WEBVTT - 8. Welcome to the Sh*tshow

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<v Speaker 1>Kami, Ready Chi.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Massimo Romagnoli, an Italian Politicianino Right now, Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>is barreling down a European motorway inside a luxury sedan

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<v Speaker 2>with a brown leather interior. He's driving through Switzerland wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a sport coat and sunglasses. Massimo thanks this Taylor as

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<v Speaker 2>he shows off his bespoke button down shirt. It's white

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<v Speaker 2>with red pinstripes. It's nice. Everyone tells me that I

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<v Speaker 2>look very fine, Massimo says, an Italian I was complimented

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<v Speaker 2>throughout Switzerland for this beautiful shirt. Massimo Romannoli lives the

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<v Speaker 2>good life. I know this because Massimo wants me to

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<v Speaker 2>know it, and he wants you to know it too.

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo promotes himself in videos on social media. He projects

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<v Speaker 2>an image of success. In one video, Massimo is standing

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<v Speaker 2>on a train station platform in Paris wearing a top hat,

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<v Speaker 2>a black coat and a suit. He's on his way

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<v Speaker 2>to Brussels for business with the European Union. Massimo Romagnoli,

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<v Speaker 2>He's the perfect man to help Flavio complete his arms deal.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Trevor Aronson from Western Sound and iHeart Podcast. This

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<v Speaker 2>is Alphabet Boys, Episode eight. Welcome to the shit show.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want any expose Anty. Is now my business

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<v Speaker 3>to expose Anty is to present the evidence. And you

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<v Speaker 3>ask the government to protect lives or to do whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you have to do, just do it. I do not

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<v Speaker 3>even want to know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've asked Flavio George Escu about his meeting at the

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<v Speaker 2>Marriott in Romania with Christian Juan and One's College Diego,

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<v Speaker 2>the meeting you heard about in the last episode. Flavio

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<v Speaker 2>says he isn't the guy on those recordings. That was

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<v Speaker 2>an act, Flavio playing the part of an arms dealer

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<v Speaker 2>so that he could collect information for the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a journalist like you. You expose myself. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not a journalist. I was thinking of and have the

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<v Speaker 3>feeling I'm gonna do something for the country, something like amazing.

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<v Speaker 3>You are a journalist. Okay, I take you right now

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<v Speaker 3>in Bronx. We live together. We go in Bronx and

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<v Speaker 3>I put you some drug dealers to make a deal

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<v Speaker 3>on some drugs and let them know you're gonna buy

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<v Speaker 3>three hundred kilo of cocaine. Play that role. I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 3>if you have the courage, come with me tonight. We're

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<v Speaker 3>gonna find some people on the street and let them

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<v Speaker 3>know what you want to buy. With your face, with

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<v Speaker 3>your attitude, with your voice, with your words. I'm telling

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<v Speaker 3>you just say goodbye, because you're not gonna come back.

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<v Speaker 3>This is what's happened myself. I educate so much and

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<v Speaker 3>I prepare so much. Everybody saw those videos. They were

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<v Speaker 3>so proudub on me. They said, man, you are an

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<v Speaker 3>arm dealer.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio, according to his story, is trying to map out

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<v Speaker 2>an entire network, the people running the arms factory, the

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<v Speaker 2>people who give them fake documents, everybody. Once he has

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<v Speaker 2>all the information, he'll contact the CIA and hand over everything,

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<v Speaker 2>just like he used to do when he assisted FBI

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<v Speaker 2>agents in Las Vegas. At the end of the meeting

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<v Speaker 2>in Romania, Flavio and Christian tell the Colombians that they

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<v Speaker 2>will secure a document needed to ship the weapons, the

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<v Speaker 2>end user certificate, and they have a guy for that.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be voicing the part of Massimo Romagnoli.

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<v Speaker 2>That's Elio Pagano, a voice actor. I had communicated with

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo over email, and at one point we had made

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<v Speaker 2>tentative plans for an interview in Brussels, but Massimo backed out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those plans without much explanation. Here's what he wrote

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<v Speaker 2>to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not interested to talk about my past anymore. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>focused only to my future.

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<v Speaker 2>So Massimo, like Christian.

