think what the fuck should we do about the fact 628 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: that kids get shot in schools. That's not an unreasonable 629 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 1: starts at all. But if the way around it is saying, well, 630 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,799 Speaker 1: only rich people get to shoot people, then that that's 631 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: not really a solution. It's just kind of the the 632 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 1: appearance of one. And I don't think any of us suddenly, 633 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,560 Speaker 1: if we were on the left, should should really support that. Yeah, 634 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: that's where we are in California, which is great. Yeah. 635 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,239 Speaker 1: So that's about all we've got on this. If people 636 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: are interested in seeing more about either the Mercer case 637 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: or the public records I have, we'll put them all 638 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 1: up on our sources page. You can find our sources 639 00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: page on there could Happen Here website, and we put 640 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: all our sorts out there for all our episodes. So yeah, 641 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: go check that out. Anything else to finish off with? Guys? 642 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 1: The cops having guns, bad cops being cops, bad cops? Yeah? 643 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: Oh well, what about Stephen Cigar the may This is 644 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,480 Speaker 1: a dramatic change of from your earlier stones. I only 645 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: ever argued that he would slightly violent than a normal cop. 646 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: That was the extent of my argument. He is only 647 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: slightly more violent than a regular cop. She is flip 648 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: flopping on the some some cops of issue. Again. You 649 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: can send me your opinions on the police. She's on 650 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:29,920 Speaker 1: Twitter at I write Okay, it could happen here as 651 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more podcasts from 652 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: cool Zone Media, visit our website cool Zonemedia dot com, 653 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,360 Speaker 1: or check us out on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 654 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to podcasts, you can find sources 655 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: for It could happen here. Updated monthly at cool Zone 656 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.