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Speaker 1: The Around the League Podcast starts now. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: another edition the Around the League Podcast. My name is

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Speaker 1: Dan Handis, and I am joined by a room filled

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Speaker 1: with some heroes, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal. What up boys,

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Speaker 1: Hey Dan, Dan seems a little bit down without his

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Speaker 1: tag team partner Mark here, but yeah, we're gonna still

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Speaker 1: have a great show. Dan, listen, I always like when

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Speaker 1: it's a room filled with heroes. Uh. Mark is, yes,

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Speaker 1: a friend of mine, but also you know, when his

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Speaker 1: little bit. But it doesn't mean that I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to soldier on because we have to, because the NFL continues.

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Speaker 1: Even when there's not a lot a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: going on, when everybody's on vacation and people are at

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Speaker 1: in Brazil, We're gonna still keep talking about the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Right West, Did Rex Ryan see the US lose? But

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Speaker 1: really yes, America. America advanced to the Round of sixteen,

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Speaker 1: survived the Group of Death, Big victory through a loss

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Speaker 1: of Germany one nil. Very nice, thank you Portugal, big victory.

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Speaker 1: We lost? Yeah, we lost what we won? Yeah, they

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Speaker 1: deserved it. I mean, we're not gonna give too much

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Speaker 1: soccer analysis, but they beat Ghana and they outplayed Portugal.

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Speaker 1: They we're not going to give to a soccer analysis

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Speaker 1: because we could not possibly we didn't know anything. We

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Speaker 1: don't really get into this. This we lost, but we're

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Speaker 1: really one thing, and especially since our alleged best player

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Speaker 1: And the great thing about the World Cup and it's

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Speaker 1: growing in statue, it's shut down. Even the NFL offices.

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Speaker 1: People were at work. We were ready if something happened,

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Speaker 1: but basically the entire NFL media group is locked in

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Speaker 1: and Wesley and had a lot of vitriol directed to

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Speaker 1: it's Bradley that's a shadowy league figure. Just taking note

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Speaker 1: of Greg what Greg said, Alright, nice show today, a

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Speaker 1: very nice show today. We are we're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: several things. We're gonna do. Uh some chatter about the

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Speaker 1: We moved from twenty one to thirty. On Wednesday night,

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Speaker 1: they unveiled those names. We're gonna get into, uh, some

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Speaker 1: also going to get into. We had what we call

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Speaker 1: Were about progress. NFL dot Com slash A t L.

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Speaker 1: That's where you'll find all our written content. We did

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Speaker 1: some news, Mr Wilke. We start with news that came

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Speaker 1: this group is charisma, the word you're you can use charisma.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think Fabriano Rosenthal's a toss up

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Speaker 1: to me. A lot of charisma both ways. I would

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Speaker 1: like to see a toss up between them and see

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Speaker 1: who can get on the on the tip drill there. So,

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Speaker 1: in my tease, Mr Wilke, Jimmy Graham was named by

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling as the top tight end in the NFL

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Speaker 1: entering the preseason. H So this is how Mr Westling

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Speaker 1: broke it down. And I and I again, I say,

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Speaker 1: when Chris Westling writes these think pieces breaking down positional groups,

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Speaker 1: and he's going to do it for every How how

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Speaker 1: many are you gonna do with these? Are gonna go

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Speaker 1: every position or skill players? Or how are we doing this?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, asked boss. I think we'll do one

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Speaker 1: a week leading into the season. This this is kid

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Speaker 1: you not, this is required reading. So the tight ends

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Speaker 1: are up today and number one is Jimmy Graham breaks

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Speaker 1: it into all pros, next level strong starters. Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: solid starters. I don't want to. Yes, Wes is wording.

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Speaker 1: The next group is potential versus production, diminishing role and

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Speaker 1: then impact rookies. So why don't we start right at

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Speaker 1: the top of the list, where Chris Westling has Graham,

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Speaker 1: Rob Bronkowski, and Vernon Davis is his top three. It

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Speaker 1: would Grant be number one if he was healthy last year, right,

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Speaker 1: And I know that Greg Rosenthal lives in a world

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Speaker 1: where a cls never get torn. Literally. I'm genuinely yes,

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Speaker 1: I think Gronkowski is number one because I think he's

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Speaker 1: the greatest tight end in NFL history. Whoa, whoa. But

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Speaker 1: you don't feel comfortable basically with his injury history enough

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Speaker 1: that you would take Graham over him exactly. I think

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Speaker 1: if you were saying who's going to have the better

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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen season, I think you take a healthy

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Graham. Tony Gonzalez just came out of retirement again

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Speaker 1: because west said that he was so upset by the statement.

