1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: The black Market is an initiative created by eighty five 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: South Media to highlight, amplified and showcase leaders, entrepreneurs, and 3 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:16,080 Speaker 1: educators from our community. The show tapes monthly at our 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,600 Speaker 1: studio in Atlanta, Georgia. To submit you or your organization 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: for a consideration called eighty five South show dot com 6 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Backslash black Market. We're starting my mother fucking clock putting 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: numbers on the clock. I'm putting numbers on the lover 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: fucking clock. Numbers on the clock, Clocks on the numbers. 9 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a hot summer. Your dance, women, you 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: gotta dance with your shoes. If your shoes this dirty. 11 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: Come on, I really had an old chicken ning with Shirley. 12 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,680 Speaker 1: Her hair was kind of shocking, kind of currently smoothie 13 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: rubbing on their legs, not of Botley. Mike, go dancing. 14 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: There's no chance and no road dancing. Man, hold up, 15 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: hit the brakes. Go BET's rat skates said, hold on, 16 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: hit the brakes, you'll beat drying skates. That's what she do. 17 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: She doesn't have a car, she doesn't have a towel. Yeah, 18 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: that's just how we're living over here. Man. I'm talking 19 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: about real black. I'm talking about like at your mama house, 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 1: that grease that sit on the stove all the time. 21 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: That's how black we are. I'm talking about. I'm talking 22 00:01:50,160 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: about that Christmas when you know you ain't getting ship black, right, 23 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about getting whooping at the barbershop. Black. You're 24 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: not black? People got to be cat, bring me my 25 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: change back black. Yeah, this ship right here, this ship 26 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: is for all the people who get to work before 27 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: your partners and clock them into it. Yeah. This is 28 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: supposed to be the summer that Hunching came back out. Cat. 29 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: You know that right now, This summer was supposed to 30 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: be the summer Hunching was supposed to make his comeback. 31 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard. We've got to make 32 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: some ship happen, y'all almost ready. I've been telling how 33 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: your energy about saying that wemm to the trap spot traps. 34 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard. I don't know if 35 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: you know. I don't know if you're privy to the information. 36 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: But right now the black market is opening. Man. We 37 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: got We've got somebody real dope and cool and hit 38 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: with us. Man, you know what I'm saying, Just to 39 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: throw a few titles out. You know, it's digital media 40 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: content creator. You know, very well established journalists, writer, documentary, filmmaker, 41 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: cool mass nigger who always on the scene. He always 42 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: know what's going on. I see the nigga on Twitter 43 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: talking ship all the time. He like I like hit 44 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: like my most ghetto tweaked. Then some political ship that 45 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: was like what do this nick going in? Hey, ladies 46 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Welcome to the trap, my man, touring walker, 47 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 1: how do you do my tim good Man, Welcome to 48 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: the trap once again. Formerly, how you been I've been, 49 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:24,680 Speaker 1: good Man? Now at the world starting to open up, 50 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, and getting my gut here and breathed a 51 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: little bit more. What you've been up to? Oh man? 52 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: Um really just getting back into um doing my journalism again. 53 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: I had to do a lot of things remotely and 54 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 1: I was getting on my nerves. And now I can 55 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: go out actual see people face to face on doing 56 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: that again. That's good. Yeah, what type of journalism you've 57 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: been up to? Doing this this pandemic, doing a lot 58 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: of interviews. Um. I managed to connect with some people 59 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: who have been um rocking with the things I do, 60 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: and so I set up since I couldn't go out 61 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:56,160 Speaker 1: there do interviews anymore. I set up a Context Media 62 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: website channel and YouTube channel, so I just started doing 63 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: zooms and talking to people about some of the things 64 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 1: that we were cared about. Bro, black journalists out here 65 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: be catching hell. Well, we saw you a lot of 66 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: press conference were you know the old president, he just 67 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: ignored the black lady questions most of the time. Yeah, 68 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,279 Speaker 1: but you know what, you gotta expect that from somebody 69 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: like that. I think what people have to really pay 70 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: attention to is being Um. Where are people who pretend 71 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 1: to be your friend and when in vite you win 72 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: and still don't ask you a question? But that's not 73 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: let you damn bro. I never even knew that black 74 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: journalism was that hard. Maybe all the black journalists should 75 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: just focus on investigative reports. Then no, you know you 76 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: got you got black journalists in every different genre of journalism. 