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Speaker 2: You want to be happy for a day? Edith State

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Speaker 2: is that?

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Speaker 3: Whoo whoo?

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Speaker 1: And no, Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein, welcome back, my friend.

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Speaker 3: This is part two of the episode that we put

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Speaker 3: out on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: We are talking through.

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Speaker 3: The seventeen things, seventeen things that made the twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: always going to talk about. And remember, Dan Rubinstein, we

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Speaker 3: did seven in part one. Today we got to knock

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Speaker 3: out the remaining ten.

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Speaker 1: I'm ready to roll.

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Speaker 2: This is our own personal seventeen again. Shout out Zach Efron,

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Speaker 2: not a friend of the show. Could be. We're open

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Speaker 2: to it. We're open to Afron. A lot of great

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Speaker 2: ones from part one, and it actually made me think.

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Speaker 2: After we did the episode, I actually figured out that

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Speaker 2: I had more of an appreciation for the season despite

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Speaker 2: my favorite team being bludgeoned in front of America by

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Speaker 2: the eventual national champion. Once again, there is something nice

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Speaker 2: about there's player movement, but players seem to be especially

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Speaker 2: some of the quarterbacks. You know, we saw another year

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Speaker 2: perhaps improve my draft stock, improve as a player or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and make some money. Coaches are leaving. Head coaches seem

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Speaker 2: As I look back to like recent nostalgia of twenty

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Speaker 2: all right, let's see how this familiar thing evolves in

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Speaker 1: Been like that. So I appreciate that. I do too.

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Speaker 3: There has been stuff going on even since we recorded

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Speaker 1: We will get to all.

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Speaker 3: Of those topics next week perhaps, but for now, to

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Speaker 3: Let's talk through the remainder ten things that we thought

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Speaker 3: other stuff in as well. It seems as though this

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Speaker 1: So excited about that. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Corso those are the seven items you are up first,

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Speaker 3: my friend, let's talk through what made twenty twenty five

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm forgetting some of those interesting nuggets.

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Speaker 2: They go up to Pitt at the end of the season,

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Speaker 3: It didn't feel like it was going all that well

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Speaker 1: It ended up being a pretty good game in the end.

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Speaker 3: But sure, that game, I think above all, just as

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Speaker 2: And Mario Christoball finally became the one, or he finally

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Speaker 2: And I'll speak for myself here, Miami proved me wrong

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Speaker 2: in terms of what their eventual ceiling would become. I

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Speaker 2: I really do think that the twenty twenty five narrative

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Speaker 2: arc I think is sort of driven by Miami's You know,

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Speaker 2: Miami was just very gumpy with this whole season, as

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Speaker 3: I was very wrong about Miami at the start of

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Speaker 3: team on paper. You make enough of these predictions, you're

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Speaker 1: That are really wrong. That's one where I was really

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Speaker 3: But to our credit, we had Miami over Texas A

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Speaker 3: we deliberated about whether taking them outright. We liked Miami

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Speaker 2: Okay, so give me, give me the head the Notre

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Speaker 3: Well, it's a question of will people remember Notre Dame

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Speaker 2: I have general shirtlessness? So you have Oklahoma State fans

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Speaker 2: their shirt. Lanning a separate time, takes off his shirt

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Speaker 2: and jumps into a pool with a high level defensive

442
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Speaker 2: end edge rushing commit only for that recruits to go

443
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Speaker 2: home talk to his parents, decommit, commit, and then sign

444
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Speaker 2: with Texas. By the way, I share an alma mater

445
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Speaker 2: with that. Committee would see Erra Canyon as well. I

446
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Speaker 2: would see o Canyon elementary and middle school before it

447
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Speaker 2: was like a big thing that it is now.

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Speaker 1: Do you have commitment issues as well?

449
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Speaker 2: M my commitment, I'm over committed, tie, I'm too committed,

450
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Speaker 2: I'm too locked in continue. And I think it was regrettable.

451
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Speaker 2: I think there was a good amount of regret. I

452
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Speaker 2: don't think Dan Lanning's jumping in a pool as a

453
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Speaker 2: kid commits to Oregon again. And the other thing I

454
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Speaker 2: thought about with this is how many major college football

455
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Speaker 2: coaches have you personally or have we all seen without

456
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Speaker 2: their shirts? Well, I think we've seen Landing. We've seen

457
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Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh right at a satellite camp, right. I want

458
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Speaker 2: to say we've seen coach Oh, definitely. I mean he

459
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Speaker 2: did that recently at a wedding, didn't he. I want

460
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Speaker 2: to say yes. I think we've seen Steve Spurrier multiple

461
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Speaker 2: times without his shirt on. Yep, he has.

462
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Speaker 1: I've seen a bunch of these pictures. Yep.

463
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Speaker 2: He did a commercial. He did a like a doctor

464
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Speaker 2: Pepper commercial. Without a shirt on and like a cold tub.

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Speaker 2: Which other coaches have we seen without a shirt on?

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Speaker 2: If any, we've seen most of? But I know, yeah,

467
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Speaker 2: I know that there is a video that exists of

468
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Speaker 2: Kirby Smart running on the beach like racing his son.

469
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Speaker 2: I don't remember if there was Ariola in that video.

470
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Speaker 2: I don't specifically remember, Okay, but I'm trying to think,

471
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Speaker 2: are there any other coaches who have been snapped shirtless?

472
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Speaker 2: I'm sure in the solid verbal era that we're leaving.

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Speaker 3: Out, I'm certain. I'm certain there must be. I can't

474
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Speaker 3: think of any off the top of my head, but.

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Speaker 1: Certain to have to be.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's yeah, I said, we've seen a lot

477
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Speaker 2: of Biff Pogy, but not the full shirtless I don't believe.

478
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Speaker 2: I think the gold standard is either Jim Harbaugh with

479
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Speaker 2: like his Farmer's tan and Georgia or wherever that picture

480
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Speaker 2: was taken, or Bretila. It's Bilima, I think it's I

481
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: think it's probably Bilima. But I'm trying to, like, I'm

482
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Speaker 2: trying to index all of that coaches we've seen.

