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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production of

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Speaker 1: the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where

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Speaker 1: we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by FHF Gear,

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Speaker 1: American Maid, purpose built hunting and fishing gear that's designed

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Speaker 1: to be as rugged as the place as we explore.

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Speaker 2: So, Tim got in trouble last night.

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Speaker 1: He did Tim the squirrel dog.

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Speaker 3: He almost never does anything wrong. He's very smart. We

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Speaker 3: were gone for the weekend. He might have been neglected

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Speaker 3: a little bit by his caretakers.

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Speaker 1: And by neglected meaning he wasn't like pamper pampered effort

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Speaker 1: and petted and table food like. Perhaps he had to

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Speaker 1: live like a normal dog for that day.

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Speaker 3: He got in our trash last night, which is he's

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Speaker 3: never ever done before.

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Speaker 1: And well it wasn't last night because he was up

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Speaker 1: last night, but he got into the trash. I walk

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Speaker 1: our porch. I had left some trash out. I angrily

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Speaker 1: what it was. I mean, we don't really see stray dogs.

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Speaker 1: We did have a stray pig out last night.

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Speaker 2: Possible it was our straight pig.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it was definitely our pig. Maybe it was a pig,

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Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't. I let Tim out, and I already

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Speaker 1: picked up the trash, resacked it up, put it on

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Speaker 1: which is a long way from.

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Speaker 2: Our house, a tenth of a mile from our house.

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Speaker 1: And I walk out and Tim has shredded the trash

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Speaker 1: and it's everywhere, which is so uncharacteristic. Tim is like

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Speaker 1: and then so you.

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Speaker 3: Can and so so. Anyway, so he seemed like he

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Speaker 3: got chestised pretty hard. And it's because Tim has this

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Speaker 1: He's like a He was chestised very hard.

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Speaker 3: If Tim were an vineagram, he'd need an enneagram one.

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Speaker 3: And so he perceives. He takes everything he really wants

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Speaker 3: to do right. He's trying to read the room at

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Speaker 3: all times, trying to be morally upright.

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Speaker 2: Whatever.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, clearly he did wrong, and he has been hiding

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, so, I guess so, so Clay.

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Speaker 3: And I are standing like how far distance wise feet wise,

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Speaker 3: it was longer than that. It was further than that

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Speaker 3: because we were and I said, what did you? I said,

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Speaker 3: he's been hiding all day? And Klay said, Tim, come here,

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Speaker 3: and Clay's like trying to make up with him Tim.

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Speaker 2: Tim hikes his butt up in the air.

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Speaker 1: He does this weird the weirdest.

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Speaker 3: Thing I've ever seen an animal do. He hikes his

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Speaker 3: butt up in the air, and he like SLINKs to Clay.

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Speaker 1: It's like a sidewalk. He's like walking towards me with

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Speaker 3: His legs are up really high every step he takes,

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Speaker 3: and he's like coming over to Clay. He gets to

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Speaker 3: me first, and he comes and he like wraps his

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Speaker 1: This whole time he's looking at me because I have

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Speaker 1: I have shamed him. And you know, I think you

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Speaker 1: can tell a lot about a man by his dog

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Speaker 1: scolding voice. I know for sure, Spencer, Yeah, I could

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Speaker 1: scold that. I tremble thinking about about yours.

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Speaker 4: It looks like a mange. When I'm done with.

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Speaker 1: All I did was give Tim a a full throttle

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Speaker 4: Threw my hat and you know, you went junior high

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Speaker 1: But he finally walked over to me and I I

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Speaker 1: he thinks everything's okay now ye. So yeah, that was

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Speaker 1: that was Tim the squirrel Dog. Welcome to the Beargary

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Speaker 1: shrender everybody, it's a man. Do we ever have? We

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Speaker 1: have a very interesting group of people here today. Two

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Speaker 1: new guests on the podcast. There's seven of us here.

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Speaker 1: We only have six headphones. We've got one mystery guest

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Speaker 1: who will be revealed after I introduced regular guests. To

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Speaker 1: my left, I have my lovely wife, doctor Misty Nukeom Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, happreat to see you.

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Speaker 1: Thank Christy, you're becoming such a regular. I don't even

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Speaker 1: I want to give you a nickname.

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Speaker 5: Okay, we'll think about that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, so Christy Spillmaker, why.

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Speaker 2: She's please don't code.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: They so great to have you. Thank you, Josh Landbridge spilmmaker. Yes, hey,

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Speaker 1: I found the book that you inspired me to buy

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Speaker 1: would you would you read this if I if I

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Speaker 1: lent it to you, Yes, Barringia, the last Giant of Beringia.

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Speaker 1: I remember when I read this back in like two

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Speaker 1: thousand and four or whenever I remember. I just remember

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Speaker 1: reading it being like, is this sky real Scott Pictures. No,

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Speaker 1: it's good, it's good. It's a great book.

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Speaker 6: You've underlined some things in here.

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Speaker 1: Always always wait till you got to see some of

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Speaker 1: my new books. That was back in the early days.

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Speaker 1: To Josh has left, Tarrell across the Creek Farm thou

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Speaker 1: Wag Spencer. Great to have Terrell. I've never called you Teryl.

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Speaker 4: Why did?

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Speaker 1: When I get on this I call you? Spence is

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Speaker 1: our local pastured poultry farmer. Foul wag, longtime dear friend

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Speaker 1: of ours and Spence, why don't you introduce our our

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Speaker 1: real guest.

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Speaker 7: Of the day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a former Yeah, drum roll, drum roll, former Cross

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Speaker 4: County Arkansas, Rice queen and much better half. And Carla Spencer.

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Speaker 8: Carla, this is big. I've tried to get you on

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Speaker 8: here before and stuff just happened. She's a talented woman's

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Speaker 8: in demand. Man, Hey, Carla. Every time I see Carla,

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Speaker 8: she's always I can tell I keep a beat on

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Speaker 8: people on how close they're paying attention to Bear Grease,

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Speaker 8: you know, with friends, and a lot of them are

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Speaker 8: just kind of posers. I mean they're like, oh, man,

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Speaker 8: that whole call your series, that was great, and I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 8: that was six months ago, and you know, stuff like that,

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Speaker 8: like I'm filing away.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I say it directly, other times I hold it

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Speaker 1: back and just file it away. It's like, okay, kind

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Speaker 1: of behind stuff like that. Carla stops me on the road,

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Speaker 1: like the day of pod cast comes out and she's like,

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Speaker 1: oh excited, Yeah, so you should have been here a

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Speaker 1: long time ago.

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Speaker 4: Well yea, and not on your game now.

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Speaker 1: Great to have your Carlo, and you were raising the Delta.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about all this. I was the

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Speaker 1: real mister River Delta. Yeah, the real deal, the h

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Speaker 1: our mystery guest though first time appearance, actually not No.

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Speaker 2: He's been on here for.

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Speaker 1: You think this young man has been on this podcast before.

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Speaker 2: Without a shadow of doubt.

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Speaker 1: He's been on this podcast Montana.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, shamed me on my own River Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like just mystery guest is Bear John Newcom

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Speaker 1: Good to see brother, huge fan huge fan, Big fan

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Speaker 1: tell us about that bullet. First of all, how long

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Speaker 1: did it take you to grow that sucker? What do

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Speaker 1: you feed it? It's been about a three year cycle.

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Speaker 6: It's down officially below the collar.

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Speaker 2: I think he's going to have to give it a

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Speaker 2: little snip stick before. What I think is.

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Speaker 1: Funny in our school about the Bear is going to

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Speaker 2: And that's not at all true.

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Speaker 4: Art, but he just got a little more business up front.

