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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this iconograph episode of

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Speaker 1: Alley Zeitgeist. Oh yeah, he's horny. Also the noise you

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Speaker 1: make when you're horning. Instead of instead of looking at

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Speaker 1: the Zeike guys through current events once a week, we're

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Speaker 1: looking at the Zeikes through the lens of the powerful

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Speaker 1: pow cultural horcruxes that are our icons Einstein, Erkle, Miss Piggy.

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Speaker 1: So far, we use these characters and celebrities to create meaning,

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Speaker 1: to build identity, to create the greatest soundboard in the

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Speaker 1: history of mankind. Oh stop whining, I'm a comfy idiot.

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Speaker 1: To learn for my face because the ram in the stomach, uh,

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Speaker 1: to learn what a normal male human body is supposed

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Speaker 1: to look like with an early lesson I took from

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Speaker 1: our subject today. But most importantly, we learned that sometimes

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Speaker 1: a Polish American small town sheriff named Mark Kaminski has

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Speaker 1: a thick Austrian accent, and you don't need to worry

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Speaker 1: about why. It's just how it over it. That's right.

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Speaker 1: Episode four, we're talking Arnold Schwarzenegger, the Austrian oak, a

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Speaker 1: man who took over the film industry and pop culture

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Speaker 1: for two decades, became the governor of the largest state

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Speaker 1: in the United States, and in the process snapped Barbara

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Speaker 1: Bush's leg like a twig. Something I've learned during the

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Speaker 1: course of researching this episode. Shout out to Jay McNab

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Speaker 1: who provided the research dossier on this one. Speaking of

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Speaker 1: the research dossier, stick around for the end of the

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Speaker 1: episode from my note book dump, where I give you

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Speaker 1: my final thoughts and little information nuggets I didn't get

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Speaker 1: to in this conversation. I'm thrilled to be joined as

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Speaker 1: always by my co host, mister Miles gram Man. It's

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Speaker 1: just me, man, This just me, nothing else, nothing is me,

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Speaker 1: nothing to see here in our third seat. One of

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Speaker 1: the greatest comedians, improvisers, and podcasters in the business. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he co hosts one of my favorite podcast, Action Boys,

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Speaker 1: on Page Treon, which makes him one of our foremost

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Speaker 1: Schwarzenegger scholars. It's John Gabra.

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Speaker 2: When I am on the Daily Zeitgeist is like I

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Speaker 2: am calming all night and when you are saying my name,

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Speaker 2: I am coming.

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Speaker 3: When I am doing my plugs, I am calming.

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Speaker 1: You believes how much I'm in Heaven? Did you hear

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Speaker 1: I'm on Daily zeit Guys? You I'm coming.

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Speaker 4: I went to high school a Luffergnell junior WHOA And

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Speaker 4: we would always say that to him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, was it when when you were with him, were

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Speaker 1: you sometimes? You know, I'd imagine it wasn't too hard

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Speaker 1: for you to give him the wrong advices. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: one of my favorite under underrated quotes. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: my friend Sean, who always talked about the part where

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Speaker 1: he's like, uh, yeah, sometimes on workout there, I give

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Speaker 1: him advice and it's not too wrong to give him

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Speaker 1: the wrong right, And he says it's so like he's

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Speaker 1: so fucking clever. What he's saying advice is I do

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Speaker 1: just want to acknowledge up up top because with all

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Speaker 1: these icons that are like such a part of our brains,

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Speaker 1: for granted that they've always been there. But just with Arnold,

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Speaker 1: I want to acknowl it. Like he entered a late

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Speaker 1: auteur movement and was ruled by actors like Robert De Niro,

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Speaker 1: Al Pacino, Dustin Hoffman who are like these normal sized,

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Speaker 1: the only actor I can remember who used the same

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Speaker 1: catchphrase in multiple movies. That's actually something Gabrius I wanted

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Speaker 1: to ask, like, is was did any of the other

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Speaker 2: And then they against to a point. Arnold understands where

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Speaker 2: like you're terminated. He'll say, like what he knows what

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Speaker 2: director of these other movies and he's like taking your

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Speaker 2: iconic line, You're like, I guess it belongs to Arnold now,

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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, he is such a weird, unique figure.

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Speaker 2: He was so foreign and then became like landed in America.

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Speaker 2: Way you would still have an accent in year fifty

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Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I do. So there are definitely some

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Speaker 1: But just on the subject of fascism, something I hadn't

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Speaker 1: This is Arnold describing his father's status as a Nazis soldier.

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Speaker 4: When my father arrived in Leningrad, he was all pumped

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Speaker 2: He was being a Nazis being pumped up. He still

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Speaker 2: He's talking about the dark history in which I come from. Well,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the other reason we wanted to have you

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Speaker 2: Other perspectives, But I really like Arnold talks about it.

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Speaker 2: He says like and he was he was wrong, and

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Speaker 2: World is Falling apart, he's talked about like what the

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Speaker 2: He's like, guys, everyone out here who's like, yes, let's

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Speaker 4: It's not like it's not like saying I used to

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Speaker 4: Sure thanks to stick around psychologically a little bit more so.

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Speaker 1: What one thing, like, yes, he has spoken on that

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Speaker 1: telling director John Millius, I don't like Schwartzenegger. He's a Nazi.

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Speaker 2: It's gotta be a less harmful guy to look to

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Speaker 2: Arnold also an elite level poser, like he literally made

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Speaker 2: I guess, Yeah, well it is that weird like bodybuilder

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Speaker 2: I always found it really funny in all his movies

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Speaker 2: but he looks like an insane freak, like he's got

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Speaker 2: But when women are like, oh dear god, it's like,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some that's I know where I'll tell you one

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Speaker 2: Powerful people are the answer to everything. Send you, yeah,

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Speaker 3: We should bring this onto more movie sets.

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Speaker 3: He might be motivated to shit.

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Speaker 1: You have living like that forever.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, just like talking about the thing that like earlier

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Speaker 1: saying that like he comes along with this ubermens physicality

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I could go off for hours about this,

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Speaker 2: but like why why why does fucking Superman even have

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Speaker 1: It's like, maybe what doesn't need to be diced?

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Speaker 2: And when you see pictures of real fucking the crazy

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Speaker 1: other quick Arnold anecdote and if you guys have any

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Speaker 3: Awesome?

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Speaker 1: Got his ass. I do think the posing, like you

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Speaker 3: A machine guns. I was like, you.

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Speaker 1: Grow up, definitely grow up and be a Special Forces Probably. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: He also appears in like I didn't realize that I

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Speaker 3: I believe it.

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Speaker 2: I got to imagine based on how how powerful she's become.

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Speaker 1: then she had so many pigs, she'd never developed her mind,

437
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: and her dad was like fucking around and then like

438
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 1: the only way for her to like survive was like

439
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: winning beauty contests, and she was like, I'll never go

440
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 1: back there. I think there was like a mass killing

441
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: two in there, but I don't remember. But uh, he

442
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,919
Speaker 1: said the guy the acting coach specifically, I called out

443
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: two impressive moments in the workshop that I thought were funny.

444
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,719
Speaker 1: One is where he inhabits the body of a child

445
00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: opening a present on Christmas morning, and he said he

446
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: made the other people in the acting class cry, which

447
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,640
Speaker 1: just trying to picture Arnold like doing that.

448
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 2: This is one percent alive, but it's fucking that's ot.

449
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: I'm picturing it now and trying so I'm like tear

450
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 2: up laughing.

451
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 4: I know, I'm even trying to imagine what would that

452
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 4: performance look like where I'm so touched, like even without

453
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 4: even it being Arnold with an adult doing this.

454
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, like one guy who's just been like presumably like

455
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: hitting on every woman stop and.

456
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: This guy suddenly get spaghetti string racer back tank top

457
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 2: on with like his nipples and traps showing, and he's

458
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,719
Speaker 2: got like cut off golds, gym super shorts on, barefoot,

459
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: just going like I don't want the.

460
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: Terrible man.

461
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: The bottle of wine he gets it. Something he would

462
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: do in like Twins and like some of those movies

463
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 1: where he like plays an innocent you know, just kind

464
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: of like uh yeah, I don't know, like new to

465
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 1: the world. And then the other that he said was

466
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: like really impressive was where he like did this non

467
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: linguistic growl and utterance, like you invoke an animalistic, non

468
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: linguistic growl and utterance and screams, which sounds like it's

469
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 1: like the when I think of Arnold, I just think

470
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: of you know, like all those like noises that.

471
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's so funny that he crushed that part

472
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: of the acting.

473
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 1: Damn, this guy can.

474
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 2: And he's also really the best of them in the

475
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Max bench Press portion of.

476
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: But he does also like kind of become a Christmas icon.

477
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: And it's interesting to note that like the only movie

478
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: he ever directed, he directed an episode of The Tales

479
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: from the Crypt and then also a made for TV

480
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 1: like Hallmark Christmas remake of Christmas in Connecticut, So he's

481
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: there's something with Christmas there that we'll probably never get

482
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: to explore.

483
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 2: But I feel like Germany, Europe, Poland Eastern Europe, Vienna,

484
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: like that's Austria. It's very like Chris Christmas. Yeah, it's

485
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: like that.

486
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: Everyone says, like the Christmas markets in Austria specifically are

487
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 4: like everyone models, Like whenever you see like a Christmas market,

488
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 4: they're all referencing like Austrian German Christmas markets.

489
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 2: And some of your most precious white female friends will

490
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: tell you that I just want to go to Vienna

491
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 2: for Christmas.

492
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 3: I'm like really, like, I don't know anything about it.

493
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 3: I want to go to Mexico.

494
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 4: It's it's well because my cousin just married someone who's

495
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 4: from Austria and he'd been.

496
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, Austria's fucking sick, and everyone I know

497
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: who's been there's like, do Vienna's sick?

498
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

499
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Gotomy?

500
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I think it's because and how bad shout

501
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 2: out twins real quick. That was the I heard in

502
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 2: an interview on Nerdict where he was back in the day.

503
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: That's the most amount of money he's ever made on

504
00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 2: a movie.

505
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that like set him up financially. The syndication decides no.