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Speaker 1: I welcome that Tony's not blocking. I call him Tony.

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Speaker 1: He's not blacking like Gronk. I think that's fair. And

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Speaker 1: you made a great point in the piece that you

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Speaker 1: said would be great to see what Vernon Davis could

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Speaker 1: do if he wasn't asked to block so much. I

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Speaker 1: think they could get more out of Vernon David. If

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Speaker 1: he was on the Patriots, I feel like he would

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Speaker 1: have closer to Gronk like numbers, Jimmy Graham lined up

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Speaker 1: outside or in the slot basically twice as much as

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Speaker 1: Vernon Davis. Last year, Vernon got asked to stay in

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Speaker 1: and block twice as much. And it's crazy that every

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Speaker 1: time they need him as a receiver, he pops up

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Speaker 1: and has a huge game, so you know he can

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Speaker 1: do it. The next level group Jordan Cameron, ju Leias Thomas,

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Speaker 1: Jason Witten, Heath Miller, Jamichael Finley. Let me just ask

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Speaker 1: you this West Entering. Let's say a year ago getting

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Speaker 1: the Dolorean, is Jason Witten in that first tier and

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Speaker 1: he dropped down or has he been in that spot

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years now? I would think he

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Speaker 1: would have been number one on the next level. I

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Speaker 1: think he's just he I don't think he takes over

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Speaker 1: games quite like Graham, Gronk and Vernon Davis too. That's

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Speaker 1: a big drop to me from the all I don't

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Speaker 1: think it would be like this at most positions. To me,

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Speaker 1: that's a huge drop from the top three of Graham,

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Speaker 1: Gronk and Vernon Davis to that next, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: I think tight end is like that in the NFL

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Speaker 1: right now, and Jordan Cameron is your number four tight end,

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Speaker 1: so you must be expecting quite a leap in production

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Speaker 1: for him this year. Not really. He was already the

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Speaker 1: second best tight end last year as far as numbers go,

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Speaker 1: and he did it with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell

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Speaker 1: most of the year. That is a lot of Jordan

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Speaker 1: Cameron love, though, to be number four in the league.

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Speaker 1: That that jumped out at me that you would take

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Speaker 1: him over Julius Thomas and Witten or even even Heath

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Speaker 1: Miller who's in had a better year than Julius Thomas,

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Speaker 1: and he didn't have Peyton Manning throwing to him. He's

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Speaker 1: more He's more athletic than Julius Thomas. Cameron did disappear

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Speaker 1: for about five or six weeks because because Jason Campbell

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Speaker 1: didn't like throwing to him. You didn't even mention Brian Hoyer.

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Speaker 1: By the way, he only played Browns. Fans don't know this,

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Speaker 1: so I have to remind them. He only played just

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Speaker 1: over two games for the Browns. He is not football

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Speaker 1: messiah and Jeremichael Finley I do. I do like that

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Speaker 1: you continue to keep Finley in our thoughts, potentially a

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Speaker 1: football player next to his name, because he might never

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Speaker 1: play again. This podcast alone has kept Jemichael Finley's name alive.

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Speaker 1: We talked about him every time. Solid starters Kyle Rudolph,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Reid, Martellis, Bennett, Duyne, Allen, Dennis Pitta, Greg Olsen,

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Speaker 1: Charles Clay, Antonio Gates, Brent Sellick, Marcedes Lewis, and de

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Speaker 1: Laney Walker, Um Jordan Read and by the way, little

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Speaker 1: tease Wilco. That's an industry comment. Maybe it will come

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Speaker 1: up again a little later in the show. Looks so

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Speaker 1: over this, uh read will come up a little later

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Speaker 1: in the show. West. You have him right on the

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Speaker 1: precipice of the next level. Oh yeah, he could. He

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Speaker 1: could easily be in the next level if not for

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Speaker 1: the concussion issue. Right looking at this list, I just

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Speaker 1: want a little more consistency out of Mr Wesley how

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Speaker 1: the boss laying down some heat. Just it was just

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Speaker 1: a week ago that we're in here, or maybe it

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Speaker 1: wasn't even on the podcast, and you're arguing with me