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<v Speaker 5>Remember I'm an actor and I'm voicing Christian.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be voiced by an actor. Massimo's words are his

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<v Speaker 2>and Christian's words are his. Everything you'll hear comes verbatim

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<v Speaker 2>from court testimony. Anyway, with that explained, let's get back

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<v Speaker 2>to the story.

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<v Speaker 6>I was friends with mister Massimo Romanioli and at his

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<v Speaker 6>level he was not involved in any arm deills, but

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<v Speaker 6>he was having a lot of knowledge and a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of co nations.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio had met Massimo through a mutual friend because that

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<v Speaker 2>friend thought they might want to do business together. Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>began his career running a transport company and working as

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<v Speaker 2>a lobbyist and salesman for defense companies. He was eventually

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<v Speaker 2>elected to Italy's parliament, and Massimo became a high ranking

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<v Speaker 2>official in the Forza Italian political party after the party

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<v Speaker 2>leader became Italy's Prime Minister. That leader was Silvio Berlusconi

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<v Speaker 2>com Vitaro Bungo. In twenty eleven, Massimo's political career took

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<v Speaker 2>a big hit after Berlusconi resigned following a sweeping scandal

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<v Speaker 2>over the so called Bunga Bunga parties, which made international news.

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<v Speaker 5>The details of this case are tawdry to put a mildly.

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<v Speaker 7>Ah, that's correct. They point to basically call girls being

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<v Speaker 7>hired to perform at these after dinner parties in the

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<v Speaker 7>so called Bunga Bunga room, where some of them, for instance,

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<v Speaker 7>dressed up as Obama and engaged in sort of semi

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<v Speaker 7>erotic fondling of one another for the pleasure of it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, I've not found any information to suggest

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo was involved in these sex parties, but the controversy

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<v Speaker 2>upended his political ambitions. Massimo then pushed forward in a

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<v Speaker 2>career that kept one foot in the halls of government

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<v Speaker 2>and the other in the corporate boardroom. He worked in

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<v Speaker 2>the defense industry, specifically an Italian company manufacturing military aircraft.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how Massimo came to know Flavio over a potential

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<v Speaker 2>interest in selling ankle monitoring bracelets to European governments. They

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<v Speaker 2>sat down together in Romania in June twenty fourteen.

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<v Speaker 4>I was with mister Flavio Georgesco at meeting about the

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<v Speaker 4>elettronic bracelet project in his office in Bucharest, and I

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<v Speaker 4>asked him whether he could introduce me to someone from

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<v Speaker 4>the Ministry of Defense, and mister Flavio Georgescu kindly introduced

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<v Speaker 4>me to mister Kristen Vintila.

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<v Speaker 2>On September twenty sixth, twenty fourteen, three days after the

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<v Speaker 2>Marriot meeting with the Colombians, Flavio meets Massimo in Bucharest

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<v Speaker 2>for dinner at a restaurant owned by celebrity chef Joseph Hadad.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as Massimo is concerned, this dinner was a

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<v Speaker 2>thank you Flavio. Ever, the connected guy had helped the

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<v Speaker 2>daughter of one of Massimo's friends get into a Romanian university,

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<v Speaker 2>but Flavio had something else on his agenda.

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<v Speaker 6>Then I said, you know, I can't use him to

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<v Speaker 6>give his.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Massimo.

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<v Speaker 4>After dinner we went in the car, and in the

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<v Speaker 4>car we discussed this deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio tells Massimo about the armsteal that he and Christian

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<v Speaker 2>are negotiating with the Colombians. Massimo knows arms dealers in Europe,

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<v Speaker 2>so Flavio asks him, can you help us obtain an

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<v Speaker 2>end user certificate. Massimo agrees to look into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>then he pulls his phone from his pocket. He wants

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<v Speaker 2>to show Flavio something.

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<v Speaker 4>I showed him, the picture of a pistol that I

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<v Speaker 4>received a few days earlier. I received it from a

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<v Speaker 4>Greek arms dealer.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're an American, this might not seem like a

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<v Speaker 2>big deal. Massimo has a handgun, so what. But keep

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<v Speaker 2>in mind it's exceedingly rare to have a gun in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Most European Union nations prohibit the possession of handguns. So

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<v Speaker 2>by showing Flavio this picture, Massimo is proving he has connections. Later,

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<v Speaker 2>Masimo gets back to Flavia with good news. Massimo says

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<v Speaker 2>that he has a contact in Germany who could arrange

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<v Speaker 2>for an end users certificate from Ethiopia. Here's what Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>says to Flavio.