506
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 2: Because ye, they didn't want to make it because like

507
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: Arnold can't carry a comedy. So Arnold, Danny DeVito and

508
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: I think it's rightman. They all say they all worked

509
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 2: for scale. If with huge amount of points and then

510
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:20,440
Speaker 2: the movie was an absolute unknown, massive hit and they

511
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: all made insane money on it, which is.

512
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: Makes me so happy.

513
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: Also, Arnold was already doing very well for himself because

514
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 2: when he arrived in America, him and Franco Colombo, another bodybuilder,

515
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 2: they were doing masonry work and doing all this like labor.

516
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: But he invested his bodybuilding winnings in like an apartment

517
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: complex first, like somewhere on the West side of La American.

518
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 2: He was a American, someone told, like an American businessman,

519
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: maybe someone in his team or something like that, said

520
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: this is what you gotta do. And then he like

521
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: owned a bunch of properties for a while, like buying

522
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: that nineteen seventies La You know, if you held onto

523
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: it till now, you're fucking like Robber Baron.

524
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,199
Speaker 1: That's so that makes sense, you know that.

525
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 4: Like there's a clip from a couple of years ago

526
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 4: where he tried to make a joke about making a

527
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: million dollars.

528
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 1: That fell so flat, like on a radio show.

529
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 4: And now it makes sense to me because he was

530
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 4: he was making some landlord ass money like to start up.

531
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen this clip, but he's

532
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: like the easiest why to make money. The first and

533
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 1: most important thing is, you know, everyone tells you that

534
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: the first million is the hardest to make, so started

535
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: with the second million.

536
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: Right, uh huh? Wow? Hello, oh my god, wake up,

537
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 3: wake up.

538
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: They have a breakfast show. You need to get pumped up.

539
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: Anytime the joke falls flapped up off the lines of

540
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: your government.

541
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, anyway that makes that's because that's such rich

542
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: guy humor too.

543
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: When you're like, yes, always like a million an awful joke.

544
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 2: I would say, if you're hosting Arnold on your show,

545
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: you gotta laugh at his jokes.

546
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: I think, job, I bet you Arnold never does that

547
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: show again.

548
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: I think they.

549
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 4: Probably just couldn't connect. Like his delivery, They're like, oh, joke, yes,

550
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 4: thank you.

551
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: Miles didn't pause that in the middle. That that silence

552
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: was him just looking at waiting for them.

553
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, it must the video must be over.

554
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: Then he goes, hello, oh my god, this is a

555
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: breakfast show. You got's wake up. But just overall, like

556
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: the thing about him investing the money smartly, like according

557
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: to everyone, he is a sponge who's like constantly focused

558
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: on learning, like McTiernan in Predator, like cast Carl Weathers

559
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: because he's like, that's the best action movie actor that

560
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: I've seen. And he's like, I'm going to put him

561
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: in Arnold's way, and Arnold will just like drink up

562
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,840
Speaker 1: and learn from him. And so he is essential like

563
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: the he is a terminator, he's just just like super processing.

564
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, asshole, Dylan, you son of a bitch. What do

565
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: you put your pencils down there in the CIA? And

566
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 3: thank you for teaching me how to act?

567
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: All of that, all all his early work though from

568
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: Hercules in New York, and his background work was overshadowed

569
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: by the massive success of a weightlifting documentary called Pumping

570
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: Iron Goddamn, which is it's easy to see why those

571
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: movies weren't quite as successful, because at no point in

572
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,719
Speaker 1: those movies does he get to say that weightlifting is

573
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: like coming and then Myles would like to read.

574
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: Oh wow, it's as satisfying to me as coming is,

575
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: you know, as having sex.

576
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: With a woman. Then coming, I love it. So all

577
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: is up the first sentence by clarifying what it's not

578
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: even I.

579
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: Refuse to say it's jerking off. Yeah I don't. It's

580
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: gay to jerk.

581
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,959
Speaker 4: Off, he was a human woman, and you coming, and

582
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 4: so can you believe how much I'm in heaven. I

583
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 4: am like getting the feeling of coming in the gym,

584
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: I'm getting the feeling of coming at home.

585
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: I'm getting the feeling of coming backstage.

586
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: When I pump up, when I pose it from the

587
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 4: five thousand people, I get the same feeling.

588
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 1: So I'm coming day and night. I mean, it's it's terrific, right,

589
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm in heaven so awesome.

590
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: And he will later retract that and say, like I

591
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: was joking, I knew I and I will. I think

592
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: he maybe actually believes this, or believed it at the time,

593
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: But he also does know how to get sound bites

594
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 2: and how to fucking yeah. When you watch Pumping Iron,

595
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 2: it's a Rosetta stone to like why anyone like why

596
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 2: he's you just see he's so and he didn't play

597
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: a villain a lot in his career, but he is

598
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: fucking near evil in Pumping Iron. Like he's like mustache

599
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: swirling bad guy in a way.

600
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: Like manipulating the people around him who are like his

601
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: best friend, like lifelong best friends who are gonna continue

602
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: working and like being his friend for the rest of

603
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: his career, and he's like, yeah, it kind of fucked

604
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: with his head, Yeah, right into being worse than me.

605
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: Right.

606
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: There's the famous if It Bleeds they're making up Predator.

607
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: It's like an hour long featurette. You can find it

608
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 2: on YouTube. He had some crazy ongoing prank or competition

609
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: with Jesse the body Ventora, who could have bigger biceps,

610
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: and he had the wardrobe department keep taking in the

611
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 2: biceps on the sleeves on Ventory's shirt, so he thought

612
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 2: he was getting pumped up, but he wasn't.

613
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 5: Oh to make him complacent, basically, yes, And then they

614
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 5: were doing they were doing a thing where they were

615
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 5: competing so much who could work out more and earlier

616
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 5: that eventually like they were like secretly opening the gym

617
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 5: that they had shipped to South America to film, like

618
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 5: or in Mexico wherever.

619
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: They I forget where they film, and they're like fucking

620
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: like going in at three thirty in the morning, three

621
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: in the morning, two thirty, like racing to see who

622
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: when you go to the gym, who's already there working out.

623
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's so fucking funny.

624
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: That's like childish behavior over like and these are all

625
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: people who are like making millions.

626
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: It's so awesome, right, that's so funny. Yeah, that set

627
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: and I mean that movie is both like when I

628
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: first saw it, this did not hit me, but it

629
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: is like a satire of masculinity and like they're you know,

630
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: shooting at this alien and like completely you know, unloading

631
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: clips into the jungle and like just impotently you know.

632
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're all like they're all like dry shaving

633
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 2: their face, taking their shirts off, knives, they're limped dickt

634
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: f slurs before and then like you know, like everything

635
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 2: everything about that movie and also arguably like sort of

636
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: anti American interventionism too.

637
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: Right, It's like when we.

638
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: Arrived there, they end up like they're like hunting with

639
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 2: an alien, but they the CIA does get them to

640
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: like blow up a fucking full base full of locals.

641
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: Like there's no explanation as to like what the local

642
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 2: dynamics are or whatever, and it's like it's such a

643
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 2: it's more, there's so much more.

644
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: Going on in that movie than you think.

645
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: And then the idea that like this is the second

646
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: team that they send in and the first team just

647
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: got fucking murked and none of them know about that.

648
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 2: It's like the most fucking disposable American soldier shit ever.

649
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it was almost like they're they're making a

650
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: commentary that going in and intervening in a jungle could

651
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: go badly for America.

652
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 3: Yeah.

653
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't know where they are.

654
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: I don't know where they were pulling that from. Ye.

655
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: So his first truly iconic role is Conan, Like he's

656
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 1: the titular role in Conan fucking movies and much it

657
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: came about thanks to Pumping Iron. The director John Millius

658
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: says that Arnold said, treat me like a trained dog, which,

659
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: again going back to it, He's just like, I don't

660
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: give a pot, Just tell me anything and I'll do it.

661
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: He would like get cut and like there would be

662
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: like he'd be bleeding, and he'd be like does it

663
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: look good? How am I posing? And then they would

664
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: just like keep rolling with it, moving along with the

665
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: like fascist stuff. It's about an alpha male who battles hippies. Essentially,

666
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: the script was by Oliver Stone, but then it was

667
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: like whittled way down and directed by Millius.

668
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Who calls himself a zen fascist zen fascist, and Arnold

669
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 2: said he's so far to the right that he wasn't

670
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: even a Republican AKA ahead of his time, I guess.

671
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,320
Speaker 1: So this becomes like one of his first roles that's

672
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: so iconic that people just start calling him that. Like

673
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: when you read about when Cameron's trying to cast him

674
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: in Terminator, people are like, you're gonna cast Conan in Terminator,

675
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: and then like after Terminator people are like, you can't

676
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,479
Speaker 1: put Terminator in the you know, But like he's he's

677
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: choosing his roles pretty wisely.

678
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 2: If you zoom out, Yeah, if you zoom out and

679
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: see that this guy who is this physical specimen but

680
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 2: is not quite there english wise or acting wise, you

681
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: cast him as a nearly silent tribal warrior who fucking

682
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: kills a bunch of people with swords, and then you're like, okay,

683
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: what else can he do?

684
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 3: He's like, how about a robo robot?

685
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

686
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: Fuck, it's great, Like just the idea of like like

687
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 2: what what a way to like fucking make your way

688
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: into the huge movies that were huge because of him too,

689
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: and but he gets to just they're like okay, and

690
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 2: this like that'd be like all right in this you're

691
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: playing a fat new York podcaster gabers, this is your

692
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: first job, Like, I hope you can pull it off.

693
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: You're like, fuck, yeah, you're from Long Island, which exit

694
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 4: off the l.

695
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 3: I E twenty five South.

696
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Perfect, right. I love that. It's actually two away for mine,

697
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: so we're gonna need to rewrite. But so Cameron didn't

698
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: originally have Arnold in mine for the Terminator, as we

699
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: were saying, he wanted Lance Henry and for the role

700
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: who played Bishop, which is like, it's such a profoundly

701
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: different movie, but like it makes more sense on paper,

702
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: because yeah, why would the robot need to be shredded

703
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: and have an Austrian accent if.

