1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 1: A man dressed all in black targets a ten year 2 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: old little girl not far from her school. She's on 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: foot the first time, she gets away, then he comes back. 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: I Meanancy, Grace, this is crime Stories, thank you for 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 6 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: one eleven in an upscale area of Florida. On day 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: number one, the little girl runs for her life. Listen. 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: A man in a black van first approached her Wednesday 9 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: on her way to school, offering her candy. He opened 10 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 1: the slide indoor of his vand and shoulder the candies 11 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: a fulla to get inside and take a look at 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: all the candies that he had. She managed to get away, 13 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: but then the next morning, that same man allegedly approaching 14 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: her again, this time on foot. He said, hey, yousul 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: body of candys? Yes, say so? She afraiden? She rhyme 16 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: set help hearing our friends at GMA. So after the 17 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: first day which she gets away not to be scared off, 18 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: he actually comes back. A ten year old little girl 19 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: in a very nice neighborhood, apparently on the way to school, 20 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: stopped joining me and All Star panel to make sense 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,039 Speaker 1: of what we know right now. First, to Nicole parton 22 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole the first time 23 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: I understand that he was not on foot. That's right, Nancy. 24 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: About seven forty am, this little girl's making the block 25 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 1: and a half walk to her school. She notices a 26 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: black van right on the street where she's walking down 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: the sidewalk. He opens the door of that black van 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: and tries to lure her inside, offering her money, offering 29 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: her candy. Of course, she does the right thing, says no, 30 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: tries to get away. A struggle ensues. During that struggle, 31 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 1: she loses her school badge lanyard, her ID for school. 32 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: He snatches that up, takes that with him and proceeds 33 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: after her on foot. You know what, the fact that 34 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: he got that close to her that they he could 35 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: snatch her. And the two struggled and she loses on 36 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: the first attempt, loses her lanyard, and he picks it 37 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: up again. Joining me an all star panel. But first 38 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: I want to go now after Nicole apartment to Mark Class, 39 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation. You can find him at 40 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 1: class kids dot org. That's Class with a K. Mark. 41 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 1: He took that lanyard with her school ID picture on it. 42 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: My twins have way too, as a memento and as 43 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,119 Speaker 1: a way to find her again, because you know there 44 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: he is right by the school. This is his happy 45 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: hunting ground, and he finds a victim, and he doesn't 46 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: get the girl that day, but he gets a souvenir. Well, listen, 47 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 1: I don't understand in any rational world how a child 48 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: who is practically abducted on day one is allowed to 49 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: walk to school by herself again on day two. But 50 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: that having been said, she's no victim. She's a survivor. 51 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,600 Speaker 1: She did everything that she was supposed to do under 52 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: the circumstances. Her parents knew her where she was. She 53 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: should not have been alone, There's no question about that. 54 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: But you know what she did, Nancy, She trusted her feelings. 55 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: Something was wrong about this situation, and she puts physical 56 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: distance between herself and whatever that was. You know, I 57 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: think we need a shrink. Let's go to Scott Johnson, 58 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: joining US forensic psychologist out of Minnesota, thirty two years 59 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: in the business, and you can find him at Forensic 60 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: Consultation dot org. Scott, thank you for being with us. 61 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: Why do you think he grabbed the lanyard? They came 62 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: loose during the struggle. Well, definitely, she's likely a targeted victim, 63 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: and so not only as a souvenir, but to continue 64 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: to pursue her. He's now got a picture, the school name, etc. 65 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: So for him it was really important to have them. 66 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: But the fact that he didn't stop at that point, 67 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: he continued to try to pursure again. I think she's 68 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: a targeted victim, and that's why, you know, he came 69 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: back on day two to Ali Neil joining us a 70 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: co founder and executive director rev up Kids at rev 71 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 1: up kids dot org. Alie, thank you for being with us. 72 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: How many times do you think this perv before the 73 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: second attempt had come and stalked this little girl and 74 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 1: watched her. I guarantee you he knew her route, he 75 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: knew what time she would be coming, he knew she 76 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 1: would be alone. I guarantee you he'd been staking out 77 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: that elementary school for a long time. This was not 78 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: day one. I completely agree with you, Nancy, And that's 79 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: one of the things that we always say to parents is, 80 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, stranger danger is a rare occurrence, but wow, 81 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: schools and bus stops, that's the best place to encounter 82 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 1: stranger danger because the kids are on a very regimented schedule, 83 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 1: and it's really easy for a predator to know exactly 84 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: who's there and when they're there, and