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Speaker 1: Ooh, this is a good one.

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Speaker 2: This classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realist features one of our

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Speaker 2: old friends pall of the show, Jeremy Corbel, who is

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Speaker 2: currently the host of another show called Weaponized Matt.

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Speaker 1: You know, back in the day, let's.

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Speaker 2: See Jeremy and you and I talked extensively about some

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Speaker 2: of his documentaries, and I believe he's the guy who

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Speaker 2: really connected with us on you know, on Uncle Sam's

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Speaker 2: formerly secret version of Project Blue Book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Ben, is it weird to you that for five

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Speaker 3: years now UAP has been a thing. It's been five

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Speaker 3: years since we've been talking about UFOs as UAP. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it just happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh my gosh, oof, it is weird.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think about the passage of time to quote the talking,

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Speaker 2: but also also let's give people their props where they're deserved.

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Speaker 2: Jeremy for many years had been ringing the bell about

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Speaker 2: this right and came to us always with an open

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Speaker 2: hand and just said, guys, I want to spread the

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Speaker 2: message there's something wonky going on here, and never made

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Speaker 2: any crazy claims, was never disingenuous, continues his work today.

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Speaker 2: So I think we're both very we're very grateful for

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Speaker 2: this conversation into something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

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Speaker 1: Or AA TIP AA TIP Okay.

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Speaker 4: Here it is from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.

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Speaker 4: History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back

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Speaker 4: now or learn this stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 3: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben.

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Speaker 2: We're joined with our super producer, Paul Decant, the man

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Speaker 2: behind the curtain here, and most importantly, you are you

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Speaker 2: that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Today,

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Speaker 2: we're very excited, friends, neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists, because we

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Speaker 2: are finally delving into a story that you heard about

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Speaker 2: fairly recently. And you may have seen it as an

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Speaker 2: interesting headline on your Facebook feed if that's where you

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Speaker 2: get your news. You may have seen a couple of

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Speaker 2: people commenting on it in Reddit. You may have wondered

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Speaker 2: why such an earth shaking story hit the headlines and

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Speaker 2: then appeared to vanish.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 6: When I first saw it, I was like, wait, so

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Speaker 6: this is like an admission that the stuff is real.

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, these programs are real, especially because you were

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Speaker 3: probably reading it in the New York Times, which you

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Speaker 1: There, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I was like, this is the one, this is the

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Speaker 6: big one. And then it was kind of just like that.

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Speaker 1: What happened to that story?

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Speaker 2: Right paper of note New York Times, and a journalist

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Speaker 2: Ralph Blumenthal went public with a front page Sunday article

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Speaker 2: in The New York Times fairly recently, where it was

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Speaker 2: entitled Glowing Auras and Black Money, The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO column. Bloomenthal,

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Speaker 2: writing with Leslie Keene and Helene Cooper, it introduced the

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Speaker 2: vast majority of the public, including Matt Noll, Paul and myself,

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Speaker 2: to something called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. And

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Speaker 2: this blew our collective mind. Yes, we weren't sure what

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Speaker 2: was up, We weren't sure what was left, what was right,

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Speaker 2: where to go, And because we wanted to bring the

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Speaker 2: most fascinating and most accurate information to bear on this subject,

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Speaker 2: we connected with one of our experts in the field

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Speaker 2: him with us on the air today. Ladies, and gentlemen,

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Speaker 2: you may remember him from our previous episode on Allegations

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Speaker 2: of Alien Implants or Mysterious Implants, The mastermind behind the

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Speaker 2: film Patient seventeen.

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Speaker 6: Number twenty five on Netflix and trending right now. By

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Speaker 6: the way, check it out if you haven't already.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to introduce you to Jeremy Corbel.

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Speaker 5: Jeremy, Hey, gentlemen, thanks for having me on again.

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Speaker 3: Of course, So all right, you just I guess we

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Speaker 3: just started the beginning. Let's go to the day this

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Speaker 5: Well, I've actually been working on the TikTok ca for

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Speaker 3: So can you tell us a little bit about what

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Speaker 5: Sure? Yeah, I mean we should go. You know, here

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Speaker 5: are other facts. Man, the devil's in the details. And

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Speaker 5: this is a real conspiracy reality. This is something being

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Speaker 5: you know, does have a focus on the tic Tac

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Speaker 5: from their secrecy agreements. So it's really great how this

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Speaker 5: California was one of many incidents where there's an anomalous

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Speaker 5: And this thing was observed within one hundred feet by

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Speaker 5: And so that is kind of the core of that story,

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Speaker 5: that there is unknown technology, unknown craft from unknown origins

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Speaker 2: Right, and that's I really want to emphasize this for

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Speaker 2: there were other observers, and these were experts. These were

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Speaker 5: Yeah? In fact, these our most highly trained combat pilots.