704
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: It be enormous and like yeah, he would not blend

705
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: at all he can, and like it makes no sense.

706
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it fucking hurts. I know, Like that version

707
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: probably works because James Cameron like knows what he's doing,

708
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: but there's no arguing that it would have worked as

709
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: well as it does with Arnold.

710
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 2: No, and he got his Lance Hendrickson type with the

711
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 2: T one thousand. Uh that guy Robert Patrick. Robert Patrick

712
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 2: and Lance Herison are constantly being confused in my head.

713
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: So it's like it's good casting.

714
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: Right, like think but also just like going back to

715
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: the initial point, like think about a brand that it is, Like,

716
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: think about if the T one thousand was yoked again.

717
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 3: Yea, now they're like body build.

718
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 4: Rip because that juxtaposition made the T one thousand more terrifying.

719
00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I mean.

720
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 2: I love in interviews it's going around again when Cameron

721
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: said the reason he made a T one thousand a

722
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: cop was because they kill indiscriminately, don't give a fuck

723
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 2: about humans, and like all this stuff, and he's like,

724
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: what better disguise for a person to be able to

725
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 2: do whatever they want to whoever they want and be

726
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 2: awful you know, like hell yeah.

727
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that's what Like he in Terminator Won,

728
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: he was like, he it's kind of good that he's

729
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: foreign seeming because everybody's afraid of Russia, and Russia is

730
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: like always the one that starts the nuclear war in

731
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 1: both movies, they're just like fucking Russia. But he didn't

732
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: want to even meet with Schwarzenegger. They made him. He

733
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna like pick a fight with him,

734
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 1: I guess. During lunch and before he left, he told

735
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: his friend, if it doesn't go well you can have

736
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 1: the chair and the stereo, which I think is just

737
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,839
Speaker 1: a funny window into how big a deal stereos were

738
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 1: for that decoration. Of course.

739
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the highest, the most expensive thing in

740
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 2: anyone's house.

741
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think your Macintosh amplifier. Yeah. But Linda Hamilton

742
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: was like, I'm a trained Juilliard actor and this guy

743
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: is Conan was like this, this is a bad idea,

744
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: Like this will just be a blip on my career.

745
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: And then she went and they weren't on camera a

746
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: lot together, and so she went and like watched one

747
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 1: of the scenes where Arnold was like doing his thing

748
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: in a parking garage, and she was just like, oh shit,

749
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: Like he just like he knows how to like his

750
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: physicality and like how he moves in that movie. She

751
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,720
Speaker 1: was like, this is actually gonna work really well.

752
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like his like lack of mobility, he moves

753
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 2: very well in Conan, like he's he's you know, he's

754
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: leaping around wheel and stuff, but he's a little stiff

755
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: because he's a giant. He's the Austrian oak oak chest

756
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: and and the terminator. It totally benefits him.

757
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 3: Quick.

758
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 2: Aside about terminator, something we learned figured out on Action

759
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 2: Boys or noticed on Action Boys, is that the entire

760
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 2: premise of the Terminator movies require Linda ha mold In

761
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 2: to let a time traveling dirt bag raw dogger, Like

762
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 2: she has to let Michael Bean fuck her wrong, like

763
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: Kyle Reason has to finish in her in order for

764
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: the Terminator movies to happen.

765
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 3: And that's such crazy.

766
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 2: Thank God, this guy, who I think is a homeless lunatic,

767
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna let him fucking finish.

768
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 1: It for the world ends.

769
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, a cream pie saves the world, Sarah.

770
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: This guy Kyle kind of stinks. No, he's from the

771
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: future and I got to bang him to save the world.

772
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: He said, Does she know that? But the part where

773
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: they have like is she on board at that point?

774
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 3: No, I don't.

775
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: She's on board with like maybe the reality of it,

776
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: but she doesn't know. Like it's like they're about to

777
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 2: make John Connor, which is such a funny specific because

778
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 2: John Connor sent him back. Did John Connor say, like, Hey,

779
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 2: this is my mom. You have to be my dad

780
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: like the time my mom y.

781
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Right, it's the opposite of back to the future, right,

782
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: you have to go back and fuck my mom.

783
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 4: I mean it's it's a romantic scene. They're making pipe bombs.

784
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: I fell in love with the second I saw that

785
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 4: shitty photo of you from our Son from the Future,

786
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 4: and then they have sex.

787
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cameron has said that for Terminator to you know, obviously,

788
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: Arnold's character suddenly becomes the hero, but he was initially

789
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: meeting with Cameron to play the Michael Bean role, which

790
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Speaker 1: does make more sense because like, if it's a human,

791
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: they have to be strong to set back. Yeah, you

792
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: sent back a human that looks like Arnold to fight

793
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: a Terminator that looks like Michael Bean. But I think

794
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: Arnold just inherently understood, like this is what I would

795
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: be good at. And then at a deep animalistic level,

796
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: my name will be the name of the movie character

797
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: and I'll get to kill a lot of people, which

798
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: we're about to get into was was important to him.

799
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like some part of his brain

800
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: that is like the same part of the like people's

801
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: brains that were like when you take a picture of someone,

802
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: you capture their soul, like ling photo photography. Like he

803
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: really like placed a lot of weight on like how

804
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: many people he got to kill in movies, and you know,

805
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: can't beat that with regards to the Terminator. But yeah,

806
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: Cameron has come out and said, like the reason a

807
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 1: cop is a bad guy in T two is cops

808
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: think all non cops are less than They are stupid,

809
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: weak and evil. They dehumanize the people they are sworn

810
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: to protect and desensitize themselves in order to do that job,

811
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: which fucking rules. Okay, So Schwarzenegger came away from reading

812
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: the script for Terminator Too with like a worried look

813
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: on his face, and Cameron's like, whoa what this is?

814
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: This is fucking perfect, And he was like, I just

815
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 1: like don't get to kill anyone in the script that

816
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: was he was like bummed that he didn't get to

817
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: kill anyone. Man Like this is this was a big

818
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: deal to him because I like it was one of

819
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: the pieces, like one of the pieces of data that

820
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: was like kept track of in his rivalry with Stallone

821
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: back at Cracks. We like once made a video counting

822
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: all the kills in Commando and that was by design.

823
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: You know the scene where he's just like going into

824
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: the uh yeah Balverde yeah, and just like yeah yeah.

825
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: But then like there were there are parts where it's

826
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 1: just like five seconds of just like him shooting like

827
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: waves and waves of like indiscriminate bad guys. They do.

828
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: They do the ultimate cut, the ultimate like eighties action

829
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 2: movie cut where you see Arnold spray in m sixty

830
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 2: like fifty times. Then it cuts to fifty guys just

831
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 2: leaping out of different cover like, oh, we all got

832
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: hit in that one.

833
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: It's awesome. They added that scene because I think it's

834
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: one one or the other. He had just seen Rambo two,

835
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: and I think that's what it was. He had seen

836
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 1: Rambo two and was like he got like a lot

837
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: of he killed a lot of people in that movie,

838
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: and so they like added scene. They were literally taking

839
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: extras who had just been shot and like spirit guming

840
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: a mustache onto their face to like differentiate them from

841
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: there and then just being like get back out there

842
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: to be killed again. Oh that's so awesome, man, for

843
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,359
Speaker 1: all the hating. So Stallone should have taken the role

844
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: of terminator, because wasn't he offered the role? Like, didn't

845
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: he didn't? Stallone turned down the terminator role. Yeah, the

846
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Stallone episode is gonna be crazy, like there their rivalry.

847
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: So let's let's get into the episode, allow me to

848
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 2: say I'll be back.

849
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 1: Rights. Hey, it wasn't. I got right.

850
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 3: Shows three.

851
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: I assumed that, like the rivalry between the two of

852
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: them was like made up in my child mind, you know,

853
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: because they were like the two big, strong guys. But

854
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: it was not I want to I want.

855
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 3: To just tell the stop or my mom will shoot.

856
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: Yes, oh yeah, yes. But this is a quote from

857
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 1: Arnold Miles that just appeared in the Yeah yeah, yeah,

858
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: this is this is from Arnold.

859
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 4: Yes, we were movie rivals, but we took the competitiveness

860
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 4: to the extreme. We had to have the best body,

861
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 4: we had to kill more people in our films, and

862
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 4: we had to have the biggest guns.

863
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. They were counting and like literal dick measuring

864
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: guns and truly they were just keeping tabs on how

865
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,240
Speaker 1: many people they killed it and like stallone was on lettermans.

866
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: Then after a while I started to like competition, this

867
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 1: one upsmanship. He'd get a bigger gun, I'd shoot more people,

868
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: He'd shoot more people. And so I think probably definitively

869
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: and Gabers, I want to get your official scholar's opinion

870
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 1: on this, but I feel like Schwartzenegger won right, Like

871
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 1: his movies did better than Stallone's and it's all there's

872
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 1: just the nature Rocky one in Oscar, that's true.

873
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: Right, So there's like this one thing that that Schwarzenegger

874
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 2: doesn't have, that Rocky had, that Stallone had.

875
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: Schwartzenegger probably doesn't give a shit about that, right.

876
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter because he was like governor, like you

877
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like he won like a million

878
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 2: times over. Yeah, And I think his will be kinder

879
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: to Schwarzenegger than Stallone to Stallone has maybe more duds

880
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 2: in his but Stallone has always been a little bit more.

881
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 3: Of an artist than Arnold too.

882
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: Like Stallone wants to be Robert de Niro, right, Arnold

883
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 2: wants to be Superman, not the actor character.

884
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: Literally.

885
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: But I think you're I think I think the competition.

886
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: I also think we're talking about two guys who come

887
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 2: across as really dumb but are probably a little more

888
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: savvy than they for sure, And I think they understand

889
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 2: k fabe and a rivalry between two big guys will benefit.

890
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 1: Both of them, kindness, you know what I mean.

891
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: And so then they get to make the escape plan

892
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 2: and we all go and it's like it's like Heat.

893
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:46,839
Speaker 3: It's like dumb heat, you.