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Speaker 3: So now let me let me ask you a question here,

484
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Speaker 3: And I'm sort of making a request to split off

485
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Speaker 3: a part of this into its own conversation. Actually, I'm

486
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Speaker 3: going to demand it, and that is Dan Lanning.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this is the year that we all

489
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Speaker 3: sort of understood as a college football public that Dan

490
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Speaker 3: Lanning is kind of a psychopath. And I am thinking

491
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Speaker 3: specifically of that interview after the Penn State win.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, we've seen Lane Kevin without his shirt obviously, hot

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Speaker 2: yoga continue.

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Speaker 3: But Dan Lanning in that interview that he gave after

495
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Speaker 3: beating Notre Dame, or beating Notre Dame, after beating Penn State, Yeah,

496
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Speaker 3: was something that was burned into like my brain on

497
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Speaker 3: a level that I will never forget because the immediate

498
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Speaker 3: thought was, Dude, this guy's on something.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what he is on, but he is

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Speaker 1: on something.

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Speaker 2: Just a lot of liquid ivy. Tie, there's a lot

502
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Speaker 2: of liquid ivy.

503
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Speaker 3: But then it didn't stop, and I think I tweeted

504
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Speaker 3: it out at some point. I forget which playoff game

505
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Speaker 3: it was. Maybe it was the semi final where he's

506
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Speaker 3: walking out yelling.

507
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Speaker 2: Pound of flesh, pound of flesh. Yeah, all of these

508
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Speaker 2: it was. I think it was the Texas Tech game. Yeah,

509
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Speaker 2: to Tech.

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Speaker 3: It all of these coaches are kind of nuts. You

511
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Speaker 3: gotta be to do this job at a high level.

512
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Speaker 1: You just have to.

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Speaker 3: That's just that's just where we're at. And I don't

514
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Speaker 3: know if it's ever been otherwise, Like you always have

515
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Speaker 3: to be a little bit crazy to do this type

516
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Speaker 3: of job. He seems like he might be the craziest.

517
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Speaker 3: And it feels to me like even though we kind

518
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Speaker 3: of knew it, this was the year that we really

519
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 3: saw it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well it was the like after the Penn State came

522
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Speaker 2: the Yeah, right, just like getting that oxygen in. Uh, yeah,

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Speaker 2: we've seen that, like the bulging eyes. I have an

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Speaker 2: important Do you want to do a breaking news for me?

525
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Speaker 2: I don't want to put you on the spot soundboard wise?

526
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Speaker 1: Do you want me to?

527
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Speaker 3: Oh?

528
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Speaker 1: You want me to play it? Yeah?

529
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Speaker 3: Is this actual breaking news? Or is this just a

530
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Speaker 3: show breaking interjection?

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Speaker 2: Our friend Tom Furnelli in twenty fifteen topless college football

532
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Speaker 2: coach Power Rankings, Who colon? Who wore nothing best?

533
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Speaker 1: Okay?

534
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Speaker 2: We've got a Gus Miles on Okay, looks fine in

535
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Speaker 2: his Tulsa time posing on the beach with maybe a fan.

536
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: We've got Harbaugh in there. Obviously, we've left out, Mark

537
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: Richt doing his like yeah, the the dive off of

538
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Speaker 2: the platform at Georgia is his annual tradition. We've got

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Speaker 2: Less Miles on a boat with what looks like fans

540
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Speaker 2: or family. We've got Kirk Farns in board shorts. Whoa,

541
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Speaker 2: I don't know the context of this. It looks like

542
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Speaker 2: maybe it's some kind of like charity pool jump kind

543
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Speaker 2: of thing.

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Speaker 3: Now, there is no way that Kirk Farens can have

545
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Speaker 3: any kind of tan. He has got to be as

546
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Speaker 3: pasty white as imaginable, you know, throughout the season. I

547
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Speaker 3: don't think he gets out much. We know he doesn't

548
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Speaker 3: get out much.

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Speaker 2: We've talked to him better than you'd think, yeah, better

550
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: than you'd think. Spray tan, no, no, no, no, just not

551
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: full like starched white. We've got Dan mullen lang out

552
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Speaker 2: with a woman. Maybe it's his wife. I'm not sure

553
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: who this is. Larry Fedora absolutely yoked. Oh I remember

554
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: that one. You remember that, I do, I DOGEA. This

555
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: is from twenty fifteen. We've got Spurrier. We've got Cliff Kingsbury,

556
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Speaker 2: if you remember, with a couple of women, you know,

557
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Speaker 2: obviously recent former player Brett bielomacheckson at number one of

558
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 2: the rankings. So we're on the same page here, so

559
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: we oh and Gundhy right off his shirt. I want

560
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 2: to say it like some sort of uh pep rally

561
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Speaker 2: or something in the college arena, in the in the

562
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 2: basketball arena. So more than you'd think. But yeah, I

563
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 2: think I think Bill, there.

564
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Speaker 3: Are people absolutely driving off the road at this conversation.

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Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, No, it's cool, it's cool. I

566
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Speaker 1: want to be thorough.

567
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 2: Next, what whatnes I'm putting, I'm putting as Let's see,

568
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: that was eight, nine, ten as our eleventh thing.

569
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Speaker 3: Okay, I've got Dan lanning his nuts. We'll just leave

570
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Speaker 3: it there as an eleven. Now you're up again, give

571
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Speaker 3: me another one, or do you want me to go

572
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: for you? I think you should go.

573
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Speaker 1: Cody Campbell and Texas Tech.

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Speaker 3: Okay, you could wrap a whole bunch of stuff up

575
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: into a nice little Texas Tech extravaganza.

576
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: Here. Texas Tech had the best defensive.

577
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 3: Line that money could buy, and for a while this

578
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: season throttled everybody, everybody. I don't think there is any

579
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Speaker 3: way you can look at this version of Texas Tech

580
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 3: the season that they had and come away feeling all

581
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 3: that disappointed. This was a good team. They won the

582
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: Big Twelve in resounding fashion. They smoked BYU twice. Clearly

583
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: they had a defense. It did not work out for

584
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: them to go deeper into the playoff. We will see

585
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: if they can correct that. We know that they're trying.

586
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: Be interesting to see what happens in twenty twenty six.

587
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 3: But there was that whole element that we have spoken

588
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Speaker 3: to time and again on.

589
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 2: This show, which, by the way, Texas Tech fans all

590
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 2: right now are collectively sounding like sideshow Bob stepping on

591
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Speaker 2: the rake.

