WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Draft Paths 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:06.080 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:15.720 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:19.599 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World hours at the 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:31.440 start and now your hosts, I see a stand back, 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:39.080 Patrick Walker and Kyle Yeoman's. It's time for another offseason 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:43.000 edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company, 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:46.360 the official coffee of the Dallas Cowboys. Welcome into the 0:00:46.479 --> 0:00:50.800 SWBC studios at the Star in Frisco. We're ready here 0:00:50.800 --> 0:00:53.960 over the next forty five minutes to run down everything 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:57.760 you need to know about the Cowboys offseason right here 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.080 from the world headquarters. Five of them things. Yeah, forty 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:02.960 five minutes, we got it all done. Chris being in 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.560 the back, we got Isaiah stand back, Patrick Nose Walker, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.760 I'm Kyle Yeoman's. How's everybody doing? Fantastic? Fantastic, old man. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:12.480 It's been a great week of sports, right it has. 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:15.760 It's been magnificent, awesome week of smoodness. Because you talk 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:20.200 about not only did March Madden has come to a conclusion. 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.840 We had both final fours, both of which were in Texas, 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:25.640 one in Houston for the men the women were here 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:32.000 in Dallas and it was awesome, unbelievable, super cool. I mean, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:35.360 you talk about Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese. There's controversy there, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:39.440 but honestly that's competitive. Oh yes, I just love watching 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:44.319 them every ounce of that trash both directions. Yes, two 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.120 of the best players, your trash man since win. Since 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.960 when is it a sin to talk trash talk your 0:01:49.000 --> 0:01:52.280 trash man? I don't know. This world is so sensitive now. 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:56.800 I'm sorry if you don't ye say the word that 0:01:56.840 --> 0:02:02.560 you want to say. A WFT solved. It's so I mean, like, 0:02:03.040 --> 0:02:04.920 I don't know what neighborhoods people grew up in, so 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.640 I can't speak to that of which they're they're culturally 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.400 inclined to um. But in my culture that I grew 0:02:12.480 --> 0:02:14.640 up in, and I'm not talking about raise some stuff 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.720 on culture, okay, environment and the environment I was in 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.360 right now. You talk smack and like I tell my daughter, 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.320 I told her in the middle of the game another day, 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:25.720 they were losing one zero and I saw nor your 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:27.359 hands started to go down and the rest of her team. 0:02:27.400 --> 0:02:28.959 I said, hey, hey, I called her out in the the 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.359 middle of the game. She turned looked at me, I said, 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:32.480 do you like the results? She was like, nah, Sai 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:36.240 didn't change it. Change it. If you don't like the results, 0:02:36.320 --> 0:02:38.680 change it. If you don't want somebody talking smack, change 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.080 the results. So they can't talk smack because guess what, 0:02:41.120 --> 0:02:44.400 people don't talk smack when they're losing. Yep, it's not 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:47.359 not what happens, you're right, right, So like talking smack 0:02:47.480 --> 0:02:50.519 is a it's a pride thing, and yeah, they're sportsmanship 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:52.560 and all the other jazz. You can talk smack and 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.840 still has shake hands and shake hands afterwards. But as 0:02:55.880 --> 0:02:59.360 long as we're competing between these lines, I ain't your friends. 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:01.640 It's on, I'm not your friend. And if me talking 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.679 smack gets in your head and brings your game down, 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.079 and guess what, that's strategy, Kyle. That's the exact point 0:03:07.120 --> 0:03:10.320 of talking smack. That's why let's see Michael Jordan talks smack. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.639 Tyger Woods talks smack. Charles Barkley talked all of the smack, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.000 all of these great competitors, Tom Brady talks, Aaron Rodgers. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.359 The list goes on and on, and it transcends genres. 0:03:22.400 --> 0:03:25.679 Go to formula one. How much trash talking GEPs? Oh yeah, 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:30.440 oh yeah, Nascar. I mean it transcends all sports. Trash 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.799 talking is a rite of passage. I tell my kids. 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:35.000 I trash talk to my kids when we're when we're 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:40.119 doing small things, trash talking here here, in here. Who 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:41.800 makes it to the car first, when we're going to 0:03:41.840 --> 0:03:44.320 the grocery store. You're so slow? Pick it up? Pick 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.880 it up. My thing is make sure you back it up. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.840 If you can back it up, man talking, And both 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:55.200 of those ladies could back it up about and even 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:58.560 more so, be able to and this is the big thing. 0:03:58.880 --> 0:04:01.880 Be able to take what you dish out. That's the 0:04:01.960 --> 0:04:06.120 key thing. So Caitlyn much respect to her, arguably or 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.960 maybe inarguably the best player in the country. Okay, she's 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.160 talking to Smack. She was the one doing it. Yeah, 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.280 you put it out. She was the one doing it. 0:04:14.320 --> 0:04:15.560 Put it out. You got to be able to take it. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:19.720 So kudos to her because with all of this, didn't 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:21.840 say yeah, Caitlyn didn't say a word. You know why 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:24.480 because she's a competitor and that gets it, and she 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.400 gets it. That's what comes with it. So if the 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:30.240 competitors get it, what is every what the spectators know, 0:04:30.520 --> 0:04:34.280 we're in concil culture. That's where we're in now, twenty 0:04:34.320 --> 0:04:38.360 twenty two, twenty twenty three, bottom cancel culture. So play 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.120 a sport and be good at it, and you understand 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:41.920 why talking a matter of fact, be good at anything, 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.080 and then you can't trash be good at business. Talk 0:04:44.120 --> 0:04:47.080 your trash about being good at be the best. Nervous 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.120 people who talk mess about spreadsheets. I'm telling you my 0:04:50.160 --> 0:04:54.960 spreadsheets better than her trash talk trash. Let's go, oh, 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.440 my sales fun, let's go. This wasn't exactly the road 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.479 I wanted to go down, but I'm glad I was down. 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:03.520 I'm gonna. I'm gonna I'm gonna do my job here, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.880 and I'm gonna translate it back to the Cowboys. You 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:08.640 said something what you said to your daughter. You said, 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:11.760 if you don't like the outcome, change it, change it. 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:14.480 In fact, change it. That's what the Cowboys are trying 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:16.920 to do. This offsets. They didn't like the outcome. The 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.200 Cowboys Nation did not like the outcome of what happened 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:22.800 against San Francisco. In the past, there's been a track 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.880 record of not change again, of just floating along. It 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:29.719 feels like that's different. It feels like that's come to 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.279 a it's come to a head, and you're like, Okay, 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:36.800 now now it's time to really over this exactly. Sounds 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.960 like they are over it. They were ready to roll, 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.840 which opens the door for the NFL Draft. And part 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:43.680 of the reason why I mentioned the great sports that 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.039 are happening because there was basketball, there was baseball coming back. 