894
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: Know, dumb heat fifteen years too late. I do like

895
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: the dreamcasing in my mind, and I don't know if

896
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: I would want to change a perfect film, but it

897
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: does seem like if they had been able to get

898
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: over the rivalry and make sure it's an egger ivan

899
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: drago like that, it would have broken the world like that.

900
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: That movie already did incredibly well for a movie that

901
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: is like I think forty percent montage. Yeah, but you know,

902
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: like that that would have fucking destroyed people's brains.

903
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Arnold's like and you see it with some of

904
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 2: the big actors now, where their ego gets in their

905
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: way of like interesting choices, like where it's just like

906
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: I can't have Sly beat me up and it's like,

907
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 2: but okay, it cool.

908
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, literally everyone in the world would have seen it.

909
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you would have gotten one more kill

910
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: than him in that movie.

911
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kill your boy.

912
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: Fucking yeah, Carl Weathers, that's right. It just wasn't properly

913
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: pitched to him.

914
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,479
Speaker 4: Do you think there's any backstory to like, I feel

915
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 4: like the movie posters for Cobra and Terminator are very similar,

916
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 4: you know, like where terminators, like he's got like a

917
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 4: gun like this cobra.

918
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 1: Stallone is also doing it with.

919
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 2: Like got a bigger guy, though he's not he doesn't

920
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: have a pistol, he has like a little.

921
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 4: Exactly, are you really going for the exact same composition

922
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 4: of a movie poster and con.

923
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: It's like no. It also has those weird like techno

924
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 1: vibe like the aren't there like those music video shoots

925
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: in there that kind of look like.

926
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 3: Up is like shooting music videos with robots. So I

927
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: wanted to.

928
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: Talk about Brigitte Nielsen in a second because that she

929
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: started out working with Arnold, and I feel like this

930
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: is a good kind of summation of who they were.

931
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: So Arnold and Brigitte Nielsen co starred in one of

932
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 1: the Conan films, and like her quote on it is

933
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 1: like the set lights wouldn't be out and we'd be

934
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: off fucking each other like we did every single thing

935
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: to each other's body is the like reads like a

936
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: romance novel. And then Stallone goes on to marry her

937
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: and like tightly control her career and like she couldn't

938
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: be in any thing that he wasn't involved with. And

939
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: then when she was finally in Beverly Hills Cop two,

940
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: he called Eddie Murphy and accused him of sleeping with her.

941
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: Like it just seems like he's like fueled by insecurity

942
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: and Arnold is just this like bounding, confident puppy.

943
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: Fucking yeah, he's like a giant Golden Retriever with his

944
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: lipstick out. Yeah yeah, right, yeah, Oh that's actually Arnold

945
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 2: and Brigitte hit it off in Red Sonya, which is

946
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:29,240
Speaker 2: not a Conan movie.

947
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: Red Sonya is red Sonya.

948
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: And then Arnold plays exactly a character like Conan but

949
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:36,680
Speaker 2: named like a name of different. Yeah, it's just it's

950
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 2: just like, yes, we can't legally call him Conan, but

951
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 2: he's a barbarian who focks a chick with a sword

952
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 2: in this movie.

953
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and he also they he said that they shot

954
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: him from like three different angles in every shot that

955
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: he was on, so like they could just like stretch

956
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the footage as much as possible. He was just like,

957
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't really want to do this, and they're like, yeah, no,

958
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: you're just here for a couple of days, and then

959
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: they're like he's actually the star or of the movie.

960
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, So the one thing that Arnold always had

961
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: the ability to do which is weird because he doesn't

962
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: like seem like that funny of a person necessarily, but

963
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 1: he could always do comedy and that drove Stallone crazy,

964
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: and so in nineteen ninety two he decided to fuck

965
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: with Stallone. Let's and tell him that the movie Stopper

966
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: my mom will shoot. That script was going around and

967
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: he said that he read the script. It was a

968
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: piece of shit. Let's be honest. I say to myself,

969
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do this movie. Then they went to

970
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: Sly and Sly called me, have they ever talked to

971
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 1: you about doing this movie? And here, I'm gonna give

972
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: you the quote, Miles, so you can read it.

973
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 4: And I said, yes, I was thinking about doing it.

974
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 4: This is a really brilliant idea of the movie. When

975
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 4: he heard that, because he was in the competition, he said,

976
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 4: whatever it takes, I'll do the movie.

977
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 1: And of course the movie went major into the toilet,

978
00:50:58,520 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: major into the toilet.

979
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 2: You're it's so awesome. That movie is fucking bad and weird.

980
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: You guys, you don't just cover the good ones on action.

981
00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: Now.

982
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't done Oscar yet, which is all which

983
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: is slies other attempt at comedy that fucking failed hard. Yeah,

984
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Arnold just has a better sense of humor even about himself,

985
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 2: which I think is like the thing that makes him better.

986
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: The rock doesn't have that, like none of none of

987
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 2: our modern maybe Sina does, but none of our modern

988
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,360
Speaker 2: people have that about themselves, like, you know, like everyone's

989
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 2: too self serious or like worried that you know, like

990
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 2: that nineties toxic masculinity mentality of like, well, if I

991
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: made fun of myself, then everyone knows I'm a bitch, Okay.

992
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: Then what then I might become gay or something. Yeah,

993
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: someone will think I'm day if Kevin Hart mocks me

994
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: in a movie like no, I should rip Kevin Hart

995
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: in half. In this movie Predator, I think arguably his

996
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 1: best movie. I don't know Tato is probably my favorite

997
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 1: of his movies, but it's a really great movie. His

998
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: muscles are used for comedy and like that. That also

999
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: gets to the question of like how much is he

1000
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: aware of it and how much is he just willing

1001
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 1: to let himself be used by directors in the way

1002
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: that like he like kind of finds the right people

1003
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: to work with and then lets him do their job.

1004
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: Whereas that seems to be the exact opposite of Sylvester Stallone.

1005
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 2: He gets like guys that he can bully and be

1006
00:52:23,360 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 2: in charge of and fire as.

1007
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: The initial director, and then gets like some guy who

1008
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: he can just like put more or less. Yeah, Yeah.

1009
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 2: Arnold's strong suit is like a trust in directors and

1010
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 2: like a ability to go like I don't fully understand

1011
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: what I'm saying in this scene, but you just tell

1012
00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: me how to say phonetically and I'll get it out.

1013
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 1: Yes.

1014
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 3: And then you watch Sly.

1015
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 2: Movies and realize, like English, what was Sylvester Sloane's first language?

1016
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 2: He sounds like that and English is the only language

1017
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 2: they spoke in his life.

1018
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: The only other detail I learned about Predator in this

1019
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 1: from Jam is that there was they had a problem

1020
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 1: with their water filtration system. The cast got sick. As

1021
00:53:07,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: far as I know, this is the only Arnold Schwarzenegger

1022
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: movie in which he shipped his pants during the filming.

1023
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: And I bring that up only because I have a

1024
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: loose theory, because that's also true of Harrison Ford and

1025
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: Raiders of the Lost Arc. All the all the desert

1026
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 1: films are filmed while he's like running off to ship

1027
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:31,720
Speaker 1: his brains out because he was like incredibly sick. Also

1028
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: true of the most iconic moment of Michael Jordan's career.

1029
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, when you have to, when you have

1030
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: to like focus your mind on not shitting your pants,

1031
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 1: you do some pretty iconic work. We don't know, Like

1032
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: it's not It's also not something that like Einstein would

1033
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 1: have said, Like, you know, when I came up with

1034
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: the equals MC squared, I was shitting my back out

1035
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 1: of my button up the pants. It wasn't just a

1036
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: loose theory.

1037
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 4: It's a loose stool that it's a really Yeah, I

1038
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 4: mean that's inspired me.

1039
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 1: Jack.

1040
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 4: I think next week I'm gonna do we'll do the

1041
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 4: diarrhea episodes to see if that.

1042
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: Changes my performance here on the.

1043
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:11,839
Speaker 3: Pod Theory of diar Reativity.

1044
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, relativity. Kindergarten Cop gave us the soundboard, which

1045
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,240
Speaker 1: I do think is like one of the most iconic

1046
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: things about his career.

1047
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: Reinvigorated him in a weird way and it really made

1048
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: him in like crystallized like a joke version of Arnold

1049
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 2: that then he got to like push against by becoming

1050
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,240
Speaker 2: a politician. Like it was like there's like this weird

1051
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 2: thing where this is like he's a household joke with

1052
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: the fucking soundboard which we were all obsessed with that

1053
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:48,799
Speaker 2: shout out eBaum's World for giving me like fucking six

1054
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: years of fucking joy. And Howard Stern is where I

1055
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: first heard it too, But then he survives becoming like

1056
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 2: that much of a fucking joke somehow, which is just crazy.

1057
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 3: That's impossible.

1058
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: This soundboard still exists.

1059
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: Dude, who is your daddy and what does he do?

1060
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 1: Who is your daddy? I want to ask you a

1061
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: bunch of questions.

1062
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 4: Uh huh, I have to answered immediately who is your

1063
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:12,360
Speaker 4: daddy and what does he do?

1064
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:13,879
Speaker 3: Pop?

1065
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: Who don't know what this is our yoga listeners? Like

1066
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: it was just it's like a pool string toy, but

1067
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: like you know, you can like hit everything and it

1068
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: like gives you all these different lines from Schwarzenegger. And

1069
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: it was used for a great like prank call effect

1070
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 1: on many a radio show. And but I also think

1071
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: like something I think it was Rogers said on Action

1072
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,800
Speaker 1: Boys that I thought was really smart is that both

1073
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: as a movie star and like just how we thought

1074
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: of him, He's just an action figure that you like

1075
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 1: dress up in different things and like make do different things.

1076
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: And like that's why I think the soundboard works so

1077
00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: well is because it's basically the pool string toy for

1078
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: like pre internet shit posters, where you can just like

1079
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: use Arnold quotes to just like do whatever, like use

1080
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: it as many times as you want.

1081
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 2: And there's no scene where he's a child opening up

1082
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 2: a package making the audience cry watching the movie. Like

1083
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 2: everything he says is like weirdly ah, you know, and.

1084
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: It's like a right right.

