1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye, 2 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: welcome to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you for tuning in. 3 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: If you're listening to the show the day it comes out, 4 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: then you'll know that we have just past the very 5 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: popular Western holiday Halloween. However, you know it's it's often 6 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: said that the real Halloween is on a calendar. The 7 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: real Halloween is in our hearts. Hi, I'm ben Ben 8 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: Who who? Who? Who said that? Who? Can we trace 9 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: that quote back to me about three or four seconds? Good? 10 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: That's one for the books. It's true, And you know 11 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: we're nothing here on Ridiculous History if not slightly behind 12 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: the curb um, which I think we pride ourselves on. Yeah. Yeah, 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: it's one of the one of our men's warehouse esque guarantees. 14 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: Is it behind the curb or the curve curve, the 15 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: curve the v Yeah yeah, yeah, like a statistical curve. Yes. See, 16 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: my brain immediately shoes any kind of mathematic connections. So 17 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: I think curb like being behind the curb. I don't 18 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: know what that would even mean, though, it would mean 19 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: that you're not in the street, right, we mean you're 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: not jaywalking, which goes back to one of my favorite 21 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: episodes always Pitch off Air, the history of Jaywalking. Don't 22 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,959 Speaker 1: ruin it for yourself, don't look it up yet. Instead 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: look up to like we look up to our super producer, 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 1: Casey the Madman, Pegram the Madman. Yeah. I just I 25 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: just felt like it was. You know, it's a good thing. 26 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: I have this image of you, Casey, because you are 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: so wise and sagar ashes and and measured. I have 28 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: this image of you based entirely on just my own, uh, 29 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: my own day dreams, my own Walter Middens, of you 30 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 1: being this incredible hulk like figure and and occasionally being 31 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: moved to tow righteous indignation such that you have supernatural strength. 32 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: What I mean, what do you think about that? I could? 33 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: I could? Yeah maybe I don't know. I don't know 34 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: if I could go go full Hulk or just just 35 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: stay in the more measured Bruce Banner mold. But you know, 36 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I could get passionate about stuff. That's true. We have 37 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: we have spoken about film at length, and uh also, 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: I think there were times when we were working really 39 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: closely in our former video department where I can't remember 40 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: the specific shoot we were on, but there was some moment, 41 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: we're working with someone and they had they had botched 42 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 1: something relatively simple, and you were very patient, We're very kind, 43 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: but I could tell I was getting to you, and 44 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: I was like, hey man, just remember, Casey Pegraham does 45 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: not suffer fools. And there was a pause and you 46 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: said something like I do not, and then proceeded to 47 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: have a Christian bale ask meltdown. Yeah, you're a nice guy. 48 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: Guys in my eye line, what do you want me 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,839 Speaker 1: to do? But you and me were done professionally, That's 50 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 1: not true, Casey. On the case, today's episode is a 51 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: little bit different for us because it's it's almost a 52 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: compilation episode, is it not something of a mixed tape, 53 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: as the kids would say, or a horror anthology? Whether 54 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: or not it is or is not fire, it's up 55 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: to you to decide, not you, Ben, but you the 56 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 1: people right right, not not you know, not you Casey, 57 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: but you specifically you listening to this today. We're exploring 58 00:03:53,920 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: a strange and somewhat extraordinary cultural trend from the eighteen hundreds. 59 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: So you know nowadays, in these our modern times, we 60 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: see a lot of cultural trends, right, we see uh, 61 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: some predictable ones like we've passed Halloween now, so we're 62 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: going to see a lot of Christmas stuff. I'm sure 63 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: people's local department stores, especially in the Western world or 64 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: the Angels fear scramble to uh to populate the shelves 65 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: with Christmas items right as soon as it's November one. 66 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 1: I find it disgusting. I yeah, I find it somewhat disingenuous, 67 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I don't think there's any 68 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: GM or CEO who has this moment where their heart 69 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 1: grows three sizes and they say, you know, Christmas, well 70 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,839 Speaker 1: it should be every day. I don't think they have 71 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 1: those moments. I think they just know that for a 72 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of brick and mortar stores, Christmas is the big 73 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: opportunity to go from redd ink to the black. But 74 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: with that being said, these are cultural trends. Well, I'm 75 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: sure we'll talk about Christmas at length in the following months, 76 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:12,279 Speaker 1: in the following episodes. It'll be like two weeks late 77 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: for Christmas. Yeah, yeah, it'll you know, it might be February, 78 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: it might be March. We'll get around to it. We'll 79 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: get there, We'll get there. It might be you know, uh, 80 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 1: Christmas episodes, you say, for December. But one of the 81 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 1: weird cultural trends of the eighteen hundreds was the proliferation 82 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: of spooky stories. I