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Speaker 3: He has a chance for reinsavement.

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Speaker 2: He can apply in twenty twenty six, but for now,

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Speaker 2: MLB fired umpire Pat Hoburg after he was sharing a

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Speaker 2: The friend stays over at his place twenty to thirty

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Speaker 2: times a year. Hoburg made five hundred and twenty nine bets,

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Speaker 2: And then they didn't find any connection with Pat placing

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Speaker 2: So we find out Pat's been sharing an account with

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Speaker 2: They would communicate on a super shady messaging app, although

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Speaker 2: do like drug deals and stuff like that. I know

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Speaker 2: it well, it's where like international terrorists communicate. And then

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Speaker 2: they deleted all of that. So with that said, age

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Speaker 1: M let's dig into you, Scott. Why are you, lady,

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Speaker 2: Wait, let's dig into me. I would never download that crap. No,

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Speaker 4: You just said you use it? Rewind He said he

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Speaker 4: knows about it. He said, I didn't use it, Dude.

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Speaker 3: I would never. I would never touch that crap.

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Speaker 2: I know about it, though, and I didn't want to

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Speaker 4: Oh you have a friend that uses it for you?

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Speaker 4: Got it? Okay? Sounds sounds like Pat Hoberg.

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Speaker 3: You're making don't bet on baseball.

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Speaker 4: Don't bet on baseball. That's it.

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Speaker 1: This is why Pete Rose can't get in the Hall

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Speaker 1: My biggest question, this whole thing, this makes sense. Why

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Speaker 1: Why is he sharing an account? Why would you share

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Speaker 2: They didn't see any influence in the eight games where

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Speaker 2: And even if you're just doing non baseball stuff, sounds

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Speaker 2: lines up with not knowing a law. You know, you

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that people can be misconstrued.

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Speaker 4: it's clear as day you cannot be involved with it

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Speaker 2: And the reason you would share is potentially because you're

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Speaker 1: But you've got to make sure that you're you got

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Speaker 1: you can't. This is just a chance you can't take.

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Speaker 1: We all have to make choices in our life. We

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Speaker 4: I just you can't bet on baseball. Just stop it.

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Speaker 4: Everyone says Pete Rolls should be in the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 4: You cannot bet on baseball because it can manipulate the game.

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Speaker 4: We just saw a thing with the NBA. Rosier was

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Speaker 1: Right now they're investing gating some college things from it,

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Speaker 4: It gets affected.

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Speaker 1: So don't have people on your account and don't bet

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Speaker 4: It's not that hard.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you learned your house to a friend

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Speaker 2: And also why do more of these stories pop up

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Speaker 3: But it was good. It was good, all right.

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Speaker 3: So we talked on it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, if I give you my car, Scott, and

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Speaker 4: Do with it.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know. You just asked me to bar

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Speaker 4: Well, you were the one in the car with it,

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Speaker 4: So you know what I what I say a long

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Speaker 4: It's not okay.

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Speaker 3: That's right. My shirt says it. It's not okay.

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Speaker 2: So we'll leave everyone with this AJ Can I borrow

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Speaker 4: Hey, I don't know. You will borrow a car. You

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Speaker 3: I'm a known car bar. It's true. You're driving sticks

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Speaker 4: You can't drive it. You can't drive stick.

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Speaker 4: You can't know. Every kid should know how to drive stick,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how we got to this, but this

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Speaker 3: You don't have to know sick.

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Speaker 3: But if I learned it by the time I see

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Speaker 2: People will do them during the breaks because they're a

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Speaker 2: little bit baby, but they're still important. Tim Hill signs

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Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six, he was Dynamite for the Yankees,

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Speaker 4: Right, that will that will stick. I don't know about

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Speaker 2: We all know there was a lot of group think

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Speaker 1: It's not as good as Tony LaRusso walking Will Smith,

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Speaker 2: This was a world series. Tim Hill's a good picture.

