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Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson except no imitations and Matt. There

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Speaker 3: are reports out there that the Steelers are in the

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Speaker 3: process of well, they've we're going to sign wide receiver

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Speaker 3: Robert Woods.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean,

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Speaker 2: big brother, veteran in the room. Probably good for George,

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Speaker 2: you know, and some other young guys. He's been around

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Speaker 2: the block. He's always been a very accomplished inside out blocker,

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Speaker 2: et cetera. Now, I don't think he's got a lot

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Speaker 2: in the tank. I don't think he's super explosive at

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Speaker 2: this point, but he's had a good career. Did some

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Speaker 2: homework on him since the news last night. And he

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Speaker 2: has a tough time getting off man coverage, you know,

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Speaker 2: as because of the quickness and the physicality of it all.

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Speaker 2: But he still has a real good feel for his zone.

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Speaker 2: He's a really good blocker, kind of has an Alan

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Speaker 2: Robinson feel to it, you know, good and bad, you know,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's they're not making him the feature receiver, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the thing here.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if he's your you know, a depth piece.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he makes team. I mean like

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Speaker 2: to be the fifth guy.

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Speaker 3: Four hundred snaps last year for the Texans.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well you know, okay, right right right, that's okay,

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Speaker 2: yeah right. I thought a sixth guy was not needed,

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Speaker 2: but would have been welcome, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know you bring in that guy. As

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Speaker 3: you mentioned, he's played both slot and outside. I think

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Speaker 3: he's probably better suited to disappoint in his career to

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Speaker 3: to play more inside. But he agree he can bump outside,

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Speaker 3: and you just see different cornerbacks inside from what you

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Speaker 3: see outside. Outside. You see the Joey Porter juniors right

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Speaker 3: right right inside you see the Beach Bishop right right right.

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Speaker 2: Which I think is to my point about the man coverage.

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Speaker 2: I think he's better either reduced or moving in motion

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Speaker 2: or out of the slot, but he can't line up

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Speaker 2: on line of scrimmage and be effective. He's not super explosive,

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Speaker 2: but you get some good snaps out of him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to your point about his what he does against

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Speaker 3: his own coverages, if you look at it.

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Speaker 2: I didn't look at the numbers. I just watched them

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Speaker 2: tape the stuff over the middle for him. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: is an over the middle receiver now at this point,

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Speaker 2: I could absolutely see that kind of a Cooper cup light.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean, that type of guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: physical of his What do you have last year or mine?

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Speaker 2: The right year?

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Speaker 3: That's back in twenty twenty two. If last season he

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Speaker 3: had twenty catches, last season wasn't a great year, no, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean he's on the back nine. But all but

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Speaker 3: seventeen of them came between the numbers.

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Speaker 2: Really that heavy? Okay? That heavy?

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Speaker 3: Okay, if you look back at twenty twenty three, it's

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Speaker 3: even more so the case he had six twenty two,

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Speaker 3: twenty five of his catches. I think he had thirty

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Speaker 3: or forty, maybe twenty five of his forty catches came

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Speaker 3: between the numbers. Really, I mean, he has been a

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Speaker 3: between the numbers short and intermediate.

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Speaker 2: That definitely adds up with what I was watching in

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Speaker 2: his reputation and all those things. I didn't realize it

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Speaker 2: was that heavy. So it brings me everyone's out there like, well,

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Speaker 2: I'll never catch a ball in between the numbers here.

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Speaker 2: They don't ever throw it between numbers, folks. That was

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Speaker 2: a quarterback thing. That's not an Arthur Smith thing.

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Speaker 3: It's also the you know, given the receivers that you

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Speaker 3: it is. You know, if you have guys that are

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Speaker 3: capable of going over the middle and catching the football,

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Speaker 3: then you'll see more of that. If you don't, if

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Speaker 3: it's just your tight ends, well you know, it just

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Speaker 3: changes things.

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Speaker 2: A little bit. Now. But I assuming Rogers is a

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Speaker 3: The okay, so here's the thing about Rogers. The people

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Speaker 3: who think that he is not signing or not going

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Speaker 3: to play football this year. If you're forty one years

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Speaker 3: old and you're going to retire, you don't go out

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Speaker 3: and throw.

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Speaker 2: Catch dk metcip is it here?

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Speaker 3: If I'm done, I'm done. Are there any videos out there,

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Speaker 3: for example, of Tom Brady or Peyton Manning out there

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Speaker 2: Does it anymore?

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Speaker 3: No? Right right, they're done.

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Speaker 2: And ship is sailed. You're on a beach with a

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Speaker 3: Probably in the off season. Your body hurts throwing the football.

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Speaker 3: When you've thrown the football, you wouldn't just do a

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Speaker 3: million times in your in your lifetime.

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Speaker 2: You're like, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: If I want to do that anymore.

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Speaker 2: The ship is sailed. Yeah, I can't believe he's not

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Speaker 2: going to play football.

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Speaker 3: I would find it very hard to believe that he

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Speaker 3: is not going to play football. You don't just give

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Speaker 3: them the of who he worked out with, right, come on.

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Speaker 2: It's a pretty good indicator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Sho cards. Yeah, you know, And I don't know what

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Speaker 2: personal stuff's going on in his life or whatever, but no,

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Speaker 2: I think the Steelers do. I would think so yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and again I would expect more middle of the field passing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, more middle of the field passing, which is why

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Speaker 3: you go get another middle of the field target. They've

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Speaker 3: got rookie mini camp May tenth, eleventh, and twelfth. That's

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Speaker 3: the next thing that they have on Friday, Saturday and

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Speaker 3: Sunday next week after.

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Speaker 2: Like Camyward is not going to be at that, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean's rookie mini. Rogers doesn't need to be there,

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Speaker 2: and the veterans aren't going to be there.

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Speaker 3: They don't start their OTAs until May twenty. First. The

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Speaker 3: stuff with the coaches on the field.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the next football thing.

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Speaker 3: That's the next football thing.

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Speaker 2: There'll be a player or two in the building here

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Speaker 2: and there, but the next time they're in the building

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Speaker 2: is almost a month from now. Yeah, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: the next time that they do football stuff as a team.

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Speaker 2: So he can take your time, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: make down anyway.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you gotta do, get it done with. Because again,

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Speaker 3: as I've said consistently all along, once you're in, you're in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, once you sign, we're not doing this anymore.