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.560 Opening Day was outstanding. The Rangers were killing it for 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:52.560 at least against the Phillies. Thank you Rangers. Yeah there 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:55.120 you go away. Yeah, all for you. They did it 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:59.279 for you. And then you had like IndyCar, NASCAR trucks, whatever, 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.080 you had, how much sports in Dallas? Stars clinching this 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:05.600 then Stars playoff, no doubt. But guess what, see, I 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:09.360 was right behind it. It's draft behind It's draft season. 0:06:09.440 --> 0:06:13.000 Being a first round yeah whatever, I'm not scared of 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.200 the krackings. Okay, we just won the last game we 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:18.599 played against you guys, That's okay, Okay, yeah whatever, the 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:28.440 we're not see there's the trash talk. But it's draft season. 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:31.080 All of this is happening. But it's still NFL Draft 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:33.520 season all the way across the board, and the Cowboys 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.160 are welcoming in prospects all this week I mean, we're 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.760 in the middle of thirty thirty business. We have fifteen 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.919 players across the way right now as we're speaking. I 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.080 walked by Will mcclay's office on the way in here. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.560 He's got a player in there. Dan Quinn's over there, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.039 whole scouting departments up, they're all running around, they're all 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:53.760 get walking around. It is an exciting time of years. 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:55.360 So with that being said, we're gonna talk a lot 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:57.120 of draft in this episode. We're gonna talk to some 0:06:57.160 --> 0:07:00.000 of the needs where the Cowboys could go, how much 0:07:00.040 --> 0:07:04.120 much of they covered their basis to allow themselves an 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.320 opportunity to go best player available. But we're gonna talk 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.680 about that later on. First, let's start with some news. 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:11.440 I can't wait for news and thothers because we've been 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:13.640 waiting on this news to come from. We have, and 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.680 it's not. The length of news and notes is not 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.960 as robust as it was past couple of weeks. Ursins 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.240 because the Cowboys were knocking it out the park the 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:23.400 last two or three weeks in the free agency. But 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:25.320 as things start to dwindle down, they only had a 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.640 couple of loose ends to try to tie up, one 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.840 of which Jonathan Hankins. We talked about last Tuesday that 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:33.800 the Cowboys were actively closing in on getting the deal 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:38.640 done with Jonathan Hankins, and one day later they did. 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:41.920 Jonathan Hankins is back with the Dallas Cowboys, resigned on 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:45.000 a one year deal. So the veteran, big body knows 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.280 tackle that devours two and three guys at one time 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.200 in the middle of that defensive line, he's back, and 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:56.360 that's fantastic for the Cowboys. Not to be understated, cannot 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:59.320 be overstated his importance on that line. So the Cowboys, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.520 they were so actively trying to get Carlos Watkins back, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.520 you can't keep them all. Carlos Watkins did have a 0:08:05.560 --> 0:08:08.600 deal on the table and he opted for a fresh 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.720 start with the Arizona Cardinals on a one year deal, 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.120 So they did lose Carlos Watkins. Stings a bit if 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:17.360 you understand the impact of Carlos Watkins in that it's 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:22.040 also bigger than his stat line. But the exclamation point 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.720 for me is Jonathan Hankins coming back on a one 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:27.120 year deal, which not only provides the massurance at the 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:30.680 nose tackle, it gives them a starter. I mean, they 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:32.880 have their starter back. At the nose tackle position. Yeah, 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:36.960 that's a starter. On defense, you added two starters via 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.360 trade with Cooks and Gilmore. Right now, if you had 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:43.560 to play a game today, you have every position covered. 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.480 You have every single position along the way. You got 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.600 your wide receiver corps, you got the running back hopefully, 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.560 I mean not today with Tony Pollard and the injury, 0:08:51.559 --> 0:08:54.079 but you at least have Ronald Jones. Who's somebody that 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.280 could happen. That's probably the one area, right we don't 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.839 know about you, but yet we'll find out, and the 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.040 goal is for him to come in and show himself 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.280 at left guard and hopefully be that for the Cowboys. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.360 But until we know, we don't know. So as we 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:10.679 have this conversation, we don't know. So that's still a 0:09:10.679 --> 0:09:13.760 gaping hole. And you've got your linebackers. The depth wise, 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.839 I think behind the moan, Clark, you ken a ton 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.640 of question marks. You got Laateen and you got the Moan, 0:09:18.679 --> 0:09:21.480 and those are your solids behind them. Obviously, Anthony Barr 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:24.360 remains a free agent. But you talk about Mollie Jefferson, 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.920 you know DeVante bond Harp. I mean, these are practice 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.960 squad guys, your bial Cox needs to step up and 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.559 show his game, and he understands that. Now he will 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.040 have a lot more time removed from that torn acl 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.520 the Cowboys are going to expect him to be an 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.560 impact player, but again that's still a question mark. The 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:43.199 only two linebackers that you're confident in right now is 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.120 Lating Vander Esch and the Moan Clark. So at the 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:48.560 top of your depth chart and linebacker, you're golden. You 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:51.440 feel fantastic. Once you get to LB. Three and below, 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.680 especially considering you lost Luke Gifford to the Tennessee Titans, 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:57.240 you're not feeling great. So that is a position as 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:02.240 well that needs to be addressed. Twenty eleven, thirteen, twenty fourteen. 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:08.560 Then you go to twenty twenty two. Every one of 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:11.000 those years the Cowboys took an offensive lineman in the 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:14.120 first round. Took an offensive lineman Tyler Smith. Last year 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.840 you would double dip, much like you did in twenty thirteen, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.679 twenty fourteen, you took Travis Frederick and Zach Martin. That 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:22.480 was a center that was a guard. Worked out pretty 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:27.520 darn good, didn't it. So are you I'm asking you, guys, 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:30.760 I know most of Cowboys Nation is okay with it? 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:34.360 Are you okay with taking a guard at twenty six 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:38.280 for the second straight year? Yes? Why is that because 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.320 you need it? Well, first of all, the guards you 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:43.160 took last year, it's technically your left tackle. It's gonna 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:45.040 be your tackle right, So if you look at it 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:48.040 from that perspective alone, you're not taking a card technical 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.679 back and back. You took your future left tackle and 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.000 then you hopefully you're getting your future left guard and 0:10:53.000 --> 0:10:56.160 you need it absolutely, and you need it, so I 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.640 know you guys have have kind of started diving in 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.480 and looking at these prospects like tray songs. Yeah, which 0:11:01.880 --> 0:11:04.440 which there's two names there, and we've mentioned this a 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.560 couple of times. There's two names there. Steve A. Villa 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.400 from TCU as one of the names, but probably the 0:11:09.440 --> 0:11:12.400 most likely name is Osirius Torrance out of Florida. Which 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.240 one of those two guys do you like better? One 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:18.640 of those Villa better? And and you know I'm a 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.480 record as saying that a few weeks ago, while Torrance 0:11:22.040 --> 0:11:24.520 was already getting some interest from the Cowboys at the Combine. 