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Speaker 3: Now there's a pretty strict uniform policy. What I love

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Speaker 3: a cycle. One of my favorite Bears mullet stories is

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Speaker 3: that when Bear was you know, Bears, Bears had heis

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Speaker 3: and lows in his academic journey. And I'm not trying

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Speaker 3: But one time Bears g p a fell below what

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Speaker 3: Clay thought was appropriate. And Clay said, you can have

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Speaker 1: The So you can have a mull it, don't act

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Speaker 1: it's okay if you have a mullet, But.

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Speaker 6: Clay comes single handedly offending every mullet where.

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Speaker 1: The author of that book, man, yeah, that's God bless him.

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Speaker 2: He had to trim it up and he got a

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Speaker 6: Then he never heard of that being a reward, like

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Speaker 4: Can have a mullet until then a three point mullet.

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Speaker 1: Every point of g p A is like an extra jus,

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Speaker 6: If you take some AP classes, you get some lines.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, he had stripes for a while.

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Speaker 9: So Missy, I thought you were going to tell the

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Speaker 4: So we had what was a technical mullet.

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Speaker 3: Correlation was strong, Yeah, it was strong, and we had

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Speaker 3: you know, back during COVID, you there were all these

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Speaker 3: just going to do like a spirit night. Our kids

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Speaker 3: already hired, We had the gym and everything. So we

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Speaker 3: It was like a scrimmage basically, and our coach was

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Speaker 3: And he came over to the ref and he said, hey,

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Speaker 3: in this next play, could you please, could you please call.

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Speaker 3: And she was great, she was She totally played a

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Speaker 3: long and she blew the whistle and she looked at

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Speaker 2: And Bear was like, what, he's in the.

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Speaker 1: Middle of the game of the crowd scrimmage, but there's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And she called technical found and then she did

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Speaker 3: this hand motion like sweet bag and she said technical foul.

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Speaker 2: That's an offensive hair, dudelet. And all of.

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Speaker 3: The moms, because all the moms were also offended that

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Speaker 3: we let Bear get this hair haircut, and all the

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Speaker 3: moms in the stand just lit up. It was the

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Speaker 3: most like they started cheering. They were like, yes, it

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Speaker 2: Cut your hair.

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Speaker 1: Sorry you had to go through that, son. Well okay,

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Speaker 1: so I brought you on for one story. This is

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Speaker 1: saga of the Hillbilly Tarpin. Hillbilly Tarpin is a gar

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Speaker 1: on fly Okay, yes, well it wasn't quite on a fly. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: just tell you the whole cality sequence.

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Speaker 6: It's a worthy technicality.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, Well for some backstory, I've been trying to

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Speaker 7: catch a gar on a fly rod for like almost

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Speaker 7: a year and a half now, and I've used like

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Speaker 7: the nylon rope that everybody says.

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Speaker 1: That, like a thousands of people on Instagram have told

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Speaker 1: me thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I did that

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Speaker 1: like a lot last year.

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Speaker 4: I had a few said it wouldn't work.

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Speaker 1: I had a few like, hit it, but they immediately

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Speaker 1: spit it out.

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Speaker 7: They're pretty like pressured gar Like I know a lot

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Speaker 7: of people who try and pressure it's like, yeah, it's like.

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Speaker 4: I can't get caught by a guy at the bullet

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Speaker 4: a fly fisher with the mullet.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been swimming across and one grab your.

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Speaker 6: Bullet tangled up in that?

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Speaker 4: That's a trick man. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And so I know like a lot of people who

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Speaker 7: try and catch gar at this particular spot, and I

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Speaker 7: think they've just kind of got it figured out, Like

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Speaker 7: Uncle Zach has caught one there before using the nylon.

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Speaker 1: Oh really yeah, our Zach nukelem yep.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 1: And so I've tried it before. I've had him take it.

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Speaker 7: I've had him go for it and swerve it, but

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Speaker 7: I've never had it really like get tangled up right.

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Speaker 7: And so Uncle Josh actually made me like a really

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Speaker 7: nice one with like a dumbbell head on it, and

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Speaker 7: it was like a yellow nylon rope, nice and feathers

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Speaker 7: and it was like a real fly like it wasn't

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Speaker 7: like just like the rope, but it did have the

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Speaker 7: rope in it, and I had to take that. But

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Speaker 7: they just like took it so soft and spit it

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Speaker 7: out so quick. It didn't do anything. And so I

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Speaker 7: was out the other day and I had just like

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Speaker 7: what's called like a streamer on which basically is supposed

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Speaker 7: to just.

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Speaker 1: Look like a little bit fish.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So I was there with the streamer, and I

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Speaker 7: was I was trying to catch bass because it's a

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Speaker 7: real where I'm at is like a real deep pocket

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Speaker 7: in this river. And for the most part, it's just shallow.

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Speaker 7: There's a few kind of maybe like three footholes, but

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Speaker 7: then you get here and it's I mean, it's like

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Speaker 7: seven or eight feet.

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Speaker 4: And it's really hot and I right now and so

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Speaker 4: like the river's really there's only a few habitable spots

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Speaker 4: and that's kind of a honey hole where he's at.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and it's it's a real it's probably the widest

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Speaker 7: point of the river for a long time, so there's

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Speaker 7: whitest and deepest. So there's there's like a few bluffs

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Speaker 7: and rocks on the side of this little hole. And

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Speaker 7: basically I was fishing next to these bluffs because there's

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Speaker 7: caves that go back in them where there's bass and

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Speaker 7: just you know, the gar will sometimes you go back.

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Speaker 4: There, mermaid.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, And so I was trying to catch them, and

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Speaker 7: I caught like a little of brim.

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Speaker 1: I think it was like a long eared sunfish.

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Speaker 7: The real colorful ones long eer ye and uh, and

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Speaker 7: it I kind of fought it and got it in

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Speaker 7: and I see a gar go right out in front

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Speaker 7: of me probably, and I'm standing on like this rock

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Speaker 7: that's about three feet above the water, and I just

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Speaker 7: kind of like put it out there in front of

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Speaker 7: that gar and it goes for it and takes it

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Speaker 7: and basically it pulls it off the hook. And so

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Speaker 7: I was like, huh, I wonder if I could catch

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Speaker 7: one this way. And so I tied on a midge,

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Speaker 7: zebra midge, which is something that's no bigger than like

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Speaker 7: an apple seed maybe, and I put it out there,

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Speaker 7: caught a little sunfish.

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Speaker 6: That's an interest measures I like it.

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Speaker 1: I was about to say, why we got to bring

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Speaker 1: zebras into this, This is North America. I always get

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Speaker 1: upset when I see zebras in North America.

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Speaker 7: Carry I just got stripes. But and so I caught

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Speaker 7: one that was probably two inches long. And the midges

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Speaker 7: they don't have barbs on them, and I didn't really

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Speaker 7: think about that, and so I was kind of putting

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Speaker 7: it out there as I watched these gar rice, and uh,

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Speaker 7: they would.

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Speaker 1: I had a few spence use barbs on everything.

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Speaker 4: I'm there to eat and get groceries.

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Speaker 7: Well, and I had a few take again, but they

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Speaker 7: just pulled them off the hook. And so finally I

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Speaker 7: caught another one. I took a stick and I pushed

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Speaker 7: that midge like all the way down it like all

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Speaker 7: the way down its throat into probably stomach, and I

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Speaker 7: put that out there and it started swimming and I

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Speaker 7: just kind of guide it towards the middle. And what

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Speaker 7: they would do is they'd go out in the middle

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Speaker 7: and they'd get under like a rock or something to

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Speaker 1: And so I had bigar, know the brand brim yep.

