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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntire. What is up?

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire?

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Speaker 2: Fire hits me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Thursday, June

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Speaker 2: the twelfth. Let's go Indiana Pacers with the dub five

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Speaker 2: point dogs win outright at home with a monster fourth quarter. Listen,

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Speaker 2: I know it's a finals, not to get that excited about.

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Speaker 2: That was a great freaking basketball game, just a phenomenal game.

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Speaker 2: Indiana takes the lead in the second quarter. Okay See

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Speaker 2: comes back with a big third. J Dubb hits that

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Speaker 2: dagger at the end of the quarter. They go into

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Speaker 2: the fourth up five. You're like, oh, okay, so he's

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Speaker 2: got it. I was ready to write the series off.

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Speaker 2: I had said, if they win Game three, it's over

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Speaker 2: because then, okay, so he can lose Game four, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter. They still get two out of three at home.

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Speaker 2: And I don't see, as I said before the series,

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Speaker 2: I don't see okay See losing in seven. I just don't.

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Speaker 2: That's that is a tough place to play. I mean

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Speaker 2: they throttled Denver like, it's just a tough place to play,

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Speaker 2: okay See, and Indiana had to have it, and they

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Speaker 2: got it in dramatic fashion. One sixteen one oh seven.

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Speaker 2: So a couple big picture things that big time jump out. Okay,

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter Indiana thirty two to eighteen, and okase looked

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Speaker 2: outright gased. You could see it in the third quarter.

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Speaker 2: Both teams, you know, big first half, both of them

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Speaker 2: were over sixty points and you could see third quarter

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Speaker 2: I heard Doris Burke say, boy, they've had seven different

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Speaker 2: defenders on SGA. She said this early in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: I was like seven. And then I started to write

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Speaker 2: in my notes, I'm like, okay, well they got em

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Speaker 2: hard Nie Smith Halle, oh shuck. They got Ben Matheren,

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Speaker 2: who had the game of his life. You had TJ McConnell,

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Speaker 2: you had Ben Shephard, and I think the other one

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Speaker 2: was Obi Toppin, but it might have been Siakham. Either way,

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Speaker 2: seven defenders, and then you watched the way they defended

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Speaker 2: SGA and listen, he's the VP, he's great. He made

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Speaker 2: one basket in the fourth quarter, his fourth quarter one

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Speaker 2: seven different guys go at him, they picked him up

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Speaker 2: full court. And this has kind of been one of

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Speaker 2: the themes of the postseason. Okay, we've seen teams repeatedly do this.

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Speaker 2: I've got young legs, I've got a bench. I'm picking

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Speaker 2: you up full court. I'm gonna slowly but surely wear

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Speaker 2: you down. You don't just get to free dribble up

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Speaker 2: the court. Right, and you watch SGA in the fourth

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Speaker 2: you're like, damn, he looks hard. But it wasn't just

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Speaker 2: picking him up full court. If you watch the actions

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Speaker 2: that Indiano was running, they were running right at chet

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Speaker 2: Holmgren with the initial screen and the second screen was

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Speaker 2: against SGA. He was working his butt off at both ends.

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Speaker 2: And I know he's a good two way player. He's

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Speaker 2: not a great two way player. Okay, let's not put him.

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Speaker 2: He's not Scottie Pippin defensively, Okay, he's not Klay Thompson,

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Speaker 2: who was a lethal shooter and one of the best

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Speaker 2: defensive guards in the league. He's just not at that level.

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Speaker 2: He's a good defender, but it wears you down when

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Speaker 2: you've got to create everything and then go bust your

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Speaker 2: hump defending. Couple other numbers for SGA, his magic number

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Speaker 2: is can he get to the free throw line eight

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Speaker 2: or more times? I think they have one loss in

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Speaker 2: more times. The free throw mergint he only got to

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Speaker 2: the line six times. And then the kicker six turnovers

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Speaker 2: for SGA, which is a definite giveaway. I mean he

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Speaker 2: had four assistants six turnovers. The Okase Thunder had seventeen

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Speaker 2: turnovers sixteen assists. That's that's not okay. See basketball, Now,

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Speaker 2: we did give you this yesterday, hey man. Game three

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Speaker 2: is their struggle game. Struggled to Memphis, even though they

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Speaker 2: way to Minnesota. Obviously, they were in this one, and

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Speaker 2: they had the lead going into the fourth and they

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Speaker 2: excited as a Pacers fan, only one day of rest

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Speaker 2: between these two and look at this, Rob I was

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Speaker 2: surprised when I looked at the box score. SGA played

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Speaker 2: the most minutes in the game forty two. After that

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Speaker 2: But SGA played a game high forty two minutes, Halliburton

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Speaker 2: totally completely different than a regular season game. Halliburton, they

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Speaker 2: Halliburton started the fourth on the bench and it was

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Speaker 2: TJ McConnell, and it was Ben Matheren bringing him back.