1085
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 4: My favorite one was he called the Gator Lodge was

1086
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 4: one where he confuses this old woman.

1087
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 4: Those are the best videos or though I guess they

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00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 4: were just you know, audio clips at the time, but

1090
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,719
Speaker 4: I think, like to your point, it really was sonically,

1091
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 4: Arnold Schwarzenegger is just in your subconscious on this in

1092
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 4: this way that you also got excited at the idea

1093
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 4: that someone was just laughing in your face, playing blatantly

1094
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 4: Arnold Schwarzenegger's rights and they're like who.

1095
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: Is this and they're like, Detective John Kimball, you fucking

1096
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 5: need it's Detective John Kimble, you idiot, you idiot.

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: Okay, Hey, Bennetts left off some steam. Yeah, remember when

1098
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: I told you I'd kill you last I love my

1099
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:13,479
Speaker 2: friend is dead tired. Commando Commando is the most full

1100
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 2: of those, like.

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00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: If you're Commando And Kindergarten Cop.

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00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Kindergarten Cop is.

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00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: The one that like has so many of my favorite

1104
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: Kindergarten Cop like weirdly is one of the ones that

1105
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: kind of looms the largest in my memory other than

1106
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 1: Terminator two, Like Terminator two is the most burnt on

1107
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: my brain or movie of my life. But Kindergarten Cop

1108
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 1: just really like every review when you go back and

1109
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: look is like this really shouldn't work. Why does this work?

1110
00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: But it like really fucking does.

1111
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 2: The Bad Guy is like too scary for like a

1112
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,320
Speaker 2: movie that also features children and Arnold, Like it's like also,

1113
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 2: it's like our first time we see Arnold and a beard, right,

1114
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: like yea and my guy and I'm a big fan

1115
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: of Arnold with facial hair and he has a fake

1116
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 2: beard in the beginning of that and those weird little

1117
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 2: like fucking shooter glasses. It's like very it's that is

1118
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: that was Jack. I kind of get what you're saying

1119
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 2: because we were young when we saw it exactly. I

1120
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: was kind of like, you know, the other movies were

1121
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 2: like grown up movies, but this felt like a movie

1122
00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 2: that we were like allowed to see. And so then

1123
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden, you feel like, wow,

1124
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 2: imagine if your fucking teacher like had a gun, not

1125
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,800
Speaker 2: to think about it would be sick. My dad, he's

1126
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: a guyanic cologist and he looks like vagianas all.

1127
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: It was a time before that was actually a political

1128
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: talking point that all teachers should have guns.

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00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

1130
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, like I haven't really been able to get

1131
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: Arnold much in front of my kids because like, I

1132
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 1: don't want their first experience to be jingle all the way,

1133
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: because I don't think that's like that good of a movie.

1134
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: And so I was gonna show them. I was going

1135
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: to show them Kindergarten Cop, and then I listened back

1136
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 1: to the Action Boys. You're like, there's like a drug

1137
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: overdose in this. Yeah. I don't want to get on

1138
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 1: the wrong idea about drugs, you know.

1139
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know we'll be using them wisely in our house. Exactly,

1140
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 2: both of my kids know where the narcan is.

1141
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: You got test strips man, Exactly.

1142
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 4: It says we have to learn to use the Yeah,

1143
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 4: We're gonna go get our fenyl vaccines today.

1144
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: His comedies are like on pap again, all of the ship,

1145
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 1: like he doesn't make any sense on paper, like Twins

1146
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,200
Speaker 1: is a deeply fucked up eugenics story, Like it begins

1147
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: in a top secret government lab where scientists are attempting

1148
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: to create a physically, mentally and spiritually advanced human being,

1149
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: and the narrator has like a thick Austrian accent, so

1150
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: it's like it doesn't make it seemed like it wasn't

1151
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: about x Nazi doctors trying to create a master race.

1152
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: And then kindergarten cop is like gun toting policeman again

1153
01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: goes undercover the most conspicuous human being on the plant,

1154
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 1: Like if that guy was just a cop, he would

1155
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: be famous, right, how fucking cool he looks? And then Junior, Yeah.

1156
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, Twins is like maybe your best back to show kids,

1157
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 2: but it's like all adult themed. It's not like it's

1158
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: not like really fucked up, but it is like too,

1159
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: like I couldn't imagine kids holding their interests, like almost

1160
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:37,880
Speaker 2: like if Conan wasn't so scary, that would be the

1161
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:39,680
Speaker 2: one that makes the most sense. But it's a touch

1162
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 2: spooky with like snake worshippers and shit like that.

1163
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am very interested to see, like if his

1164
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: appeal still holds. You know, I'm sure it does, right,

1165
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: It's still like these movies are good. But then I

1166
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,640
Speaker 1: thought that about Jaws, and my son was like, it's

1167
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: almost as good as the meg too, So.

1168
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know it's hard. You're like fucking with

1169
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: the modern attention span, which is just like on it.

1170
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:09,000
Speaker 2: It's like modern consumption is on just a different frequency

1171
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 2: than we had growing up.

1172
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we kind.

1173
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 2: Of had no choice but to be like, well, Jaws

1174
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,920
Speaker 2: is what's on. I have to like set my brain

1175
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,280
Speaker 2: to be able to sit here for this, which we'd

1176
01:01:19,320 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 2: barely ever see a shark. And then you're a kid

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01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 2: and you just get baby Shark, and then all of

1178
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 2: a sudden you're like, who cares about Jaws when there's

1179
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: baby Shark?

1180
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,400
Speaker 1: Why is the shark singing? Why does Chief Brody not

1181
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: open the video by being like, hey, guys, you know,

1182
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:36,439
Speaker 1: talking directly to me. We're at the kind of part

1183
01:01:36,440 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: where his career starts to go away a little bit,

1184
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 1: starts to go downhill for the first time. He's like

1185
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 1: kind of invincible for a long time. Two things that

1186
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 1: happened in the early nineties. One his Planet Hollywood, which

1187
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 1: was like a massive deal at the time, but it

1188
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: just it fell apart pretty quickly. The food suck. Schwarzenegger

1189
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 1: pulled out in two thousand. He was notoriously bad at

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: pulling out early enough.

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01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 3: Uh, that's a.

1192
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: One time he put one time he pulled out, one

1193
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:07,520
Speaker 1: time actually pulled out on top. And then the Last

1194
01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: Action Hero was like the big the big one. Uh,

1195
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,080
Speaker 1: it was everybody was like focused on it, so it

1196
01:02:15,080 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: got like watered down by studio notes. It doesn't like

1197
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: totally cohere. There's some like really good stuff in it,

1198
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:21,479
Speaker 1: but like.

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Speaker 2: An inshanely good concept that they just fall a little

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01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 2: short on. And I remember loving it as a kid,

1201
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 2: and or I loved it at least wanting to love it,

1202
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,320
Speaker 2: and then rewatching it as a grown up, You're like, man,

1203
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 2: this could be so much better. Yeah, they also movie

1204
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 2: to remake. Everyone on these remakes movies that everyone loves.

1205
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 2: Remake a movie that kind of sucked.

1206
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 4: Because it had like kind and yeah, he was also

1207
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 4: listening to mini discs.

1208
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: I think, like in his stereo in his car. Its

1209
01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,280
Speaker 1: just like a technology. It's like a satire of action

1210
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: movies that like doesn't really get a lot of action

1211
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: movie like tropes are like there's a cartoon character walking

1212
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 1: through the police station. He's like always throwing dynamite around.

1213
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: It's like, what the fuck is that? He keeps calling

1214
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: f Murray Abraham Salieri too. He's like, that's Alma Dais.

1215
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:14,800
Speaker 1: What are we talking about it. They also made a

1216
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: pretty confident decision by deciding to release it the same

1217
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: day as Jurassic Park, which didn't go well. Oh wow,

1218
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: same day June ninety three, What a Time erected a

1219
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: gigantic inflatable Schwartzenegger in the middle of Times Square. But

1220
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: it was like Kaiju sized and holding a bundle of dynamite,

1221
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: and it was three days after the World Trade Center bombing.

1222
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: They had to immediately move it out. They also put

1223
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,960
Speaker 1: the title of the movie on a NASA space shuttle,

1224
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: spent five hundred thousand dollars to have it on the

1225
01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle launch, and then it got delayed till like

1226
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: five months after its release date. It was like that

1227
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: is a like it would almost be at that point

1228
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 1: like terrible luck for the nasubmission to like write that

1229
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:05,560
Speaker 1: movie's name on it. But it was also just like,

1230
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: in terms of action heroes, this is like Diehard has

1231
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 1: come out, Batman has come out, like lethal Weapon, and

1232
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: you're starting to see people kind of trend towards more

1233
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 1: normal sized action heroes. It's just like people are like,

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01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's kind of weird that that is

1235
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: as fucking massive as he is.

1236
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,800
Speaker 2: Right because much like the Brad Pitt paradox, or you know,

1237
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 2: like if Arnold's movies were any more realistic, like every

1238
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 2: scene would just have people stopping him on the street

1239
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: going like what the fuck, or like picture with your arm.

1240
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 2: The Brad Pitt one is like, dude, you are fucking hot.

1241
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,920
Speaker 2: Like every situation would just be absolutely ruined by like

1242
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:46,919
Speaker 2: wait a minute, dude, you're fucking hot.

1243
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: You're a carpenter. Dude, I'm wearing glasses and have a

1244
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 1: bucket hat on, so nobody's gonna even pay attention to me.

1245
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: But just a quick anecdote from that time, Bruce Willis

1246
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: says that after I heard he walked into a restaurant

1247
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: and Arnold was already there, and he like called across

1248
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: the dining room. Do you know why he'll never be

1249
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,800
Speaker 1: an action hero. And then he flexs and he goes

1250
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:16,320
Speaker 1: tooth pick arms. True Eyes, I will say, is a

1251
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: incredibly islamophobic but very watchable high this like late career

1252
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: part of there with you Don't mess with the Sohan.

1253
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a fun fucking movie, but you can't believe it.

1254
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:31,320
Speaker 1: You know, they're like wild.