are they alone, 85 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: and are there any adults around? And are they walking 86 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 1: on an isolated path? And so of course it's easy 87 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: for somebody like this to jerry pick their victim and 88 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: know exactly the best way to approach them and when 89 00:05:56,000 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: to Mark Class Founder, Class Kids Foundation. Mark, you were 90 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 1: the one that first told me this incredible statistic about 91 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: how so many kidnaps and kidnap attempts occur en route 92 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 1: or leaving school, the school bus, stop, walking to school, 93 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: coming home from school. What's that stat you gave me? 94 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: The stat was from the National Center for Missing and 95 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: Exploited Children and the status that one third of all 96 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: stranger abductions occur on school routes for exactly the reasons 97 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: that Ali was just stating. I mean, everything is known, 98 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: but given that knowledge, as a society, there are totally 99 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of things that we can do. We can 100 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: put up surveillance cameras, we can have neighborhood watch programs, 101 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 1: we can ensure that our children are being escorted to 102 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: school by at least other children, if not their parents themselves. 103 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: So this is a situation that can be mitigated nationally. 104 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: If we really wanted to hone in on this, we 105 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: could probably abduction attempts by a third in this country 106 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,919 Speaker 1: given that knowledge. Unfortunately, there doesn't seem to be in 107 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 1: the will to follow through. I don't get at mark 108 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: class knowing what we know. Those statistics alone, thirty percent 109 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 1: of all stranger abductions center around revolve around school drop off, pickup, 110 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: bus stops, somehow getting to and from school. You know. 111 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: Another thing. Straight back out to Nicole Parton, I carefully 112 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: looked at the video and the photographs. There's no school 113 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: guard crossing person. We would think that close to school 114 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: there would be one. There was not. That was about 115 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: a block away. There is a school crossing closer to 116 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the school, but she was still about a block and 117 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: a half out when this happened, so there was no 118 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: crossing guard. There was no one there with her. I 119 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: will say this happened just one block away from North 120 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Federal Highway, which is the main thoroughfare right down through 121 00:08:00,800 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: downtown Fort Lauderdale. So this is not a rural country area. 122 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: This is a block over seven forty am in the morning, 123 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: morning traffic, traffic rush. This is a busy, busy place, 124 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: and this man is very bold to be right there 125 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: trying to abduct this little girl. Jes Goot Morgan joining me, 126 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author All Blood Beneath 127 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: My Feet on Amazon, star of a hit series Body 128 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Bags with Joe Scott Morgan Joe Scott. This is reminiscent 129 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: of all the speculation that was occurring at the beginning, 130 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: especially in the murders of Abbey and Libby in the 131 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: Delphi case, the theory that a transient or a traveler 132 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: had come through and assaulted and killed Abbey and Libby. 133 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: We never bought it because who would know about that 134 00:08:54,640 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: trestle bridge unused out in some you know, it's not 135 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: really even a park. I would say it's more of 136 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: a hiking area. A local really would be the only 137 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: one to know how to get there, to know it 138 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: even existed. Same thing here. I hear what Nicole is 139 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 1: saying that this is near an interstate, But who else 140 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: would know about this little elementary school, this little girl 141 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 1: walking in there at this time? I think it's a 142 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: local or at most one town Over. Yeah, and to 143 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: your point about Abbey and Livy relative to schedulings and 144 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: schools and that sort of thing. Remember those girls who 145 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: are out of school that day and always felt like 146 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: that somebody would have to have knowledge of that, somebody local. 147 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: We have this individual that is essentially loitering around a 148 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: school that's looking for an opportunity to strike at any 149 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:55,200 Speaker 1: moment time. But from a forensic standpoint, that's really helpful 150 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:59,119 Speaker 1: for us and for police specifically that are conducting the investigation, 151 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,839 Speaker 1: because there's always a chance, always a chance that you're 152 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: going to pick up on something relative to behavior or 153 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 1: images or movement or something like this that can try 154 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: him back and it can put him in that space. 155 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: And it all depends on what the police do relative 156 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: to canvassing the area and talking to people that may 157 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: have seen this guy hanging around. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 158 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: this guy doesn't settle for failing the first time trying 159 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: to abduct and lure the little girl. He comes back 160 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: for her. Take a listen to our friends at CBS four. Now, 161 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: after the child took off running in the clip you 162 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: just saw, about twenty seconds later, you see him turning 163 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: the corner looking for the child. A witness in the 164 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: area approaches them and asks the ten year old if 165 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: she knows this man. She says no. At the same 166 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: time that she's saying no, the suspect says yes, they 167 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,359 Speaker 1: do know each other, and that he's her grandfather. The witness, 168 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: realizing that something's not right in sharks, the ten year 169 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: old to run. The guy is so bold mark class. 