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Speaker 1: that it's so crazy to put lar Darius Green out

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Speaker 1: of Antonio ahead of Antonio Gates, one of the greatest

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Speaker 1: tight ends in NFL history. He's you know, he's in

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Speaker 1: Green's way. And this is a guy in Antonio Gate

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Speaker 1: that you ranked behind Charles Clay. That's the level of

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Speaker 1: his career that you believe Antonio Gates is at that

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Speaker 1: He's not even a top ten tight end. YEA. So

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Speaker 1: how is that a problem for lar Darius Green for instance, White,

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not the one deciding who plays how many

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Speaker 1: snaps the Chargers are so if you were, if you were,

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Speaker 1: you would put Green on the field because I was

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Speaker 1: like Green on the field. Yes, as much as Gates

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Speaker 1: Gates was third in the NFL and yards last year

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Speaker 1: and fourth and receptions among tight ends, then why is

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Speaker 1: he behind Dennis Pitta and Charles Clay? Because this is

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Speaker 1: why I don't like doing numbered list because people don't

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Speaker 1: actually read the analysis. They just look at the numbers

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Speaker 1: and then they're down. Are one of those people? Gates

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Speaker 1: in the first five games of the season average six

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Speaker 1: and a half receptions in ninety yards, okay, and then

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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen emerged as the go to receiver and from

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Speaker 1: Week five to the end of the season, Gates averaged

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Speaker 1: three catches in thirty five yards the rest of the way.

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Speaker 1: That's fair, which looks like a guy who's on his

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Speaker 1: last legs. But you put him behind guys with major

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Speaker 1: injury issues last year, like Pitta and Duyne Allen. Jordan

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Speaker 1: Reid's got some injury questions charged. I guess it's really

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Speaker 1: just seeing in any list form the name Charles Clay

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Speaker 1: ahead of Antonio Gates gives me that he was on

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Speaker 1: the top of I like him as a player or not.

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Speaker 1: Not like Charles Clays ascending a turner. Gates is declining,

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Speaker 1: And that's when you make a list entering a season.

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Speaker 1: You have to factor. How about this, Charles Clay is

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Speaker 1: an a side changing number. You want to be a

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Speaker 1: tight end, you want to be respected in this league.

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Speaker 1: What is he right now? Like twenty nine or something? Come,

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Speaker 1: you know, I got the eighties. I believe he's forty two.

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Speaker 1: Charles Clay's numbers, I think I know. I'm pretty sure

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Speaker 1: you're right, And don't hit me with a knocking. Duyne Allen,

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Speaker 1: you know, but you you're knocking guys for injuries like Gronk.

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Speaker 1: You know injuries are a factor with Dwayne Allen coming

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Speaker 1: off big injury now and now and worked in the

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Speaker 1: in the off season. Though he from all over everything

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Speaker 1: we've seen, he's healthy. Gronk hasn't yet worked in practices.

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Speaker 1: Number one on this solid starters list is Kyle Rudolph

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Speaker 1: and with North Turner arriving in town, the tight end Messiah,

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Speaker 1: I could see him. What happened the last time we

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Speaker 1: saw him with a real quarterback Rudolph? Yeah, he won

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl MVP. I was gonna say never, but

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Speaker 1: I forgot the program. I'm surprised West that you cite

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Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl statistically in any way. No, it's just

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Speaker 1: a way to it's a way to point out that

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Speaker 1: he's had Christian Ponder throwing him his whole career. Al Right,

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Speaker 1: here's the category potential verse productions on again. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: say it again, this Chris Westling list. He just digs

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Speaker 1: in and if you're not reading it, you're not all

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Speaker 1: the way in plugged in on the NFL potential potential

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Speaker 1: verse production la Darius Green as we spoke of Jared Cook,

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Speaker 1: Tyler Eifford, zach Ertz, Rob Housler, Kobe Fleiner, Garret Graham,

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Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Michael Rivera, Gavin Escobar, Luke Wilson, and Vance McDonald. McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Now we're starting to get it into a little dicey terrace.

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Speaker 1: All these guys are young guys that are obviously talented

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Speaker 1: but haven't consistently produced in the NFL yet, And that

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Speaker 1: includes Jared Cook, who really isn't all that young anymore.