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Speaker 2: Then they put Siaka on the bench and brought an

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Speaker 2: Obi Toppin and with siakam out, Obi Topon goes off.

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Speaker 2: He had to dunk back. Folks, listen to these bench numbers.

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Speaker 2: Obi Toppin plus eighteen, Ben Mathern plus sixteen, and TJ McConnell,

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Speaker 2: who stolen in bounds pass. You gotta love that plus twelve.

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Speaker 2: They obliterated the OKC bench. They basically give OKAC they're

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Speaker 2: on medicine. Hey, you know what, we're coming out, We're

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Speaker 2: coming hard, We're coming for forty eight, and we've got

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Speaker 2: the crowd were juiced up. They weren't really hitting their threes.

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Speaker 2: This was one of their worst three point shooting nights

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Speaker 2: I know, I know you guys don't want to hear this.

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Speaker 2: They wilted under the Indiana pressure. Now I don't know

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Speaker 2: how you spin this forward. But if Indiana gets came

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Speaker 2: four and there will be pressure on Okay, See is

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Speaker 2: just the game where I don't know. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: j Dubb who had four turnovers and he looked uncertain dry.

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Speaker 2: everyone else. We had fur turnovers, three assists. He's not

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Speaker 2: He had some good looks. Miles Turner ends up swatting

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Speaker 2: under the weather. According to Rick Carlisle did not shoot

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Speaker 2: a Grade three of eleven, but defensively five blocks and

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Speaker 2: Rick Carlos said he's probably not gonna practice on Thursday

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Speaker 2: because he's not feeling good. But it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 2: when you can get quality minutes out of your bench.

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Speaker 2: the heroes in Game two. Came off the bench splashing

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Speaker 2: three is left and right ten minutes over two. This

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Speaker 2: to me is Dagnaalt not trusting his guys and desperately

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Speaker 2: wanting this game. That's why he played him any minutes,

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Speaker 2: and frankly they wore down on the fourth quarter. I

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Speaker 2: But the only the best solution for OKC is, hey,

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Speaker 2: we need other guys to score, so SGA doesn't have

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Speaker 2: And I know, hey, man, that's basketball. You gotta play

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Isaiah Joe comes in his hitting threes.

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Speaker 2: He did make two, but he only played four minutes. Weirdly,

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Speaker 2: it didn't look like they trusted their bench. Okac's bench

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Speaker 2: with a robust eighteen points Okay. Indiana got twenty seven

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Speaker 2: from Matheren, ten from TJ mcconnoff, four from Shepherd and

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Speaker 2: eight from Obi Toppin. I love what I saw. I

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Speaker 2: know OKAC hasn't lost back to back games and forever

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Speaker 2: zig zag Gary probably says Okay bounces back here. But

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Speaker 2: for being honest, Rob, I thought Indiana had to have this,

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Speaker 2: and I like their role players at home and I

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Speaker 2: am leaning toward a Friday Night Pacers win at home

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Speaker 2: to go up three one.

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Speaker 3: Live, Wow, j Max, Stay in true to form, just

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Speaker 3: hating on OKC all the way down the line. I

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Speaker 3: love it, I love it well. First off, the Indiana Pacers.

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Speaker 3: That finishing kick was a championship level finishing kick that

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Speaker 3: was not just hey they're a solid team. Hey they're plucky.

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Speaker 3: Hey they are a team of destiny. No, no, no. What

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Speaker 3: they did in that fourth quarter was is something that

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Speaker 3: you would see from a Lebron James led fourth quarter team,

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Speaker 3: favorite team is right in that fourth quarter for them

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Speaker 3: to walk them down the way they did. You mentioned

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Speaker 3: they win at thirty two to eighteen. These are my

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Speaker 3: two favorite numbers of that fourth quarter. Though they forced

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Speaker 3: five turnovers in the fourth, they had five block shots defensively,

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Speaker 3: what they did in that fourth quarter has to be commended.