170 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: When a bystanders just staying there goes, hey, do you 171 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: know him? The guy says, yeah, I'm a grandpa. He 172 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: actually lies about it, and it reminds me of Shasta Grone. 173 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: She and brother Dillon were spotted off the interstate. She 174 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: was swimming in an above ground pool. As I recall, 175 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: I mean, and this is in Core Delaine, Idaho. If 176 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: you fly over it, there's nothing but green, very rule. 177 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: But it was near an interstate. The way Nicole Parton 178 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 1: had described this, he saw her, He kills her whole 179 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: family and takes her and her brother. He molests a 180 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: little brother are ultimately killing him in some sex game 181 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 1: he was playing on the little boy. And when they 182 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: go to ultimately in weeks and weeks and weeks past, 183 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 1: they are actually in a convenience store. He's getting really 184 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: bold taking her out in public. And you remember, Mark, 185 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: we had been covering every night, putting her picture out there, 186 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: out there, out there. The convenience store clerk recognizes Shasta. 187 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 1: She had seen her picture and her kidnapper was acting 188 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: like he was her dad and that nothing was wrong. 189 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: That's some kind of emo acting like this as your child, 190 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 1: a grandchild. You know, these people are very bold. I mean, 191 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: the whole idea that this guy would would have the 192 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: audacity to come back the second day and go after 193 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: the very same child in a very similar manner is 194 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of absolutely unbelievable. It shows why once we identify 195 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: who these characters are, we have to get them off 196 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 1: of this reason. We have to keep them off of 197 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: the screech to keep our children safe. There's no question 198 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: about that at all. So it's a matter now of 199 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: identifying this guy and then dealing with him, if he 200 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 1: will be dealt with. James Shellnut with me twenty seven 201 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 1: years Metro major case, former Swatnell lawyer at the shell 202 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: Nut firm. James, think about the boldness of this guy. 203 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: He spotted the little girl runs, he keeps her lanyard. 204 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: I guarantee you as a souvenir. He knows where she 205 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,439 Speaker 1: goes to school. Now he has her full name, but 206 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 1: the boldness to come back again to get her. You know, 207 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: I've found, through through many years of doing this and 208 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,560 Speaker 1: being in this line of work, that there's two common 209 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,880 Speaker 1: things that breed boldness. One we've talked about, which is 210 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: familiarity with the area, possibly some familiarity with the suspect, 211 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: but the others experience. I don't doubt for two seconds 212 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: that this is not this guy's first to you. I 213 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 1: don't doubt for two seconds that this guy is a predator, 214 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: that he's either done this or tipped to do this before, 215 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,640 Speaker 1: and if he's not stopped, he's gonna do it again. Right, 216 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: And he's definitely you know what would call on one 217 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: hand to seductor child molesters. He believes what he's doing 218 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 1: is okay. He's calm about it, but he's very psychopathic. 219 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: He has minimal, if any fear. He puts himself out there. 220 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: He doesn't get upset if someone confronts him, and very 221 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: likely you know, multiple multiple victims for everyone that we 222 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: catch them for. So this is a very emboldened person 223 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: who you know, didn't do anything to disguise his appearance. 224 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: He just doesn't care. And that's the downside of the 225 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: psychopath is they don't care if they get a bullet 226 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: to the head, go to prison or go free. They 227 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: live moment to moment to moment. Okay, everything he just 228 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: said is very scary that they would take a bullet 229 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 1: to the head. They don't care. And another thing about 230 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: his emo to Alie Neil, co founder and director revved 231 00:15:03,200 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: Up Kids and revd up kids dot org, you really 232 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: need to go to that and class kids dot org 233 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: to find out everything you need to know as a parent. Alie, 234 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: you hear what Scott Johnson just said. He didn't even 235 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: bother to disguise his appearance. But he was also using 236 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: every trick in the book. I mean, hey, little girl, 237 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: you want some candy, you want to ride, here's some money. 