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Speaker 1: But I think Gregg has been calling him a tease

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Speaker 1: for five years. Now. Think about what he did, I

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Speaker 1: believe in Week one last season and set fantasy owner's

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Speaker 1: hearts of flutter, and then he just disappeared as wilk

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Speaker 1: nods and sadness as a fantasy producer. Well, we did

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Speaker 1: talk about Jared Cook endlessly last year for that very reason,

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Speaker 1: and if you had you had some of these minds

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Speaker 1: helping him produce podcasts, you would say Ared Cook's been

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Speaker 1: a disappointment in seven years running. He leads the league

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Speaker 1: in off season articles, But what have you done for

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Speaker 1: me lately? And zach Ertz, I believe, if I could

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Speaker 1: jog my memory to a couple of days ago, which

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Speaker 1: it might be impossible, was a making the lead candidate

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Speaker 1: via Mark Sessler. So we'll see if he can move

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Speaker 1: up on this list a year from now, diminishing roles.

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Speaker 1: All right, this is the guys. These are the guys

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Speaker 1: that we're starting to we're starting to slip out of

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Speaker 1: the radar of society. Brendan Pettigrew Owen, Daniel Zach Miller,

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Speaker 1: Jermaine Grisham, Gresham, Scott Chandler, Timothy Wright, Brandon Myers, come by,

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cumber it all the way down here. How dare

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Speaker 1: you was? And Anthony Fasano come be, come on, I

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Speaker 1: got I got hate tweet from a Jets fan, insisting

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Speaker 1: that Comby's role will not be diminished despite the drafting,

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Speaker 1: despite the presence of Jason r. A. They will just

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Speaker 1: run two tight end sets and take advantage of companies

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Speaker 1: uh playmaking ability. I will say this, this is what

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Speaker 1: we need to keep in mind, is that and Rich,

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Speaker 1: the media who we referenced earlier, earlier, who is one

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Speaker 1: of the best big guys in New York reference that

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is basically coming from a system at Texas A

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Speaker 1: and M where he it was kind of a wide

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Speaker 1: opened it wasn't a true NFL offense, and now he

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Speaker 1: has to learn the details of at this level and

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Speaker 1: he looked pretty slow at coming together during the off

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Speaker 1: season program. So to assume that he's immediately going to

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Speaker 1: be a plug and play guy, I'm not yet convinced. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: Cumberland has the trust of the coaching staff. He's made

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Speaker 1: some plays in the past. I'm telling you, do not

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Speaker 1: sleep on the company. An NFL team uses a top

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Speaker 1: fifty pick on a tight end, it means the other

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Speaker 1: tight end your roster is about to lose his rule.

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Speaker 1: He might see there might be some two tight end sets.

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Speaker 1: Remember the Jets. The jets number two wide receiver right

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Speaker 1: now might be Stephen Hill. I'm just telling you what

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Speaker 1: the what the Jets are telling us is Jeff Cumberland

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Speaker 1: is not a viable We're getting coming. This is the

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Speaker 1: best coming anyway. Welco's doing a great job with these drops.

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Speaker 1: You better watch out. You're kind of like Andrew Ceciliano

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Speaker 1: hosted nfl AM. You don't want to do two good

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Speaker 1: a job. Well, you might you might be coming back.

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Speaker 1: I've been on a m duty this week football. There

640
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Speaker 1: about nfl AM talk. Anybody who works on the chest

641
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Speaker 1: to get up at like one thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: PMS West does an awesome job with all these lists.

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Speaker 1: If I was doing the list, Jermaine Gresham seems a

644
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Speaker 1: little underrated. He's a good player. He's with some stiffs here.

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Speaker 1: We we always say we don't we don't take pro

646
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: football focus his gospel. I believe the only tight end

647
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 1: ranked lower on their list was Ed Dixon than Jermaine Gresham. Wow,

648
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Speaker 1: you know you're getting desperate when you're citing PFF stats.

649
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: That's Wesleyan's last rest the great PF Qualifier talk Finally,

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Speaker 1: impact rookies, Eric Ebron, who I think could do something

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Speaker 1: this year tomorrow as we spoke about with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: Austin Safarian Jenkins, Uh, Richard Rogers and Troy nick Class.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who that is. I don't a little.

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Speaker 1: Richard Rogers the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, who Greg and I

655
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Speaker 1: from our road World days believe might be the best

656
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: newspaper in the country as far as following their team

657
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: voted Richard Rogers the o t as m v P,

658
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: which is weird for a blocking tight end. Apparently he's

659
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 1: catching everything. He plays all over the field, making one

660
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Speaker 1: handed catches. Uh. Maybe has a stranglehold on the job.

