Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. In this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: He can fly a commercial airliner, he can run a marathon,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, the brother King find love. Welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy DJ. Yes, Robes, Now those things.
Speaker 1: I listed a lot of people who are certainly fans
Speaker 1: of the Bachelor. Bachelor Nation folks will immediately know who
Speaker 1: we're talking about. But before we get into Piley, Pete,
Speaker 1: what do you think about that idea? The idea of
Speaker 1: flying a commercial airliner is wild to me and for
Speaker 1: most people they think that running a marathon is impossible.
Speaker 1: Finding love? What has been the most difficult for you?
Speaker 2: Wow, you really know how to tee it up. That
Speaker 2: is a tough question. Are you a journalist? Yes, that
Speaker 2: I think is the hardest of the three. I really
Speaker 2: actually do think that really well. I do think my
Speaker 2: parents will tell you they got lucky in love, and
Speaker 2: I do think some people do, and kudos to them.
Speaker 2: But I think for a lot of us that it
Speaker 2: might be the hardest thing. I figured out my career
Speaker 2: pretty quickly. I fell in love. I actually feel like
Speaker 2: climbing mountains and running marathons is far easier than navigating
Speaker 2: a lasting and true relationship really nice. I do think that.
Speaker 1: So it's not just the finding of the love, it's
Speaker 1: the maintaining of the relationship that's the difficult part.
Speaker 2: I think we can all find love in the honeymoon
Speaker 2: phase of things, things great. Aren't all of those habits
Speaker 2: just sweet and cute and not annoying? And then time
Speaker 2: starts to weigh on you and things get i don't know,
Speaker 2: uninteresting or not exciting, and things actually become serious. And
Speaker 2: that's the hardest part of it, right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But I've only been a relationship with you for two
Speaker 1: years now. It sounds like you expect a very short
Speaker 1: honeymoon period.
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, but it is inevitable, just like death,
Speaker 2: and just like taxes, that kind of intensity cannot last.
Speaker 2: And I think we all get hooked on the excitement
Speaker 2: and the feeling of it. But the actuality of a
Speaker 2: relationship that last, a partnership that lasts, isn't that the
Speaker 2: hardest thing to find?
Speaker 1: And with that, Peter wanh wah wah, I mean, what
Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think I think Peter feels validated, validate all right,
Speaker 2: Peter Webber in the studio, my man, good to have you.
Speaker 1: Of course, uh, pilot Pete as he's been known as
Speaker 1: for so long, but of course a big, big part
Speaker 1: of Bachelor Nation for so many years. And yes, an
Speaker 1: actual pilot who is still flying planes. He might be
Speaker 1: you might hear his voice at some point on one
Speaker 1: of your planes. That is actually possible. He's also running
Speaker 1: the New York City Marathon, his second one, that's coming
Speaker 1: up here in a couple of days. My man, good
Speaker 1: to have you a studio. How are you brother so much?
Speaker 3: Yes, it's good to be here. I'm excited. It's fun.
Speaker 3: If you guys have any love advice, I could definitely.
Speaker 2: Use it, because, oh you want advice from us?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would love it what you guys got.
Speaker 4: Actually, oh, I will say, Oh, no, I will. I
Speaker 4: will say I have fallen in love and my first
Speaker 4: love was fine. I'll be oh, yeah, I was lucky
Speaker 4: to find it from a very early age. You know,
Speaker 4: the love with another person. The aspects still work on that.
Speaker 2: But do you think it's so funny you say that
Speaker 2: because I have actually said the same thing. I fell
Speaker 2: in love with my career. I loved my job. I
Speaker 2: loved what I did in a way it allowed me
Speaker 2: to have relationships that didn't need to rise to that
Speaker 2: same intensity because I had that isn't that isn't that.
Speaker 2: I know, I've done some major therapy and some analyzing
Speaker 2: of myself, But I wonder if you compare the feeling
Speaker 2: that you get from flying and the feeling you get
Speaker 2: from your career to what you may expect from someone
Speaker 2: in a relationship, and if that is attainable.
Speaker 4: That's a great question. I mean, yeah, I would definitely
Speaker 4: say that I feel.
Speaker 3: I really do.
Speaker 4: I feel extremely fulfilled from what I do and from
Speaker 4: flying and just the passion that I feel that's been
Speaker 4: instant for me from you know, the first day that
Speaker 4: I saw an airplane and going on my dad's first flight.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's actually kind of interesting because you
Speaker 4: guys are just talking about the honeymoon phase and it
Speaker 4: kind of like fading out naturally. And I've you know,
Speaker 4: obviously I've had relationships in the past, and I know
Speaker 4: what you're talking about with that. But one really cool
Speaker 4: thing about my career and I tell people this all
Speaker 4: the time, and I think why, I just am so
Speaker 4: in love with it and who knows. Now, now you're
Speaker 4: getting me to think, really like, maybe this is my
Speaker 4: struggle and why I'm comparing too much the love I
Speaker 4: feel for flying in my career so with another person.
