1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,319 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 3 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Drive. 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: This is the start of hour number two, Matt, and 6 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 3: that means it is time for the Fantasy Football Focus 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 3: and we have them. 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson Wide Receiver ranking. Ooh, this was difficult. This 9 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: is a chore. There's so many good names. The top 10 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 2: is loaded. I think there's like sixty nine deep on this. Yeah. 11 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: I mean my process is, and I did this from 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 2: the beach. Was I just write down anything that could 13 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 2: be typed on, any name that could be relevant, and 14 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 2: then I start ranking them one until I'm bored basically, 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: you know, so at the end ones aren't as much time. 16 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: But then I just start staring at him and if 17 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 2: someone is not ranked shows up, I move them up 18 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 2: and I change them almost every day. So you have 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: Tyreek kill one. Yeah, ceedee lamb two. There's the bag there. 20 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 2: I mean, like, if you go to fantasylife dot com, 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 2: it's Matthew Berry's site. They put out their wide receiver 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: tiers today, which is Dwayne McFarlane and he's really nerdy 23 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 2: about it. You know, it takes into count all the 24 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 2: targets and strength opponents and all that, and I think 25 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: he's one of the best fantasy out guys out there. 26 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: He has LAMB and a tier by himself. I was 27 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 2: shocked to see that today. And could he could he 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: break the catch record this year? Yeah? I think he could. 29 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: What is the number? Do you remember? I mean, he's 30 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: a get two hundred targets assuming he stays healthy. He 31 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: may have already last year. I think I still think 32 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 2: Tyreek's just better hundred. 33 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: Forty nine receptions by Michael Thomas in twenty nineteen. 34 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: That wasn't even a seventeen game schedule, right, I mean, 35 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: what's I mean, one divided by seventeen equals eight point 36 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 2: seven per game, the averages in the game. He beats 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 2: it easily. Yeah, there's gona be a lot of double 38 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 2: digit ones in there. Yeah, I mean I doubt there's 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 2: many fours and threes. There won't be any of those. 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: I mean, assuming he plays like the low end is 41 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: probably six seven. Yeah, I think that's a bad day 42 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,079 Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, I think that's within range. I don't 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: think any of the other guy does that. 44 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 3: Given his I mean, he does have game breaking speed. 45 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: And oh it's not like he's bad anywhere. Right, he 46 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: could go over two thousand yards too. Tyreek was close 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: to two thousand last year. I missed a game. I 48 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 2: just think Tyreek's better and scores more touchdowns. But he's 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,239 Speaker 2: not going to get the volume. No, he won't. He won't. 50 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 2: And I also worry about end of season Dolphins passing game. 51 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: I mean, to his numbers drop dramatically. But Tyreek's my one. 52 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 2: But there is a strong case this year for Lamb 53 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: to be that guy. And I get it. I mean, 54 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,959 Speaker 2: he's gonna get so many more targets than anyone else 55 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 2: on the Cowboy. 56 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, does he finish with He's got good quarterback forty 57 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 3: more targets than Tyreek Hill thirty more. 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 2: Say maybe thirty, maybe twenty five. I bet Tyreek does 59 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: more per target than anyone to lead. Yeah, I mean 60 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: I think he was number one in yards per route run. 61 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: It's close, It's close. I've been saying this for a while, 62 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: like I don't really want to pick in Fantasy one, two, three, four. 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 2: I'll take four or five and just one of those 64 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: guys that falls to me or you know. 65 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: See I don't have a I don't know that I 66 00:03:27,000 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 3: want one. 67 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: I don't want one. 68 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 3: I don't want but I'll take any of those other guys, like, yeah, 69 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 3: it doesn't matter, you know, the probably they're all going 70 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 3: to produce, like you had. 71 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: Three of Jamar Chase. Take Jamar Chase. Yeah. Yeah. My 72 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: logic on chasing that high is I think this is 73 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 2: going to be the year where he goes from great 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 2: to awesome. Yeah, And my logic is he's trying to 75 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: get paid. He's trying to get paid. Let's hope, well, 76 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: not for Squilar's sake, but for for Bengal Fantasy's sake. 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 2: Burrow plays the majority of the year for once, that 78 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: would go a long way. But because of Tyler Boyd 79 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: being gone, Yeah, I think Chase now goes the slot 80 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: and you get a lot more Fantasy points per slot 81 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: route run than you do outside, no matter who you are. 82 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: Like when Tyreek goes the slot, he produces more, When 83 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: Lamb goes the slot, he produces more. And Chase has 84 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: never gotten slot options and they don't really have any 85 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: other slot type guys. So in three receivers, I'm just 86 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: hunching that he goes inside, which will be good for him, 87 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: and before you have justin Jefferson, there's always one. And 88 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: I think he's clearly four behind those guys this year. 89 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, because of the quarterback situation. 90 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 2: I agreed. And when I started doing these, and I've 91 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: changed my tune a little bit, I thought there were 92 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 2: seven guys, three running backs, McCaffrey, Breist, Hall, Bijon, and 93 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: these top four receivers that are what I would have 94 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: called elite, and Jefferson would have been seven of that 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 2: group for me. I mean, so like if in my 96 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: main league, we pull cards and if you get the ace, 97 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 2: you get to pick whatever spot you want. I'm like, 98 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: I'll take seven. I like to be in the middle 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: and I just get the worst guy whoever falls. But 100 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: now I'm even looking at it, like I'm on Ross 101 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: Saint Brown at five might be closer to Jefferson at 102 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: four than Jefferson is to Chase at three. I think 103 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: he is. Yeah, I'm starting to lean that way too, 104 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: because he's going to get every bit the volume Jefferson does. Yeah, 105 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 2: probably higher quality targets. Yeah, I'm not sure he's a 106 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 2: good a football player. He's not, but that doesn't always matter. 107 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,080 Speaker 2: Matter what we're doing here, right, would you take Saint 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 2: Brown over Jefferson? I would consider it. I'm starting to 109 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 2: lean that way. I don't know if I'm ready to 110 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: bump him up there, but I now think there's eight guys. 111 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you want to talk about a guy every week? 112 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: Is every week eight catches? I had him last year 113 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 2: in my main league, and it's just twenty points. Twenty points, 114 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 2: you know, If he scores, it's twenty two. If he doesn't, 115 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 2: it's sixteen. You know, I mean a PPR And I 116 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: did these for half PPR just to make everyone happy 117 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: and kind of, you know, go split the difference a little. 