WEBVTT - Icons #4: Arnold Schwarzenegger w/ Jon Gabrus 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:05.080 Hello the Internet, and welcome to this iconograph episode of 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:13.080 Alley Zeitgeist. Oh yeah, he's horny. Also the noise you 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:16.000 make when you're horning. Instead of instead of looking at 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.280 the Zeike guys through current events once a week, we're 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:20.759 looking at the Zeikes through the lens of the powerful 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:26.320 pow cultural horcruxes that are our icons Einstein, Erkle, Miss Piggy. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:29.360 So far, we use these characters and celebrities to create meaning, 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:33.400 to build identity, to create the greatest soundboard in the 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:37.760 history of mankind. Oh stop whining, I'm a comfy idiot. 0:00:38.400 --> 0:00:45.599 To learn for my face because the ram in the stomach, uh, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.720 to learn what a normal male human body is supposed 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.040 to look like with an early lesson I took from 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:55.200 our subject today. But most importantly, we learned that sometimes 0:00:55.200 --> 0:00:59.560 a Polish American small town sheriff named Mark Kaminski has 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.440 a thick Austrian accent, and you don't need to worry 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.960 about why. It's just how it over it. That's right. 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:09.680 Episode four, we're talking Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Austrian oak, a 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.360 man who took over the film industry and pop culture 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.720 for two decades, became the governor of the largest state 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:19.759 in the United States, and in the process snapped Barbara 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.120 Bush's leg like a twig. Something I've learned during the 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.440 course of researching this episode. Shout out to Jay McNab 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.800 who provided the research dossier on this one. Speaking of 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:32.959 the research dossier, stick around for the end of the 0:01:33.040 --> 0:01:36.720 episode from my note book dump, where I give you 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:40.200 my final thoughts and little information nuggets I didn't get 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.120 to in this conversation. I'm thrilled to be joined as 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:47.520 always by my co host, mister Miles gram Man. It's 0:01:47.560 --> 0:01:50.120 just me, man, This just me, nothing else, nothing is me, 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.440 nothing to see here in our third seat. One of 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:56.040 the greatest comedians, improvisers, and podcasters in the business. Yeah, 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.640 he co hosts one of my favorite podcast, Action Boys, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.360 on Page Treon, which makes him one of our foremost 0:02:03.720 --> 0:02:07.080 Schwarzenegger scholars. It's John Gabra. 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.560 When I am on the Daily Zeitgeist is like I 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:16.000 am calming all night and when you are saying my name, 0:02:16.040 --> 0:02:16.680 I am coming. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.680 When I am doing my plugs, I am calming. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:21.880 You believes how much I'm in Heaven? Did you hear 0:02:21.919 --> 0:02:24.320 I'm on Daily zeit Guys? You I'm coming. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.920 I went to high school a Luffergnell junior WHOA And 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:30.359 we would always say that to him. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.399 Yeah, was it when when you were with him, were 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.679 you sometimes? You know, I'd imagine it wasn't too hard 0:02:37.720 --> 0:02:41.519 for you to give him the wrong advices. Yeah, that's 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.640 one of my favorite under underrated quotes. Shout out to 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.639 my friend Sean, who always talked about the part where 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.480 he's like, uh, yeah, sometimes on workout there, I give 0:02:51.520 --> 0:02:54.320 him advice and it's not too wrong to give him 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:57.840 the wrong right, And he says it's so like he's 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:03.480 so fucking clever. What he's saying advice is I do 0:03:03.639 --> 0:03:06.560 just want to acknowledge up up top because with all 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.679 these icons that are like such a part of our brains, 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.200 they're burned in there. We kind of just take it 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.720 for granted that they've always been there. But just with Arnold, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.480 I want to acknowl it. Like he entered a late 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:23.200 seventies movie landscape that was coming off of like the 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.359 auteur movement and was ruled by actors like Robert De Niro, 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:32.600 Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffman who are like these normal sized, 0:03:32.840 --> 0:03:36.600 two tiny men who were method actors and like disappear 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.760 into their roles, and he came along and just like 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:45.080 does the complete opposite his roles disappear into him. He's 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.280 the only actor I can remember who used the same 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:51.520 catchphrase in multiple movies. That's actually something Gabrius I wanted 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:54.560 to ask, like, is was did any of the other 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.280 action heroes like keep bringing back like he said, I'll 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.200 be back in so many. 