592
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: Like, well, exactly, And that's exactly what my point was

593
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Speaker 3: going to be, because I feel like there was just

594
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Speaker 3: this misinterpretation of what we meant when we talked about

595
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Speaker 3: Texas Tech and we brought this up. This is important

596
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Speaker 3: context to mention about Texas Tech. Yeah, it does not

597
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: mean that they do not deserve it. It does not

598
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: mean we are speaking about the Red Raiders in some

599
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Speaker 3: sort of negative capacity.

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Speaker 1: This is the way the game is now.

601
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: This is what you gotta do if you want to

602
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: play at the highest level. Look at the four teams

603
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 3: that made the college football playoffs. Sepifive we look get

604
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: the team that won. You got to be good in

605
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: the portal. You got to be willing to pay, you

606
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 3: got to have an eye for talent, you got to

607
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 3: be aggressive.

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00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: Texas Tech is doing all of those things.

609
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 3: So to speak of how they handled the portal, paying players,

610
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: attracting talent, what they've done so far this cycle, Yeah,

611
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: they are very much ahead of their peers in many ways,

612
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 3: all of which I think are positive.

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00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: But that does not mean we can't.

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Speaker 3: Talk about it because before this year, Texas Tech was

615
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 3: not like a consistently ranked college football team. For all

616
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 3: the talk about Indiana kind of coming out of nowhere

617
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: with sixteen years finishing un ranked, yeah, for all the

618
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 3: talk about Signetti rising up out of nowhere bringing this

619
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Speaker 3: program from the ashes to national prominence, Texas Tech is

620
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: very much part of that conversation as well, because of

621
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Speaker 3: what they did in the portal. And then on top

622
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Speaker 3: of it, there's the Cody Campbell commercial thing. There's us

623
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 3: making fun of the goatee. There's like that whole other

624
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: component to it that I think makes it really worthwhile

625
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 3: to discuss on.

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Speaker 1: A show like this.

627
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Speaker 3: But we cannot go any further without mentioning the Texas

628
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Speaker 3: Tech Red Raiders. They were a huge part of the

629
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Speaker 3: story in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: No, and look, it's you can use the word to merge.

631
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,040
Speaker 2: I think really accurately when you say like they emerged

632
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 2: as like the team and the team moving forward with

633
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Speaker 2: how aggressively they are going to recruit and hit the portal,

634
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: and how well of a job Joey maguire did coaching

635
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 2: this team and keeping everybody together and making the run

636
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Speaker 2: that they did, you know, winning the Big twelve and

637
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: getting a bye before losing to Oregon. Look, the fact

638
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 2: of the matter is in that Oregon loss, the one

639
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: unit that was far and away the unit keeping them

640
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: in that game was the defensive line and defensive front

641
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Speaker 2: more broadly speaking, but I think the line more than

642
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: anything when you look at I think it was Lee Hunter,

643
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: the big nose tackle, defensive tackle inside, disrupting everything on

644
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 2: the inside of the Oregon offensive line, getting in Dante

645
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 2: More's head. That was the unit, and that was the

646
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: new unit that was was brought in And just an enormous,

647
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: raging success of a season for Texas Tech and the

648
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: breakthrough and in a wide open conference seemingly not so

649
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: wide open anymore, it seems with the talent, I think

650
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 2: Texas Tech is going to continue to recruit and transfer in.

651
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: I still don't hate Cody Arabia. I still don't hate

652
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: that nickname. If you want to go Kotar, I listen better.

653
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: You like Kotar better than Cody Arabia.

654
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: I do, absolutely.

655
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Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, anything quicker is going to be more effective.

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Speaker 1: You just look.

657
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Speaker 2: Does it mean that Mark Cuban isn't paying whatever dozens

658
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Speaker 2: of millions of dollars he is in donations to Indiana

659
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Speaker 2: to keep this train rolling. No, it doesn't change anything

660
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 2: with Indiana, doesn't change anything with Oregon and Phil Knight,

661
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: No it doesn't. But we didn't know Cody Campbell's name

662
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: two years ago. And so that's the emergence as well,

663
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 2: and you know, the big new facility, and that the aggression.

664
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: You love to see aggression in this era, it's not

665
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,479
Speaker 2: the most charming thing. And I say that about Oregon too.

666
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: I don't love it. I like it when teams are

667
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 2: able to plug holes or whatever in the portal, but

668
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: completely overhauling a roster, I don't know. There's something a

669
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: little bit cold about it all, and it not necessarily

670
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: true about Texas Tech overhaul defensive line, brought in a

671
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 2: new coordinator. But I don't know how you tell the

672
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: story of twenty twenty five without saying, like, oh man,

673
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: Texas Tech has made a move. Yeah, and they did

674
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,319
Speaker 2: big work and they were super fun to watch on

675
00:34:54,400 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 2: defense especially and offensive TBD after what you know, they

676
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: look like finishing the year, but you know, they're bringing

677
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 2: in probably a more successful quarterback in Brendan Sorosby, and

678
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: the future is bright.

679
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: You're up next.

680
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 3: We've got twelve things thus far in this episode. We

681
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: did Miami, we did notre Dame Shirtlessness as a offshoot

682
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 3: of that, I did Dan Lanning his nuts, and now

683
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: Cody Campbell.

684
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Speaker 1: So we're up to twelve. We've got five more to

685
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Speaker 1: go here before we let the fine people go.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go all things diego Pavia. Yeah, all right,

687
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 2: so the season is diego Pavia coming back after junior

688
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 2: college rule is changed up a little bit and he

689
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: is eligible. You know, he has a breakthrough season in

690
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, beating Alabama the way that they do,

691
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 2: you know, helping to transform along with you know, Tim

692
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: Beck and Jerry Kill and a bunch of players that

693
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 2: came over from New Mexico State, transforming Vanderbilt into something

694
00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 2: very fun in the SEC and in college football. Twenty

695
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: five was more of that, and it was more wins

696
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 2: and you know, closer to even getting you know, with

697
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 2: the potential comeback against Texas and acquitting themselves once again,

698
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: but in a loss against Alabama and you know, beating Tennessee,

699
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: they took a step forward. Diego Pavia good and bad.

700
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: I guess you have what Johnny Manziel on the sideline

701
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: of the Texas game right wearing at Diego Pavia jersey.