118 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think he's well above the next receiver, 119 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: who is Gear Wilson. Yeah, Well, to say well well 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: above is harsh, but he's so proven. Yeah, yeah, I 121 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 2: think I've I have Wilson and A. J. Brown the 122 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 2: next two, right, Yeah, And I've gone back and forth 123 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 2: who I prefer in those two. I think those I'd 124 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 2: be very happy with them at the tenth pick, the 125 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 2: twelfth pick. Take them both at the turn, you know, Yeah, 126 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: I don't know who I prefer though. At eight, you 127 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 2: have DeVante Adams real quick. Wilson's the guy I think 128 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: is one of the few guys on this list that 129 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 2: might be one next year. Like I could write a 130 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 2: story where Wilson is one next I don't see that, 131 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,480 Speaker 2: not with the other guys. I mean, the people had 132 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: them are awesome. I think if he has I think 133 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 2: he could be one of the guys that approaches two thousand. 134 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 3: Remember as well, you know Aaron Rodgers is going to 135 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 3: be forty one. 136 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,119 Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's a good point. I mean, next year's 137 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 2: version of Rogers might keep Wilson from being one. It 138 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 2: might not even be Wilson's fault. Yeah, okay, he may 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: not even be a jet m. Yeah, he may not 140 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: even playing football anymore. So you have Adams at eight, 141 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: Pook and the Coup at nine. 142 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised you have pooking the coup of 143 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:00,559 Speaker 3: that high both those guys. 144 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 2: I'm not sure I'm paying that price for, you know 145 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, I love Adams and he's the 146 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: number one there, but his age is starting to be something. Yeah, 147 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: Nikua's I don't think of splashing the pan most people 148 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: have in nikupa ahead of like A. J. Brown and Wilson, 149 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: which I don't see at all. Coups. 150 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: He's not going to go away, He's going to get targets. 151 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's a good offense. The 152 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: guys behind him, there's a couple that are younger behind 153 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: it Nikua, well not younger than him, but they're they're 154 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: more talented than him, but they're a little more volatile. Yeah, 155 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know what to do with them. At ten, 156 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 2: you have Crystal Lovey. I don't love that quarterback situation. 157 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: At eleven target ye competition though, eleven you have Drake London. 158 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:43,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 159 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 3: Uh, twelve is Jaylen Waddle. Have we not do we 160 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 3: not learn something last year from the situations with Wattle 161 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 3: and Tyreek Hill? 162 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, Devonte Smith and A. J. 163 00:07:56,560 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 3: Brown, Like those Number two guys didn't have the same 164 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 3: volume that they did to your no good other good. 165 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 2: I want to take him into teams. Though I was 166 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: pretty harsh on Smith compared to consensus Waddle, I'm about 167 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 2: dead on I think the thing about Wattle I like 168 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 2: is he per He fought a lot of injuries last year, 169 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 2: so I'm giving him a pass more than some of 170 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: the Number twos because when he was right, his like 171 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: fantasy or fantasy points per route run was really good 172 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: part of that offense. A lot of singles. But the 173 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: thing is, like, if you really study the Miami passing game, 174 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: Wattle's the one that usually they don't scheme things up for. 175 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 2: Like he lines up on the line of scrimmage and 176 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 2: gets press man coverage and he does a hard stuff 177 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: where Tyreek Hill's flying all around, and they don't set 178 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,559 Speaker 2: things up for Wattle as much, and there's no reason 179 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 2: for them too. Now a great player, but I don't 180 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: know that he is the ceiling the other guys do 181 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 2: because the scheme, which also brings me back in the kua. 182 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 2: Are they going to scheme him up as much with 183 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 2: cups out there? It can't be as much. At thirteen 184 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 2: you have Nico Collins, who I think is better than 185 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: some of those dudes. It's just three guys fighting for 186 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 2: the ball. Yeah, you know. Fourteen you have Mike Evans. 187 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: Had an awesome season. At some point it's going to 188 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 2: start to slow down. Yeah, that's higher than most have Evans, 189 00:09:17,559 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 2: but man, I thought he was tremendous. At least he 190 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: has the same quarterback. A big thing with Evans. The 191 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 2: changed last year and Canalis is gone the offensive coordinator. 192 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: But they did much better job of throwing him slants 193 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: and comebacks. It used to be go route, go route, 194 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: go route, so I think they kind of learned, let's 195 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: feature this guy in the intermediate stuff more and still 196 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 2: mixing the goes. 197 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: Fifteen you have Marvin Harrison, which is below. Were putting him. 198 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 2: And I might bump him up more than bump him down. 199 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: I just am nervous a little about the rookies because 200 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 2: there's so many other good receivers to pick them. Yeah. 201 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 2: I kind of look at it like if I miss 202 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 2: out on him and he blows up, so be it. 203 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 2: I'm stuck with. You'll have somebody else like Evans, you know, like, 204 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 2: and I'm probably happy anyway. And same when we come 205 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: to neighbors. DJ Morey have at sixteen. Yeah, and he 206 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 2: finished much higher than that last year, but I got 207 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 2: to think his target shair goes down. A rookie might 208 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,560 Speaker 2: love Keenan Allen might. Yeah. You know. 209 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 3: Seventeen you have Brandon Ayuk. 210 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 2: Better in real life than fantasy. Yeah, I mean all 211 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 2: my niners are a little low kiddle as well. 212 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 3: Eighteen is Michael Pittman. That scares me a little bit. 213 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 2: I don't know that he'll get that volume. 214 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he gets nearly the volume that 215 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 3: he got last year. And the quarterback just isn't as accurate. 216 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I love the Stike inside of it. Yeah, I 217 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 2: worry about the Richardson side of it, you know, I 218 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: mean is an issue for him. Yeah, and he just 219 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: might not prefer him as much, you know, I mean 220 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: Flack or Minshew loved him, and that was more of 221 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: a Minshew's a much different thrower than Richardson too. Richardson's 222 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 2: going to drive the ball arm strength throws. Yeah, maybe 223 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 2: he's going to. 224 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 3: Mitchell DeVante Adams this year. I'm not afraid of DeVante 225 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: Adams at all. Some people have him. 226 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: A little bit lower you would think the ball football, Yeah, 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 2: in a plus version of Pittman. Yea, it's a good 228 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 2: way looking at it. Yeah. You have Blink Neighbors at nineteen. 