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.600 And then they against to a point. Arnold understands where 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:05.560 his bread is buttered. Like he'll just go on late 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.080 night talk shows and say like I'll be back, and 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.840 like you're terminated. He'll say, like what he knows what 0:04:11.960 --> 0:04:14.960 to do. He's not precious about what he says. And 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:16.839 you got to imagine if you're like the writer or 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:19.400 director of these other movies and he's like taking your 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:22.440 iconic line, You're like, I guess it belongs to Arnold now, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.200 and he can cite him whatever. 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:24.800 The fuck he wants. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:29.200 Yeah, the brand was strong with him. I also think 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.400 it has to do with who Like obviously it's who 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.280 he was. He's like this outsized, charismatic cartoon of masculinity, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.920 but also like where America was at the time. One 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:43.800 of my favorite details of his movies that you guys 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.839 underline a lot of action boys. Is that he always 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.440 made the most sense in the mall, which was like 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:53.880 the most American location of the era. But like he 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.280 fights in malls in like raw Deal Commando. A terminator 0:04:57.320 --> 0:05:01.360 to jing Wald Way is like NonStop. That Kindergarten cop 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:03.760 opens in them all, True Eyes has a horse chase 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:04.360 through them all. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:07.560 It's just like a Venture hotel. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.679 Yes, you know, he is such a weird, unique figure. 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:14.600 But also like as I was researching this, I kept 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:17.600 being reminded of the Vi Lebowski quote like sometimes there's 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.159 a man, you know who's just the man for his time, 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:22.800 And like he really was. 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:28.720 He was so foreign and then became like landed in America. 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:30.640 He was so fargn in the way he looked and 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.400 the way he sounded, and even like his hobbies and perspective, 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:39.680 and then he fucking got America on board with him. 0:05:39.920 --> 0:05:41.080 Yeah, you know, like he. 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:44.239 There's no fucking. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:47.039 Way you would still have an accent in year fifty 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.359 in America, And you're like, if you actually tried, you 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.800 wouldn't need it, but no, he kept it. We adapted 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:57.200 for Arnold. We changed movies so that Arnold had a 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.679 place in them. We were like, yeah, Arnold can't play 0:05:59.760 --> 0:06:02.920 so but Coo, but he could fucking play Conan, you 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:06.039 know what I mean, Like he he changed culture to 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.080 make like to set it up, or we changed culture 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.160 because we were like we love this, fucking save us 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:13.440 Ross Ubermensch. 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:19.160 You know, yeah, I do. So there are definitely some 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:23.400 like fascist vibes that people people have pointed out throughout 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.800 his career, and it's coming along at a time in 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:30.839 America where like Jimmy Carter had made the like American 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.240 Malaise speech and everyone's like, fuck that that's boring, and 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:38.360 then Ronald Reagan was the answer to that. So his 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:43.160 career like kind of starts to make sense in that context. 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:47.200 But just on the subject of fascism, something I hadn't 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:51.839 realized is that his dad was Off was a Nazi 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:55.280 soldier during World War Two, was like part of the 0:06:55.320 --> 0:07:00.640 invasion of Leningrad, which he made it out. Yeah, And 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.839 for for Miles' first time playing the role of Arnold, 0:07:05.880 --> 0:07:08.760 I just I put a quote in the Wow in 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.040 the chat that I just want to have you read. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:17.120 This is Arnold describing his father's status as a Nazis soldier. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.320 When my father arrived in Leningrad, he was all pumped 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:22.960 up on the lives of his government. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.000 He was being a Nazis being pumped up. He still 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.920 get he still gets to jam his brand in there. 