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Speaker 5: There were four visual observers on that particular day. Yet

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Speaker 2: And the craft itself did not look like anything we

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Speaker 1: There were no rotors, no wings, no, not even any portholes.

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Speaker 5: In my conversations with Commander David Fraber, it was the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure so, yeah. I have developed a network of

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Speaker 5: So in the public eye, nothing has been studied about

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Speaker 5: There is a very strange link to a very strange

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're back now. Generally, when I think about the

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Speaker 5: program through the twenty two million dollars, so we're talking

435
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 5: about a major intelligence agency within the United States. In

436
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 5: the article something else another point people didn't really pick

437
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 5: up on. There were alloys. There were skifs that were built,

438
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 5: you know, to protect information and actual objects at Big

439
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 5: Low Aerospace in Las Vegas, Nevada. These were being held

440
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:53,320
Speaker 5: there foreign to say it nicely, foreign technologies or alloys.

441
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 5: So you know UFO alloys. And I think what we're

442
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 5: going to learn a lot about in the next year

443
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 5: or so is the atomic layering of these alloys. How

444
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 5: do we know that they weren't created on Earth by

445
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 5: another nation? So keep your eyes out for that, and

446
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 5: don't forget that was said in the article. They were

447
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 5: warehousing alloys. They also mentioned really briefly, and this was

448
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 5: a leak about medical studies for UAP or unidentified flying

449
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 5: objects or UFOs, whatever you want to call them, encounters

450
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: by our government and military personnel. So there are medical

451
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 5: studies on individuals who had prolonged UAP unidentified aero phenomena encounters.

452
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 5: That's something that hopefully we will learn more about. Now

453
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 5: let's talk about demons, since we're going to where it

454
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 5: gets crazy. The program was stopped because people were scared

455
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 5: lists of being in this all being on the front

456
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 5: page of any news report, because some people believe this

457
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 5: was not the works of aliens or ets, but it

458
00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 5: was in fact demonic. This is true. Within our intelligence agencies,

459
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 5: people believe this, and they didn't want it splashed on

460
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 5: the New York Times because they believed it was demonic.

461
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 5: That is true. That is crazy. So, I mean, I

462
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 5: don't know what it is, but that is wild. The

463
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 5: other thing is the Skinwalker Ranch connection has not been

464
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 5: flashed out, and I'm making a movie on that. I'm

465
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 5: making a movie to show those connections between these recent

466
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 5: UFO events, the twenty two million and the Skinwalker ranch connection,

467
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 5: and so that kind of leads us to that. But

468
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,719
Speaker 5: all of that to me is wild.

469
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed.

470
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Speaker 2: And one thing, that's one thing that's interesting when you

471
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 2: mention that people within the government, some of the people

472
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 2: in Uncle Sam's employ felt that there were religious or

473
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: spiritual implications about that. We know that can sound insane, folks,

474
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 2: but we have to remember that regardless of what someone's

475
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: occupation is or what the role is, there are still

476
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: a human being and they move by these human modives.

477
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 2: So if someone takes if someone interprets a threat seriously

478
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: enough right, then they will feel that it is a

479
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: moral imperative to report it. So this, uh, while just

480
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: hearing what you heard just now might sound like creepy

481
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 2: pasta on the internet, the fact is that these were

482
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: real people. These were genuine government employees who were voicing

483
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Speaker 2: these concerns.

484
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're seeing it through their own lens, right.

485
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 5: Which is there's nothing wrong with because you know, I

486
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 5: don't know the ultimate truth. If anybody says they know

487
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 5: the ultimate truth, they're lying. But that perspective is worthy

488
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 5: of an individual who has religious faith to say, this

489
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 5: is my concern. What we're witnessing is the act of

490
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 5: the dabble. You know, these are not aliens, This is

491
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 5: demonic and that in fact halted progress on these studies

492
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 5: it did, which is pretty intense.

493
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: Wow.

494
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Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit more in depth about skin

495
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 2: Walker Ranch while we're here, because one thing that you

496
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: can say for sure about Skinwalker Ranch, whether you are

497
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: tuning in as a.

498
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: Guide in the world, believer.

499
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Speaker 2: About a very specific aspect of it, or whether you

500
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 2: consider yourself a James Randy esque skeptic, you can easily

501
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 2: admit that Skinwalker Ranch is the subject of intense controversy.