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Speaker 2: No Egypt trips, no dark retreats, or whatever it is

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Speaker 2: you do. And I'm sure people like, well, should he

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Speaker 2: be learning the playbook? I think he can figure out

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Speaker 2: an NFL offense at this point, and he may even

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Speaker 2: have it. I don't know, right, I don't know. I'm

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Speaker 2: sure they could ship it to him, you know, right,

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Speaker 2: or email to him whatever, you know.

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Speaker 3: You know, so you go, you get another middle of

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Speaker 3: the field weapon. Now I look at the offense and

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Speaker 3: it's kind of complete. Yeah, I would definitely keep offensive linemen,

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Speaker 3: but they have they have enough. It's just is it

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Speaker 3: enough quality. That's that's the only question, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Think we obviously know who the five starters are, and

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Speaker 2: they're going to be unchallenged, you know for those jobs.

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Speaker 2: If a depth piece were to arise, I would be

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Speaker 2: real interested. But there's not enough for them for another receiver.

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Speaker 2: Even if quarter O Patterson gets released, I don't think

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Speaker 2: you're even in the market for another back. Of note,

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Speaker 2: maybe a tight end. I mean they keep five of them.

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Speaker 2: They got five of them with the undrafted rookies, right right, right,

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Speaker 2: tight ends out the wazoo. Yeah, yeah, I'm just reaching here,

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Speaker 2: but I think you're done a quarterback. Well, not quite,

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Speaker 2: but I think we covered that. Yeah, I keep thinking

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Speaker 2: it's a dud deal, but you know, I think we

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Speaker 2: handled that situation or brought it up from time to time.

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're after another receiver.

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Speaker 3: No, And it's interesting, you know. For example, the Browns

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Speaker 3: on yesterday signed Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, despite the headaches and being with the loss of

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Speaker 2: the teams and right, a.

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Speaker 3: Couple of teams put tender offers restricted ten or yeah,

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Speaker 3: kind of restricted tender offers out on guys who are

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Speaker 3: still free agents, which is a little different rule that

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Speaker 3: camp must be went over my head. It hadn't been

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Speaker 3: done since twenty twenty two. The Chiefs did it with

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the Browns did it with the receiver, the

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Speaker 2: little slot Elijah Moore. Yeah, okay, so he is an

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Speaker 2: unrestricted he's a.

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Speaker 3: Unrestricted free agent, but they they tendered him an offer,

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Speaker 3: which means that now if somebody signs him, it counts

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Speaker 3: against the comp formula for them. You don't get a pickback,

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Speaker 3: which you get the opportunity to match.

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Speaker 2: Okay, can you do that with anyone?

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Speaker 3: Apparently because the of all teams, the Chargers also did

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Speaker 3: it with JK. Dobbins.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So hypothetical Steelers signed JK. Dobbins or it would

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Speaker 2: count against their comp formula. It would count against the Steelers. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: I thought maybe it was only the only the original team.

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Speaker 3: No, but those guys in if they're going to play football,

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Speaker 3: they're only going to make like three point four million.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So they have a contract. If Dallas signs of

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Speaker 2: whoever signs him, it has to be for that deal.

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Speaker 3: No, they have the opportunity to match.

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Speaker 2: They get a restricted free agent situation.

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Speaker 3: But again, if I would the player sign it, if

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Speaker 3: you go over that, then the team gets perhaps compensation back.

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Speaker 2: Okay, post draft, Well, why would Dobbins are more sign

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Speaker 2: that what.

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Speaker 3: They're going to if they're going to play football this year.

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Speaker 3: If nobody else makes them an offer, they got the

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Speaker 3: they got a standing offer from those teams.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so they can be a Charger. I mean

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Speaker 2: that's still they're not just okay, I think I understand.

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Speaker 3: They're not floating in limbo. They have an offer on

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Speaker 3: the table here. This is okay, free agency. The draft

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Speaker 3: is over, but here's an offer for you. You can come

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Speaker 3: back and sign here. This is the offer.

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Speaker 2: And now, okay, do you know if that's weird to me?

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Speaker 3: If the Chargers thing I had, Yeah, I hadn't really

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Speaker 3: heard of it.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't either.

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Speaker 3: I had to research it this morning a little bit.

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Speaker 2: So if the Chargers of Browns have a one year

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Speaker 2: five million dollar deal in place with these guys and

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Speaker 2: someone comes along and offers a one year.

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Speaker 3: Four it's not even that it's it's three point four million.

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Speaker 3: It's it's a it's.

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Speaker 2: A standard thing. Okay. It's not like we're negotiating.

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Speaker 3: It's just there's no negotiation. This is the this is

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Speaker 3: the restricted free agent Okay, even though you weren't truly

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Speaker 3: a restricted free agent. Here's the here's the money. Okay,

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Speaker 3: this is what it is.

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Speaker 2: So I guess there is some security as a player,

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Speaker 2: like I'm going to get paid this year, would be

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Speaker 2: going to make something, right, I guess you still have

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Speaker 2: to make the team. I mean, if you're the Chargers,

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Speaker 2: why would you do that with Dobbins that just happened. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean post draft yeah, and post Deontae signing. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It was a new thing. I didn't remember the Chiefs

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Speaker 2: Is it have to be post draft that you do it?

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Speaker 2: I believe so, because otherwise the compict still would be

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Speaker 2: they're treating them like restricted free agents even though they're not. Okay,

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Speaker 3: Okay, interesting, Yeah, but I think it has to be

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Speaker 2: H But you're also saying, at least it's something back

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Speaker 2: So does I assume that would make it slightly more

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Speaker 2: maybe you would have post draft if it didn't. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 3: But Deontay Johnson to the Browns. So and now all

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Speaker 2: I'll make them fleet, right. Yeah, he'll have completed the

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Speaker 3: Interesting strange one. But yeah, so they got a bunch

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Speaker 2: Oh and by the way, I don't think the Steelers

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Speaker 3: A bunch of drops last year too.

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Speaker 2: He's sluggish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know that he's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we'll see. But apparently the Steelers are going

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Speaker 3: several Tills drafted him, Bill's drafted him, second round pick

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Speaker 2: Was the Rams the next up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, helped them to win it.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he was in every fantasy the league. And

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Speaker 3: Yeah, spend a season with Tennessee after Arthur Smith, but

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Speaker 3: at least you've run some of the tenants of Arthur

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Speaker 2: Right right, and then Houston drafts both Iowa state guys

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Speaker 2: weren't going to bring him back. Yeah, so okay, interesting

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Speaker 2: signing and we'll see. Uh, we don't know the numbers

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Speaker 2: like that. If he doesn't make theme, he doesn't make theme, right, right, So.