229 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: I love them. Very little target competition. Yeah, that's Kyler. 230 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: Gives Harrison the boost over Neighbors to me. But they're 231 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: both are in great situations. 232 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 3: At twenty you have Davante Smith safe. 233 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty one is George Pickens. Yeah. I think I 234 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 2: would rather have George Pickens than DeVante that was my 235 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 2: next question. I've looked at that one a lot too, 236 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 2: and I can't imagine because the target's lower. Yeah, who 237 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: scores more touchdowns? I mean, we're all can see that 238 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: the Eagles are better offense. They'll score more touchdowns than 239 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: the Steelers this year. But Goddard, Yeah, Goddard could have 240 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: eight of them, Barkley could have four. Receiving a J. 241 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 2: Brown's gonna have a bunch. Smith's not exactly built for touchdowns. 242 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 3: He's not you know, catches, he catches them, and it's 243 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: gonna have to be you knoweah. 244 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 2: I mean, we know the target share will well definitely 245 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 2: be Pickens over Smith. Smith's is more proven. Yeah, I 246 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 2: hear you. But for people don't know, I mean Pickens 247 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 2: fantasy points per game. Without Deante he'd be like tenth. Yeah, 248 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: he was a top ten guy. Yeah. Twenty two you 249 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: have dk Metcalf again. Three bodies there, new offensive coordinator. Yeah. 250 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 3: Twenty three is Deebo Samuel okay. Twenty four is Amari Cooper. 251 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 2: He's the one I thin they're gonna throw the ball more. 252 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:25,839 Speaker 2: I never own him though, No, I don't think I've 253 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: ever owned him in any league. Twenty five is Cooper Cup, 254 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: which is higher than most have them, Yeah, which I 255 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: think is warranted. At twenty six is t Higgins. Five 256 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 2: receivers come off the board and you can still give 257 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,440 Speaker 2: me Teeve Higgins. Yeah, I don't take it, not that 258 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: passing offense. 259 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 3: Twenty seven is Tank Dell see the health, but Stroud 260 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 3: loved him. 261 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 2: Twenty eight is Terry McLaurin. I think Diggs is clearly 262 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 2: the three. I think he is too. Yeah. 263 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 3: At twenty nine is Chris Godwin. 264 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: I think there's a bounce back for him too. He's 265 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 2: got a contract to play for. He wasn't one hundred 266 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: percent last year either. 267 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: Thirty is Deontay Johnson. Maybe he should be higher maybe. 268 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: I mean he's the clear number one on. 269 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: That clear number one garbage time matters. I mean, how 270 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 2: many fourth quarter pass is he gonna catch when they're 271 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 2: losing by ten a lot? 272 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: Thirty one is Stefan Diggs. That's the first of the 273 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: three receivers. 274 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, third guy on, third guy. Yeah. 275 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 3: Thirty two is Keenan Allen, who's also a three. 276 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah every year. 277 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's I know, I understand it's a 278 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 3: new team. 279 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: I know. 280 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 3: Do you think he's not going to catch eighty balls 281 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 3: this year. 282 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: I know. I worry him too, low, Like should he 283 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 2: be ahead of a couple of guys ahead of him. 284 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: Thirty three is Zay Flowers. And you see a lot 285 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 3: of the fantasy industry people have Jay Flowers like way 286 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: ahead of Coeurs Pickens even. Yeah, and that's I don't 287 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 3: see that. 288 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: I don't either. I don't think he's built for touchdowns. 289 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 2: Andrews is going to be the one. Yeah. I like 290 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 2: the player, I mean, but he could be my third receiver. 291 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: Thirty four is Calvin Ridley. He scares me too. Yeah, 292 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: he's probably a year or two older people realize. Yeah, 293 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: I mean when it's been a while. I mean, he's 294 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: kind of got to the Shaan Watson field to him, 295 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 2: where he's either suspended or hurt or changing teams, and 296 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: it's like people keep investing in them and you don't 297 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 2: love starting them on Sunday. Thirty five is Marquise Brown. 298 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: If they wouldn't have drafted Worthy, I'd have been even higher. Yeah, 299 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 2: but I still think Brown's gonna have some big plays 300 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: for you. 301 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 3: Thirty six is Christian Kirk Solid, thirty seven is Jackson 302 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 3: Smith and Jigba. 303 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: Higher on him than most, and I reflected it and 304 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,560 Speaker 2: Locket in DK being lower. I think he's a breakout 305 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: player this year. 306 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 3: You got DeAndre Hopkins at thirty eight, Christian Watson at 307 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 3: thirty nine. 308 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 2: So would you rather I Hopkins or Ridley on the 309 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: same team? 310 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: Neither one. 311 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 2: They had the fewest pass attempts in the league last 312 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: I don't want either one. 313 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Jayden Reid and Christian Watson next to each other. 314 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 3: You got Lad Mconkee at forty one, Okay, Jordan Andison 315 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: at forty two. A guy like Mconkee, We've talked about 316 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: a ton. Yeah, but I want to see the preseason 317 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 3: and is he gonna does it look like he's probably 318 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 3: the one on that team we'll see, Yeah, you know, 319 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 3: Jordan or Brian Thomas at forty three, Cam Sutton at 320 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 3: forty four, Tyler Lockett at forty five, Roma Dounza at 321 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: forty six, Jamison Williams at forty seven. 322 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: Like two or three of those guys are gonna hit 323 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 2: big and you get them in the eighth round. 324 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks at forty eight, Mike Williams at forty nine. 325 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: We don't know where he cares me is Yeah, Keon 326 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: Coleman at fifty when we started getting to the questions. 327 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Dontavian Wicks, Johannatson, Josh Downs at fifty, Esaf You're 328 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 3: Worthy at fifty four, or she Rice at fifty five. 329 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna be there to start of 330 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 2: a year. 331 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers at fifty six. 332 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 2: Any of those names excite you or misplaced because a 333 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 2: lot of them are all kind of the same. Yeah, 334 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: I mean there's talent there, and there's a lot of 335 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 2: their number two's. 336 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: I wonder if you could get Jacoby Myers off the 337 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 3: Raiders for the Steelers. 