502
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: Since we talked about on James Randy, one of the

503
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 2: messianic figures of the Internet skeptic movement, had said that

504
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: he had deemed Robert Bigelow's purchase of Skinwalker Ranch as

505
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 2: a useless study or useless investigation, whereas other people have

506
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 2: sworn that they have seen incredibly anomalous activities such as

507
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: cattle mutilation right the strange, strange objects in the sky.

508
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: And what we were hoping to ask you, as you're

509
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: our go to expert on this, could you give our

510
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: listeners an overview of Skinwalker Ranch as Okay, I'll just

511
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: go to the chase.

512
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: What the heck's going on there? Man?

513
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 5: It's a great question, and it's easy to throw stones

514
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 5: someone like James Randy at Robert Bigelow saying it's useless

515
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 5: or whatever. But you know what, our Defense Intelligence Agency

516
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 5: did not think it was useless. In fact, Skinwalker Ranch

517
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: was the subject of the most intense scientific study of

518
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 5: UFOs and the paranormal by our United States government in history.

519
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 5: So it wasn't just one eccentric billionaire putting his money

520
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 5: behind this. Now we know that. Now we know there

521
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 5: was a partnership made with Thedia. So people can throw

522
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: stones and say that sounds ridiculous, and I agree, it

523
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,719
Speaker 5: sounds ridiculous. But you wouldn't do a prolonged study at

524
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 5: a place if there wasn't scientific information and data that

525
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 5: you were getting let it be classified or not. So

526
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 5: let's talk about Skinwalker Ranch, the bullet points or this.

527
00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety eight, real estate mogul self made billionaire

528
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 5: Robert Bigelow a big Low Aerospace. He purchased the four

529
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 5: hundred and eighty acre ranch in northeastern Utah to use

530
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 5: as a living laboratory to study the UFO phenomenon, and historically,

531
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 5: just to put it out there, this location or this

532
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 5: whole you into basin, has been inundated with bizarre phenomena

533
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: going on back generations. So Bigelow just wanted answers to

534
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: some you know, some big questions, and he was determined

535
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 5: to find them, regardless of the cost. What happened at

536
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 5: the ranch historically, you know, what's claimed to lurk in

537
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 5: the shadows goes far beyond UFOs, but bizarre events range

538
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 5: from you know, perplexing to wholly terrifying, vanishing and mutilated cattle,

539
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 5: unidentified flying objects, huge otherworldly creatures, appearing, flying orbs, everything

540
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,239
Speaker 5: under the sun. Like a grab bag of bizarre is

541
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 5: what was reported by scientists and locals in this area

542
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 5: for generations. And one family at this ranch, you know,

543
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 5: their life was under siege by these unknown enemies or

544
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 5: entities and nothing could explain it. And they thought maybe

545
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 5: science could and in enters Robert Bigelow and he employed

546
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 5: a crack team, a pH d level scientists to conduct

547
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 5: long term investigation into the reports of the phenomena, and

548
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 5: the team was tasked to use the ranch as this

549
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 5: living laboratory. You know, that's big low zone words in

550
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 5: the uent to basin. And they quietly and with rigor,

551
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 5: they studied the ranch and what they encountered during that

552
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 5: study would test their beliefs and even their sense of reason.

553
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 5: And that's what's skin Walker Ranches a living laboratory and

554
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 5: the most scientifically studied paranorma hot body in history. And

555
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 5: our government was involved.

556
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Speaker 3: And we're going to get deeper into this story after

557
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 3: a quick word from our sponsor. So jeremy, give us

558
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: a little insight on how you've come to acquire what

559
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 3: I've seen from a trailer, boxes and boxes of videotapes

560
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: and documents all about the Skinwalker Ranch.

561
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 5: Sure, well, right time, right place, my mentor, George Napp.

562
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 5: You know he's a two time Peabody Awarding award winning,

563
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 5: you know, twenty seven Emmy journalist. The guy breaks stories

564
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 5: right and last day and night for thirty years. Right. So,

565
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 5: one thing that he did was he earned the trust

566
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 5: of those involved by keeping his mouth shut and being

567
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 5: able to be on location, you know, dozens and dozens

568
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 5: of time and working with the scientific teams to just

569
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 5: have a journalistic standpoint on it that one day maybe

570
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 5: he could make a documentary or reveal this info, and

571
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 5: he's let out little bits and pieces. But now that

572
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,760
Speaker 5: the ranch has changed hands, all of that has been altered.

