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Speaker 2: Parrison dies for the up zone. He's in touchdow Hound.

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Speaker 3: What a pick at the thirty five yard line by

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Speaker 4: Problem solved, Tackle for.

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Speaker 2: A Loss by guess who Collas Campbell.

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Speaker 1: The latest news and notes from the insiders who cover

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Speaker 1: the team.

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tray McBride.

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Speaker 4: Heck of a play by the all world tight end

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Speaker 4: Tray McBride.

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Speaker 2: Oh that was nasty right there right slam the ground

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Speaker 2: by Buddha Baker like a torpedo. He came flying into

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Speaker 2: the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic, all right, did you guys sit here

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Speaker 1: right here, right now?

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Speaker 2: You have no idea how long you truly are?

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's awful arrogant of you.

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Speaker 2: Paul Darren Urban, Danny Sirek. You's tlely, Paul Kelvic. Just

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Speaker 2: addition by subtraction, if you will, in terms of what

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to bring today. The signing. The re

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Speaker 2: signing of Blake Gillikin saves the two of you for

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Speaker 2: me starting the campaign pounding the table for drafting upon

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Speaker 2: her at some point on day three this year. But

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Speaker 2: that's not necessary because Blake Gillikin is under He's under

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Speaker 2: wraps and ready to be part of this team twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty six.

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Speaker 4: You know, I averaged over fifty one yards a punt

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Speaker 4: before he got hurt.

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Speaker 2: Let most most overrated player in terms of actually, let

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Speaker 2: me restate that. Edit that out, most underrated in terms

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Speaker 2: of just being appreciated last year despite missing three quarters

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Speaker 2: of the year with a back injury. I mean, win healthy,

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Speaker 2: restate that win healthy. Blake gillikan one of the most underrated,

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Speaker 2: underappreciated players on this roster.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, and thanks to Blake, I guess I'm pretty lucky today.

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Speaker 3: So thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Dar Tuton, if you see him, yeah, you

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Speaker 2: can thank him if you see him out there?

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Speaker 4: Exactly Is that really going to stop you from saying

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Speaker 4: drafted punter? Will we actually get to April?

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Speaker 2: I did actually look up some of the more highly

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Speaker 2: drafted punters in recent NFL are there. Well, apparently the

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Speaker 2: highest one drafted was twenty twelve Brian Anger. One of

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Speaker 2: the better all time football names, right up there with

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Speaker 2: the U of a baseball player. I cited a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago Owen Cramkowski, who really needs to be

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Speaker 2: a full back cram Kowski.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, here's another good punter name.

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Speaker 3: List is one one punter.

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Speaker 2: Mitch Wishnowski was a twenty nineteen round four round four.

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Speaker 2: Round four got the Steelers and Niners. And then there

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Speaker 2: was actually another round four pick in two round four

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Speaker 2: punters in twenty twenty two. So there is President Danny

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Speaker 2: just letting you know day three. I stipulated day three.

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Speaker 3: You know where the general manager sits, Paul Well, send

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Speaker 3: him a letter.

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Speaker 2: A year ago there was I created a suggestion box

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Speaker 2: outside the office the offensive coordinator. Maybe I'll just move

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Speaker 2: it down the hallway. So okay, all right, we'll see

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Speaker 2: about that. Here we go free agency frenzy, as they

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Speaker 2: term it on the NFL network in ESPN, soon to

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Speaker 2: be won by the way, we'll get to that a

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Speaker 2: couple of months from now it becomes official. But big takeaways,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, there wasn't that Ron Burgundy, you know, cannonball,

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Speaker 2: big splash signing for the Cardinals. But to me, that's

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Speaker 2: never necessarily a bad thing because the track record big

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Speaker 2: money in free agency. I mean, not everyone is going

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Speaker 2: than the next closest center. Not everyone is blowing the

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Speaker 3: You also have to look and see who's available and

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Speaker 3: based on not just position need, but in general. All

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Speaker 3: the big names in free agency were tagged before free

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Speaker 3: the moves for depth, you know, offensive line was, in

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Speaker 3: Maniasapport has put most of his attention in most of

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Speaker 3: given James Connor coming back from injury and majority of

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Speaker 3: that room being pending free agents. I understand there's no

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Speaker 3: okay with this right. Free agency to a certain extent

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Speaker 3: is a lot about depth, Right, you want to get

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Speaker 3: think so far that's what the Cardinals have done.

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Speaker 2: I mean Isaac Saamalo, right, I mean, he that's the guy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, he's to Danny's point, I mean,

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Speaker 2: he is a starter.

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Speaker 3: Day one, that'll be your starting left guard.

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Speaker 2: And so ten year vet, you know, six four three

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Speaker 2: h three pro bowler. In twenty twenty four, the next

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Speaker 2: Gen stats had him among the highest rated among interior

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Speaker 3: Last year he didn't give up a single penalty with Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 3: So that is consistent clean play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or he's just really good and masking and disguising

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Speaker 2: And I mean here's a guy I just look at it.

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Speaker 2: I like looking at some of their backgrounds. Right, So

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Speaker 2: he attended Corballis Oregon High School. He went to Oregon State.

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Speaker 2: Just made it real easy. And he was the first

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Speaker 2: get it at Oregon State. And maybe it's not exactly

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Speaker 2: usc but.

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Speaker 4: Don't be a hater.

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Speaker 3: Paul, no cow.

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Speaker 4: Definitely no cow.

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Speaker 2: So then, uh, moments before we cracked the microphones here,

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Speaker 2: they signed a tackle, most recently from the Eagles six seven,

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Speaker 2: three point thirty two. This guy might be the first

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Speaker 4: Although I'm guessing judging by his playing history, he's more

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Speaker 4: about depth. He didn't play a ton in terms of

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Speaker 4: think you're probably still looking for a right tackle. And

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Speaker 4: we can discuss today or later about what that means

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Speaker 4: might mean for the draft. And we were still fairly

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Speaker 4: early in free agency, and we'll see what happens. But

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Speaker 4: the prior thing seems like draft. The saying looks like

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Speaker 4: a starter, so you're you know, you're still trying to

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Speaker 4: figure out some things. Did you want to get two

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Speaker 4: Could that also be addressed in the draft. I'll be

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Speaker 4: interesting to see exactly, you know, how that kind of

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Speaker 4: plays out. I like the Algier signing, and when you

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Speaker 4: couple that with the fact that James Connor isn't being

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Speaker 4: released and is sticking around, I think that means a

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Speaker 4: lot on a lot of different levels. We can get

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Speaker 4: to that later. I am curious to know what it

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Speaker 4: means for Trey Benson if anything, you know, those kinds

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Speaker 4: of things. They needed a third receiver, so Kendrick Bourne

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Speaker 4: makes a lot of sense. Who's coming in here. You know,

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Speaker 4: I didn't anticipate super splashy things. They didn't do super

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Speaker 4: splashy things. I know there's some a lot of people

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Speaker 4: did not do, and I'm sure we'll get to the

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Speaker 4: quarterback situation. But they needed some of these pieces and

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Speaker 4: they did get them, and we'll see where it goes.

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Speaker 2: So do you think as we sit here right now

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Speaker 2: that Week one, this starting right tackle is coming in

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Speaker 2: the draft.

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Speaker 3: Yes, did you need me to think longer on that?

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three I was gonna he said that as

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Speaker 4: uh as quickly as I said, who was somebody was

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Speaker 4: gonna wear number one next year? Or yeah, next season.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't mean to cut off your thought, Paul, continue, So.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna maybe place away Drum, by the way,

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Speaker 2: I believe well in twenty twenty three, I mean there

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Speaker 2: is precedent, there is track record for this. What happened.