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Speaker 3: And quick poll results here too, how do you show

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Speaker 2: You guys won five on one hand, three on the

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Speaker 4: Double fours unless you're Alfon Seka, then you do this one.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said.

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Speaker 4: That's what he said.

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Speaker 3: That's what he said. Dealer's choice on this one. Are

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Speaker 4: Then?

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Speaker 2: Edmunds on these two quotes that popped? Okay, let's go

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Speaker 2: with Jerry Depoto first. We've been following the Mariners quotes

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Speaker 2: from yesterday last night, he said, it's been a pretty

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Speaker 2: And you know, we feel great about our farm system,

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Speaker 2: it's one thing to say we've got work to do,

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Speaker 2: We've got some weaknesses. But yeah, how do you do

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you how the Mariners do it. Now we're perfect.

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Speaker 2: We didn't do anything this offseason besides bring on Donovan

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: I did like the Arosearina pick up last year at

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Speaker 3: But that's it.

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Speaker 2: That's how you fix the Mariners offense. Worst batting average

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Speaker 2: let's dive into the quote. AJ why say it in

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Speaker 3: Because mass are losing their minds with pitchforks and you

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Speaker 3: have to be a company man.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and they brought in Kevin Sitzer, Kratz's favorite hitting coach,

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Speaker 4: of It's going to be amazing. But let me just

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Speaker 1: Plus, he's the GM, he put the team together. He

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Speaker 1: Every team goes into the season saying we got a

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I'll even here from the Marlins this year.

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Speaker 1: You'll hear from the White Sox this year. You'll hear

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Speaker 1: taking steps in the right direction. Well, the next step

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Speaker 1: take the next step? We talk about all the time.

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Speaker 1: You spend some money. Guess what when you're not allowed

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Speaker 1: to spend money? Guess what you have to do? You

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Speaker 1: have to say the company line that we're pretty good,

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Speaker 1: and if you're the GM, you have to try to

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Speaker 1: believe it. So good luck to the Mariners. Good luck

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Speaker 1: to the Mariners. Fans can't wait to see how this

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Speaker 1: They do have the makings of a really good team.

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Speaker 1: them up from Triple A. They've done an incredible job

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Speaker 1: you look at the you look at the starting you

436
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Speaker 1: know the starting nine. Oh man, you got a all

437
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: star catcher, all star capable catcher and in cal Raley,

438
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: hitting dingers, great defense behind the plate. JP Crawford stays healthy, awesome,

439
00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: Julio Roriguez, we know what he can do, what he

440
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: has done. So you're solid up the middle. But don't

441
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Speaker 1: don't sit here and say you have a solid team.

442
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,760
Speaker 1: That is, you know, a playoff team. Yes, those dudes

443
00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 1: are anchoring this team. Add to them, add to them.

444
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 1: I wonder if Jerry Depoto calls Michael Isason is like, hey,

445
00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,680
Speaker 1: if you don't add I won't add. Like, we'll just

446
00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of stay with how it is and it'll be cool.

447
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: Will suppress salaries for a long time. We've created this,

448
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,760
Speaker 1: we've created this dynasty, and we can stay right around

449
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Speaker 1: fifty four percent.

450
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Speaker 4: All right. I just want to know this.

451
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Speaker 1: If they're so set with their roster, why is Castillo

452
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Speaker 1: on the trade block? Why is he the name that

453
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: we keep hearing? If their their roster is so perfect

454
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: and they don't, why would you even think about trading Castia,

455
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 1: the guy who's been your opening day starter and has

456
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Speaker 1: been your number one for a while. If everything is

457
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: so sid then why would you trade them to try

458
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Speaker 1: to get bats and try to get younger and all

459
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,680
Speaker 1: this like that doesn't make sense. Try to save money

460
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: so you can go out and sign people. If your

461
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Speaker 1: roster's perfect, you should have just sat back like this,

462
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Speaker 1: and I brought in Donovan Solano and said, we're gonna

463
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Speaker 1: win the World Series. We're gonna bring the exact same

464
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Speaker 1: team we brought back last year that didn't make the playoffs,

465
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna win the World Series.