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:26.920 We confirmed that with him at the combine just and 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.120 we talked about it here recently you could go either way. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.000 Not be fine with that. Um. I think I'm fifty 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.480 one forty nine toward a Villa though, But I will 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:38.400 toss a third name in there, maybe not as a 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.360 first round but someone to consider after the first round 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.800 would be Mafi out of UCLA. UM. So that's an 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.240 interior offensive linement that the Cowboys might be interested in, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:50.600 probably at this point, if he's not already in the 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.160 building for the official thirty, might be before the draft runs. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.680 As as far as my knowledge goes, I do not 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.840 think he's ever thirty. Visit Mafia. We'll see, Yeah, we'll see. 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.760 But a name to keep an eye on, but not 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.480 for a first rounder. Something that sure after the first round, yea, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.240 But for first rounders, I'm fifty one forty nine a Villa. 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.080 It's something about that that that kid, that TCU kid. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.400 I just I love what he does. And this is 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.679 also speaking from you know, a dogs fan of Uga Lum, 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.960 and I know we did what we did to TCU, 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:23.880 But I was looking at guys like a Villa to 0:12:23.920 --> 0:12:27.240 see how they would performing, to see what their morale 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:29.360 would be, what their motor would be. Once the score 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.080 began to kind of get out of hand and he 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.360 just kept going, he kept motoring, he kept motorating. That's 0:12:33.360 --> 0:12:35.640 the kind of kid that you know you would want 0:12:35.840 --> 0:12:38.160 on your offensive line. He mass, he gets the job done, 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.520 he's not afraid to get his hands dirty, and he's 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:44.880 difficult to move. So I'm here for that. That's Antonio 0:12:45.040 --> 0:12:48.600 Mafiata Ucla a little. I like that because if you don't, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:50.880 if you don't go with one of those two guards 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:55.920 early Torrance or a Villa, you're probably pigeonholing yourself into 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.080 either trying to move a guy from tackle again or 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.960 you're taking a guy later. You're not gonna and the 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:04.319 guys later are not that great. I'm just gonna say 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.600 it how it is. The interior offensive linemen in this 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.800 class are not great. Do you have a problem or 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:15.600 concern with a mister Osiris Torrence's size. I have a 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:22.360 concern on the way that he played heavy. I don't 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.800 have a concern if he can continue to trim down 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:27.079 and to lean up, and he has been he played. 0:13:27.160 --> 0:13:30.320 His playing weight at Florida was listed at three forty six. 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.640 Three forty six is a lot for him to carry 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:36.680 on that frame because he's a big dude. Yeah, but 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.959 like not didn't move as well as Nate did. Let's 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.559 say it that way. He's down to three thirty as 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.320 late as the combine. So the last time he was 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.680 measured in officially he was three thirty. So he's already 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:52.280 dropped sixteen pounds, which is a significant difference. You can 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:54.680 see it in his frame. If he can continue to 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:56.800 lean up, I don't have a problem with it. What 0:13:56.880 --> 0:13:58.840 do you want to see him at the guard position? Wait? 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:06.240 Wise six five, now low three twenties school and I'm 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:08.679 I'm all in. Give me Osyrus Towns twenty six and 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:11.120 let's ride this puppy. Because he's a great run blocker. 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.600 It's whenever he gets in the press set pass sets 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.800 that he's kind of he labors. He's got heavy feet. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.520 You usually want to see quick feet, heavy hands. He's 0:14:19.520 --> 0:14:22.240 got quick hands, heavy feet, So it's backwards. You don't 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.760 want it that way. I want to see him trim 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.000 down a little bit. Maybe that'll help with the feet. 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.000 His power is there, he's got heavy hands, he's got 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:32.560 that that power. I think there's a way that he 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:34.920 gets better, and it's shift by leaning up. So yeah, 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:38.400 from conversations with Nate and other former officive alignment. It's 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.520 easier to teach run blocking, yeah, than it is to 0:14:41.520 --> 0:14:45.840 teach pass blocking. So if you have the ability to 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:49.320 pass set and have good feet and you're a big boy, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.480 it's a lot easier for your brand new office and 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.400 line coach to teach you how to go ahead and 0:14:53.440 --> 0:14:55.160 be a big, nasty and get down here and move 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.560 some guys out the way when it comes to the 0:14:56.640 --> 0:14:58.960 running game. So, if you had the choice, looking at 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:02.120 it from that perspective, I much rather have somebody who's 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.320 fully confident in their pass blocking abilities than in their 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:08.680 in their run blocking having to teach them how to 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:15.640 protect number four. Yeah, Torrence and Tyler Smith have a 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:19.120 couple similarities. I mean, Torrence is a bigger human than 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:21.880 Tyler Smith was, and he doesn't move as well as 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.760 Tyler Smith does, which kind of shows that he's going 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:26.920 to be a guard in the side. He's not gonna 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.480 play outside. He's not gonna play exactly. Put him in 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:32.160 a in a phone booth on on him right. But strength, 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:37.960 they have double plus strength plus plus strength, whereas movement wise, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.400 that's where there's a bit of a concern. So having 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.520 both of those guys is your future left side of 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.360 your offensive line. Does that concern you at all? Because 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.040 they're very similar in the way that they play. Does 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:51.600 that mean that you have just a full fledged weakness 0:15:51.680 --> 0:15:54.480 on that side of the offensive line for your future 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:57.080 moving into the next couple I wouldn't view it like 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:02.160 this simply because I'm I'm super confident in the athleticism 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:06.560 of Tyler and I feel like what we saw from 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.240 Tyler Smith in year one, as far as from an 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:13.280 athletic standpoint, that wasn't it like, there's there's more room 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.080 to grow there and that should terrify right bud. Wait, 0:16:16.600 --> 0:16:19.640 there's more, but that should terrify some opposing edge rushers 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.400 seeing this. You know, this young man going into year 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.320 two already having displayed the athleticism that he displayed in 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:28.400 year one, being able to flex in from guard to 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:30.480 left tackle and do whatever they need. And then at 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.040 left tackle, yes, he had some you know, some penalty 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:35.640 issues with his hands getting a little grabby, but once 