Speaker 4: But when I'm flying, every single time I take a runway,
Speaker 4: I swear to God and I put my hands on
Speaker 4: the throttle when we get our takeoff clearance, and I
Speaker 4: feel that power go up and the throttles go up,
Speaker 4: and you just feel the roar of the engines. It
Speaker 4: is a high that never diminishes, and it's the exact
Speaker 4: same high every single time. There is no honeymoon phase
Speaker 4: that like has ever ended for me, and you know,
Speaker 4: throughout the flight there's just amazing you know, sequences and
Speaker 4: the approaches and the landings. It's actually interesting how to think.
Speaker 4: I am so used to the honeymoon phase, not ever
Speaker 4: fading with that. And it's different though with a you know,
Speaker 4: a personal relationship.
Speaker 2: You know what's interesting, Pete, I just heard you describe
Speaker 2: everything that was in you your control. It was in
Speaker 2: your hands, and when you're in love or you actually
Speaker 2: are vulnerable, you have no control. And maybe that's what's scary.
Speaker 2: I don't know why too deep.
Speaker 3: This is groundbreaking here.
Speaker 1: I know we're going to get here at this and
Speaker 1: you didn't know you were being charged three to fifteen
Speaker 1: hour for this.
Speaker 3: This is some good advice. No, but you know what,
Speaker 3: that's a good point though, not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but do you make And she's always made this
Speaker 1: point about folks in our industry in journalism, like you're
Speaker 1: chasing some type of high a thrill and if you
Speaker 1: get it here and this other thing doesn't live up
Speaker 1: to that in some way. So what is your expect
Speaker 1: How have you found in your relationship then that honeymoon phase,
Speaker 1: the hand on the throttle, that rush, that that never
Speaker 1: goes away there in your experience? How how long has
Speaker 1: it taken for it to go away in your personal relationships?
Speaker 4: Really, I would say probably, I don't know, probably around
Speaker 4: that that year year and a half I think naturally
Speaker 4: for me is one I've I've kind of noticed that.
Speaker 4: But again, I'll be honest that, you know, maybe this
Speaker 4: is just a fault of my own, but I haven't
Speaker 4: really had too many relationships that have gone past that.
Speaker 4: Like I would say my longest relationship with ever having
Speaker 4: a break or a split has maybe been a year
Speaker 4: and a half, like approaching two years. Not necessarily something
Speaker 4: like I'm proud of it. That's just like the truth
Speaker 4: and don't I guess really know exactly why that is.
Speaker 4: But you really do have my wheels turning here because
Speaker 4: I think maybe that's some internal work that I could
Speaker 4: do on myself, and no, seriously apply that to my life,
Speaker 4: because I think, yeah, maybe I have expectations that aren't
Speaker 4: necessarily obtainable, and maybe that comes from a place weird enough,
Speaker 4: from a career.
Speaker 1: A lot of people can't see, but they can't see
Speaker 1: you right now. Your wheels are spinning. I can see it.
Speaker 1: Everybody in this room can see. Oh yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: kidding this. Yeah, your wheels are spinning. As your wheels
Speaker 1: are spinning. Is it possible to go back and now
Speaker 1: look at those relationships you're on the spot here, some
Speaker 1: previous relationships through a different lens. Is there any chance
Speaker 1: that some of those previous relationships could have another shot
Speaker 1: if you started to look at and think about those
Speaker 1: relationships differently.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't.
Speaker 2: Think that's a good answer. That's a good answer for me.
Speaker 3: The ones that have ended, those are done.
Speaker 4: But I can definitely take this moving forward and just
Speaker 4: you know, keep that mindset and keep it in the
Speaker 4: back of my head for sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, not looking back.
Speaker 2: And you're all just want to make it clear. You're
Speaker 2: talking to two people who have four divorces between them,
Speaker 2: so we know what it's like to have believed and
Speaker 2: then realized and then made a mistake and had to
Speaker 2: own up to it and then say, what can I
Speaker 2: learn from it? I actually am somebody who believes that
Speaker 2: there is no thing there's no such thing as a mistake,
Speaker 2: because if you learn something from it, you could apply
Speaker 2: it to the next phase of your life. Then that's
Speaker 2: what needed to happen, because you were on a different
Speaker 2: playing field than maybe someone else.
Speaker 3: Is necessary you could be.