1255
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 2: It's like really kind of Oh yeah, it's fucking crazy.

1256
01:05:38,040 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 2: I'll do anything for that. Jamie Lee Curtis, uh sequence, yeah.

1257
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,000
Speaker 1: Do it sixty, do it slowly. And even there he's

1258
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: doing he's kind of using a soundboard.

1259
01:05:49,880 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Running Man when he's picking out his woman

1260
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 2: sleezy like, that's a great one board line tozy athletic.

1261
01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: His You know, we can offer all the cultural commentary

1262
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: we want on why we think his movie career faded

1263
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: down the stretch of like the nineties.

1264
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 3: Here.

1265
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: His theory is that it was when he fixed the

1266
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: gap in his teeth. He recently told Glenn Palell during

1267
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 1: like the Running Man movie run up that he thought

1268
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 1: it was he should have never fixed the gap in

1269
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: his teeth.

1270
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: He might be right, but that's definitely not what it was.

1271
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 2: Some people just start making bad choices like money and team,

1272
01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 2: like shit gets in the way and you just start

1273
01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:40,240
Speaker 2: choosing stuff like Arnold had like accidentally great taste for

1274
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: what he would put, you know what I mean, Like

1275
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 2: like it just made like he would he was in

1276
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 2: things that were so perfect for him and he never

1277
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,920
Speaker 2: like stretched too far. But then he would do like

1278
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: Eraser and stuff, and you would be like, these are

1279
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 2: bad versions of stuff.

1280
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 3: He's already done.

1281
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, But when you look at it, if you think like, okay,

1282
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 4: true Lies ninety four, your hairy tasker, A great next

1283
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 4: movie is yeah, you know, then Eraser then Jingle all

1284
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 4: the Way, you're like, oh, yeah, it's cresting now, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1285
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, And Jingle all the Way would be a fun

1286
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: like career, like aside if he kept the other ship

1287
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: going on, but Jingle all the Way became, then he

1288
01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:16,800
Speaker 2: was just like, oh this is who I am.

1289
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think also like as you lose the heat,

1290
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: like no, you're no longer working with James Cameron. Now

1291
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: you're working with whoever directed like you know some of

1292
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: these movies, and then it's like you you don't have

1293
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 1: Danny DeVito re teaming with you in Jingle all the Way.

1294
01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 1: As he was supposed to. It's like, although symbat's great,

1295
01:07:34,120 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just like he stops having It's

1296
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: hard to like sustain a thing like that. And I

1297
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: always remember, like Batman and Robin, him coming into that

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Speaker 1: world felt like an admission of like being a failure,

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Speaker 1: like he had given up, because it's just like, no,

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Speaker 1: this is like the thing where they have to paint

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Speaker 1: on your muscles, Like you don't. You don't have to

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Speaker 1: do that. You're fucking in a suit, dude, yeaheah. So

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Speaker 1: he's like, all right, my career slowed down. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to become the governor of California. He does. There's like

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Speaker 1: a recall election, a bunch of celebrities, Gary Coleman runs,

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Speaker 1: He runs. Everybody treats it as a joke. At first,

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Speaker 1: he's doing like just terminator puns the whole time. But

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Speaker 1: then he wins and becomes like an actual politician. And

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Speaker 1: this is where we come to. You know, he was bad.

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Speaker 1: He had like you know, he fought gay marriage, and

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Speaker 1: by saying that gay marriage should be between a man

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Speaker 1: and a woman, you know, the sorts of malapropisms that

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Speaker 1: you know, you can edit out of a movie. But

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Speaker 1: then it beends like a thing that everybody.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're a lawmaker, it hits a little different.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But there was this moment where I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember Barbara Bush like showed

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Speaker 1: up with a cast and they said that she like

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Speaker 1: slid down an icy hill on a saucer sled and

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Speaker 1: that's how she broke her leg. Arnold recently told the

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Speaker 1: true story, which I'm going to put in the Chat

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Speaker 1: Free Month.

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Speaker 4: It was snowing of the and we had this toboggan

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Speaker 4: and Bush is trying to teach me how to slide

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Speaker 4: that because I was only used to sledding down with

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Speaker 4: Austrian sleds, which you direct kind of with your feet,

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Speaker 4: and so we went down totally out of control, and

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Speaker 4: of course we crashed into.

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Speaker 1: Barbara Bush, who broke a leg. Then after that, Jesus,

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Speaker 1: he just trucked poor Barbara, and of course we crashed

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Speaker 1: into and of course we crashed when he says like

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Speaker 1: and of course.

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Speaker 2: And of course we are crashing and like because we

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Speaker 2: talk about it, like he has like these like rolling

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Speaker 2: dialogue things, and of course we are. And then I

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Speaker 2: am here, I am on the delhi'side geist. I am

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Speaker 2: talking to Miles and Jack, and I am here with

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Speaker 2: Jack and Miles, and we are having fun and we

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Speaker 2: are talking about the sled and of course I'm sledding

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Speaker 2: and I'm sledding on with with Miles and Jack like

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Speaker 2: like it's kind of you know, He's like, I am

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Speaker 2: here on the Tonight show to talk about Collateral and

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Speaker 2: its Collateral is the film I am.

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Speaker 1: Coming out of that Collateral. Yeah, it just keeps going. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's I think the coolest thing he ever did as

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Speaker 1: a politician was.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so funny because I remember being I was

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Speaker 2: not very politically minded, uh for a long time in

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Speaker 2: my life, and I remember being like, oh, that's cool,

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Speaker 2: Arnold's the governor. And then like some people whose opinions

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Speaker 2: I liked as a young kid were like, he's like not,

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Speaker 2: he's not that like cool, like he's got he's got

1353
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,920
Speaker 2: like bad politics, and You're like, oh okay, And now

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Speaker 2: as like a grown up, I'm like, fuck, Like imagine

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Speaker 2: Arnold was like what the right was like a dream

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Speaker 2: come true and there just actually are only about taxes

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01:10:34,200 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 2: somehow and not about like policing every fucking choice every

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Speaker 2: person makes He's.

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Speaker 1: Like, uh, pro choice but no healthcare.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean that's kind of sad, warm warmer progress.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, uh he said on nerdous Chris Hardwick asked him, uh,

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Speaker 2: is there any law you would change if you could

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Speaker 2: as a lawmaker, and he said it is obvious, but

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Speaker 2: I would change The president has to be natural boy,

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Speaker 2: like he.

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Speaker 3: Would change the rules so he could run for president.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: At the time, you're going like, yeah, right, but a

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Speaker 2: celebrity winning.

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Speaker 3: President, I got no man, I would kill that.

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Speaker 1: We that is like one of the reasons we wanted

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Speaker 1: to do this show is like to like have more fun,

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Speaker 1: but also like, you know, icons are powerful and like

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Speaker 1: they become they take on a life of their own,

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Speaker 1: and like Donald Trump was just a cartoon rich guy,

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Speaker 1: and yeah, you know, like we just I think we

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Speaker 1: have a tendency to like misunderstand what they become, how

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Speaker 1: people get iconic, and also like the power that they

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Speaker 1: have over us, and like I feel like he kind

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Speaker 1: of he's been a critic of Trump, but it's hard

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Speaker 1: not to see that his political career is like a

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Speaker 1: template for Trump's rise, where he's like a wealthy megastar

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Speaker 1: who was just like presented himself as an outsider underdog

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Speaker 1: who could fix the problems.

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Speaker 2: But for the twenty years before he was a politician

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Speaker 2: with bad politics. You liked him so, like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to shake that. Like Trump, no one liked Trump,

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Speaker 2: but no one hated him either. He was like this

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Speaker 2: rich douchebag. And then he got like a TV show

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Speaker 2: and he was like kind of weird and kind of

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Speaker 2: funny and gaudy, and you were like, oh, it's fucking crazy.

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Speaker 3: And then you're like, he's in my life. He's someone

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Speaker 3: I recognized.

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Speaker 2: And then when he's like, oh, I'm running for office,

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Speaker 2: a lot of us went like that makes no sense,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of us were like I know him.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh no, I vote for him. I know

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Speaker 3: any name.

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Speaker 1: He's not the law determinator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's actually he's very rich, so he doesn't he

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01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 2: knows how to get rich for everybody, So I'm going

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01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 2: to be rich.

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Speaker 1: I'm quoting like six of my family members in one

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Speaker 1: when I say that, right, right, right, exactly, Yeah. I mean.

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Speaker 1: There were lots of scandals in line with his run

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Speaker 1: for governor. Shortly before the two thousand and three election,

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Speaker 1: La Times published a story documenting a long history of

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Speaker 1: sexual must conduct at least fifteen women claiming they were

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Speaker 1: groped or harassed by Schwartzenegger. And then in twenty eleven

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Speaker 1: his marriage he married into the Kennedy family Maria Shriver,

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Speaker 1: and it was revealed that he had fathered a child

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Speaker 1: with their housekeeper, which came to late because the kid.

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Speaker 1: No one has ever looked more like Schwartzenegger before.

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Speaker 2: It's funny because Christopher looks more like him than Patrick does.

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01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 2: Patrick has Patrick has Kennedy jeans, which of course are beneficial.

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01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: Christopher is like big, square jawed, handsome, Like it's very

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01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,080
Speaker 2: but I look, it's fucking you know, wear a rubber

1419
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: when you have affairs with employees.

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Speaker 1: That's a little lesson that we're taking away.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing to take away.

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Speaker 2: But I would also say, like it's bad, it's fucked up.

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01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 2: But the fact that he's like, loves and accepts Christopher

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Speaker 2: is so fucking real, Like it's so Joseph is that Joseph, Joseph,

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01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: Joseph Joseph. Patrick is the one from White Lotus. Joseph

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Speaker 2: is the Yeah, yeah, that's when we bought a jeep. Yeah,

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01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 2: it's just so like it's funny, like it's he's just like, yes,

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01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: she's I had affair with but he's my son and

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01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,840
Speaker 2: yeah I was the governor. Like he's just like that's

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01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 2: the power he like he's he has where we're just

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01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:19,440
Speaker 2: like a, come on, Arnie, what's twenty women.