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.200 he saw that penalty issue, I'm not worried at all 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:42.160 about Tyler Smith Smith's athleticism. I think that that would 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.920 help keep Torrance out of trouble. So I think those 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:48.720 two players would be great together. I'm still fifty one 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:51.280 forty nine on the Villa because of that particular thank 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.960 you for talking about athleticism. I think the Villa is 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.640 more athletic than Torrance. Yeah, I think he can move 0:16:57.720 --> 0:17:01.920 his mass better, quicker, and he has more control of 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.080 it at the point of a tech than Torrence. Now, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.160 does that mean that he's light years beyond I wouldn't 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.159 say that. I think the fifty one forty nine for 0:17:08.200 --> 0:17:10.560 me goes to the athleticism. But also because as we're 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:14.639 talking about, Torrance has too much mass right now, so 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:16.679 you don't want him to get too lean because you 0:17:16.680 --> 0:17:18.400 want him in the phone booth. But at the same 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.840 time you don't want him lumbering either, you know. And 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.920 as I'm looking at these guys, Torrance, when you think 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.240 about it in context, is actually smaller than a vila. Currently, 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:39.320 he's more stretched out versus a villa fives true store, 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:41.080 so he's more a compact. He's more of a fire 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:45.840 hydrant than even Torrance's. No, you're right, and if you 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.879 were to slim down with Torrance, it would even be 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.239 a little bit more so spread out. So yeah, and 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:53.359 I would agree with it moves better. I would agree 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:58.040 with you. I have easier to get underneath Torrance based 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.320 off a hype correct just same thing. So you're talking 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:04.600 about leverage then absolutely, Yeah. Yeah, you're talking about stuff 0:18:04.600 --> 0:18:06.399 in three thirty into a six three frame instead of 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.240 a six five frame. Yeah, it's a major difference. The 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:11.520 way the scouting report that I have on a villa 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.760 I said, athletic and versatile up front. Plays with a 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:17.480 strong base and does not get out muscled by anybody, 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.959 moves well for somebody his size, and has good balance 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.520 on the move. Footwork is clean, and he can seal 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:26.760 a block well whenever he's run blocking. Not polished with 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:29.440 his hand technique, so I'm not I wasn't impressed with 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.560 his hands whenever I was watching. I watched Georgia. I'm 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:36.320 just gonna let you say, go dogs go dogs. There 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:42.960 you go, Kansas, Michigan, Oklahoma. Yeah, I appreciate it, but yeah, Kansas, Michigan, Oklahoma. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:45.679 So I watched him against a couple different fronts, and 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:48.600 the strength is there, but his punch is often off 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.600 balance and inaccurate. Whenever he's having to reset his hands, 0:18:51.600 --> 0:18:54.560 he has trouble. So there was times when he gets 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:58.000 wiped away and think he has trouble resetting grabbing again. 0:18:58.840 --> 0:19:00.680 Are you more confident in getting out on the itche 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:07.960 getting out on running wise death? Oh that's tough, because 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:09.800 I think Torrance is a hell of a run blocker 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:13.280 and pulling pulling it, it would probably be a Vela. 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.720 There you go. I so I grade on a seven 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.200 point scale. That's what I've done, and it's different for 0:19:18.280 --> 0:19:20.040 each point is what I kind of feel like they 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.280 fit into from a rookie standpoint and then a developmental standpoint. 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.680 I have Torrance as a second round grade, which is 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.320 a five point nine. I have a Vila as a 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.879 second round grade. I haven't as a five point eight. 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:39.760 So it is right if either one of those guys 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:42.600 is a first round pick. I'm okay, okay, because especially 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:44.320 at twenty six we talked about it before, you have 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:48.119 a second eighty eighty to twenty first round grades on 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:50.640 your board, and depending on what they think across the way, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:53.000 they may think of Vela as the first round they 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.320 may think Torrance is a first round grade. I'm okay 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:57.720 with both of those guys. Are they my favorite player 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:00.960 across the board? Probably not. There's probably going to be 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:03.120 a first round player there. So that's when I think 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.600 the conversation would happen. But we'll continue to have the 0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:11.600 Avila and Warrens battle. Yeah, maybe don't. Let's talk about that. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:14.680 Let's talk about talking about we've hit the first round. 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.320 Let's talk about some later round picks. It's some picks 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.919 that might surprise you, some under the radar possibilities for 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:23.600 this Cowboys team when we come back right after this 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:28.760 on talking Cowboys. When you build, you start with the foundation, 0:20:29.080 --> 0:20:32.399 and homeownership is a foundation of a stable future. 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I was talking about the past set 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:03.679 ability of those Sirens Torrents, and I gave it a 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:05.760 bit of a knock because sometimes he does labor with 0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:11.800 the feat but through three thousand total snaps, he didn't 0:23:11.840 --> 0:23:15.280 allow a single or excuse me, I'm gonna take it back. 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:17.240 That was through his career. His career was three thousand 0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:23.440 snaps through his fifteen hundred pass blocking snaps. He had 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:28.159 zero career sacks allout. Now from it's from a guards position, 0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:31.760 so it's different. Remember guard guard sacks and tackle sacks 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:35.000 are completely different. There's important, but it is important to 0:23:35.040 --> 0:23:38.280 note that when he is in the game. There were 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:42.399 zero sacks allowed by him in fifteen hundred pass blocking 0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:46.480 sets throughout his Florida career. So that's that's what torrents. 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:50.480 So even though we're knocking his pass blocking, there's still 0:23:50.600 --> 0:23:53.040 a pretty darn good in the most mentalit guys in 0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:56.720 NFC East and the defensive line come from the interior. Yes, 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.440 they do, at least that's what we've been taught by 0:23:59.520 --> 0:24:01.920 Zach Martin. Thank you very much, Jack Martin. All right, 0:24:02.200 --> 0:24:04.840 let's talk about some of these second or third round guys. 0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.280 Day two. We're gonna hit day two here. Any position. 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:11.760 Let's say they do go offensive line in the first 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:14.760 what is the potential of what you could see in 0:24:14.760 --> 0:24:21.439 the second round? Linebacker? Okay, okay, fair. I wouldn't be 0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:24.520 mad at it. I would be very happy because what 0:24:24.640 --> 0:24:30.200 you know what, the Dallas Cowboys have positioned themselves very 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:33.359 well for the draft, and you gotta tell me about it. 