Speaker 2: And I do, like we do, relate to loving a
Speaker 2: career and to finding your passion there and then comparing
Speaker 2: everything else to it. And actually, but I believed at
Speaker 2: a certain point that nothing else could live up to it.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious, what are you looking for when you're
Speaker 2: looking for love? Like what would be? Could you describe
Speaker 2: the perfect mate?
Speaker 4: M That's a great question, you know, actually, real quick
Speaker 4: you just had me thinking here something also with with
Speaker 4: you know, my career and relationships too, And I think
Speaker 4: the expectations I've kind of put on myself, I've also
Speaker 4: like compared myself with also you know, lots of my parents,
Speaker 4: my parents being a pilot flight attendant, having that.
Speaker 3: Relationship and the way that all grew up.
Speaker 4: I've almost like wanted to like kind of mirror that
Speaker 4: in a way, and I like thought, just like the
Speaker 4: world of it, and you know, what a beautiful story
Speaker 4: and all that, And I think, maybe you know, that's
Speaker 4: some pressure I've put on myself that you know wasn't
Speaker 4: necessarily fair. But you know, in regards to what I'm
Speaker 4: looking for with someone, honestly, the biggest thing is someone
Speaker 4: that I could just be completely one hundred percent comfortable
Speaker 4: in myself with and someone that I can have fun with,
Speaker 4: someone that I you know, obviously they share the same
Speaker 4: values and you know, a lot of the same beliefs
Speaker 4: and all that. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: it's it's not not this crazy answer that I have
Speaker 4: like fabricated in my mind.
Speaker 3: Just like that that level of peace that you get.
Speaker 4: From another human being and that comfort and just being
Speaker 4: able to wake up every single day and just be
Speaker 4: so grateful and thankful to have them in your lives.
Speaker 4: Just looking for that feeling and I and I'm confident
Speaker 4: and I know that I'll find it, and I'm never
Speaker 4: gonna like rush it or pressure that at all. But
Speaker 4: I think if they're if I you know, obviously we
Speaker 4: all have flaws. I definitely think a flaw of mind
Speaker 4: could be relinquishing that that sense of control. I've always
Speaker 4: you know, felt that obviously being a captain for an airliner,
Speaker 4: everything's in your hands and like you make all the calls. Obviously,
Speaker 4: crew resource management, working with your team is is important,
Speaker 4: and you know no one person is perfect all the time.
Speaker 3: You need to rely on people.
Speaker 4: But relinquishing that control and not feeling that need is
Speaker 4: definitely I think something that could apply in my personal
Speaker 4: life with relationships and something I could work on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the idea of finding love
Speaker 1: on a reality show?
Speaker 3: Well, you want to know why I did it the
Speaker 3: first time? Sure, for the first time, I.
Speaker 2: Guess we love to know you did it twice? Right?
Speaker 3: Or yeah I did that?
Speaker 4: Yeah, technically two shows, but I remember so I had
Speaker 4: seen an episode or a season.
Speaker 3: Actually, it's funny going back to career.
Speaker 4: My freshman year of college at Baylor University, and I
Speaker 4: me and my roommate we had just made friends with
Speaker 4: these two girls who were really like, you know, Bachelor
Speaker 4: Nation really into the show. And Jake Pavelka, he's an
Speaker 4: airline pilot ten years prior to when I was gonna
Speaker 4: then do it, you know, ten years later, his season
Speaker 4: was airing, and so they had invited us over to
Speaker 4: watch the season with them. We do every Monday night
Speaker 4: in the dorm rooms watching the whole season, and I
Speaker 4: thought it was so cool. This guy's like living my dream.
Speaker 4: He's an airline pilot and he's on the Bachelor. I've
Speaker 4: never seen this show and I get introduced to it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my god, that's so freaking cool. Never
Speaker 4: in a million years thought that would be me ten
Speaker 4: years later, but it was a really cool introduction. And
Speaker 4: then I think I was like twenty six. Twenty seven
Speaker 4: is when I had gotten like a DM from a
Speaker 4: producer for the show to like apply, and it kind
Speaker 4: of just like went with it. I'd just gotten out
Speaker 4: of a relationship and I'm like, all, this could be
Speaker 4: kind of perfect time. And the main reason though that
Speaker 4: I decided to say yes and I wanted.
Speaker 3: To do it.
Speaker 4: This may sound crazy, but I just thought that it
Speaker 4: would have been such a like obviously reality TV can
Speaker 4: be odd and can be tough, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of behind the scenes stuff that maybe isn't super super
Speaker 4: organic like a normal relationship. But I thought, how cool
Speaker 4: would be Like the hopeless romantic to me was like,
Speaker 4: how cool it be to have your love story? Hopefully
Speaker 4: it works out and it's successful, but if it is,
Speaker 4: how cool would it be to have that entire story
Speaker 4: documented and now have for you know, long after I'm
Speaker 4: gone and generations way after me and everything be able
Speaker 4: to look back and watch that love story, how it developed,
Speaker 4: how it progressed, and what it became from that one moment,
Speaker 4: and you know, all the generations after me could be
Speaker 4: able to like enjoy that and appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That's really sweet.