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Speaker 2: Paris Johnson Junior selected number six overall in the moment

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Speaker 2: they turned in the card, he was your starter at

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Speaker 2: right tackle. In fact, I went back and I found

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Speaker 2: this bit of information, Danny. I'll remind you that during

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Speaker 2: his rookie year, Paris Johnson Junior face, I just like

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Speaker 3: Not sure, really something, I know which set you're gonna use?

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Speaker 2: Bulla's here during his rookie year, Danny, where he started

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Speaker 3: Game, the only offensive lineman to do so on this team.

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Speaker 2: Right he faced Aaron Donald yes twice, Nick Bosa twice,

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Speaker 2: the end of the year. TJ Watt who had nineteen

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Speaker 2: half sacks that year. We're not done, Micah Parsons who

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Speaker 2: I know you want to jump in. I do. Paris

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Speaker 2: Johnson Junior's rookie year also faced just for fun, Justin Matdobwicke,

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Gernard Cavon, Thibodeau, Hassan Radikuol had eleven or more sacks.

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Speaker 4: So here's my question for the two of you. No, well,

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Speaker 4: it's it's not really that.

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Speaker 3: Are you gonna move in back to right tackle?

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Speaker 4: No? No, no, no, no, I'm going to ask. So

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Speaker 4: Danny and I obviously agree. We didn't get Paul's opinion,

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Speaker 4: but that's okay. We'll move on from that. That the

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Speaker 4: right tackle will come in the draft. Does he come

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Speaker 4: at three or does he come at thirty four?

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Speaker 3: Three?

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Speaker 2: No, he comes at the back end of the top ten.

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Speaker 2: Because you're trading out of three. Someone comes up for

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Speaker 3: He's with the first pick. We agree because.

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Speaker 2: The bet yes, first pick, just not at three, since

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Speaker 2: you've seen Spencer Fano and Francis Smiley Noah fall a

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Speaker 2: back end of the top ten.

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Speaker 3: So we pour one out for the Jeremiah Love talk

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Speaker 3: at three.

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Speaker 2: And at this point, at this point it's not a highway.

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Speaker 3: I was on the verge of convincing myself.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm disappointed in bringing a prop like Paul

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Speaker 4: would have because when you said pour one out, I

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Speaker 4: halfway expected you.

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Speaker 3: To never make a mess. In jim I Mahundra's podcast,

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Speaker 3: that's probably good move.

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Speaker 2: Darren was looking for the drink cart. He was like,

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Speaker 2: what's going on around here? Yeah, we'll get into the whole,

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Speaker 2: you know. Let there be an RB and number three

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Speaker 2: a little bit later.

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Speaker 3: I do like the move for running back for Tyler Algier,

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Speaker 3: and when you look at the film, it's James Connor

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Speaker 3: He's had eighteen career rushing touchdowns. Thirteen of those have

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, blows and counts two former Cardinals greats.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's a good one. I like that one.

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Speaker 2: I like that same mentality, right, those two guys. I

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Speaker 3: It also puts a fire under Trey Benson. I mean,

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Speaker 3: That's the question now. Based off the season the Cardinals

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Speaker 2: Darren, you like to, you know, play the roster of

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Speaker 4: Probably not, thank you, Well, are there going to be

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Speaker 2: Well, and when healthy Bam goes the night, he was

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Speaker 4: We got a long way to go, Like Danny was

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Speaker 4: Like I love the idea of making sure he's still

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Speaker 4: But he is gonna be thirty one or is thirty one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's gonna have that same burst. Is he gonna

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Speaker 3: You can call me a homer, but if you're gonna

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Speaker 2: That lights the line.

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Speaker 4: I think Queen of the Cardinals is still better.

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Speaker 3: And back to back thousand yard rushing seasons when he

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Speaker 4: And I love we already got a sense of where

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Speaker 4: Long way to go. I think we're all in agreement.

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Speaker 3: One of the seven.

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Speaker 4: Apparently I wasn't paying attention, not the first.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm sure he came in to say, well,

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Speaker 4: Again unfortunately with some of Moni's picks, he's gone after

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Speaker 3: And that's what I'm not I shouldn't say stressed, because

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Speaker 4: You go.

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Speaker 2: See, I think you're safe. If Dave Pash says it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's pressure on pass, there is the.

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Speaker 4: If the injuries start cropping up after ten years, Paul,

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Speaker 2: Well, I jacked up my foot two months ago. I

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Speaker 3: Are falling there.

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Speaker 2: It could be. I'm not sure the X ray was negative.

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Speaker 3: from last week, cover your ears here. There was somebody

437
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,640
Speaker 3: who got hurt in a Paul look at me, listen.

438
00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 3: There was somebody who got hurt during a challenge and

439
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 3: he had to get attention from the medical staff because

440
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 3: he couldn't run on his foot and they were checking

441
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,879
Speaker 3: his ankle in the moment they were asking, you know,

442
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,679
Speaker 3: they were feeling pressure points, and they were saying, do

443
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 3: you have any pain here? You say no, no, and

444
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: they're like okay. So he got up and he limped

445
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:46,320
Speaker 3: and he finished. And I'm watching this episode, I'm thinking,

446
00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: if you just fell for his ankle and e didn't

447
00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,239
Speaker 3: have pain, why are you not feeling his achilles? And

448
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: lo and behold the next day when they did a

449
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: fall up with him, he had torn his achilles and

450
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,960
Speaker 3: unfortunately had to be sent home. But my point is

451
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Speaker 3: is that it's like, I feel like I've watched unfortunately

452
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: enough injuries and I'm saying, I'm like, okay, surely they're

453
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:03,960
Speaker 3: going to check the achilles next out there.

454
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Speaker 4: There you go. Danny didn't even stay at a holiday

455
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 4: and Express last night.

456
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 2: So if you go to the Survivor website, is there

457
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 2: like an ir do they have an injured list? Do

458
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 2: they have like that?

459
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Speaker 3: That's an idea you can test. You could start that

460
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 3: in testing.

461
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,480
Speaker 4: But I will say Danny athletic trainer on the side,

462
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 4: just by being by Osmosis, I do think we.

463
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,240
Speaker 3: Had a really nice segue there that we kind of

464
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: ruined talking about the list franc injury just saying.

465
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Speaker 2: No, I'm not really sure. How that here's my favorite

466
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Speaker 2: speaking of there's either.

467
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Speaker 3: Kind of set you uprolled off.

468
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Speaker 2: There are people who suffer injuries and there are those

469
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 2: who inflict injuries. Really, they are just two kinds of

470
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: people in the world. And this is my favorite stat

471
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: on Tyler Algier. This is from twenty twenty at BYU.

472
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 2: Seventy percent of his rushing yardage was calculated to calme

473
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,480
Speaker 2: after contact. Think about that.

474
00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:56,919
Speaker 4: That's very impressive. Although again you know what happens in

475
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 4: that how many yards a game or attempted have the.

476
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Speaker 2: I won't get your old line of gift. Your old

477
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: line gets you a gift. That's true when seventy percent

478
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 2: of your yardage is after contact, that's how that works. Yeah,

479
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I don't know how they calculate that stuff.

480
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 4: No, I understand how the I'm just saying, like, if

481
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 4: you're averaging five and a half yards of carry and

482
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Speaker 4: seventy percent of it comes after contract contact, that's different.

483
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: If you're getting seventy percent of your yards after contact

484
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:22,159
Speaker 4: and you're averaging three point one yards of carry, it

485
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: doesn't really do you much gift, all.