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:35.800 In recent years, the Dallas Cowboys have went into the 0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.639 draft with gate being holes at multiple positions, Okay, that 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:43.280 they need to address through the draft, and there are 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:45.439 a couple of times that they covered their basis, but 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:50.160 you're right, starter wise, you didn't have them. Now they 0:24:50.200 --> 0:24:52.800 have been able to retain, as we just mentioned at 0:24:52.840 --> 0:24:54.440 the top of the top of the hour, they were 0:24:54.520 --> 0:24:58.440 able to retain majority of their starting roles. So now, 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:00.960 aside from the one officive line position that you can 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:04.320 address most likely at twenty six, now you're just playing 0:25:04.400 --> 0:25:07.480 with house money. Okay, you definitely need to address the 0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.159 linebacker position because of depth, right, but you guess what, 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:12.320 you have picks so that you can do that, right, 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.320 and you're not worried about it. You're not worried about 0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:18.439 getting your guy or a quality player with your second 0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:22.440 round picks. You have options. Okay, they're not stealing linebackers 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:24.800 like that in this draft. Okay, So you address your 0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:26.920 office a line and now guess what. Now, let's go 0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:29.320 ahead and grab ourselves a linebacker and then we could 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:32.040 just just see wherever else we want the next best player. 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:34.800 Hunting trade, you're just hunting at that point, right, I'm 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:37.880 just shooting whatever flies across my table. Okay, that looks good, 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:41.639 but you don't have a need beyond that point. Okay, 0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:45.439 you have likes, you have once needs, some totally different 0:25:45.440 --> 0:25:49.240 teams that need have needs going into draft. Multiple needs. 0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.480 Are in a bad position when it comes to the draft, 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.480 I believe, because now they're just watching your guys get 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.560 picked off, and then you get desperated, you get desperate. 0:25:56.119 --> 0:25:58.120 I feel like you could get and you're not wrong. 0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:01.199 And that preface this by saying, I would be completely 0:26:01.240 --> 0:26:03.399 fine if it was linebacker in the second round. I 0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:06.080 wouldn't bat an eye. I'd applaud because we just talked 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.320 about the depth issue behind behind him on Clark and 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:14.120 late Vanderium. But I would also be pleased if it 0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.920 were a tight end being selected in the second round. 0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:21.000 And here's why. And for those that are saying what's 0:26:21.040 --> 0:26:23.879 weird to me is um, you know in Twitter, in 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.760 the Twitter's verse, they're saying, well, we don't have a 0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:28.840 need at tight end, Well, yeah you do, Yes you do. 0:26:29.040 --> 0:26:31.000 And they're saying, well, even without don't shows we don't 0:26:31.000 --> 0:26:34.240 have any Well yeah you do. Because not entirely dissimilar 0:26:34.280 --> 0:26:36.760 from the linebacker situation, you got two guys that you're 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:38.800 all in on. You're all in on, Jake Ferguson, you're 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:40.639 all in on pay hinder shot. What you got behind that? 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:42.800 And when in front of it or in front of it? 0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.320 And when I posed that question, it's crickets and tumbleweed, right, 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:50.280 So therein lies your issue. So for me, I look 0:26:50.320 --> 0:26:52.200 at a guy and you could call it bias whatever 0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.560 it gets. Maybe if Darnielle Washington is still there in 0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:57.240 the second round, which is possible because I don't think 0:26:57.240 --> 0:26:59.240 that there's going to be this mad run on tight 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.320 ends in the first round, and there's a lot of 0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:05.040 capable tight ends. This'll probably be three or four tight ends, right. 0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:09.240 This tight end depth looks really good. It looks pretty 0:27:09.240 --> 0:27:11.840 good at the top of that prospect pool. So it's 0:27:11.880 --> 0:27:13.840 possible that when you're going to clock in the second 0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:16.080 round that a guy like Darniel Washington will still be there. 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.600 And if he is, I love his fit. And I'm 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.560 not saying that from the aspect of a Georgia fan 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:25.199 outside of knowing what his film looks like, because I 0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.520 watched him play every single snap in Athens. I'm saying 0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:33.080 that from a pure fit standpoint. Jake Ferguson is your 0:27:33.160 --> 0:27:35.359 due at all guy. Okay. He's the guy that's going 0:27:35.440 --> 0:27:38.239 to come in and hopefully be equal or better than 0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:42.720 Dalton shows painting, paying hinder shots shot, Payton hinder shot. 0:27:42.880 --> 0:27:45.000 He's your playmaker, he's your blake jar when he's your 0:27:45.080 --> 0:27:48.000 you know, stretched the defense down the field, he's your 0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:52.520 yat guy. Okay. But do you have a Maller as 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:55.800 a blocker? No, you do not. Neither one of those 0:27:55.840 --> 0:27:58.960 two players I've mentioned strike fear in anyone's heart when 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:00.919 it comes to lining up in the run game and 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.440 bursting through the chess plate of an opposing guy. That's 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.639 a Darnielle Washington who is huge. He's a specimen, but 0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:11.199 also he's a specimen who's a Maller as a blocker. 0:28:11.200 --> 0:28:13.320 And the Cowboys, we all know the Cowboys. They want 0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.879 to run this football, okay, But he can also occasionally 0:28:16.960 --> 0:28:20.240 make the big play down the field if he improves 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.080 upon that ability and adds that to what he already 0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:24.840 has as a run block of what he already has 0:28:24.880 --> 0:28:28.080 as a physical specimen, my goodness, if you combine him 0:28:28.080 --> 0:28:31.320 with Ferguson and Henry I, I'm with you. I will 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:35.920 retract my previous statement, Oh, if Darnielle Washington is available, 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.080 there's no way Double Jay passes out there. You go, 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:41.160 he seems like a Jerry guy, Jerry guy, he's not. 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:43.720 He's not passing on a physical specimen. You know, Jerry's 0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:46.960 got dot Hey, Will'll make the call. I tell you, 0:28:47.000 --> 0:28:48.600 will make the call. Look look at that dude, right 0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:50.640 he's six seven, two hundred and seventy pounds. Guy, Dog, 0:28:50.680 --> 0:28:51.880 you put him right at the end of that line 0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:54.120 of screamers, right there next to Tyrant Smith. And I'll 0:28:54.120 --> 0:28:55.320 tell you what. He can go out there and grab 0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.800 a ball. You're gonna make plays for us. Dog, make 0:28:57.840 --> 0:29:01.400 the call and salt the mcgriddle. He's a weapon in 0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.680 the red zone, he's a weapon in the in the 0:29:03.760 --> 0:29:06.880 run game. He's bigger than anybody that's gonna guard him. Now, 0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:10.840 he's six seven, two seven pounds. Anybody is gonna be 0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:14.160 all here the one and you can't. You're not tipping 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.680 your hand when he's in the game. Because if you think, 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:18.800 if you're a defensive quoted, if you think, oh, will 0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.240 Darnel's in the game, this is going to be a 0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.320 run play, Okay, Well, then it becomes a release and 0:29:22.400 --> 0:29:24.240 he's up the field and now it's him versus a 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.480 safety or dB not even fair high point that ball 0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.480 in this a reception one. The one thing that I 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:32.880 think and then I think he does fit here because, 0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.479 like you said, Hendershot, your receiver, Jake Ferguson's you're all 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.120 around guy. Darnel Washington's gonna be your maller, He's gonna 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:42.520 be your bulldozer because Jake Ferguson's your best blocker on 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.680 the roster right now. Don't even give me Sean McKowen. 0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:46.960 That's not a Sean mckewin is not a good blocker. 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:51.640 If Peyton Hendershot can possibly get it done when need be. 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.680 And Darnel Washington, even though he's better as a blocker 0:29:55.760 --> 0:29:58.200 than he is as a receiver, he can be a 0:29:58.280 --> 0:30:00.239 receiver and he can be that change up. The one 0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:03.320 thing I had against Darnell Washington with him at Georgia 0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:06.479 was a lot of the times with Georgia they were 0:30:06.560 --> 0:30:10.040 putting games away early. He was more so a changeup 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:13.080 than he was a game plan. He wasn't. He wasn't 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:15.120 the game plan of what the Dogs did. The Dogs 0:30:15.120 --> 0:30:18.880 were so good all the way the game plan was. 