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:37.520 He's talking about the dark history in which I come from. Well, 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:40.400 I will say, like, you know me, I'm gonna always 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.840 apologize for Nazis. 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.080 Yeah, that's the other reason we wanted to have you 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:45.480 on here. 0:07:46.000 --> 0:07:50.080 Other perspectives, But I really like Arnold talks about it. 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:53.560 He says like and he was he was wrong, and 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.600 it was awful and like all the ship and like 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:59.520 it is that crazy thing where you're like, what can 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.160 we hold the sins of the father to the child? 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.080 Like and it's like he got the fuck out of there, 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.440 and he you know, and he talks about it. He 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:11.000 brings it up, and he talks about in his book 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:15.040 and in like recent posts during as the As the 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:18.440 World is Falling apart, he's talked about like what the 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:22.360 people were like before and after joining up with the movement, 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.600 and they're like people are fucked up from having been 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:27.400 part of it, you know what I mean. It's right, 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:30.760 He's like, guys, everyone out here who's like, yes, let's 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.360 fucking you know, kick Somalians out of Minnesota. It's gonna 0:08:34.400 --> 0:08:37.400 be bad for you eventually. Like this is like this 0:08:38.320 --> 0:08:40.240 doesn't bode well for anybody. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:43.080 It's not like it's not like saying I used to 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:44.720 be the construction worker in the village. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:45.080 People. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:52.200 Sure thanks to stick around psychologically a little bit more so. 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:55.720 What one thing, like, yes, he has spoken on that 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:59.800 there were a lot of allegations of Nazism throughout his career. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.400 Uh Dino di Laurentis didn't want to hire him for Conan, 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:07.240 telling director John Millius, I don't like Schwartzenegger. He's a Nazi. 0:09:07.600 --> 0:09:09.880 And then US News of the World tabloid once claimed 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:13.360 he was secretly pro Nazi. The writer of that article 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:20.000 then admitted the source was Sylvester Stallone, which we're going 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.360 to get into how heated and like childish that rivalry 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:27.960 was the one. The one thing is that he did 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:33.720 say in an old interview that he admired Hitler, but 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.600 then he did the thing that all people who say 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:39.040 that did. He said, I didn't admire him for what 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.600 he did with it. I admired his public speaking, which 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.920 these Republican guys like can't help. But in my like, 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:50.640 I look back and I see raging like ten or 0:09:50.640 --> 0:09:52.960 twelve good public speakers. But it before I have to 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:57.280 get to, like, exactly the architect of the Holocaust. 0:09:57.320 --> 0:10:00.199 I could probably find a couple of people before that 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:00.720 before I. 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.280 See a raving lunatic and they're always like, I mean, 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:08.440 you can't deny the guy's got fucking star, don't I 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:09.160 don't think so. 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.199 Yact to the fucking gills with the absolute worst POV 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.760 and people are like, you know, he's like, but you know, 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:17.239 but you gotta. 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:18.880 Admit he was good. 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.400 I'm like, I think I would name miss teen, South 0:10:21.440 --> 0:10:24.440 Carolina from two thousand and seven as a better public 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:26.160 speaker before I said Hitler. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:27.600 Fucking Johnny Carson. 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.440 It's gotta be a less harmful guy to look to 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:33.600 for public speaking. 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:40.680 Although there is like these really crazy behind the scene 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.439 photos of Hitler, like hitting his poses, hitting his angles, 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:49.800 and like he was a studied like poser essentially like 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:54.280 and so maybe that's that's what Arnold saw in him 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:56.320 at that early age. I will just say. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.440 Arnold also an elite level poser, like he literally made 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.559 his he was a champion poser. