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Speaker 1: Kami, Ready Chi.

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Speaker 2: This is Massimo Romagnoli, an Italian Politicianino Right now, Massimo

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Speaker 2: is barreling down a European motorway inside a luxury sedan

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Speaker 2: with a brown leather interior. He's driving through Switzerland wearing

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Speaker 2: a sport coat and sunglasses. Massimo thanks this Taylor as

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Speaker 2: he shows off his bespoke button down shirt. It's white

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Speaker 2: with red pinstripes. It's nice. Everyone tells me that I

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Speaker 2: look very fine, Massimo says, an Italian I was complimented

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Speaker 2: throughout Switzerland for this beautiful shirt. Massimo Romannoli lives the

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Speaker 2: good life. I know this because Massimo wants me to

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Speaker 2: know it, and he wants you to know it too.

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Speaker 2: Massimo promotes himself in videos on social media. He projects

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Speaker 2: an image of success. In one video, Massimo is standing

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Speaker 2: on a train station platform in Paris wearing a top hat,

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Speaker 2: a black coat and a suit. He's on his way

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Speaker 2: to Brussels for business with the European Union. Massimo Romagnoli,

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Speaker 2: He's the perfect man to help Flavio complete his arms deal.

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Speaker 2: I'm Trevor Aronson from Western Sound and iHeart Podcast. This

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Speaker 2: is Alphabet Boys, Episode eight. Welcome to the shit show.

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Speaker 3: I don't want any expose Anty. Is now my business

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Speaker 3: to expose Anty is to present the evidence. And you

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Speaker 3: ask the government to protect lives or to do whatever

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Speaker 3: you have to do, just do it. I do not

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Speaker 3: even want to know.

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Speaker 2: I've asked Flavio George Escu about his meeting at the

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Speaker 2: Marriott in Romania with Christian Juan and One's College Diego,

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Speaker 2: the meeting you heard about in the last episode. Flavio

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Speaker 2: says he isn't the guy on those recordings. That was

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Speaker 2: an act, Flavio playing the part of an arms dealer

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Speaker 2: so that he could collect information for the CIA.

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Speaker 3: I'm not a journalist like you. You expose myself. I'm

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Speaker 3: not a journalist. I was thinking of and have the

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Speaker 3: feeling I'm gonna do something for the country, something like amazing.

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Speaker 3: You are a journalist. Okay, I take you right now

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Speaker 3: in Bronx. We live together. We go in Bronx and

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Speaker 3: I put you some drug dealers to make a deal

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Speaker 3: on some drugs and let them know you're gonna buy

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Speaker 3: three hundred kilo of cocaine. Play that role. I'm telling you,

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Speaker 3: if you have the courage, come with me tonight. We're

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Speaker 3: gonna find some people on the street and let them

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Speaker 3: know what you want to buy. With your face, with

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Speaker 3: your attitude, with your voice, with your words. I'm telling

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Speaker 3: you just say goodbye, because you're not gonna come back.

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Speaker 3: This is what's happened myself. I educate so much and

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Speaker 3: I prepare so much. Everybody saw those videos. They were

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Speaker 3: so proudub on me. They said, man, you are an

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Speaker 3: arm dealer.

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Speaker 2: Flavio, according to his story, is trying to map out

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Speaker 2: an entire network, the people running the arms factory, the

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Speaker 2: people who give them fake documents, everybody. Once he has

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Speaker 2: all the information, he'll contact the CIA and hand over everything,

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Speaker 2: just like he used to do when he assisted FBI

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Speaker 2: agents in Las Vegas. At the end of the meeting

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Speaker 2: in Romania, Flavio and Christian tell the Colombians that they

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Speaker 2: will secure a document needed to ship the weapons, the

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Speaker 2: end user certificate, and they have a guy for that.

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Speaker 4: I'll be voicing the part of Massimo Romagnoli.

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Speaker 2: That's Elio Pagano, a voice actor. I had communicated with

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Speaker 2: Massimo over email, and at one point we had made

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Speaker 2: tentative plans for an interview in Brussels, but Massimo backed out.

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Speaker 2: Of those plans without much explanation. Here's what he wrote

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Speaker 4: I'm not interested to talk about my past anymore. I'm

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Speaker 4: focused only to my future.

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Speaker 2: So Massimo, like Christian.

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Speaker 5: Remember I'm an actor and I'm voicing Christian.