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Speaker 1: Ted Thompson knows what he's doing with mid round draft

662
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Speaker 1: for that Austin Sefarian Jenkins, who is a guy who

663
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Speaker 1: seemed very I was excited about coming into the draft.

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Speaker 1: You hear some not too good things about him and

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Speaker 1: Tampa that maybe he's not gonna have that bigger role.

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Speaker 1: Tell me more of this Troy nie glass fellow, he's uh,

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Speaker 1: he's been on the sidelines. He I think he broke

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Speaker 1: a finger or a thumb. Well, I hope he's okay.

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Speaker 1: Second round draft pick for the Cardinals. Okay, thank you

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Speaker 1: for the Oh, that's kind of a high draft pick.

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00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I should know that. A lot of Houseler Nicholas training

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Speaker 1: camp bat right out and I like that, and you know,

673
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Speaker 1: you never know what's gonna happen. All right, Finally, move forward, gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Good talk there again. Check that out in West one

675
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Speaker 1: or Greg. When will be the next positional rankings rollout by.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep doing this on Wednesdays, every Wednesday, a

677
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 1: new position. There are other feature we have ongoing right now.

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Speaker 1: Making the leap. We will start with number fourteen on

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Speaker 1: the list today. Texans wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins, entering his

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Speaker 1: second season. Second banana to Andre Johnson, probably. Chris Wessling

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Speaker 1: wrote it up on the NFL site, which you could

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Speaker 1: read at nfl dot com. Slash deal with the people

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Speaker 1: making the leap West, your thoughts on DeAndre Hopkins making

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Speaker 1: the leap? On all of these making the leap guys,

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Speaker 1: we have to say why they are on the list,

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Speaker 1: and DeAndre Hopkins case, I said, because we're thumbing our

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00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: collective noses at the idea of a recency bias. He

688
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: didn't do anything in the second half of the sea

689
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Speaker 1: and didn't score a touchdown. After Week eight, Texans season

690
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: descended into chaos. Their quarterbacks were terrible. They kept getting

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Speaker 1: pulled for one another because they were They just weren't

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Speaker 1: very good. Hopkins disappeared, but he won Rookie of the

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Speaker 1: Month in September after four games, was on pace for

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Speaker 1: eighty catches, almost eleven yards and five t d s.

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00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: He would have been an impact player already. He wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have been eligible for this list if the Texans had

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Speaker 1: better quarterback play last year. He's a guy we argued

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Speaker 1: about because I just wasn't sure when you read about

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Speaker 1: his struggles as a rookie whether he's got to overcome

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00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: those It's a tough thing to measure, but it sounded

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00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: like he struggled to pick up the playbook and really

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00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: be reliable in terms of them knowing where he was

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00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: going to be on the field. That he just wasn't

704
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: ready for that. And so that's that's something some receivers

705
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 1: never get over and at some times they just improved

706
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: dramatically in year two. The most impressive thing about him

707
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: was the Week two game against the Titans. Andre Johnson

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00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: got concussed and then the end of the fourth quarter

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Speaker 1: and over time, DeAndre Hopkins took over the game. He

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Speaker 1: finished with over a hundred yards. Shop found him for

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Speaker 1: five catches at the end of the fourth quarter in overtime,

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Speaker 1: and he just took over sideline catches, going over guys

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Speaker 1: jump balls in the end zone, and he basically put

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Speaker 1: the team on his back. And he's got to learn

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Speaker 1: another offense this year, but maybe he'll get a little

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Speaker 1: bit of an edge off Andre Johnson doesn't show back up.

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Speaker 1: The biggest obstacle was, well, I think learning the offense,

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Speaker 1: that's really his biggest obstacle. He said it. He already

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00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: came out and said it wasn't gonna be easy. He

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Speaker 1: struggled with that last year, that's his one any kind

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Speaker 1: of he had some mental mistakes last year's Greg reference

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Speaker 1: to that that Titans game was kind of a microcosm

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Speaker 1: of the season. He couldn't really escape from man coverage

724
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Speaker 1: for three and a half quarters and he and he

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Speaker 1: broke the wrong way on a pick six to alter

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Speaker 1: On Verner. So that kind of like his season was

727
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,319
Speaker 1: filled with errors and big plays. So that kind of

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Speaker 1: tells you where he's at. We want to do some

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Speaker 1: slash line over under seventy catches go slightly under. I