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Speaker 3: Not a bad signing. And it certainly improves your depth

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Speaker 3: at and you go, okay, right now, Scottie Miller's or six.

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Speaker 1: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson and Matt. We woke up this

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Speaker 3: morning to news that George Kittle is now the highest

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Speaker 3: paid tight end in the NFL four years seventy six

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Speaker 3: point four million. I think that's like point four million

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Speaker 3: you start to look at people went crazy in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 3: when the Steelers signed Pat Fryer moved to a year

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Speaker 3: forty eight point four million dollar deal, Like, I get

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Speaker 3: Kittle's good, McBride, these are these guys are good football.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But now you're paying tight ends nineteen million dollars

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Speaker 3: a year.

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Speaker 2: I know, So I still think it's the best deal

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Speaker 2: in town. I mean, I understand tight ends not the

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Speaker 2: most important position on the field, but if you're making

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Speaker 2: twenty million, he's a lot better than the twenty million

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Speaker 2: dollar wide receivers. Yeah. I mean it's still a baran

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Speaker 2: rate to pay tight ends. If you hit on them,

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Speaker 2: keep your own. I mean the franchise tag isn't bad

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Speaker 2: on them. The fifth year option isn't bad on them.

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Speaker 2: I don't think the place to pay stars isn't like

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Speaker 2: the other positions, you know. I think Kittle's extremely valuable.

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Speaker 2: Had a conversation about it earlier. I think he's one

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Speaker 2: of the most underrated players, not just necessarily in the

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Speaker 2: like a top five tight end that that's ever played,

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Speaker 2: that happens to play in the Kelsey era, so his

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Speaker 2: numbers look a little less, but he's a different type

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's top five all time, that

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Speaker 2: He's a first Battle Hall of Famer, it might be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think he's in the Gates neighborhood or above,

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Speaker 2: like a Witten, I mean, Ide Gonzalez ahead of them Kelsey.

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Speaker 3: And he's already thirty two years old. Yeah, yeah, he

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Speaker 3: came out a little bit older. He's not going to

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Speaker 2: His numbn't be the same. Yeah, those guys, right, And

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Speaker 2: Shanahan doesn't know the ball that much. I mean, he's not,

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Speaker 3: I agree with that. I just don't know that I

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Speaker 2: That might be a little strong, but I think he's

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Speaker 2: never thought of in that light where Kelsey is. Sure

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Speaker 2: because Kelsey is the number, he has the numbers, and

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Speaker 2: he has more rings, and but I think they have

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Speaker 2: had comparable careers. Their resumes don't look.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he's he's more Heath Miller than he is

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Speaker 3: good all around tight end. Now he's better. I think

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Speaker 2: Sure Heath was.

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Speaker 3: But I think that's, you know, the kind of player

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Speaker 2: Think he's closer to Gronk than Kelsey.

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Speaker 3: They don't get you. They don't get you.

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Speaker 2: The accolades, No, no, no, right, it's he does a lot

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Speaker 2: of thankless stuff. Yeah, for sure, block they block.

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Speaker 3: They actually are what tight ends were supposed to be.

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Speaker 3: They blocked.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and he drives people down the field and

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Speaker 2: he's good have to catch, and he's explosive and tough.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a big, big fan obviously.

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Speaker 3: So if you look at friar Mouth's average salary right now,

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Speaker 3: so you got you've got Kittle and Trey McBride both

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Speaker 3: making over nineteen million dollars, Travis Kelcey's at seventeen point

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Speaker 3: one two five average. This is our year or so,

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Speaker 3: probably right, Hawkinson's sixteen to five kittle, I'm sorry, Dallas

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Speaker 3: Goddard is fourteen to two five, Mark Andrews is fourteen million.

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Speaker 3: Then you got David and Joku at thirteen point six eight,

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Speaker 3: Cole Comet at twelve five, and then you got Friar

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Speaker 2: No problem at all with Friar Moose number yeah, I

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Speaker 2: mean I'd rather have them than Comet for sure. Off

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Speaker 3: Him, Dalton Schultz at twelve million, okay, Evan Ingram at

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Speaker 2: That's his new deal, I guess, yeah, okay, one.

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Speaker 3: Year probably no offense is ten to five, okay, I

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Speaker 3: mean he's Juwan Johnson is ten point two five.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: The Saints are nuts, because their Saints are nuts.

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Speaker 2: Ye.

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Speaker 3: They're also paying Taysom Hill ten million dollars. He figures

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Speaker 2: They didn't cut him. I thought he was like the

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Speaker 3: Those are your tight ends. That are making ten million

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Speaker 3: dollars more. That doesn't count all the guys, all the

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Speaker 2: Sure, sure right, rookie deals, right.

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Speaker 3: So when people complain, I can't believe you're paying from

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Speaker 3: And he's better than the guys.

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Speaker 2: He's way better than guys less than them. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: are pretty comparable players. I would definitely have him over Comet. Who. Again,

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Speaker 2: the Bears took a tight end the first round. That's

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Speaker 2: not a huge reindorsement that Comet is going to be

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Speaker 3: Mean the Browns took another tight end in like third round, the.

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Speaker 2: Third round, right, I hate their draft.

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Speaker 3: And he's not a blocker. He does exactly what in djoku, Right,

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Speaker 3: they're both just at least so he took Darnell Washington.

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Speaker 3: He does something different.

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Speaker 2: Different right right, right, I mean totally different. It looks

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Speaker 2: like We're gonna have this conversation with Watt too. It's

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Speaker 2: ten million years sounds crazy. The eleven million years sounds

436
00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,680
Speaker 2: so much. Not when you look at the wide receivers

437
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 2: that are making that money or you know the other positions.

438
00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:18,680
Speaker 3: Now compared that to what guys are making in other sports.

439
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: Well that too.

440
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't even get you back up point guard

441
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 3: money in the NBA, twelve million dollars a year isn't

442
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,600
Speaker 3: even like your number five pitcher in baseball.

443
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 2: These teams have a lot of money.

444
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the league, all the spending is just

445
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 3: different because you have you have fifty three guys in

446
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,919
Speaker 3: your roster and percentage of cap isn't that hi?