77 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: It's just that the ones that tend to get more 78 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: shine are the ones who do more sensationalism. Like you know, 79 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: celebrity meting is always gonna sell. You're never gonna get 80 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: tired of that shit. I did work. I'm tired of it. 81 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't give a ship people regular as hell if 82 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: you look at it. Yeah, but you know, most people 83 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: like that stuff because you know, it's sensational and it's 84 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: it's just like watching reality TV. You know that stuff 85 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: be eat it up. Yeah, and there's a place for it. 86 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 1: But it's so problem that you can't really move anywhere 87 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: else on that. That's real. I mean, I guess there's 88 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people who thrive up the celebrity gossip 89 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: and ship, whether it's real or fake. I guess it's 90 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: just the illusion of somebody living a better life than 91 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: you that makes them feed into that ship. Well, you know, 92 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: it's an escape for some people. And you know, it's 93 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: nothing wrong with going on and taking a look at 94 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: what's going on with somebody for a while, you know, 95 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:35,720 Speaker 1: for a couple of minutes, and they're moving on to 96 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: something else. But because there's so much of it and 97 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: they keep pumping that stuff out on a daily basis, seven, 98 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: you can't. You don't rut for nothing else. I mean, 99 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: there is, but they don't want to do that. Yeah. Man, 100 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: you get you your work feeding in the book about 101 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 1: cyber bullying. Mm hmm. You think that's real. I think 102 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: it's real to the point where you gotta understand, there's 103 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: a lot of people, there's a whole generation that grew 104 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: up online and they don't know anything else. And there's 105 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: a lot of people who don't really have any sort 106 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: of outside stimulus outside of being online all the time. Literally, 107 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: when you go outside, you see people all that, You 108 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: see kids and strollers like doing this. They don't know 109 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: anything else. So if your world is in there and 110 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden you say something to somebody doesn't 111 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: like and then they create this mob that attacks you, 112 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: then you stop. A bullying is really at that point 113 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: now if you're eighteen up, Yeah, I don't really believe 114 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 1: in it that much. You can always turn them, you 115 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: can always cut your phone off. I think I've been 116 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: bulleted by every demographic of people out there on social media. 117 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: I think I probably have individually upset. Except the Indigenous people. 118 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: They let everything sla. You know what, if you have 119 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: any kind of presence on social media, anything you say, 120 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna make somebody mad at some point, I know. 121 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: So you can either end up being so wishing watching 122 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: that you don't stand on anything, or you can just 123 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: be who you want to, just keep it moving, def 124 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: find something that's to be mad. About in the day 125 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: or so. It's crazy people really think that you give 126 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: a funk about their opinions. Some people do, you know. 127 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, some people are so tired into 128 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: social media and they're so tired into being in the 129 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: cyber world that they really do believe it. Some people don't, 130 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: but they pretend that they do because it looks good, 131 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: just like some people pretend to care about certain causes 132 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: and they really don't. You know, Yeah, I ain't wanted 133 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: them people. There's a lot of ships in this world 134 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: that needs saving. But I think we got to save 135 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:28,119 Speaker 1: the black people first. You know, that's a controversial opinion, 136 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: depend on who you ask. Don't give a fuck. These 137 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: people ain't gonna do that. We gotta say the black people, man, 138 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: Black people are fucking I don't even know what the 139 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: county is right now. I know it's a lot of 140 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: us left, but leave us alone. We've got another ship 141 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: to worry about. We got the save us man. Everybody 142 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: else save themselves. They keep saying that that's the way 143 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: to go, So we're just go ahead to save ourselves. 144 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 1: But you know what, you go to every other um demographic. 145 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 1: Everybody else knows that except us Yeah, we're supposed to 146 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: get everybody's life or serving. We're supposed to come save 147 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: everybody else. But when it's time for us to get something, 148 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: we get nothing. Yeah, we need some ship too, We 149 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: need a lot. Yeah, just like you know, like some 150 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: basic civil human rights. You know, we still just need 151 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: we go out. We probably got about thirty or forty 152 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 1: most civil rights we gotta get. Then we can start 153 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: like really enjoying some of this ship. And they cheated 154 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: us out a lot of them. Yeah, well, America's gonna 155 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: always be America. That's not gonna change. I feel yeah, 156 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: I feel you. But at some point some ship gonna 157 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: change out. Were just old enough to see it. That's 158 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:37,080 Speaker 1: the cold ship, Like I don't know, you know, there's 159 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: no way, there's no way to determine that. You know, 160 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: there's people, you know, two years ago in the field 161 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: who thought they would never get any further than that, 162 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They were fighting, they would 163 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,599 Speaker 1: run away, but they only trying to run away for 164 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,959 Speaker 1: their own freedom and try to take care of the 165 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 1: individual needs. They never thought that they see people who 166 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: were black lawyers and black doggors