Speaker 3: It didn't happen.
Speaker 2: You did it for the grandkids that never happened.
Speaker 4: I kind of thought it'd be something cool to do,
Speaker 4: and yeah, sweet, that was That was honestly the main reason.
Speaker 4: It's not like I was like completely convinced of his
Speaker 4: reality TV that's how it's gonna find my person. But
Speaker 4: I'm like, that's a really unique kind of cool opportunity,
Speaker 4: and I wanted to take advantage of it.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, and I'm you sound like you're really good
Speaker 2: at giving honest answers. So I love this knowing what
Speaker 2: you know now. You did it twice. You saw the good,
Speaker 2: the bad, all the headlines, all the fodder. People love
Speaker 2: when you put yourself out there to take their shots
Speaker 2: and have their opinions, and they're not always nice or kind.
Speaker 2: Would you do it again?
Speaker 4: I like, meaning like currently another season in the future now, No.
Speaker 2: If you could go back, would you enter and be
Speaker 2: a bachelor, be a bachelorette contestant, and then be the bachelor?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, why I would go back. I wouldn't do
Speaker 3: anything moving forward.
Speaker 4: I won't do any like love type reality show moving forward,
Speaker 4: but just going back if I could, if I had
Speaker 4: my entire memory or race of what it happened or
Speaker 4: everything and the outcome. I'm just the eternal optimist kind
Speaker 4: of person and always just expecting the best thing to
Speaker 4: happen tomorrow kind of thing. And so if I would
Speaker 4: have gotten that opportunity to present it to me again
Speaker 4: with never having done it one hundred percent, I would
Speaker 4: have jumped on it just the excitement and I just
Speaker 4: would have been convinced that this is gonna work for me,
Speaker 4: and I can't wait. It's gonna be the adventure of
Speaker 4: a lifetime type of thing. And I'm never scared of
Speaker 4: putting myself out there and taking chances, and I never
Speaker 4: will be. So Yeah, I definitely would do it again
Speaker 4: if I had the opportunity.
Speaker 2: Is reality TV reality.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get me in trouble here? I mean, it is,
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 4: There's Listen, there's obviously a certain level of production that
Speaker 4: goes into it, and that's just the nature of the
Speaker 4: show and being produced and all that. But no, for truly,
Speaker 4: like there is, I can't put any type of blame
Speaker 4: or anything on anyone for how stuff may or may
Speaker 4: not have happened. You know, I'm insanely grateful for, honestly,
Speaker 4: the whole experience, the good and the bad and the bad. Honestly,
Speaker 4: maybe even more than the good, I'm grateful for just
Speaker 4: because I think the strength that I've gained from that,
Speaker 4: the growth that I've been able to gain from that.
Speaker 4: I think one of the biggest things for me going
Speaker 4: into the show that I didn't really realize it was
Speaker 4: like the biggest just mirror for me and like reflection
Speaker 4: point was I was such a people pleaser going in
Speaker 4: and I don't think I really understood it until kind
Speaker 4: of like the end of this whole part of my
Speaker 4: life you know, came to be. But it like it
Speaker 4: was just insanely just draining and exhausting and like just
Speaker 4: definitely like was a wake up call for me that
Speaker 4: I you know, you got to be able to say, now,
Speaker 4: you got to be able to like really just you know,
Speaker 4: do put yourself first in a lot of these situations
Speaker 4: and and and not just people please so much. That
Speaker 4: was like probably the biggest, biggest piece of growth that
Speaker 4: I took from the entire thing.
Speaker 1: You talked about the reasons you've signed up for the show,
Speaker 1: but in your experience, I know you talk to plenty
Speaker 1: of people who've been on the show, not just your seasons. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you are certainly a community. What what are some of
Speaker 1: their reasons are?
Speaker 3: Are?
Speaker 1: What are the reasons sometimes people go on shows because
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem to be authenticicularly trying to find love,
Speaker 1: that it's an opportunity. Now, I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: people jump around. I can't believe I'm watching love al
Speaker 1: and this dude was on that show, and this girl
Speaker 1: was on that show, and you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it's almost a career for some of these folks.
Speaker 1: So what what were some of them? I'm curious as
Speaker 1: an insider, what are some of the reasons you heard
Speaker 1: for why people were there?
Speaker 4: I mean, you're, yeah, you're, you're, you're spot on For
Speaker 4: me specifically, obviously it was it wasn't the career move.
Speaker 3: I was never gonna leave flying. It was just going
Speaker 3: to be an addition.