338 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I bet you could. I don't think their 339 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 2: cap situation is great. 340 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: He could get out from them. It's not a terrible contract. No, 341 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 3: it's like thirteen million a year. 342 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 2: He's worth that. Yeah, as a number two. He's a 343 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: good player. Yeah, he's a good I'm surprised that the 344 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 2: Patriots let him go a ton of caps, but maybe 345 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: didn't want to come back. 346 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 3: Curtis Samuel at fifty seven, Rashid Shaheed at fifty eight, 347 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: Jerry Judy at fifty nine, Jalen Polk at sixty. 348 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 2: I think he leads that team interceptions, but somebody got 349 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 2: to it could be Douglas, yeah, I mean I don't know. 350 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: Michael Wilson at sixty one, Rashad Bateman at sixty two, 351 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: Wan Del Robinson at sixty three. 352 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 2: Could get a bump in PPR. I think he'll get 353 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: a lot of eight catches for seventy yards games. 354 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 3: Marvin Mims at sixty four, I don't like him. I 355 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 3: don't like a situation for han On, Like he's a 356 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 3: downfield I threat and there. I don't think they're gonna 357 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: throw the ball down the field. 358 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 2: I don't either, So I don't understand. I'm not sure 359 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 2: what Peyton's doing with drafting those guys. Yeah, because even 360 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 2: frank Klin, he was a bargain, I guess. I mean 361 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: everyone thought Franklin would go on Day two of the 362 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 2: regular draft. They got him to start a round four. 363 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 2: But him and Mems are pretty redundant. Neither one is 364 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: Michael Thomas right by any stretch. They're both downfield, little 365 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 2: skinny guys, and I don't think that's what they're built 366 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: to do. 367 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 3: I'm kind of surprised you have Khalil Shakir third among 368 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 3: the Buffalo receivers. 369 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 2: It was a tough one for me. I don't see 370 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 2: a lot of touchdowns. He could be one though, he 371 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 2: could be their number one. Yeah. One thing I don't 372 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,880 Speaker 2: understand with the Bills, this isn't super fantasy relevant, is 373 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: I think all their receivers are best in the slot. Yeah, 374 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 2: I mean, Samuel's a move slot, Keon Coleman's really a 375 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 2: big slot like a Colson, and Shakiir is like a 376 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 2: traditional slot. Like who's going to line up outside at X? 377 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. 378 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 3: You get the Marcus Robinson at sixty six. 379 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 2: Sneaky if you pay attention to him. I mean, I 380 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 2: know even when Kupp was in there, he was product 381 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: I A is a third receiver for the Rams. He's 382 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,640 Speaker 2: out there a lot, and he really did well at 383 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: the end of the year with I mean, couple was injured, 384 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 2: but he put up a lot better numbers than you think. 385 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 3: That would be another guy I would make a phone 386 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: call about. 387 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,719 Speaker 2: I know you had off the field stuff coming out 388 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: of Florida. Yeah, that was six years ago there, right. Yeah, 389 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: they just paid him though, so I don't think. Yeah, 390 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: they probably that. 391 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 3: Darnel Mooney at sixty seven, Adam Thielen at sixty eight, 392 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: and de Mario Douglas at sixty nine. 393 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have a ton to add to those guys. 394 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think Theling's gonna get swept off 395 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 2: the planet. Yeah, they probably will. He start all year. 396 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,679 Speaker 2: I mean, if they're one in six, it'll probably be 397 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 2: Deonta and either Mingo or lagett Or. I mean, you 398 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,160 Speaker 2: gotta think the young guys are going to take over soon. Yeah, 399 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: I mean he's on the long term. If you're the. 400 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 3: Steelers, would you call the Panthers about Adam Thielen. 401 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,119 Speaker 2: It's so bad, I mean you wouldn't have to go 402 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 2: up anything. Yeah, so bad. Yeah, let's see that. 403 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: Let's say the other guy, the young guys are having 404 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,560 Speaker 3: good camps and they Yeah, you know what feeling, you're 405 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: you're not going to play for us? 406 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: Give you six Yeah, you take a contract to the future. 407 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 2: I'm sure his contract's not bad. Yeah, it's start here, 408 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: Yeah for one year. Yeah, maybe somebody goes back. Yeah, 409 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 2: good influence in the room, route runner block a little bit. Yeah, Yeah, 410 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: he would help you win. Yeah, so you could do 411 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 2: a lot worse than that what we go through. 412 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 3: You know, people wonder why we do fantasy stuff. This 413 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 3: is one of the reasons why, because you get ideas. 414 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, when you when you start going through 415 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 3: this stuff and like, are the Raiders going anywhere with 416 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 3: Jacobe Myers? Yeah, I would think people are talking about Davante. 417 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 3: Don't look at like you're not going to get DeVante 418 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 3: Adams all right, right, right, unless you want to give 419 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 3: up something really big. 420 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: But could you get Jacobe Myers? 421 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 3: Maybe if they look at it, you know, we're not 422 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: going anywhere this year. 423 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,119 Speaker 2: Let's let's let's tear it down a little bit. 424 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 3: Or in the case of Adam Thieling, same thing. Guy 425 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 3: that's you know, in his thirties. 426 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 2: Aren't great teams. These guys are older there, they can't 427 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 2: be in the long term plans. I think that's a 428 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 2: great call. Even name you bring up a lot too 429 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 2: giants fighting for a spot now too. He's drafted neighbors, 430 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I should know his name too. 431 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 2: But he'd be an upgrade for the Steelers too, and 432 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 2: he's not gonna be in the long term plans, you know. 433 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of them. That's what you gotta 434 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: look at. 435 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 3: And I don't want to give a first or those 436 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: are things that emerge during camp. They get when they 437 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 3: get these teams get the camp and they realize all 438 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: of a sudden. Let's let's say that the Carolina Panthers 439 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 3: look at this and go, well, theelands really our fourth 440 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 3: or our fifth, and he's not gonna play special teams. 441 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 2: Not gonna play teams, So we really want Mingo on 442 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: the field. Right then, definitely the gat you know, I mean, 443 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: we need to use these guys all we can. They 444 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: may have extended Deonte by then, who knows, Or I mean, 445 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: like a bigger ham is like Tampa starts out one 446 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: and four. Chris Goblin's gonna be free agent after the year. 447 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: You might get that guy during the season and extend 448 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: them when you trade for him. Maybe, but that's like 449 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 2: as big as I think you could shoot. Yeah. 450 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 3: Absolutely, let's get through a break. He is the Matt Williamson. 