or you know, black 167 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: politicians or black people who ran corporations, you know what 168 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: I mean, you may not see them, maybe think we 169 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: got enough of them. Yet some of them people are 170 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: so disappointed because they get on TV and you'd be like, oh, 171 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: they're those kind of black people, and so it's kind 172 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: of like they're not even that. There's a lot of 173 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,719 Speaker 1: misrepresentation out there. Just I don't think we should just 174 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: have to accept people just because of like on our behalf, 175 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,959 Speaker 1: just because of that, if they don't have my interests, 176 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,599 Speaker 1: you know, on the forefront, then they just they're just 177 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: as bad as the mothers he's trying to replace. We've 178 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,839 Speaker 1: got a real bad habit of doing that though. We 179 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: get caught up in the idea of representation and because 180 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: somebody's black that they and they look like us, that 181 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 1: they're going to take care of us. But I think 182 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: we just have been having a whole lot of the 183 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: wrong kind of black people put into positions that we 184 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: wanted to see real black people here. Well, if you 185 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: try to be a real black person, you're not gonna 186 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 1: get that far unless you high you war until you 187 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:49,079 Speaker 1: get into a position where you can do what you 188 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: want to do exactly. Man. But it's a certain level 189 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:56,119 Speaker 1: of realness. They've got to be in anybody in any profession. 190 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: You just can't go along and get along with everything. 191 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 1: Yeah you can. That's not healthy though, That doesn't that 192 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: doesn't that's not progress. If you just accept anything and 193 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: let anything be, then what are you doing? Take care 194 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: of the Wallerson Well, I mean that's you know, that's 195 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. People gotta get out of this idea 196 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: that just because somebody looks like you're there for you, 197 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? A lot of people say 198 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: everything that people say, stuff that sounds good, and they 199 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: say things that they think people want to hear, but 200 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: they're out for the bottom line. It's just that. That's 201 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:29,839 Speaker 1: that's it, and that's the corporation of how most of 202 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: this ship works. You gotta look out for that bottom 203 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 1: line journalism some of the worst than that. Mm hmm, 204 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: Like what are some of the things that you have 205 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: to because you have the experience on that side of 206 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,839 Speaker 1: the journalism, they know that the public may not be 207 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 1: privy to all. Right, Um, I started out in journalist 208 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: and working for mainstream news. I work for humpetson posts, 209 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: I work for a couple of the mainstream afarts And 210 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: what is that experience, like because sometimes huppings and post 211 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,079 Speaker 1: their posts some great ship and then sometimes you'd be like, 212 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: who the funk let this come out? You was letting 213 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: this ship come out? But you know exactly what I'm 214 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: talking about. Sometimes that ship would be so left like 215 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: who the fuck? Okay this and then it's a credible 216 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: news place too. It's like ship and post, y'all and 217 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: meant that one well, I'll tell you what my story 218 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: my experience was. I started writing for Helping the Post 219 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: right about the time when um, Mike Brown got killing 220 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: and ferguson. So the beat I was on was like 221 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: um basically it for like of a better term to 222 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: race meat. It was like because you know, like every 223 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: other week somebody was getting killed, you know, and there 224 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: was a story, and there was a protest and there 225 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: was uprising. So I was on a lot of these stories. 226 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: While that was a hot story, nobody was bothering with 227 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: me that much. But then once you started seeing those 228 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: court cases start coming the past, I wanted to start 229 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: trying to cover those, and that's when I started getting 230 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: pushed back because it was like it wasn't a hot 231 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: story to talk about what was going on in the courts. 232 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: It was a hot story to go out there with 233 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: a camera and you shoot people throwing stuff into police 234 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: and quote un court, setting stuff on fire and um, 235 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: doing all this, you're creating damage. They loved that, but 236 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: nobody really wants to talk about what happens after that. 237 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: You know, how cops get off after you know, they 238 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 1: basically can kill somebody in the street and walk out 239 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: with their gun and get not guilty verdicts. They don't 240 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: want to talk about that. So I had a lot 241 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: of pushing back with editors for that sort. They came 242 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 1: that and I had to deal with a lot of 243 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: editors who weren't really from the culture who were trying 244 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: to tell me how to talk about black people. What 245 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: was this? What were some of their pointers who? Um, 246 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: there was one time I wanted to um go into 247 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: the city. I'm not gonna say the city, but there was. 248 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: There were some brothers in the city who had been 249 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 1: doing the neighborhood watch. A lot of them were like 250 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: fresh out of prison, a lot of them are ex 251 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: gang members. Um, they didn't have any pedigrees, they weren't 252 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: from college and all the stuff. Then the street casts, 253 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 1: but they would make sure that these kids got to 254 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: school and keep out of light um from the drift. 