573
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 5: We can now tell this story. So poking and prodding

574
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 5: and trying to get the information and what he's collected

575
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 5: and sorting it and corelating it, that's what I've been

576
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 5: doing for the last couple of years. And wow, what

577
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 5: I've been covered through this is truly shocking and interesting.

578
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 5: So that led me to want to make a movie

579
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Speaker 5: on it.

580
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Speaker 3: Okay, So George Knapp had these documents, and it appears

581
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 3: that he was under some kind of non disclosure agreement,

582
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 3: and that's the I'm trying to understand here. He wasn't

583
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 3: allowed to talk about it for a while.

584
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, journalistic ethics is more about it. If you're let

585
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 5: in to observe and look at something and your set

586
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 5: you're told you know, as a journalist, you know it

587
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 5: is not the time to talk about this, but I

588
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 5: want it kind of recorded for history. We're not talking

589
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 5: about just documents. We're also talking about footage, actual footage

590
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 5: that goes back twenty years. So this is something that

591
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 5: he kept his word as a journalist. The moment he

592
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 5: breaks that, people no longer trust him, you know, if

593
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 5: they're a source for him. So he kept his word

594
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: and he did not leak any information, although he did

595
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 5: report on it from time to time in the capacity

596
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 5: he could even wrote a book on you know, Hunter

597
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 5: for the Skinwalk or great book it'll get you up

598
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 5: to date on what happened there. So he was able

599
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 5: to put some stuff out, but the meat of it, yeah,

600
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 5: he had to is a human burden as a journalist.

601
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 5: He had to sit on it and those that time

602
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 5: has now.

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Speaker 2: Gone, and that was a burden that you were also

604
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: shouldering for your time researching this this upcoming work. One

605
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: thing that's interesting that I know a lot of a

606
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 2: lot of us in the audience are going to ask

607
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 2: and it's completely fine if this and completely understandable. There's

608
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 2: a question that shouldn't be answered on air. You mentioned

609
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 2: that Robert Bigelow no longer owns Skinwalker Ranch, that it

610
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: was acquired by another party.

611
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: Do we know who that party.

612
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 2: Is and do they wish they were remain anonymous? Are

613
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 2: they affiliated with the government in any way, et cetera.

614
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 5: The public does not know who the new owner of

615
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 5: Skinwalker Ranch is. The new owner of Skinwalker Ranch is

616
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 5: not affiliated with the government, to the best of my knowledge,

617
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 5: and the new owner desires to remain out of the

618
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 5: public eye. So I respect that and again journalistic integrity,

619
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Speaker 5: and there's you know, no reason to go beyond that.

620
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, that you know, there is new ownership, and

621
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Speaker 5: that is interesting.

622
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Speaker 2: Okay, this, I'm really glad that we got that out

623
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Speaker 2: into the air. I also wanted to well, Matt Nolan

624
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 2: and I wanted to follow up on something that we

625
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 2: had been thinking about four years and I know you're

626
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 2: on the same page with us here, and that's the

627
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: larger concept of disclosure capital D disclosure, And this is

628
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 2: to catch everyone up. This is the idea that there

629
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: would be some globally recognized acknowledgement of either evidence of

630
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: extraterrestrials visiting in the past, evidence of extraterrestrial life even

631
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: if it hasn't contacted Earth, or something like that. Do

632
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 2: you see this announcement by the Pentagon, regardless of how

633
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 2: much SLOW remains classified, do you see this as a

634
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 2: step toward that? Do you believe that disclosure is an

635
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 2: impending phenomenon?

636
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: No, disclosure will not happen. People would go to jail.

637
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 5: It would also be very damaging to the world in general. However,

638
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 5: confirmation is something that appears that we are inching towards

639
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: to some people even believe we've had confirmation if you

640
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 5: really read and understand and talk with the people involved

641
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 5: here from the news reports to the television interviews. But

642
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 5: I think it's a very important to understand disclosure with

643
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,239
Speaker 5: the capital D. That is a fantasy. People would go

644
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 5: to jail if the United States government says we are

645
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 5: in fact being visited by extra terrestrials and we have

646
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 5: been for a long time, and here's all the information

647
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 5: we've been reverse engineering their technology or attempting to that

648
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 5: is that people would would go down for that. So

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00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 5: that's not going to happen. But what might happen and

650
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 5: appears we are inching towards, is confirmation, the idea that hey,

651
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 5: there are unknowns, and these unknowns they have to be

652
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 5: piloted if it's what it appears, although all the evidence

653
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 5: shows these are not beings from other star systems visiting us,

654
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 5: but in fact it's much more complex than that. That's

655
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 5: actually what the evidence shows. But yeah, I believe we're

656
00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:01,280
Speaker 5: inching towards confirmation of what we do know to a degree,

657
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 5: but no, no disclosure with a capital D. That's that's

658
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 5: just never going to happen in my opinion.