451 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: I'm Dale Lollet you're listening to the Drive here on 452 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. That's gonna do it for the Fantasy 453 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 3: Football Focus. We'll be back with more right after this. 454 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 455 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 456 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio. 457 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lolli. 458 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 3: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt you sent me 459 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: this over the weekend here, and I guess this count 460 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: comes from Warren Sharp looking at how penalties impacted different teams, 461 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: and anytime the Steelers have a game where they're highly penalized, 462 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: the first thing you hear from the critics is, honest, 463 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 3: team's undisciplined. Oh, this team's so undisciplined. I can't believe 464 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: they Tomlin lets him get away with. 465 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 2: This stuff all the time. 466 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: Steelers ranked twenty seventh in the league in terms of 467 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 3: penalties last year. 468 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 2: Twenty seventh. Twenty seventh. Yeah, that's the twenty seventh most. 469 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: That's the twenty seventh fewest. Exactly. The number one is 470 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: the worst, yeah in this case. So here's where I 471 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 2: got this. Is Warren Sharp, who we referenced a lot, 472 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 2: has a site, and I guess his almanac came out 473 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,160 Speaker 2: this morning. So they've been pumping things that they're gonna 474 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 2: put in the almanac, you know, as is the football 475 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: siders folks at FTN to show you stuff, So give 476 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 2: me a teasers. So they've been going division by division 477 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,920 Speaker 2: and start with AFC East AFC North came out yesterday 478 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 2: or the day before or whatever. How penalties impacted the 479 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 2: team last year, and reading the AFC East was like, man, 480 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: some of these are bad. Reading the AFC North, it's like, 481 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 2: no Wonder, this division is so good. I mean, all 482 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: these teams were quite good more or less in the 483 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: penalty department, and it's just hidden yardage and important stuff. 484 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 2: And even the defenses like Steelers, Ravens and Browns in 485 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: particular in the division, they had some penalties due to aggression, 486 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: you know, face masks and things of that nature, which 487 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 2: shouldn't shock anybody, but they also were highly influential in 488 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: causing offensive penalties for their opponent, you know, like peppering 489 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 2: with blitzes or false starts, trying to block Garrett or 490 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 2: Watt or you know what I mean. So the division overall, 491 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 2: you gain even more respect for reading this thing top 492 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 2: to bottom. It's like, man, no Wonder just thinks so hard. 493 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, just thirty nine percent of the Steelers penalties last 494 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,160 Speaker 3: year were committed by the offense, and palties very few by. 495 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 2: The old line. Line. Yeah, line, you're really clean, yep. 496 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: And maybe that gets a little worse you're gonna get younger. 497 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure there will be a execution penalty 498 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 2: or two rookie center. I don't care who he is, 499 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: but that's gonna be. That's probably Mason Cole's biggest strength 500 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: is the communication of it all. You know where you're 501 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 2: probably gonna lose a little there, but you gain so 502 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 2: much talent. You know. 503 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 3: The Steelers ranked thirtieth in the league in pre snap 504 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 3: penalties per game. 505 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,479 Speaker 2: I bet that blows our opponent away or our listeners away. Oh, 506 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,520 Speaker 2: they're always jumping off sides. They're on this starts Chokes 507 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 2: doesn't know he's doing out there, and Dan Moore are 508 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 2: always jumping like not thatss the league? Yeah, you know, yeah, so. 509 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 3: I mean that's how you do have to look at 510 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: these things in perspective. Yes, that's the thing, you know, 511 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: And that's that's why we're going over this. 512 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: I mean, a few three or four penalties a game, 513 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: everyone's like, oh, undisciplined. Go what's the league compared to 514 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 2: everybody else? 515 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 3: The offensive line was responsible for only eighteen percent of 516 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 3: the team's overall penalties. 517 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's five to twenty seconds of the people 518 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: out there, and they're the easiest team, the easiest position 519 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: a flag too, holds false starts, you know, all that 520 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 2: kind of stuff that's really goalable downfield. All yeah, that's 521 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 2: a great call too. So Steelers, oh line coach should 522 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 2: probably get a little feather in his cap for that too. 523 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: By the way, right, they held their water pretty well, 524 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 2: really well, and they played the ridiculously stretch of defenses too. Yeah, 525 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 2: I mean not only in division, but remember the past 526 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 2: rushers they started the year with boss of Crosby blah blah. 527 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: You know, the Steelers were a top ten defense at 528 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 3: generating pre snap infractions against opposing offenses. 529 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: I think a lot of that's coaching. You know, Baltimore 530 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: was really high, Browns are really high. I think if 531 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 2: you have really threatening dudes at the line a scrimmage 532 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: or you're moving them around, Mike Hilton might be coming 533 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 2: off the edge, you know, like you're going to cause 534 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: people to jump and cause penalties. I think that's a 535 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: real stat that's not fluky. 536 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 3: On the bad side of things, the wide receivers and 537 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 3: tight ends were responsible for an above average percentage of 538 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 3: the offensive penalties. 539 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: But but yeah. 540 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,199 Speaker 3: It's worth noting that new offensive coordinator Arthur Arthur Smith's 541 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: teams committed fewer penalties than the average at those positions. 542 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 2: I think he was better than average, you know, And 543 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 2: so I don't even know what to attribute that to. 544 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 2: I mean, is it George Pickens pushing off more or less? 545 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: Is it a tight end? He had a couple kind 546 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: of there were a couple of. 547 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 3: Times where he got called for crackback blocks or blindside 548 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,360 Speaker 3: blocks where he just kind of stopped him and put 549 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: his butt out and hit somebody he got called for. 550 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: And it's like, yeah, you know, I don't know. Was 551 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,400 Speaker 2: that receivers and tight ends or receivers and tight ends. Yeah, 552 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: So if you told me, I bet that's a lot 553 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: less sticky year to year than no line. Yeah, you 554 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 2: know what I mean, it's probably some some fluid. 