Speaker 4: But a lot of people they were cool leaving their job,
Speaker 4: and they were cool seeing where this jump and this
Speaker 4: leap of faith would kind of take them. Hopefully, maybe
Speaker 4: it would work out in a lasting relationship and you know,
Speaker 4: everlasting happiness with your person. But if it didn't, obviously,
Speaker 4: you know, the benefits and the rewards that can kind
Speaker 4: of come from putting yourself out there on reality TV
Speaker 4: and the opportunities that come about are are pretty incredible
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: Doesn't it feel like that now? It seems like everybody's
Speaker 1: there for themselves and an opportunity versus love. I'll root
Speaker 1: for love all day long, but I'm watching these shows
Speaker 1: and really, folks don't seem to be in it for
Speaker 1: that reason.
Speaker 3: I wish. I wish social media.
Speaker 4: I know, I think social media kind of ruined it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: if I'm just being one hundred percent honest, it definitely
Speaker 4: I think was a lot more authentic before this whole thing,
Speaker 4: you know, the whole influencer world, and it's great, and
Speaker 4: you know a lot of people are very successful on it,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'd partake in that as well, you know,
Speaker 4: kind of like as a side hustle. But unfortunately, I
Speaker 4: don't think it's possible to. I think we're just too
Speaker 4: far down in the whole social media out in the
Speaker 4: rabbit hole to kind of ever get back to true
Speaker 4: authentic just looking purely for love and no other ulterior motives.
Speaker 1: And instead at the beginning here how difficult it is. Right,
Speaker 1: you can fly a commercial airliner, you can run a marathon,
Speaker 1: but the love might be the hardest. But still go
Speaker 1: for me and explain just how hard is it to
Speaker 1: run a marathon.
Speaker 3: It's very hard, extremely hard.
Speaker 4: I ran my first marathon three years ago when I
Speaker 4: first moved to the city, and I've never been a runner.
Speaker 4: Like before I've moved to the city, I was never
Speaker 4: a runner. I you know, swim in high school. I
Speaker 4: was probably the best sport. Football is my favorite. That
Speaker 4: was what I enjoyed the most, but it was never
Speaker 4: really into like long distance running. And so I moved
Speaker 4: to the city looking for friends. I know too many
Speaker 4: people here and one of the guys became my first,
Speaker 4: one of my good friends. He had challenged I'm very competitive, right,
Speaker 4: and so he had challenged me to America. He's a firefighter,
Speaker 4: and he had challenged me to a race, and I
Speaker 4: was like, Okay, hell yeah, I can do that, for sure,
Speaker 4: You're on. Meanwhile, I wasn't training at all. I took
Speaker 4: this on this bet, and I just said, I'm going
Speaker 4: to show up race day.
Speaker 2: Wait, I'm sorry. What can you explain for those of
Speaker 2: us who spend five months training and sometimes still don't
Speaker 2: complete marathons? How what was your plan? What did you think?
Speaker 3: I didn't have a plan?
Speaker 1: You show uperic.
Speaker 4: I literally showed up, and my friends like they the
Speaker 4: entire time, they thought, there's no way in hell I'm
Speaker 4: going to finish this. We went to carblow the day
Speaker 4: before at this Italian restaurant, and then we went back
Speaker 4: to my apartment and they showed They put on an
Speaker 4: episode of How I Met You Mother, and it's the
Speaker 4: episode with Barney when he takes the bib over from Marshall,
Speaker 4: I believe right, because he gets hurt and so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'll take the bid, like I'll go run it with
Speaker 4: no training whatsoever, just like mister confident. And then he
Speaker 4: runs the entire marathon and he's just plugging along and
Speaker 4: everyone's like, in disbelieve, how's this guy doing it? And
Speaker 4: then the end of the episode is he's on the
Speaker 4: subway and sitting down. He tries to get up to
Speaker 4: get off at his stop and he just falls over.
Speaker 4: Working like that's gonna be you tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And and that was me the next.
Speaker 2: So what was your first marathon? First? Let me ask
Speaker 2: you this. What was the farthest you had run before
Speaker 2: you ran the marathon.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna believe this.
Speaker 4: Three weeks out, I will say I did some training.
Speaker 4: Three weeks out from the marathon, I was like, I
Speaker 4: have to do something, and so I got out of
Speaker 4: my apartment. I was living in Midtown East and I
Speaker 4: ran down the East Side on the river there and
Speaker 4: I ran, I was gonna run six miles total, and
Speaker 4: I was gonna go from my apartment near the United
Speaker 4: Nations down to one.
Speaker 3: Of the bridges back.
Speaker 4: It was about six miles and I get down to
Speaker 4: the bridge and I am just gassed, and I'm like.