like to call it the spooky 83 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: spirits ghosts. Uh. Some of them were very old legends, 84 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: sort of regurgitated, remixed for the mix tape. Right, Yeah, 85 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: we got we've got your witches, we got your goals, 86 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: you run of the mill guls. What else we got? 87 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: We got we've ghost trains, strange super natural events. Of course, 88 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: they're like vampires suck you by incubie. It's it's strange 89 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: because the nineteenth century. When we look back on the 90 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds, a lot of times we think of it 91 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: as a time of innovative science and pioneering technology. Right, 92 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 1: Like one of our favorite guys who's been showing up 93 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: a lot, your your favorite tortoise eater. You're talking about Darwin. Yeah, yeah, 94 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: we think of Darwin and stuff like that. Right. The 95 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,359 Speaker 1: beauty of eating a tortoise is the shell kind of 96 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: is its own like bowl situation. You just flip it 97 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: upside down and it's already like in a it's portable 98 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of situation, and it's kind of a to go 99 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: box because there's the undershell. If anyone's triggered by this, 100 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: any tort turtle lovers out there, I apologize. I probably 101 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 1: should have done a trigger warning talking about dissecting and 102 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: eating your beloved pets. But you know what ship is 103 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: sale that tortoise has swum, that that eight bit teenage 104 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: mutant ninja turtle has gone down the sewer hole. Yeah 105 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: was that off, Mike, We're talking about that video game 106 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: that was off my Yeah, that's fine. We talked. We 107 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 1: we talked at length off air about some of our 108 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: favorite old school any s S and e s Sega 109 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: Genesis games, and you know, hit us up with your favorites, 110 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: especially if they're obscure. It's weird, you know, heroes and 111 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: a halfshell aside. The strange thing about the eighteen hundreds 112 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: in the Western world, of course, was that while we 113 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: look back on it as a century built on the 114 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: concept of reason and deduction and scientific acumen, there was 115 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: also this huge, profound, abiding interest in the super natural. 116 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: Uh we see there the the rise of what were 117 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: they called spirit photographs, for instance, like where you could 118 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: see like an aura kind of situation, or like a 119 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: ghostly luminous cloud. We also see this underlying fascination with 120 00:07:56,120 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: the other worldly. And it's strange that this happened at 121 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: the same time that we saw this tremendous UH series 122 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: of breakthroughs and leaps in the realm of science. So 123 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: one of the questions that historians asked about this. We 124 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: saw a really good article on this and thought code 125 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: dot com was maybe really weird. Things were actually happening 126 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: all the time, and now with the rise of better 127 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 1: communication and better photography, we were able to just document 128 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: them more accurately. You know, this is interesting to um. 129 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: A big rise in the popularity of spooky's uh came 130 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: directly as a result of economic changes in the Industrial Revolution, right, 131 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 1: because a lot of folks there was sort of this 132 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: new middle class that was being created. A lot of 133 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: folks that had grown up in rural areas moved into 134 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: cities to potentially become staff for this new middle class. 135 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: And they were in these kind of alien, kind of 136 00:08:55,960 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: creepy environments, right where every little spooky sound or creaky board, 137 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: you know, could potentially be a signifier of some kind 138 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: of ghoul. Yeah. Yeah, These servants also, if you think 139 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: about it, they were kind of expected to be ghost right, 140 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: they weren't supposed to be heard. They were like what's 141 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: the old adage scene and not heard. But then sometimes 142 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: they weren't even supposed to be seen, didn't they have 143 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:28,239 Speaker 1: like secret doorways and stuff. Yeah, I mean they essentially 144 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: haunted these houses as the living um, which makes a 145 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: lot of sense given the nature of like, for example, 146 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: the Haunting of of Hill House right on Netflix. That's 147 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: one of these kind of houses. But there's all kinds 148 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: of secret passages, and it would have been a house 149 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: where there would be servants quarters and a lot of 150 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: like hidden doors and places for folks to be able 151 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: to slip in and out easily. But when you kind 152 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: of separate it from the function of it and the 153 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: slightly offensive booge nous of it all, um, you do 154 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: get some opportunities to have some pretty creepy s suations, right, yeah, exactly. 155 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: This reminds me of Um. One of my relatives used 156 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: to live in a very very old house out in 157 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere in Tennessee. And it was a 158 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: house that had a servants stairway and then servants quarters, 159 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: and it was very brick and you know, in in 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: young Ben Bolin's mind, it was absolutely haunted. It was 161 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: terrified there. They raised a kid there, and the kid 162 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: used to just stare off in a certain corner and 163 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: have conversations with things that weren't there. So I absolutely 164 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: believed in this. We also we also see another way. 165 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: Uh so you mentioned socio economic factors. We also see 166 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: the way that technology could have accelerated or exacerbated is 167 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: a better word, this belief in the supernatural. Think about 168 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: the lighting, right, One of the famous quotes about film 169 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: is that film is painting with light. We know that 170 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 1: lie plays this huge role in our day to day existence. 