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Speaker 7: So I would kind of pull them out from under

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Speaker 7: these rocks and just make them fight because anytime like.

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Speaker 1: It seemed to like them look wounded or something.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because like I'd see, like the guar just swim

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Speaker 7: right next to a perfectly healthy, you know fish and

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Speaker 7: wouldn't even think about it. But as soon as that

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Speaker 7: fish started struggling, they'd go for it. And so one

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Speaker 7: hit it, and I just gave it a bunch of

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Speaker 7: line because I knew, you know, like their mouths are

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Speaker 7: real bony, so you can't really hook them. And I

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Speaker 7: didn't even have a hook that was exposed, and so.

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Speaker 4: Wet pound test start using.

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Speaker 7: I'm using line as a five x tippet, so it's

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Speaker 7: probably like five or six pound test and so I

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Speaker 7: just give it all the line at once, and I

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Speaker 7: just kind of let it chew on it because I

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Speaker 7: you know, there was no way to catch it unless

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Speaker 7: it swallowed.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of what I was thinking.

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Speaker 7: And then once it swallowed, I could reel it in,

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Speaker 7: and so it I probably sat on this rock for

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Speaker 7: like twenty or thirty minutes, and my cousin was across

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Speaker 1: So I started.

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Speaker 7: I got to a point where I was like, I

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Speaker 7: think it's about to I think it's probably swallowed it.

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Speaker 7: And so I waited for you knew it was still

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Speaker 7: on there, yeah, and I could see the line. It

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Speaker 7: moved the line, and I waited till it swam pretty

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Speaker 7: close to me. I didn't want to start reeling it

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Speaker 7: in when it was way out there, yep. And then

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Speaker 7: I started pulling them in, and I mean it was

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Speaker 7: a pretty nice one. It was probably two and a

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Speaker 7: half feet maybe, and I called my cousin, I was

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Speaker 1: Better, yeah, yeah and a half. I'd say it's probably

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Speaker 1: one hundred and eighty apples, ye.

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Speaker 10: And so so he didn't cut your line though, No,

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Speaker 10: I was, and I was just happened last night, and

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Speaker 10: and and I hadn't I hadn't got the full stords.

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Speaker 1: Well well and so.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and so she was swimming over with the net

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Speaker 7: and I was, you know, I was, I had the drive. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: you have to swim across, swimming it.

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Speaker 1: And so you just pulled them right in. Well not yet, well,

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Speaker 1: I get it right on. The story just keeps going.

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Speaker 1: She comes over and she doesn't have the net yet,

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Speaker 1: and that one breaks off. This isn't even the one. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the story hasn't even started.

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Speaker 4: Started.

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Speaker 1: Well, but then I realized that I could catch them,

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Speaker 1: and so the next day I went back with kalo. Oh,

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Speaker 1: this isn't even the same day. This reminds me of

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Speaker 1: the first time Bear came home and told a deer

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Speaker 1: story to his grandmother. We have a video of like

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Speaker 1: a fourteen minute story of a six year old Bear

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Speaker 1: telling every second of the story that happened on his

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Speaker 1: first dear in a monotone voice, staring at the camera.

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Speaker 1: The deer he came out. Dad was excited, and then

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden there were two.

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Speaker 3: Except for Bear has a lot more infection in his

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Speaker 3: way because of the mullet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so you might speed us through.

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Speaker 7: The next day with my friend Caleb, and we're both

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Speaker 7: I'm just gonna like pretty much do the same thing.

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Speaker 7: I swim across the river, get on the rock. I

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Speaker 7: probably go through like six or seven little you know,

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Speaker 7: brim before I finally get.

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Speaker 6: One brims.

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Speaker 7: And uh, finally one took it and it brought it

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Speaker 7: like under one of these caves, and it sighed under

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Speaker 7: there for a long time, and I figured by that

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Speaker 7: point it probably swallowed it if it was sitting there,

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Speaker 7: but I let it swim around a little more and

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Speaker 7: then uh, let it get close.

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Speaker 1: I started reeling it in.

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Speaker 7: Caleb swims across and he grabs you, buddy, different day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, someday they'll learn to stay on the same side

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, stay on the same side of the

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Speaker 7: And uh, pretty much he swims over to a spot

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Speaker 7: just bringing this gar.

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Speaker 1: Like right next to him, trying to net it.

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Speaker 7: And we tried to net it like three or four times,

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Speaker 7: and then it would go on a big run and

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Speaker 7: then we'll bring it back and finally, and there were

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Speaker 7: some people that were up on a big bluff watching us,

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Speaker 7: like because we just now hooked into like a really

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Speaker 7: of had their attention, so they were all like yelling

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Speaker 7: at us and stuff. And Caleb, he finally gets it

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Speaker 7: in the net and we go get it up on

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Speaker 7: this rock. And it was a very nice one, about

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Speaker 7: the same size as the other one, one hundred and

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Speaker 7: eighty apple seed probably yeah, probably close to that. Well,

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Speaker 7: I thought it was some good ingenuity and uh, yeah,

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Speaker 7: the world really wants you to use a piece of

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Speaker 7: the inner workings of a piece of para cord and

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Speaker 7: so Josh.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I'd like to do it too. But it's

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Speaker 1: they're just sometimes like that.

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Speaker 4: You got the Texas rig and all these different setups.

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Speaker 4: Why can't you have like the bear rig or the

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Speaker 4: mullet rig or the mullet rig.

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Speaker 6: The mullet rig, I'm gonna make them fly that looks

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Speaker 6: like a punkin two inch pumpkin seed with a mullet

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Speaker 6: that's made out of paracord.

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Speaker 1: Wow, with a with a pair of cord tail.

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Speaker 4: I feel like you guys are pushing your paracord on Bear.

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Speaker 1: Well so did the world since Bear, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: All right, Bear, Bear won't be here anymore.

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Speaker 6: Get lost.

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Speaker 2: It was really fun to having you Bear. Thanks for letting.

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Speaker 4: Us Silas almost all the way up. He had to

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Speaker 4: like within two foot of him, and he was so excited.

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Speaker 4: He's squealing in the light because he's talking all kinds

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Speaker 4: of trash and he doesn't even have it in and

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Speaker 4: he gets it and we see it flopping and it

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Speaker 4: cuts the line and swims off crest. So he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I remember the time I caught a gar. It's like, no,

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Speaker 4: no Spencer's ever caught a gar.

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Speaker 9: But that story does remind me of like the little

444
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Speaker 9: old lady who swallowed a fly, right, and so then

445
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 9: you have to swallow the next thing and then the

446
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Speaker 9: next thing in order to get it.

447
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Speaker 11: So there you go.

448
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Speaker 1: I need I need to catch up on my h

449
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 1: woman who swallowed a fly. Yeah I can't.

450
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Speaker 5: I don't know why she swallowed.

451
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Speaker 11: There you go, thank you?

452
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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, well.

453
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Speaker 6: Wow, that was exhausting, emotional.

454
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Speaker 1: We got to the climax of the story and realized,

455
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. That was fun So

456
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,719
Speaker 1: second episode Missippi River Podcast. We're going to talk about that.

457
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 1: But first let me say, if you're listening to this

458
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:14,439
Speaker 1: podcast on the day it comes out or the day after,

459
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: which would be excuse me, the second, the second or

460
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 1: third of August, the meat Eater has their season opener sale,

461
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,439
Speaker 1: which is meat Eater, First Light, Phelps and FHF gears

462
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: biggest sales of the year, twenty to fifty percent off

463
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Speaker 1: on just about anything. So if you're listening to this

464
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Speaker 1: in like twenty twenty five, like, don't worry about it.

465
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Speaker 4: It's like the rest of the place. Friends.