447
00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I know left tackles are a rarity,

448
00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: but you get two friar moves to prices. Dan Moore, ye,

449
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,800
Speaker 2: I mean, who's more valuable to your football team? I

450
00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,800
Speaker 2: mean it's just economics, guy. I mean, he's not the

451
00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,000
Speaker 2: highest paid tight end in the league. No, we never

452
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:54,399
Speaker 2: will be. He's not gonna make twenty.

453
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:56,880
Speaker 3: He's barely on the edge of top ten right now,

454
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 3: right right, And when some of these younger guys come

455
00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: from only follow on that left. Yeah, you're going to

456
00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 3: go move down it'll be like fifteenth.

457
00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah in a year or two. Yeah, that's

458
00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:06,680
Speaker 2: just going rate.

459
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just the way it goes. You mentioned TJ. Watt.

460
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,720
Speaker 3: Obviously a lot of people have been talking about that.

461
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,440
Speaker 3: Something I found interesting coming out of this draft was

462
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,199
Speaker 3: something Carl Dunbar said about how they wanted, and it

463
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:24,959
Speaker 3: goes to the Jack Sawyer pick. Okay, how they wanted

464
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: to limit the snaps of some of their stars on defense.

465
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, early definitely seems like a priority.

466
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840
Speaker 3: Earlier in games, so they would have them more fresh

467
00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 3: later in games when the game is on the.

468
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: Line, close the teams out. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. Do

469
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 2: you want to still have your best fastball late? You know? So?

470
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,200
Speaker 3: I think they want They definitely want to limit Cam

471
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 3: Heyward snaps. I want to get that down. It was

472
00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: seventy percent last year. Maybe you want to get it

473
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,280
Speaker 3: down to fifty five to sixty percent of the time,

474
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,439
Speaker 3: but you can't have the run splits that you.

475
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 2: Had not The thing is, you still want Cam third

476
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: and eight. I want him out there right fourth quarter,

477
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,199
Speaker 2: game on the line, in Baltimore. I want him out

478
00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,679
Speaker 2: there every snap, But how do you get the fifty

479
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: five sixty? If you're doing those things well early in games,

480
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,359
Speaker 2: or if you have a big lead, or if you're

481
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: getting blown out, get them out.

482
00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 3: And I guess, I guess. Cam said on his podcast

483
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,320
Speaker 3: recently that that you know, he doesn't like all the

484
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 3: running on and off the field, like that's just as

485
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 3: taxing on him as it you know, if you're running

486
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: in and out of there. We you can alleviate that

487
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: by just saying, hey, Cam, you're not going to be

488
00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: in there until they get over the fifty yeah, or

489
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,159
Speaker 3: something like a pretty comfortble this this series in the

490
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,520
Speaker 3: second quarter, you're not going to play, you know, at

491
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: all the first eight snap. If it goes eight snaps,

492
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: if they get down inside of twenty, then we're going

493
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 3: to put you in there.

494
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Benton and Harmon are his level.

495
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: They're not, and there maybe someday they will be. They're

496
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 2: not right, you know, but if you have both those

497
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 2: guys for that series, it shouldn't be as big a

498
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: drop off. You know, even in pass rush only situations

499
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 2: or you know, any situation, really you would hope that

500
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: the drop off is less. Yeah, and I guess the

501
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 2: SAME's truth with Wat. He's not a young guy either

502
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:00,680
Speaker 2: at the that's the thing.

503
00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: And so you know, Wat's been basically almost a ninety

504
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 3: percent certainly over eighty eighty five percent the last few years.

505
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,960
Speaker 3: If you can save him a little bit in those

506
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: situations so that you do have him out there in

507
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter when you're trying to close somebody out,

508
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: and then you don't get the situation that you had

509
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia, for example, we're out there from the entire

510
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 3: fourth quarter.

511
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 2: Let alone, when you're playing three games in eleven days

512
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 2: or something. I've been sure nice to have more D

513
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 2: line depth across the board for that stretch. Yeah. Sure.

514
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,639
Speaker 3: It certainly seems like that was the year I thought, here,

515
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 3: you know, I know that was a wasted pick on

516
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: a guy who's going to play special teams for you.

517
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah he's going to play special teams. Oh better, Yeah,

518
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: that's not all he's going to do.

519
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: No, right, right, right? And again, what really stood out

520
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 2: to me with that pick, and originally it was a

521
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 2: head scratcher to me. The second it was reported, I

522
00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 2: was like, huh, okay, I knew they were interested in

523
00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: the ages. But the first hour of coverage as on

524
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 2: Jerry Doulack and he said, don't be shocked if they

525
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: take an edge higher than you think. You're not like

526
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 2: just a seventh round or I'm like, okay, I mean,

527
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 2: I'm it was open to that, and we.

528
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 3: Did that at times. Yeah, yeah, in the third round

529
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 3: or the fourth round, but it was I guess I

530
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 3: think we did in the fourth round of Couper Deep.

531
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I originally again was a head scratcher, And

532
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: then the more I thought through it, I'm like, if

533
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: what or high Smith misses one game, that's a lot

534
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 2: to ask of her Big.

535
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and it trickles down to your special teams

536
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: as well, right right, Because if Herbig's out there playing

537
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 3: a full compliment of defensive snaps.

538
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: Right, he's not thirty pounds lesson.

539
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 3: He's not going to be available for you on special

540
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,800
Speaker 3: teams either, right right right.

541
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 2: I wonder how much he'll play special teams going forward too.

542
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: He's starting to be pretty valuable.

543
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: I still I mean, you're back up outside linebacker. You're

544
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: still gonna You're still gonna do that. But the thing

545
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 3: is he's an unrestricted free agent.

546
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 2: After this said, do we know he's going to be

547
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 2: back to you?

548
00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I would assume somebody's gonna throw a bunch

549
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: of money at him, right right right.

550
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not gonna You're not gonna franchise him.

551
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: Maybe you could get a deal done soon and buy

552
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 2: him on the cheap, but he's gonna be sought after us.

553
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 3: And he knows his agent's gonna be sitting there going, hey, Nick,

554
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,479
Speaker 3: if you you go to the open, like, look at

555
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 3: some of these everybody's looking for edge rushers. You know

556
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 3: you think, well, Atlanta may look at it and go, hey,

557
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 3: he's better than what we got oh.

558
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: Tons of teams to him. Yeah, I mean he's he

559
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 2: can rush the past and he you know, if he's

560
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: value valuable skill.