238 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: It's just the stereotypical child predator. The only thing he 239 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: didn't say was have you seen my puppy? And his 240 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: van wasn't white? Right, Yeah, it wasn't didn't have a 241 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: white van. You're right. Yeah. Reading this story, I was like, 242 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: this is the classic stranger predator lord that we talked 243 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: to the kids about all the time. And it's as 244 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: founding that it still actually works, isn't it? Because you 245 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: would think every kid in America knows that, or obviously 246 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: this little girl knew it too, and she was able 247 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: to run away. She did run away on that first 248 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: a day. You're right about that, Ali, And to you 249 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: Mark class fallowing up on what Ali Neil just said 250 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: from rebbed up kids, she said, you think every kid 251 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: in America knows this, and they do, but isn't it true? Mark? 252 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: You can tell your child over and over and over, 253 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 1: and they've actually done studies and experiments on children where 254 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: they tell them and then they let the children go 255 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: and a stranger comes up and says, hey, I can't 256 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: find my puppy, and they walk straight up to the car. Mark. 257 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: They're called lures, Nancy as child lures, and it can 258 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 1: be It can be a missing puppy lure, it can 259 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: be a money lure, it can be a candy lure. 260 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: It can be a promise to make you famous kind 261 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: of a lure. These guys are very practiced in these 262 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: lures and they know exactly what they need to say 263 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: and what they need to do to get children near them. 264 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: Now We had a case in the Bay Area over 265 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: twenty years ago of a little girl named Mitchie Sanchez, 266 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: who fortunately escaped from her kidnapper. And it turned out 267 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: that this guy, this taxi driver who had a very 268 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 1: pronounced limp, would use that to get children close enough 269 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,400 Speaker 1: to him so that he could put them in their 270 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: car in his car and then to take them and 271 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: murder them. And it went on for years and years 272 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: and years until Mitchi escaped and they were finally able 273 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 1: to put two and two together and bring this monster 274 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: to justice, and then it stopped. It stopped for another 275 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: decade in the Bay Area before children started feeling unsafe again. 276 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: And Nancy, can I just add to what Marcus just saying, Sure, 277 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: jump in. We are really good as parents at training 278 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: our kids to be helpful, and the predators do use 279 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: that because they know kids are trained to be helpful, 280 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: so asking for help as one of the biggest things 281 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: they do, Like, Hey, I can't find my puppy. Can 282 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I show you a picture of my cat? I'm lost? 283 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,959 Speaker 1: Where is the Methodist Church? I'm all twisted around? Hey 284 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: I know your mom, I know you. I saw you 285 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,639 Speaker 1: playing whatever the kids got on a baseball shirt, hey 286 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: don't you play baseball? And the child just the same way, 287 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: they fall for this, even though their parents have told 288 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: them about these lures their children, and they will go 289 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: right out after you say don't do this, and it's 290 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: like fly straight out of their mind like a bird. 291 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 1: And the shocking statistic mark class that we learned oh 292 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: two well with. Here's a good example. Samantha Runyon. I 293 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 1: think she was three years old playing in the front 294 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,360 Speaker 1: yard mark class with her siblings. Grandma was looking out 295 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: at the kitchen window. A guy pulls up, grabs her 296 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: out of the front yard. She is dead as soon 297 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 1: as he rapes her. She's dead within a couple of hours. 298 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 1: Remember that the statistic about how quickly after a child 299 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,360 Speaker 1: stranger abduction the child will be dead. If they're going 300 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,239 Speaker 1: to be dead, at three quarters of them will be 301 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 1: dead within three hours. If they're going to be dead, 302 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: I think ninety percent of them or even more than that, 303 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: will be dead within the first twenty four hours. So basically, 304 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 1: these kids are dead as soon as they're snatched. It 305 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,880 Speaker 1: was exactly the same thing with Paulie, exactly the same thing, 306 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: and my counsel to any child would be under no circumstances, 307 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: do you go with that individual? You do whatever is 308 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: necessary to stay where you are and to stay alive 309 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: and put the separation between you and the monster. Well, 310 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: and you know, if we think about the monster, here's 311 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,480 Speaker 1: the one problem is that when we're talking psychopathic traits 312 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: of lack of fear, lack of anxiety, this guy doesn't 313 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: care about his face being known. He can blend into 314 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: the community, he can be approached by adults and hold 315 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: his own ground so he looks like he belongs there. 316 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: And you know, we forget that no matter what we 317 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,919 Speaker 1: tell kids, this is a person that's probably looking okay, 318 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:19,400 Speaker 1: looking like they fit in. They're not threatening at the time. 319 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: And that's just the problem when we deal with psychopathic 320 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: or psychopath trade of offenders is that they can just 321 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: simply look you right in the eye and explain fifteen 322 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 1: ways of why it's okay that they're there and you're 323 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:36,359 Speaker 1: not concerned, and they can absolutely convince a little child. 324 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: And the stat mark class just gave you about the 325 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: child and stranger abductions being dead with him about four hours. 