Speaker 2: This is I kidd six miles you were guessed?
Speaker 3: No, that was three miles, because it was six miles
Speaker 3: round trip. Three miles you were got And I like,
Speaker 3: how to stop?
Speaker 4: I remember I sat down on a bench. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this is not good. This is really not good. And
Speaker 4: so I sat for like ten minutes and then I
Speaker 4: pushed myself to go back three miles. And that was
Speaker 4: the only prep I did for the entire New York
Speaker 4: City marathon.
Speaker 2: Okay, jaws are both completely dropped, because, first of all,
Speaker 2: anyone who's runner knows it's not like riding a bike.
Speaker 2: You can't just pick it back up. Even if you
Speaker 2: have run a marathon before, it doesn't mean two years
Speaker 2: from now or a year later you could actually do
Speaker 2: it again. We all know this is something that requires
Speaker 2: like NonStop training. So you had a difficult time with
Speaker 2: three miles. What was marathon day like, twenty twenty one?
Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean this is just you guys are
Speaker 4: just gonna like think this is ridiculous. But so I
Speaker 4: show up again, I have no idea what I'm doing,
Speaker 4: no prep don't even have the proper shoes.
Speaker 3: I didn't even have running shoes.
Speaker 2: Wait, what shoes did you have?
Speaker 3: I know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It was Nike like trainer shoes, like lifting shoes. I
Speaker 4: swear when I say I was so unprepared, I was
Speaker 4: that unprepared.
Speaker 1: And I was to trust him to my plane.
Speaker 3: I had no idea what I was getting in. I
Speaker 3: truly had no idea.
Speaker 2: It was the confidence of only a pilot. That's what
Speaker 2: I would say.
Speaker 4: So what happened, and there's a great ending to this
Speaker 4: whole story, But truly, I'm so grateful for everything, how
Speaker 4: it happened. So I remember taking off. You know we're starting.
Speaker 4: We're going over the Arizona Bridge.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, high on life. This is insane.
Speaker 2: I can't believe you're there.
Speaker 3: I feel so good. I'm like, oh, this is gonna
Speaker 3: be so easy.
Speaker 4: Why was everyone so worried about taking pictures? Like look
Speaker 4: with the Freedom's Hower in the background. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 4: was incredible.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And then even when my buddies so we'd all started,
Speaker 4: He's like, dude, calm down, slow, don't blow down slow,
Speaker 4: because I was just ready to Oh wow. The New
Speaker 4: York City Marathon didn't know what they were getting with me,
Speaker 4: so I was ready and and then I remember, like
Speaker 4: four miles in the top of my foot started to
Speaker 4: throp and it started to get some really bad pain
Speaker 4: in the top of my f and at that point,
Speaker 4: that was the forest I'd ever run in my life
Speaker 4: for miles without ever stopping.
Speaker 1: And it's twenty two to go, oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: Sorry, but you know, I'm feeling good. And it's the energy,
Speaker 3: you know, you are feeding off of it. And the
Speaker 3: crowd is great, the crowd and.
Speaker 2: Signs shine, it's great.
Speaker 4: But you know what I like too, is it's just
Speaker 4: like it's this dichot or it's like this division here
Speaker 4: where I love feeling the energy from the crowd, but
Speaker 4: I also run with music right with air pods, and
Speaker 4: I love going that balance of back and forth of
Speaker 4: like feeding off the crowd everyone yelling and all that,
Speaker 4: but then also just being in between my ears and
Speaker 4: just like focus, like in a meditative state. And I'm
Speaker 4: a song repeater. So I listened to one song the
Speaker 4: entire marathon.
Speaker 2: What's the song.
Speaker 4: It's Kids in Love by Kigo. Chigo's my favorite artist,
Speaker 4: So it's it's different.
Speaker 1: I know you're going to do that the same song
Speaker 1: the whole marathon.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, what yeah, I just it's weird. It puts
Speaker 4: me into like a trance type state.
Speaker 1: And four hours same song. Yeah, but I know we
Speaker 1: came around with I'm so interesting, a little bit different.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm okay. So you're four miles. Then you've
Speaker 2: you've gotten past the furthest you've or the farthest you've
Speaker 2: ever run, but it's not stopping.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you've already in paint that.
Speaker 2: But you had twenty two miles to go? What did
Speaker 2: two point two?
Speaker 4: And and then you know, like miles seven, I started
Speaker 4: feeling the pain kind of shift to like my shins
Speaker 4: and like.
Speaker 3: Then and then I'm like, god, ship, this isn't good.
Speaker 2: We're only laughing.
Speaker 1: Those were runners, man.
Speaker 3: So but then what was crazy is that then the
Speaker 3: pain completely.