561
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: Even if we've seen some of these specialists who only

562
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 3: play on third downs, well that's not going to happen with.

563
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,560
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh, No, no, no.

564
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 3: But there are some other teams out there that may

565
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:31,239
Speaker 3: just bring him in and say, hey, we're gonna make

566
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 3: you our our third down pass rush specialist, and we'll

567
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: give you fourteen million dollars a year to do that.

568
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,520
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying the Steelers have no intentions of

569
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: resigning him, but it'd be really tough to give him

570
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 2: fourteen million a year with the top two guys. Wats

571
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 2: about to break the bang.

572
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 3: You're not gonna pay him what you're paying Alex Highsmith.

573
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 2: No, I mean, unless this year goes drastically different. You know,

574
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: Herbie ends up with fourteen sacks and as an every

575
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: down player because of injury or something. But again, never ever,

576
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: ever forget the komp game. You know, it's exactly say that.

577
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm sure Omar and company are going, Yes, we love

578
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: the player, that's not the issue. It's just not gonna

579
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: be very feasible to bring him back. But he might

580
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: yield us a third round pick because he's gonna make up.

581
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 2: He's gonna make money on the open market.

582
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,920
Speaker 3: So, Hassan Reddick is a basically a third down pass

583
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: rush specialist. He's getting fourteen million dollars a year this

584
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 3: year from Tampa Bay. He didn't do anything last year.

585
00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 2: He's more accomplished, but he's only had like two big years. Yeah,

586
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: he's definitely older, and he didn't like play football last year.

587
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: He didn't play FOOTBA last year. Bryce huff comparable who's

588
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: twenty seven, is a pass rush specialists. The only basically

589
00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: plays he literally he only plays on third downs because

590
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 3: he just gets to the quarterback.

591
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: He hardly played last year too.

592
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 3: He's getting an average of seventeen million dollars a year

593
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 3: from the Eagles.

594
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 2: Herbing's gonna make that.

595
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: Herbing's gonna make cat He's gonna make.

596
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 2: It make twenty yeah because inflation. And he's going to

597
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 2: get at least fifteen easily, easily. And the teams, I

598
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 2: can look at him a special team or he's gonna

599
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 2: be up and you're just gonna rush the right and

600
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: play some or on early downs or whatever.

601
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is getting you ready for that

602
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 3: while also building your depth for this year.

603
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: A good outside linebacker d r right right right.

604
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 3: I don't know what next year's looks, right right.

605
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: I better get one now.

606
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have him in my system for a year.

607
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 3: He gets another year to learn from from you know,

608
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 3: Watt and high Smith when he steps into that number

609
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 3: three roll next year. Yeah, we're in good shape.

610
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: And maybe they draft the speedball, you know, someone smaller

611
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 2: than Sawyer in the fourth round or something like that.

612
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 3: You you double down, you go get yourself another Sawyer

613
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 3: next year. Now, you got four again, That's what I'm saying.

614
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 3: And I think you draft somebody, I mean.

615
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:44,600
Speaker 2: Make the idea.

616
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: I think ideally they like Turbic just because they they

617
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 3: thought he was this one of the top two edge

618
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 3: rushers in that draft. The the guy that New York

619
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 3: drafted was the other one from Iowa State McDonald.

620
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: I donal was there not one good? Yea, he was

621
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: their number one edge guy maybe in the middle of

622
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: first round. Right, Herbig was.

623
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: Their number two for the edge guys in that draft.

624
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 3: In terms of getting to rushing the pass.

625
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're both a little smallish, similar style get off, but.

626
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that's exactly what you're looking for.

627
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: No.

628
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: No, if you could get another guy who's to two

629
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty two hundred and sixty pounds to rush

630
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 3: the pass or to be.

631
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean if perfect, if you get Miles

632
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: Garrett nick Bosey to take right. I mean there's the.

633
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: Thing a guy like her Big falls into the into

634
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: the fourth round because well, because he's not Yeah, he's

635
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: not the biggest guy.

636
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: I remember even some draft analysts thought he might be

637
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: an off the ball linebacker. He might be Zach Bond.

638
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 2: You know which maybe it'd been fine doing that, but it.

639
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: Is pretty good off mix them.

640
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: Right back to your point, though, I think it's a

641
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: huge advantage that isn't talked about enough. And I always thinking,

642
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: like Bama and Georgia that have five stars everywhere, if

643
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: I can go like three hockey lines deep of d

644
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: lineman or even two.

645
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wear that offensive line out.

646
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 2: They play every down, Yeah, you know what I mean.

647
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: And pass rushing takes more out of you than protect thing.

648
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: And certainly when they come off the ball in the

649
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: run game, you're the nail, not the hammer on defense.

650
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 2: But if I can keep rotating.

651
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 3: Those dudes, it also gives you more to study.

652
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: That's their thing too, And it's one of these things

653
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 2: you know, teach to find the weak link. Yeah.

654
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: TJ. Watt talked about, you know, next year at his

655
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: you know, end of the season press conference. Maybe next

656
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 3: year I do need to move around a little bit more.

657
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 3: And you might look at that and go, well, what's

658
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: what difference you got, high Smith On the other side,

659
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 3: here's the thing you're making those offensive linemen, the opposing

660
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 3: team's offensive lineman study different guys.

661
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 2: It's a longer week it's a more difficult it's a.

662
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 3: More difficult week for them. If I know, okay on this,

663
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,479
Speaker 3: I'm gonna if I just if I go into the weeknow,

664
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Speaker 3: I just got Alex high Smith, I just got TJ.

665
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Speaker 2: Watt.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to spend the whole week studying those guys. Yes,

667
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: right now, know that I'm going to see what ten

668
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: or fifteen snaps in this game. I don't know when,

669
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Speaker 3: but I better be ready for it. And the other

670
00:29:56,760 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 3: guy on the other side is going I'm going to

671
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 3: see high Smith at some point.

672
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Speaker 2: Here.

673
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 3: They're not the same. They don't rush the.

674
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: Same, they don't want the same at all. They're a

675
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: different Their past rush moves are different. They're like different pictures. Now,

676
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: you guys got a great curveball. This guy's got a

677
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: great heater, you know.

678
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 3: Now you add your backup guys where you've got, you know,

679
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: your speedball off the edge with her big and now

680
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,959
Speaker 3: you've got a bigger guy in power type guy. And

681
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: you don't know when you're going to get these gus.

682
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 3: You got to study all four of them.

