WEBVTT - How Does Our 'Animal Brain' Help Us? with Leanne Ellington (Outweigh)

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<v Speaker 1>I won't let my body out way outweigh everything that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm made do, won't spend my life trying to change.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning to love who I am again. I'm strong,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel free, I know who every part of me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's beautiful and done will always outway if you feel

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<v Speaker 1>it with your hands and the here she's some love

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<v Speaker 1>to the boom by a day. Let's say good day

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<v Speaker 1>and time did you and die out? Happy Saturday. Outweigh

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<v Speaker 1>Amy here and my expert guest today is Leanne Ellington.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a self image scientist and cookie lover. I love

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<v Speaker 1>her bio. She's been on the podcast before, so you

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<v Speaker 1>may recall she was on Outweigh and Four Things Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>Done both and she's going to be a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the Four Things Live that's going down here in Nashville.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love your knowledge of the brain and why

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<v Speaker 1>we behave the way we behave. You give us the why,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like it's really important for us to

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<v Speaker 1>understand the why because then we realize, oh, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>crazy for thinking this way about myself or behaving this way.

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<v Speaker 1>My brain is simply just trying to take care of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what we're going to talk about today

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<v Speaker 1>is our brains. What our brains are doing for us,

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<v Speaker 1>especially like for me in particularly in whenever I was

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<v Speaker 1>starting my recovery journey from binge eating, I read a

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<v Speaker 1>book called Brain over Binge, and that's the first time

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<v Speaker 1>I was introduced to the animal brain. And that was

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<v Speaker 1>her way of the simple way of putting it. That

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<v Speaker 1>part of my brain that was helping me survive because

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<v Speaker 1>I had starved myself for so long I had would

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<v Speaker 1>restrict and so then that led to my body not

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<v Speaker 1>trusting me and my brain not knowing when I was

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<v Speaker 1>ever going to give it food again. So therefore it

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<v Speaker 1>would eat eat, eat, eat eat because it's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know when this person is going to feed

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<v Speaker 1>me again. And then that that created that pattern, and

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<v Speaker 1>so every time I would go to the pantry, my

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<v Speaker 1>animal brain was in charge. But the cool part is

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<v Speaker 1>once I realized that I was able to take control

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, oh no, no, no, animal brain not today.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is what you're going to talk about today,

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<v Speaker 1>is like the meat of that Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think you said it so well. It's like we

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<v Speaker 1>judge what we don't understand, and in that area that

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<v Speaker 1>we don't understand about ourselves. That's where usually the shame lives,

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<v Speaker 1>and we make meaning that I'm crazy or there's something

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with me, or I'm air quotes broken or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>we say. And that's why I get so passionate about

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<v Speaker 1>sharing the why behind the what, because, as you know

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<v Speaker 1>you've shared before, my struggle ran so deep and until

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<v Speaker 1>I understood why I do, why I did what I did,

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<v Speaker 1>I just put myself in those categories that had shame

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<v Speaker 1>stories around it. So I think it's so important. But

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<v Speaker 1>also the cool thing is once we understand it and

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<v Speaker 1>we see that it's really just like a mechanism, it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like a system that's kind of been running our

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<v Speaker 1>life for us. We can look at it and then

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<v Speaker 1>understand how to take back the power from it and

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<v Speaker 1>learn how to have it be our best friend and

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<v Speaker 1>be our superpower when we know how to manage it

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<v Speaker 1>and influence it rather than having it control us. And

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<v Speaker 1>so when you say best friend, what do you mean

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<v Speaker 1>by that? Yeah? So you know, people often ask me like,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you mean when you say rewire the brain?

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<v Speaker 1>Because one of the things I always say is and

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<v Speaker 1>it just came from my own experiences, like It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a food thing, it wasn't a motivation or willpower thing.