555 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 3: On the same on the same by the same token 556 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 3: have more twenty yard runs? 557 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, right right? Which are you can kind of live 558 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 2: with some of that. If the if the receivers are blocking, 559 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 2: if you can spring for an extra ten yards here 560 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 2: and there. 561 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 3: You're out of space, you're gonna get you know, and 562 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 3: you get caught for you know, a hold or something 563 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 3: like that. 564 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. That's gonna happen. But no, I think 565 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 2: it's good too that Smith was the opposite in that regard. 566 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: Uh So most of these teams go through them. The 567 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: negatives are as high as the positives. Yeah, Like we're 568 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 2: almost out of negatives when we had of ten minutes 569 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 2: for the positives there. 570 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: The defensive backs are responsible for thirty two percent of 571 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: the team's penalty and penalties and thirty four percent of 572 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,399 Speaker 3: the total penalty yardage. Well, that makes they're gonna be 573 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: a heavily pass interferences. Yeah, you know, he's going to 574 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 3: create some of that. 575 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 2: And I think they made changes. There's a new strong safety, 576 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: there's a new starting corner, there's gonna be a new slot. 577 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: So we'll see some. 578 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,639 Speaker 3: Stuff here that from some of the other teams in 579 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 3: the division that stood out to me. The Ravens were 580 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 3: co leaders for roughing the passer and led the NFL 581 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 3: and face mask penalties. 582 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: Yep, I mean they're a nasty team like the Steelers. 583 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: There's a couple things. 584 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 3: They're also ranked in the top ten for unnecessary roughness 585 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 3: h that acounted for twenty six of their percent of 586 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 3: their total penalty yardage last year. 587 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 2: Wow. And some of it. I cut a few things 588 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 2: out of this extreamline it, but they do talk about 589 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: the division as a whole nastiness kind of rules of 590 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 2: division more than others. And the teams that do well 591 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 2: have some infractions that aren't friendly, you know, face masks 592 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 2: and things like that. But there's a quote in there 593 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: about the Ravens, because whoever does this for sharp does 594 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: it year after year after year says something along the 595 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,720 Speaker 2: lines of their defensive holding was near the top of 596 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 2: the league, and they probably get away with a more 597 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: defensive hole. Then every year, you know, they just do 598 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: it to death. Then people get sick of throwing flags 599 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 2: on as it. 600 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: It's a proven strategy in the reality for the Baltimore's 601 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: defense gets away with far more holding calls than they 602 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 3: are ever penalized form. 603 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 2: And this is a total impartial writer. 604 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, get it right, And too is that you you 605 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 3: know if you hold, so if you're holding on every play, 606 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: they're not going to call it on everything. 607 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 2: That's a big thing. Like the Legion of Boom was 608 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 2: big on that. They were big, long guys, but they 609 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: weren't super fast. So I'm gonna wrap my arms around 610 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 2: you a little bit. And if I get more calls 611 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,479 Speaker 2: than most teams, fine, But if I get away with 612 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 2: more calls than most teams, great, especially in big games 613 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 2: like Super Bowl. Refs aren't going to throw the flag 614 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: on that over and over. You know. 615 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: I wonder if this accounts for some of the stuff 616 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 3: that we've talked about with Baltimore. I'm sorry with Cleveland's 617 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: defense being much better at home than on the road. 618 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,880 Speaker 3: An NFL leading thirty two percent of the penalties on 619 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: Brown's opponents were assessed via false start infractions. 620 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 2: Wow, those definitely have a. 621 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 3: More one, sure than they do for the home team. 622 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 2: I bet they're they broke it down home versus road. 623 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 2: It's probably big. 624 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 3: So all of a sudden, you're in first and fifteen 625 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: against a good defense in their building and think it's 626 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 3: a loud building and that doesn't happen on the road 627 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 3: as on the road. 628 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 2: And sure helps to have Garrett and Watt and those 629 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 2: guys too for false start stuff. But right, I bet 630 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 2: Home goes a long way with that. It's a good thought. 631 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: But what's interesting is a lot of these teams, all 632 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,479 Speaker 2: three of these for of these teams have a lot 633 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 2: of similarities. Now, most divisions don't. 634 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: The Bengals were thirty first in penalties per game average 635 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 3: and averaged the fewest yards surrendered per game in the NFL. 636 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: And I didn't know that until reading it the other day. 637 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: And then they take it a step further. Really, since 638 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 2: Burrow has been there, Ben Taylor, I mean the Burrow Taylor, 639 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 2: Taylor's there before him, they've always been really really good 640 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: in the penalty department that they never never do that 641 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 2: and all those guys, all the goofs are gone. Yeah, yeah, 642 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 2: you're right. 643 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 3: So I mean that goes a long way towards helping 644 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: that out as well. 645 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 2: But that's a trend with the Bengals that I didn't 646 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 2: realize un till this year. Yeah. 647 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 3: So the Bengals did rank second and delay of game 648 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 3: in French infractions. 649 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: In the league, which is a lot of different quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah, 650 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 2: I would think with the multitude of quarterbacks there were, 651 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,600 Speaker 2: there was some Brown stat that was actually good despite 652 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 2: having all the quarterbacks coming in and out. But now 653 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: I think you look at it like Harvugh Tomlin are 654 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: two of the best coaches in the league and have 655 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 2: been for well over a decade. Brown's coach has won 656 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 2: the Coach of the year twice, Taylor's won a lot 657 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 2: more games than he's lost. Like the competition and division's hard, 658 00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, despite being super physical, things like penalties aren't 659 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 2: or positives for these four teams. It's hard to find negatives. 660 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: Keep that in mind, you know, when you start talking 661 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 3: about the Steelers being just an undisciplined team. Twenty seventh 662 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: in penalties last year, right, and that's not something new, 663 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 3: It's been a pretty concern. 664 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder how sticky some of these things 665 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 2: are year to year. I think I think they are, 666 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 2: especially if the same head coach is in place. 