683
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: Study all four of them, right, and like the Chiefs

684
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: are the best example. Chris Jones, I think he gets

685
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: to just pick and choose wherever he goes. I mean,

686
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: Aaron Donald's done that.

687
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: I mean, so every offensive lineman, all five offensive linemen

688
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: and the tight ends have to study. Okay, Chris Jones

689
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: is lined up over top of me, what's his.

690
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: Go to move?

691
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: Like?

692
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: It looks goofy. But Miles Garrett on the second level

693
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 2: doing his weird basketball stuff. Stupid, It is stupid. But

694
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 2: the center has to prepare for them, you know, like

695
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: it's it's a big look at me.

696
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: It is for the offensive line, and I get it.

697
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: It's a distraction for the offensive line.

698
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: But to your point about prep there's no center preparing

699
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 2: for one now, you know. I mean the center has

700
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: to at least be like, what if Mile Garrett's going

701
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: to come rushing up a gap? I gotta deal with that.

702
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: That's not the normal type dude I deal with.

703
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 3: So I think in that regard, I think I think

704
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: it's hurt Watt's production. Yeah, I do too, And I

705
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 3: think it will help compare to those studs. Not necessarily,

706
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 3: he is better coming off the left side. I mean,

707
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 3: it's been proven time and again. He was much better

708
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: there than he had been on the right side.

709
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 2: He chose to go. There's where he wants to be, right,

710
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: But it.

711
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: Just throws a curve ball at the other team's offensive

712
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 3: line that now they have to study everybody.

713
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that Preston Smith trade sticks with me

714
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: a lot with the Sawyer stuff, and Sawyer never really

715
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 2: did reduce inside. But I do think it's something that

716
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: they've been on their radar. Leal's kind of that guy

717
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 2: too that I think they wouldn't mind a two hundred

718
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: and sixty five pound guy on third and twelve once

719
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: in a while rush over a guard. Yeah, you know

720
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: what I mean, You're gonna be quicker, yeah, yeah, yeah,

721
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: And if you're chasing Lamar, he's got a better chase

722
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 2: chance to chase him down than Benton or whoever. You know,

723
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: it's just another option. And it's such a week to

724
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: week league, and really how different it is to play

725
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 2: the Bengals offense in the Ravens offense. It's really body

726
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: types for each game.

727
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 3: It's a Belichick thing.

728
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, The more you can do.

729
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: The more you can do. And you know he.

730
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: Labels in them again. Yeah, even like Seymour red line

731
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: up all over the place and right, give me a

732
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: bunch of different bodies.

733
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 3: Honestly, Sawyer has basically the same body type as Rabel. Yeah,

734
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: they both played at the highest state. But they're both long. Yeah,

735
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,959
Speaker 3: they got long arms and you know all that stuff.

736
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I know Rabel people probably don't remember this,

737
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: but the Steelers either bold him up or it couldn't

738
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: quite figure out every spot.

739
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: To put him in, you know, a second round draft pick. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

740
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: you know they they had a plan to use him,

741
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: and he made some big places.

742
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: He won on a playoff game one year, and obviously

743
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: he's got a great head for the game. He's a

744
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: head coach.

745
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just think the more you throw at

746
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: the opposing team's offensive line, I think the better.

747
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: So you know, I was even thinking that with our

748
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 2: conversation yesterday about why you're black. You know, like, Okay,

749
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 2: maybe he's not a nose every snap, but doesn't mean

750
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: he won't do some of both. You know, like if

751
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 2: I could have three offensive lineman preparing for him where

752
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 2: most of their time is on camp Hayward, you know,

753
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: the Steelers are more definitely more static than most teams.

754
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: You know, Hayward's on one side, Wat's always on one side.

755
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 2: Can't hurt to do it.

756
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, they bumped what to the middle and done stuff

757
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: like that and rushed him from the middle. But by

758
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: and large he's been on the left side. You're going

759
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 3: to see him move almore this year.

760
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you think any of this reflects poorly or

761
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: should make Leal worry? I just don't know what to

762
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,239
Speaker 2: do with him.

763
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Speaker 3: I don't know where he fits. Yeah, I don't know

764
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 3: whether he's they're going to move him back to defensive tackle,

765
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 3: They're going to leave him at outside linebacker. I don't know.

766
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always put a small list together in my

767
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: head and usually we talk about it too that going

768
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: into training camp. Not necessarily many camp, but it's put

769
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: up or shut up time. Like last year, I put

770
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 2: louder Milk on that list, you know, and I would

771
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: think Leal probably is on that list. And every team's

772
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: got ten of them.

773
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Speaker 3: I mean, this league's it's unfortunately you got hurt last

774
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 3: year because I thought he was having a good camp

775
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 3: and it looked like he was kind of turning the

776
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: corner and any of the neck injury, right, all right.

777
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long can you stick with that? But I

778
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: could see him being down to the final cuts. Yeah,

779
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 2: the way that the thing's built right now.

780
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we'll see, let's get to another break. He

781
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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

782
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt

783
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: and I'll be back with more right after this. At least.

784
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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

785
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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and

786
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

787
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Speaker 3: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolly. He is the

788
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 3: Matt Williamson and Matt we're talking about more places or

789
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: some other things that the Steelers could add. I don't

790
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: know if it's if it's a glaring need. I think

791
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,839
Speaker 3: people are underestimating the ability of Brandon a little bit.

792
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 2: I was going to go there, Yeah, uh well, they need.

793
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,320
Speaker 3: To get another cornerback. They've got a bunch of different

794
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 3: options now in the slot, including including a couple of

795
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: safeties who have slot capability who played that spot in

796
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: the past, which lessens the need perhaps for Echos to

797
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 3: be the slot.

798
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 2: I don't know what to make of him. I'm excited

799
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 2: to kind of see him live.

800
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 3: When we talked to him, said he was asked, you know,

801
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: do you do you prefer to play inside or outside?

802
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: He said, I feel like I'm an outside cornerback and

803
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 3: that's large most of his most of his snap and

804
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 3: now he's played inside in a pinch?

805
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,799
Speaker 2: Was it two years ago with the Jets? Because they

806
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: had read and they had they.

807
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: Had Michael Carter inside, who's considered a pretty good slot

808
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 3: He was the fourth guy. He bumped in there in

809
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 3: dime situations.