702
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: You have the Instagram posts after not winning the Heisman,

703
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt getting close to but not making the playoff, and

704
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: forgetting whatever you think of Diego Pavia's public persona after

705
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 2: the Heisman, It's hard to find somebody who is purely

706
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: more fun to watch that had a physical disadvantage of

707
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 2: I guess he just measured in at five to nine

708
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 2: and seven eighths for the I don't know, the Senior

709
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: Bowl or the Shrine Game or something like that, to

710
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: just I don't know the full Diego Pavia experience at

711
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: a place like Vanderbilt, of all places like this old

712
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Southern money at New Mexico State transfer after military school.

713
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 2: Like I don't know, Like it just doesn't happen like

714
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 2: this in other sports. And if it does, it happens

715
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: for like three weeks, rightlynsanity or something, whereas we got

716
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 2: this for two years, well really three four years, if

717
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 2: you could go back to his time with the Aggies.

718
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 2: I don't know, the Diego Pavia is coming to your

719
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 2: city and he's going to do everything to make your

720
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 2: life miserable, running, throwing whatever.

721
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I love the entirety of it.

722
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: All, you know, I mean college football, College sports in

723
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 3: general can be defined by having one or two standout

724
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 3: performers that drive the bus. And we've seen that more

725
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 3: times that I could count. He got one good player

726
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: and that's good enough to take it New Heights. But

727
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 3: what I think was different about this one.

728
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: This is Vanderbilt. Yeah.

729
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: Now, much the way we talk about Indiana being this,

730
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 3: this also ran for a doormat for an eternity.

731
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: Vandy has never really been good.

732
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 3: Had their moments here and there, but this has not

733
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 3: been a program that has sustained success, and certainly not

734
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Speaker 3: in the SEC. It's not one of the teams that

735
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 3: we think about in the SEC as being a contender

736
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 3: for much of anything. So for a guy who is

737
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: shorter in stature relatively speaking, to go to the SEC

738
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: at a program that relatively speaking, has been horrible, Yeah,

739
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 3: and basically ignite this like new exciting age of commodore

740
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,799
Speaker 3: football where they're getting five star quarterbacks. Clark Lee is

741
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 3: being up there paying guys. They are building a nucleus,

742
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: they're building a program. He has very much ushered in

743
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 3: a new era. Remember before Pavia, Clark Lee was kind

744
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 3: of a hot seat. How quickly things change because of

745
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 3: this one guy. And I think, obviously there's more that

746
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 3: goes into it, but Diego Pavia was very much the

747
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: mascot for what Vanderbilt is now trying to build under

748
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 3: clark Lee. And Clark Lee owes a lot to Diego

749
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: Pavia and the excitement he was able to.

750
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Speaker 1: Usher Mary Keil and all those guys who came in.

751
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I can only speak to Arver ballerhood which

752
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 3: I read the discord chats. I know what people have

753
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 3: to say. Even though Vanderbilt was no longer kind of

754
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: the perennial underdog, they're a good team.

755
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: This past year.

756
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 3: People still treated Vandy like an underdog. People are still

757
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: very smitten by the fact that Vanderbilt has gotten at

758
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 3: this point now where they're actually going to play in

759
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 3: some of these high leverage games, potentially knock off a team.

760
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: They were right there on the fringes of the playoff conversation.

761
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: They were in the end, So I know, oh, I

762
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 3: speak for over ballerhood when I say that Vandy was

763
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 3: a very popular team to root for. Diego Pavia obviously

764
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: was sort of carrying the torch for all that. And

765
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Speaker 3: I'm with you, man, pavi As. Thing number thirteen is

766
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: a really really thing, a really important thing that we

767
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 3: needed to mention.

768
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: So Vandy finished with the number two points per drive

769
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Speaker 2: scored offense in America, barely behind North Texas playing an

770
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Speaker 2: SEC schedule, and I believe who they played in the

771
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 2: non conference. I want to say they played Virginia Tech.

772
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Speaker 2: So I just it's super impressive what they did. What's

773
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Speaker 2: your next item?

774
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Speaker 1: You set me up, ice man.

775
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Speaker 3: Yes, Drew mest Maker, Okay, Drew Mestemaker and North Texas

776
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: maybe not a household name of a program or a

777
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: household name of a quarterback, but his story is remarkable.

778
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 3: He's being paid handsomely now as he makes the move

779
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 3: north good to Oklahoma State and still Water to follow

780
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: his coacher Morris, who took the job with the.

781
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: Pokes, but.

782
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 3: Drew Mestimaker's story is kind of cool for him to

783
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 3: kind of burst onto the scene not having a whole

784
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 3: lot of experience, wildly under recruited, which by the way,

785
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 3: is a hallmark of any Eric Morris led offense or

786
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 3: program or anything. He's been very good at spotting these

787
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,240
Speaker 3: guys that are under recruited that he thinks can pop

788
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 3: mess to make one of them.

789
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: It was cam Ward and Baker Mayfield, I want to

790
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 2: say Man during his time at Wazoo, and then before

791
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: that with Baker Mayfield's recruitment at I want to say

792
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: Texas Tech.

793
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I am excited.

794
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 3: I think Mess to Maker will be very much a

795
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 3: talking point now as we go into twenty twenty six,

796
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: and Morris was able to bring some other key contributors

797
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 3: with him as he made the move north. But I

798
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 3: think what North Texas did in a very short amount

799
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 3: of time on the back of this exciting quarterback and

800
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 3: a very exciting running back to who should not go

801
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: un mentioned here, but the Drew Mestemaker story to me

802
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 3: was damn cool. And I feel like, if we're being

803
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 3: honest about just the lay of the land around college

804
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 3: football and specifically the G five, North Texas was in

805
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 3: that playoff conversation too, do in no small part because

806
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 3: of Drew Mestmaker or what he did this season.

807
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 2: I want to say, Kayleb Hawkins and Why Young both

808
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 2: committed to Oklahoma State as well, following Eric Morris and

809
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 2: Drew Mestamaker. Yeah, incredible story. I mean, this is a

810
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 2: North Texas program that has had extremely down seasons relatively recently.

811
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: The Seth Latrell era and died not super well. Obviously,

812
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: neither did the Dan McCartney era. Like, it's a program

813
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 2: that should always have competitive teams given their location and

814
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 2: given the opportunity for players from the state and their

815
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 2: ability to transfer home and play in Denton. But yeah,

816
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 2: it was a great story. It was a super fun

817
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: Even the losses were fun for I mean, not for

818
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: North Texas fans, but the entirety of Drew Mestmaker not

819
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: even playing in high school, being a high school backup

820
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 2: and walking on at North and exploding and having huge

821
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 2: offers and opting to follow Eric Morris to Oklahoma State.