171 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: In the eighteen hundreds, lighting was increasingly provided not by 172 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: candles but by gas lamps. And there's an interesting theory 173 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: here about how gas lamps could have given rise to 174 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: more belief in ghosts. A lot of this is coming 175 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: from a wonderful, uh, wonderful interview with Ruth Robbins, who 176 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: is a professor of English at Leeds Metropolitan University. Yeah, 177 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: and uh and Robin's cites the fact that the carbon 178 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: monoxide that gas lights. See this, I I can't ignore this. 179 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: I know we talked about the term gas lighting came 180 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,479 Speaker 1: from a play, right, But the idea that the gas 181 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 1: emitted from these gas lights would cause you to hallucinate 182 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: and believe things that weren't really true. That's I mean 183 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: maybe that maybe it's all kind of bundled in together, 184 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: you know, the idea of gas lighting someone being to 185 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: kind of convince them that they that what they think 186 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: is true is not in fact true. Right, So, yeah, 187 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: this was a real thing. It could potentially cause people 188 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: to get a case of the vapors, as it were, 189 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: and uh and started seeing spooks and inspecters and ghouls 190 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: and goblins and all that jazz. Yeah, And we know 191 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 1: that whatever the case was, whatever the causes were, whether 192 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: it be a fundamental change in the socioeconomic landscape, the 193 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: proliferation of carbon monoxide hallucinations, or you know, just a 194 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 1: proliferation of ghosts, we know that there was a huge 195 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 1: amounts of preponderance of people encountering what they believed were 196 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: spirits in their daily life by the middle of the 197 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds. And we have a specific example, well, we 198 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,079 Speaker 1: have a series of specific examples for today's episodes. Here's one. 199 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: In eighteen forty there were these sisters in New York, 200 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: the Fox Sisters, and they claimed they heard a series 201 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: of tappings. Didn't we have a story about the cock 202 00:13:03,520 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: Lane ghosts back in the day had to do with tappings. 203 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: And where did this, uh, this obsession with tappings come 204 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: from then? Right? Uh, the obsession with tappings, it depends 205 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: are you asking skeptic or you asking a true believer. 206 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: A skeptic would say tappings are easier to fake. That's 207 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 1: also true. Um. But the obsession or the notion of 208 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: tapping as a form of communication came again from technology, 209 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: right the the proliferation of Morris code and being able 210 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: to tippy tap your messages across long distances. Right, absolutely, 211 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: because maybe a ghost has been uh expelled from the 212 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: mortal plane for hundreds of years, but they're keeping up 213 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: to date in the latest technology. And I love that 214 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: you bring that point up, Noel, because when you think 215 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: about it, that's kind of like a ghost now choosing 216 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: to communicate solely through Snapchat and TikTok because of how 217 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: new the tech is. Absolutely, I mean the Snapchat icon 218 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: is a spooky ghost in fact, Yeah, think about it. 219 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: Maybe we are not so far removed from the eighteen 220 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: hundreds as we would like to as we would like 221 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: to tell ourselves. So back to the Fox Sisters. Right. Uh, 222 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: the Fox Sisters have a story worthy of its own episode. 223 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: But the takeaway from The Fox Sisters that sets us 224 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: up for the rest of today's explorations is this. Robins 225 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: says it best I believe when she says, if you 226 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: can have people communicating from three thousand miles away relating 227 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: to Morse code words coming across the ocean tapped out 228 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: Morse code, then it's a small leap of the imagination 229 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: to tell yourself there's a dead person who I used 230 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: to know quite well, who is talking to me through 231 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: Morse code. We can see the internal logic because it's 232 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 1: very easy to frame the conversation with yourself as something like, well, 233 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the ghost we're always trying to communicate with me. It 234 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: wasn't until this technology, this code evolved that we were 235 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: able to successfully do so. So now we're in a 236 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: situation where science does not negate spiritualism but aids and 237 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: abets it. It's interesting too, because, like we see it 238 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: all the time, where you know, with the rise of 239 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: intellectualism or or science or technology, you kind of have 240 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: a backlash for a thirst for sort of the old ways, right, 241 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: And that's sort of what you see a little bit 242 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: here in that confluence where they kind of bolster each 243 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: other on the one hand, but also there's sort of 244 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: like a divide between technology and spiritualism. It's interesting, it is. 245 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: Let's dive into some of these Spine Team glues from 246 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds, some of which will doubtlessly be familiar 247 00:15:50,600 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: to you fellow listeners. Yeah, this one in particular might 248 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: be if you're a fan of Holly and Tracy and 249 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: stuff you miss in history class where they have an 250 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: entire episode on the bell which and how the bell 251 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: which um was a source of absolute horror for a 252 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: Tennessee family. Um. In addition to having a little bit 253 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: of historical connection with our boy Andrew Jackson Um, this 254 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: story has proliferated throughout history. Uh and involves a spirit 255 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:22,280 Speaker 1: with ill intent in theory that haunted a farming family 256 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: the bells in northern Tennessee in the year of eighteen seventeen. 257 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, this is one of those spooky stories that 258 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 1: every resident of Tennessee knows, just the way that we 259 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: all are familiar, or at least all of us in 260 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 1: in the eastern part of Tennessee are familiar with the 261 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: fast food chain pals get there if you can do 262 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: not delay Back to the Bell family. So in eighteen seventeen, 263 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: there's a farmer, his name is John Bell. He sees 264 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: a bizarre creature hunched down in a nearby corn row 265 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: and he thinks, you know, I'm probably just looking at 266 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: some large dog. And this creature be a canine or not, 267 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 1: stares at Bell and Bell fires a gun at it. 268 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:15,159 Speaker 1: The animal runs off. No big wook, right, it was 269 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: he who walks behind the rose? Uh? It could have been, 270 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: but probably not because the way he who walks behind 271 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: the rose is depicted, at least in the Stephen King 272 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: short story, it's much more of like a uh an 273 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 1: elder god entity, so it would be larger. The movies 274 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: are different. Quick question, can you really ever walk behind rows? 275 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: Don't you walk between them? Well, if you're mortal, yeah, 276 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: mortal man can only walk behind a row the outer 277 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: last lex and then it's behind several rows unless there's 278 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 1: a single line of exactly so as you say, ben, um, 279 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: he he did take his He shot his shot a 280 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: couple of times, and the creature vanished, and he didn't 281 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: really think much else of it. Um. But then there 282 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: became this Uh, what's described, um in various sources as 283 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,360 Speaker 1: a beating sound, which is akin to a tapping. It's 284 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 1: more of an urgent tapping, wouldn't you say? And the 285 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: sound continued. Uh, they were hearing it outside of their 286 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: log home, their log cabin. And it continued and its 287 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 1: urgency increased, the frequency of it increased every single night 288 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: until Bell and his his boys um went outside to 289 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 1: try to find this the source of this sound, and 290 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: every time they found nothing. And then following that occurrence, 291 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: each night, all of the Bell children began waking up 292 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: in a horrible panic and fright. Um. And they thought 293 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: that rats were inside the house and infested their their 294 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: tiny log home and were gnawing at their bed posts. Yeah, 295 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: there were other weird sightings were purported weird sightings of animals. 296 00:18:56,480 --> 00:19:00,719 Speaker 1: There was the strange black dog they called showing up 297 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: they saw or what not John Bell. But another family 298 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: member saw a bird on a fence and and he, uh, 299 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: he thought he was shooting at a turkey, but it 300 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: took off and it flew over him. It was much 301 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: larger than a turkey and it could actually fly. Uh, 302 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: just gonna go on record here, casey, I don't know 303 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: if you have to edit this because we are a 304 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: family show. But even now, it is well known that 305 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: turkeys are complete a holes. It's one of the only 306 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: things all the residents of Boston agree on. So, like 307 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: you said, well, they're they're hearing these strange noises and 308 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 1: then these noises seem to escalate until what whatever this 309 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: apparition or this force of this spirit is, it begins 310 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: to speak to the family in a strange voice, and 311 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: John Bell gets these weird physical symptoms. His tongue swells 312 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 1: such that he cannot eat. And they finally tell some neighbors, 313 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: some friends about the weird stuff happening on the farm, 314 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: and the friend and the wife come to investigate. And 315 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: according to them, according to the official story, when the 316 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: visitors were at the farm they stayed overnight, a spirit 317 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: came into the room and pulled the covers from their bed. 318 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: Classic ghost flex right there. Yeah, they just want you 319 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: to be chili, because if you got the covers off, 320 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: it's a lot easier for them to get you. Get 321 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 1: get you all chili. And as we learn from a 322 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: young age, there is no better insurance against things that 323 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: go bump in the night than a good set of 324 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: covers over your feet and over your head. Yeah. But 325 