810
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: But when they sau was on one side, but when

811
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: they had injuries, he played outside. I thought he was

812
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: kind of just the third cornerback. So would you describe

813
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: it like this? With the Jets? There were Sauce and

814
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 2: Reed on the outside, Carter on the inside, which was

815
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: as good as getting corner trio in the league. Really,

816
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 2: I think he was all their backups, right, Yeah. I

817
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: think he's Carter's backup both outside cornerbacks and in dime

818
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 2: he's out there and dime he's the camp he's their

819
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 2: camp Sutton. He's their camp Sutton. Yeah right right, which

820
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: great the earlier version, I mean this last version, except he's.

821
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 3: Much faster and much more athletic.

822
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right, So I think he can back up

823
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 2: all can he start any I guess we'll figure that out.

824
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 2: I mean, including slot. I do have some concern that

825
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: if Sleigh hits a wall or gets hurt, can we

826
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 2: trust Trace, you know what I mean? I just it

827
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 2: might be acles right, right right. But that's the one

828
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: position along with the line that I would still my

829
00:36:55,719 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: eyes open for a corner of any type. I mean,

830
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 2: I would be not actively pursuing or calling.

831
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 3: And they've done that or like they've gotten guys in

832
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: recent years who've been cut loose by other teams, who

833
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,200
Speaker 3: were highly regarded people in the draft, and you just

834
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: bring them in. Let's see if our system is makes

835
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 3: things a little bit different for him. He hasn't worked

836
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 3: out there. Those guys are always available.

837
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: They're always available.

838
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just such a that position, more so than

839
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 3: any other position in football, is so up and down.

840
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 3: It's like a roller coach, it is.

841
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's one hundred percent true. Like this is

842
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: a bigger conversation, but like I thought Jari Alexander would

843
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,840
Speaker 2: not be a packer today. They didn't use a corner

844
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 2: pick until the seventh round, and we did an NFC

845
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 2: North breakdown today on a different show. I'm like, wow,

846
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: they ignored corner that much? Are they friends all of

847
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: a sudden. Now, I'm not implying the Steelers trade for

848
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: Jarry Alexander, but you know, my wheels turn and I

849
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 2: get excited. You get Jalen Ramsey for a fourth or

850
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 2: fifth round pick. Now, he's a big contract, it's gonna

851
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 2: cost you, but he can do everything in your secondary too.

852
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 2: And instead of just being I think we're good there,

853
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: you could be incredible there. You know now, I know

854
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. That's not gonna happen.

855
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 3: They're not gonna They're not gonna sign Darius Slay and

856
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 3: then cut him.

857
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: I'm thinking to cut him. I think Ramsey would be

858
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 2: your slot. He would be all the above. I mean,

859
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: he's just he's done every he's played dime linebacker.

860
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 3: That's that's not gonna happen.

861
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen. I only get people excited. But

862
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: you could make moves like that if you want.

863
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 3: We have to be careful with what we say on

864
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: podcasts because a lot of times your stuff gets picked up.

865
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 3: And Matt Williamson says Steeler's gonna trade me.

866
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying I'm just saying he's cheap and all

867
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: these veterans.

868
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Speaker 3: He's cheap in what you would have to pay for

869
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 3: him in draft draft call capital, right, He's not cheap

870
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 3: in what you'd have to pay him. It be twenty

871
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 3: plus million dollars. It's guaranteed too, It's fully guaranteed. It's why,

872
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: that's why Miami wants to get out of it.

873
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: It's all about It's like cousins. It's like how much

874
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: are you picking up? How much am I picking up?

875
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah. And I don't I hesitated to

876
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: even bring it up because I don't get people excited.

877
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,920
Speaker 2: But it did shock me that no veterans got traded

878
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: over the weekend. You know, Goddard and Hendrickson and all

879
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: these guys that were on the block. Nobody went and

880
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,360
Speaker 2: can you get them cheaper now than you could have

881
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: a week ago. I don't know. I mean, it's just

882
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: I think it depends under every stone.

883
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 3: I think it depends on who you're talking to. If

884
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 3: you're talking to a team, they got completely we saw

885
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: over the years. For example, I kind of think Hendrickson's movement,

886
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 3: there were about five consecutive years where the Steelers they

887
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 3: need they need to draft some cornerback, hilp. But every

888
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 3: time in the they got it in the first round.

889
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 3: All the corners were gone by the time they got

890
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: to their pick because they don't pick because they were

891
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 3: They weren't picking in the top twenty, right, you know,

892
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 3: they were picking in the bottom twenty. And so you know,

893
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 3: it reached a point where all of a sudden, now

894
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 3: you got to take the I think it was the

895
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: sixth cornerback you take already Burns. We need got to

896
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: have a cornerback. The guys we were taking in the

897
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 3: fourth and fifth rounds didn't work out. Gotta gotta have

898
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: a better But.

899
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean to take more fiftieth best player twenty

900
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: five you don't reach like which maybe that was Burns,

901
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: I mean, or close to it. He wasn't quite that.

902
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: I mean that was pretty he was.

903
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: He was he was like twenty fifth I think, I.

904
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,399
Speaker 2: Don't say, but I doubt he was the twenty fifth

905
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: best player in the draft, right. I mean, it was like,

906
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: we gotta get corners. Yeah, the teams are doing with

907
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 2: old linemen like crazy, right.

908
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: So you know you end up stuck in that spot.

909
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 3: So there's got to be somebody in this draft, particular draft,

910
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: who maybe needed cornerback help and you look the Packers, Packers, right,

911
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 3: maybe you know, maybe they just swap you take.

912
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: Jyr Alexander, will take Ramsey or we'll take Ramsey and

913
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: they just aren't happy here and they just need all

914
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 2: the day right right right. But I did find it

915
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 2: odd that just all across the league, no, no veterans.

916
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: Don't actually make a lot of sense.

917
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, And who says not to? That was the

918
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: other thing I was said, this is a bigger conversation.

919
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 2: But one of them my slight criticisms of the Steelers

920
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: draft was I would have loved to see them draft

921
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: and offensive lineman. And it did to say, and we

922
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 2: just broke down the Browns yesterday. I killed them for

923
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 2: not taking any offensive lineman And then started the series

924
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 2: on my other podcast where I'm starting breaking down teams

925
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 2: and everyone either didn't take one I'm critical of or

926
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 2: took them around too early, like rounds too early. The

927
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: tax on o lineman this year was it was it

928
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 2: was the quarterbacks. It was like quarterbacks, I mean worse.