822
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Speaker 1: I think it's a huge story. You're right, you're up.

823
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: What do we got next? Okay?

824
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: The secret gumpiness. I mean it's really two West Coast teams.

825
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: And I had said Wazoo before because they had almost

826
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: beaten a couple of different playoff or playoff ish teams.

827
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 2: In I want to say Virginia Ole Miss and James Madison.

828
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about UCLA's the entirety

829
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 2: of the UCLA experience in twenty twenty five. Okay, So

830
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,760
Speaker 2: it starts with bringing back a coach who really struggled

831
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: in year one but finished I think more positively, taking

832
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: the story of the spring in as their new starting quarterback,

833
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 2: nico Ia Maliava right from Tennessee, coming back home to

834
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: southern California and taking over the starting job at UCLA.

835
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,720
Speaker 2: Their season, starting with a loss to Utah, get absolutely

836
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: shelled by Utah. What happens with Utah season? They're good,

837
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: They're having new quarterback, new coordinator, their coach retire, doesn't

838
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 2: retire but steps down and gets an even bigger job. Right,

839
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: so Utah is suddenly very newsy unlv Year one of

840
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen. They end up in what the Mountain West

841
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: title game, right, which we might have a second to

842
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: get to in a moment. New Mexico. Huge story in

843
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 2: the Mountain West, with Jason Eck beating UCLA, getting their

844
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: head coach fired. Deshaun Foster is out after an zero

845
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: to three start. They go to Northwestern, who proceeds to

846
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 2: beat UCLA and eventually hire recent UCLA head coach Chip

847
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 2: Kelly as the new offensive coordinator. They beat Penn State,

848
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 2: starting the train rolling to get James Franklin fired.

849
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: And that's by the way.

850
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:40,240
Speaker 2: They beat Penn State in Westwood, and that was Withdrew

851
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 2: Aller an ugly, ugly performance from Penn State. In the

852
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: letdown spot, they beat Michigan State down, who fires their

853
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 2: head coach eventually before hiring Northwestern's recent fired coach and

854
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 2: Pat Fitzgerald. Maryland decides to hang on to Mike Loxley.

855
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: That's not exactly crazy exciting. Indiana wins an Sational championship.

856
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 2: Matt Ruhle might take the Penn State job, might not

857
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: take the Penn State job. Dylan Royola transfers Nebraska is

858
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,399
Speaker 2: just all over the place. Ohio state's number one team

859
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: in the country eventually loses in the playoff. Washington might

860
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: lose their starting quarterback to the Portal for seemingly no reason,

861
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,799
Speaker 2: but then he decides to return, and then they lose

862
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 2: to their rival and USC who had a weird season

863
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 2: and was very gumpy and just hired Gary Patterson to

864
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 2: be their defensive coordinator. UCLA has been a part of it.

865
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know.

866
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: There was just something to that season that oh and

867
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 2: Tim Skipper did pretty well. And then they hire a

868
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: playoff coach in James Madison's Bob Chesney all over the place.

869
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 3: Jerry Newheisel and Jerry new Heiseel, that beautiful Maine, that

870
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: targarian hare that he had, Yes, I thought, for a

871
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: moment captured the imagination of the college football universe. He

872
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 3: was a very very popular name there for a good

873
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 3: four or five week stretch. Where did I see he

874
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: move to? Is he come to north Western?

875
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Now?

876
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 2: I think Jerry Neuheisel is now local to me. He

877
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 2: followed Chip and is going to be at Northwestern. And

878
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: by the way, Ucla also I think announced that they're

879
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:11,439
Speaker 2: no longer going to play in the Rose Bowl.

880
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. It's all over the place with UCLA.

881
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'll be honest with you. Ucla needs it. They

882
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 3: need something of a control all delete oh yeah, twice

883
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 3: to get this thing back on the rails because it's

884
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 3: been a minute since it felt stable.

885
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: And didn't Bill Simmons. Wasn't Bill Simmons part of the

886
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 2: like selling committee to Bob Chesney to bring him to

887
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 2: LA because Bill Simmons really liked what he did at

888
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 2: holy Cross. I did not think that was part of it.

889
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: I did.

890
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 2: Bill Simmons, I think called up Bob Chesney. He was like,

891
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: you should come to UCLA. It's great out here. That

892
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: was like part of the recruitment of Bob Chesney was

893
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 2: Bill Simmons calling him up well to convince him to

894
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 2: come to LA.

895
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 3: Let's put it this way, when when you're doing an

896
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: exercise like this here, you're looking for things that were

897
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 3: influential either for the entirety of the season and for

898
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 3: a few weeks or just a moment that captured imagination.

899
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: Jerry Neuheisel and n l V both before the season,

900
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,760
Speaker 3: as you mentioned with Nico during the season or UCLA

901
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 3: excuse me, the firing of the coach. The way things

902
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 3: kind of went back on the rails ended up being

903
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 3: a half decent program in the very end that to me,

904
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: it was nothing if not influential.

905
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: So I think you're I mean, they.

906
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 2: Basically got James Franklin fired. It was like, I mean,

907
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 2: the Northwestern thing was like the nail and the coffin,

908
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 2: but they purchased the coffin after the CLA gess right,

909
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 2: and it was the like UCLA shouldn't be insulted. But

910
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 2: it's also the Penn State lost to UCLA. How could

911
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: you lose to a team like UCLA. We might need

912
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 2: to have a conversation. So they got that rolling as well.

913
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: So wild.

914
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to have John Mattier next Okay, John Mattier,

915
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 3: John myttears be back again this year, which would be good,

916
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: would be good for Oklahoma of course, see if they

917
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: can get their offense back on track. But so much

918
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,720
Speaker 3: of the conversation in the build up to the twenty

919
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: five season was Oklahoma getting a package deal John Matier,

920
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 3: his coordinator Ben Arbuckle coming down from Wazoo. We made

921
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: a video at one point.

922
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: That did really really well.

923
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 3: It was just a clip from our episodes, but it

924
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 3: was you talking about how John Mattier had sort of

925
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 3: very quickly achieved folk hero status.

926
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: Oh maybe after the Michigan game. Yeah. Yeah.