326 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: I refer to Samantha Runyon and we'll never forget Cherish 327 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Perrywinkle who was stolen from a supercenter right under her 328 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: mother's nose, and within a couple of hours she had 329 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: been raped and sodomized and murdered. Within just a few hours, 330 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: it was all over. Now back to this case out 331 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:11,640 Speaker 1: of upscale Fort Lauderdale, right near an elementary school one 332 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: block away. Take a list of to our friends at 333 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 1: CBS four. Well, it's truly a disturbing story that we're 334 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: reporting on this morning, as the police are still looking 335 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: for a man who tried to kidnap a young girl 336 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 1: twice on her way to school. Let's take a look 337 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: at that surveillance video. Now. The video seeing now is 338 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: of the incident. You can see the little girl at 339 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: seven forty one Thursday morning running away from the suspect 340 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: at Bennett Elementary. Now Here is a screenshot of the 341 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: man police believe is the suspect, dressed in all black 342 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: next to this way car with dark hair. He is 343 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 1: said to be between twenty five and forty years old. 344 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: Interesting that he dressed in all black. But there's more. 345 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Eva Pilgrim from GMA. 346 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: This morning, an urgent search police and for Lauderdale looking 347 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: for this man who they say, we were a ten 348 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: year old girl into his van on two separate occasions 349 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 1: as she made her way to school, offers her various 350 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: things to try to bribe her into getting into his vehicle. 351 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,640 Speaker 1: This was it the first time he approached the same 352 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: girl on Wednesday, the report, as she walked to Sunrise 353 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: Middle School. At some point, the suspect exits his vehicle 354 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 1: and attempts to grab this ten year old child. She 355 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: drops her lanyard and the suspect picks it up. The 356 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: same mail approaches her, but this time he is on foot. 357 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: He begins to engage in a conversation with her. Scott 358 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Johnson joining me, a forensic psychologist. Why do perhaps keep 359 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 1: souvenirs of their crimes, Well, they relive it in their head. 360 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: And every perpetrator that I've interviewed, when we talk about 361 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 1: specific victims, they can recall that specific victim, how they smelled, 362 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: how they reacted, what they did. There's that memory tape 363 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:01,479 Speaker 1: of each victim. And so this is a targeted victim. 364 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: At least at this point, he's got her ID. He's 365 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: attempted twice, and unfortunately he will likely attempt again at 366 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,639 Speaker 1: you know, not necessarily on the way to school, but 367 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: somewhere else he's focused on this girl. So now that 368 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: he's got the ID, he can go home and can 369 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: I say, masturbate in his head about what he would 370 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: like to do with this girl. That's why he can 371 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: come out and do what he does and not care 372 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: if he gets caught. He's so wrapped up into the 373 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: pleasure of his plan. Mark class, he's putting it my way. 374 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: I doubt he masturbated just in his head. He probably 375 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: held that lanyard, he probably put it on, he probably 376 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: smelled it, he probably rubbed it on his body. Yeah, 377 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: it's not a pretty thought, but what's even an eglier thought. 378 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: It's what he wanted to do to this little girl 379 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: before statistically he killed her. You know, I have first 380 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: hand knowledge of only one sexually sadistic psychopath. That's the 381 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: guy that killed Paulie. And during an interview in nineteen 382 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: seventy eight with a psychologist in prison, he said that 383 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: he masturbates in his cell twice daily thinking about his 384 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: past victims. So these are the people we're talking about. 385 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: This is what we're trying to deal with here. We're 386 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 1: dealing with the dregs of society and we keep giving 387 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: him a pass, and I'm quite sure I understand why. 388 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: And what's so scary about this case is that the 389 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: guy is still on the run again. Take a listen. 390 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: Our friends at WSVN Fort Lauderdale police on the hunt 391 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,719 Speaker 1: this Friday for this guy. Surveillance video shows this men 392 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: tried to lure her into his van before school Thursday. 393 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: Here's a closer look at the alleged would be kidnapper. 394 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: Police say he first ran in her direction northeast fifteenth 395 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: Street and Fort Lauderdale and then turns and heads around 396 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 1: the corner. He was wearing all black, black sweater and 397 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: black pants. He may be wearing glasses. He has short 398 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: brown hair, and he's between the ages of twenty five 399 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: and forty years old. That's pretty vague. Between twenty five 400 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: and forty, Nicole parton, don't they have this guy at 401 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Servilla's video? They do, that's correct, and I have looked 402 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: it over. I know you have two And another interesting 403 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: thing I noted the second attempt. The second attempt, he's 404 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: wearing the exact same clothes when interviewed and what witnesses 405 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: gave to the police. He's still wearing just satly black sweater. 