466
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Speaker 2: The approach that's being taken to mess with fans right

467
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Speaker 2: now is maybe arrogance, maybe ignorance, but definitely not nice

468
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Speaker 2: and fuzzy.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't get it, Like I understand the

471
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Speaker 2: restrictions I've also been very very strong in pointing out

472
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Speaker 2: that you need to do something when you're not even

473
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Speaker 2: a playoff team. You can't just roll out the same roster.

474
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Speaker 2: So that's one issue. But then the way that you're

475
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Speaker 2: describing why you are not acting at all is true arrogance.

476
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Speaker 2: He is right about one thing. Their farm systems in

477
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Speaker 2: good shape right now. They've got one of the better

478
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Speaker 2: ranked farm systems. Baseball America's coming out with their team

479
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,360
Speaker 2: rankings tomorrow, so I'm excited to see where they rank.

480
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Speaker 2: They will definitely be top ten, maybe top five, maybe

481
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Speaker 2: even top three. But still, it's just a weird quote Kratz,

482
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Speaker 2: and it screams I've said this before, and now I

483
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Speaker 2: have to say it differently because we've had a strategy

484
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Speaker 2: session about it. But it's just like, how does a

485
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Speaker 2: group get in a room and say, hey, this is

486
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Speaker 2: how we're going to approach it, instead of saying that

487
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Speaker 2: we have budget constraints and we can't add let's this

488
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Speaker 2: time just tell everyone we have the perfect roster already

489
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: and see what happens. Does he think that fans are dumb?

490
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm like, I'm really trying to get inside the

491
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Speaker 2: psychology of how this makes sense, Like this, this is

492
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Speaker 2: the exact way to just take tons and tons of

493
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Speaker 2: wood and just chuck it into a fire and just

494
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Speaker 2: let it rage all over the fan base.

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Speaker 4: I think, I think what AJ said is exactly what's

496
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Speaker 4: going on. We're eight days from spring training, We're eight

497
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Speaker 4: days from pitchers and catchers. A lot of guys are

498
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Speaker 4: already down there. Sometimes I think these people in the

499
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 4: organization I was, I was guilty of it on different teams.

500
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Speaker 4: I played on of drinking the kool aid. I feel

501
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Speaker 4: like AJ was a much better evaluator of like, I

502
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 4: don't know man, like we suck like and I was

503
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 4: I was more in the realm of like, doesn't matter.

504
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 4: We're gonna go out and win raw and it doesn't

505
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Speaker 4: mean that one of us was right or wrong. It's

506
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Speaker 4: just a matter of, like, we are so close. They

507
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Speaker 4: built all their projections, they say, this is what's going

508
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 4: to happen. We'd love where we're at. They're just blinded

509
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 4: and they're like focused just in that way, and they're

510
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 4: just blinded to the fact that they didn't hit the ball.

511
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Speaker 4: They strike out a ton in a park that doesn't

512
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 4: even reward you for hitting the ball that far because

513
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:22,320
Speaker 4: it suppresses homers too. So to me, you're like, oh,

514
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Speaker 4: we're gearing up almost a week away, let's go.

515
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a really tough look.

516
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Speaker 2: And speaking of spring training, actually, I do want to

517
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Speaker 2: get to this story for a couple of minutes. Jim

518
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: Edmonds is on the outs with the Cardinals. He said,

519
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Speaker 2: I haven't really gone down in spring training the last

520
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Speaker 2: couple of years. It's not fun anymore.

521
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Speaker 3: They don't make you feel like you're wanted indoors in

522
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: the inner inner circle.

523
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Speaker 2: It's just not the same. It's not the same organization.

524
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Speaker 2: It's not fun to be around. They make it pretty obvious.

525
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: Even the security guards like, hey, you know, it might

526
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: not be a good time.

527
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Speaker 3: I'm like, fine with me.

528
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Speaker 2: I don't need to be in there, you know, I

529
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Speaker 2: don't if you don't want me to tell you pictures

530
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: that they're tipping their pictures or this guy's pulling off.