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<v Speaker 4>But as German contact, he's telling me that the attached

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<v Speaker 4>end users certification is an end user certification which is

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<v Speaker 4>accepted all over the Balkans, and that the direction of

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<v Speaker 4>transport of the goods must be from the country of

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<v Speaker 4>a region to Ethiopia, and then from Ethiopia it can

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<v Speaker 4>go to other countries.

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<v Speaker 2>To other countries. Massimo means the weapons could then be

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<v Speaker 2>rerouted from Ethiopia to Colombia or wherever. Massimo also has

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<v Speaker 2>a price you can quote.

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<v Speaker 4>The end user would cost between thirty and sixty thousand euros.

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<v Speaker 2>The next day, Flavio calls one with an update.

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<v Speaker 3>You have to come through Montenegos to discuss with your friends,

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<v Speaker 3>because I have everything right.

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<v Speaker 8>Now in my head.

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<v Speaker 2>I have everything in my hand right now, meaning the

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<v Speaker 2>end user certificate.

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<v Speaker 3>I have everything ready to go.

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<v Speaker 8>How about transformation everything? You have to come over there?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, I really appreciate that you called me that this

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<v Speaker 8>sounds it's good news. Let me tell you something.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, if you if you come right now with

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<v Speaker 3>your friend, it's your friend. If you come right now,

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<v Speaker 3>we shut up the final details.

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<v Speaker 2>Two weeks later, everyone will meet to set up the

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<v Speaker 2>final details in Montenegro. More after the break, outside the

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<v Speaker 2>door of Juan's condo in Colorado, the place where I

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<v Speaker 2>left a note for him was a Matt welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>the shit show. It read one the DEA's informant has

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<v Speaker 2>never responded to my efforts to contact him, so really,

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<v Speaker 2>the only quote from him that I have is this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to the shit show. And it's really the perfect quote,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what Flavio's arms deal is. A shit show.

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<v Speaker 2>So One and his fellow DEA informant, Diego, fly to

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<v Speaker 2>Montenegro to finalize the deal with Flavio. But apparently they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't specify which city in Montenegro, so One assume they'd

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<v Speaker 2>meet in the capitol.

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<v Speaker 3>Which city you are right now?

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<v Speaker 8>City? Yeah, because I am warned, n.

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<v Speaker 1>One no, and on the.

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<v Speaker 8>On the capitol of this place.

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<v Speaker 5>What Monica?

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<v Speaker 8>What the name is?

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<v Speaker 3>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>One is in Paga Riza, the capital of Montenegro. Flavio, Massimo,

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<v Speaker 2>and Christian are in Tivat, a coastal town near the

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<v Speaker 2>Adriatic Sea, a two hour drive from Pagarza.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, what the people the.

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<v Speaker 7>Region?

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<v Speaker 8>No, listen, listen the Ramada, I mean Ramada already I

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<v Speaker 8>told you your name, okay, Uh, I like, I already

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<v Speaker 8>have a set up to meet with you, have a

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<v Speaker 8>room and all that so we can meet. Don't make

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<v Speaker 8>me go nowhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Because this Flavio tells One that he needs him to

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<v Speaker 2>drive to Tivat, but One isn't having it in all.

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<v Speaker 8>Honestly, you know, I always I always kind of follow.

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<v Speaker 8>What did you say just this point. I don't wanna

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<v Speaker 8>move from here. First of all, it's three freaking uh

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<v Speaker 8>Columbias over here on a on a weird town. You

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<v Speaker 8>guys need to come over here. I flew all the

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<v Speaker 8>way here from South America. We haven't slept for two

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<v Speaker 8>and thirty hours, so you need so yes, we're going

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<v Speaker 8>to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>And we meet here something the next day. One acquiesces

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<v Speaker 2>once again to Flavio shit show. One doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>jeopardize the thing.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't scare my people, That's what I'm saying. Okay, we're

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<v Speaker 8>gonna talk. We're gonna talk the way when you're supposed

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<v Speaker 8>to talk.

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<v Speaker 3>I go to the lowy.