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Speaker 3: Reporting sexual assault your coneen?

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Speaker 4: You're just say he's not even because he's not a

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01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 4: person in a weird yeah idea. Yeah, Like I'm like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't think Arnold was saying is

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01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 4: a person to be honest, He's like, again, he's a

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01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 4: fucking g I Joe toy that you just fucking pose

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Speaker 4: in different things.

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Speaker 1: Allegations were not shocking to anybody who's seen that Brazil

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Speaker 1: video home. There's a video from early, very early in

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01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: his career where they sent him down to Brazil, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's one of the wildest things. It's like the most

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01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: overtly horny anyone's ever been on camera, Like uh, and yeah,

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01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's like grabbing women's asses who are like

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01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 1: you can see samba dancers who are like pushing his

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01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:06,120
Speaker 1: hands off of is.

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,280
Speaker 4: They're like dancing around him, like doing like carnival dancing

1448
01:15:09,280 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 4: and he thinks it's a strip club and he's like, yeah, yeah,

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,639
Speaker 4: let's get let me grab you by the way shorty,

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01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 4: and it was yeah, it's it's pretty just everything, even

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01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:21,400
Speaker 4: his interactions like with like that one woman, like he's

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01:15:21,439 --> 01:15:22,639
Speaker 4: like feeding her carrots and.

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01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: Shiit no no, no no. It's wild, but overall like

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01:15:27,960 --> 01:15:32,200
Speaker 1: a very weird, a very weird career that just like

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Speaker 1: I do wonder how much it's going to fade over time,

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01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 1: Like do you guys think those movies are going to

1457
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:42,719
Speaker 1: make sense to people in like even like thirty more years,

1458
01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 1: is it going to be like poly Shore movies, you know,

1459
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,519
Speaker 1: where it's just like this was the thing that people

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01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: were obsessed with and like studied more sociologically. Some of

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01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 1: the movies are just like too good and undeniable. But

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Speaker 1: it does also feel like thirty years from now people

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01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: will look back and be like so weird that he's

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,960
Speaker 1: like this giant fucking oh.

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01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 4: Right, Like is it more of a thing that people

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 4: like are like oh okay, I get it, or it's

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01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:09,960
Speaker 4: like one of those things and you're like what the

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01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 4: fuck were people back then.

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Speaker 3: Think you're anti seat belts?

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Speaker 2: You know, like like that shit when you're just like,

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Speaker 2: we smoked on planes.

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Speaker 1: This guy clearly no one's asking why he's talking like

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Speaker 1: this in the reality of the film, right, All right, guys, sure.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if if film still exists, I'm sure there'll

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01:16:31,200 --> 01:16:33,840
Speaker 2: be very interesting ways to discuss what the trends air

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01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:37,519
Speaker 2: and stuff. But fucking up like it is funny Jack,

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 2: Like you just casually say something like in thirty years,

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01:16:39,960 --> 01:16:42,080
Speaker 2: how will we look at that? And then my brain

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01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,800
Speaker 2: just goes to be like, what the fuck is going

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01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 2: to be happening in thirty years years? I mean, I'm

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01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 2: talking to two dads, so I feel I always lessen

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01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 2: my nihilism in those moments.

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Speaker 1: God Jesus Christ, I know over a glass of water.

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Speaker 2: Based on your day job here at TDZ, I'm assuming

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Speaker 2: you guys are a little plugged into that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm always envisioning The Road by Cormick McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: When we're doing The Road. Is gonna appreciate Arnold Schwarzenegger movies.

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Speaker 2: All we have is this iPad pre loaded with last

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Speaker 2: action here. Sorry, I really wish you'd had can our

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Speaker 2: Terminator on it.

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Speaker 1: As a big bridget Wilson fan, this is a big

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Speaker 1: break in it well, John Gabris, such a pleasure. Thank

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on. Always such a good

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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 1: time talking to YouTube.

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01:17:33,520 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on especially I don't have

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01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,800
Speaker 2: to deal with today's awful news stories and we could

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01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,360
Speaker 2: just talk about I know how awesome Arnold is to

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01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 2: even throw over treat to do TDZ with you guys.

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Speaker 2: But it's not about the state of the universe feels good.

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Speaker 2: It's about mister Universe instead.

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Speaker 1: Olympia. Where can people find you, follow you, hear you,

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Speaker 1: all that good stuff.

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Speaker 2: I'm at Gabris On social media. I got a free

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Speaker 2: podcast with Adam Pally called stany Live. Wherever you get

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Speaker 2: podcasts or YouTube, I got Action Boys, which is a

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Speaker 2: Patreon podcast where if you remotely like what this episode's about,

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Speaker 2: it's unfortunately that for three hours every week. That's at

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Speaker 2: actionboys dot biz. We have some free episodes that you

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Speaker 2: can get addicted, you know, we get you, get you hooked,

1510
01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 2: and then.

1511
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:18,559
Speaker 3: You come back for more.

1512
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:22,679
Speaker 2: And then lastly, I made this physical media thirty episodes

1513
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,200
Speaker 2: of the Gino Lombardo Show. It's like three ten episode seasons.

1514
01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 2: I turned it into a USB drive with like original

1515
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,760
Speaker 2: art that comes in like a cassette form and you

1516
01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 2: can get that at Geno dot Gabris dot com.

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01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 3: If that's something that.

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01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: Appeals amazing any comedy Bang Bang fans out there, Yeah, yeah,

1519
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: forget that. Well, that's where I first first heard. I

1520
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:47,240
Speaker 1: still remember sound Speeds. I still remember writing Gino Lombardo

1521
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: and then John Gabris down in my notes app I

1522
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:52,160
Speaker 1: think it was like its first appearance and I was

1523
01:18:52,160 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: just like, who the fuck is this guy?

1524
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was like my second podcast appearance ever. I

1525
01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: didn't even know what podcasts where I had moved out

1526
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,559
Speaker 2: here and I did Geno for Gotten, and I had

1527
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: such a good time that I didn't know I would

1528
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,080
Speaker 2: be doing exclusively that.

1529
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 3: Character for the next fifty years.

1530
01:19:05,680 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 1: One day we'll be doing an Icon episode about Yeah, yeah.

1531
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 3: What's well, don't worry.

1532
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 2: His sexual assault scandals are are coming in hot. He

1533
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 2: grew up the bagel boss guy.

1534
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,880
Speaker 1: Hessed him on the back of the neck. All right,

1535
01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: that was a fun one. This is the notebook, dumb.

1536
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 1: You may have noticed first of all, that we didn't

1537
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,320
Speaker 1: hit air standard question. If this person or character existed

1538
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: in the present tens or in our reality, would they

1539
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: have been on the epsteam flight logs. We didn't hit

1540
01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:49,839
Speaker 1: it because this is our first icon who did exist

1541
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 1: in our moment, and he wasn't on them, dinging casino

1542
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 1: jackpots sound effect, he was not on them. I think

1543
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:03,400
Speaker 1: we decided Miss Higgy wasn't probably on them also in

1544
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:07,360
Speaker 1: that alternate reality, and people were pissed. People were like, yes,

1545
01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:11,280
Speaker 1: she definitely would have been with Arnold. I'll say the

1546
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,960
Speaker 1: internet actually couldn't believe he wasn't on it and made

1547
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,880
Speaker 1: a fake list of names that went viral on Twitter

1548
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,640
Speaker 1: claiming these people were on the flight logs. I mean,

1549
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: it's still early. It's still early, folks. We still don't

1550
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:27,439
Speaker 1: know every We still haven't seen every file yet. One

1551
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:31,000
Speaker 1: thing that's becoming a recurring theme also as we look

1552
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: at these icons for me is the question of I

1553
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 1: guess it's like kind of a nature nurture question, more

1554
01:20:37,960 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 1: of a was it them or was it us? Of

1555
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:44,120
Speaker 1: the icons we've covered so far, like Einstein is one

1556
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:47,880
Speaker 1: extreme because he's this super singular genius who is going

1557
01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: to be famous no matter where and when he existed,

1558
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:55,799
Speaker 1: and then Erkeles kind of the other side, probably doesn't

1559
01:20:55,800 --> 01:21:00,679
Speaker 1: become an icon in most other moments. Historically, or places

1560
01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: in time, but catches something peculiar about the cultural moment,

1561
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: and I'd say Arnold is kind of somewhere in the

1562
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,439
Speaker 1: middle there kind of an enigma. I feel like he

1563
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:14,000
Speaker 1: was going to be famous no matter what. Everyone who

1564
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: meets him, like even the people who go in being like,

1565
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:20,719
Speaker 1: this guy seems like an idiot, like James Cameron, for instance.

1566
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 1: They come away from like a single meal with him

1567
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:28,839
Speaker 1: being like, this is the face of and titular character

1568
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:32,479
Speaker 1: of my next movie. But the specifics in the level

1569
01:21:32,640 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: of his dominance feel very peculiar to the eighties and nineties,

1570
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 1: Like it'll be one of the weirdest sections of the

1571
01:21:40,400 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 1: Future Museum about the late twentieth century, Like people will

1572
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 1: just be like, why is this guy everywhere? And why

1573
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: does he.

1574
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 3: Look like that?

1575
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 1: I also wanted to note that you can kind of

1576
01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: see the specificity and the suddenness and massive impact of

1577
01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: his influence in movies he never appeared in like the

1578
01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: same way that you can see certain cataclysmic volcanic eruptions

1579
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:08,880
Speaker 1: in tree rings on like other continents. Like the example

1580
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: I was thinking about is the Rocky franchise. In the

1581
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:15,719
Speaker 1: first Rocky movie, Stallone's trying to play by the roles

1582
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:19,880
Speaker 1: of the seventies. He's a schlubby every man who isn't

1583
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: as ripped as his opponent. That was kind of the point.

1584
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:27,520
Speaker 1: It's an underdog tail, like all our movies are generally underdogtails,

1585
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:29,879
Speaker 1: so it doesn't make sense that he'd be the superman.

1586
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:34,479
Speaker 1: But then Arnold hits and by Rocky three, Stallone looks

1587
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:38,040
Speaker 1: actually like too muscular to make sense as a boxer.