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Speaker 1: could see six sixty five to sixty eight somewhere in there. Correct. Oh,

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Speaker 1: definitely under seventies big for a guy who I think

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Speaker 1: is gonna make his money with big plays, not with

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Speaker 1: ten yard catches. One thousand yards over under. I'm definitely

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Speaker 1: not buying that. Eight touchdowns under. You always pick a

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Speaker 1: big touchdown number. It's tough to get eight touchdowns as well,

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Speaker 1: says it's not predictive. But just like now, he and

737
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: he's a guy who his talent leaps off the screen

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Speaker 1: and he could be a guy they throw it a

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Speaker 1: lot too, So Greg for everyone, just as a recap

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Speaker 1: Greg's numbers for Hopkins twelve catches, two hundred three yards

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Speaker 1: and a touchdown that caught on a deflection. Touchdown numbers

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Speaker 1: kind of interesting because Kubiak was always one of the

743
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Speaker 1: most conservative NFL coaches in the red zone, always ran

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Speaker 1: the ball, and shop was always one of the worst

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00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: red zone quarterbacks in the NFL. So it'd be it

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Speaker 1: would be interesting to see what happens with UH. With

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Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien cole in the plays Hockey is a prototypical

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Speaker 1: red zone receiver. He's got huge, strong hands, great leaping ability,

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Speaker 1: and he can towards his body like UH Brandon Lloyd.

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Speaker 1: And of course all these assumptions are predictions that we're

751
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Speaker 1: making are based on Andre Johnson being on the other

752
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Speaker 1: side of the field taking on double teams and all

753
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 1: that stuff. We were we can assume he's going to

754
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Speaker 1: be in the mix. I mean, that's the only way

755
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: to look at it right now. And if he's not

756
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Speaker 1: in the mix, I would expect better numbers for Hopkins

757
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 1: that it would definitely be a greater challenge for him,

758
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: but they have yeah, they have no one to throw.

759
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: It's a receiver here. It would be a greater challenge.

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00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: But his best play of the season came when Johnson

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Speaker 1: was sidelined with the concussion. That's a fair point good

762
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Speaker 1: job by us. All right, let's move on to number

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Speaker 1: twelve on the list, Washington Redskins tight end Jordan Read,

764
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Speaker 1: who we discussed earlier. He was listed under Westling's preseason

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Speaker 1: rankings as a solid starter with the potential to rise

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Speaker 1: into the next tier. And you know what, I think

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00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: that's a very accurate summation of where Read's at. He

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Speaker 1: last season with the Redskins, he was one of only

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Speaker 1: two receivers that r G three really had any trust with.

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Speaker 1: It was Garson on the outside to add thirteen catches,

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Speaker 1: and then Reid who did a lot of damage in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the field. And it was a pleasant

773
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Speaker 1: surprise for a third round pick out of Florida who

774
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: instantly hit the ground running as a guy that wiped

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Speaker 1: Fred Davis off the map in in Washington and was

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Speaker 1: making plays on a weekly basis until Week eleven, where

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Speaker 1: he suffers a concussion. That turns out we learned after

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Speaker 1: the season that he had hit a prior concussion earlier

779
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Speaker 1: in the season and has had four since dating back

780
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Speaker 1: to his Florida day. So obviously that's the biggest thing

781
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: you're worried about. But as far as the skill level,

782
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is the real deal. He's been

783
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Speaker 1: compared to Prefelony Aaron Hernandez for a reason his speed,

784
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Speaker 1: his quickness, his power, uh, and also his ability to

785
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: move around be a movable chess piece for an offensive coordinator.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Reed is an excellent young player, and I believe,

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Speaker 1: and we believe collectively that he makes a light leap.

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Speaker 1: I like that you compared Hive to Prefelony. It's fay

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Speaker 1: to make sure people didn't think we're, you know, saying

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Speaker 1: he was a killer. The funny thing about that, Yeah,

791
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Speaker 1: the funny thing about that is when you do research

792
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: for these things, uh, you'll notice whenever the Aaron Hernandez

793
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: comparison comes up, the writer just feels obligated to say,

794
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: on the field, Aaron her name is as if he's

795
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: referring to what happens outside nightclubs and balls continue. Well,

796
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: he's from Florida and he he shares some of the

797
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: same joker tendencies chess peace tendencies, and that's why he

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Speaker 1: gets there Hernandez things. But I've I've got another comparison