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<v Speaker 1>My brain was doing the doing for me. And it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't matter how many diets I went on or failed,

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<v Speaker 1>And it didn't matter, you know, all of the positive

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<v Speaker 1>motivation I told myself. My brain still was doing its

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<v Speaker 1>own thing and its own pattern making and meaning making

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<v Speaker 1>and acting. And so, you know, the best description of

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<v Speaker 1>it was doctor Stephen Peters in the Chimp paradox. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>like in basically our brains share a very milar structure

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<v Speaker 1>with that of the chimpanzee brain, but specifically when it

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<v Speaker 1>comes to that impulse control, and so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times that is the part of our brain that's associated

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<v Speaker 1>with us thinking that we're weak willed, thinking that we're

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<v Speaker 1>not motivated enough, thinking that we're a failure, and that

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<v Speaker 1>becomes ingrained in our self image. So first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>just acknowledging, Wow, I have this chimp brain up there,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's untamed, she's uncontrolled, she's running around, she's probably

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<v Speaker 1>a little mischievous, and she is what is, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doing the doing, eating, the eating, binging, the binging. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So acknowledging that and that we can actually train her,

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<v Speaker 1>and we can tame her, and we can show her

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<v Speaker 1>the ropes, these new ropes, you know, so to speak,

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<v Speaker 1>and really just take back power from that now obviously

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<v Speaker 1>it's beyond the scope of this chat right now, but

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<v Speaker 1>that that is even possible, that in itself, to me,

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<v Speaker 1>it is power and knowing that it doesn't just have

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<v Speaker 1>to be this way for the rest of our lives

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<v Speaker 1>and we're not death to stay stuck in these patterns.

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<v Speaker 1>Just knowing that. And then the other side of that

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<v Speaker 1>is obviously that it's kind of like the cousin of it,

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<v Speaker 1>or that really seals the deal. Is is the self image,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, because you can have all of the impulse

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<v Speaker 1>control and self control that you could possibly have, but

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<v Speaker 1>if your self image is spinning stories of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the ones we talked about like this is who you are,

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<v Speaker 1>this is who you'll always be, or labeling your things

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<v Speaker 1>like unlovable, unworthy, fat, whatever we say to ourselves. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter how you know self disciplined you are,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to become a self fulfilling prophecy. You'll always

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<v Speaker 1>step into your self image and unfortunately you'll never outsmart

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<v Speaker 1>or out diet or outstrategize your self image. So when

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<v Speaker 1>I say rewire the brain, it's got to be both, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you definitely need to tame that chimp. And really

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<v Speaker 1>that's befriending it. Yeah, knowing like this is this funny

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<v Speaker 1>part of me come yet and it's not that it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to magically go away and stop. So what if

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<v Speaker 1>we just acknowledge, like, this is the part of me

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<v Speaker 1>that's happening, and I'm going to radically commit to learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to tame it, so to speak, and become this conscious,

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<v Speaker 1>mindful decision maker rather than having these feeling like these

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<v Speaker 1>decisions are being made for me or choices being taken

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<v Speaker 1>away from me. Right, So really, just like again, knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not going away, but how can I become

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<v Speaker 1>friends with it rather than thinking it's my worst enemy

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<v Speaker 1>or that I'm a self sabotager. Right. I like the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of becoming friends with it. I had not thought

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<v Speaker 1>of it that way before. I sort of was annoyed

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<v Speaker 1>by it and hated it and it was frustrated. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, I think befriending it gives you more

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<v Speaker 1>compassion for yourself because it is part of you. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the same time, if you picture it is that

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<v Speaker 1>and you become friends with it and you're like, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you're trying to do your best to take

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<v Speaker 1>care of me right now, but we're spinning a little

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<v Speaker 1>out of control, and there's another way, so come on

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<v Speaker 1>join me over here, and then that part can sort

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<v Speaker 1>of calm down instead of having such anger towards it.

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<v Speaker 1>Frustration exactly because the resent conversation of like, man, this

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<v Speaker 1>is this part of my brain that I have no

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<v Speaker 1>control over, or we you know, we label it as

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<v Speaker 1>bad or whatever. It's arguing with reality. You know. In Buying,

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<v Speaker 1>Katie says, when you argue with reality, you suffer. So

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<v Speaker 1>you're literally just like creating suffering around something that is right.