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Speaker 2: We'll be voiced by an actor. Massimo's words are his

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Speaker 2: and Christian's words are his. Everything you'll hear comes verbatim

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Speaker 2: from court testimony. Anyway, with that explained, let's get back

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Speaker 2: to the story.

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Speaker 6: I was friends with mister Massimo Romanioli and at his

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Speaker 6: level he was not involved in any arm deills, but

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Speaker 2: Flavio had met Massimo through a mutual friend because that

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Speaker 2: friend thought they might want to do business together. Massimo

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Speaker 2: began his career running a transport company and working as

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Speaker 2: a lobbyist and salesman for defense companies. He was eventually

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Speaker 2: elected to Italy's parliament, and Massimo became a high ranking

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Speaker 2: official in the Forza Italian political party after the party

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Speaker 2: com Vitaro Bungo. In twenty eleven, Massimo's political career took

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Speaker 2: over the so called Bunga Bunga parties, which made international news.

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Speaker 5: The details of this case are tawdry to put a mildly.

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Speaker 7: Ah, that's correct. They point to basically call girls being

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Speaker 7: dressed up as Obama and engaged in sort of semi

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Speaker 2: To be clear, I've not found any information to suggest

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Speaker 2: Massimo was involved in these sex parties, but the controversy

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Speaker 2: upended his political ambitions. Massimo then pushed forward in a

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Speaker 2: and the other in the corporate boardroom. He worked in

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Speaker 2: the defense industry, specifically an Italian company manufacturing military aircraft.

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Speaker 2: That's how Massimo came to know Flavio over a potential

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Speaker 2: interest in selling ankle monitoring bracelets to European governments. They

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Speaker 2: sat down together in Romania in June twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 4: I was with mister Flavio Georgesco at meeting about the

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Speaker 4: elettronic bracelet project in his office in Bucharest, and I

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Speaker 4: asked him whether he could introduce me to someone from

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Speaker 4: the Ministry of Defense, and mister Flavio Georgescu kindly introduced

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Speaker 4: me to mister Kristen Vintila.

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Speaker 2: On September twenty sixth, twenty fourteen, three days after the

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Speaker 2: Marriot meeting with the Colombians, Flavio meets Massimo in Bucharest

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Speaker 2: for dinner at a restaurant owned by celebrity chef Joseph Hadad.

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Speaker 2: As far as Massimo is concerned, this dinner was a

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Speaker 2: thank you Flavio. Ever, the connected guy had helped the

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Speaker 2: daughter of one of Massimo's friends get into a Romanian university,

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Speaker 2: but Flavio had something else on his agenda.

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Speaker 6: Then I said, you know, I can't use him to

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Speaker 2: Here's Massimo.

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Speaker 4: After dinner we went in the car, and in the

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Speaker 4: car we discussed this deal.

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Speaker 2: Flavio tells Massimo about the armsteal that he and Christian

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Speaker 2: are negotiating with the Colombians. Massimo knows arms dealers in Europe,

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Speaker 2: so Flavio asks him, can you help us obtain an

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Speaker 2: end user certificate. Massimo agrees to look into it, and

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Speaker 2: then he pulls his phone from his pocket. He wants

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Speaker 2: to show Flavio something.

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Speaker 4: I showed him, the picture of a pistol that I

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Speaker 4: received a few days earlier. I received it from a

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Speaker 4: Greek arms dealer.

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Speaker 2: If you're an American, this might not seem like a

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Speaker 2: big deal. Massimo has a handgun, so what. But keep

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Speaker 2: in mind it's exceedingly rare to have a gun in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Most European Union nations prohibit the possession of handguns. So

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Speaker 2: by showing Flavio this picture, Massimo is proving he has connections. Later,

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Speaker 2: Masimo gets back to Flavia with good news. Massimo says

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Speaker 2: that he has a contact in Germany who could arrange

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Speaker 2: for an end users certificate from Ethiopia. Here's what Massimo

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Speaker 2: says to Flavio.

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Speaker 4: But as German contact, he's telling me that the attached

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Speaker 4: end users certification is an end user certification which is

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Speaker 4: accepted all over the Balkans, and that the direction of

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Speaker 4: transport of the goods must be from the country of

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Speaker 4: a region to Ethiopia, and then from Ethiopia it can

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Speaker 4: go to other countries.

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Speaker 2: To other countries. Massimo means the weapons could then be

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Speaker 2: rerouted from Ethiopia to Colombia or wherever. Massimo also has

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Speaker 2: a price you can quote.