667 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: Well, I mean you see it. You know, for example, 668 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: before during every practice, the Steelers defenders line up with 669 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 3: the football on a stick. 670 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they practice their get off. Sure. 671 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: Sure, And you don't move until the ball moves and 672 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,200 Speaker 3: everybody in a line, and you work on that. Not 673 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: only you're working on your get off, you're working on 674 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: watching the football. 675 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I go back to the coaches. 676 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: I mean, Don Shula was known when I was a kid. 677 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 2: They were always first in the league in penalties. So 678 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 2: it's just one of those things, like you knew they 679 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: were going to be the best team in the league 680 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: year after year in penalties and penalty yards taken and 681 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: eat and the Raiders were the exact. Raiders are the opposite, 682 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 2: and they just wanted to have that right. 683 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 3: We're going to walk that line, and you know, and 684 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 3: some of its scheme comes over it. 685 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 2: You know, like if you play a lot of man, 686 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: you'll probably get more pass interference calls that are bigger ones. 687 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 3: Which explains some of the The Steelers play a little 688 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 3: bit more man than most teams, and they explain some of. 689 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 2: The ras in Cleveland play a lot of man. And 690 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 2: they still weren't that bad in penalties, right, you know, 691 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: I mean they're still doing it living on the edge 692 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 2: a little bit and still positive penalty teams and the 693 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 2: hard against had those three defenses more so than the 694 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 2: Bengals force the offense into a lot of penalties. Yeah, 695 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 2: there's something to be said for that too. There's no 696 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 2: stats for those, you know. 697 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Let's get to a break. 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He is Matt Williamson. I am Dale 711 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 3: Lolly and this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio 712 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 3: and Matt. Over the weekend, Patrick Peterson was doing. He 713 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: was on something I don't even know what. 714 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 2: Do I know he has his own podcast and he's 715 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 2: in social media a lot. 716 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 3: But he was talking about how there's a lot of 717 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 3: veteran defensive backs who are still unsigned at this point. 718 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: Interesting, and I think it goes back to you know, 719 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 2: I really think it goes back to the kickoff rule. Ah, 720 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: you mention there's a lot. 721 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,720 Speaker 3: Of veteran players out there who are not getting signed 722 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 3: at this point because I think teams really want to 723 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 3: take a look at young guys in early in training 724 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 3: camp to see how they maybe even the first couple 725 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: of preseason games on how this kickoff role is going 726 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 3: to affect things before they go out and sign these 727 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: veteran guys. Because if you're going to be a third 728 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: or fourth cornerback or you know, a backup safety, you 729 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 3: got to be able to play teams. 730 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: You'll be able to play teams. And it's an interesting thought. 731 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 2: So let's use Peterson as example. So if you're Danny Smith, 732 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 2: do you want to spend his X amount of hours 733 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: teaching him the new kickoff rule that he's never done, 734 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: or would you rather do that with the six round 735 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 2: pick or he might have for four or five years 736 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 2: and be a core special team or where Peterson Peters 737 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 2: is a bad example, But anyone like that might be 738 00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: like I've never played teams, I'm not interested in teams, 739 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 2: or yeah, I'll play teams. And then when it comes 740 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 2: down to you don't trust them and they're not just 741 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 2: not good at heart's not in it and you know 742 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,719 Speaker 2: they're a corner you know what I mean? So I 743 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,919 Speaker 2: do think back to how do we start the show? 744 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: Was just slot corners. There's a lot out there, you know. 745 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 2: I mean you could sign Patrick Peterson tell him to 746 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 2: play the slot only. I mean, you'd cost nothing. He's 747 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 2: a good locker room guy. There's probably ten other names 748 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 2: we could come up with, So I think that is 749 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 2: a good call. Though. I bet the kickoff rule is 750 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 2: hurting a lot of the veterans. 751 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, it just seems like there's an inordinate amount of 752 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 3: veteran guys out there, the Marcus Golden's guys that you 753 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 3: know can play and contribute, Yeah, and they're not on 754 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: rosters right now. 755 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 2: And especially on defense. Yeah. I think that, to me 756 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 2: is the big reason for it. Yeah, which is good 757 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 2: news really from a Steeler perspective. I mean, like quant 758 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 2: Alexander is a perfect example. There's a lot of guys 759 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,200 Speaker 2: that are comparable to last year's version of Kuant Alexander. 760 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,720 Speaker 2: I can't imagine Steelers woul be an off ball linebacker. 761 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 2: I'm just using him because that was a week spot 762 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 2: in camp and they found someone that was more than serviceable. 763 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 2: If lock corners a week spot in camp, if one 764 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 2: or two year d linemen get hurt, I still think 765 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,880 Speaker 2: there's an edge spot available right now for a Golden 766 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 2: or somebody like that, and I think Golden's a great example, 767 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 2: Like do we trust him on the kickoff team at all? 768 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 2: You know, I mean or Justin Houston or somebody like that. 769 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 2: They're they've never done it. Even in college, they were 770 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 2: star they were starved pass rushers. You know, they were 771 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 2: big guys. You know, those guys weren't used on teams. 772 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 3: And now I think this year, because of that kickoff rule, 773 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 3: I think you're gonna see You're gonna want to see 774 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 3: more outside linebacker body types out there because I think offensively, 775 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 3: you're gonna have more tight. 776 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: Ends, full backs. Yeah, guys who are. 777 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,200 Speaker 3: Blocking there, so you don't want your defensive backs out 778 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 3: there trying to get around you know, tight ends and fullbacks. 779 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: Like I'm far from a special teams expert, if but 780 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 2: if last year's kickoff coverage team had six or seven 781 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 2: defensive backs on it, this year it might have four 782 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 2: or five. 783 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean some speed out there, of course, But 784 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: he can't it can't be just that because if those 785 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 3: guys get swallowed up, he creates a lane. And with 786 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 3: this kickoff rule, I've also had people ask. 787 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: Me, don't want a lot of linebackers on the field. 