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.800 Everybody else the game plan was was Okay, let's get 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:24.840 it to our playmakers, and then you know what, when 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.920 we need to change things up, here's Darnell Washington, and 0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.920 oh my goodness, he was able to play exceptionally whenever 0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:31.520 he got the ball in his hands because he was 0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.360 not the game plan. Teams were trying to load out 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.880 to stop other things. I like the way he plays 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:40.320 the game downhill. I like the way he's he's a 0:30:41.200 --> 0:30:44.080 he moves and shines as a blocker, but he also 0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.680 shines as a receiver. The one thing I have is 0:30:46.720 --> 0:30:50.920 that he wasn't a featured piece in this offense. The 0:30:51.040 --> 0:30:53.680 way that Dak Prescott plays the game. He likes to 0:30:53.880 --> 0:30:56.880 feature tight ends. You've seen it with Dalton Schultz. You've 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:58.280 seen it with Blake jar When. You've seen it with 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:01.120 Jason Witten at times, even in the early years, they 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:04.240 like to feature tight ends. Can he be a featured guy? 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.720 That's my one concern. I think he can, but I 0:31:07.840 --> 0:31:09.560 just want to have seen it. I have seen it. 0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.920 Like we mentioned earlier, you don't know until you know correct. 0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:14.600 That's fair, and I guess I will counter that with 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:16.200 and it's not a it's not a full counter as 0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:18.480 much as it is an asterisk on what you're saying, 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:22.960 because you're not wrong. But you know that Jake Ferguson is, 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:27.120 as we have this conversation, the feature, So he's one ay. 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:29.720 Hendershot is one B as the feature. So you'll you'll 0:31:29.800 --> 0:31:32.840 get feature plays from Darnell and it won't be entirely 0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:35.360 dissimilar from when he had to share the spotlight with Brock, 0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:38.200 who is, to me, the best tight end in the country. 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.560 So when you have to share that spotlight and on 0:31:41.760 --> 0:31:44.720 that stage, and now you're coming into another big stage 0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:48.320 having to share the spotlight, My point is he's not 0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:53.240 unfamiliar with that scenario and that when he's not often 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:56.480 going to be game planned four on a weekly basis 0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.520 by the Cowboys, but he knows to stay ready when 0:31:59.560 --> 0:32:01.480 it's time for his number to be called. As far 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:04.120 as making the play down the field. He doesn't tune 0:32:04.160 --> 0:32:07.320 out mentally. He doesn't get down on himself mentally that well, 0:32:07.360 --> 0:32:09.240 you know what, well I was I was the man 0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:11.640 at Georgia. You mean I'm gonna have to play second 0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.920 or third? No, He's that doesn't worry me at all right, 0:32:14.000 --> 0:32:16.600 he's used to be in complimentary. He's going to mall, mall, mall, 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:18.240 and then when he gets his number call, he's like 0:32:18.600 --> 0:32:20.760 ready to go, and then mall, mall, mall ready to go. 0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:23.720 So he's he's acclimated to that. So would Ferguson be 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.360 your number one? Darnel Washington's your number two tight end? Would? 0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:29.480 I would argue you? So I would argue you. My 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.440 counterpoint to that is, are you going to spend a 0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.480 second round pick on a number two tight end when 0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.840 HiT's Darnall Washington? Like, like, that's where I have pops, 0:32:38.000 --> 0:32:40.480 because I want to number one tight end. I want 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:42.520 somebody that's gonna be better than Jake Ferguson. And I'm 0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:45.160 not knocking Jake Ferguson. He was a fourth round pick 0:32:45.280 --> 0:32:47.760 last year for a reason. They had three other names 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:50.360 in the fourth round that they liked better than Jake 0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.840 Ferguson last year. And I know that for a fact. 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:55.640 The thing, the fact of the matter is Ferguson had 0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:58.240 a great rookie season. But is he ready to take 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.640 over right now? Is tight end number one one? We 0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:03.640 haven't seen it yet. I think he could, But there's 0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:06.000 guys that are out here right now, in this class, 0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:08.320 that are better. Here's what I would say, what if 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:11.239 it's a situation where, because again we can only talk 0:33:11.280 --> 0:33:13.160 about what we know at the moment as we have 0:33:13.240 --> 0:33:15.520 this conversation, even if Darnelle Washington is the pick in 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:17.720 the second round, you're not going to say immediately that 0:33:17.760 --> 0:33:19.440 he's going to beat out Jake Ferguson because you saw 0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:21.440 what Jake Ferguson was able to do less season, right, 0:33:21.480 --> 0:33:24.080 He's a key reason Dolton Shows is not here anymore. Okay, 0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:28.240 So both of those guys Ferguson and so at the moment, 0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.080 Jake Ferguson has the throne. I think we could agree 0:33:31.120 --> 0:33:34.320 that Darniell could challenge for the throne. He could as 0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.040 early as this training camp. But here's where it would 0:33:37.280 --> 0:33:40.760 either go in Darnielle's favor as TE one or Jake's 0:33:41.040 --> 0:33:44.360 favor as TE one. Who's the better pass catcher And 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:46.920 at the moment, the better and more refined pass catcher 0:33:47.040 --> 0:33:50.000 is Jake Ferguson. So but I say that to say, 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.840 who knows if that remains the case over the course 0:33:54.080 --> 0:33:56.960 of twenty twenty three or in year two in twenty 0:33:57.040 --> 0:34:00.840 twenty four. Maybe Darnell takes those strips which were expected, 0:34:00.920 --> 0:34:03.000 especially under the tutelage of a guy like Lunda Welles, 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.880 you're gonna do, You're gonna take trust trust him and 0:34:05.960 --> 0:34:08.440 I trust that Stade. What if I told you that 0:34:08.600 --> 0:34:10.680 you could spend a second round pick on Donille Washington, 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.280 get that physical freak of a man who's a mawler 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:16.560 in the run game, who can get you the downfield 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:20.040 plays when called upon, will never mentally check out. He 0:34:20.239 --> 0:34:22.880 might be t E two in twenty twenty three, but 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:26.160 the potential of being tied in one or at least 0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.200 constantly battling with Jake for that for the next three years. 0:34:30.760 --> 0:34:33.000 I sign up for that. Yeah, that sounds I'd sign 0:34:33.080 --> 0:34:35.239 up for that. So what do you think you threw 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.920 the alley to me? Because you know my guy, Linda Wales, 0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:43.040 he's he's my dude. Yeah, and he is probably the 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:48.439 most undervalued coach on this roster, outwardly saying I guess 0:34:48.600 --> 0:34:50.840 in the general public, I think he's starting to finally 0:34:50.960 --> 0:34:54.680 get the credibility and he very well should. Yeah, because 0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.480 every tidy and you throw in that room and gets developed. 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:59.440 He's been They've been great yeh, drafted or undrafted, they 0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.160 get developed, didn't they play? Okay? So yeah, so they 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:04.960 need to go ahead and put some put some respect 0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.200 on his name. Continue to do so. If you were 0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.040 to do ahead and take mister Washington, I know we're 0:35:10.040 --> 0:35:12.000 talking about you know, t E one. This is if 0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:14.560 he's available at fifty, I don't see put enough prospect. 0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:17.360 I don't seeing I put that on the table. I 0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:19.480 don't see him being available at whops. Okay, but I 0:35:19.520 --> 0:35:23.839 don't see a physical specimen. You're not wrong, but it's 0:35:23.880 --> 0:35:29.600 the draft. Um. One thing about sports. You can't teach speed, 0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:34.800 but you can teach technique. Okay, you can't teach a maller, 0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:39.480 but you could teach somebody how to catch. So if 0:35:39.520 --> 0:35:44.480 we're looking at options, I can't teach six six seven, 0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.520 two hundred and seventy two hundred and sixty five pounds. 