466
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly, I'll get there. So, but if you're

467
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Speaker 1: if you're listening to this like Carla does on like

468
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Speaker 1: the day it comes out.

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Speaker 11: I'm faithful.

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Speaker 2: Yes, good job.

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Speaker 5: I'll have to shout out Will No, my my brother

472
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Speaker 5: in law, listen faithfully every.

473
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Speaker 4: Okay, one of the best farm hands I ever had,

474
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Speaker 4: Kenyan farm hands.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So I'm with Will that we got to stop

476
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: this story the season opener cell So Will. I was

477
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: with Will for like an hour and he made some

478
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Speaker 1: obscure reference to the Bear Grease podcast, and I said,

479
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: do you listen to the podcast? And he looked at

480
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: me and he said, I've listened to every single episode

481
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: you've ever made. Pretty pretty sure, that's what he said, yep,

482
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 1: And I said really and he said oh yeah, and

483
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Speaker 1: he started spouting off stuff from like that week. So

484
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Speaker 1: hat tip to Will.

485
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Speaker 6: You know what we went while they were here visiting

486
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Speaker 6: us for Mallory's wedding. We went out with some buddies

487
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 6: and had some dinner and we're waiting for our table

488
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Speaker 6: outside and this guy comes out and Will's wearing a

489
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Speaker 6: bear greas hat. Okay, and this guy goes bear grease man.

490
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,360
Speaker 6: He's like, he's like, you listen to the podcast. He's

491
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Speaker 6: like yeah. He's like he's like, you know, you know,

492
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Speaker 6: you need to come to the Bear Banans the Black

493
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Speaker 6: Bear Banans and meet Clay and he goes he goes, well, yeah,

494
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 6: that's a good idea. He's like, I know him and

495
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 6: he's like, that's Langbridge right there. The guy spins around.

496
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Lmbridge like the bear grease Yeah man,

497
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Speaker 1: yeah man, great, great faithful listener. Faith So if you're like,

498
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 1: well and listen to this on those days, you can

499
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: go to the Mediator store and get all kinds of

500
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Speaker 1: cool stuff so on this podcast, we're here to talk

501
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: about Mississippi River Episode two, which is took a wild turn.

502
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Speaker 1: So part of the render as we tell what happened

503
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Speaker 1: on the backside. I interviewed Earl Jasper the day before

504
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Speaker 1: the podcast came out. Oh wow, I mean, or the

505
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 1: day before I had to turn it in to the

506
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: powers that be that Phil Phil Taylor, and it just

507
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: came about really quick and I had you know, it

508
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: happens fairly often on Burgrease where I'll have an idea

509
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: for something and then all of a sudden, you just

510
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: have to get it. I messaged him and he was.

511
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: He was ready to go.

512
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Speaker 4: He didn't even need such an awesome.

513
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Speaker 1: Explanation for what I was doing. He was just like, Clay,

514
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Speaker 1: whatever you need, I'll do it. He met with me

515
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 1: and we we obviously had a much We had an

516
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Speaker 1: hour long conversation and you heard like twenty minutes of it.

517
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Speaker 1: I wish I could play the whole thing just because

518
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Speaker 1: it was so interesting just to sit and interview him.

519
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Speaker 1: But that was really cool. We'll talk about mister Earl

520
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Speaker 1: Hank Burdine. Man Hank Burdine is carrying this Mississippi River

521
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: series on his shoulders. Yeah, he is, like Hank is

522
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: such an entertaining guy to listen to, so knowledgeable about

523
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Speaker 1: the Delta, the Mississippi River. He's on the Misissippi River

524
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: levee commission for the section of the river. As I

525
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,160
Speaker 1: understand it, there's levee commissions for different sections of the river.

526
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,399
Speaker 1: That's the way I understand it. And so he he

527
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Speaker 1: is on the Mississippi and they're big sections. It's not

528
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Speaker 1: like like Town's or something. But he's on the Mississippi

529
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Speaker 1: River levee board, which is a big deal. Yeah, and

530
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: super knowledgeable. But his all the stuff he told me

531
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Speaker 1: about the way that part of the Delta was settled

532
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: was so fascinating.

533
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Speaker 11: Yeah, so fascinating.

534
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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, he can he can describe it so well. Yeah,

535
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 4: when he talked about the cane breaks and you know,

536
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,919
Speaker 4: it just it being a wildlife paradise, you know, you know,

537
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Speaker 4: I mean he could paint a picture and is that

538
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 4: he's got that like Southern Mississippi accident and it's alligator.

539
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Speaker 1: He sounds like an alligator.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Much. When you were quoting Mike Mark Twain, were

541
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Speaker 4: you kind of went into a gear where you, oh,

542
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Speaker 4: I had to you were saying, like, was that was

543
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Speaker 4: that artistic?

544
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Speaker 1: No? No, no it was.

545
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Speaker 4: It sounded like foghorn, leghorn and FDR mixed.

546
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Speaker 1: It was pretty, but it was, I know, except what

547
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about. No, Mark Twain does that all the time.

548
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Speaker 1: He would, he would, he would, he would write fanatically.

549
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: He was trying to write like the what he perceived

550
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Speaker 1: the people in Vicksburg sounded like when they were talking

551
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Speaker 1: about the wall. They don't have ours it actually. Yeah,

552
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, you're really perceptive that you picked up that that.

553
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: I was like trying to do that. Thank you.

554
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Speaker 6: I thought maybe you had a two thinkers.

555
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, the.

556
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Speaker 1: Wall in the wall.

557
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Speaker 9: And yeah, all I know is as I listened to that,

558
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Speaker 9: I noticed that I started speaking more drawn out to

559
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Speaker 9: my coworkers, and to the point where I even noticed it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you tap tapes of her when I

561
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: first fell in love with her, like when she was

562
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Speaker 4: eighteen or nineteen. The accent is so strong.

563
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Speaker 1: She's really stronger than that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oh yeah, she's lost. It's probably ten percent of

565
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Speaker 4: what it was lost to the work entertaining well.

566
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Speaker 1: One thing that there's a bunch of interesting stuff and

567
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Speaker 1: I'm torn on talking talking with Carla or talking to

568
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Speaker 1: everybody else first about their interest in coming back to Carla.

569
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Speaker 1: Car we should start with Carla because the Mississippi River.

570
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Speaker 1: What we didn't talk about is that we Hank talked

571
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Speaker 1: about the Mississippi side of the river, so the east

572
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 1: side of the river. What we didn't talk about just

573
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Speaker 1: because there wasn't space, is that Arkansas was actually settled

574
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Speaker 1: later than Mississippi.

575
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Speaker 2: That's so wild.

576
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: The forest was cut, the swamps were drained later because

577
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: Mississippi became a state in eighteen seventeen. Arkansas didn't become

578
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: a state until eighteen thirty six. Yeah, and so there

579
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Speaker 1: was a lot more incentive incentive to be a US

580
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Speaker 1: citizen and being a US state.

581
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Speaker 4: And you didn't have to cross the river, right.

582
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: Didn't have to cross the river. There were more people there.

583
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Speaker 1: I mean, Arkansas was like a wild country. And Carl,

584
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Speaker 1: that's where your family grew up and where you're from. Absolutely,

585
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Speaker 1: So where are you from?

586
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Speaker 11: So I'm from Cross County, Arkansas.

587
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: And does that touch the river?

588
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 11: It does not. It's a couple of counties.

589
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Speaker 1: In right, So we're right, it's in the delta.

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Speaker 9: It's in the delta where it's very flat, and you know,

591
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 9: if it's not flat enough, they'll.

592
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:38,479
Speaker 11: Precision land level it.