659
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: Well, that's disheartening, Jeremy, because I've been waiting on that

660
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:11,479
Speaker 3: for a long time.

661
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm joking.

662
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 6: We're totally I guess the reason I'm to We're totally joking.

663
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 6: But it's like, you know, they released They do tend

664
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 6: to release stuff years and years and years later when

665
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 6: it seems like it maybe is irrelevant for actual living humans,

666
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 6: like things about the Kennedy assassination and stuff. But I

667
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 6: feel like you're I agree with you. It doesn't seem

668
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 6: like the government does things like that and for any

669
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 6: other reason than to placate people and not actually to inform.

670
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 5: Right or to get what they want. Remember the eleson

671
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 5: in the room here is that how these craft operate

672
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: on the On the last show with you, I said,

673
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 5: the only one thing we know about UFOs is that

674
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 5: it's a huge amount of energy in a very small

675
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 5: amount of space. Scientifically we know that. So now we're

676
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 5: looking again at a fierce technology. It's like the moment

677
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 5: that you learn how to make a nuclear reactor for power.

678
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: You cannot unlearn how to make a nuclear bomb. So

679
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 5: the weaponization potential of these technologies are so powerful that

680
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 5: for all the good things that could do for us,

681
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 5: it could be a very destructive. It would be a

682
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 5: very destructive technology. And so that is the elephant in

683
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 5: the room.

684
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, I'm going back to the twenty two million

685
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: dollars because I think this is an important point and

686
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 3: it kind of touches on disclosure as well. The FA

687
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: eighteen super Hornet that Commander David Fraverer was flying when

688
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 3: he saw the tic tac UFO incident, the price tag

689
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: on that vehicle if you were going to buy it

690
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, that of course, was two thousand and four,

691
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 3: it would be seventy million dollars. And if you're imagining

692
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 3: that that single jet that that single pilot was flying

693
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 3: that observed a UFO is several times more than the

694
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 3: entire operating budget for a program. For me, that spells

695
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 3: smokescreen or perhaps almost a front or disinformation of some

696
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 3: sort in some way. That's just what that's what it

697
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: feels like to me in my gut. And I just

698
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 3: wonder if you've encountered anything like that that would make

699
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: you think there's something fishy going on.

700
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the only thing fishy going on is

701
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,759
Speaker 5: that we're not being told where our tax dollars are

702
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: being spent on. It's not being acknowledged that this is

703
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 5: a high priority. That again, that twenty two million is

704
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 5: just a drop in the budget. That's what's a drop

705
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 5: in the bucket. And that that's what's so funny about this.

706
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 5: There are programs in every branch of our military, in

707
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 5: every intelligence agency. I can tell you that with definitive fact.

708
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 5: So this little tiny drop is part of an ocean

709
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 5: of financing that goes towards trying to understand these fierce technologies.

710
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 3: Got you, so, I guess I just have I have

711
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 3: worries about it being some kind of disinformation or counterintelligence

712
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: program to cover up just advanced testing, because you know,

713
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,359
Speaker 3: it's that whole I want to believe thing. I am

714
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: nervous that maybe somebody is pulling my leg, even all

715
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 3: the way up to the Harry Reids, just so that

716
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 3: something else can be covered up.

717
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 5: Well, that would be fantastic, I mean, that would be

718
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 5: a wild truth if that were indeed the case, and

719
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 5: we always do need to look at that, because our

720
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 5: government historically has been really good at saying, look at

721
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 5: the left hand when I'm doing something with the right hand.

722
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 5: But indeed, these are This is not a smoke screen

723
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 5: to the best of my knowledge. I mean, these are

724
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 5: things being observed by trained fighter pilots, by witnesses all

725
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: around the world for centuries, and so this phenomenon is real.

726
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 5: We might not understand it deeply from a government level,

727
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: but they do want to know as much as they can.

728
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 5: It is outside the scope of my imagination. Essentially telling

729
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 5: the public that these things are happening is somehow going

730
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 5: to benefit the budget or benefit the you know, the

731
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 5: needs of the government. I think the people that have

732
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 5: come forward are just like you and me. They believe

733
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:46,920
Speaker 5: this is worthy of proper investigation and that the American

734
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 5: public should know.

735
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: Well said, Well said Jeremy. This brings us to.