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<v Speaker 1>But when we look at it, acknowledge it and be like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to like this part of my brain

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<v Speaker 1>is doing its thing without me. But if I can

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<v Speaker 1>just accept that it is, like, this is what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>So what if I looked at it like, Okay, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna take it on and I'm gonna befriended and

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<v Speaker 1>make peace with it and accept first and foremost, just

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<v Speaker 1>accept that this is what's happening. It completely changes the

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<v Speaker 1>tone and reframes it because yeah, it's no longer this

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<v Speaker 1>enemy that you have to you know, defeat, because that

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<v Speaker 1>puts you in that fight mentality. Now it's just something like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I know the reality of it, and I can

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<v Speaker 1>actually act accordingly and take power from it and empower

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<v Speaker 1>myself to influence it, rather than feel like it's an

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<v Speaker 1>enemy that I have to avoid or you know, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>down or be mad at. You mentioned acknowledging it being

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<v Speaker 1>the first step. What's another step that we can take

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<v Speaker 1>to tame it? Or what are some examples of taming it?

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<v Speaker 1>Because that's great? Should I hear that? And someone listening

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<v Speaker 1>might be like, Okay, great, now I know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>hope I can do this. She's telling me I can.

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<v Speaker 1>It is possible, and I'm aware of it. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledging it. But what's the one thing maybe I can

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<v Speaker 1>try to start doing today, Yeah, to tame her? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's such a such a little question, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's so many different things. Yeah, whichever the case, Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>chimp exactly exactly, however, you're chimp identifying right exactly. We

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<v Speaker 1>are all we love all chimps around here. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the first step would be I call it an awareness awareness, right,

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<v Speaker 1>which is just having the awareness that you have the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to have an awareness of something. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>people listening today might not realize they have this chimp

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<v Speaker 1>that is in charge of their impulse control or a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of times it feels like lack thereof right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so having this awareness that you have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>even influence a chimp in your brain and befriend it

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<v Speaker 1>is a step, right, the awareness to have the awareness,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. And then you know the first thing that

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<v Speaker 1>like the pause, right, the mindfulness, the taking a breath

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<v Speaker 1>even and again I know some of these things that

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<v Speaker 1>we hear it's like, okay, that's easier said than done, right,

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<v Speaker 1>but everybody can just taken an inhalation and an exhalation,

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<v Speaker 1>one breath, you know, and even you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things I teach is this idea of kind of

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<v Speaker 1>future pacing and reverse engineering. And again this might go

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<v Speaker 1>beyond the scope of today, but this idea of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, drawing that line in the sand first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>and even just saying you know what, like I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>going to fight this anymore. I'm not gonna make myself wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just going to acknowledge that this is the part

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<v Speaker 1>of me, So, you know, the acceptance of what is

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<v Speaker 1>It might sound like such a small step, but just

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<v Speaker 1>being able to accept that this is what's happening and

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to influence it that has to be

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<v Speaker 1>the first step before you go transform anything, in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so that like radical acceptance of this is

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<v Speaker 1>what is in acknowledging. Hey, I don't have to like it.

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<v Speaker 1>It might outright stink right now, but just knowing like

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<v Speaker 1>this is what's happening and accepting it, and then even

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<v Speaker 1>just one breath, one inhalation, one exhalation is enough to

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<v Speaker 1>put you in the parasympathetic branch of your nervous system,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what's going to give you a gateway to

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<v Speaker 1>even be able to make a conscious decision next. I

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<v Speaker 1>love the pause, and we'll talk more later about parasympathetic.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's something that has come up on

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast in previous episodes, but you could also just

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<v Speaker 1>google it too, and you can learn the two different types,

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<v Speaker 1>the sympathetic and the parasympathetic, and what's happening in your

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<v Speaker 1>brain and how you can actually put yourself in it,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, with the breathwork, with meditation, with journaling.

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<v Speaker 1>We were just talking about this. We were at Restore.