0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:48.480 I can't teach that. No, you're either that or you're not. 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.880 I can't teach that size coupled with a dog mentality 0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:55.839 to block. Can't teach that, and the athletics I can't 0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.600 give you want to right, So you got the physicality, 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.960 the other physical size, you got the stature, and you 0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.520 got the mentality. Can't teach that. You know what I 0:36:03.600 --> 0:36:05.040 can't teach. I could take your butt out here on 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.120 these drugs all day long, ye and show you got 0:36:07.200 --> 0:36:10.840 to catch off those hands, soften them hands to do 0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:13.319 for a long time. Every every time he was here, 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.480 in the early parts of his career and even later 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:17.960 we saw it out there, even the last couple of years. 0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:21.040 He was the last one on the jugs absolutely every day. 0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:22.480 So when you was the last one out, So when 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.200 you're looking at the type of guys that you're going 0:36:24.280 --> 0:36:28.000 to be asking them to block, I would much rather 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:31.000 have a man of that stature and that mentality to 0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:33.719 be able to handle that in the running game and 0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:35.719 then be able to call whatever past game I want 0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:39.320 to off of it. Yeah. Look look at the NFC's 0:36:39.360 --> 0:36:42.960 defensive lines. In defensive that's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, absolutely, Man, 0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:45.399 if Darnell is there, you get Darnell and you send 0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.600 him out to George Kittle University to get those hands 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.640 softened up a little bit, and he can be a problem. 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:54.080 I just I get excited thinking about the probability or 0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:57.600 the possibility of teaming him with a playmaker like Hinder 0:36:57.640 --> 0:36:59.880 Shot with an all around guy who can do it 0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.759 like Jake Ferguson and throwing those three that they're making 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:04.799 a three headed hydra, throwing them all on the field 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:07.279 and training camp over the next two to three years 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.960 and saying who wants it more, get after it. Because 0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:12.000 if you know anything and what we've learned about both 0:37:12.080 --> 0:37:14.959 Jake and pay and those are those are hyper competitive guys. 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.200 They're best sees and everything, but they're they're doing it 0:37:17.280 --> 0:37:19.359 the right way, but they're hyper competitive against each other. 0:37:19.800 --> 0:37:21.600 And Darnell is as well. So when you throw that in, 0:37:21.920 --> 0:37:24.520 the question is, well, will Darnell be your te one? 0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:28.120 But he can be, but so can Jake, but in 0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.239 a couple of years maybe so competent. And they're just 0:37:30.440 --> 0:37:31.880 throw them out there and let him fight for it. 0:37:31.920 --> 0:37:33.600 And while they're fighting for it, guess what you're getting 0:37:33.640 --> 0:37:37.399 from as Dak Prescott three security blankets, you're also getting 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:41.719 a fantastic run blocker in Darnell Washington. And if you're 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:45.680 the opposing defensive coordinator, if any two or three of 0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:48.040 those players are on the field, who's the ball going to. 0:37:48.600 --> 0:37:50.520 And we're not even talking about just yet, the Brandon 0:37:50.560 --> 0:37:53.080 Cooks and the Ceedee Lamb and Michael Gallup possibly having 0:37:53.120 --> 0:37:55.279 a resurgent year, and then Tony Pollit back healthy and 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:59.120 everything just from a tight end standpoint two tight end set. 0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:02.359 Are you sure that just because Darnell's on the field 0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.920 that it's a run play? No, you're not. Nope. I 0:38:05.040 --> 0:38:08.359 love it. Yeah, No, it provides the ultimate change up 0:38:08.400 --> 0:38:10.080 if he ends up there at fifty eight. Do you 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.200 think that he's there? No? Do you think he's there, 0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:13.719 think he's the top four? No? I don't. I don't 0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.960 think he's there. But again, stranger things have happened. He's 0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:20.200 a great player, and teams might be scared of this. 0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.680 I'm trying to play Devil's advocate here here, because teams 0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.960 might be scared of every team can use a tight end. 0:38:26.040 --> 0:38:27.880 They may also be infatuated with him and they may 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.120 just snatch everything. But I would also say, as much 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:34.239 as we are praising Darnielle Washington and rightfully so, I 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.920 don't think any of us has him ranked as the 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.719 number one guy in the type. So there's a lot 0:38:39.760 --> 0:38:42.239 of other options, right, So we're sitting him, We're saying this, 0:38:42.520 --> 0:38:45.680 and we know that other teams understand Darnell's Washington value 0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:48.359 and potential in ceiling as well. But those other teams 0:38:48.400 --> 0:38:51.239 also know that Darnielle Washington is not the best best 0:38:51.360 --> 0:38:54.640 in the class, which means first those bests have to 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:56.759 come off the board, and I think that's when the 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:59.719 Cowboys might have a shot. Might be a long shot, 0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:01.239 but I don't think as as long as you think. 0:39:01.400 --> 0:39:04.640 He's my tight end number five, and I have four 0:39:04.680 --> 0:39:06.480 guys in front of him, two first round grades in 0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.360 Dalton Kincaide from Utah, Michael Mayer from Notre Dame, and 0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:11.839 then I have three second round grades Luke Musgrave right 0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:13.680 at the top of the second round from Oregon State, 0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:16.480 and then one player in between who I'll tell you 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:19.080 in a second, and then Darnell Washington, one player in between. 0:39:19.280 --> 0:39:22.279 It's possible, It is possible. Actually I have right now, 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:24.240 and this is going to change between now and draft weekend. 0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.440 I have him as fifty five on my board total, 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.239 so he's a top fifty five player, and we pick 0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.359 at fifty eight, it's possible move up and get him. 0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:32.960 He's probably gonna move up, period. I think if he's there, 0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.160 If he's there at fifty, if you can get on 0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.399 the phone, get on the phone if he's there fifty. 0:39:38.480 --> 0:39:40.839 The guy that's in between and is another guy that's 0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:43.160 a maller. And I think because of the traits of 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.720 Darnell Washington, he actually has a better chance at falling 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.280 to you. Sam Laporta from Iowa. I like Sam Laporta. 0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:52.640 He's a downhill bulldozer too. Probably not. 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I'm okay with him because my 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.759 daughter ran trek with his with his sister last year. 0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:09.080 They were on the same relay team and his other 0:43:09.160 --> 0:43:11.640 two sisters train out of my facility. Yeah, they're their 0:43:11.719 --> 0:43:14.320 local Dallas people. He's from the Colony, played at the 0:43:14.400 --> 0:43:16.520 Colony High School, which for those of you who don't 0:43:16.560 --> 0:43:19.160 know the Dallas Fort Worth Metroplex, it's about ten minutes 0:43:19.200 --> 0:43:20.879 from where we are right now here at the Star, 0:43:21.000 --> 0:43:23.040 so right down the street. Probably not going to be 0:43:23.080 --> 0:43:25.920 there for the Cowboys the twenties six, but we like 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.400 many lay. Yeah, he's probably gone way way way before that. 0:43:29.760 --> 0:43:31.920 Here's here's kind of the reason why all these guys 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.040 are on the front. They have Texas connections. So we 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:37.680 have this Texas connection article, really nicely done by Jeff Sullivan. 0:43:38.000 --> 0:43:42.360 Then things get real special. How about no guarantee? This 0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.239 is by Patrick Walker, special edition of the Science Lab. 