255 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: The dealers in the hustle knew not messing with them. 256 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: Because these dudes are on the street. I wanted to 257 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: interview them, and they told me straight up, there wasn't 258 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 1: an interesting story. Basically told me, nobody wants to hear that. 259 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: What that? Well, these guys, we got to get them 260 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,079 Speaker 1: on the show. That's interesting as yever, but it's like, damn, 261 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: that's but what's the What is the goal of mainstream 262 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: media and news? From your experience, knowing that they think 263 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: that that type of ship is not important? What is 264 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: important um ratings. That's when they care about ratings, however 265 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: way they can get them. Even the news, especially in news, 266 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: news are what you want to call mainstream news are 267 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: hard news is a lost leader from most corporations. You 268 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: gotta understand, like most news that you get comes from 269 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: maybe two, three, maybe four corporations. Right now in the 270 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: United States, four major corporations control the news that you get. 271 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: So they're concerned about turning over money for their shareholders, 272 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: and they're concerned about getting ratings and whatever. They don't 273 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: really care. I mean, there's a certain level of fact 274 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: checking that has to go on, but they're more concerned 275 00:14:56,560 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: about getting to a story first and getting it right. 276 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: That's just the truth. If they can tell, if they 277 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: can see, they can get paid from a story about 278 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: somebody falling out in the street, they'll sell that, And 279 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: they don't get paid from somebody throwing a rock through billing, 280 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: they'll sell that. Okay, So what is it really then? 281 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: It's entertainment. So all the people who are watching the 282 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: news who think they're getting legit information, it's just simply 283 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: being entertained. Yeah, for the most part, there's exceptions, but 284 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: for the most part, you're just looking at the same 285 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: thing running over and over and over on the loop. 286 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: And then you get into black people and how people 287 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: were put on black people. That's a whole other animal, 288 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: like how do they report on black people or lack 289 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: there they were put on black people like the circus. 290 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: Basically if something like the circus, yea, you ever noticed, 291 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: like every time something happens on the block or there's 292 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:51,360 Speaker 1: a story that happens in the neighborhood is not up 293 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: a middle class. They found the wildest person they can 294 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: find on the street, and they put they put the 295 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: camera in front of them and let them talk. Yeah, 296 00:15:58,480 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, not to say that that 297 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: person doesn't have a valid point, but you know, he 298 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: gets somebody who's going at the food so they can 299 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: go viral, and they trying to find those people because 300 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: though I don't know, that's a good thing and a 301 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: bad thing. The bad thing is is embarrassed. The good 302 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: thing is these people tell you exactly what the funk happened. 303 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: I wanted to just get up the gun and I 304 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: came out, came out of the color run front of me. 305 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: I've ever got God came out. Now, that's embarrassed in 306 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: the fun but that man told you everything that happened 307 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 1: in that bitch and when the detail left out, I mean, 308 00:16:46,400 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: sometimes that's funny. Likember the guy, the guy who called 309 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: rescue the girls around the house a couple of years ago. 310 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: Oh man, that's some of the best. That's the one 311 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: the best ship that has ever happened. You see, people 312 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: love that did giveaway. The golden part of that interview 313 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: was when that man said, sosad, Yeah, just Ram, just man, 314 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: where is that footage Charles Rams over there with the 315 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: slick back real man, come on, you drop the Cigarett 316 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: out of here at one time to pick it up. 317 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: Come on, man, come on. He rescued the hell out 318 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 1: of them. Now he still ain't get everything he was 319 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: supposed to get for that. Yeah, and see that's the 320 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: other part of the two. When black people who moved 321 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: like that get to not the riding, they're not able 322 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: to capitalize on stuff like the way somebody who's white 323 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: or whatever does that because you see white people like 324 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: in the food too, and they're walk in the record, 325 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: they're walking the contracts, they're walking too, endorsement deals. I 326 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: wonder what Charles Rams have got, maybe more cigarettes. Well, 327 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know he really get the 328 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: real you know, the real like respect that he deserved. 