531
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Speaker 2: And I don't really give to bleeps about it. Jim

532
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: Edmonds talking about the current state of the Cardinals, What

533
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: do you guys think about this in relation to the Cardinals.

534
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Speaker 2: Knowing Jim, who also is is definitely you know, a

535
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Speaker 2: strong personality and a straight shooter, and that can be

536
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Speaker 2: tough for certain people to take.

537
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Speaker 3: What do you think, agent it's been around, He just

538
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 3: comes across.

539
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Speaker 1: It comes across a little bit better because he's not back, right,

540
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but he's not back.

541
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Speaker 4: They didn't invite him back. He's not back on the

542
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 4: broadcast I saw, and I get it. It's tough, but yeah,

543
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Speaker 4: I mean, listen, teams have changed.

544
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Speaker 1: It's not the old style of bringing the old guys

545
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Speaker 1: and let them teach the young guys. It's oh, we

546
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Speaker 1: have a machine that can tell us better than the

547
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Speaker 1: guy that actually stood in the box.

548
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Speaker 4: Okay.

549
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Speaker 1: And that's where I think the disconnect has come from

550
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Speaker 1: organizations and if you're not going to jump on the

551
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Speaker 1: on the on the bandwagon of analytics, analytics, analytics, analytics, analytics,

552
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Speaker 1: and the Cardinals are criticized forever for not using enough analytics,

553
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: and now they're jumping on that bandwagon. It's a tough

554
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: it's a tough thing to do, and you have to

555
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: understand that you have to be able to roll with

556
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Speaker 1: the punches and do certain things. And I don't know,

557
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: I like Jim. I think he was a hell of

558
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,680
Speaker 1: a player. He was a cardinal guy. After getting over there,

559
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: he became the cardinal. Fans loved him. He knows a

560
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: lot about the game. It's a shame that they don't.

561
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Speaker 1: You know, this is true that they didn't use them

562
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Speaker 1: the way that he thought he should be used.

563
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Speaker 4: I wonder how long this was boiling for him. I

564
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,080
Speaker 4: wonder if this was like just this year he went

565
00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 4: down there. Because they're kind of transitioning over and I've

566
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 4: seen some new gms come in. I've seen some new

567
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 4: you know, just be bop. You know, some baseball operations

568
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 4: guys come in and say, hey, I want to shift

569
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: back to bringing some guys in to me. And this

570
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 4: might hit Aja a little bit harder than other people.

571
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Speaker 4: If you want a World Series with an organization, you

572
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 4: have to have a longer leash for like if you

573
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: made somebody mad, Like, you know what it's like to

574
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 4: win in that city, and that is valuable whether or

575
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 4: not you are like, oh, analytics or all old school

576
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: whatever it is. You can't create. You can't create you know,

577
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: separation in the in the clubhouse or in the organization.

578
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 4: But you know what it's like to win there. You

579
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 4: know what it's like to win with that uniform on

580
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 4: and as bad as a White Sox have been. Like

581
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,120
Speaker 4: a guy like AJ who's won as a White Sox

582
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 4: and his whole team, all his teammates, those guys should

583
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 4: be around. Same thing with Jim Edmunds. He had success

584
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 4: in Saint Louis and to me, they should be around.

585
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 4: Maybe they should be top to too, because you know

586
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 4: if they get too bitter, But I just think they

587
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 4: should be around. They should be around the guys to

588
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 4: help them create a winning environment.

589
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 2: Can I present a counterpoint because I've done some homework

590
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Speaker 2: on this, I've been told that some teams are great

591
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 2: with this, some teams suck with this, and most teams

592
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,679
Speaker 2: are in the middle, and that they would love certain

593
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 2: vets involved with certain things and other vets in more

594
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: with say the fans or with other players. The example

595
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 2: would be if there's a former player who has a

596
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 2: very very different philosophy or is even talking down about

597
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: something that's being taught to a player that goes against

598
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Speaker 2: the coaching staff, and then coaching staff and manager, who

599
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: also often is former player, gets involved and it gets

600
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Speaker 2: a little bit tricky. Not saying this is the particular

601
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: situation here, but Aj, if you're a really good organization.