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:51.520 Get it what science Baby rules. We have a we 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:54.360 have a first round draft, mock draft, and then we 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:58.759 have scouting reports for every position. How about that? And 0:43:59.000 --> 0:44:02.719 I put together these rankings and these scout reports. Some 0:44:02.840 --> 0:44:04.879 might I put a cougar in that book. Uh yeah, 0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:06.879 there's a lot of there's a coolger in that car. Yeah, 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:13.200 a lot of them throughout. So yes, science. Uh yeah, 0:44:13.320 --> 0:44:15.400 so we've got a bunch of cool stuff. You can 0:44:15.480 --> 0:44:18.080 get this online. There is a digital copy available as 0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.320 well for those of you who don't want the clasical magazine. 0:44:21.520 --> 0:44:23.719 Dallas Cowboys dot com. Right, you got to say it 0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:26.480 in the honorable boys, do it now now. I have 0:44:26.560 --> 0:44:28.200 tweeted out a couple of links too, So if you 0:44:28.239 --> 0:44:30.360 want to go on my Twitter, it's there for Cowboys. 0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:34.800 Twitter has posted item really really cool magazine. Are you 0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:38.359 paying for your check? Mark? Uh? No, no, I'm good. 0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.239 I'm good. No, I'm not paying for it. If that 0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.919 gives you an idea, take it and get it over with, yep, nope, 0:44:44.000 --> 0:44:49.200 I've but uh yeah, so there you go. So that's 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:52.360 your draft magazine that you have to go and enjoy, 0:44:52.920 --> 0:44:56.239 have some fun. Are you paying for your check? Pay 0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:59.040 for my chickbark? I will draw a chickbark gut here. Yeah, 0:44:59.080 --> 0:45:01.400 there you go. Yeah, go get you a copy. It's 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:04.960 really cool. I recommend having the physical copy outside of 0:45:05.000 --> 0:45:08.160 the nostalgic like. I have them all stacked up on 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:10.920 my desk. All you will be the smartest one at 0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:13.360 the draft party, no doubt, no doubt. This is my 0:45:13.480 --> 0:45:17.120 fourth year contributing to the Draft magazine, third year doing 0:45:17.200 --> 0:45:21.160 all of the bios. I'm pretty proud of what's in here. 0:45:21.480 --> 0:45:23.440 This is really good. Should be pro dude. This magnificent 0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:26.000 good stuff, all right. And for those that are behind 0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:28.480 the scenes and who have who has seen Kyle putting 0:45:28.520 --> 0:45:31.799 this work in then you know exactly what it took 0:45:31.840 --> 0:45:34.280 for him to be able to get you guys this product. 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:38.359 So get it. You'd learn and like as I say, 0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.200 it'd be the smartest person to room when the draft 0:45:40.280 --> 0:45:42.440 rolls and we put some we put some secrets in 0:45:42.560 --> 0:45:44.319 here too, just so you know. You got to figure 0:45:44.360 --> 0:45:45.800 out what those secrets are. But they're in hearing a 0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.600 little hunt a little bit, all right. Let's say the 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.600 Cowboys have offensive line, tight end and linebacker out of 0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:53.160 the way in the first three rounds. They hit their 0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.120 needs hard, bam boom, out of the way. Man, where 0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.040 you're going next in the day three? Real quick before 0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:03.319 we wrap things up, Okay, D line into D line, 0:46:03.560 --> 0:46:08.360 interior D line. Okay, put somebody back behind baby Hankins. Okay, 0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:10.319 So you want to nose tack. I want to nose tack. 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:12.279 You don't want a three technique? Now I want one. 0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:17.560 I want to one, A zero. I wanna true now 0:46:17.600 --> 0:46:21.759 I want to, I want to. I want to Gilbert Brown, 0:46:22.280 --> 0:46:26.600 want to? I want to Gilbert Brown, big Sam Adams 0:46:26.840 --> 0:46:29.480 very nice because when Hankins goes out, I don't want 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:32.440 teams to feel like they have an advantage. I'm with that. 0:46:33.120 --> 0:46:35.360 Keep them fresh too, and and keeping my ladies and gentlemen. 0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:37.160 When we talk about day two, day three, they're more 0:46:37.239 --> 0:46:38.839 than one. It's more than one. Pick one day three. 0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.200 So if you get that idea, that's great. But if 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:43.640 we're talking about somebody that I really want, or a 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:47.080 position I really want, where's my developmental quarterback? Right? Let 0:46:47.120 --> 0:46:49.439 me get my developmental quarterback. And I'm looking at someone 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:52.839 like a Clayton Tune in the sixth something like that. Um, 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.480 I don't know if he's gonna last to the second. 0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.840 I don't know either, but if he's available, and you know, 0:46:56.920 --> 0:47:02.480 as a flyer, I take him as early. What did happen? Yes? Uh, 0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.640 I have Oh man, I love talking to him. I'm 0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.239 a lot higher on tune than most people. I like 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:10.680 tune a lot as a developmental guy. I have him 0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:13.640 as a top one fifty player. I have him as 0:47:13.680 --> 0:47:17.120 a fourth round high. I'm I have him early fourth Okay, 0:47:17.200 --> 0:47:19.759 I'm I'm yeah, I'm strong going to him. Yeah, I'm 0:47:19.760 --> 0:47:22.719 already that high to him, though I'd be willing to 0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:26.120 go as early as a fifth on him, but I'm 0:47:26.719 --> 0:47:30.040 circling sixth as far as he would So there's preferably 0:47:30.200 --> 0:47:33.359 there's there's like three tiers of quarterbacks, for quarterback and fourth. 0:47:33.440 --> 0:47:35.440 I know what you're thinking, No, don't you do it, now, 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:38.480 don't you do it. There's three tiers of quarterbacks. There's 0:47:38.520 --> 0:47:41.440 the first round guys that are C. J. Stroud, Rice Young, 0:47:41.600 --> 0:47:44.680 Will Levis, Anthony Richardson. Then I've got a second tier 0:47:44.719 --> 0:47:48.600 of guys that's Hendon Hooker. Uh. Actually, it's just Hendon 0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:50.960 Hooker in the second tier. And then the third tier 0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.799 of guys is a jumbled mess of Jake Hayner from 0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:57.680 Fresno State, Clayton Tune from Houston, Tanner McKee from Stanford. 0:47:57.680 --> 0:48:00.000 A lot of teams are really high on Tanner McKee. 0:48:00.560 --> 0:48:02.600 Some people even had him mocked in the first round. 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:04.320 A lot of people like him. I had him, I 0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:07.000 had him pretty high, but not that high. And then 0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.680 Max Duggan from TCU is in that third tier as well, 0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:13.520 So lots to look forward to with with some developmental quarterbacks. 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.200 I think there are some good ones in there there, 0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:18.320 most certainly, so yeah, give me my developmental quarterback. You 0:48:18.440 --> 0:48:20.560 got Cooper Rush back, and you know, kudos to that 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:24.759 because it also helps avoid a glaring need, right and 0:48:24.800 --> 0:48:26.600 then you got Will Grill, who a battle with Cooper 0:48:26.680 --> 0:48:29.520 Rush But you know Cooper Rush he's he's not getting 0:48:29.520 --> 0:48:33.200 any younger, and you want to see another step forward 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:37.120 from Will Grill or you know that developmental quarterback might 0:48:37.239 --> 0:48:39.000 end up taking that spot. So Will Grid's going to 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:40.320 have to fight for his spot as well, and he 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:43.560 understands this, So yeah, developmental quarterback. Jerry Jones says he 0:48:43.600 --> 0:48:45.560 wants to do it, so I would not expect that 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:49.320 Day three would expire without it being done. So I 0:48:49.520 --> 0:48:53.399 hear you talking, mister Jones, show me, show it there 0:48:53.440 --> 0:48:55.840 you go. If you don't like the result, what do 0:48:55.920 --> 0:48:57.360 you say if you don't really like the result, than 0:48:57.440 --> 0:49:00.440 what change change your baby? Time to changeing with the 0:49:00.560 --> 0:49:02.680 NFL Draft. We'll have more draft talk as we continue 0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.759 along and we'll continue to get better at outlining what 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:08.759 the Cowboys want, will probably know a lot more of 0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:10.480 the names from the thirty visit by the time we 0:49:10.560 --> 0:49:13.560 get around next week as well, so that doesn't for 0:49:13.680 --> 0:49:17.480 us here on Talking Cowboys. Gotta wait another week. Next Tuesday, 0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:19.759 ten am Central Time, we'll get right back at it 0:49:20.080 --> 0:49:23.080 for Chris being Friday stand back for Patrick nose Walker. 0:49:23.120 --> 0:49:25.480 I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long here from the Star 0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:27.719 in Frisco and Talking Cowboys. We'll see you next week. 0:49:28.440 --> 0:49:31.120 This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:49:31.360 --> 0:49:33.399 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.