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<v Speaker 8>We talked, and we went to the navy, agreed, and

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<v Speaker 8>we went to the bottom of the business and we

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<v Speaker 8>get it done over with, so we can go to

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<v Speaker 8>the next step. That's very important. It's not enough time to.

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<v Speaker 6>Be right.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't worry, Flavia says, Okay, be happy. So a Dea

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<v Speaker 2>agent one and two colleagues drive out to a waterfront

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<v Speaker 2>hotel in Tea. There they can see a sweeping view

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<v Speaker 2>of love Chen Mountain, a national park in Montenegro. The

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<v Speaker 2>Dea agent starts the recording device as they pull up

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<v Speaker 2>to the hotel. He refers to one and two other

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<v Speaker 2>informants by the acronym CS for confidential source.

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<v Speaker 1>The time is twelve forty two pm local Montenegro time.

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<v Speaker 1>Data's October eight, twenty fourteen is his meeting between CS one,

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<v Speaker 1>two and three in Flavio, Georgescu, christ John in two

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<v Speaker 1>unknown males.

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<v Speaker 2>Happening leaving the agent behind. One and his two colleagues

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<v Speaker 2>walk into the hotel. Diego, the informant from the previous meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>is with one again. The third man is named Jorge.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio meets them in the lobby.

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<v Speaker 3>He's going, yeah, Alice.

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<v Speaker 4>His.

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<v Speaker 2>Oops. Diego and Jorge refer to Wan as Alex. Remember

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<v Speaker 2>Wuan's real name is Alex Diaz, but Flavio, Christian and

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo don't notice a slip.

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<v Speaker 3>Up than you. YEA one morning, Alex is going to hear.

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<v Speaker 2>The men head to the conference room. There are six

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<v Speaker 2>of them, Flavio, Christian, Massimo, Juan, and Juan's colleagues Diego

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<v Speaker 2>and Jorge. They all sit down at a conference table.

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<v Speaker 2>There are bottles of sparkling water and crafts of coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>US okay, which find did the end user? The gentlemen

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<v Speaker 3>provided us the ford, the impmentation.

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<v Speaker 2>This gentleman provided us with all the documentation. Flavio is

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<v Speaker 2>referring to Massimo when we hit we have that's Massim know.

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<v Speaker 2>Speaking in its rough English, he says the end user

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<v Speaker 2>certificate can be ready as early as tomorrow. Flabo explains

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<v Speaker 2>that the document must be issued along with a list

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<v Speaker 2>of the weapons being shipped, so it cannot be produced

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<v Speaker 2>until the final order is made to the arms factory.

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<v Speaker 3>As the list the goods which you needed, we produce

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<v Speaker 3>the document. The document cannot be.

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<v Speaker 8>Produced before I understand that how can you produce documents

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<v Speaker 8>which we didn't know your.

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<v Speaker 2>The conversation then transitions from the end user certificate to

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<v Speaker 2>the list the weapons and quantities the Colombians want to buy.

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<v Speaker 2>One is translating for Diego.

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<v Speaker 8>Most important is to know is when can we get started?

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<v Speaker 8>When can we get going?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>No, okay, can you see that? What do you need?

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<v Speaker 8>The list?

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<v Speaker 3>Quit?

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<v Speaker 2>The Colombians say that they want to purchase Soviet designed

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<v Speaker 2>anti aircraft cannons that mount on a trailer, a system

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<v Speaker 2>known as a ZU twenty three. Diego wants as many

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<v Speaker 2>as fifty of.

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<v Speaker 3>Them, just veniente fifty is good fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>And Diego also wants AK forty seven assault rifles, a

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<v Speaker 2>type of rifle produced all over the world and in

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<v Speaker 2>many variations. Diego says he doesn't care what variation, he

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<v Speaker 2>just wants AK forty Seven's the other informant, Porge translates

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<v Speaker 2>for him, he was saying for.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, it doesn't matter really what exactly the numeration is,

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<v Speaker 3>what the model really is.

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<v Speaker 5>What matters swamis really is the eight K models.

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<v Speaker 2>Then one refers Flavio to the list of weapons he's

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<v Speaker 2>put together, which also includes rocket propelled grenade launchers, sniper rifles, pistols,

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<v Speaker 2>and ammunition on.

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<v Speaker 8>That list, can you produce the whole list?