486
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: Right, speaking of contact on every single play, Roy Lopez

487
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: coming home, mister double team himself. So I think everyone

488
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 2: sort of did a little fist pump right when Roy

489
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 2: Lopez was announced as incoming back to the az after

490
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: one year in Detroit. He gets what's reported as seven

491
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Speaker 2: million and guaranteed money over a two year deal, Well

492
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 2: he will get those things. Yeah, So yeah, and you

493
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Speaker 2: know what, he had a couple of sacks, He had

494
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: thirty tackles. He had five quarterback hits last year for

495
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: the Lions, four TFLs, and about one and eighteen double

496
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,439
Speaker 2: team blocks Eten. That's my own calculation there at the end.

497
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's fair to say if Roy

498
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Speaker 4: Lopez hadn't left last year in free agency, the Cardinals

499
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 4: probably don't pick up Dalvin Tomlinson, who we now know

500
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 4: is no longer with a team because they released them

501
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 4: because it didn't quite fit it the way it was

502
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 4: almost like they traded. They brought in Tomlinson for Lopez,

503
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 4: and then they traded Tomlinson back for Lopez. When it's

504
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: all said and.

505
00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 3: Done, Lopees was one of those players that we talked

506
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,479
Speaker 3: a lot about with LJ. Collier and Dante Still someone

507
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 3: who might not have been It's not even fair to

508
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 3: say not a starter because they rely so heavily on

509
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 3: rotation here and it was similar in De Troit. But

510
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 3: somebody who when his number was called upon, was consistent

511
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: and was making plays. And then you look at the

512
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 3: type of person, the character. He's always positive, he's got

513
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 3: a great attitude in the locker room. He's a Valley native.

514
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 3: His family is still here. They all come to the game.

515
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 3: So I'm sure on that level everyone in his family

516
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 3: is very excited for that return as well. I'm intrigued

517
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: at what other moves are still to come. On defense,

518
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: safety Jalen Thompson is going to the Cowboys, and with

519
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: Garrett Williams having torn his achilles at the end of

520
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 3: last season and likely to miss a significant portion of

521
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 3: time in twenty twenty six, what is the defensive backfield

522
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: going to look like? Besides Sean Murphy Bunting who re

523
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 3: signed yes you with your hand.

524
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: My hand is up. I'm gonna answer that, and I

525
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 2: think you just answered it. SMB is your new nickel

526
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 2: slot corner. Okay, that's his best year. If you talk

527
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: to a lot of folks on the inside, his best

528
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 2: year was this Super Bowl year for Tampa and he

529
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: was the nickel corner. He was the inside slot corner.

530
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: So I'm guessing because I know a lot of people

531
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: maybe were surprised Sean Murphy Bunting came to an agreement

532
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 2: He's still going to be an Arizona Cardinal, and maybe

533
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 2: a lot of people didn't expect that. But I think

534
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: his importance was heightened by the loss of Garrett Williams

535
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 2: and not knowing exactly when twenty one is going to

536
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 2: be back. One of the better slot corners in the league.

537
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: So you feel like you have a pretty good insurance

538
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 2: policy right there in Sewn Murphy Bunting.

539
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 3: I like that idea. I'll just be curious, you know. Also,

540
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 3: having moved on from linebacker A King Davis Gaither, there's

541
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: just still decisions and we still have the draft at

542
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 3: the end of April, and free agency doesn't have an

543
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: ending point. You'll get kind of waves, So I'll be

544
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 3: curious what other moves on defense they focus on.

545
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 2: After the Cardinals draft, Sonny.

546
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,400
Speaker 3: Styles gosh at three.

547
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: Maybe Sonny Styles to be your Mike backer, Darren, would

548
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 2: you take Fred Warner number three overall? If you had

549
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: to go back? Would you take Luke three overall? Just

550
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: in general? Would you take a Hall of Fame Mike

551
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: Backer number three overall in any.

552
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 4: Draft, I suppose I would, Paul.

553
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 2: And then maybe you go for that that tackle a

554
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: top round two.

555
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 4: I didn't know Hall of Fame linebackers were available. If

556
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: somebody does, pretty sure they're not.

557
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 3: If somebody really wants Jeremiah Love at three and the

558
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: Cardinals do trade down and both offensive linemen are gone

559
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:53,879
Speaker 3: sunny styles.

560
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 4: We really think there's going to be a market to

561
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: trade up to three.

562
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 2: I believe so. Yes, I was highly disappointed. I will

563
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 2: admit I was highly disappointed. I was trying to speak

564
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 2: it into existing Kansas City, which obviously decided and determined

565
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 2: they had a major need at running back, and I

566
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: was thinking, all right, Casey has nine to twenty nine.

567
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: They make an offer to the Cardinals to come up

568
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: to three, and then they went and paid big money

569
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 2: to Kenneth Walker the third. So unfortunately Kansas City out

570
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: of the number three overall seat.

571
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 4: I look at this draft and I just I do

572
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 4: not see a market. That's just me, Paul.

573
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 3: Are you excited that Travis Kelcey is returning and will

574
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 3: very likely have Taylor Scipt as his wife as opposed

575
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: to fiance by the time the season starts.

576
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 2: I'm not up on my you know, on the nuptials

577
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: news or whatever. Are they Are they scheduled? Is there

578
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: a date set?

579
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 3: But I believe there's a date I saw online reportedly

580
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 3: in June. Gotcha, So keep your schedule open.

581
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: Well, are they gonna sort of like Jeff Bezos, so

582
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: they're gonna like rent out all of sicily or they

583
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: what are they gonna do? Is he gonna do something?

584
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 3: Once I get my invitation, may I'll let you know.

585
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure they can have for it. Taylor can't

586
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 4: afford That's what I mean.

587
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 2: By the way, you realize his re signing with the

588
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 2: Chiefs made the national newscast, the network news. It was

589
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: news news, all the war, everything else, Economy, acount, and

590
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: then they just worked in Travis Kelcey is back with

591
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: Kansas City. That's how big a celebrity is.

592
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try and undercut Danny

593
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: because she has she has a brand and getting cultured

594
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 4: as that brand. However, as long as we're on the subject,

595
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 4: and it wasn't national news per se, it was still TMZ.

596
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 4: But did you guys see that for whatever reason, TMZ

597
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 4: decided to make a story out of Donna kelce the

598
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 4: mom getting there so funny kitchen remodeled.

599
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: There was I'll take over Darren think thank you. There

600
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 3: was a story. It was on Team I Believe the

601
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: Homes in Florida that it was. It was announced for

602
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 3: whatever reason that Donna Kelcey, their mom, is renovating her

603
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 3: home and and and is renovating all of her windows

604
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 3: and doors, like thirteen doors, twenty windows.

605
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 2: Windows, announced like we got an a lord on our phone.

606
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: Donna Kelcey renovating her home.

607
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 3: It's been the big meme on social media of like

608
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: people the news with Travis Kelcey announcing he was going

609
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: to return to Kansas City. Everyone was playing, well, who

610
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 3: else is going to pay for Donna Kelcey's home renovations?

611
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: Like it's it's been funny.

612
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lie. I get the clicks there. There

613
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 4: may have been a time when I I don't know

614
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: if people remember, but they used there was one year

615
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: where they had a veteran free agent combine that they

616
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 4: actually held back out here on the fields, yes, in

617
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: the middle of this, and they had a bunch of

618
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 4: like guys who were trying to like stay in the

619
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 4: league or get back in the league. And they weren't rookies,

620
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: but they were veterans and they all came out here.

621
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 2: It's so like the UFL before the ESL, and.

622
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 4: They put out, they put out who was going to

623
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 4: attend this thing? And I'm writing a story for Azycardinals

624
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: dot com on who was going to be there. And

625
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 4: I actually put in this story and in the headline

626
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: Tim Tebow was not attending. It was close enough to

627
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: the time that he could have. And that was simply

628
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: to get clicks.

629
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Speaker 3: I will say, Donna Kelsey was just on a TV

630
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 3: show on Traders on NBC or Peacock. So while she's

631
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: obviously not as big as her two sons, she is

632
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: somewhat creating her own celebrity brand.