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<v Speaker 1>We were I do cryotherapy. Lean and I were both

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<v Speaker 1>there and this football player like walked in and he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh man, I love cryotherapy. A big tough guy, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's talking about how in the morning he does his meditation,

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<v Speaker 1>his journaling to get his mind right because he knows

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to set him up for a successful day.

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<v Speaker 1>So even as a pro athlete, he knows what's up

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<v Speaker 1>because he knows he's got to get his head right.

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<v Speaker 1>And so wherever you are, which most of us are

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<v Speaker 1>not pro athletes, but what we got to set ourselves

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<v Speaker 1>up for the day, Like we're on a mission. We

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<v Speaker 1>have a mission. And if you're listening to this right now,

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<v Speaker 1>you're either on a mission to help someone that you

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<v Speaker 1>know and love that potentially has a needing disorder and

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<v Speaker 1>disordered eating, or you're curious and you're listening for yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know what's going on with yourself and you

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<v Speaker 1>are trying to gather all the tools and all the things.

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<v Speaker 1>But just know that that pause, that breath. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that you said that, and that's a simple thing to

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<v Speaker 1>take away because it is so much more complex than

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<v Speaker 1>just this. There's a bajillion different steps, but that's a

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<v Speaker 1>great place to start, is the breath. And for me,

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<v Speaker 1>every time I would go to that pantry, I was

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<v Speaker 1>rewiring my brain. I would she would encourage me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's your animal brain wanting to go to the pantry

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<v Speaker 1>to binge. So go look at the door, turn around,

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<v Speaker 1>walk away. You might have to look at the door,

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<v Speaker 1>turn around, and walk away five hundred times. But every

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<v Speaker 1>time you turn around and don't give in, you are

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<v Speaker 1>training the brain. Absolutely, So we're training our chimp. Every

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<v Speaker 1>time you take that pause, you take that breath, and

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<v Speaker 1>you don't give in to whatever the behavior is set

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<v Speaker 1>for mine. It could be for you, could be that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe you're turning to a glass of wine

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<v Speaker 1>every night. Can we pause and not give in to

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<v Speaker 1>that or binging on you know, Netflix or shopping or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. So I know there's so much more

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<v Speaker 1>to it. So thank you for giving us a simple

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<v Speaker 1>step to begin with there, lean and it's it's very helpful.

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<v Speaker 1>And just know, I think the big takeaway here is

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<v Speaker 1>and what we're all about here at always that there's

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<v Speaker 1>hope and you're not alone. Absolutely yeah, And even just

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<v Speaker 1>these conversations, the studies show that awareness of a problem

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<v Speaker 1>is enough to create a pattern interrupt in your brain

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<v Speaker 1>to take that next step. So even just awareness and

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<v Speaker 1>having these heightened levels and these conversations that you're even

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<v Speaker 1>having here is helping. It might not see like these

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<v Speaker 1>big dramatic steps, but it counts. It matters. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>step forward. You're weekly dose aboutweigh or what other things

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<v Speaker 1>you're the books you're reading, the other podcasts you're listening to,

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<v Speaker 1>the conversations you're having with friends, with your therapist. All

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<v Speaker 1>those things are disrupting. And so that's why even without

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<v Speaker 1>Way it's a quick Saturday episode, I keep them ten

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen minutes. I want it to be digestible. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want it to be something that overwhelms you. I

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<v Speaker 1>want it to be that weekly pick me up of

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<v Speaker 1>encouragement or hope or someone just coming alongside you and

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that hey, we're all trying to figure this out

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<v Speaker 1>and then bringing experts on that can help help guide us.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you Leanne for coming on today for those

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<v Speaker 1>for the weekly outwagh pick me up. Yes, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be a part of it. Which lean Where

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<v Speaker 1>can people find you? Yeah? Absolutely, you can just go

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<v Speaker 1>to Stressless Eating dot com. There's a ton of coal

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<v Speaker 1>resources for you to just get more awareness and really

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<v Speaker 1>help set yourself free. Awesome and I am at radio

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<v Speaker 1>Amy on Instagram. You can find links there for everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Also Amy dot com. I m hm