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<v Speaker 4>There?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, here's a thing mhm.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio tells the Colombians that they can ship the weapons

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<v Speaker 2>within two weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>So sad.

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<v Speaker 8>How much money we're talking about. The sooner the better,

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<v Speaker 8>So we kind of judge the money's here, all.

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<v Speaker 2>The weapons the Colombians want, it's millions of dollars worth. Flavio,

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<v Speaker 2>Christian and Massimo explained that they'll have to return to

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<v Speaker 2>them with an exact price once they have the order.

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<v Speaker 2>Form from the factory. That's the next and final step.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's something they haven't told the Colombians. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually have a factory lined up. In other words, the

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<v Speaker 2>ship shows still in effect. That's after the break.

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<v Speaker 3>The factory was closed twenty five years ago. Was nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>There was just a damage. You ruin something looks like

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<v Speaker 3>twenty five years ago. Crossed.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Flavio and here's the other Romanian present for

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<v Speaker 2>the deal, Christian Ventilla, who's being voiced by an actor.

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<v Speaker 5>We crossed the factory which was almost abandoned, so basically

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<v Speaker 5>we couldn't see anything but old machines which were not

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<v Speaker 5>working anymore, and we didn't see any stock of anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio and Christian are describing a weapons factory in Albania.

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo's contact from Germany, a guy named Gerardo Tanga, suggested

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<v Speaker 2>that they travel here to inspect the weapons. So Flavio, Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo and Gerardo flu the Toronto, the Albanian capital, and

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<v Speaker 2>then drove three hours to this arms factory. Remember their

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<v Speaker 2>time is limited. They promised the Colombians they'd have a

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<v Speaker 2>contract in hand within two weeks. Gerardo told the men

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<v Speaker 2>that he represents the Albanian factory, and this factory should

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<v Speaker 2>be able to supply everything on the Colombians list. But

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<v Speaker 2>when they get there, it's not exactly as described. The

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<v Speaker 2>shelves are nearly empty. The only weapons the factory has

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<v Speaker 2>available are some rifles, which aren't even the kind the

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<v Speaker 2>Colombians want to buy. Flavio is stunned. He approaches Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>on the weapons factory floor.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a bit upset because we didn't see anything

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<v Speaker 4>of those weapons. Mister Giorgesco himself told me, what did

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<v Speaker 4>you make me come to Albani for just to see

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<v Speaker 4>one rifle.

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<v Speaker 2>Masimo is enraged that Gerardo had misled them about the

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<v Speaker 2>weapons factory. He walks up to Gerardo and slaps them

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<v Speaker 2>across the face.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody was nervous and anxious because we basically didn't see anything.

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<v Speaker 2>For decades following the fall of the Soviet Union, Eastern

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<v Speaker 2>Europe was the world's supermarket for black market arms, a

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<v Speaker 2>place where military, great hardware and high level corruption could

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<v Speaker 2>be found in abundance. But that changed in February twenty

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen when Russia invaded Crimea in Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 7>To what America is officially calling a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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<v Speaker 7>Russian troops spreading out throughout the strategic Crimean peninsula.

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<v Speaker 2>The arms market in Eastern Europe suddenly faced a demand shock.

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<v Speaker 2>Russian and Ukrainian weapons factories were only producing weapons for

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<v Speaker 2>their own forces as a result of the widening war,

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<v Speaker 2>and other nearby countries ordered their factories to stockpile weapons

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<v Speaker 2>for a possible Russian invasion. So Flavio, Christian and Massimo,

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<v Speaker 2>having promised the Colombians that they could deliver weapons, discover

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<v Speaker 2>that their options are limited. Gerardo, the slapped Albanian factory representative,

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<v Speaker 2>suggests that the three men travel to Serbia to go

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<v Speaker 2>to another factory. He claims to represent that factory will

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<v Speaker 2>have what they need. He claims again, Christian.

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<v Speaker 5>It was decided that we are not going to travel

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<v Speaker 5>to Serbia because Gerardo Tanga could not assure us that

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<v Speaker 5>is not going to happen again what happened in Albania.