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: now with the you know, the improvement of jump scares 326 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 1: and horror films and them being PG. Thirteen now instead 327 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: of are because there's they're less focused on gore and 328 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: they're more focused on spookery. Right, So a lot of 329 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: times you'll have the kid under the cover and then 330 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: what happens The ghost is up on there there with 331 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: him or her. Yeah, yeah, you know, I still think 332 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 1: it depends on how you tuck the sheets. You know. 333 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: What you do is you gotta do that hotel tuck. Yeah, 334 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 1: where you gotta like pull with all your mice three 335 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: sides under the mattress. No ghost can penetrate the hotel tuck, 336 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: the hotel tuck, which is a lot less dirty than 337 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: it sounds if we just use the hotel talk as 338 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: a that's that's a pro move right there, the hotel tuck, 339 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: good old hotel tuck. Also, adding owl in front of 340 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: anything makes it sound like even worse euphemism. We talked 341 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: about this in there. I don't remember, but I agree 342 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: with you right now. Awesome, Well, here's the formula real quick. 343 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 1: I don't want us run along. You take any word 344 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: that you any innocuous object or nown like casey, what's 345 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 1: what's an easy just now, first one that occurs to you? 346 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: An object? Chips? Okay, chips. So now we add a 347 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: place name. So, no, what's the name of a place, 348 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: any place? Cambridge? Okay? Uh? And then we should be 349 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: crisps if it's Cambridge, Cambridge in Boston. Okay. Okay. So 350 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: so we got Cambridge chips. Now we have just have 351 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: to add ale on there. And it's gonna sound like 352 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: a creepy euphemism when you say, oh, you know, meta, 353 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: I met a girl. We uh, we liked each other, 354 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 1: we hung out, we had some drinks. Next thing, you 355 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: know is the old Cambridge chips. So Chattanooga handbag, et cetera. Anyway, 356 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: back to the old Tennessee bell Witch. We know about 357 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: this story, the bell Witch story, because there was a 358 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: lot of press advertising it. And as you said, the 359 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: bell Witch would torture most of the family members right 360 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: throwing them on the ground, sticking pins in their bodies. 361 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: John Bell, the patriarch, eventually was attacked and apparently an 362 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: invisible foe beat the snot out of him. The fame 363 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: of this bell Witch grew in a word of it 364 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: spread throughout Tennessee, the hollers and the valleys. Uh. And 365 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 1: then supposedly Andrew Jackson heard of this. This is Andrew 366 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: Jackson before his president, right right, Ben, So, Andrew Jackson, 367 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: as you know, was a was a born and raised Tennesseeman. Right, 368 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 1: he's your he's your kin at least by proximity. Uh yeah, okay, 369 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: geographically related, graphically related. And before he was president, he 370 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: was already known across the land as a top notch 371 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: war hero and so being you know, kind of a 372 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: gaston esque figured that sounds like I'm being. He was. 373 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: He was tough, he had like a puffy chest, you know, 374 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: but he was not a mean guy like Gas. Actually 375 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: we don't know that. Um him, he could have been 376 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: a jerk, but where who are we to say? Point 377 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: being is he wanted to come to the aid of 378 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: the Bell family at the very least, you know, get 379 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: a look see for himself as to what these these 380 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: spooky happenings were all about. So Jackson um came, according 381 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: to what's this call it myth legend, came from his 382 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: home in Nashville, where he was already a decorated general 383 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: at that point a major general, and supposedly he came 384 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: to visit the farm and had dishes thrown at him. 385 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 1: Um all kinds of of of spookery, Um was afoot. 386 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: He purportedly was quoted as saying, um, he would quote 387 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: rather fight the British again than face the abject horror 388 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: that was the Bell which and then took his leave 389 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: the next morning after spending one spook filled night at 390 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: the at the Bell farm. Right it did. It's smacks 391 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: of of of incredulity, the very model of a modern 392 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: major general. Right has this has this issue? Anyway? A 393 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:59,160 Speaker 1: long story short. Eighteen twenty, about three years after the 394 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: beginning of this story, John Bell is found quite ill. 395 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: The story goes next to a vial of quote strange liquid. 396 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: He died to you know, everybody at the time believed 397 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: that he had been poisoned. His family members gave some 398 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 1: of the liquid to a completely innocent cat, to the 399 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: family cat who just happened to be in the room. 400 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: A weird detail. Why why would they just trying to 401 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: test it on the cat? Yeah, they couldn't have given 402 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,639 Speaker 1: it to like a chicken, or like a livestock or something. 403 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know man they did that cat 404 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: dirty must have not really cared too much about that 405 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: cat um. And they believed that it was the spirit, 406 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: the infernal spirit of the Bell Witch, that had forced 407 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: Bell's hand and caused him to drink this poison. And supposedly, 408 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: after Bell's death, the spooky happenings came to a close. 