633
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: All right.

634
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 2: So no, don't don't like the lamp for the whole

635
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 2: Kelsey family shoal to it. Don't ever like the lamp

636
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 2: for that. All right. Speaking of personalities, there's my segue

637
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: to the next player, Kendrick Bourne. Have you seen any

638
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 2: of his social media?

639
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 3: He was popping bottles.

640
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 4: You want to know who saw their social media? Was

641
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,560
Speaker 4: our social media team as soon as it was it

642
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 4: came out that he was going to be signing in Arizona,

643
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 4: there was like a little party going on.

644
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: The Niners put out a thirty second video like late

645
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: last season of just him laughing, because he has this

646
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 2: huge laugh, not unlike and Kwan Bolden back in the

647
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,680
Speaker 2: day where you could hear deep. It is deep, not

648
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 2: quite okay, but I'm I mean it's volume eleven his laugh,

649
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: and it's he's walking around NFL Super Bowl experience, NFL experience,

650
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: and he has a big T shirt on Born Blessed

651
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: right with his the way he spells his last name

652
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: Borne Blessed or like Jason Bourne the movie character. And

653
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 2: he's walking around and every single Niners and Patriots fan

654
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,959
Speaker 2: who had a Niners or Patriots jersey on recognized him

655
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 2: immediately wanted to sel fie the whole deal.

656
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 3: So that's great. You need a depth of wide receiver.

657
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 3: Zay Jones and Simmi Fijoco are both going to be

658
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 3: free agents, both coming to Greg Dorch. Those first two

659
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 3: though coming off injuries. Now Born will provide you depth

660
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 3: out wide. Doesn't have a lot of special teams experience,

661
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: so that's not necessarily what the move is there, but

662
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 3: you need depth, right, you need someone out there besides

663
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison Junior and Michael Wilson. So I like this move.

664
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 3: Maybe he will bring some really serious intel coming from

665
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 3: the division rival San Francisco.

666
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: Forty nine erst it's good thought.

667
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 4: Well once be able to tell us about Mike Evans though.

668
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 2: So oh boy, well look you're wondering what's the connection

669
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: on Kendrick Bourne. He was in San Francisco with the

670
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Niners when Michael Lafleur was there for like four years

671
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: for a first time around.

672
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was his position coach.

673
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so so okay you have so you got to

674
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 2: figure all right, the Cardinals new head coach knows him

675
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: really well, so you know, wide receiver three. And then

676
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: you go from there. And then all of a sudden,

677
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers with the whole Brandon I uke

678
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: and everything else. You're thinking, okay, who do they have left?

679
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: And and the rookie you know what's wait, what's his uh?

680
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: With a kid? The local kid that Ricky pearsall can't

681
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: stay healthy? And so what's going on? And then they

682
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: land Mike Evans to.

683
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 3: A certain extent, Paul Rickey Pearsall was shot. So if

684
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 3: we're gonna say he can't stay healthy, a little nuance

685
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 3: just that was.

686
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: That was year one, year two. Yeah, okay, I get it. Oh,

687
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,959
Speaker 2: you're right, right. That's known as extenuating circumstances.

688
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: You're right, Yes, there's some other injuries. I think at

689
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 4: a hamstring.

690
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: The Mike Evans move is so interesting. He put out

691
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: this long post about essentially wanting to challenge himself at

692
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: this point in his career. Do we take that as

693
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: a backhanded slap at his former quarterback or is that

694
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 3: not really?

695
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 4: I think I think it has more to do with

696
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 4: the team. At this point, the team forty nine ers

697
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: might be closer. And the other thing too, is the

698
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 4: Bucks have built up a pretty nice receiving corps and

699
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: they just drafted a guy in the first round last

700
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 4: year who is basically becoming the number one, And maybe

701
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: Evans goes to a place, which he will where he's

702
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: going to be the number one. Now, whether whether he

703
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 4: can stay healthy or not, I think that's a whole.

704
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 3: Nother deal to stay in warm weather. But three years

705
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: that he's thirty two, sign a three year deal, all.

706
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 2: Right, So who's going to prove more beneficial and fortuitous

707
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: in the division. Mike Evans and what he does for

708
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers offense, or what Trent duffy does

709
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: as corner one for the Rams.

710
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: Letna go Trent McDuffie.

711
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that was a heck of a move.

712
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: I want to say that was precipitated in part by

713
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson. Michael Wilson who ripped the Rams in two

714
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,400
Speaker 2: games for I'm looking at it right here, adding it

715
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: up on the fly, no math sixteen grabs in two

716
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: games for two forty one and three touchdowns. O.

717
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 3: Mike Tier. Marvin Harrison Junior was a problem for LA

718
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 3: in both games against the Rams.

719
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: Sean McVay and Lesneed said Bosta, enough, we re tired

720
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 2: of having awful cornerbacks. And they went on and got

721
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 2: two from the Chiefs.

722
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 3: They traded and then they gave a new contract making

723
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 3: McDuffie the highest paid cornerback.

724
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 2: So so there you go. They traded the unknown for

725
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 2: a known as they got rid of the first round

726
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: pick and now Kansas City picks nine and twenty nine

727
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: because of that.

728
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 3: Well, LA still has a pick. They had two. Right,

729
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: they're sitting at what twelve fourteen range.

730
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 2: Somewhere in there middle of the first round, and what

731
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: else in the NFC West stood out?

732
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 4: Seahawks lost a handful of guys and didn't sign anybody

733
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 4: or didn't agree to terms. I got to get this

734
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 4: right as we record this right now. None of these

735
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 4: people have actually gone to their new teams. They can't

736
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: do that before one o'clock Arizona time on Wednesday. So

737
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 4: there's a lot of stuff that still has to be official.

738
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 4: And with as many and many as many moves as this,

739
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 4: there's always a possibility as a physical being failed by

740
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 4: one of these dozens of guys across the league, and

741
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,800
Speaker 4: then it would never happen. But Seattle hadn't really signed anybody.

742
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 4: They lost a handful of guys. Now that happens, and

743
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 4: I don't think it's anything that they weren't expecting in

744
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 4: a lot of ways. I mean, they knew they were

745
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 4: going to lose Kenneth Walker. They probably knew they were

746
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 4: going to lose some of these defensive backs. But that's

747
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: what it's about. Because these guys get to the end

748
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 4: of the contract and they're on a successful team and

749
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 4: they want to make their money and.

750
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 2: They have to pay JSN and then I have to

751
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: pay Devin Witherspoon. And so, by the way, the trend

752
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 2: McDuffie contract recent at the market for cornerbacks, so I

753
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: know the Seahawks are looking at that and what they're

754
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: gonna have to pay Witherspoon, who's a two time All

755
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: Pro and which now brings us to the quarterback. And

756
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: the number one free agent based on most of the

757
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: rankings was Malik Willis, and the fact that he was

758
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 2: already in Florida and doing media from Florida sort of

759
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: poor tends that maybe his deal with the Dolphins had

760
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: been in the works for some time.

761
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: I was a little bit shocked that Miami moved on

762
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: from TUA, just because financially what it's going to cost

763
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: them and they're almost a negative cap space. They did it,

764
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 3: and they found a way to get a deal done

765
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: with Malik Willis. It's three years, forty five million guaranteed.

766
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: I'm not.