593
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Speaker 9: So yeah, but there's a ridge that runs through it

594
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Speaker 9: that separates you know, Western Cross County.

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Speaker 11: There's a ridge that goes through.

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Speaker 4: A LUs ridge less. Yeah, it's a yeah, it's it's

597
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 4: a sand. It's sand deposited by like the wind. By wind. Oh,

598
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 4: it's like a geographical phenomenon. It is wow out in

599
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 4: the middle of the delta.

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00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 11: Yeah.

601
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Speaker 9: And so everything is super flat except for this ridge

602
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 9: that goes through the middle of it. And I remember

603
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 9: when Terrell and I were in school done at Southern

604
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 9: Arkansas University.

605
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Speaker 1: That's kind of what we do here.

606
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 9: I'm okay, but we were looking through this book and

607
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 9: it was funny.

608
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 5: It's okay, Carlic, call your husband whatever you want.

609
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: Christy, you're invited back. Christy was laughing, Okay, go ahead.

610
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 9: We were looking through this book for a class. It's

611
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 9: called Fishes of Arkansas that our professor had written, and

612
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 9: I was like, hey, this picture right here looks just

613
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 9: like where I grew up.

614
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 2: And it was.

615
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 9: It actually was. It was the town closest to where

616
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 9: my school was. And they were describing the different kinds

617
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 9: of you know features there and the fish that were there.

618
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: So your failure of farmers. Yeah, tell me about it.

619
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Tell me about the history of the land and what

620
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: your family did and everything. Yeah.

621
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Speaker 9: So I grew up on a ris and soybean farm

622
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 9: where we were like fourteen miles from town, right, so

623
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Speaker 9: town meaning where there was a Walmart.

624
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 2: Okay, nice, Yeah, that's the definition of towns.

625
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: When everybody had Yeah.

626
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 11: Yeah, definition, you're not buying grass.

627
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 6: It was a Walmart, not a supercenter.

628
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 2: That's right. We drove where did you buy your grass?

629
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Speaker 2: Almost three hours to go visit.

630
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Speaker 9: It's really fascinating how the world is a very different

631
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 9: place than it was back then because fourteen miles from town.

632
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 9: I mean we do that multiple times a day and

633
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 9: our kids to school. Right, but back then, like my parents,

634
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 9: my mom would go to town once a week to buy.

635
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: This would have been in the eighties.

636
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 4: In the eighties.

637
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, but yeah, so rice and soybean

638
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 9: farms always lots and lots of mosquitoes.

639
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 11: Terrell got to be eaten up by them whenever.

640
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 3: He came home.

641
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, we went out for like a romantic walk rot

642
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 4: out to the Yeah, there was a breeze and We

643
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 4: got out to like one of the pumping wells, and

644
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: I went to make my move, and just as I did,

645
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 4: the breeze stopped, and there was like a three or

646
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 4: four second pause. And if I'm telling this wrong, feel

647
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 4: free to correct me. But I just remember hearing this humming.

648
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 4: You do, and Carlos said run, and we were running

649
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 4: through clouds of mosquitoes.

650
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 11: Oh my goodness, it's it's so thick out there.

651
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, your grandpa started the farm.

652
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 11: How many acres?

653
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 9: So I grew up on a four hundred acre farm.

654
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 9: Teeny tiny these days, it's teeny tiny. But my grandpa,

655
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 9: whenever he bought it in the late fifties, I mean,

656
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 9: that was a really big deal. So he had grown

657
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 9: up in a cotton farming family and decided that that's

658
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 9: not the life that he wanted to live as sharecroppers, right,

659
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 9: I don't know, Okay, So I did call my dad

660
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 9: because I wanted to back.

661
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I had to get yeah, or fact checking the day.

662
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Speaker 1: So your dad didn't know for sure if he was

663
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Speaker 1: a sharecropper.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, But then he went into timber. And so as

665
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 9: you're telling the story about how the land was cleared,

666
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 9: and there was this huge timber industry. It was fascinating

667
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 9: because it was all of the stories that I'd heard

668
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 9: about my grandpa, and then just from others as well,

669
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 9: that you know that there was this whole timber industry,

670
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 9: and then people that came in afterwards that were able

671
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,760
Speaker 9: to pick up land for a relatively cheap price, because

672
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 9: I mean it was only good for timber, right, and

673
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 9: then these big farms were built.

674
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Speaker 1: So the sequence was when your grandpa got it nineteen

675
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: in the nineteen fifties, the nineteen fifties, late fifties.

676
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 4: He long logged in the twenties and thirties.

677
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 11: Right, he was born in sixteen.

678
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: Okay, so but when he got the land, I heard

679
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: you say, when he got the land, it had pretty

680
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: much just been logged.

681
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so they had pretty much they had cleared it,

682
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 9: but there were still piles of logs. My dad was like,

683
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 9: I still had to go pick up stumps and you know,

684
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 9: to help you clean it up.

685
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard one of my farming buddies in

686
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: the Delta, Lee Walt tell me that when he was

687
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 1: a little boy, he remembers them pushing out stumps and

688
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: picking up stuff, and Josh for the record. Most of

689
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 1: America's agricultural fields were cleared well before the nineteen fifties.

690
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 1: It's one of this.

691
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 5: Part of the timber industry.

692
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Well, just just so civilized agriculture. I mean they're not clearing.

693
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: I mean minuscule amounts of land today are being cleared

694
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: of timber to be commercially farmed. That all most of

695
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: that happened about the nineteenth century farming right now, that's

696
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: part of it. But there's but they cleared, They cleared

697
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: so much land, and they're just they're just not doing

698
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: that anymore. And so the fact that they were cutting

699
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: timber to make agricultural land in the nineteen fifties is

700
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: pretty wild.

701
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 11: And it's a it's a hard way to go.

702
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 9: And as I was talking with my dad, he was

703
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 9: saying about how, you know, whenever he got financing for it,

704
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 9: that the people were like, oh my gosh, this is

705
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 9: the biggest loan that we've ever given for you know,

706
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 9: for farmland, and it was eighty thousand dollars.

707
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: Wow.

708
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 9: And I interviewed my grandpa for a class whenever I

709
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 9: was in college. You were doing family histories and he said, yeah,

710
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 9: I said, people were just sitting around waiting on me

711
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 9: to fail so they could come and scoop it up

712
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 9: to the land at a better price.

713
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:39,959
Speaker 1: Wow.

714
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Speaker 11: But man, he you know, was lived through the depression

715
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 11: and knew.

716
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 4: How to abject poverty. Yeah, like didn't have shoes, yeah,

717
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 4: you know, for other reasons.

718
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: It's kind of like.

719
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 9: Mister Earl was talking about, you know, like poverty and

720
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 9: you know, farming and if you only get paid once

721
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 9: a year, if you don't spend your money wisely, then

722
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 9: then there's not money for things like you know, shoes.

723
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 11: Yeah.

724
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 4: So so he was like super hard worker yeah, and

725
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 4: super like just the perfect first generation pioneer kind of farmer. Yeah.

726
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 4: And used a lot of dynamite to clear out stumps

727
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 4: because that back then because they didn't have the machinery

728
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: that we have.

729
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

730
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and just a lot of hard work. And you know,

731
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: back then farms were smaller and it's before the eighties

732
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 4: that get bigger, get out and that killed a lot

733
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 4: of the family farms. But really really neat stuff. And

734
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 4: her mom was her mom passed away recently, but super

735
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 4: tough lady. Like when you think about like just a tough,

736
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 4: hard working woman, that was her mom, and as sweet

737
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 4: as could be and she I remember here telling me

738
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: like she used to pick cotton by hand, and like

739
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 4: the big cotton sacks and in summer and stuff when

740
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: they got out of school, Carlisle so picking cott in

741
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 4: my hand, and so like it would it would be

742
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 4: really interesting. I was thinking about it. Tayo was cutting

743
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:12,280
Speaker 4: hay to have mister Earle and Carlo's mom talking the stuff.