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Speaker 4: The end user would cost between thirty and sixty thousand euros.

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Speaker 2: The next day, Flavio calls one with an update.

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Speaker 3: You have to come through Montenegos to discuss with your friends,

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Speaker 3: because I have everything right.

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Speaker 8: Now in my head.

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Speaker 2: I have everything in my hand right now, meaning the

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Speaker 2: end user certificate.

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Speaker 3: I have everything ready to go.

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Speaker 8: How about transformation everything? You have to come over there?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 8: Well, I really appreciate that you called me that this

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Speaker 8: sounds it's good news. Let me tell you something.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you if you come right now with

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Speaker 3: your friend, it's your friend. If you come right now,

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Speaker 2: Two weeks later, everyone will meet to set up the

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Speaker 2: final details in Montenegro. More after the break, outside the

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Speaker 2: door of Juan's condo in Colorado, the place where I

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Speaker 2: left a note for him was a Matt welcome to

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Speaker 2: the shit show. It read one the DEA's informant has

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Speaker 2: never responded to my efforts to contact him, so really,

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Speaker 2: the only quote from him that I have is this one.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the shit show. And it's really the perfect quote,

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Speaker 2: because that's what Flavio's arms deal is. A shit show.

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Speaker 2: So One and his fellow DEA informant, Diego, fly to

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Speaker 2: Montenegro to finalize the deal with Flavio. But apparently they

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Speaker 2: didn't specify which city in Montenegro, so One assume they'd

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Speaker 2: meet in the capitol.

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Speaker 3: Which city you are right now?

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Speaker 8: City? Yeah, because I am warned, n.

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Speaker 1: One no, and on the.

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Speaker 8: On the capitol of this place.

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Speaker 5: What Monica?

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Speaker 8: What the name is?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 2: One is in Paga Riza, the capital of Montenegro. Flavio, Massimo,

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Speaker 2: and Christian are in Tivat, a coastal town near the

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Speaker 2: Adriatic Sea, a two hour drive from Pagarza.

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Speaker 6: Okay, what the people the.

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Speaker 7: Region?

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Speaker 8: No, listen, listen the Ramada, I mean Ramada already I

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Speaker 8: told you your name, okay, Uh, I like, I already

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Speaker 8: have a set up to meet with you, have a

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Speaker 8: room and all that so we can meet. Don't make

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Speaker 2: Because this Flavio tells One that he needs him to

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Speaker 2: drive to Tivat, but One isn't having it in all.

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Speaker 8: Honestly, you know, I always I always kind of follow.

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Speaker 8: What did you say just this point. I don't wanna

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Speaker 8: move from here. First of all, it's three freaking uh

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Speaker 8: Columbias over here on a on a weird town. You

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Speaker 8: guys need to come over here. I flew all the

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Speaker 8: way here from South America. We haven't slept for two

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Speaker 8: and thirty hours, so you need so yes, we're going

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Speaker 2: And we meet here something the next day. One acquiesces

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Speaker 2: once again to Flavio shit show. One doesn't want to

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Speaker 8: Don't scare my people, That's what I'm saying. Okay, we're

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Speaker 8: gonna talk. We're gonna talk the way when you're supposed

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Speaker 3: I go to the lowy.

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Speaker 8: We talked, and we went to the navy, agreed, and

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Speaker 8: we went to the bottom of the business and we

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Speaker 8: get it done over with, so we can go to

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Speaker 8: the next step. That's very important. It's not enough time to.

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Speaker 6: Be right.

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Speaker 3: Happy.

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Speaker 2: Don't worry, Flavia says, Okay, be happy. So a Dea

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Speaker 2: of love Chen Mountain, a national park in Montenegro. The

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Speaker 2: Dea agent starts the recording device as they pull up

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Speaker 2: informants by the acronym CS for confidential source.

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Speaker 1: The time is twelve forty two pm local Montenegro time.

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Speaker 1: Data's October eight, twenty fourteen is his meeting between CS one,

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Speaker 1: two and three in Flavio, Georgescu, christ John in two

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Speaker 2: Happening leaving the agent behind. One and his two colleagues

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Speaker 2: Flavio meets them in the lobby.

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Speaker 3: He's going, yeah, Alice.

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Speaker 2: Oops. Diego and Jorge refer to Wan as Alex. Remember

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Speaker 2: Wuan's real name is Alex Diaz, but Flavio, Christian and

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Speaker 3: Up than you. YEA one morning, Alex is going to hear.