406 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: This is his mo on his head. He's got the 407 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: image of how do I do what I do? How 408 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: do I see myself? What I do? Not uncommon? There's 409 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: a uniform if you will that he wears that, same clothes, 410 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: same everything. That's not uncommon. Okay, guys, this is not 411 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: the first time by far that a child has been 412 00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,480 Speaker 1: targeted by a sex predator. En route to school, Take 413 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: loosen our friends at primetime, a gray car pulls up. 414 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,080 Speaker 1: A man rolls down the window and his hand shoots 415 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: out and I just feel numb. My whole body is tingly. 416 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't know what it's from. She had been paralyzed 417 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: by a stun gun. I lost control of my bladder. 418 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: I wasn't even embarrassed on the ground. The sharp edges 419 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: of a pine cone are the last thing she touches 420 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: before she comes to face down on the floor in 421 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 1: the backseat of a car. The man behind the wheel 422 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: is Philip Garrito, a convicted sex offender, supposedly monitored by 423 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: parole officers and doctors, holding her down on the floor 424 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 1: as his wife Nancy. The district attorney believes Nancy scouted 425 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: this little girl for her husband as a prize. Listen 426 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: to more from Diane Sawyer. He takes away the pink 427 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,479 Speaker 1: clothes she dressed in that morning. The only thing she 428 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: has left is a little ring shaped like a butterfly. 429 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: She will hide from him for eighteen years. Over her head, 430 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: he walks her through a small area of grass toward 431 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: a fence where an opening is concealed by a tarp 432 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: and hidden behind the fence and deranged collection of sheds 433 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 1: and storage units which the people monitoring Garrito would not search. 434 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: One of them tiny, completely sound proof. He leads her 435 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: inside and takes out handcuffs, said that they there were 436 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: the fuzzy kind, so they wouldn't hurt as bad. There 437 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: was a palette on the floor, and then he said 438 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: he'd be back later. He was back, many, many times, 439 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,400 Speaker 1: repeatedly raping her. She gave birth to her captor's children, 440 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: all under the auspices of his own wife, Nancy Garrito. 441 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: Listen again. I tried not to cry because I couldn't 442 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 1: wipe them away or you know, and the naked itchy 443 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: And at one point she made a note to remember 444 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: the sound of the train so it would help her 445 00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 1: mom find her. I was so lonely, I felt so alone. 446 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: Have you seen Ja c Lee Dugard and one's twenty 447 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: miles away. The mother who loves her and will never 448 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: give up, goes on television to make her first plea. 449 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: It's pretty young, innocent child. Friends have been searching all 450 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: day and evening police started searching the neighborhood. Police set 451 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: up a roadblock and go door to door. Her classmates 452 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: are out in the streets holding up signs. All that occurring, 453 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: but nothing could help. Seemingly fine jac Duker, but she 454 00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: was ultimately found many many years later, found alive with 455 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: her children. And of course there's a case Aleanna DeFries 456 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 1: Pleveland Police are asking for your help to find an 457 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: endangered missing teenager this morning, So take a good look 458 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: at her picture. Alanna de Friese was last seeing yesterday 459 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: near East one hundred forty ninth Street. She was boarding 460 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: a bus for school, but then never showed up at school. 461 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: Police say she suffers from mental health issues. Anyone with 462 00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 1: information is asked to call police immediately. The walk from 463 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: Eliah's home just a few blocks away from her bus stop. 464 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: To walk from her house to the school bus stop, 465 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: it's not long to Frieze was a team that's true, 466 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: but that she had the mind of a little girl. 467 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: She was mentally disabled. You're hearing our friends at WKYC 468 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:38,479 Speaker 1: and WNDU. Her case did not end as jc's did. Listen. 469 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Cleveland police are trying to figure out who would murder 470 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: a fourteen year old girl. It is now confirmed that 471 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 1: the body of Aleana de Frieze was found in a 472 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,719 Speaker 1: vacant home earlier this week. Tiffany Tarpley joins us from 473 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: the newsroom. Now and Tiffany, investigators had to use DNA, 474 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 1: had to use DNA to identify her and once again 475 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: mark class just like the little Fort Lauderdale girl. She 476 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,479 Speaker 1: was on her way to school. Well, so many of 477 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: them are on their way to school. So why don't 478 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: we have safe houses on every block on these school routes. 