767
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 4: I know people keep wondering about this. I'm not one

768
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 4: hundred percent sure, Like everybody's like Cardinals this Cardinals at

769
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 4: I'm not. And maybe some of it was he really

770
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 4: wanted to go to Miami, and I guess that's part

771
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 4: of it. I'm also not one hundred percent sure that

772
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 4: the Cardinals were necessarily sold in terms of what he

773
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 4: was bringing to the table for what it was going

774
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 4: to cost compared to what you're going to get with

775
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: Jacoby Brissett. I guess we'll probably never really know that,

776
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 4: but you know, I know there were I mean, Malik

777
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 4: Willis brought out what you would expect. It felt like

778
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 4: half the fans were like, you gotta go get this guy,

779
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: and half the fans are like, this guy hasn't proven anything.

780
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 4: What would you What are you doing here?

781
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: I mean sort of like the fans. You know, my

782
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: assessment of Malik Willis and whether you'd be willing to

783
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: go all in is all over the map. There's early

784
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 2: NFL career Malik Willis who was awful for Tennessee. I mean,

785
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: the accuracy of the anticipation, the footwork, the mechanics supposedly

786
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 2: is improved drastically in all those categories. He credits a

787
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: quarterback coach that he's been working with for several years now, Well,

788
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: I guess is going with him down to Miami. Nobody

789
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 2: knows that better than Jeff Hafley. The Green Bay defensive

790
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 2: coordinator or now the Dolphins GM, who was just with

791
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: the Packers, who they obviously have inside intel. Not to

792
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,479
Speaker 2: say the Cardinals didn't. With Matt Lafloor being the brother

793
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: of Michael Lafloor and Nathaniel Hackett being on that staff

794
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: a year ago, they had pretty good knowledge of Milik

795
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: Willis as well. But if he truly has improved that

796
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: much from his first couple of years in the league,

797
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 2: and remember Mani Osipor was part of the Tennessee front

798
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: office that drafted Malik Willis, I mean, Josh Allen made

799
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: a lot of improvements in his accuracy from his rookie

800
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,240
Speaker 2: year to now being an NFL MVP. But if Malik

801
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,760
Speaker 2: Willis ends up working out and being a franchise quarterback

802
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: for many years to come, it'll be close to the

803
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: most miraculous improved quarterback play we've seen it in a

804
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 2: long time, based on how bad that film was in

805
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 2: his younger days.

806
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 4: I don't disagree, and we're you know, it's a crap shoot.

807
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 4: I mean, we knew going into this offseason that any

808
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 4: team needing a quarterback, and the Cardinals were in that position.

809
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 4: There were no super clear answers, whether you were looking

810
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 4: at free agency or whether you're looking at this draft,

811
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 4: and even even if you're the Raiders. With Fernando Mendoza,

812
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: I think he's obviously the best quarterback in the draft,

813
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 4: but I don't I don't think people are looking at

814
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: him like they did with you Carson Palmer when he

815
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 4: was coming out.

816
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 3: If there were other quarterbacks in this draft worthy of

817
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 3: being picked that high. With Frinanner, Mendoza still be the

818
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 3: all but guaranteed number one. Speaking of the Raiders, if

819
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: we want to continue talking about some moves around the league,

820
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 3: Gino Smith traded back to the Jets, remember the team

821
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 3: that wrote him off, and he didn't right back. He's

822
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 3: back in New York, and I saw online supposedly Vegas

823
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,359
Speaker 3: is going to be covering a majority of his contracts,

824
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 3: so he will reportedly be playing for the league minimum.

825
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 3: From New York, Tua went to Atlanta, and so that

826
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: kind of all leads to the name that we have

827
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: not brought up yet on this podcast of Kyler Murray.

828
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: The official release won't be until Wednesday, one o'clock, Arizona time,

829
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: the start of the new league year, and so it's

830
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: almost been kind of quiet. It seems like his camp

831
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 3: is kind of being intentional about not sharing where he

832
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 3: is or you know who he might be visiting with

833
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: or have already visited, although all signs are pointing to Minnesota.

834
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: I'll be interested. Look, I think there's a lot of interest.

835
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 4: Another quarterback we have not brought up is the one

836
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 4: that the Cardinals are bringing, which is Gardner Minshew and

837
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 4: what that means here and everything. I think with Kyler,

838
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: I'm assuming he has had permission to talk to teams,

839
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 4: I mean other Everybody keeps talking about this stuff, and

840
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 4: my guess is, again, he probably had permission to talk

841
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 4: to other teams, but this is not I know, all

842
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 4: these guys who are going to be free agents had

843
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: the right to talk to other teams. But technically, Kyler's

844
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 4: still under contract until he gets cut, So technically, unless

845
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: there's something that we don't know about, he isn't supposed

846
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 4: to be talking to anybody at this point. So it'll

847
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: be curious to know how I'll be curious to know

848
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 4: how quickly all that moves. But it does feel like,

849
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 4: as the spots get taken up, that there's only one

850
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 4: place that he could end up.

851
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: And you know when it does happen if indeed that

852
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 2: is the next step, and it's just a formality at

853
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: this point in a matter of waiting for deadlines to

854
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: elapse in the new year to begin officially. I mean,

855
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: when's the last time you even felt like Kylo was

856
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 2: part of the team. It's not like this is a

857
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: sudden change. No, he hasn't played since Week five early

858
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: October of twenty twenty five. So to me, I feel

859
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 2: like we've all had enough. We've had ample time to

860
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,479
Speaker 2: make the transition from a seven year franchise quarterback, say

861
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: thanks and then move on and guess what it's time

862
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 2: to answer the next quarterback question and Jacoby Brissette, Gardner

863
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 2: Minshew to be named later draft pick, whomever we're talking about.

864
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that is the Cardinal's new reality quarterback question.

865
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: We've been here and done this before. There are two

866
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: types of teams in the NFL. You have your franchise

867
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 2: quarterback or you're looking for your franchise quarterback.

868
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: There's a very good chance this quarterback's room is not

869
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 3: even finalized for what it'll be entering training camp. There's

870
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: a chance the Cardinals draft a quarterback. There's a chance

871
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: having high picks that they do in every round, they

872
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: might trade back up into round one if there's another

873
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: quarterback they like that they want to take a chance

874
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 3: on to come here in this quarterback's room. The way

875
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: I look at it is if a team does not

876
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 3: have their franchise quarterback, which is fair to say at

877
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: the moment, the Cardinals do not use those efforts, use

878
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 3: that money, use that draft capital, and build as much

879
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 3: of a foundation as you can so that when the

880
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 3: time comes, ideally the following year, you will have pretty

881
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 3: much every piece you need to be successful, minus that quarterback,

882
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: and put yourself in a position to get that quarterback.

883
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you tank by being at the

884
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: top of the draft war, because this is actually a

885
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: great year where you could be number two and you

886
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 3: can need a quarterback and you might not have one available.

887
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: I'm also talking money, financially, draft space, all of the

888
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 3: aspects that come into play. This is the year to

889
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 3: build the foundation and the moves that they're making to

890
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: fortify the running backs room, the offensive line. They could

891
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 3: possibly be giving someone like Michael Wilson a contract extension

892
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: this year, right, you need to make the moves so

893
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: that you feel comfortable and ready to get a quarterback

894
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 3: in the following year.

895
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 4: I think that's all accurate. And to Paul's point, you know, again,

896
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 4: we have been through this before. When Kurt Warner retired,

897
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 4: there was a plan in place, and that got waylaid

898
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 4: real quick because Ken wizen Hunt did not believe in

899
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 4: Matt Lionard enough and moved on from him before we

900
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 4: even got to a regular season with Matt Lionard as

901
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 4: the starter. And then you're a in this purgatory where

902
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: you're searching for somebody that went all the way essentially

903
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 4: till twenty thirteen.

904
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: I mean, you basically got the Malik Willis back then

905
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, which was Kevin Copp. Yes, small sample size exactly,

906
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: bring him in.