744
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I mean that brings up an interesting point.

745
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: So you know, on this last episode we had mister

746
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: Earl Jasper African American man that talked about growing up

747
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,239
Speaker 1: in the Delta, and it was kind of a classic

748
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: story that surprised me even a little bit, like I

749
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: would have felt like maybe his parents, I didn't know

750
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: that he would have. I knew he would have the

751
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 1: stories of the racism and stuff like that. That was

752
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: not a surprise him being born in the fifties, but

753
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 1: like his parents were sharecroppers and he was so involved

754
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: in agriculture his whole childhood. That kind of surprised me.

755
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: But it was clear, and Hank Berdine talked about it.

756
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: Will Primost talked about it. I read a big excerpt

757
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: from John Berry's book about all the Italian sharecroppers, and yeah,

758
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 1: there were a lot of poverty stricken whites that were

759
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: in the South too, that were that were sharecropping and

760
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: that were Yeah, I mean it was they were there.

761
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 9: And so it was fascinating to hear that about like

762
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 9: the all of the different groups because my brother married

763
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 9: a girl from who grew up in Newport and her

764
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:26,240
Speaker 9: family was Italian.

765
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: Oh really like Italian? You know. Anyway, I got on

766
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: that boat even after seeing those.

767
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 5: Side they said, don't do it.

768
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 4: But you know, if you get on a boat, even

769
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: in Italian, if you're really poor and so desperate, you

770
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 4: probably can't read.

771
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: Maybe you know, now, where where is your families? Where

772
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: do you think your family's from?

773
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 4: Do you know?

774
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean like deep history?

775
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 9: Oh yes, my dad is roll into genealogy, so he

776
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 9: has traced his family back to Scotland and yeah, so

777
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 9: lots of Scotch.

778
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: Are not not surprising when you see your kids.

779
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 4: There's a I brought a significant portion of Slavic blood

780
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: into this, those those British isles genetics.

781
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, fascinating, Josh. What stood out to you

782
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 1: about the podcast?

783
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 6: So I thought the podcast was fantastic. I I appreciated

784
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 6: all the history in there. But I have to say,

785
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 6: after I listened to the podcast, I texted you and

786
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 6: said that segment with mister Earle might be the best

787
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 6: thing you've ever had on the podcast.

788
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 4: I was.

789
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 6: I was, well, you know, it was more than just

790
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 6: I enjoyed it and appreciated it, Like it really hit me,

791
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 6: Like just to listen to him and to hear his story,

792
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 6: I honestly teared up. And part of it just yeah,

793
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 6: because I think I think it's I think it also

794
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 6: helps that we know mister Earl and know the quality

795
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 6: of a man that he is, and to hear him

796
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 6: talk about to hear him talk. I think that the

797
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 6: part that that really got me is when you said

798
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 6: when he said they integrated the school, and then he said,

799
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 6: what what was it like? And he paused and he

800
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 6: was like there was fights every day, you know what

801
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:10,879
Speaker 6: I mean.

802
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: It was like that's the part that got me too.

803
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: That's the reason I asked you that.

804
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it was it was like, this is

805
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 6: a man who's endured, you know what I mean, And

806
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 6: he's an example there. He doesn't carry this sense of

807
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 6: I've been wronged or my people have been wronged. He

808
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 6: carries this attitude of we must progress, you know what

809
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 6: I mean, And there's a sense of I'll do whatever

810
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 6: it takes to do my part. And just what what

811
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 6: an honorable man? I mean, just an absolutely honorable man.

812
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 6: I have great appreciation for him.

813
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: And mister Earl is one of those guys one you

814
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: always just want to call him mister Earl.

815
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 2: You're going to get that guy respect.

816
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: But he always talks to you like, I don't know,

817
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 4: just like his his faith just bubbles out of him

818
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: when he talks to you. He's talking to you like

819
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: because you're a child of God and.

820
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 6: He loves you absolutely.

821
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 4: Like everything that he said in there about like the

822
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: spiritual the delta in the church, like there are decades

823
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 4: of example in life, and just sweetness that exudes from

824
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: I mean.

825
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 6: He makes this pore feel valuable because they're a child

826
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 6: of God, you know. And I really liked the way

827
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 6: he mentioned and he's like, you know, there was the

828
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 6: what did he say? There was the physical man and

829
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 6: the spiritual man and you gotta you gotta grow both.

830
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 6: And yeah, I just that part was impacting to me,

831
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. It impacted me. I feel

832
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 6: like it it brought something into my life.

833
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you actually dissected his words, the words were simple,

834
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,959
Speaker 1: but them coming from him were so powerful. Like hearing

835
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: him talk about Martin Luther King Junior getting sassinated. I mean,

836
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: we've all heard that story. We've grown up with that story.

837
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: It was before our time, that happened. Most of us

838
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: in this room are like in the range of forty

839
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: years old. You know, we know that happened. But to

840
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 1: hear him talk about how it impacted him as a

841
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: as a as a senior in high school, and how

842
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: it sent ripples through the black community, and just hearing

843
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: him say it, I just was like, oh, yeah, that

844
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: really would have It wouldn't have been like some celebrity

845
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: getting killed that you really didn't, you know, you just

846
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: knew their name and liked them. I mean, this guy

847
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: meant so much to them, and you kind of felt

848
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: that sting, you know. And then yeah, that part about integrated.

849
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what I was gonna asks. I

850
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: just knew. I just told him I wanted to talk

851
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: to him about his life, and it just kind of progressed,

852
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: you know. And yeah, when he talked about integration, I

853
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I've never really thought that deep about what

854
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: it would have actually been like. Now, we have heard stories,

855
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: especially being from Arkansas about the Little Nine, which was

856
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,399
Speaker 1: the national story of nine students they integrated into Little

857
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: Rock High School and some of those people are still alive.

858
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: It was it made national news, and it was it

859
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: was the a terrible thing for our state Governor Orville

860
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: Pabas was the Wooden Fabs. Yeah, yeah, cassal Art jack

861
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 1: Wagon of himself. But some of those people are still alive.

862
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: Missy's talked, You've interviewed well.

863
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 3: So the first black Little Rock teacher and administrator were

864
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: a husband and wife couple and their daughter is a

865
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 3: friend of mine and she has actually I think you've

866
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 3: been with us at some of the some of the

867
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 3: interviews with with her mom.

868
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: She she passed away.

869
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: Recently, her mom did, but she talked a little bit

870
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 3: about about that. And then my friend Virginia and all

871
00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 3: of her siblings. So the Little Rock nine tried to

872
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 3: integrate in and they were met with enormous hostility and

873
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 3: they actually ended up closing down the schools, like completely

874
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 3: closed down the Little Rock public school system for I

875
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 3: one or two years. It was an extended time. And

876
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 3: then when it reopened. It was integrated, you know, and

877
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 3: that it was like, we have no choice but to

878
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 3: do this, and so we're going to reopen. And so

879
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 3: those my friend was part of that second group of

880
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: kids that came in and they didn't have the publicity,

881
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 3: and some of them would say, or at least I've

882
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 3: heard them say that they didn't have the support either

883
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 3: because it was less publicized and a lot more challenging.

884
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 3: They weren't on national TV and they didn't have the

885
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 3: eyes of the world watching when they reopened, and it

886
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 3: was it was incredibly challenging. And they've talked to our

887
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: kids about that and really powerful stories people who have

888
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 3: endured a whole lot.