409 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: I call, just as Casey would say, I am Mato, 410 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: I call BS on this Casey, do we have a 411 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: BS sound Q or BS alert? Because it sounds like 412 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: it sounds like someone corporeal poison the guy, you know 413 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: what I mean, and you could get away with calling 414 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: it a ghost. But again, this story is fascinating to 415 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: the the nation at the time because there's this idea. 416 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: You know, it's eighteen seventeen, eighteen twenty, it's it's a 417 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: little bit early, but there's this idea that um scientific 418 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 1: investigation can be brought to bear upon this phenomenon or 419 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,640 Speaker 1: upon this series of events, and that the scientific investigation 420 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 1: might not necessarily disprove a paranormal occurrence, but that the 421 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: very same technological innovation that we have now may indeed 422 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: be able to prove scientifically something about what lay beyond 423 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 1: the veil of this veil of tears, ah like tears 424 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: in the ray, tears in the rain. It's interesting. Oh man, 425 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 1: I guess we have time for what? One more? I 426 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: guess one more? Wasn't it Blade Runner Day? The other 427 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 1: day was? Well? November? Right? Is November is the opening 428 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: card in blade Run. We're we're in a blade runder territory. Now, 429 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: I love it. They'll can't get a good uh walk 430 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: by noodle stand in Atlanta? It's true, all all the 431 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: good noodle places are sit down joints. Is that really 432 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 1: your takeaway for the things we're lacking and supposed Blade 433 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: Runners time? Very you're not worried about the lack of 434 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: flying flying cars? Man, it took me a long. It 435 00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: took me years on car stuff to deal with it. 436 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: Flying cars are cool as long as one person has one. 437 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: The rest if everybody has a flying car and ammonium. Yeah, 438 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: I mean think about like we would need air traffic 439 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: controllers for just like you know, our commute. We could 440 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: do it with autonomous vehicles. Now we're talking science again, 441 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 1: But how soon before we get a good autonomous vehicle 442 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: Haunted house story? You know what a good crossover that'd be. 443 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 1: That'd be what they call up remix. Can we get 444 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: a air horns down here? Yeah? I love that. Did 445 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: you ever hear us? The CVS Remix, the CVS Jams, 446 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: CVS Bangers, CVS Bangers, thank you, Casey, Casey other case. 447 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 1: And there was also Walmart ones too. There at least 448 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: someone uncovered like just hours of like Walmart canned music. 449 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: That one made me intensely nostalgic. Yeah, Christmas Holiday Walmart mixed. 450 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: You know what I love. It's it's almost like a 451 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: secular version of a church, or maybe it's a it's 452 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: a haunted house of capitalism. I used to go to 453 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 1: twenty four seven grocery stores like Kroger's there are a 454 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 1: lot of those around here, and just stroll through the 455 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: aisles at three thirty four in the morning, and there 456 00:28:55,360 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: was something something lonely and beautiful about here in that 457 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: terrible music, because you know that the people working don't 458 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: really have a lot of control over what radio station 459 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: is getting played. Uh, but yeah, this is very true. Um, 460 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: totally separate, but but similar. I had a really melancholy 461 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,719 Speaker 1: and kind of almost borderline creepy brush with that kind 462 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 1: of capitalism the first time I landed in New York 463 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,400 Speaker 1: City a very very late at night and was staying 464 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: right off of Times Square on a Sunday and walk 465 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: through Times Square full on Christmas mode, lights blasting. Not 466 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 1: a single soul in site. Oh yeah, yeah, very strange. 467 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: It's like a Vanilla's guy. It's very much like Vanilla's Guy, 468 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,480 Speaker 1: or like twenty eight days Later or something like that. 469 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: The Christmas a dish. So is capitalism the ghost that 470 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: haunts America? That that may be a story we get 471 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: to in the future, but for now, let's talk about Okay, 472 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: so we teased vampires, we tease railroad hauntings. Let's go 473 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: with railroad hauntings for now because vampires your kind of 474 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: ageless and timeless. Railroad haunting seems very eighteen hundreds. It does. 475 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: And you know, and if you are interested in uh, 476 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: in vampire situation, you want to check out the New 477 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: England Vampire Panic, which would have been we would have 478 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: talked about today. You can go to our sister show 479 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, uh and just 480 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: search the archives for New England Vampire Panic and we 481 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: did an episode on that, uh some time ago. If 482 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: it's not an audio podcast, definitely done as a video 483 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: but fascinating story. Don't want to spoil it for you, 484 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: but the New England vampire panic is one of those 485 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: paranormal stories, uh, in which we do find a direct, 486 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: definitive answer speaking of paranormal occurrence has been someone slipped 487 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 