736
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: Another question that we always want to include when we're

737
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: talking about unfolding events, and this can go wherever you

738
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: see fit. What do you see as the near or

739
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 2: mid future? I guess consequences might be too strong a word,

740
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 2: but the results are the ripples of this announcement.

741
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: Well, I think it's going to be followed up. And

742
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 5: I think that if we can get to the point

743
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 5: where the public really understands, I mean, gosh, the public

744
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 5: was so interested when that New York Times article came out.

745
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 5: I mean it just blasted off. This is a topic everybody.

746
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 5: If you have a curious bone in your body, you

747
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 5: have to be interested in this. It's just a matter

748
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 5: of the devils and the details, really trying to read

749
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 5: and see what's going on. I think that once alloys

750
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 5: are presented to the public that are clearly not made

751
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 5: by human hand because of the perfect atomic layering of

752
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 5: elements that should not be able to be fused together,

753
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 5: and the properties of these alloys how they interact with

754
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 5: our known physics in slightly different ways, if that is shown,

755
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: if that is shown in a big way through major media,

756
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 5: you will have to ask yourself who made these alloys.

757
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 5: So I think slowly and over time. Remember, we're being

758
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 5: promised more videos by the Tom DeLong conglomerate of really

759
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 5: incredible intelligence and aviation people and CIA people that kind

760
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 5: of thing, that there are more videos. The third one

761
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 5: is promised. I happen to know that there are a

762
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,759
Speaker 5: lot more videos that were unclassified. So the question is

763
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 5: what is the public going to be exposed to slowly

764
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: and what will the questions be? What will the public ask?

765
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 5: And asking the right question that I have learned through

766
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 5: this type of work is the most important. So in

767
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 5: the near future, I think it's just getting the public

768
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 5: to ask the right questions in a big way, and

769
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 5: it's going to take a drip by drip more information

770
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 5: coming out to get us.

771
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 6: I have one last serious question. Are these videos going

772
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 6: to be lost? Blank? Onenity two videos?

773
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 5: You'd hope right?

774
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: Blank?

775
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 6: Money is on the sneeze. I do hear that he

776
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 6: is doing interesting things.

777
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 1: With his fortune and the Stars Academy. Yeah, I think

778
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 1: that's really fascinating.

779
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 6: I'm being a jerk, but I think it's really interesting

780
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 6: that he's taking that money and like trying to do

781
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 6: something interesting with Oh.

782
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he is working with us. As we said,

783
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 2: established government figures, many many retired, but you know, legit

784
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 2: intelligence agency, defense folks like Chris Mellon for instance.

785
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: I believe he's working with him. Is that correct?

786
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 5: Well, let's just clarify here. So Tom DeLong Blink twenty

787
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: two got together a group of government officials who are

788
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 5: all on the same page and scientists to try to

789
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 5: one get more information out, like lou Elizondo who's on

790
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 5: his board, did get up to videos so far declassified

791
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: to us. So, you know, yeah, for Tom, I'm rooting

792
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 5: for Tom. Has nothing to do with his music or

793
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 5: anything like that, just as an individual trying to move

794
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 5: the needle forward. He has successfully done that and hopefully

795
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,799
Speaker 5: will continue doing that. Of course, there are other aspects

796
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 5: to his project, which is, you know, the promise through funded,

797
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 5: you know, through through money from you know, from people,

798
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 5: through crowdfunding to try to emulate or simulate or make

799
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,759
Speaker 5: you know, some of these technologies actually function, and you know,

800
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: I don't know about that. I don't know if that's

801
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 5: going to work. I don't know the implications of that.

802
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of skepticism on that. But

803
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 5: I think what he has done is heroic. I think

804
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 5: he pulled together a good group of people, put it

805
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 5: in the forefront, used his name in his space as

806
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 5: his passport to get more information out, and I applaud

807
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 5: him for that. So I think we just need to

808
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 5: separate that from the other endeavors of his group. Let's

809
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 5: look at what he has done so yeah, I applaud

810
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 5: him for that. Again, we are all cogs in a

811
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 5: much bigger wheel. The big news flash here is if

812
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:08,240
Speaker 5: we're being visited by technologies and craft of unknown origin

813
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 5: not made here on Earth, who is piloting these and

814
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 5: what is their intention? That's the big question.

815
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 1: And then I would I would only add to that

816
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: to what end. Oh, I mean.

817
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: It's a serious that's a serious concern because, as human

818
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 2: history at least has taught us, typically when one civilization

819
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 2: with technological advantage or superiority meets another civilization, things do

820
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: not end well. And if we are in a case

821
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 2: where where there would be some sort of contact from

822
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 2: beyond our terrestrial plane, we can only hope that this

823
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: would not follow the precedence set by humanity.