907
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 4: You know. And again that's that's where you you know,

908
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 4: you think about these things. There's certainly no guarantees. Now,

909
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 4: I will say they kind of floated in mid range,

910
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: you know, when Kurt retired and they didn't really have

911
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 4: a plan, especially after Liner went out. I think they

912
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 4: won six games in twenty ten, which is not good,

913
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: but it was also not top of the draft. And

914
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 4: in twenty eleven and twenty twelve, twenty eleven, they started

915
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 4: one in seven I think I think it was something

916
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: like that. Yeah, and then rallied to almost finish eight

917
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 4: and eight.

918
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: And then twenty twelve they started four and oh four oh,

919
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 2: and then it went to hell then lost nine in

920
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: a row.

921
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 4: Yeah. So, like again, we're gonna see where all this goes.

922
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 4: There's no guarantees.

923
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: And you know, there are various fan bases, to Danny's point,

924
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: that are out there already with these hashtags planning for

925
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: Manning meaning meaning Arch. You don't even know that Arch

926
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: Manning is gonna pan out this year. Last year was

927
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: so all over the place, and even how do you

928
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 2: know he's going to be a resounding number one pick?

929
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say too, if you go to last year,

930
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 4: let's say July, you can find plenty of places talking

931
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 4: about how great the quarterback class was going to be

932
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: in the draft, and then we got about two months

933
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 4: into the college season.

934
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 3: I'm like, eh, not even just draft though. Look at Seattle,

935
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: look at bringing in someone like Sam Darnold, look at

936
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: until he got hurt. What's bringing in a Daniel Jones

937
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 3: did to Indianapolis. I mean, there's gonna be more than

938
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 3: one answer here. You just I like the idea of

939
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 3: building the foundation right and still working towards that goal

940
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,959
Speaker 3: and you can still be good. I mean, we look,

941
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 3: I understand. I'm not going to sit here and say

942
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: maybe Jacoby Brissette was just completely lights out every single

943
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: game and deserve to be Pro Bowl quarterback, not to

944
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 3: take away from the good he did, right, but being realistic,

945
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: it's also fair to say that we never saw a

946
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 3: game where Jacoby Brissett had a healthy offensive line or

947
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 3: he had a strong run game. Right, he was playing

948
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 3: in a very unbalanced offense, and I would love to

949
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: see what he's able to do with a healthy, strong

950
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 3: offensive line in a run game.

951
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: Look, I've been saying this in Wolf and I argue this,

952
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 2: and then I was in the car for lunch and

953
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 2: Wolf on his own radio show. I basically took my angle,

954
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: which was this the last couple of years, you go

955
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: for a quarterback who has fifty or more starts in

956
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 2: college Bo Nix, Tyler Shook. You know, they may not

957
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: have all the measurables. They have so much film out

958
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 2: there of them that you're able to poke a lot

959
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: of holes in their game. But if it's well bought,

960
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,240
Speaker 2: meaning you know where you think there's value in the draft.

961
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: Carson Beck is the name I've thrown out here in there.

962
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 4: So you like Beck better than ty Simpson for that reason.

963
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: Not necessarily. I'm not saying I've even seen enough of

964
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: both of them to like pick one over the other.

965
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm just saying that Carson Beck the beginning of the

966
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four college season was supposedly the number one

967
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,879
Speaker 2: quarterback prospect, and then he heard his elbow really late

968
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: in the season, basically forced his return. But he had

969
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: to change schools because Georgia already had succession plan. He

970
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: had to go to Miami, and then you know, he

971
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: was up and down last year. I was all over

972
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,800
Speaker 2: Carson Beck until the playoffs started. In playoffs, it wasn't

973
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 2: exactly overwhelming that he should be a first or even

974
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: a second round pick. I'm just saying there's fifty plus

975
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 2: starts there, and if you see a dude who's six'

976
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 2: five six six with the skill set and you, know

977
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: sort of like A Tyler, shuku by the end of last,

978
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: year all of a sudden he's playing some pretty good.

979
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,520
Speaker 2: Football i'm just throwing that out there that you, know

980
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 2: maybe that's part of the. Plan you just don't. KNOW i,

981
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 2: mean if at this, point as currently, Constructed jacoby were

982
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 2: Senting Gardner, minshew there's gonna be another significant addition to

983
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 2: that quarterback room between now and, camp, right whether it's

984
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: draft or, OTHERWISE i would.

985
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 3: Agree.

986
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 4: YEAH i mean this idea on a couple. Levels, one

987
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 4: this idea that they wouldn't, draft even Draft Ty simpson.

988
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 4: High and WHEN i say, HI i mean like maybe

989
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 4: trading into the late first round or their early second,

990
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 4: whatever because he's not going to be out there beyond,

991
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 4: that that wouldn't be ruled. OUT i, mean look at

992
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 4: what they're. MAKING i, think IF i recall, Correctly brissett

993
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 4: And Gardner minshew, combined our scheduled to make less than

994
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 4: eleven million dollars of base salary this. Year, now, yes

995
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,439
Speaker 4: you're going to be carrying a heavy cap hit From

996
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 4: Kyler murray. Yep but like those other two guys are

997
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 4: not preventing you from getting a rookie.

998
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 2: Quarterback here's the only thing that's interesting about A Ty,

999
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: simpson and just throw this out. There you know his

1000
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:12,439
Speaker 2: comp is Brock. Purty they're almost identical in. Measurables there's

1001
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 2: like an eighth or a half inch separating their. Height

1002
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 2: one guy weighed into two, eleven the other guy weighed

1003
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: into two. Twelve in terms of the, skill not overpowering,

1004
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 2: arms supposedly excellent anticipation and. Accuracy but there is one

1005
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: huge difference between Ty simpson and Brock, purty and that

1006
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: Is purty had forty six collegiate starts and Ty simpson

1007
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: basically had this last year fifteen.

1008
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 4: Starts and it's interesting because when you phrase it like

1009
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: all of, that you're, THINKING i, mean Brock purty was mister.

1010
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 4: Irrelevant he was the last pick and then to.

1011
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: AND i bring it up Because Mike lafleur was with

1012
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:53,080
Speaker 2: The niners when they took Brock.

1013
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 4: Purty, now, again is Ty simpson going late first early

1014
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 4: to mid second round if this was any other quarterback,

1015
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: draft probably. Not but he's gonna. Benefit just Like danny

1016
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,400
Speaker 4: was making the mention of like His Fernando, mendoza the

1017
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 4: first quarterback taken in a different, draft Ty simpson's gonna benefit.

1018
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 3: Too i'm double checking my fact on, that by the,

1019
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 3: Way And i'll be, curious what if at, all if

1020
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 3: adding a name to the quarterback room would be a

1021
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: rookie like, that in which, case if there's any, competition

1022
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 3: it would be Between brissette And. Minshew i'm dead.

1023
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: Wrong michaelaflor was gone when they took Brock. Birdy she's,

1024
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: WELL i hit that out as.

1025
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 4: Well at least he saw them up.

1026
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: Close what is the over under on my? EDITS i

1027
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: Think i'm up to three on this. One i'm, sorry

1028
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: go Ahe i'm.

1029
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 3: Sorry, okay, great IF i will, say, LOOK i like

1030
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: what we saw From, brissett and so if the signing

1031
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: ends up Being minshew as his, Backup i'm okay with.

1032
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 3: THAT i understand, that not, that not that obviously anybody's

1033
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: asking my opinion per. Se BUT i can SEE i

1034
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 3: can see the reason behind. THAT i think it could

1035
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: lead to a different discussion if there's true competition.

1036
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: There all, Right so word. Association WHEN i, Say Gardner,

1037
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: minshew what do you think of mustache?

1038
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 3: Mullets?

1039
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 2: Good, yeah the whole cut, Off.

1040
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 4: Jeene, shorts the whole aviator.

1041
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 3: Glasses sort of like.