Speaker 4: Went away right nine or ten, and then it came
Speaker 4: right back like double is bad. And then I went
Speaker 4: through these cycles where it would go away again and
Speaker 4: then triple is bad, Like, oh no, this is really
Speaker 4: not good.
Speaker 2: Wait did you stop? Did you walk?
Speaker 3: Did you you made it to?
Speaker 4: And I was so proud of myself because I'm just
Speaker 4: winging it here and I made to thirteen point one,
Speaker 4: right before the little bridge, yep, uphill, and I had
Speaker 4: never stopped yet at that point, I just went thirteen
Speaker 4: point one.
Speaker 1: That's amazing, Wow, a half marathon.
Speaker 3: Stop him. Then I stopped a little bit to walk
Speaker 3: up that bridge because.
Speaker 2: It was the very that would be the Queensborough No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, right after the halfway, and then I was good.
Speaker 4: I ran and then the Queensboro Bridge obviously I walked
Speaker 4: up that point. And there was moments for sure, like
Speaker 4: on first ab that I was walking at like miles seventeen,
Speaker 4: I like definitely stopped for like thirty seconds, which was
Speaker 4: a horrible mistake because my legs started.
Speaker 3: To cramp up and I gotta keep going.
Speaker 4: And then at that point it was pure My body
Speaker 4: was just like obviously saying no, but it was purest
Speaker 4: determination and will power to get it done. I was knocking,
Speaker 4: and I'm tracking my buddy too, Like I had like
Speaker 4: a good lead on him. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: that that boost of.
Speaker 2: Common you were ahead of your buddy. Yeah, had he trained?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Wow, okay confidence.
Speaker 4: So that was making me feel good and I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, I got this little buffer so I can
Speaker 4: afford to walk a little bit, but I was tracking him,
Speaker 4: and I think that just competitive aspect kicked him anyway.
Speaker 4: So then I get to Central Park, you know, we're
Speaker 4: coming south down and then it's like the narrow corridors.
Speaker 3: That was just a great boost for energy for me.
Speaker 4: I love that I fed off that, and then I
Speaker 4: ran my fastest mile I think like a seven and
Speaker 4: a half mile, like on mile twenty four whatever.
Speaker 2: That's impressive.
Speaker 3: I don't know what, like a boost energy kicked in
Speaker 3: and I just like let it go.
Speaker 1: Because you know that shit was almost over.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, a forger is coming to an end.
Speaker 4: And then I crossed that line. And this is where
Speaker 4: I'm saying, like I'm super grateful for it all happened.
Speaker 4: I know it was super dumb of me right to
Speaker 4: go and try to think I could conquer this with
Speaker 4: no training, Like not smart.
Speaker 3: I don't recommend that to any but you did it.
Speaker 4: I did it, Yeah, but I don't recommend it still,
Speaker 4: And I know I could have hurt myself and I
Speaker 4: was very lucky I didn't. But the mental place that
Speaker 4: that put me in crossing that line was a place
Speaker 4: I'd never been into my entire life, and I was
Speaker 4: so fricking grateful for And it was again you talk
Speaker 4: about like just a high that you're on and just
Speaker 4: a level of just being able to truly like in
Speaker 4: yourself you believe you can achieve anything, like if you
Speaker 4: truly want it, nothing's going to hold you back. That's
Speaker 4: the feeling I got right after that the last said
Speaker 4: no joke for me for about a good like month
Speaker 4: month and a half, Like I was on that level,
Speaker 4: that frequency, and it was I was applying that to
Speaker 4: so many different aspects of my life, and I just
Speaker 4: I was just compounded it and just it was.
Speaker 3: It was great. And I had never really felt that.
Speaker 4: Level of accomplishment and just like success on something because
Speaker 4: it's hard. It's hard as hell to finish one. And
Speaker 4: I that was the main reason why when I got
Speaker 4: you know, approached this, you know a couple months ago
Speaker 4: with Fabletics to you know, support me and run this
Speaker 4: marathon and with New York road Runners, I was like
Speaker 4: one percent, Yes, there's no way I'm saying no. This time,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna train, I'm gonna actually see what I'm capable of,
Speaker 4: and I'm just gonna have the time of my life,
Speaker 4: have fun, go with it and and do it again.
Speaker 1: So it's been your longest training run this.
Speaker 4: Time fifteen miles, so definitely put the training in. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: not winging it like last time. I've had an amazing
Speaker 4: trainer coach Lance Parker, I've been working with and I've
Speaker 4: been working with a mindfulness meditation coach Megan Monahan as well.
Speaker 4: So try and take care of the body and the
Speaker 4: mind and everything and really see what I can do.
Speaker 2: I love that, and runners know we always say I mean,
Speaker 2: I always say I want to finish uninjured. That's like
Speaker 2: the always the goal. Do you have a time goal?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: So the first one I did five hours seventeen minutes,
Speaker 4: and this one I'd love to break.