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<v Speaker 2>The four dejected men drive back to Albania's capital. Flavio

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<v Speaker 2>and Christian decide to follow up on a lead Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>receives he hears that a weapons factory in Bulgaria could

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<v Speaker 2>fill their order. So Flavio and Christian make the grueling

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<v Speaker 2>eight hour drive from Sophia, the Bulgarian capital, in a

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<v Speaker 2>rented Mercedes SUV. Flavio's feeling the pressure, Flavio had arranged

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<v Speaker 2>another meeting with Juan and the other Colombians in less

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<v Speaker 2>than a week.

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<v Speaker 5>He was feeling very bad because the meeting with the

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<v Speaker 5>Colombians was supposed to be it was set up for

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<v Speaker 5>five days later, and he wouldn't have anything in hand

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<v Speaker 5>at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>This factory in Bulgaria is their last chance. The company

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<v Speaker 2>is called Bulgarian Industrial Engineering and Management, more commonly known

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<v Speaker 2>by the acronym BEAM b EM. The factory is run

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<v Speaker 2>by a man named Peter Manchukov, a former Communist era

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<v Speaker 2>security official turned oligarch with business interests in media, finance, wine,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah weapons. Manchukov and his company BEAM were were

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<v Speaker 2>both mentioned in US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ten. American diplomats describe BEAM as being connected to quote,

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<v Speaker 2>organized crime and gray arms trafficking. In twenty fifteen and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen, for example, Beam shipped more than two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>Serbian made machine guns to Saudi Arabia. Two investigative journalism

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<v Speaker 2>organizations in Europe later discovered that those weapons were diverted

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<v Speaker 2>to Syria, where the Saudi supported rebels and a bloody

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<v Speaker 2>civil war. So Flavio and Christian get a meeting with

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Manchukov, and Flavio's impressed by him.

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<v Speaker 3>He was really proficient and really nice person.

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<v Speaker 2>And Manchukov agrees to sell them twenty ZU twenty three

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<v Speaker 2>anti aircraft cannons with three hundred thousand rounds of ammunition,

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<v Speaker 2>grenade launchers, rifles, and pistols, a deal worth more than

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen million dollars. But Manchukov has a condition, they must

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<v Speaker 2>the deal within a couple of weeks because of the

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<v Speaker 2>war in Ukraine. Man Chukov has leverage. Here's Christian.

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<v Speaker 5>They have all the products in stock, but they were

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<v Speaker 5>pressuring us from the point of view of timing. At

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<v Speaker 5>that time on the weapons market, it was very big

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<v Speaker 5>demand on very little supply. So basically the Bulgarians were

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<v Speaker 5>making us a favor letting us buy those weapons.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio and Christian agreed to man Chukov's demand for a

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<v Speaker 2>quick sale. After all, it doesn't seem like that should

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<v Speaker 2>be a problem. They have a meeting with Juan in

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<v Speaker 2>Montenegro in just a few days to sign the contract

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<v Speaker 2>and transfer the money. At this point, if you're inclined

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<v Speaker 2>to believe Flavio's story, He's close to mapping out the

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<v Speaker 2>entire supply chain for how the Colombians could obtain their

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<v Speaker 2>weapons the information he promised to deliver to the CIA,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think it's worth pointing out that up to

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<v Speaker 2>this point, Flavio hasn't received any money from one. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio is paying out of pocket all of his and

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<v Speaker 2>Christians travel expenses around Europe. But Flavio apparently does talk money.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, he and Masimo devise a plan, which

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<v Speaker 2>Manchukov reportedly agrees to, in which they'll mark up the

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<v Speaker 2>prices of the weapons and the contract. Manchukov's company would

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<v Speaker 2>then pay the difference between his price and the marked

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<v Speaker 2>up price to Flavio, Christian and Massimo as a consulting fee.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Massimo.

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<v Speaker 4>For example, if a weapons price was ten thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>we would ask him to indicate the price as being

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<v Speaker 4>fifteen thousand, and then when the money would come in

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<v Speaker 4>for him at fifteen thousand, he was supposed to give

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<v Speaker 4>us back the difference between the fifteen thousand he got

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<v Speaker 4>in the original ten thousand, that is five thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>That profit would be millions of dollars split among them.

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<v Speaker 2>So how are we supposed to interpret what Flavio does here.