1: into this document just now. It highlighted everything in pink. 488 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: And it's not you because you don't have a computer 489 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: in front of you, my friend, No, it was me 490 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 1: from earlier. Yeah, but it wasn't highlighted and now it is. 491 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: It just happened. Happened? Ye, interesting, all of the dot. No, 492 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: just just this story about the decapitated train conductor. Okay, 493 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: see it's probably just a slow WiFi or something. Do 494 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: do do do? Don't like it? So, yeah, the decapitated 495 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: train conductor who would swing a lantern uh near the 496 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: place where he ultimately met his end? Yes? Yeah, So 497 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: the railroad, since we're speaking of science and spiritualism, the 498 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: railroad is one of the one of the bangers, the 499 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: breakout singles of technology in the eighteen hundreds. And I know, 500 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: I know, we all know that it was around before them, 501 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: but this is where it really mainstreams. And not only 502 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: does the railroad become a great source of communication, of 503 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: transit of trade. It also finds itself being a great 504 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: source of folklore. There are so many stories from this 505 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 1: time of ghost trains. And know what, how do you 506 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: describe a ghost train? It's like ghost riding the whip, right, 507 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: It's similar. Yeah, it's like in an autonomous car. It's 508 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: very loosely similar, very loosely. A ghost train is a train. 509 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: What hath no conductor? And what hath no corporeal form 510 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: of the train itself? Yeah, the train itself. You hear 511 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: the choo choo and the distance, and nobody's been on 512 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 1: these tracks for now fifty years. Do you see some 513 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: sort of ghostly luminescent shape of a train? Perhaps? Yeah? 514 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: So one famous ghost train. They're one famous ghost train story. 515 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: Also ghost ships to right, Yes, many? Yeah, actually, I 516 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: think I'm just gonna have to write this horror story 517 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 1: about in a haunted autonomous vehicle. But yeah, there's there're 518 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: all sorts of ghost ships stories. The Flying Dutchman being 519 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 1: one of the most famous. Ghost trains are another iteration 520 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: of this sort of folklore, but unlike ghost ships, they 521 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 1: can be cited on regular routes because they usually follow 522 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: the tracks where the tracks were right. One of the 523 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: most famous was apparently, uh, the ghost of Abraham Lincoln's 524 00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: funeral train. It was apparently draped in black, and that's true. 525 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: President Lincoln's train was draped in black, but it was 526 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: man's not by people, but by skeletons. Uh. So we 527 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: since that's so well known, we wanted to find another 528 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: railroad train related ghost story, and we found a pretty 529 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: cool legend from the eighteen sixties. So, one dark and 530 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: stormy night in eighteen hundred and sixty seven, there was 531 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: a railroad conductor of the Atlantic Coast Railroad by the 532 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: name of Joseph Baldwin, the spookiest name in all of folklore. Um, 533 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: and he uh did he did not mind the gap 534 00:33:55,800 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: when stepping between two trains that were um parked at 535 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,560 Speaker 1: a station in mac Mako. What do you think then, 536 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: m a c o North Carolina. They've always got weird pronunciations. 537 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: It's probably Maco. It's probably like the cow or it 538 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: maybe Maco exactly, sort of like uh. In Georgia, I 539 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,800 Speaker 1: believe there's Kiro, but it's pronounced no. It's spelled Cairo, 540 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:23,320 Speaker 1: but pronounced Cairo Anyway, it's a whole proper anounds in general. 541 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: Um so, yeah, again, he did not mind the gap 542 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: he stepped between these two coupled cars. Uh the train 543 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: the locomotive engine began to move unexpectedly, and uh oh, poor, poor, 544 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: poor Joe Baldwin lost his head and he went out 545 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: as a true humanitarian. You see gather around the campfire here. 546 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,760 Speaker 1: Joe Baldwin's last act was to swing the lantern toward 547 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: other people to keep their distance from these dangerously shifting cars, 548 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: and in the weeks fall ueen this tragic accident, people 549 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: began seeing a lantern moving along the nearby tracks. But 550 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: this lantern had no hand holding, It had no man 551 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,960 Speaker 1: swinging it. Instead, the lantern hovered above the ground about 552 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 1: three ft, bobbing, as if being held by someone searching 553 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: for something. According to veteran rail rotors, this was the 554 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: dead conductor himself, Joe Baldwin, looking for his head. Because 555 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,719 Speaker 1: when I said lost his head, I was being literal. Yes, yeah, 556 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: he didn't just get very upset when he tripped and 557 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:40,279 Speaker 1: bumped his knee. Now he was decapitated, And yeah, that's 558 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: I love a good headless ghost story. Ben remember that 559 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: one from Scary Stories? To tell him the Dark spoiler 560 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: alert for this quite old book of spooky children's stories. 