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Speaker 3: They made all the plays that Okac did not. They

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Speaker 3: looked like a team quite frankly, that is comfortable in

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Speaker 3: these kind of games. Okay, see, as great as they've

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Speaker 3: they haven't been in a lot of close games. They've

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Speaker 3: been blowing the doors off of everybody all season. And

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Speaker 3: as part of the reason why we had that conversation

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Speaker 3: after game one, you know about their depth, and it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: been in this position very often. And Indiana did exactly

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Speaker 3: your tweet about it a BYuT a minute left and

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Speaker 3: and Tyre's Halliburton, rather than run clock, throws it up

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Speaker 3: ahead to see, okay, I can get to the lay

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Speaker 3: up to go up eight. Most teams would slow it

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Speaker 3: Indiana Pacers are doing what the Pacers do, and for them,

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Speaker 3: you gotta feel great hitting into Game four now, if

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna do half the glass half empty, approach to

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Speaker 3: it though, obviously the big stars of the game, TJ McConnell,

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Speaker 3: Ben Mathern. I mean, I saw a stat about TJ

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: TJ McConnell in fifteen minutes had ten points, five assists

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Speaker 3: here in my favorite part five steals. The first bench

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Speaker 3: player ever to have numbers like that in a finals game. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but obviously the big story Ben Mathern twenty five points

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Speaker 3: off the bench. Here's a list of players in NBA

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Speaker 3: history who have scored twenty five plus points off the

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Speaker 3: bench in a finals game this century. Ben Mathern, Jason

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Speaker 3: Terry monogenobly like he's an elite company. Now we're yeah.

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Speaker 3: The problem though again, if you are taking the negative

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Speaker 3: Mathern and the Inanda Pacers have played nineteen playoff games now,

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Speaker 3: including Game three. He's had five games where he scored

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Speaker 3: nine in Game three. He's also had seven games where

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Speaker 3: he scored less than five, So can you count on

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Speaker 3: him to have this kind of performance again in game four?

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Speaker 3: History says no. And will we see Pascal Siakam finally

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Speaker 3: get unlocked because he hasn't really been himself so far

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Speaker 3: in this series. I'm interested to see what Pacers player

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Speaker 3: Halliburton had an out lighter game for him, like, he

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Speaker 2: Pacers go up two to one on Mighty okay see,

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Speaker 2: Game three, Indiana gets to win, and now, Okase, he's chasing.

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Speaker 2: And honestly, I'm just gonna remind you guys. Game four

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Speaker 3: That's a good point. I'll tell you what, Ben Matherine

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Speaker 3: You'll appreciate this. As a Lakers fan like me, there

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Speaker 3: What we saw in game three reminded me of the

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Speaker 3: Oh stat say they're gonna win it by eighteen plus.

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Speaker 2: Interesting. I mean, huh, that's it. I did not anticipate

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Speaker 2: that Rob.

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Speaker 2: Here's my thing, Chet Homeward, I don't listen. He's young

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Speaker 2: and he's thinned. I don't know that he has that

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Speaker 2: they're probably gonna go, hey, Shay, you got to bring

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Speaker 2: Game one he's streaky. I just I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you don't expect the veterans like a Lebron a Luca, Well,

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Speaker 2: don't expect that, But maybe it's time to be like, hey, Bronni,

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Speaker 2: Maybe he's older, but I think you've got to Is

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Speaker 2: Rob he was the MVP of the league. People were

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Speaker 2: this is the kind of game where Okase struggled in

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he didn't bucket. So as far as them

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Speaker 3: they played them the way you would normally expect your

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Speaker 3: uper echelon guys to play. I don't even I can't

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Speaker 3: even say for sure that their defenders are like world

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Speaker 2: They're really good.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying taking away from them, but it's not

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Speaker 3: like they have you go man for man down the roster.

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Speaker 3: Nie Smith, Nemhard McConnell.

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Speaker 2: Math like whoever.

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Speaker 3: Those guys are not as good defensively as the OKC

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Speaker 3: guys point blank period. If OKC wanted to pressure Indiana.