889
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 1: So it was impacting me to hear mister Earle, Christy,

890
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: what's that to you? The whole thing doesn't have to

891
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: be about misster Eeryl.

892
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 5: I do want to say something about mister Earle, though,

893
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 5: I think, to me, what I heard inside of what

894
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 5: he was sharing is it honors the struggle. Like you

895
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 5: heard him talk about it being hard. You would never

896
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 5: want your kids to go through that, and then you

897
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 5: would say, but you just got to stay focused because

898
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 5: it's not always going to be like that, And so

899
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 5: there's a sense of hope I think inside of him

900
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 5: and purpose inside of the struggle, and to find that

901
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: incredibly honorable. I want to live my life like that.

902
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: I don't want to have struggle and think why me.

903
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 5: I want to think like he did, stay focused, think

904
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 5: about the Lord. This is not always the way it's

905
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 5: going to be if you do your part. And then

906
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: that's what I heard inside of him, and I think it.

907
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 5: I think that's honorable, but it also it also is

908
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 5: more than that. It makes me not want to make

909
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 5: his struggle for nothing, Like I find a connection to

910
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 5: it and think I have responsibility inside of carrying myself

911
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: in a way like he carried himself.

912
00:46:58,960 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.

913
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 5: Was hugely impacting to me. We were talking earlier. Another

914
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 5: part that is impacting the Captain Hank Berdine. Yeah, I

915
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 5: I love his accent and I think I listened to

916
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,080
Speaker 5: him speak and I think there's a stigma that when

917
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 5: you hear that kind of Southern accent it's less educated

918
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 5: or not as sophisticated, and that that man is so educated,

919
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 5: so sophisticated in his knowledge of his of of what

920
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 5: he does. And I found that I was like this

921
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: is remarkable. Like that stood out to me, and I

922
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 5: thought it was. I thought it was highly remarkable. And

923
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 5: I love how I am not a soil person like

924
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 5: Spens and carlab degrees and soil science and clay biologist,

925
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 5: Carlos a biologist anyway, like I don't have I don't

926
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 5: have any of that. But I could hear and picture

927
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: what he was describing and that that is another level

928
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 5: of ability and educated anyway I was that stood out

929
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 5: to me.

930
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: Connected to that and Hank Verdon, he talked about how

931
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: this this art and this writing thing came into the

932
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: Greenville area, which was I mean, I never knew that.

933
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 4: I went to Natchez once, like I was. I did

934
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 4: some work with Alcorn State, which is a big it's

935
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 4: a it's a college down there that has a real

936
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 4: good act program that works with a lot of small farmers.

937
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 4: And I went walking around and I just thought, Oh,

938
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: it's a town in Mississippi, you know whatever stereotypes right, and

939
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 4: just walking around the history in that town and like

940
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 4: the architecture, crazy stuff, Like I.

941
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: Mean, at one time it was one of the richest

942
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 1: cities in America.

943
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 4: And like I spent like half a day there and

944
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 4: like just I had nothing else to do, so I

945
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 4: just went for a walk. And that was the impression

946
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 4: when I walked through the town of like this place

947
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 4: used to really be something. It's still cool town, but

948
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: you could tell this place was like a big deal

949
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 4: at one time.

950
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Well, and it's so that what you just said is

951
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 1: connected to what's coming, and it kind of was revealed

952
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: in the second episode. Is that what happened to the

953
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 1: Delta was that they couldn't figure out this labor thing.

954
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: I mean, after the Civil War, after the sharecropping regime.

955
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would say it failed or

956
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:46,280
Speaker 1: it just didn't work very good, and they the Delta

957
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 1: lost a whole lot. And the Delta is you go

958
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: to the Delta today, it's way different than what it

959
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: would have been in its prime. I mean a lot

960
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: of the cities look like ghost towns, you know, and

961
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: that's no secret. But it's so interesting to think about

962
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: Greenville being this hub of art and literature and that

963
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: is still you still feel that. And we went to

964
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: Hank's house and and not to get to personal with Hank,

965
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: but his he he had in his house, he had art,

966
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:26,720
Speaker 1: he had bookshelves full of books he had, he had

967
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: personal personal art and I can say that like pictures

968
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: of his family. I mean I walked in and I

969
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 1: was like, wow, this guy has documented his journey in

970
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: life more than most people I've been around. And he

971
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: and it inspired me to uh. I mean, you just

972
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,800
Speaker 1: want his house was like a museum and uh and

973
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: and and that's connected. I think back to this, you

974
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: know whatever that brought just in a awareness of of

975
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 1: the world and art and beauty and how to describe that,

976
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: and this thing inside of humans that wants to wants

977
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 1: to memorialize life, human life, you know. And so it

978
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 1: was really neat being around Hanking those guys, and I

979
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: really was inspired. I mean I was like, wow, I

980
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: want to I want to celebrate my culture. I want

981
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 1: to celebrate the stuff that I'm doing. And not that

982
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 1: we do that externally with like a painting on the wall,

983
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: but it helps, you know. And then all the writers

984
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: down there. I don't want to give away a future

985
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: Berger's podcast next spring, but there are more Turkey hunting

986
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: writers in Mississippi than anywhere really just everybody. I mean,

987
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 1: you meet some guy on the street and he's like, yeah,

988
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 1: my name is Bill. Yeah, I got a turkey hunting book.

989
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 1: If you're not written a book and published about country

990
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: music exactly, Yeah, I'm serious. Everybody down there has got

991
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 1: a book. And uh. I went to the to the

992
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: uh uh well, and I just thought, I mean, how

993
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 1: many turkey hunting writers do I know in Arkansas? And

994
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, we're just a bunch of hillbillies. These

995
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 1: people down there cultured and educated Mississippi, Mississippi, they say,

996
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,880
Speaker 1: wah wahaw.

997
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

998
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,919
Speaker 1: Now, but William Faulkner. I loved the William Faulkner quote. Well,

999
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: he said, he said to understand the world, you have

1000
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:27,720
Speaker 1: to understand a place like Mississippi. And then that quote

1001
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: where he said, in two generations they do need denuded,

1002
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: de rivered, and d swamped Mississippi. And then he goes

1003
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: into that very complicated paragraph about all the different ethnicities

1004
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: that were there and how they had all mixed together

1005
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: and how that the land would reek it's it was.

1006
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: So it was like a wildly complex paragraph. But you know,

1007
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: William Faulkner from Mississippi.

1008
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 4: And it's like a when you look at it today,

1009
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 4: when you look at like stuff that's happening in the Amazon,

1010
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: you know, like I mean, like our seeds are kind

1011
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: of boiling right now, as in the golf, like I

1012
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: think it was one hundred and one in the golf,

1013
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 4: like in near Florida. You're seeing that thing play out

1014
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: and and it's just that's anyways. It just like that

1015
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 4: thing that was said was just like a truth.

1016
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:27,720
Speaker 1: He said they the people will inflict the lands revenge. Yeah,

1017
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: and it was it was like, whatever's happening, it's going

1018
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: to be paid for at some point.

1019
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: And it's easy to look and think, oh, well that

1020
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 4: was back then, but it's like we still haven't learned

1021
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: that lesson. If I think if you were to look

1022
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 4: around and be like, those words still haven't been heated,

1023
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: you know. So it's really good.