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<v Speaker 2>Does he devise this scheme because he hopes to make

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<v Speaker 2>that money and the CIA call is just a cover

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<v Speaker 2>in case he gets caught. Or does Flavio come up

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<v Speaker 2>with this for appearance's sake so that Christian and Massimo

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<v Speaker 2>would understand how they would get paid and as a

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<v Speaker 2>result not get suspicious that Flavio might be up to

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<v Speaker 2>something else, like say, working for the US government. Flavio,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, maintains the latter that he was creating the

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<v Speaker 2>trappings of a real deal to protect his secret operation.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impossible to prove or disprove this because in the end,

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<v Speaker 2>the arms deal doesn't actually happen. On a cold evening

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<v Speaker 2>in December twenty fourteen, Flavio and Christian are a hotel

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<v Speaker 2>room in Montenegro's capital, Pa Garza. One's there as scheduled.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio has in his hands the contract from the Bulgarian

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<v Speaker 2>arms manufacturer.

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<v Speaker 5>We showed them the contract, this is what Christian says,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I show them the catalog from the memoristic

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<v Speaker 5>on my laptop.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio believes that has worked here is nearly finished.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I show him the contract. I was pushing to

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<v Speaker 3>sign the contract. Christiano wis try to show him things

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<v Speaker 3>on his laptop, some specification, anything, but for me is

0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 3>just to put his signature and just leave me alone

0:28:39.000 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 3>because I want to get out and that's it. I'm done.

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<v Speaker 2>But one doesn't sign the contract. He says he has

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<v Speaker 2>to call Columbia to obtain final approval from his posses.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, I have to talk with my people.

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<v Speaker 2>One walks out of the hotel room. Minutes later, DEA

0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 2>agents storm it. They arrest Flavio and Christian on the spot.

0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:12.920
<v Speaker 2>Flavio motions to a DEA agent and says he needs

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<v Speaker 2>to use the bathroom. Standing in the bathroom with the agent,

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio tells him I work for the CIA.

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<v Speaker 3>Said, I call it this center for CIA. Just called

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<v Speaker 3>them in. They were going to confirm you.

0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>But there in that hotel bathroom, the DEA agent isn't

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>buying any of this spy story spun by a handcuffed

0:29:35.720 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Romanian standing next to a toilet in Montenegro. He thinks

0:29:41.320 --> 0:29:45.080
<v Speaker 2>it's a desperate story from an international arms dealer who's

0:29:45.200 --> 0:29:49.280
<v Speaker 2>just been caught and is about to do years in prison.

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<v Speaker 2>What would a guy like you, trying to sell millions

0:29:53.040 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 2>of dollars in weapons to terrorists be doing with the

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<v Speaker 2>Central Intelligence Agency?

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<v Speaker 3>So we don't care about it. You are too many

0:30:00.680 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 3>movies with James Bond. This is not true. This is you.

0:30:04.280 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 3>We know about you. And I said, you're wrong. I said,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what, make some fonk course, this is who

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:15.040
<v Speaker 3>I am. Now if you tell us you make this

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<v Speaker 3>whole game by yourself and you are not another dealer,

0:30:18.040 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 3>and you don't know what should do what's going on,

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<v Speaker 3>you're crazy. It's no such a way, you know what

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 3>you'd do. I said, okay, whatever, And they said, call

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.320
<v Speaker 3>call Massimo because we want that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo. Massimo hadn't come to Montenegro for the meeting, and

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<v Speaker 2>the DEA wants to lure him to the country so

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<v Speaker 2>that federal agents can arrest him.

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<v Speaker 5>There.

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<v Speaker 2>Agents were apparently concerned about trying to extradate Massimo from Italy,

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<v Speaker 2>where he has political influence. Flavio agrees to help with

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo's arrest, no strings attached. According to his story, Lavio

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<v Speaker 2>believes he's playing on the same team as the DEA agents,

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<v Speaker 2>so why would he ask for strings. So Flavio calls

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<v Speaker 2>Massimo and he tells him that there's been a change

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<v Speaker 2>in plans. The money is here in hand, Massimo. You

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<v Speaker 2>need to come to Montenegro right away to pick up

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<v Speaker 2>your share. Massimo says he'll fly in the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>Flavio looks over at the DEA agent.

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<v Speaker 3>And on the end, when I finished the conversation, I

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<v Speaker 3>hang up the phone with him and I said, fuck him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's in the next episode. This is up in arms,

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