1588
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 1: But by that time the point was no longer to

1589
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,080
Speaker 1: make sense. The point was suddenly to always look as

1590
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: conspicuously awesome as possible, no matter the role. And then

1591
01:22:48,640 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 1: Arnold's influence fades, and you know, he and Van dam

1592
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: are replaced by action heroes with tooth pickoms, and Stallone

1593
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,320
Speaker 1: goes back to playing a schlubby guy in Copland. I think.

1594
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 1: Cop Land came out the year after Eraser, I think,

1595
01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: which was the first of Arnold's big swing action movies

1596
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 1: that like doesn't really exist. It's not like a flop

1597
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: or a bomb like last actor hero is just like

1598
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:16,800
Speaker 1: people are like I don't even remember what that movie

1599
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: was about. On the subject of bodybuilding's relationship to acting,

1600
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:24,759
Speaker 1: there's this mystery at the heart of filmmaking I've always

1601
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 1: found interesting, which is why do actors like Robert de

1602
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 1: Niro and like John Turtrurou, who are these great actors,

1603
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 1: You know, they're actors actors, but then when they direct movies,

1604
01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 1: nobody really like they're not great directors. And then the

1605
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: actors who do make great directors are people like Ben

1606
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:48,679
Speaker 1: Affleck and Clint Eastwood and Robert Redford, who are kind

1607
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 1: of one dimensional. I mean, they're movie stars, like you'd

1608
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:54,679
Speaker 1: never want to go see them in a stage play,

1609
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: but they end up making great directors. And I think

1610
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:03,280
Speaker 1: one of the reasons is that they understand a very

1611
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,640
Speaker 1: simple thing, which is how to look on camera, like

1612
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 1: how to show up, you know, without the interiority of

1613
01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,080
Speaker 1: the acting process to rely on, they focus on everything

1614
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: outside of them, their relationship to the camera, what angles

1615
01:24:17,160 --> 01:24:19,759
Speaker 1: make them look best. If you're not a great actor,

1616
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:22,439
Speaker 1: but you're good at looking awesome on camera, you have

1617
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 1: to be sort of directing while you act, and like

1618
01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:29,680
Speaker 1: sort of bending the movie around your face, which requires

1619
01:24:30,160 --> 01:24:35,519
Speaker 1: a much broader understanding of how filmmaking works. Because they

1620
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 1: don't have the tools inside, so they figure out how

1621
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:41,439
Speaker 1: to work within the machine around them. To look awesome,

1622
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 1: and that sets them up to be better directors than

1623
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 1: somebody who just like shows up and is like, I'm

1624
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:48,920
Speaker 1: the Jordan of this shit. I don't I don't need

1625
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,479
Speaker 1: to pay attention to these idiots with cameras. Obviously, Arnold

1626
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:54,679
Speaker 1: didn't become a great director, but I was thinking about

1627
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:59,000
Speaker 1: that when researching how his bodybuilding led into his acting career,

1628
01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 1: because from a very early age, he's thinking about how

1629
01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:06,040
Speaker 1: to pose and like hit his angles and how to

1630
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:11,120
Speaker 1: appear to people. He's just like pure exteriority. He's studying

1631
01:25:11,160 --> 01:25:13,719
Speaker 1: how to show up at the right angle to portray

1632
01:25:14,439 --> 01:25:17,800
Speaker 1: the right things, which for him, the right thing is

1633
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: always to just look awesome and strong, and that was

1634
01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,799
Speaker 1: the right thing for America in the eighties and nineties.

1635
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 1: I mentioned how he tried the Stanislovsky method. I talked

1636
01:25:27,320 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 1: about how his teacher thought it got great results. Arnold disagreed.

1637
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,720
Speaker 1: Arnold eventually was like, I don't want to be that

1638
01:25:36,000 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 1: kind of actor. I want to be an action hero,

1639
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:43,559
Speaker 1: and he quit the Stanislovsky method and committed to weapons training,

1640
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:47,840
Speaker 1: and he won all sorts of awards from gun nut

1641
01:25:47,880 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: magazines and shit like that for being the best shooter

1642
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,959
Speaker 1: of guns in movies. I don't know. I don't subscribe

1643
01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 1: to them. Next up, I think the question we kind

1644
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: of talked about this, but the question of like is

1645
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 1: Arnold hot is interesting and like why is he not?

1646
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 1: You know? Gabrius mentioned that the women characters in his

1647
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 1: movies are often like ooh ho a hoba, look at

1648
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,960
Speaker 1: this guy, but he kind of gives off the same

1649
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,920
Speaker 1: vibes as the Rock. He's sort of like too invulnerable

1650
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: to make sense in that way. He's sort of a

1651
01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: marble statue come to Laye, which I think does tie

1652
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,960
Speaker 1: back into fascism. There's a really good article called Everyone

1653
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 1: Is Beautiful and No One Is Horny on the website

1654
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 1: blood Knife that talks about the sort of sexless, bloodless

1655
01:26:37,439 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 1: nature of our movies while everybody has suddenly become completely

1656
01:26:42,200 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: shredded like the Rock and the Marvel movies. And in

1657
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:49,200
Speaker 1: that article, the writer Rs. Benedict connects it back to

1658
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,400
Speaker 1: Paul Verhoven's satire of fascism and American action movie Starship

1659
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Troopers and describes the co ed shower scene as quote,

1660
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: a room full of beautiful, bare bodies and everyone is

1661
01:27:00,240 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: only horny for war. And I feel like that's a

1662
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 1: perfect summation of Arnold movies. Like they had to cut

1663
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:11,400
Speaker 1: a sex scene from Commando because the actress and the

1664
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,120
Speaker 1: director were like, this doesn't make sense and like it

1665
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:18,439
Speaker 1: feels weird, but they were willing to add an extra

1666
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty people being killed in the

1667
01:27:21,240 --> 01:27:25,599
Speaker 1: final scene. In terms of Arnold's relationship to other action stars,

1668
01:27:25,840 --> 01:27:28,360
Speaker 1: as I was reading that book The Last Action Heroes,

1669
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:32,520
Speaker 1: I feel like John Claude Van Dam and Arnold Schwartzenegger

1670
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:37,320
Speaker 1: are sort of spiritually linked. They're just these unquestioningly confident

1671
01:27:37,960 --> 01:27:41,480
Speaker 1: like puppies who've never been told no. And then Stallone

1672
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:46,599
Speaker 1: and Segal are these massively insecure, sort of sad boys

1673
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: who refuse to let their guard down. Their careers are

1674
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:54,360
Speaker 1: like scar tissue that's like grown over their wounded ego.

1675
01:27:54,760 --> 01:27:58,799
Speaker 1: And then Schwartzenegger and Van Dam are like these IDs

1676
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,479
Speaker 1: that just sort of shed their super ego like needless

1677
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:06,360
Speaker 1: shirts and are just running around flexing and waving their

1678
01:28:06,360 --> 01:28:10,760
Speaker 1: dicks in our faces. And finally, I talked in a

1679
01:28:10,840 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 1: past episode about this theory I was working on of

1680
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:19,160
Speaker 1: like icons have to have like a contradiction at their core,

1681
01:28:19,560 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: Like there's too many famous people. We don't want to

1682
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:26,840
Speaker 1: learn about another famous person. We're already holding all this shit.

1683
01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 1: We don't want to have to pick up another famous person.

1684
01:28:30,120 --> 01:28:34,600
Speaker 1: But our brains are intrigued by contradiction, and so you have,

1685
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:37,400
Speaker 1: like Einstein is not just a super genius. He's a

1686
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 1: super genius who can't remember to put his shoes on

1687
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:43,320
Speaker 1: before walking out the door. Erkele's a dork, but he's

1688
01:28:43,400 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: a dork who's extremely confident. This Piggy a career motivated

1689
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: diva primarily driven by a romantic love of Kermit. And

1690
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,759
Speaker 1: if I had to jam Arnold into the contradiction theory,

1691
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 1: I'd highlight some of the stuff we touched on. He's

1692
01:28:57,320 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: an American hero who spoke with a thick Austrian axe.

1693
01:29:00,680 --> 01:29:06,160
Speaker 1: He's constantly going undercover while being the most wildly conspicuous

1694
01:29:06,400 --> 01:29:09,839
Speaker 1: character in any movie. And it's interesting that he thinks

1695
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:12,160
Speaker 1: that the thing that killed his career was fixing the

1696
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 1: gap in his teeth. You know, he's a subscriber to

1697
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:19,240
Speaker 1: the contradiction theory apparently. And you know, Stallone also had

1698
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: an imperfection with the way he talked and kind of

1699
01:29:22,840 --> 01:29:26,639
Speaker 1: slurred his words because like one side of his face

1700
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:29,920
Speaker 1: was lightly crushed by a fourceps accident when he was

1701
01:29:29,960 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 1: being born. But I'm going to shoot you guys straight,

1702
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:34,200
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of contradiction here. I

1703
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:39,840
Speaker 1: think Arnold is a pretty straightforward like cartoon of a jock.

1704
01:29:40,479 --> 01:29:44,160
Speaker 1: He makes locker room blowjob jokes, he smokes massive cigars.

1705
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 1: He's just like the toxic masculinity of the seventies, pumped

1706
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:52,560
Speaker 1: up to the extreme to just like the physical embodiment

1707
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: of what a seven year old would design an action

1708
01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: hero to look like. Yeah, so, I'm not sure where

1709
01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:59,439
Speaker 1: we're at with this contradiction theory. I feel like I

1710
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,400
Speaker 1: might need to place it with our new theory that

1711
01:30:03,640 --> 01:30:06,920
Speaker 1: people do their most iconic work while shaitting their pants.

1712
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: All right, that's going to do it for Arnold. We're

1713
01:30:10,280 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: back next Monday with possibly the most famous and recognizable

1714
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 1: figure on the face of the planet, who, depending on

1715
01:30:19,240 --> 01:30:21,679
Speaker 1: the tradition that you follow, may have done their most

1716
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 1: iconic work while shaitting their pants. I'm talking, of course,

1717
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,439
Speaker 1: about our icon number five, Santa Claus. Talk to you then,

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