927
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 3: And of course John Matier had his own roller coaster

928
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: this season. He had the thumb injury, he get surgery,

929
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: he came back from it very quickly, played in the

930
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 3: Red River game, played great, but he very much was

931
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 3: like the key cog on that offense. The combination between

932
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: him and Isaiah Setana is by and large, outside of

933
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: their defense what got them into the playoff to begin.

934
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: With, you can't say by and large, and then outside

935
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: of the one much bigger reason.

936
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying outside of the defense, Jo Matier and

937
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 3: what he was able to do mainly with his legs,

938
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 3: but then at times when he had a wide open

939
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 3: Isaiah Satania, they were able to use that for big plays.

940
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,720
Speaker 3: But that was sort of the catalyst on offense. Nobody

941
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 3: listening to this is going to be confused into thinking

942
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 3: that Oklahoma was some sort of juggernaut on offense. But

943
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 3: Ja Matier and his ability to just make it work,

944
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 3: draw it up in the dirt. There was a little

945
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 3: bit of Baker Mayfield in the game. I think that's

946
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 3: fair to say, certainly as a runner.

947
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think his ability.

948
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: To kind of come down to Norman immediately inject some

949
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 3: more excitement into that program. There was a lot of

950
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: anticipation before he got there. We can debate whether or

951
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 3: not he lived up to the hype, but I do

952
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:57,080
Speaker 3: think just this constant tracking of materire, will.

953
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: He play, won't he play? What can he do? Can

954
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: he do? End game?

955
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 3: That's going to shake things up. We know he's a

956
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 3: bit of an improviser back there. The entire job Materier

957
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 3: experience needs to be mentioned as part of this conversation.

958
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: I agree there was something very funny about the Oklahoma

959
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: discourse this season that Oklahoma as a fan base, again

960
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 2: by and large, is used to complaining about defense. Yes,

961
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 2: is used to saying like, well, yeah, we can score points,

962
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 2: but who were we stopping man? And I was probably

963
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:35,720
Speaker 2: came to a head against was LSU in the twenty

964
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: nineteen season playoff game where they got like fifty points

965
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: dropped on him in the first half. Now, Oklahoma fans,

966
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 2: it seems, are using like when somebody says something nice

967
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: about Oklahoma, I think the savvier Oklahoma fans start responses

968
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: with no, for sure, but like it's cool. It's cool,

969
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 2: like you're in the playoff conversation. No, for sure, it's cool,

970
00:50:58,760 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 2: we're in the playoff conversation.

971
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:02,600
Speaker 1: We're scoring like sixteen points a game.

972
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 2: And that was to me part of the John Mattier

973
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 2: experience and part of the Ben Arbuckle experience and part

974
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: of the personnel on hand experience of Oklahoma football.

975
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: Was the no for sure.

976
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: But like with the five percent win expectancy over Alabama

977
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 2: the first time, going up seventeen to nothing in the

978
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: playoff game, there was something very fun about John Mattier

979
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: aka Thumb and Thumber. But we're gonna need to see

980
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 2: thank you that was on the fly tie. We're gonna

981
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 2: need to see a step forward. So we don't have

982
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: to talk about it as a folk hero, because folk

983
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: hero sort of implies like, yeah, it didn't have all

984
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 2: the tools available to him, but managed to get the

985
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 2: princess out of the castle. Now we're just like, man,

986
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: Let's see how he does with a sword. Let's see

987
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 2: if he has an offense available to him, and if

988
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: he is able to evolve into the quarterback of a

989
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, above average offense, that would be nice.

990
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: I have our final item here. I'm gonna call this

991
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: one out then. I think we've got a long list here.

992
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 1: If we want to.

993
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,800
Speaker 3: Write yeah, if we want to do other receiving votes quickly,

994
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 3: we can do that. Number seventeen is just broadly tiebreakers.

995
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 3: I like this tie breakers, and there are two ends

996
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 3: of the spectrum. We could go the ACC route, which

997
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 3: is putting Duke in the AEC title game five loss,

998
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 3: Duke winning your ACC championship with a quarterback who is

999
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 3: now headed to Miami.

1000
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: I think officially there's that side of it.

1001
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 2: HM.

1002
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: The other side of it is what happened in the

1003
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 3: Mountain West where we had a four way tiebreaker, they

1004
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: couldn't break the tie eventually. Our friend Bill Connolly and

1005
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: his sp plus rankings were part of the ensemble of

1006
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,360
Speaker 3: other ranking systems that were used to eventually give a

1007
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 3: nod to both UNLV and Boise State to go to

1008
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 3: the Mountain West title Game Boise State one thirty eight

1009
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 3: to twenty. Tie breakers in this new world order of

1010
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 3: college football where every conference seemingly has a gajillion teams

1011
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 3: are very important. It is very important to understand how

1012
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 3: they work. It is very very important to understand the

1013
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 3: nuances of them. Once you understand the nuances, it sort

1014
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,280
Speaker 3: of makes the whole thing make a little bit more sense.

1015
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 3: But truly, you need a website. You need a web

1016
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: You need somebody who put in the work to code

1017
00:53:25,600 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 3: this thing out. Give you the option to select all

1018
00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: the little boxes to figure out who wanted to loss,

1019
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 3: and then spit out what exactly would be the end result,

1020
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 3: who would get in and who wouldn't. It is complicated,

1021
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 3: but tie breakers have never been more important in college football,

1022
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 3: and that absolutely.

1023
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 1: Was the case this year.

1024
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, look with having Duke Virginia as two teams clearly

1025
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: ranked below an ACC team in Miami, and I'm sure

1026
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 2: that ACC is going to continue to think about how

1027
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: its tiebreakers work. I just love that we got to

1028
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: the point where our friend Bill Connolly had to weigh

1029
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: in with his you know, predictive sp plus platform to

1030
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: say like, well, here's where it all comes down with

1031
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: regard to UNLV and what was it San Diego State, UNLV,

1032
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 2: Boise State, and New Mexico. Nobody's taking my idea to

1033
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 2: just fly all the coaches to a giant Olympic sized pool.

1034
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 2: We do some kind of medley, like the style thing.

1035
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1036
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well we get Jason Eck doing breaststroke and backstroke

1037
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,840
Speaker 2: and everything like that, and we go from there, like,

1038
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: if we're going to be ridiculous about this, I think

1039
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: we should go in that direction.