602
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Speaker 3: You probably have twenty.

603
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: Guys that are a big part of your past, not

604
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: every single one is the correct choice to be coaching

605
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 2: your players.

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00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 1: Agree, different people should have different roles in the organization.

607
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: And listen, coming from somebody that was let go by

608
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Speaker 1: a team they won the World Series with me for

609
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 1: you know, not being fully on board with what they

610
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: were doing, I understand this, and you know we're all

611
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: entitled to our opinion. And listen, guys, teams do things

612
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: the way teams will do because you know what the

613
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: end they teams have all the power.

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00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 4: Just lucky for me, I have some other forum, foul

615
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 4: Territory to give my exactly.

616
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 2: You will not be restrained. For Jim, we'll see where

617
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: he pops up. Actually, for Cardinals fans, you can learn

618
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: more about this story with Katie Wu and Trevor Rosenthal

619
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: should be really good on this topic too, as of

620
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: course a former Cardinals player, So make sure you check

621
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 2: out Cardinal Territory with former Cards closer Trevor Rosenthal and

622
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: the Athletics Katie Wu Park of the Epic Yes Break.

623
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Speaker 4: I will say this, I played for the Cardinals for

624
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: half a year. They were incredible about bringing former Cardinals back.

625
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 4: I mean it was every day there was somebody back.

626
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: I mean it was like, I mean, you look at

627
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: what they have now. They have all a marmal manager.

628
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: Didn't they bring dev Descalso they brought back John Jay.

629
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Speaker 4: I mean they have Every coach was like a former

630
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 4: Cardinal had some affiliation to the Cardinals. I mean, they're

631
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 4: one of the great organizations about doing this. So it's

632
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 4: just weird to see somebody as great as Jim Edmonds.

633
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Speaker 4: You have to say something like this because the Cardinals

634
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 4: are one of the best teams I was around as

635
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Speaker 4: far as alumni relationships.

636
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Speaker 2: Bingos so to me sounds like more to the story

637
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: dot com. All right, A Jay, do you remember this

638
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: story from Last Break?

639
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 3: You got it for us?

640
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 4: Felix's sixth finger.

641
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Felix Felix so Felix Rodriguez. If people don't know, he's

642
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: a pitcher. He pitched for the Giants.

643
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Speaker 4: He played for the Giants when I was on he

644
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 4: had he had a little finger, like I mean, it

645
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: was tiny, it was like this, it was like this

646
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 4: thing literally, but it stuck out on his hand right here, right.

647
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 4: So he had a little finger. And he told me

648
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Speaker 4: this Now, I don't know if this is true or not,

649
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 4: so people in the chat or tw on Twitter. He

650
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Speaker 4: told me, as a kid, he cut it off and

651
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Speaker 4: it grew back. He had one on each hand and

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Speaker 4: he literally tried to cut him off and he grew back.

653
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's what he told me. Could be true, could not

655
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Speaker 1: be true. I love Fifi. He was one of my

656
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 1: favorite teammates of all time. He's funny as hell through

657
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: one pitch and had a great career. But he told me,

658
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: as a kid, he cut him off and they grew back.

659
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: He did manipulate the baseball.

660
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Speaker 4: How was it going toplate? The baseball is down here? Shot?

661
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: It was like, yeah, I don't know.

662
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: He had a weird thing with his glove because sometimes

663
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Speaker 1: his glove.

664
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Speaker 4: Would irritated, so he had to like kind of position

665
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: his glove a certain way.

666
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Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen that, have you ever?

667
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 4: I don't think that's a real choice. I think it's

668
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 4: a real story. I think he lied to you. That's fine,

669
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 4: he lied to me.