824
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 5: Right. So this is, in fact where it gets weird.

825
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 5: I have a little theory that I call the clock

826
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 5: clockwork orange, and it's the basic theory that we may

827
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 5: not be witnessing just beings from other star systems engaging

828
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 5: humanity with craft that appear to be UFOs, but in

829
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 5: fact we may be experiencing an AI or some sort

830
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 5: of artificial intelligence that is giving us a learning program

831
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 5: over time to acclimate us to the ideas of high technology,

832
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 5: because if you look through UFO accounts all throughout the centuries,

833
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 5: you'll see that what people are engaging and seeing goes

834
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: far beyond just craft in the sky or lights in

835
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 5: the sky. But in fact, there are much more complex

836
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 5: interactions that humans have from information to technology that's just

837
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 5: beyond the cusp of what we have at the time.

838
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 5: So this information is changing over the centuries, and I

839
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 5: think that we may be interacting with something far stranger

840
00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 5: than just being from another planet, other people from another planet.

841
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: Well said, and speaking of stranger things, not the Netflix show, folks,

842
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: but speaking of a stranger stranger subjects and topics. There

843
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 2: is something that we wanted to bring up. We would

844
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 2: be remiss if we didn't mention this or explore it

845
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,919
Speaker 2: at some point in our time with you today. And Matt,

846
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 2: i'd like to pass the honors to you in this regard.

847
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, you mentioned a name that just kind of got

848
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 3: peppered in as we've been talking. Bob Lazar. This is

849
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: a This is a physicist who was working at several

850
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 3: laboratories at least I have to say allegedly here because

851
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: you're you have you're taking Bob Lazar's word over you know,

852
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:53,840
Speaker 3: other other people's. But he worked, amongst other places, Area

853
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 3: fifty one, according to him, and he was witnessed to

854
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that we've been talking about today,

855
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 3: other alien you know, alien craft, alloys, medals, this kind

856
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 3: of thing, and you you got to talk to him.

857
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, in fact, you know, after many years, this is

858
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 5: always the kind of a dream of mine. After many

859
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 5: years of time knowing Bob, becoming friends, we have had

860
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 5: the chance to go really deep into this and eventually

861
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 5: he said, let's you know, let's do it. You're right,

862
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 5: people have twisted my story. So just to get people

863
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 5: up today, Bob Lazar is the most important and key

864
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 5: individual in the whole UFO history and more. He has

865
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 5: certainly influenced the UFO culture, you know, with his story,

866
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 5: more than any one particular individual. And he wants you

867
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Speaker 5: to put the word allegedly in front of anything you

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00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 5: say about him, because he wants you to use your brain.

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00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 5: He is giving you his story and telling you that

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00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: you should decide if what he's telling is true. Now,

871
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 5: after thirty years telling his story and not changing it,

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00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 5: we now have a different lens in order to look

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00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 5: at this story, and that's what I've been doing. I've

874
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 5: been contacting witnesses that have never been contacted. I've been

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00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 5: talking with Bob and getting him to go on film

876
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,400
Speaker 5: about things he's never been able to or never talked about.

877
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,040
Speaker 5: So the basic story is that Bob says he's studied

878
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 5: alien propulsion an alien propulsion system for the US military

879
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,799
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty nine, and he came forward on the

880
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 5: news with George Knapp and told everybody about it. Eric

881
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 5: fifty one flying sausage from another world and a program

882
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 5: to create Apiar's technology. That is Bob's claim, and this

883
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 5: is where we stand now. He's really pretty much remained silent.

884
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 5: Nothing from the UFO world has ever done anything good

885
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 5: for his life. And you only know that when you

886
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: get closer to Boba as a person, to see who

887
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 5: he is, what his character is, and how it really

888
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 5: has negatively influences, like just telling his story. That will

889
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 5: be up to you to judge based on the evidence

890
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 5: and based on getting to know him personally through the film,

891
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: if you believe Bob Blazaar and his story. But the

892
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: big question is if Bob is telling us the truth,

893
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 5: then what And so that's what I hope to address

894
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 5: in this film. Bob claims he worked at a sub

895
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 5: base of Area fifty one called S four in nineteen

896
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 5: eighty nine. There was a place with nine hangars and

897
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 5: nine flying saucer type craft. He was able to work

898
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 5: on one and its propulsion system, which operated allegedly off

899
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 5: of element one point fifteen, a stabilized version where they

900
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 5: had a nice tipe that stabilized it. And he said,

901
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 5: gravity is a wave and it works off gravity amplification.