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:03.400 Yeah, like it we're about to get into that, but 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:06.520 I will just say in terms of like the fascist iconography, 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.360 like he is like a marble statue come to life, 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.360 and like he like we've talked before about how like 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:18.000 one of the esthetic like details of fascism is like 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:22.800 admiring the human form with like the sex removed, like 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:26.240 in Starship Troopers, and like, I do feel like that's 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:29.360 kind of like they had to edit out like sex 0:11:29.400 --> 0:11:31.080 scenes and stuff like that from a lot of his 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:33.880 movies because like he just doesn't that's not what people 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:34.640 were there for. 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.080 I guess, Yeah, well it is that weird like bodybuilder 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:41.720 thing where it's like it's it's four guys in a way, 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:43.720 you know what I mean, more than it is. But 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.360 I always found it really funny in all his movies 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:49.960 when women are like, oh my god, and he's so sexy, 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:53.840 but he looks like an insane freak, like he's got 0:11:53.840 --> 0:11:55.760 an insane body and if that's the thing you like, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.560 But when women are like, oh dear god, it's like, 0:11:58.640 --> 0:12:00.840 yeah he has d cups a rock. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:05.000 Heart, how you're into that his cycle? 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:06.880 But it is weird because yeah, there is like that 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.360 second in like that fascist like it's like he's powerful, 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.199 his output is tremendous and no no connotations of sex. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:18.160 But Arnold himself legendary, horny freak. 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:26.800 Yeah yeah, exactly, yes, yes, very probably. Video is the 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.800 most any human has ever inhabited the role of Lenny 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:33.360 from of mice and men, Like it's just like, Jesus, 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.920 get that guy, get all of those people out of there. 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:39.920 But in terms of like the fascist element of his 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.960 iconography and like how he appeared two people at the time, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.160 the other main source besides Action Boys that dug into 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:51.840 for this was the book The Last Action Heroes. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:53.360 They pointed out that. 0:12:53.360 --> 0:12:56.360 The opening to Commando with him like chopping down trees 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:59.240 and carrying an entire tree trunk on his shoulders, like 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:04.760 that whole sequel once was consciously pulling images from Lenny 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:09.000 Reefenstahl's like Nazi propaganda films. Jesus. They were just like, 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:11.120 you know, what would work really well with this guy? 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.560 I mean yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't think that 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.880 was his idea. They were just like, that makes sense 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:24.000 that that's and that is what America, like America has 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:27.880 inside America, it's much less appreciated, Like how much right 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.560 wing American culture has in common with a lot of like, 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.360 you know, fascist imagery and ideology. 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:40.160 Yeah, some that's I know where I'll tell you one 0:13:40.160 --> 0:13:42.920 of my theories is somehow we talked about this lot 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:46.280 on Action Boys. I was raised pretty much exclusively on 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:50.520 movies that are spout like extra judicial killings, the government. 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:51.240 I got. 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:56.360 Powerful people are the answer to everything. Send you, yeah, 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.400 cop is the best job you do. Internal affairs or 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.040 pieces of sh Send one guy with a gun into 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:05.240 a country full of minorities, fix it, you know, Like, Yeah, 0:14:05.400 --> 0:14:07.280 to be a fifteen year old kid with an opinion 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.920 on internal affairs just means like I'm watching the wrong 0:14:10.040 --> 0:14:14.400 fucking movies. Yeahs to escape with a perspective that you know, 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.319 cares about my fellow man. But I'm assuming all these 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:19.960 people in power all grew up on the same bullshit 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.680 as me, but didn't find it as entertainment and found 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:26.000 it as like inspo and where like, actually, we do 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:29.960 need a John Matrix to go to Valverde and clean 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.360 it up with a fucking Bazuoka with a quad Bozuka. 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:37.480 So the way he initially appeared on the world stage 0:14:38.120 --> 0:14:41.720 was by winning nineteen bodybuilding competitions, including Mister Europe Mister 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:45.520 Universe and then Mister Olympia, Mister Olympia being essentially the 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:49.040 Jeopardy Tournament of Champions for Mister Universe winners. But he 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:51.360 did and like openly admits that he built his body 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.360 with the aid of steroids. He says, I have no 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.800 regrets about it because at the time it was something 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:57.440 new that came on the market. 