670
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm just relaying then I was lied to, But I'm

671
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: just telling you that's what he told me, because I said,

672
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Speaker 1: why don't you go in and get it cut off,

673
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: and he said, I tried as a kid.

674
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: That came back, and I don't again, I don't know.

675
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: I just say, I don't think it's like a haircut.

676
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: But he probably could have done it again if that

677
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: was the case, and it wouldn't grow back the next day.

678
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm just telling you. I'm just telling you.

679
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: I don't know. I listen.

680
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: One thing I'll tell you is I'll tell you the

681
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: true stories that were told to me. They may be true,

682
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: they may not be true, but they were told to

683
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: me by somebody. And this one was told to me

684
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: from the guy's mouth, his own mouth. So yeah, probably

685
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 1: not true, but worth a good story.

686
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 2: The sixth finger part, though, is true. And it wasn't,

687
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: you know, a prosthetic or something that was added on

688
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 2: you just you had it.

689
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: You didn't have an extra finger stuck right here out

690
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 4: of his just for looks. I mean, it was a real,

691
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: but it was tiny.

692
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: It was like this big and like super skinny.

693
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: People do wild things via surgery these days, but no,

694
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: that was real. That was organic, But great story. I've

695
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 2: never actually seen someone with the sixth finger, so I

696
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: was interested to hear about that. But it does sound

697
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: like if you really didn't want it, you could probably

698
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: remove it since you don't need it. But again I

699
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: don't know the origins of it.

700
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 3: This is not.

701
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 4: Different times, different times, Scott. Back when AJ played, they

702
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 4: rode trains everywhere.

703
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, six finger Rodriguez six. We have a signing that

704
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: occurred this morning.

705
00:32:55,560 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 2: The Minnesota Twins make their first move of the off season.

706
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: Welcome to the off season. Danny Colombe pending physical to

707
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Minnesota and John Hayman wrote very solid back end of

708
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: the Bullpen now with Sans s Griffin, Jack's friend of

709
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 2: the show, John Duran and yes Colombe, who's been really

710
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 2: good as kind of the hidden gem picked up by

711
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 2: the Twins goes through injury issues. Hidden gem picked up

712
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: by the Orioles thrives injury down the stretch last year.

713
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: That's how they can pick them up again. It looks

714
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: like it was for one year and three million bucks krats.

715
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: That's looking like the going rate, right, and that's probably

716
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 2: why Tim Hill signed five seconds later. But what do

717
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: we think about the Minnesota Twins and their almost perfect

718
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: team that only had to add one left handed reliever

719
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: to get back into the playoffs.

720
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 4: Producer Lady creates a rundown for us every day, and

721
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 4: we don't get to half the stuff because we gab

722
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 4: way too. One of the things we were going to

723
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: get to. One of the things we were going to

724
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 4: get to was the best bullpens in baseball. I honestly

725
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 4: feel like the Twins consistently create an unbelievable bullpen. I

726
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: know they had a down a down year last year

727
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 4: with that bullpen, but I was gonna make the case

728
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 4: they already have one of the best bullpens in the game.

729
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 4: And you add a guy like DC who texted me

730
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 4: this morning and said or this afternoon and said, yeah,

731
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 4: I'll think about coming on next week. He's a little

732
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 4: busy getting ready for spring training going down to Fort Misery.

733
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,319
Speaker 4: But I think it's a great ad because they do

734
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 4: so many different things, guys from so many different angles.

735
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 4: He's coming from the left side, falling off Duran's just

736
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 4: absolutely ridiculous with that splinker, and Griffin Jackson is throwing

737
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: beabies up there. So that's what they do. They just

738
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: create a lot of different looks for you.

739
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Speaker 3: Good call.

740
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, welcome Twins, that's a welcome turns.

741
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 3: One team last a major league. The Cardinals is for

742
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 3: what I saw.

743
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: Maybe the Marlins, like the Brewers are on this list,

744
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 2: but they've signed like like barely free agent contracts, like

745
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 2: two guys that are either on like splits or something.

746
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: And yeah, maybe the Marlins are there.