902
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 5: The most interesting thing this weaponized my curiosity the way

903
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 5: that this propulsion worked, because it's not really propulsion. You

904
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 5: don't put thrust out the back. You distort time space

905
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:07,759
Speaker 5: by amplifying a gravituate and fall instantly in little jumps

906
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 5: into a place, so you don't need to travel fast

907
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 5: than the speed of light. So his claims are that

908
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 5: he worked on trying to understand this system for our government,

909
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 5: and he actually got to see allegedly the inside of

910
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 5: what he called the sports Model, which was a really

911
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 5: sleek looking UFO, and he said it was ominous.

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00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: Wow.

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00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately, I think we're running out of time, guys,

914
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 3: so we really we're gonna have to just go on

915
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: our own and learn more about this in our own journeys.

916
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: Is where's the best place to go and find your films?

917
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 3: For anybody listening.

918
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 5: All of my films can be found at Extraordinary Beliefs

919
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 5: dot com. Currently, my film Patient seventeen is available on

920
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 5: Netflix as well as iTunes and Amazon Xbox all that stuff.

921
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 5: What I encourage everybody to do is go deep into

922
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 5: the Bob Blazar story. Now type it in, ask your

923
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 5: Google Voice device who is Bob Blazar and just start

924
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 5: looking into it because I will be putting out the

925
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 5: definitive documentary on his story and life within the year

926
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,799
Speaker 5: of twenty eighteen. Towards the end of it, a lot

927
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 5: will be revealed, So go research, catch up and hopefully

928
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 5: we can touch base right before that film drops to

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00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 5: the public.

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Speaker 6: And also just for listeners, there are two great articles

931
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Speaker 6: about the main stuff we were talking about today with

932
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,959
Speaker 6: this government program. There is one on the New York Times,

933
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 6: as we mentioned, and then there was one in Politico

934
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 6: that I think we talked about as well. You had

935
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 6: something to do with the political piece, did you say?

936
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 5: No, I was able to know about what was going on.

937
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 5: I had been studying the Tiktak case for two years,

938
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 5: so it's intimately involved in knowing how this is going

939
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 5: to play out to the public, which is not really important.

940
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 5: It's just kind of cool that I could see it

941
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 5: from both sides.

942
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,879
Speaker 6: Absolutely, It's also interesting to read these stories from these,

943
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 6: you know, very prestigious news or organizations and to see

944
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 6: the way they handle stuff that you don't typically see

945
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 6: dealt with by organizations like this. So it's pretty it's

946
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 6: pretty interesting in illuminating.

947
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:12,719
Speaker 2: Especially when it turned into The New York Times had

948
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: a follow up article where they did one of my

949
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:19,840
Speaker 2: favorite moves that happens often in journalism. They started reporting

950
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,720
Speaker 2: on how they reported this story. Oh yeah, so not

951
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 2: the actual story itself.

952
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 6: And then a portal of dark matter opened up and

953
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 6: swallowed the entire New York Times.

954
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: Hey, by the way, speaking of Netflix, have you guys

955
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 3: seen the clor Field Paradox yet?

956
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: Not good?

957
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 2: Oh, haven't seen it yet, but it's a hot take.

958
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: Haven't seen it yet. We've heard about it.

959
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,600
Speaker 2: But while you're on Netflix, you can, as we mentioned,

960
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: check out Patient seventeen. You can also check out our

961
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 2: earlier episode on Implants with Jeremy and that was a

962
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:00,000
Speaker 2: first time we had you on the show, and just

963
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 2: like we said then, we greatly appreciate your time. Thank

964
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,040
Speaker 2: you so much for coming on and giving our friends

965
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 2: and neighbors listeners in the audience conspiracy realist a peek

966
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 2: behind the curtain. And I'm really glad that you said.

967
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: I'm really glad that you encourage people to dive into

968
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 2: this on their own. When can they expect to see

969
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 2: the next film on Bob Blazar?

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00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:27,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, so the Bob Blazar film will come out at

971
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 5: the end of twenty eighteen, but I will have one

972
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 5: coming out before and that will be the one on

973
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 5: Skinwalker Ranch. And so look for my films this year. Absolutely,

974
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 5: and thanks gentlemen for having me on. You certainly do

975
00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,320
Speaker 5: provide a show telling people and giving people information on

976
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 5: stuff they don't want you to know, and I really

977
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 5: appreciate that you do this. So thanks for having me

978
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 5: on and just great work.

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Speaker 6: A pleasure.

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Speaker 3: We'll see you again soon, Sir Jeremy Corbel.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.

982
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