1040
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: The tiebreakers were a major By the way, this is

1042
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: not related, but kind of related. We had the College

1043
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: Football Playoff Committee introduced like new terminology to decide because

1044
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 2: they basically said Notre Dame is better and has done

1045
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 2: more than Miami since that game, and we're only using

1046
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: the head to head as a tiebreaker once they find

1047
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 2: them elves in the same I forget the exact word.

1048
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 2: It was like in the same bundle, right, the same cluster.

1049
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 2: Was that the word that they used, I forget what.

1050
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 1: It was speaking of clusters, that's what.

1051
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,520
Speaker 2: And they just like they just spoke about it as

1052
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: if it's something that we had all agreed upon. Was

1053
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 2: a real way of talking about like why horse, of course,

1054
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: clusters is a cluster different from a bundle. It was

1055
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 2: so good that they were like, all right, here's what

1056
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 2: we're doing. Obviously this has all been laid out and

1057
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 2: all of the course working material we passed out like

1058
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 2: the same cluster, the same bundle, get out of here.

1059
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: I loved it so much. Because I hated it so much,

1060
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1061
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,240
Speaker 1: It was great.

1062
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: Tiebreakers, tiebreakers, tiebreakers. Now head to head doesn't matter until

1063
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: they're pushed up against each.

1064
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: Other, until they're back to back in belly to belly, right,

1065
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, I tiebreakers, tiebreakers probably speaking, very very important.

1066
00:55:53,880 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 3: It wasn't just those two conferences we were talking about it.

1067
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 3: I felt like the entire back half of the season. Yeah,

1068
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: and we weren't the only ones if you went online

1069
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 3: read I mean, everybody was talking through tiebreaker scenarios, be

1070
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 3: it in the SEC or even in the Big Ten,

1071
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 3: the Big Twelve.

1072
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 1: Certainly the Big Twelve is not I mean to this either.

1073
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 2: By the way it I mean, look, it had to happen.

1074
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: But with regard to the Mountain West, the Mountain West

1075
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 2: was incredible this year. Oh the Mountain West was quietly

1076
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: oh yeah, one of the most entertaining conferences in the sport.

1077
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: Right.

1078
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: Poise State has a slow start, New Mexico again another

1079
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: team that emerges. San Diego State was awesome after some

1080
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 2: down years UNLV in year one after Barry Otam Fresno

1081
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 2: State with a new coach. Hawaii wins nine games. There

1082
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 2: was a ton of fun in this conference.

1083
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: No, I couldn't agree more.

1084
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,800
Speaker 3: And by the way, Dan, speaking of conferences and speaking

1085
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 3: of stories, maybe that will be first and foremost in

1086
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. The Pac twelve is back, Baby Pack

1087
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 3: twelve is back.

1088
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 2: Speaking of the Mountain West, just they put a new

1089
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 2: sticker on top of the old sticker.

1090
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: God.

1091
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Speaker 3: Anyway, those are seventeen things that made twenty twenty five unique.

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Speaker 3: We've got a long list of other things, Dan, Why

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00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 3: don't you talk through some that jump out to you?

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Speaker 2: I have, okay, from the top, we have Brent Priye

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00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: being hired back by Virginia Tech. It wasn't defining the season,

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Speaker 2: but it was unique enough where you're just like, they're

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00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 2: doing what now with whom?

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the defense? Like that guy?

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Speaker 2: Okay, and like on a certain level you understand it,

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Speaker 2: but you're just like, that's different.

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Speaker 3: Let me ask you this though, on the coaching thing.

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Speaker 3: We did not mention Sharon Moore in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: We didn't, and we probably could have bundled that in somewhere.

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Speaker 3: We probably could have, But you know that, when I

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00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: think of the season, right, this was like an extra

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00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 3: curric now, no pun intended, but like extracurricular thing after

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00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 3: the season, right, This wasn't necessarily how Michigan played, how

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Speaker 3: Michigan performed. I mean, we can obviously talk about Sharon Moore,

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Speaker 3: whether or not he was even qualified for that job.

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Speaker 3: To begin with Sharon Moore in the long December of

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Speaker 3: Michigan football, to me, is not necessarily I look at

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Speaker 3: as something that defined the season as a whole. It

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Speaker 3: is certainly a talking point. If anything, I think it's

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Speaker 3: going to define more of the twenty twenty sixth season

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Speaker 3: as we look forward. But the way that all went down,

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was a catastrophe. It was. It was

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Speaker 3: a horrible experience there for a couple of weeks. I

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00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 3: like Kyle Whittingham. I hope he's able to write that ship,

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Speaker 3: but I don't want to put too much emphasis on that.

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Speaker 3: It was a major breaking news story. It was a

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Speaker 3: huge deal here. But if I think back to the

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Speaker 3: season itself, the college football part of it that we

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Speaker 3: all know and love, that's why I didn't include Charon Moore.

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Speaker 3: And you could, you could argue with me if you want,

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Speaker 3: but that's why I did not include it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't the regular season. Obviously, that silly season

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00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: is part of this all and a good example of

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Speaker 2: why like coaching carousel's never fully done. It is never

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Speaker 2: fully screeching to a halt. And the timing of that

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00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 2: was also interesting. With like which just became a better

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00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: coach after the season ended, every two days, Kaylin de

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00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: Boor became a better coach every two days. Like Kurtz,

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00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 2: Signette should have added two million dollars to his contract

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00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: every time his name came up. He should have taken

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00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 2: every call and added two million dollars like he should

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00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: be making twenty four million dollars a season based on

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00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: the number of teams who probably tried to get in

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00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:25,560
Speaker 2: on that conversation I have down here Deon Sanders pre

1139
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 2: season press conference announcing bladder cancer and joking about diapers.

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Speaker 2: I'm always going to be a fan of Deon Sanders.

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: I'm always going to be a fan of like his

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00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 2: outlook and the way he carries himself. I think it's

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00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: just very entertaining. But I did enjoy that he was

1144
00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 2: very candid and direct and had a sense of humor

1145
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 2: about you know, a pretty terrible thing that happened to

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Speaker 2: him speak.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of coaches, now, another coach name that we did

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Speaker 3: not include in our initial batch of seventeen is billion

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 3: Apier Yes in Florida, and I think we will probably

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00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 3: get some pushback that we did not including here. This

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00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 3: is less of a it's more of a list and

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01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 3: the items that jumped out to us. I think the

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Speaker 3: reason I didn't include napier On here is because a

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01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 3: it felt like a foregone conclusion with the way that

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: the season started that he was not going to be

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01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 3: long for Gainesville, and specifically then after Penn State made

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Speaker 3: the move on James Franklin, and after we saw other

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01:00:18,600 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 3: moves around college football, it almost felt to me like

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Speaker 3: this A, Yes, was foregone conclusion, but b kind of

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01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 3: faded into the background of things. It was just assumed

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01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 3: that they were going to move on, they were going

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01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,840
Speaker 3: to go in a different direction. Florida did not play well,

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Speaker 3: it didn't work out well.