561 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: But she has the ribbon around her neck and the 562 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,399 Speaker 1: story just ends with and then her head fell off. 563 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: That's a great you know. And Schwartz, the guy wrote 564 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,160 Speaker 1: or compiled a lot of these, is fantastic folklorist. The 565 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,360 Speaker 1: art is also amazing. I actually think the updated versions 566 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 1: of that don't have the old creepy art because that 567 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: was the part that was the most upsetting, right well, 568 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 1: that's what made it the edgiest thing you could get 569 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,320 Speaker 1: from the Scholastic book fair. And shout out to anyone 570 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,840 Speaker 1: else who remembers that. Did you guys have that totally Scholastic? 571 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm the closest thing I can compare that 572 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: art too. It's like it's like evil Steadman, you know, 573 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: It's it has that like in an ink splatter equality, 574 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: but it's even creepier than Steadman are that's the guy 575 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:34,479 Speaker 1: who did a lot of Yeah, so yeah, I think 576 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: I think it's it is a little bit creepier because 577 00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: of the gradients involved, and Steadman is a little more 578 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: uh stark blotchy lines. The one that's like burned into 579 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: my head is the girl in the Shower with the spiders, 580 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, which I believe makes an appearance in 581 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,759 Speaker 1: the recent film adaptation of Scary Stories of Telling Art, 582 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: which I haven't seen, but i've heard it's quite good. 583 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: I was. I was going to see it too. Someone 584 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 1: told me it was it was for kids, and I thought, yes, 585 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,279 Speaker 1: so is the book series. Anyway. You know what, you 586 00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: can't die on every hill. You gotta pick your battles, 587 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: and Joe Baldwin picked his people began saying that they 588 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: would see two lanterns. This is how folklore works. Now, 589 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 1: it's two lanterns. One is apparently Joe's head and the 590 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 1: others his body. They're looking for each other for all eternity, 591 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense unless the head can float and 592 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: is holding the lantern in its you know, in its 593 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: jaw and its mouth, or unless the head has become 594 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: a lantern. I don't know. Anyway, these things became known 595 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: as the Mako lights. And here's another common folkloric trope, 596 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 1: the ghost lights. Ghost lights. Yeah, yeah, well, the wisp 597 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: and so on, but even more specifically to the eighteen hundreds. 598 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: Often the President of the US shows up, is somehow 599 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 1: involved in these stories and this time. According to the legend, 600 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,279 Speaker 1: it's President Grover Cleveland just so Ben just So in 601 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: eighteen eighty or round about in the late eighteen eighties, 602 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: President Grover Cleveland um was just you know, passing through 603 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: the area and he heard the tale and he began 604 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: to tell it at dinner parties, the tale of Old 605 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: Joe Baldwin and his ghostly Light, and that is credited 606 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 1: with popularizing the story and making it part of the 607 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 1: oral tradition exactly. Reports of the mac O Lights continued 608 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: uh past the nineteenth century, pretty far into the twenty 609 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: I believe at the time of recording. The last sighting 610 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: occurred in nineteen seventies seven. Yep, and that's what they say. 611 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,280 Speaker 1: They're over on thought code dot com with their list 612 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:51,640 Speaker 1: of supernatural and spooky events. Also at North Carolina Ghost 613 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:57,239 Speaker 1: dot Com slash Coast slash Mako Light. So this ends 614 00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 1: today's episode, but not our show. We want to hear 615 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: from you. What are some of your favorite stories from 616 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: the time of spiritualism versus science or spiritualism in a 617 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: a strange uh collaborative team up with science. What what 618 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: really gets in your historical craw about this period in 619 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:27,399 Speaker 1: history For me. I'm I'm fascinated continually by the strangely 620 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: specific acts of spiritualists and mediums like ectoplasm alone and 621 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 1: do you did you ever read much about that? Mainly 622 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 1: just you know what I learned from the Ghostbusters films. Ah, yes, yeah, 623 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,440 Speaker 1: I've got some great time life books that I'll bring in. 624 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: I loved them as a kid. Why was this lime pink? 625 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,880 Speaker 1: And Part two in green and Part one? I wouldn't 626 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,120 Speaker 1: know because I didn't know until you told me. Really, yeah, 627 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: I didn't know. You haven't seen part two? No, I've 628 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,800 Speaker 1: seen both. I just can't really easily differentiate the tellers. 629 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: Keep forgetting about your color of deficiency. It's really a superpower. 630 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,480 Speaker 1: It probably has focused your brain in other directions. I'm sorry. 631 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: I gotta say, man, Ghostbuster, you know what, who cares 632 00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: that Halloween is over in terms of this year's calendar. 633 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: Let's do a Ghostbusters related episode next. What do you think? Then? 634 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: I support that wholeheartedly, And I support you wholeheartedly, my friends. 635 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:25,560 Speaker 1: You know who supports us, hopefully luckily wholeheartedly. It's our 636 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,279 Speaker 1: super producer, Casey Big. Thanks to you, man. I'm just 637 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: gonna lean out of the booth and make eye contact 638 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 1: with you real quick. Boom, and they're literally pressing their 639 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: palms against the glass. Uh like yeah, like that scene 640 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: in Titanic, but not really like that scene in Titanic either. Um, 641 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: it does get a little steamy in here and shipping 642 00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 1: container from time to time. 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