1042
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 2: Last, year we went in thinking there was gonna be

1043
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: a Big mondo competition for inside, linebacker And Mac Wilson

1044
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: senior had decided it before the competition even. Began any

1045
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: sort of competition In cardinals camp for best, Mustache Gardner

1046
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 2: minshew already taken home the.

1047
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 4: Hardware there's a longtime comment or on my stories On

1048
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 4: azycardinals dot com who And Gardner minshew came out in

1049
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 4: the same draft As Kyler murray and he played as a.

1050
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 4: Rookie who insisted at the time That Gardner minshew was

1051
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: better Than Kyler murray and insisted at the time That

1052
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 4: Gardner minshew deserved to Win rookie of The year Over Kyler.

1053
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,240
Speaker 4: Murray AND i. Can't.

1054
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 2: So the first two years were In, jacksonville and, yes

1055
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 2: he did play as a. Rookie then he went To

1056
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: philly for two, Years indianapolis two, thousand in twenty three

1057
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 2: for a Year Pro, Bowl, yeah and they almost made

1058
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,879
Speaker 2: the playoffs With Gardner minshew right to the last two.

1059
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,839
Speaker 2: Weeks and then with The, raiders very Dysfunctional raiders team

1060
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 2: in twenty four where they had well two or three

1061
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 2: head coaches the lost. Track and then With Kansas city

1062
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 2: last year and he got into a. Game he started

1063
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: the he started The week sixteen game At. Tennessee he

1064
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: went three of eight for fifteen yards and then he got.

1065
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 3: Injured did he get hurt because his quarterback had AN

1066
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 3: acl injury and that had surgery the next. Day is that, Right?

1067
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 3: Darren did he have surgery the day?

1068
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 4: After he towards As, ya are you talking About Patrick?

1069
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:33,879
Speaker 4: Mahomes why would you do? That why would?

1070
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: You i'm just making sure my memory is SO i

1071
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: don't understand.

1072
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 4: Why you want to throw me into.

1073
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: This we'll Make darren feel better as AN asu.

1074
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 4: Guy and this Is danny going back to a trainer

1075
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 4: By osmosis thing, right what your Trainer Bias? Moss when

1076
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 4: you're talking about, yeah, yeah it goes full because IF

1077
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: i have another, Injury i'm Calling danny and, Saying, danny

1078
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 4: what DO i got?

1079
00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 2: To just check The survivor. Website THE pac, Twelve THE

1080
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 2: pac Twelve Offensive player of The year twenty Eighteen Gardner

1081
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: minshew For Washington. State and there was a game AGAINST

1082
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: u OF. A you're gonna like this as AN asu

1083
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 2: alum over, There. Darren they beat DOWN u OF a

1084
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 2: sixty nine to twenty. Eight he went forty three of

1085
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: fifty five for four to seventy, three seven, touchdowns zero.

1086
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: Picks DID i say seven touchdown passes AGAINST u OF

1087
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: a in one? Game so ask him about that when

1088
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 2: the press conference comes, around since he'll be AN asu,

1089
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 2: territory you know WHAT i, Mean so he'll he'll he'll

1090
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 2: want to flex on that. One, Right so for all

1091
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: that being the, CASE i, mean he gets a one,

1092
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,880
Speaker 2: year reported five point seventy five million dollar, deal the

1093
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 2: ability to make up to about eight million with. Incentives but,

1094
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: again we're not viewing this as a quarterback competition right

1095
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 2: now between him And, Brissette right how are we viewing?

1096
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 2: THIS i do view it As minshew is what he

1097
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: has been for about the last five, year a backup.

1098
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 3: Quarterback ORIGINALLY i would have disagreed with, that but now

1099
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 3: after kind of think about and looking through, THINGS i

1100
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 3: would agree, that, yeah that's probably what the plan is

1101
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 3: for the. Signing and, again if.

1102
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: They bring in a, Rookie Jacoby brissett might be the

1103
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: best veteran quarterback in the league to mentor a rookie

1104
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: based on what he just did With Drake.

1105
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: May no, question So i'd agree with. That, yeah all,

1106
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 3: RIGHT i will say to you real, quickly one. MOVE i,

1107
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 3: mean were either of you surprised THAT A it happened

1108
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: OR b what it took for trading two Ones vegas

1109
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: to Send Max crosby.

1110
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 2: To baltimore considering who they did the trade, with Because

1111
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: baltimore as like a thirty year track record of not

1112
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 2: partying with first round. Picks so you, KNOW i mean

1113
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: in a lot of, ways and you don't say this too,

1114
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 2: often good football move By Las vegas.

1115
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 3: When but also when you've Got Lamar jackson and you

1116
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 3: haven't been able to get over that, hump you gotta

1117
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 3: do what you got to, do really try and make

1118
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: the most of Your baltimore.

1119
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: And if you're going to win, there they're hopefully going

1120
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 4: to be later in the. ROUND i will say this

1121
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 4: for The, raiders you had a guy who didn't want

1122
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 4: to be there, anymore and to be able to get

1123
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:04,160
Speaker 4: two first for, that that's pretty.

1124
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: Impressive and look in terms of what might still be out,

1125
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 2: THERE i, Mean i'm looking at the right tackle. Market you,

1126
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: know as we talked about, Earlier Matt pryor signed most

1127
00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: recently from The. Eagles forty career starts for four different.

1128
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 2: Teams you, know he's been a career. Backup so if

1129
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 2: you're looking maybe just maybe a's still a plug and,

1130
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 2: play you, know starting caliber right. TACKLE i did see

1131
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: Where Braydon, smith who's a FAVORITE Aq shipley did. Sign

1132
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,320
Speaker 2: he signed With houston two, years twenty five, million thirteen

1133
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,839
Speaker 2: and a half guaranteed according to. Reports and as we

1134
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,959
Speaker 2: sit here right, now you Have Green bay free agent

1135
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 2: left Tackle Rashid, walker who's out there's former seventh round

1136
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 2: pick twenty twenty, two but the last three years he started,

1137
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: fifteen seventeen and sixteen. Games Kansas city offensive Tackle Juwan,

1138
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: taylor who was a cap casualty in a lot of

1139
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 2: ways because he signed that massive four, year eighty million

1140
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: dollars deal in two twenty, three had a lot of

1141
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: issues in the last, year As chiefs fans will tell,

1142
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 2: you with, penalties but he's been a starting right tackle

1143
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 2: the last three. Years and then the Veteran Taylor decker

1144
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: aged thirty three to ten year starter with The. Lions

1145
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: so he's out there as well now as free agency wears,

1146
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: on and maybe the price comes down on a few

1147
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 2: of these, VETERANS i would not be shocked if they

1148
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: bolster the old line room with the starting caliber right.

1149
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Tackle doesn't preclude you from taking the next, rookie especially

1150
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: if you're one of these veteran guys in their thirties

1151
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 2: on a one year.

1152
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: Deal that next wave might come closer to the. Draft

1153
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 3: as teams finalize their, board finalize what they would want

1154
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 3: to do in certain, situations you might see a move

1155
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 3: like that in the next couple of in the next

1156
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: couple of, weeks maybe closer to a. Month speaking of,

1157
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 3: veterans though both of you were here for the new

1158
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:49,720
Speaker 3: addition to The cardinals defensive.

1159
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 4: Staff Correct austin played some hoops with them back in the.

1160
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: Day, oh there we. Go how would you describe Coach austin's?

1161
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,439
Speaker 2: Game is he an inside? Guy is he now out side?

1162
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: Guy you? KNOW i, mean is you? Know is he

1163
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 2: one of THOSE i lethal three point? Shooters i'll take

1164
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: you off the, BLOCK i.