788 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 2: I want Peyton Wilson out. Yeah, more than I want Patrick. 789 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 3: I went inside linebackers. I want outside linebackers, Guys that 790 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 3: are big, that can run. I think there are gonna 791 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: be a premium this year on the special teams. 792 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 2: I love the way that Killer Brew phrased it like 793 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 2: he'll be great at it. But he looked at it 794 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:35,640 Speaker 2: like a paraphrasing, but like an expanded outside zone defense. Yeah, 795 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 2: I'm just playing against an outside zone run. How do 796 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 2: I handle this from a second level safety or a 797 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: third level safety or you know, how do I take 798 00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 2: on this block? If I'm a little cornerback or a 799 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 2: wide receiver, I'm not taking on Connor gets swept right 800 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 2: out of the picture, right. You know. It's like from 801 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,839 Speaker 2: a Steelers return perspective. You know Peterson's would be geting 802 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: or Patterson's going to be getting the ball, but he's 803 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 2: gonna have a big du He's a big dude. I mean, 804 00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 2: do you want Hilton trying to tackle him in a 805 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 2: short area that's not easy? Do I want Hilton? I'm 806 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,240 Speaker 2: picking on Hilton. I just pulled out a small corner 807 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 2: or Peterson or whoever taken on Hayward and the Steeler 808 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 2: tight ends that will be out there. Darnold Washington might 809 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 2: be out there, you know, I mean like blasting in 810 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 2: the next week. I mean maybe even some of the 811 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: athletic O lineman or D lineman might be out there. 812 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 3: That's why I'm gonna be curious to see how many 813 00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 3: teams use offensive lineman up. Like if you've got you 814 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 3: get some young offensive linemen that are pretty. 815 00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:35,600 Speaker 2: Nine five, yeah, that can run. Yeah. I definitely think 816 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,560 Speaker 2: the big blocking tight ends will be out there. Yeah. 817 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 2: I mean even like Marcedes Lewis, who's our age, might 818 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 2: be out there at this point. Who knows, but I 819 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 2: think Washington will be. But yeah, that's really interesting. I 820 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: also wonder, like the Boykins and cassim Osgoods, are they 821 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 2: as valuable as they were because the big receiver types 822 00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,800 Speaker 2: that don't really catch the football ever, Yeah, I wonder 823 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,080 Speaker 2: well they've since their offensive players? Is my perspective is 824 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 2: do you want them on kickoff coverage now reading blocks 825 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 2: and you know, as much ever done it unfast tackle 826 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 2: more like a gunner. But do I want them playing 827 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: true NFL defense or a version of NFL defense on 828 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,359 Speaker 2: the kickoff for coverage team? I don't know. 829 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 3: I've also been asked, well, why would you just kick 830 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,879 Speaker 3: the ball into the end zone every time? 831 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: That's exactly what the rules don't want. 832 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna give the team the ball to thirty. 833 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was even the forty thirty. I 834 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 2: think it's if you kick it. I think you're right. 835 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,279 Speaker 2: I think you're right. Yeah. So even like if you 836 00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: just look at we always reference this, but if you 837 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,479 Speaker 2: go to Football Siders now FTN their database, you can 838 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:48,120 Speaker 2: see every team where their average starting drive is. And 839 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: that's not just on kickoffs. I mean that's sometimes you 840 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 2: get the ball to fifty. Sometimes you pick the ball 841 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 2: off in the end zone or in the red zone, 842 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 2: anything or whatever. But like all of them are under 843 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,399 Speaker 2: the thirty yard line, right, So every team the league 844 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 2: would say I'll gladly start any drive on the. 845 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,239 Speaker 3: Team that the team that leads the league is their 846 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,279 Speaker 3: average starting is like twenty eight point seven. 847 00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:09,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, like twenty seven is good, you know what I mean, 848 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:09,919 Speaker 2: he's gonna want. 849 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,320 Speaker 3: To give the team to thirty. 850 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 2: No, No, every team the league will be like, I'll 851 00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,520 Speaker 2: gladly start an opening kickoff drive at the thirty. Yeah, 852 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 2: I'll take it. I'll take that bird in the hand 853 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 2: all day long, and maybe the rules changed by that. 854 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,600 Speaker 2: You know, we might watch Patterson consistently bring it out 855 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: past the thirty and then everyone will say, well, maybe 856 00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:26,879 Speaker 2: we should kick on the end zone against this team. 857 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 2: That you can still bring the ball out. It doesn't 858 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,920 Speaker 2: mean there's no return, right, You're going to realize that's 859 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 2: how teams are gonna feel to you too. I mean, 860 00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 2: you could still just like any other kickoff. He could 861 00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 2: catch it and bring it out. Right. It's gonna be fun. 862 00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm curious. 863 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 3: It's it's gonna be different, for sure, to be different. 864 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,479 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be very interested to watch the first couple. 865 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 2: I'll watch all the preseason. 866 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: Games this year m HM, specifically to see how different 867 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 3: teams utilize or try to maneuver themselves around that rule. 868 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't envy Danny Smith or the assistant 869 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 2: coaches out there, because if I'm them, I want to 870 00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,720 Speaker 2: watch every kick off in the entire preseason. Yeah, and 871 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,600 Speaker 2: a lot of teams won't even show you their trick 872 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,080 Speaker 2: stuff and their cool stuff, you know, but at least 873 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 2: you'll see what bodies are out there. 874 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what That's what I'm really interested to see. 875 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,279 Speaker 3: How different teams approach it. 876 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 2: Now, how do you how much do you want to 877 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 2: show Atlanta in those two preseason games? How much is 878 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 2: Atlanta going to show you they even gonna put the 879 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 2: right bodies out there? We only do that in practice. 880 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 2: There's gonna be a lot of cat and mouse early 881 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 2: in the season. Yeah, I think so as well. But Matt, 882 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: that's going to do it for the show today. But lastly, 883 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 2: that there's like two piece of good news there. Like folks, 884 00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 2: there's a lot of defensive backs out there, I agree 885 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 2: with Peterson, and it's not because they're bad cover guys, 886 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 2: you know, it's probably for that reason. Yeah, you can 887 00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 2: get them absolutely, But as I said, that's going to 888 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 2: do it right show today. 889 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 3: So for my partner Matt Williamson, for Brian Lamartine here 890 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 3: on site keeping us on the air, I'm Dale Lalli. 891 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 3: We thank you for listening to this edition of the 892 00:40:47,520 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 3: Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.