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: Then it became more foreground when Lane Kiffin was considering

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01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: his future opportunities.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, the Florida opening, for sure, I thought popped a

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01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 3: little bit more in that sense than it did early on.

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Speaker 1: With Sure, early on Florida not playing.

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01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 3: Well, it seemed as though that die was cast very

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01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 3: early that Napier was not going to be the guy,

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01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 3: and eventually they made the move they want a different direction.

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01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 3: But for me, thinking back, it's maybe Florida fans and

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01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 3: SEC fans might feel differ, but I don't. I don't

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01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 3: gravitate to that point the way that I would have

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01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 3: expected when I went back and thought through what things

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 3: popped me.

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Speaker 2: Let's be clear, though you talk about how like the

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01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: die was cast, it was a foregone conclusion. It took

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01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: James Franklin losing to UCLA and losing to Northwestern for

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01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 2: the powers that be at Penn State saying to themselves,

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01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 2: you know what this is Probably this era has probably

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01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 2: gone on too long, you know, Penn State. It just

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01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 2: seems like there's a lot of internal stuff that's not

1184
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 2: going to be solved with James Franklin at the helm.

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01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 2: Billy Napier beat Mississippi State, Yeah, and then Florida was like,

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01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 2: we're still dumb with you, so they fired I mean,

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01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: obviously I think it was the bye week the week

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: after that, so they just figured the timing was such,

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01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: like was there a number that if they beat Mississippi

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01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 2: State by thirty five would that have forced their hand

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01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 2: to like keep him, It would have. It's it's kind

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 2: of a wild thing, but yes, that's the degree. It

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01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: was a foregone conclusion. He won a game. Y Yeah,

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01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: I would say Pete Golden getting the old miss job. Okay,

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01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 2: I think that's something you like, getting the old miss job,

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01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 2: you know, at that the tail end of the Lane

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01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:13,000
Speaker 2: Kiffin thing, and then immediately starting his tenure by allegedly

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01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: tampering to an extreme degree with a linebacker transfer at

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Speaker 2: Clemson and being called out in a press conference by it.

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Speaker 1: Right, you mentioned the Duke thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean just that they lost five times, including to Yukon,

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01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 2: who was totally good, and winning the ACC West Virginia

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01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: bringing in fifty new dudes. Yeah, it's a lot of dudes.

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01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 3: Well, and bringing back rich Rodriguez and bringing back Rich

1205
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 3: rod Yeah, we didn't talk about Virginia, but Virginia quietly

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01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,680
Speaker 3: building itself into an ACC contender. Oh yeah, good quarterback

1207
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 3: in Chandler Morris, a good defense, giving that program new

1208
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 3: life again. UVA not necessarily a program we're used to

1209
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 3: talking about as being a contender for anything in college football,

1210
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:02,919
Speaker 3: but that was kind of the story of the year.

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Speaker 3: On a couple different fronts. Tony Elliott did a really

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01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 3: good job. Toniel was another one of those names that was,

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01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 3: you know, kind of borderline on the hot seat, like

1214
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: where's this sure, where's this going? It didn't start off great,

1215
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 3: but last season was definitely a bit of a revelation.

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Speaker 1: So I think Uba is.

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Speaker 3: One of those schools that we should talk about. I

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Speaker 3: mentioned earlier nobody's going to talk about the Kansas State Owls,

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01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,440
Speaker 3: but Kansas State won ten games. Kansas State made a

1220
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 3: coaching change. They were not good last year in their

1221
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 3: first year in FBS, as you might expect, but this

1222
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 3: year obviously a bit of a turnaround story.

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Speaker 1: They had a really, really nice year. Are the the

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01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 1: top owls? I think they were the top owls?

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Speaker 2: Better than Temple, better than Rice.

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01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 3: How about Avery Johnson's dad and brother fighting in the

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01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 3: parking lot overnight in Ireland?

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01:03:54,120 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: That was a low light That was a long time

1229
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,760
Speaker 2: ago tie. It felt like that was a night degrees

1230
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 2: hotter ago where I live.

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01:04:03,560 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 3: I had.

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Speaker 2: Oh Like, in addition to the Kennesaus State thing, how

1233
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: about Delaware and Missouri State first year after.

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01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 3: I think we called that out briefly in the first

1235
01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 3: step briefly. Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1236
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 2: We had Okay Lee Karso retired. We mentioned Paul Finebaumb

1237
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 2: flirted with a Senate run and then had to like

1238
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 2: go on like a weird sullen tour on TV after

1239
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:25,800
Speaker 2: the Big Ten had a good season because he built

1240
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,600
Speaker 2: his entire personality out of these teams are good. I

1241
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 2: don't know anything else from the season. We're just like

1242
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,280
Speaker 2: people forget. A lot of weird stuff happens during the year.

1243
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: Any other shirtless takes.

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01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:42,920
Speaker 1: You have, sureless takes, No, No, I think that's it.

1245
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 3: Look, we had a bunch of people send stuff in

1246
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 3: solid Verbo at gmail dot com. We're still going through

1247
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 3: all that stuff. We appreciate people's response to the episode.

1248
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 3: The response has been very very positive. People see have

1249
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 3: enjoyed this, so we can add it back into the

1250
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: rolodex of things that we do to put a bow

1251
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 3: on every college football season. Not to get too far

1252
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 3: out ahead of ourselves as we build towards twenty twenty six.

1253
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 3: We're still sort of digesting here from twenty twenty five again, though,

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Speaker 3: If you've got feedbacksliverbal at gmail dot com, leave a comment.

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Speaker 3: love to hear from you what we got right, what

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01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 3: we got wrong, what we left out? What really did

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Speaker 3: it for you as you look back on the season

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Speaker 3: that was?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Absolutely? Why don't we leave it? There? Covered a

1262
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Speaker 1: lot of round here over these last two episodes.

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