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Speaker 1: for him laid poor Man's Antonio Gates interesting. That is

800
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Speaker 1: he that physical? You know, one of the things that's

801
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Speaker 1: the question. I think. I don't know if he's quite

802
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Speaker 1: as physical. That's why I said poor Man's, but I

803
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Speaker 1: think he's as athletic as Gates. Jake Gruden did say that,

804
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: you know, blocking was something that he still needs to

805
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: get better at. But he has the ability to be

806
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: a cable guy. But let's be honest, and this guy

807
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 1: is in the lineup for one reason. It's to be

808
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Speaker 1: that big red zone target, the guy in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the field. And I think the addition of the

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Speaker 1: Sean Jackson even makes makes things even better for Read

811
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Speaker 1: even though Griffin obviously has another target now. But you're

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00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna have Jackson running the vertical threats, You're gonna have

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Speaker 1: Garzona doing his thing, commanding attention. That could leave the

814
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Speaker 1: middle of the field wide open for a guy that

815
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: was born to roam through that area. And to me,

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Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he is a guy that can become

817
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl level talent this year. I love his talent.

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00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: I like him a lot more as a player than

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Speaker 1: Zach Ertz, who was just on our list, and even

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. I trust reads talent a little more, but

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Speaker 1: I think there's two major problems. We We mentioned the

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Speaker 1: concussion thing in passing, but he said that for two

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Speaker 1: months after he had this concussion, he was wondering if

824
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,240
Speaker 1: it would ever go away. So that's a significant injury

825
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: risk and something to worry about. Greg Rosenthom, gonna need

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Speaker 1: a little more consistency out of you on the concussions.

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Speaker 1: You can't just throw that in there. He has a

828
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Speaker 1: significant injury concern and he's had other injuries. And the

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Speaker 1: other thing is, I'm not sure it's a good thing

830
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Speaker 1: going from Kyle Shanahan to Jake Gruden. Just seeing what

831
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,239
Speaker 1: Kyle Shannahan point and that offense has done with tight ends,

832
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: and then see what Jake Gruden is doing with tight ends,

833
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's gonna be great for read.

834
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Speaker 1: All right, let's do some slash over under fun one

835
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Speaker 1: more time. You want us to throw it out? Uh? Yeah,

836
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Speaker 1: throw it out. That's good, that's fun. I like that

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Speaker 1: over under fifty two catches over. I'm bullish, So yes,

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00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: you over under seven yards? Oh yeah, over, I'm going

839
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: over because I don't want to root for an injury.

840
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Speaker 1: If he's healthy, I think he's definitely getting that over

841
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 1: under six touchdowns. We're bullish on Georgie. I'm gonna go

842
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: under because I'll say under for all touchdown. And for

843
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: the record, I even I threw this out to the

844
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Speaker 1: guys yesterday downstairs. I wrote a seventy one eight slash

845
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Speaker 1: isn't crazy talk? If this kid stays healthy, that was

846
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: just gonna second best slash in the in the NFL

847
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: behind Jimmy Graham last year. And I think he has

848
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: that ability. Actually before he got hurt this week, six

849
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Speaker 1: through eleven h he had more catches than any tight

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Speaker 1: nuggets from Kansas in Western Yeah, that's that's how it is.

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Speaker 1: So good luck to you, Jordan Reid, because you know,

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Speaker 1: It doesn't manage it unlucky to tell you got the

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Speaker 1: Ian Dark. Awesome name. Someone in the blue room, our

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Speaker 1: All right, So that's it for Thursday's edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the League podcast. We will be back on Monday,

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Speaker 1: and I think Mark Sessler will be back with us,

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Speaker 1: so that's a good thing. We'll have the heroes altogether.

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Speaker 1: It depends on if TD is here or not. I'm

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Speaker 1: so we'll see. We'll see. Nigeria. I believe advance, which

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Speaker 1: we're in capable hands. I'll tell you that, buddy, appreciate

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Speaker 1: that before we sign off. Also, I want to mention

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Speaker 1: the Fantasy Live show NFL Network Home Man. We got

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Speaker 1: one more show July tenth, and then we start up

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Speaker 1: on NFL dot Com August eleventh and produced by who

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Speaker 1: not me actually, but in the structure. You're you're in

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Speaker 1: the structure, and that's important. Okay, that's it. Dan Hans

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Speaker 1: Like why I have so many like segments for Fantasy Live.

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