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:00.000 He wasn't the only guy at these bodybuilding shows. 0:15:00.880 --> 0:15:03.880 Yeah, exactly, it was legal, Like everybody was doing it openly. 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.840 It was like cocaine, you know, in the seventies. Everyone 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:08.880 was like, this is kind of like coffee. This is 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.080 like our new coffee. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.560 We should bring this onto more movie sets. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.400 But this one also makes me go to the bathroom 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:22.120 a lot too. Same deal. Yeah, he did veto. Like 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.680 when he was governor there there were people who were 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.600 not thrilled that he was pretty lax on the performance 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:34.680 enhancing stuff and called the supplements safe. And I have 0:15:34.720 --> 0:15:37.800 to like, I don't know, so I once heard from 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.640 someone that like they worked with him in the nineties 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.160 and swore like at the time he was like bright 0:15:43.280 --> 0:15:47.080 yellow and on dialysis like when he was with them, 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.120 and like that they were just like yeah, that's how 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:53.400 you got through the like intense steroid cycles. There's no 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:57.080 known reporting on that. And the guy also later told 0:15:57.120 --> 0:15:58.880 me that he thought his girlfriend at the time may 0:15:58.920 --> 0:16:02.280 have slept with Arnold behind his back, so. 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:03.800 He might be motivated to shit. 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:07.680 Yeah, but he has had like multiple open heart surgeries, 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.400 which he always goes out of his way to be 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.280 like it's a congenital condition. But I don't know that. 0:16:14.440 --> 0:16:17.200 Steroids are not. And yes he has done them. But 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.920 if you remove steroids from it, carrying around that much 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:25.240 extra mass, even if it is pure muscle, is difficult 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:29.320 on the human body, like maintaining that caloric input that 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.240 he's putting a lot of miles on his body. 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:35.920 I mean, I knew, like big guys don't live that long, 0:16:36.000 --> 0:16:38.280 but when I saw Dave Baptista be like, dude, I 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:41.480 have to stop and like really be like I'm done, 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.240 and like watching him shrink and being like no, it's 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:48.040 so I can live, like being fucking jacked is it's 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:51.480 a fucking very very short timeline. 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:52.320 You have living like that forever. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:52.960 I mean, it is. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.680 Interesting, just like talking about the thing that like earlier 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.680 saying that like he comes along with this ubermens physicality 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.960 at a time that America is like maybe fascism is 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:05.320 kind of what we do in the eighties, and then 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:08.280 like what once we got back to that point, like 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:11.439 in the past eight to ten years, all of a sudden, 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.320 the actors started looking like John Cena and The Rock 0:17:14.400 --> 0:17:17.359 and Dave Bautista again, so everyone starry. 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:19.960 Oh yeah, I could go off for hours about this, 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:24.040 but like why why why does fucking Superman even have 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:27.159 to be jacked? He's an alien like like there's like 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.320 Hulk has super strength, he could have a belly, like 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:33.959 there's like thor some of the people, like their superpowers 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.680 aren't even involved like with physicality, and they're still shredded. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:39.960 It's like, maybe what doesn't need to be diced? 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:40.360 Yeah? 0:17:40.480 --> 0:17:44.040 Right. Maybe the best example of that, which we'll get 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:47.639 to in a moment, is the Terminator who went in 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:51.600 the script was supposed to be a normal sized, normal 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:57.040 shaped person into Yeah, it's like, yeah, to your point, 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.480 Like the modern equivalent is that movie The Gray Man 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:01.639 that nobody saw, but it costs like two hundred and 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:04.000 fifty million dollars, so they had to pretend like everyone 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:06.600 saw it. But it's like, these are guys who just 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:10.680 the literal title is you have these spies who are 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.959 gray men who the whole point is like they blend 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:17.679 in wherever they go, and it's played by like Chris 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.360 Evans and Ryan Gosling and their beauty like shredded, shredded 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.240 beautiful people who like would stop traffic. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:28.480 And when you see pictures of real fucking the crazy 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:31.600 spies and assassins like that are Cia and Jaysock, like 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:32.560 elite level guys. 0:18:32.800 --> 0:18:34.320 They all look like chemists. 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:38.560 They're all like five eight one sixty five with like 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:41.439 glasses and like weird teeth, and you're like, what the 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.520 fuck is this guy's like six hundred and fifty confirmed kills. 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:51.439 Yeah, I'm a delta operator like an airline. No one 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:55.400 other quick Arnold anecdote and if you guys have any 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.680 but somebody I know was golfing with him a couple 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:02.439 of years ago, and as they were teeing off, he 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:05.119 kept telling the guy he looked like too tense and 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:09.240 too uptight, And then after the guy hit the shot, 0:19:09.400 --> 0:19:11.159 he Arnold got up to the tea and was like, 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.400 when was the last time you had a blowjob? And 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:16.200 the guy was like, I don't know, like answered and 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:21.000 Arnold teed off and said that's fantastic. And then as 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.359 he like crushed his drive with a big stogey in 0:19:23.359 --> 0:19:25.480 his mouth and like watched the ball, he said, how 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:27.400 did it taste? 0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:29.080 Awesome? 0:19:29.359 --> 0:19:35.359 Got his ass. I do think the posing, like you 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.119 were saying, the hitting the angles like that is something 0:19:38.160 --> 0:19:40.920 that he studied all along, and I think that definitely 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:46.239 like played into his being a movie Yeah. Yeah, like 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:50.320 knowing how to appear on film with something that like 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:51.800 he was always good at. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:54.240 Like in Conan, you see it a lot because it's 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.320 like it's like it's like pre verbal for him, and 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.320 the movie is like written to that strength. But then 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:04.160 he also trained with a sword master for that movie too, 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.840 And because he's an athlete and like a guy who's 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.840 got like that that kind of folk, that kind of 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.359 focus that requires eating white rice, chicken and broccoli and 0:20:12.400 --> 0:20:16.719 steroids exclusively, he he fucking looks awesome when he's swinging 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.080 the sword, when he's carrying the wheel of pan, he 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:22.439 fucking and it's like he knows. I refer to this 0:20:22.480 --> 0:20:25.200 once on the blank Check podcast. But my pet theory 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:27.280 is we've heard of the male gaze, and you know, 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.919 people talk about the female gaze. There's something about Arnold 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:32.920 that is the child gaze. Like you look at him 0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.040 and you're like in awe, and you're like a little kid, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:37.399 and you're like, that's what grown ups are, you know, 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.480 And then all these action movies will copy it. They'll 0:20:40.480 --> 0:20:42.600 all be these poses where you're looking up at these 0:20:42.640 --> 0:20:45.360 imposing figures and yeah. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.120 Yeah, I think that's exactly right. Like I have, yeah, 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.000 I have written in here somewhere that he looks like 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.359 he was designed by a seven year old to be like, 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:56.520 this is what action hero should look like. 0:20:56.720 --> 0:20:58.280 You know, this is what I want to look like 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.280 when I grow up, Like when you used to Like 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:02.840 I would remember being a kid drawing myself as like 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.280 a grown up and like I would always have like 0:21:04.320 --> 0:21:05.080 a headband and. 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:07.720 A machine guns. I was like, you. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.760 Grow up, definitely grow up and be a Special Forces Probably. Yeah, 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:16.680 I'm gonna drive a bulletproof Chevy Suburban. So he broke 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.600 into the world a film with Hercules and New York, 0:21:20.320 --> 0:21:22.800 where he had to be totally dubbed by another actor 0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:26.280 for obvious reasons. Uh, they changed his name to Arnold Strong, 0:21:26.760 --> 0:21:28.639 but the only reason he got that role in the 0:21:28.640 --> 0:21:32.720 first place was Joe Weeder, the co founder of the 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:36.560 International Federation of Bodybuilders, told the producers that Schwartzenegger had 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:42.000 been a Shakespearean actor in Vienna, and they're like, all right, 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:45.080 like sure, and then he showed up and again it's 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:47.680 like that, you know, you need to tell that lie 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:49.560 to get him in the door. But then he shows 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:51.720