747
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: I saw something Marlins, the Marlins the only ones left.

748
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: Someone's got to help me out. I don't know.

749
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 4: I mean maybe I thought the Marlins and the Cardinals

750
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: one two left.

751
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 3: You could be right. There's a lot of there's a

752
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 3: lot of online.

753
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, good for the Twins to get back

754
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: on back in the mix for the people. Keep asking

755
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 2: this question, especially on Instagram, will give you answers. So

756
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: here's one from Julian. He said, question for ag I

757
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: wanted to know for years. When he covered the Astros

758
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: and the playoffs in twenty nineteen against Tampa Bay, a

759
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: big combo on the broadcast, how do you hit a

760
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: picture like Eric Cole who's striking out a ton of people?

761
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: Back then Age's answer, almost without hesitation, cheat. There are

762
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: many other instances on the broadcast where he would say

763
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 2: something along the lines of cheat, cheat, and cheat again.

764
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 2: My question is toda AJ know the Ashers are up

765
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: to something back then or is it just one hell

766
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: of a coincidence.

767
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 4: I had no idea. I had no idea. What I

768
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 4: meant by that was cheat to the fastball, get ready

769
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 4: for the fastball, and don't get beat by a fastball,

770
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 4: because what was happening is I think it was the rays.

771
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: They were late on all the fastballs. So when as

772
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: a baseball player, when you say cheat, that means get

773
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: ready early and just put all your chips in and

774
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: cheat everything you have to the fastball to miss it

775
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: out front. That's what I was saying. No, I had

776
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: no idea they were cheating, because if I would have,

777
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: I would have had a little bat and I would

778
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: have had a garbage can and I would have been like,

779
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. So, yeah, I know that's not

780
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: I think Kratz knows what I'm talking about. If you

781
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,479
Speaker 1: ask Kratz anybody that played, they know that cheating means

782
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: you're just ready for the fastball and you're just cheating

783
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: to get it out front. And at the time, Garrett

784
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: Cole was throwing four seamers one hundred miles an hour,

785
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: and so you just had to make sure you didn't

786
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,439
Speaker 1: get beat by that.

787
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 3: Yep, exactly common term actually that you hear opt.

788
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: Basically, what I was saying is you got one shot

789
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 1: to hit a fastball. If he throws your three breaking

790
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: balls in a row, you go sit down, take your

791
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: shot on the first fastball you see, and try to

792
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 1: get the head out and hit in the Crawford boxes.

793
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 3: I thought AJ was gonna be like, yeah, of course

794
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: I knew that. I knew everything. I just don't always

795
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: like he did.

796
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: That was I think that was the series when glassnew

797
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: was tipping and we couldn't say it.

798
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: But I was like, oh, they know what's coming. And

799
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: we knew that he was tipping, but I couldn't say.

800
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: You can't really say that he's tipping on the air.

801
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 1: So you're like, well, they kind of know what's coming,

802
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: and you try to gloss around it without actually saying

803
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: he's telling him what's coming.

804
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: If AJ knew that back then, he didn't have foul

805
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 2: territory to talk about it on him, well.

806
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: If you look back, if you look back. Even in

807
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 4: their investigation, there were several teams that in twenty seventeen

808
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 4: did accuse the Astros of cheating and told Major League

809
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 4: Baseball and Major League Baseball said Okay, we'll do something

810
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 4: about it if we catch them, so it didn't come

811
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 4: out till later.

812
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: Well MLB also said, okay, we've gotten calls on how

813
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: off the league.

814
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 4: Oh there was that too, mm yeah, it was just

815
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 4: going on going on the thing. Uh.

816
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: The Danny Farquhar video was the thing after the guy

817
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: who wasn't just said at the picture Mike Fire at

818
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 1: Mike Fires came out and said it, and then the

819
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: Danny Farquhar that video is like the most damning video

820
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: you've ever heard. I mean, remember he called the catch

821
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: us at the White Sox and he's like, let's change

822
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: our signs because they know something and you could hear

823
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: the boom boom boom in the background.