1165
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 4: THINK i, mean first of, all we're talking about two

1166
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 4: thousand and seven or two thousand and, Eight so number,

1167
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 4: one we're both much. OLDER i do remember one of

1168
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: the final games we. Played we ended up playing two

1169
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 4: on two and my teammate Was Todd, hayley AND i

1170
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 4: remember winning that, game AND i don't think.

1171
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: Was all that happy about, it but Because Todd ailey

1172
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 2: probably talked some serious.

1173
00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 4: Trash BUT i will say that after this officially got,

1174
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 4: Announced Adrian wilson jumped On twitter and saw, That, yeah

1175
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: tell That Terrell austin was one of the best coaches

1176
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 4: he's ever had and really really developed his game and

1177
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 4: in a lot of Ways. Adrian's adrian's game did jump

1178
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 4: in that. Timeframe so he gave it the stamp of.

1179
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 4: Approval and to bring In, austin who again at the

1180
00:57:52,120 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 4: time was a defensive backs, coach but since he's been

1181
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:59,360
Speaker 4: gone has been a three TIME nfl defensive, coordinator and

1182
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 4: you bring him in here to help With Nick, rawlis

1183
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 4: who is still on the younger. Side even though he's

1184
00:58:04,600 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 4: got three years as a defensive morning.

1185
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 2: Thirty, two he's still thirty two at least, YOU i.

1186
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: Mean VERY i think it's a huge deal to get

1187
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 4: somebody with that kind of experience on the.

1188
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 2: STAFF i mean he's worked Under Mike tomlin since twenty,

1189
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,800
Speaker 2: nineteen so that combined with his defensive coordinator, EXPERIENCE i like.

1190
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 2: IT i really. DO i like that you have an

1191
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 2: offensive head. Coach you, know that guy Was Jonathan gannon

1192
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 2: For Nick, rallis so it Is Nick rowlis Lean, On,

1193
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:37,439
Speaker 2: Well Durral austin now becomes that. Guy SO i thought

1194
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 2: that was an excellent. Move it is remarkable to think

1195
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 2: he was the DB's coach on The Super bowl team

1196
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 2: two thousand and. Eight so it'll be good to see

1197
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: him and, think think of all the knowledge and expertise

1198
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:55,240
Speaker 2: That Torral austin. Brings so that'll be. Excellent what else

1199
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 2: stood out in terms OF i don't, know headlines, happen

1200
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: you know anything else in terms of where the division

1201
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: was that you think is notable and.

1202
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 4: NEWSWORTHY i mean, AGAIN i think we've talked about the.

1203
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,560
Speaker 4: DIVISION i just think IT'S i think everybody's gonna be as.

1204
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 4: Usual everybody's going to be watching how these the quarterbacks play.

1205
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 4: Out you Mentioned kyler and where that's. Going it feels Like.

1206
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 4: Minnesota it feels Like pittsburgh's gonna Get Aaron rodgers back

1207
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 4: now that The jets are Have Geno, SMITH i. GUESS

1208
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 4: i guess The browns are going to stick with what

1209
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 4: they have right.

1210
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 3: Now they have like six.

1211
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks i'll be curious to know If Kirk cousins lands.

1212
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 2: Anywhere, yeah that's a good. One Kirk, Cousins, YES i mean.

1213
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 4: So and we'll see what. Happens you, KNOW i find

1214
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 4: it interesting by the way that That danny was just

1215
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 4: touching base On Nick rolis's agent where he is, like

1216
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 4: do you not have a birthday coming? Up? Danny?

1217
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 3: Yeah are you trying to punish me BECAUSE i brought

1218
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 3: up your your tweet around Patrickm i's getting.

1219
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 4: Surgery i'm not punishing you at. ALL i just want to.

1220
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 2: Celebrate you might want to take the oven. Man you,

1221
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: know things might be get a little warm for different.

1222
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 4: REASONS i just want TO i just want to make

1223
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 4: sure that we Wish danny happy birthday whenever that might.

1224
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 3: Happen, sure thank you for whenever that might.

1225
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 2: Happen that's, Good, okay all, Right Well i'd tell you

1226
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,480
Speaker 2: we can go down memory lane a little bit later

1227
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: in terms Of kyler and he becomes. Official but it

1228
01:00:33,160 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 2: is interesting to, see like if you had to pick

1229
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 2: one play that the national, media like everyone picks the

1230
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 2: two point conversion against The, raiders everyone picks The Hail,

1231
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 2: Murray but, like there's so many other plays and we'll

1232
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,640
Speaker 2: just wrap it with, this maybe pick. One the ONE

1233
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: i came across or remembered recently was The week two

1234
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: beatdown of The rams forty one ten twenty twenty, four

1235
01:00:55,160 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 2: and the third touchdown of the game was in scrambling

1236
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 2: around buying Time Jared verse system, twice so Like wolf

1237
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 2: telling the stories of how you Missed Dion sanders on

1238
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 2: a return three times on the same, return and Then

1239
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: kyler throws what ends up being essentially a no look

1240
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 2: back of the end zone sliding touchdown catch By Elijah.

1241
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 3: HIGGINS i might have to really think on this and

1242
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 3: have a true solid answer outside of that two point,

1243
01:01:18,680 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 3: conversion because that's where my mind goes, first and have

1244
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 3: a better answer for you next week WHEN i can

1245
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 3: kind of look back at some film off the top

1246
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 3: of my. Head and maybe this is recency bias because

1247
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 3: With rond Deel moore's, passing this was a clip that

1248
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,440
Speaker 3: kind of came, out But kyler threw a beautiful pass

1249
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:38,120
Speaker 3: right on the. Sideline it was an incredible catch By Rondo.

1250
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 3: MOORE i believe it might have been against the forty

1251
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 3: nine ers at, home and then it's not so much the,

1252
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 3: play BUT i remember at home against The. Jets this

1253
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 3: might have been twenty twenty. Four was that And cardinals

1254
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,600
Speaker 3: are in The cardinals are are the wrench, Place cardinals

1255
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 3: are in the red, zone and out of, Nowhere kyler

1256
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 3: just has his socks knocked. Off his helmet comes off

1257
01:02:02,160 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 3: on that. Sack right he gets, Up he's. Unshaken very next,

1258
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: play touchdown.

1259
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 4: PASS I the ONE i remember Is tennessee opening week

1260
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. ONE i forget it. Was it was whatever

1261
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 4: and long And kyler is moving all around the. Pocket

1262
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 4: he moves, up he moves, back he starts to, run he, backpedals,

1263
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 4: stops and then flat footed hits the Late Rondelle moore

1264
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 4: for like an eighteen yard. Game if you to, me

1265
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 4: that's the Quintessential kyler, play even more than any of

1266
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: his runs because he ended up throwing the, ball but

1267
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 4: he bought himself enough.

1268
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 3: Time i'm shocked you guys didn't. GO i, MEAN i

1269
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 3: wasn't working for the team yet BECAUSE i started in

1270
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty. One i'm surprised and not if you went

1271
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 3: with the hail, murray, Well.

1272
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 2: I'm just saying everybody says that gets, That, yeah that

1273
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: gets a lot of. Love SO i WAS i was,

1274
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 2: saying just going, beyond, okay the hail murray or the.

1275
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 3: Two, Pots and Maybe i'll have a better answer for

1276
01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: you next, week so.

1277
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 2: We'll talk more about. That but, yeah The week one

1278
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 2: At tennessee is always remembered For Chandler jones and the five,

1279
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 2: Sacks But. CARDINALS i just looked it. Up the final

1280
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: score was thirty eight.

1281
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 4: Thirteen kyler had like four touchdown passes AND i think

1282
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 4: he might have run one, in but that. Passed the

1283
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: rundown was. Ridiculous, okay all.

1284
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 2: Right ridiculous always a good word to end on. Here

1285
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,440
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