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Speaker 3: The problem though, is Tyre's Halliburn doesn't handle the ball

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Speaker 3: like Shia. He's gonna kid it ahead, he's gonna pass around,

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Speaker 3: And so by the time you pressure all these guys,

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Speaker 3: it won't matter because the ball will be at the

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Speaker 3: free throw line by the time you really got into them,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's just it's a

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Speaker 3: styles make fights kind of thing, and right now that

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Speaker 3: this is a great fight that we're watching here in this.

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Speaker 2: Finals, so we could wrap rob I know, I think

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Speaker 2: I said the number one was when you're tied at

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Speaker 2: one and you go up to one, you win seventy

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Speaker 2: nine percent of the time. It might be eighty. I

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Speaker 2: saw seventy nine on ESPN eighty on that this gamble

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Speaker 2: in place, Poly Market right, which had the election. Interestingly,

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Speaker 2: poly Market only has the Pacers with a thirty five

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Speaker 2: percent chance to win the series. So something's crazy out

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Speaker 2: of whack. Okay, I will remind everybody. The last one

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Speaker 2: that I could find I just quickly went through the

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Speaker 2: finals to win Game three and lose the series was

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Speaker 2: Lebron's Heat against the MAVs, an unbelievable series which a

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Speaker 2: lot of people have forgotten except for Lebron. The Heat game.

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Speaker 3: You know, Lebron against the Warriors did that too the

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Speaker 3: first year when Kyrie.

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Speaker 2: Was But they lost that series.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, they went up to one and then lost.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, oh good point, good point because Curry.

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Speaker 2: Curry had that game. I think it was the thirty

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Speaker 2: seven in Game four or something. Yeah, okay, so I

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Speaker 2: missed that one. But the Heat, Lebron's Heat eat the MAVs.

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Speaker 2: Then lost to the MAVs, then win Game three in

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Speaker 2: a close one. But Game four was the mysterious game

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Speaker 2: that really deserves its own Like what on Earth happened here?

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Speaker 2: That was the game where Lebron was three for eleven

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Speaker 2: shooting and had eight points just like this was to

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Speaker 2: go up three to one and Dallas storms back at

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Speaker 2: the end in one of the bigger upsets, and Miami

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Speaker 2: never won another game. Obviously, that could happen. Indiana certainly

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Speaker 2: is no HEATLS one point zero, that's for sure. But

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Speaker 2: could could Sga pull a Dirk Davitsky? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We know Sga is a scoring machine. It's just a

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Speaker 2: little different because Dirk he's not getting pressure. He's just

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Speaker 2: jogging down the court getting to a spot. You know,

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Speaker 2: SGA's got to initiate the offense, and they're going at

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Speaker 2: him relentlessly. I love. I thought Rick Carlov coached a

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Speaker 2: masterpiece and we'll see a little bit of turnaround time

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Speaker 2: here for Dagnault man, you know, can you By the way,

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Speaker 2: so my son finished eighth grade and they have this

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Speaker 2: big celebration in California. I didn't know it was the thing,

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Speaker 2: but whatever. Do you remember your promotion from eighth grade?

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Speaker 3: Rob?

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Speaker 2: I do, Yeah, apparently it's big. It was nothing where

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Speaker 2: I grew up in Virginia, and I happen to be

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Speaker 2: sitting next to a buddy and I totally forgot this.

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Speaker 2: He's from Oklahoma and he's a huge OKC fan. So

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Speaker 2: his son, who's in sixth grade goes, dude, my dad

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Speaker 2: listens to straight Fire every morning. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 2: I forgot he's an Okay Sea guy. And then his

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Speaker 2: dad shows up and he's like, man, I was going

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Speaker 2: to get you a jersey. I'm like, oh, don't get

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Speaker 2: me an sgh. He goes, no, Austin Reeves because you

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Speaker 2: can't stop talking about him. He goes you and Rob

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Speaker 2: love you. So Austin Reeves. I was like, listen, man,

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Speaker 2: Austin Reeves is the man. But listen, I know I

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Speaker 2: bashed Okay See a lot. If they show up at

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Speaker 2: Game four, they got the series. Obviously they're not losing

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Speaker 2: two of three. At home, I feel confident saying Matt

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Speaker 2: PACER's got to win Game four on Friday. All right,

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Speaker 2: That's that's it for today. I think this is that

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Speaker 2: series just got fascinating. I hope you guys feel the

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Speaker 2: same way. Back tomorrow