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Speaker 2: The men head to the conference room. There are six

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Speaker 2: There are bottles of sparkling water and crafts of coffee.

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Speaker 3: US okay, which find did the end user? The gentlemen

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Speaker 3: provided us the ford, the impmentation.

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Speaker 2: This gentleman provided us with all the documentation. Flavio is

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Speaker 2: referring to Massimo when we hit we have that's Massim know.

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Speaker 2: Speaking in its rough English, he says the end user

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Speaker 2: certificate can be ready as early as tomorrow. Flabo explains

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Speaker 2: that the document must be issued along with a list

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Speaker 2: until the final order is made to the arms factory.

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Speaker 3: As the list the goods which you needed, we produce

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Speaker 3: the document. The document cannot be.

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Speaker 8: Produced before I understand that how can you produce documents

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Speaker 8: which we didn't know your.

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Speaker 2: The conversation then transitions from the end user certificate to

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Speaker 2: the list the weapons and quantities the Colombians want to buy.

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Speaker 2: One is translating for Diego.

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Speaker 8: Most important is to know is when can we get started?

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Speaker 8: When can we get going?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 3: No, okay, can you see that? What do you need?

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Speaker 8: The list?

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Speaker 3: Quit?

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Speaker 2: The Colombians say that they want to purchase Soviet designed

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Speaker 2: anti aircraft cannons that mount on a trailer, a system

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Speaker 2: known as a ZU twenty three. Diego wants as many

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Speaker 3: Them, just veniente fifty is good fifty.

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Speaker 2: And Diego also wants AK forty seven assault rifles, a

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Speaker 2: many variations. Diego says he doesn't care what variation, he

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Speaker 2: just wants AK forty Seven's the other informant, Porge translates

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Speaker 3: Him, it doesn't matter really what exactly the numeration is,

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Speaker 5: What matters swamis really is the eight K models.

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Speaker 2: Then one refers Flavio to the list of weapons he's

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Speaker 2: put together, which also includes rocket propelled grenade launchers, sniper rifles, pistols,

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Speaker 8: That list, can you produce the whole list?

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Speaker 4: There?

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Speaker 3: Yes, here's a thing mhm.

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Speaker 2: Flavio tells the Colombians that they can ship the weapons

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Speaker 3: So sad.

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Speaker 8: How much money we're talking about. The sooner the better,

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Speaker 8: So we kind of judge the money's here, all.

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Speaker 2: The weapons the Colombians want, it's millions of dollars worth. Flavio,

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Speaker 2: Christian and Massimo explained that they'll have to return to

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Speaker 2: Form from the factory. That's the next and final step.

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Speaker 2: But there's something they haven't told the Colombians. They don't

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Speaker 2: actually have a factory lined up. In other words, the

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Speaker 3: The factory was closed twenty five years ago. Was nothing.

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Speaker 3: There was just a damage. You ruin something looks like

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Speaker 2: This is Flavio and here's the other Romanian present for

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Speaker 5: We crossed the factory which was almost abandoned, so basically

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Speaker 5: we couldn't see anything but old machines which were not

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Speaker 2: Flavio and Christian are describing a weapons factory in Albania.

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Speaker 2: then drove three hours to this arms factory. Remember their

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Speaker 2: time is limited. They promised the Colombians they'd have a

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Speaker 2: be able to supply everything on the Colombians list. But

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Speaker 4: He was a bit upset because we didn't see anything

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Speaker 2: Masimo is enraged that Gerardo had misled them about the

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Speaker 5: Everybody was nervous and anxious because we basically didn't see anything.

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Speaker 2: For decades following the fall of the Soviet Union, Eastern

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Speaker 7: To what America is officially calling a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: The arms market in Eastern Europe suddenly faced a demand shock.

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Speaker 2: having promised the Colombians that they could deliver weapons, discover

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Speaker 5: It was decided that we are not going to travel

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Speaker 5: is not going to happen again what happened in Albania.

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Speaker 2: The four dejected men drive back to Albania's capital. Flavio

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Speaker 2: receives he hears that a weapons factory in Bulgaria could

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Speaker 5: He was feeling very bad because the meeting with the

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Speaker 2: This factory in Bulgaria is their last chance. The company

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Speaker 2: by a man named Peter Manchukov, a former Communist era

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Speaker 2: twenty ten. American diplomats describe BEAM as being connected to quote,

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Speaker 2: organized crime and gray arms trafficking. In twenty fifteen and

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Speaker 2: Serbian made machine guns to Saudi Arabia. Two investigative journalism

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Speaker 2: organizations in Europe later discovered that those weapons were diverted

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Speaker 3: He was really proficient and really nice person.