479 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: Why don't people go on to their state's Megan Law 480 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 1: website to see what predators may actually or sex offenders 481 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: may actually live along those school routes so they can 482 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,959 Speaker 1: deal with that appropriately. Why don't we take the steps 483 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: that are necessary to mitigate stranger abduction in the United 484 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: States When we know exactly what we need to do, 485 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 1: we know exactly where we need to do it. We 486 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: know who the victims are and we know who the 487 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: culprits are. So I think it's time to arm ourselves 488 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: as Americans and do what we did back in the 489 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: nineteen nineties and early two thousands, and that's take steps 490 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: to protect the children in America from the predatory nature 491 00:30:52,160 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: of these horrible, monstrous criminals. Crime stories. With Nancy Grace 492 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: Alimeil joining us kids along with Mark Class, I want 493 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: you to listen to this Ali speaking of the bold 494 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: nature of the Fort Lauderdale predator, takeles and our friends 495 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,920 Speaker 1: at New six. You can see the man as he 496 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: runs out of that van there and then tried to 497 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 1: grab the girl early yesterday, but she fought back, sending 498 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: the would be kidnapper tumbling to the ground, and then 499 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: he eventually runs away. Several hours later, deputy say they 500 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: found the suspect partially covered in blue slime, which the 501 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: child was playing with when the ambush happened. You saw 502 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: the blue goo, the slime that's on the suspect that 503 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: the victim had. You're not kidding anyone. We know who 504 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: you are, we know you're an animal, and we also 505 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: know you're under arrest. Deputy's arrested thirty year old Jared Stanga. 506 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: They say he approached the same girl just two weeks ago. 507 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: Yesterday was the child's first time at the bus stop 508 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: by herself since that encounter. What is he gonna do 509 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: with me? Where's gonna play? Where is he gonna Where 510 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: am I gonna be? What is my feelingly going to think? Scared? Anxious? 511 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,680 Speaker 1: A man came out of the car and he had 512 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: a knife in his hand. I tried running golf with 513 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: then he got me. He took me with his arm 514 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: and I was able to get him down to the 515 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: groune and I was able to get away. You were 516 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: hearing Alyssa's description of how she got away, and also 517 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: we're hearing Nicole parton that the same predator had tried 518 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: to kidnap her from the bus stop two weeks before 519 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: and he couldn't do it. He came back, just like 520 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:58,000 Speaker 1: in the case off Fort Lauderdale. Absolutely, and again we're 521 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 1: seeing just how bold these perps are. They are relentless 522 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: to come back for victims. As had been said, they 523 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: are targeting these school areas. They've been there, They've been 524 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: watching our little ones. I have an almost ten year 525 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: old son. He was mad at me a couple of 526 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: weeks ago because I wouldn't let him walk to the 527 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: end of the block for a community soccer game. But 528 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: we have to safeguard our kids. These people are out 529 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: there and they are watching. Yeah, you know, Mark Klass, 530 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: My daughter asked me all the time, am I ever 531 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: going to get to go on a walk alone? And 532 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: she looks at me like I'm the devil. I'm like, sure, 533 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: you've been going to walk alone right now? And then 534 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: of course I have to trail her, you know, at 535 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: a discreet distance as she can't see me, and get 536 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: my husband to pick her up on the back end. 537 00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: And it's just like because of cases just like this, 538 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: what do you think, Mark, of the guy coming back 539 00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: the second time, not just for Alyssa, but in this case, 540 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: well stocking, isn't it, Nancy. I mean, that's what they're 541 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,800 Speaker 1: doing to these kids. In Paulie's case, the guy's stalked 542 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 1: her apparently for some period of time before he finally 543 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 1: set upon the plan to kidnap her. You know, these 544 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: guys are opportunists, they're monsters. They'll do whatever they need 545 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: to do to get their prey. And I don't think 546 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: that they're fearless about it. I think that they're very 547 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,279 Speaker 1: concerned about themselves. I think they want to stay on 548 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: the street so they can continue to prey on little kids. 549 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: And I also think, Nancy, that in our society now, 550 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: we put the burden of the child's safety on the 551 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: shoulders of the children themselves, and it shouldn't be that way. 552 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: We're the adults, we're the responsible ones. We're the ones 553 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: that should be taking the steps necessary to protect our kids. 554 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: Some of the things that we've talked about before, surveillance, 555 00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 1: better sentencing for these characters. Philip Garrito was in It 556 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: was in prison for horrible crimes before he got out 557 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: early so that he could attack jac Gardenholder prisoner for 558 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,879 Speaker 1: eighteen years. We identify them, we know who they are, 559 00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,239 Speaker 1: but we give them a second pass, and a third 560 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,279 Speaker 1: pass and a fourth pass until absolute tragedy ensues and 561 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,799 Speaker 1: then nobody wins. Can I add to that? Sure, I 562 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:21,240 Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree that adults should take responsibility for protecting the children. 563 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: But the story you just played, that little girl was scrappy, 564 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: and she fought back and she got away. And I 565 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: think it's also important for us to arm the children 566 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: with those kind of tools so that they know how 567 00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: to respond to somebody's grabbing them, and they know that 568 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: even if this person is bigger and stronger, I can 569 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: do something to hurt them enough to get them to 570 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: let go of me so I can escape to safety. 