824
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 4: That was to me, it was like whoa baby?

825
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: And that's Danny Farquhar, who's you know, fringe big leaguer

826
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 2: trying to just make it and getting screwed over in

827
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: that situation. But also he's like, I'm not going to

828
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: be the one to out a team like this. You know,

829
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: he's just not in a position to do that. I

830
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: mean a lot of players were pretty pissed at Fires

831
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: after that, even non Astros players, But it did actually

832
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: really help clean up the game. It was getting the annoying,

833
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,760
Speaker 2: the paranoia, and it was causing massive, massive delays in games.

834
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: Obviously, we have a pitchclock now, it would have been nice.

835
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: Back then, it would have been insane.

836
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Actually, that would have been some drama because there was

837
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 2: so much pausing and time outing and sign switching during

838
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: that whole paranoia era. But anyway, good question from someone

839
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 2: who is an Astros fan who's like, I don't care,

840
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: I can take the heat. I just want to actually know,

841
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: and he had always been curious, so I love that stuff.

842
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 2: Keep asking on all the socials. Obviously I see as

843
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: much as possible on YouTube, but Instagram dms helped to.

844
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: Man, how are the Phillies going to compete with the

845
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,840
Speaker 3: Dodges when they're just loading up on all these guys,

846
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:53,440
Speaker 3: And as the competitor, what's your feeling on what the

847
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 3: Dodgers have done this season?

848
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 5: How they spend their money is how they spend their money.

849
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 5: You can't do anything about it. You can't control that.

850
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 5: But all you can control is what you do, and

851
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 5: you just go out and compete. This is major League Baseball.

852
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 5: They're all big leaguers and we got a really good club.

853
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 5: They can only play nine yus and they can only

854
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 5: start one pitcher every night. And we've got a really

855
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 5: good rotation. We've got a really good lineup, we've got

856
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: a really good bullpen, so we'll match up.

857
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 3: Finally, there you go.

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00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: That's Rob Thompson, Phillies manager on the Philly Show, joining Todd,

859
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 2: Jim and Ruben. You can catch that show wherever you

860
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: get your shows. Just look it up, type it in

861
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 2: the search part of the FT network. Good answer, certainly

862
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: better than the answer we got from Yankees' ownership the

863
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 2: other day.

864
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,240
Speaker 4: Guys, he scared.

865
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 2: I bet you the owner says the same thing. Yeah,

866
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 2: don't you agree? I bet the owners like screw it.

867
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 2: He usually does these like epic, you know, war movie

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Speaker 2: type speeches in the clubhouse before the season starts. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I hope he like brings a huge bag of money.

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Speaker 3: He's like, we rich too, We rich too.

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Speaker 4: It can't stop us. I would be a bold movement

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Speaker 4: if anyone could do it. John Middleton's a man.

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Speaker 2: It's a much manlier way to approach it than to

874
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: be like, well, we can't keep up with them, we

875
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Speaker 2: need to.

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Speaker 4: It's hard, it's hard. It's hard to do what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: It was just a cringe answer.

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Speaker 2: The other day we went over it, you know, at

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Speaker 2: length if you missed it, if you want to check

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Speaker 2: it out. And so did Ken on one of his

881
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Speaker 2: previous fair territories. All right, old purple on krats hats

882
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Speaker 2: on the way out.

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Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 4: I mean, only Scotty knows. He doesn't know backyard, backyard baseball,

885
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Speaker 4: little melon.

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Speaker 3: Heads, dude, I know the melon heads.

887
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Speaker 2: I was a video gamer, obviously I played, and that

888
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: was a computer game. I wasn't even allowed to have

889
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 2: a console for a while, so you had to go Backyard.

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Speaker 4: If you had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it was a good That was a cheat code.

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Speaker 2: You cheat your way out of a console into the

893
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Speaker 2: PC games and it's the same thing.

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Speaker 3: It's still a video game. But don't tell my parent.

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Speaker 3: See everyone Wednesday, h