929
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 2: I mean you I wish you could have got a

930
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 2: Will Howard in the sixth round that plays guard. I

931
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 2: mean like they just weren't available. I mean, like we

932
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 2: did the pack I mentioned the Packers. We both like Belton.

933
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 2: They didn't take them in the second round, right, you

934
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like those guys were on O line.

935
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: Was crazy.

936
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: Those guys went quick, and I think that's why, you know,

937
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 3: like for example, the Ravens who had eleven picks, ended

938
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 3: up taking three of them.

939
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: Right, A lot of teams just took a bunch of

940
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: late ones and hope any of them stick. I mean,

941
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 2: it was a bad O line draft. The need is

942
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 2: greater than ever. Dan Moore makes twenty million. I mean,

943
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 2: it's just supplying demand. That doesn't excuse the Browns because

944
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: they had the picks. Yeah, I mean they're taking linebackers

945
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 2: and running backs and stuff. But if you do, then

946
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: they need starters on the O line. But the cost

947
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: of acquiring Olignement in this draft was bonkers.

948
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 3: It was it was insane, you know, as opposed to

949
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 3: last year when they were available throughout.

950
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people were critical of the Vikings,

951
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: who didn't have many picks. They didn't trade back. They

952
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 2: took the guard Jackson from Ohio State in the first round. Well,

953
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: they weren't going to get a guard anywhere else, you know,

954
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 2: like maybe he's not the twenty fifth best player.

955
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: In the draft, or they have a second round pick, they.

956
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,959
Speaker 2: Have a second or third when the draft started.

957
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 3: If they had not drafted him, Oh.

958
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: They're taking a sixth rounder in the fourth round. Yeah,

959
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean that's what this draft was.

960
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it just worked out that when and

961
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 3: that happens, and you can't control what other teams do, No,

962
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 3: you can only control what you do. And I think

963
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: that's when you that's where you get yourself into trouble,

964
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: those when you start reaching for those guys, like I

965
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: didn't think you have to have it, you know, the

966
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: Steelers had to have defensive back help. Yeah, in the

967
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 3: late in the late twenty tens. Yeah, yeah, I mean,

968
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: so they take Already Burns, they take they take Sean

969
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 3: Davis in the second round. They you know, they take

970
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 3: Terrell Evans at the end of the first rounds.

971
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: Like, it's not a position you want to be in.

972
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: You don't want to have to take those guys, no, right,

973
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: because the chances of them hitting to their fullest degree

974
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: or less, because they're not the best prospect you could

975
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 2: take at that time the teams are doing with the

976
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: line like crazy right now, Yeah, it's you pretty be

977
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 2: in that spot.

978
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, not pretty, So you want to try to set

979
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 3: you He takes us back to the Jack Sawyer conversation.

980
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: You don't want to have to be penciled in. Okay,

981
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 3: second round, we got to get an outside linebacker, we

982
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 3: got to get an edge. Well, you don't know what class. Well,

983
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: if there's nobody available, yeah, yeah, you don't know what,

984
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm going to take one in the third round or

985
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: in the second round. Who's I get a fourth round

986
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: grade on? Just because I need? I have a need. Right,

987
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 3: That's where you run in the problem.

988
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: But it still might make sense because that guy is

989
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: going to play a lot more snaps because you got

990
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: to put eleven dudes out there, and one of them's

991
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 2: got to be your guard. Whatever.

992
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 3: But when the opportunity presents itself, you take the guy.

993
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 2: You have to do it ahead of time, idea, Yeah.

994
00:44:15,560 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 3: I think you You got to know what your roster

995
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 3: is and where you need to what you can fill,

996
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: and then take care of the take care of as

997
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: much of it as you can ahead of time, and

998
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: then you're not concerned. Then you're the you know, the

999
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 3: forty nine Ers, for example, lost much like the Steelers

1000
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 3: this year, lost a bunch of guys in free.

1001
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 2: Agency, kind of by design.

1002
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 3: But kind of by design because they had people lined

1003
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: up waiting in the wings.

1004
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: The Eagles are really good at that too. Yeah, I

1005
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 2: mean Kelsey's replacement. They drafted your early, that kind of thing,

1006
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: and it helps when you're good though.

1007
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 3: It's also the beauty of playing the comp pick game.

1008
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 3: That's beauty because you get more, you've got extra ammunition

1009
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: with which to do it.

1010
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm probably going to lose that guy, but I'll

1011
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: get a compict for him. But I got a compict

1012
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: last year because I let his buddy leave, and you know,

1013
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm drafting his now. Steelers might take two cornerbacks next year.

1014
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: M hm okay, yeah, yeah, that's the way it goes.

1015
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 2: And it really hurts the teams that have a lot

1016
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 2: of turnover in the front office and coaching staffs too,

1017
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 2: because I don't really like half the guys I just inherited.

1018
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 2: It's not like, well, I've been grooming this guy for

1019
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: three years in a row, and now I don't know

1020
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,479
Speaker 2: what to do with them. Yeah, it's hard.

1021
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: It's definitely a puzzle that you have to put together

1022
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 3: on a consistent basis and keep building. Yeah, that's why,

1023
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: you know, beyond what happened on the field, that Deshaun

1024
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 3: Watson trade set the Browns back years years because they

1025
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 3: didn't have any They didn't have Day two picks at all.

1026
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,439
Speaker 2: So I'll sign super dated. But in my recruiting days

1027
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 2: with Pitt, I always had a spreadsheet where we know

1028
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 2: when guys are graduating. You know, it's not like, oh,

1029
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 2: he's going to transfer, it's like, well, we got to

1030
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 2: tackle here, and then we got two years where we

1031
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 2: really don't have any We better try to get a

1032
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 2: JC kid in here this year because you can recruit

1033
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: them down here, they're not going to be ready to

1034
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 2: start in the Big East. Then, as an eighteen year

1035
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,879
Speaker 2: old tackle, you know, like you knew your depth chart

1036
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 2: when they were graduating, when they were leaving, and yeah

1037
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 2: there's a Larry here and there that you lose, but

1038
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: you're happy at Larry. Yeah, I mean those type of things.

1039
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 2: But it's so different now, so I can't even imagine

1040
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 2: how you prepare for years ahead steal someone off a

1041
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 2: lesser team. I guess you think Ducaine's best player or.

1042
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 3: Whatever you know, crazy, but anyways, that's going to do

1043
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: it for hour number one of the Drive here on

1044
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be back

1045
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: with hour number two right after this