571 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: So I agree that I think it needs to be 572 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: this multi layered approach that includes everybody in the conversation, 573 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: including the children. And you can find those tips at 574 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: Revved Up Kids online and at class Kids Now. One 575 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: big difference James shell Nutt joining me is the Alyssa 576 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: girl who was at the bus stop and managed to 577 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: somehow get blue slime on her kidnapper. She told her 578 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,760 Speaker 1: parents the day that it first happened, and for two weeks, 579 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,160 Speaker 1: her dad, I believe it was her dad, Jack would 580 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,680 Speaker 1: take her and sit there until the bus came, and 581 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 1: finally they thought, well, okay, he's not coming back. One day. 582 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: This is the first day she goes back and he 583 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: comes back to try to kidnaper. That's not a coincidence, 584 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: shell Nutt. No, No, this guy, this guy's for me 585 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: with the area. You know this guy, this is a 586 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: core area for this guy. I mean, he's been there before. 587 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: He either knows somebody, he couldn't even be working in 588 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 1: conjunction with somebody there with another predator. He knows what's 589 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: going on in this area. He watched the dad sit 590 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: there in the minute he's gone. He's like a fox 591 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: when the hen house is not guarded and he goes 592 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: in and praise on this little girl and Nicole Parton 593 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. This little 594 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:08,040 Speaker 1: girl in Fort Lauderdale. On the first day when the 595 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: guy pursued her and got her lanyard, she did not 596 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: mention it to her parents. That's correct. So we're being 597 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: told that she mentioned it at school, but she did 598 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,359 Speaker 1: not mention it to her parents until the second day 599 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: when it happened again. You know what's interesting, and we 600 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,280 Speaker 1: may wonder, oh, why was she afraid to tell her parents? 601 00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,680 Speaker 1: You know what, I don't really necessarily buy into that. 602 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:35,239 Speaker 1: To Scott Johnson forensic psychologists, it's a funny thing what 603 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 1: stands out in children's minds, Like I'll say, what happened 604 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,799 Speaker 1: at school, Jake, nothing? And then I go, well, what 605 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,319 Speaker 1: happened on your math test? And then they tell me that, 606 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: and they go, well, what happened with that mean girl? 607 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: And then they'll tell me that, I'll say we did 608 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 1: so and so get kicked out for cheating, and then 609 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,880 Speaker 1: they'll tell me that big thing happened. Things do happen, 610 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: and they just don't think the way adults think. Scott, right, 611 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: and we may need to ask better question just like 612 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: you did, you know, how was your day at school? 613 00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: And then specifically what about Jim class? What about lunch? 614 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 1: And kids are innocent, they don't always know what's important 615 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,200 Speaker 1: or not important. However, they may also have shame or 616 00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 1: fear about what happened because it was a scary new situation. 617 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: But you know, for parents to reach out and certainly 618 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: to recognize if your kids are acting a little different, 619 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't care how little different, talk to them about that. 620 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: But what concerns me about this is if the school, 621 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: if she told school officials, you know whether or not 622 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: they one or a parium, because that's a piece that 623 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: would really well, I want to say, piss me off. 624 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: Is that if they didn't call the police and the parents, 625 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: and not only that, Scott Johnson, an email and text 626 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,800 Speaker 1: should have gone out to every single parent of that 627 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: school incident. So Nicole parton what happened on the second 628 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,800 Speaker 1: attempt On the second attempt, she's again seven forty am. 629 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: She's on the same street. She's walking to school, and 630 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: he approaches her on foot, this time no vehicle. He 631 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 1: approaches her on foot and says to her, Hey, it's me. 632 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640 Speaker 1: You didn't get your candy yesterday. Do you want your 633 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:19,279 Speaker 1: candy today? She starts to run. She says no, and 634 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: thank god, there is someone watching who walks up and says, 635 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 1: wait a minute, and says to the little girl, do 636 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: you know this guy? And the little girl says no, 637 00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,839 Speaker 1: and that the gentleman says the perk says, oh yeah, 638 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 1: I'm her grandfather, and the bystander says to the little girl, run, 639 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 1: run as fast as you can, get out of here. 640 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: And the little girl runs to the nearby elementary school 641 00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,000 Speaker 1: and gets away from him. Get again, this guy on 642 00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,919 Speaker 1: the lamb. He has not been caught. He didn't get 643 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: this little girl this time, but this guy is not 644 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: giving up. Hear me. Thirty to forty years old, white male, 645 00:39:55,719 --> 00:40:00,239 Speaker 1: five ten to six feet, brown hair, believes it can 646 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: be passed off as the grandfather. Tipline nine five four 647 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,280 Speaker 1: four nine three eight four seven seven Nancy Grace signing 648 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,480 Speaker 1: off goodbye friend.