329 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,919 Speaker 1: These people's lives right here. However, fun that the interview 330 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,479 Speaker 1: is like he still did a great thing. And then 331 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: like I said, like you said, it was here one 332 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,200 Speaker 1: day going the next. Yeah. So that's why I moved 333 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: out of mainstream meeting and started doing my own thing, 334 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: because I felt like, you know, after being on the 335 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: ground and watch our people are able to tell stories. 336 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, the technologist here, I can 337 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: do this myself. I don't really need anybody to help 338 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: me with this and I can say what I want 339 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: to say. That's where that's where technology is is pushing 340 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: everybody to go independent. Like, have you found more success 341 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: on your own terms as opposed to going in and 342 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: having to try to figure out what these people in 343 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the move for the day. Well, yeah, in a way, 344 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,159 Speaker 1: I mean I found successful whereas I have freedom to 345 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: be able to say what I want to say, and 346 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: I can fact check it myself, and I can put 347 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 1: it out and I don't have to go through a 348 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: lot of filters. But it's hard to do that by 349 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 1: yourself because you don't have to you're not plugged into 350 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 1: the apparatus were like, you know, I can toss CNN 351 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: or I can call UM and missing me see and 352 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: say hey, put this out, put this out. So what 353 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 1: kind of advice are you giving right now to the young, 354 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: up and coming life of journalists. Um, I don't normally 355 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: give you advice, but what I would say is everybody 356 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: has a story, and everybody's story is valid, and you 357 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: have a right to tell that story. And don't let 358 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: anybody who's not in your cuach, who doesn't know you 359 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: this way you from telling that story. I mean, everybody 360 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: has when everybody has a right to, you don't have to. 361 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: You have fifteen degrees to be able to tell somebody 362 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: stories and somebody trust you and he sit down with you. 363 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: That's all you really need as long as you don't 364 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 1: break that. You're good kind of what kind of literature 365 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,239 Speaker 1: with your point in two books so that may help. Um. 366 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: One book that I'm I'm a huge fan of and 367 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: has helped me out is um, Gordon Parks's autobiography, Gordon Parks, 368 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: Some dope man. Gordon Parks was doing stuff that Um 369 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: it's wild because some of the ground he was breaking 370 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: in the fortiest in the in the nineteen third is 371 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: being one of the few black photographers and journalists working 372 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: in mainstream media. His photography is so dope, just like 373 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: even without the context of you know his and it's 374 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,359 Speaker 1: just you can got all these books and should you 375 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 1: can just see rare images. Yeah, and he was really 376 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:08,959 Speaker 1: he was really instrumental and me can teach me how 377 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 1: about the powerment image? You know, you can you can 378 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: talk and you can write, but that's only going to 379 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: catch a certain amount of people. If you have video 380 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 1: and you have technology married together and you put these 381 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,879 Speaker 1: images together and you can show people what's really going on. 382 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: That's um, that's extremely powerful and that SA that's more 383 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 1: than just what you can write. M hm, well, ship man, 384 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: let them know where they can find you, what we 385 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: can what we can get some links to some of 386 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: your print media and things of that nature. Um, you 387 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:40,959 Speaker 1: can find me at the site context Media Group. That's 388 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: the website. All my social media is context Media and 389 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: you can find me Torn Walker mostly on Twitter. I'm 390 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: on that way more than I need to be. But 391 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: you see everything, Yeah, I see a lot, say a 392 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: lot too, but you know that better for worse. That's 393 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: where you can find my stuff. That's what's up man, 394 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: anything and leaving before we wrap it up, you got 395 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: a question after the last election, in the way that transpired, 396 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: where do you think the ethical code black wives? Now, 397 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: journalists gotta stop a lot of people not gonna like this, 398 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: but journal's gotta stop being groupings and start being journalists again. 399 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: There's too much. There's too much cheerleading on both sides. 400 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: If you're there to get the story, don't go there 401 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: to get the story. And I press these people, a 402 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 1: lot of these people. I know what you're talking about. 403 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: A lot of these people ran on I'm black, ski 404 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: we and all this type of stuff. If you're going 405 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: to go and beating these people's face, you need to 406 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: hit them a hard questions that don't take selfish be 407 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: a journalist. I'm probably not gonna get invited to the 408 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: White House dinner now, but I mean you are. They 409 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,439 Speaker 1: got a quota. All right, you're gonna be in there, man, 410 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: don't worry about that White House dinner. You're gonna be straight. Man. Hey, 411 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: the black market is open. Man touring Walker Hat class 412 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: out show We out of here. Get your journalism game together. 413 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Groups here. Yeah, my food is here.