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Speaker 2: And Manchukov agrees to sell them twenty ZU twenty three

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Speaker 2: anti aircraft cannons with three hundred thousand rounds of ammunition,

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Speaker 2: grenade launchers, rifles, and pistols, a deal worth more than

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Speaker 2: fourteen million dollars. But Manchukov has a condition, they must

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Speaker 5: They have all the products in stock, but they were

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Speaker 2: Flavio and Christian agreed to man Chukov's demand for a

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Speaker 2: quick sale. After all, it doesn't seem like that should

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Speaker 2: and I think it's worth pointing out that up to

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Speaker 2: Flavio is paying out of pocket all of his and

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Speaker 2: At some point, he and Masimo devise a plan, which

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Speaker 2: Here's Massimo.

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Speaker 4: For example, if a weapons price was ten thousand dollars,

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Speaker 2: That profit would be millions of dollars split among them.

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Speaker 2: So how are we supposed to interpret what Flavio does here.

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Speaker 2: Does he devise this scheme because he hopes to make

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to prove or disprove this because in the end,

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Speaker 2: Flavio has in his hands the contract from the Bulgarian

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Speaker 5: We showed them the contract, this is what Christian says,

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Speaker 2: Flavio believes that has worked here is nearly finished.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I show him the contract. I was pushing to

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Speaker 3: just to put his signature and just leave me alone

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Speaker 3: because I want to get out and that's it. I'm done.

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Speaker 2: But one doesn't sign the contract. He says he has

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Speaker 3: He said, I have to talk with my people.

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Speaker 2: to use the bathroom. Standing in the bathroom with the agent,

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Speaker 2: Flavio tells him I work for the CIA.

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Speaker 3: Said, I call it this center for CIA. Just called

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Speaker 3: them in. They were going to confirm you.

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Speaker 2: But there in that hotel bathroom, the DEA agent isn't

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Speaker 2: buying any of this spy story spun by a handcuffed

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Speaker 2: Romanian standing next to a toilet in Montenegro. He thinks

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Speaker 2: it's a desperate story from an international arms dealer who's

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Speaker 2: just been caught and is about to do years in prison.

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Speaker 2: What would a guy like you, trying to sell millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars in weapons to terrorists be doing with the

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Speaker 2: Central Intelligence Agency?

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Speaker 3: So we don't care about it. You are too many

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Speaker 3: movies with James Bond. This is not true. This is you.

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Speaker 3: We know about you. And I said, you're wrong. I said,

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Speaker 3: you know what, make some fonk course, this is who

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Speaker 3: I am. Now if you tell us you make this

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Speaker 3: whole game by yourself and you are not another dealer,

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Speaker 3: and you don't know what should do what's going on,

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Speaker 3: you're crazy. It's no such a way, you know what

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Speaker 3: you'd do. I said, okay, whatever, And they said, call

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Speaker 3: call Massimo because we want that one.

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Speaker 2: Massimo. Massimo hadn't come to Montenegro for the meeting, and

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Speaker 2: the DEA wants to lure him to the country so

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Speaker 2: that federal agents can arrest him.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: Agents were apparently concerned about trying to extradate Massimo from Italy,

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Speaker 2: where he has political influence. Flavio agrees to help with

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Speaker 2: Massimo's arrest, no strings attached. According to his story, Lavio

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Speaker 2: believes he's playing on the same team as the DEA agents,

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Speaker 2: so why would he ask for strings. So Flavio calls

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Speaker 2: Massimo and he tells him that there's been a change

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Speaker 2: in plans. The money is here in hand, Massimo. You

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Speaker 2: need to come to Montenegro right away to pick up

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Speaker 2: your share. Massimo says he'll fly in the next day.

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Speaker 2: Flavio looks over at the DEA agent.

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Speaker 3: And on the end, when I finished the conversation, I

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Speaker 3: hang up the phone with him and I said, fuck him.

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Speaker 2: That's in the next episode. This is up in arms,

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Speaker 2: season two of Alphabet Boys. Alphabet Boys is a production

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Speaker 2: of Western Sound n iHeart Podcasts. The show is reported,

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Speaker 2: on Twitter or Instagram at Trevor Aronson. The show's instagram

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