Speaker 3: Four and a half hours. Nice, So that's what I'm
Speaker 3: going for if I could do.
Speaker 4: If I'm feeling good, I'll try to go for the
Speaker 4: four four hour mark, but I don't know four and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 3: I'd be really happy with.
Speaker 4: What she used this time, Hoka, not the trainers yet.
Speaker 2: I'm curious, what was do you remember your hardest mile
Speaker 2: in the last one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was that seventeen. I think seventeen eighteen mile
Speaker 4: one is what always stands out to me. It's like
Speaker 4: that's you know, gradual incline on first ab there and
Speaker 4: that's where I stopped and I actually sat down for
Speaker 4: like thirty seconds. That to me was like the biggest
Speaker 4: wall I felt like I had to push through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's interesting. That's coming off of the Queen's
Speaker 2: And so when you so for me, it's always once
Speaker 2: I get through the Bronx and I'm going up Fifth Avenue,
Speaker 2: you're technically going downtown, but you're going uphill for a
Speaker 2: very long that didn't bother you. That that was the
Speaker 2: toughest stretch.
Speaker 3: For me always has bothered me.
Speaker 4: But I would say for sure the first huge wall
Speaker 4: that I was like if there was any doubt that
Speaker 4: crept in, I'm like, can I actually finish this? It
Speaker 4: was at seventeen eighteen and I really had to push
Speaker 4: through and be like no, like we were doing. You
Speaker 4: know what's really cool is Megan, who I was telling
Speaker 4: you I worked with for the whole mindset meditation aspect.
Speaker 4: You know, she said something to me and so true.
Speaker 4: It's like when you feel like you when your body
Speaker 4: is telling you you're completely gassed or no, sorry, when
Speaker 4: your mind is telling you're completely gassed. And you are done,
Speaker 4: you have about sixty percent left in your body. Wow,
Speaker 4: And it's it's really it's a beautiful thing when you
Speaker 4: can like know that and realize that that your mind
Speaker 4: is just playing these tricks on you and it's it's
Speaker 4: trying to get you to stop. But you have a
Speaker 4: lot more left in the tank. And yeah, I think
Speaker 4: all that combined is just why push yourself. I love
Speaker 4: this whole the whole experience.
Speaker 1: Well, man, we will see you out and the time
Speaker 1: you're going for we might all be crossing together. We might,
Speaker 1: but that is what we're We will see you for
Speaker 1: sure there on Sunday as we get ready to do
Speaker 1: this thing. But man, it is an absolute pleasure to
Speaker 1: have you in studio. It's one thing. Look, we've we've
Speaker 1: done a whole lot of Bachelor stuff in our day
Speaker 1: from our previous days with ABC, so we we've always
Speaker 1: been even if we didn't watch the show, we're fans
Speaker 1: of the people we got to know over time, and
Speaker 1: you were certainly one of them. And it's so it's appreciate.
Speaker 1: It's really really great to have you in sto studio
Speaker 1: and be able to have this kind of fun conversation again.
Speaker 1: A little therapy here from robot.
Speaker 2: We just launched into it. We actually don't even know
Speaker 2: what we're gonna say when we say it, but I
Speaker 2: think that's.
Speaker 1: One of the fun But we're working on that ropes,
Speaker 1: aren't we.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need to have a better filter sometimes I had.
Speaker 2: I had such a filter for my entire career for
Speaker 2: almost three decades, and now my filter gets to like
Speaker 2: go up a little bit. So I apologize for getting
Speaker 2: too are sold too quickly, But I do think there
Speaker 2: are so many things about career and even like choosing
Speaker 2: things like running marathons. People think you're crazy, right, but
Speaker 2: it all feeds into a larger scheme of our life
Speaker 2: and what we're trying to accomplish and what we all want,
Speaker 2: which is to feel to feel that we can do
Speaker 2: hard things right. And that that includes relationships, that includes marathons,
Speaker 2: that includes well, I can't even imagine plying a plane,
Speaker 2: but we're grateful for people like you who can. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the easy part. But Pilot Pete, I guess are
Speaker 2: you okay with that?
Speaker 3: Are you? Like?
Speaker 2: That's your Instagram handle, right, So you've embraced the whole thing,
Speaker 2: and I love that about you too. Some people try
Speaker 2: to deny where they came from, but you're like, I'm
Speaker 2: Pilot Pete and that's okay, and we'll be rooting for
Speaker 2: you and running alongside you comes Sunday, so good luck,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you congratulations ahead of time because you're
Speaker 2: gonna do great.
Speaker 3: Awesome you guys at the finish line, it's that
Speaker 2: M