1024
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: Quote and I'm stealing all I'm picking all the low

1025
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: hanging fruit. What I learned on the podcast was that

1026
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: the Mississippi Delta was one of the last places in

1027
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 1: America to be settled because of the river. When you

1028
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: think about all the land that doesn't have a river

1029
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: and you can just walk in there and build a

1030
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: house and not have any major problem. The biggest river

1031
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: on this continent where it floods near near where it

1032
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,959
Speaker 1: enters the Ocean, you know, you know, five hundred miles

1033
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: up from it, one thousand miles up from it ere

1034
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: Cape Girardo, which is yeah, it floods, so you can't

1035
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: build a house there until the levees of the late

1036
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: eighteen sept the government levees of the late eighteen seventies.

1037
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: So you know, the trans Continental Railroad had gone across America,

1038
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: the Sequoias had been cut, but the Mississippi Delta was

1039
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: still relatively unsettled. And when you think too about the

1040
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: Civil War, it took me a while to understand what

1041
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,280
Speaker 1: these people were saying. You know, there literally weren't people

1042
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: in western Mississippi, many people at all before the Civil War.

1043
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, they were just they had just cleared some

1044
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 1: land right on the river if you can get out

1045
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: of the boat and clear land. But the interior of

1046
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: the Yazoo Mississippi Delta and on the Arkansas side of

1047
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:21,160
Speaker 1: the river, they're just people were not there. It was

1048
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: a virgin wilderness. And that's where our boy Bearger's Hall

1049
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: of Famer Hult Coggier made his living for about twenty years,

1050
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 1: commercial bear hunting and feeding logging camps. And that's why

1051
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: he killed three thousand bears with his hounds in his lifetime.

1052
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 1: It was a virgin wilderness. But mister, what stood up

1053
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: to you?

1054
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 3: Well, you know, obviously I thought I thought the podcast

1055
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 3: was really good.

1056
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,839
Speaker 2: I've we've box thanks man.

1057
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, We've done the Jaspers for a while, and I've

1058
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 3: heard pieces of his story before.

1059
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: And I think with someone someone like.

1060
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 3: Earl Jasper, who's live the life he's lived, who, like

1061
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 3: Christy said, has endured a whole lot, has maintained a

1062
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 3: certain posture, I always feel whenever I hear people who

1063
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 3: have had those kind of experiences and who are I mean,

1064
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 3: just who he is, I feel humbled, just just like,

1065
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 3: don't talk, don't just let's let him tell his story

1066
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: and just listen, don't you know, don't say a word,

1067
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 3: just listen. And I think I was a little bit

1068
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 3: I don't know that concerned is the right word. But

1069
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 3: just when you when you wanted to interview him. I

1070
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 3: was in the room when you were interviewing him, and

1071
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 3: I heard what he said, and I knew, like, this

1072
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 3: is this is good. I mean it is poetic, like

1073
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 3: what some of the things he said were poetic, but

1074
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 3: in a in a certain sense like his the life

1075
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 3: behind it is what gave it so much power. And

1076
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 3: when he said there's a physical delta and a spiritual delta,

1077
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 3: it was his life that gave that statement power. And

1078
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 3: those words coming from his mouth mean more than those

1079
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: words coming from from my mouth. And and and I

1080
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 3: think when I listened, I listened to the rough draft,

1081
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: which I don't always listen to the rough draft of

1082
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 3: Bear Grease podcast. And at the end, you know, it

1083
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 3: just ends with him and then it's just over, and

1084
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: it's you know, I don't know if y'all pick that up.

1085
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 3: And then at the you know, then the music starts

1086
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 3: in Clay gives like the summary statements, but usually Clay

1087
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 3: would come on and interpret or whatever, but he just

1088
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 3: kind of.

1089
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: Left it, and I was I was really grateful he

1090
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 2: did that. Like I I walked.

1091
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 3: We were outside, both of us, and I was listening

1092
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,439
Speaker 3: to it in the garden and Clay was walking around

1093
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: listening to it. And we both finished it about the

1094
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 3: same time, and we kind of met up in the

1095
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 3: yard and he said, what do you think? And and

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00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: he kind of said to what he you know, he

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00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 3: just felt like, let let let him speak and whatever

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00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 3: he says, that's I'm not going to add to that

1099
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 3: or because you can't, like you can't take you can't

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 3: add or our takeaway from that. And I was like, no,

1101
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 3: I knew exactly, I knew exactly what you were doing.

1102
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 3: But there's a sense when it came out, I wanted

1103
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: to make sure, like I wanted to kind of control

1104
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 3: everybody in the world that listened to the Bear Grease

1105
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 3: podcast and just make sure I wanted everybody to appreciate

1106
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 3: who he was, like, I know, I appreciate him because

1107
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: I know him. I know like he walks, he walks,

1108
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 3: the talk you know, he is what you're hearing is

1109
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 3: and I kind of wanted to protect that. And I

1110
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 3: just was really grateful as we heard feedback from the

1111
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 3: Bear Grease, you know, even just comments on Instagram or

1112
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 3: different places, I felt like people were able to hear that.

1113
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 3: I felt like, you know, people were and people respected

1114
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 3: him and were able to give to give that, and

1115
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 3: I was just appreciative.

1116
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 2: I think his story. We're in a time right now where.

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00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot of people that tell you how you

1118
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 3: should talk about things, how you should feel about things,

1119
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 3: how you should say things, and it's it's it can

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00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 3: be a little bit risky to even for you you

1121
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 3: Clay to bring you know, to have that conversation. It

1122
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: could be risky for him to bring his story into it.

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00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 3: And I I just kind of wanted to protect everyone.

1124
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 3: But I just felt like everybody treated treated the story

1125
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 3: the life with respect that it that it deserves, and

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 3: I was grateful for that and because his life deserves

1127
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 3: respect and it deserves Uh. I like, if I could

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00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 3: just tell people how to listen. I've Earl has spoken

1129
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 3: at our school and UH, and the way I want

1130
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 3: to tell all the kids is just hush, just hush

1131
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: and listen, and they always.

1132
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:39,600
Speaker 1: Do before and go okay, everybody, just hush.

1133
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I wanted to say to everybody.

1134
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: Just hush, just listen, don't don't say anything. And I

1135
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: felt like when I listened to the podcast, that's what

1136
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: I heard was just it. I felt that in my

1137
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 3: in my heart, I felt like the whole world just

1138
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: hushed and listened. And I was hoping that when people

1139
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 3: heard it, they would do that without me saying hush,

1140
01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 3: and they did and that's an appropriate response.

1141
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could have scolded them like I did Tim.

1142
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: The people of the world.

1143
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Speaker 4: You hush up, stay out that trash.

1144
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 1: No, it was really special having mister Earl. And you

1145
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: know what, I what I came away thinking about it

1146
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: was how grateful I am that we have a platform.

1147
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think it's a testament to

1148
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: the world that we can on a hunting platform if

1149
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: that's what you call bear grease, which we would, I mean,

1150
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: Meat Eater is a hunting conservation media company. I mean,

1151
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: our core people are going to be hunters, even though

1152
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 1: we have a big number of people that would listen

1153
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: that aren't hunters, like Carla and like thal Wag that

1154
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 1: has done some hunting in the past.

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you're a hunter prefer to let people hunt

1156
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 4: my land?

1157
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: That Yes, Yes, I'm grateful that we've got a platform

1158
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: that we could talk about stuff like this. I mean,

1159
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: I think it's cool. I feel grateful that we have. Yeah,

1160
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:16,680
Speaker 1: this space is kind of is here, which I think

1161
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: is really cool because you know, the well, the human

1162
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,600
Speaker 1: experience for real. I feel like I kind of captured

1163
01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: a tagline for bear Graace that I'm going to continue

1164
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: to talk about is that we are in pursuit of

1165
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 1: understanding the world. Yeah, We're in pursuit of understanding the world.

1166
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,600
Speaker 1: I think that's a legitimate statement inside of the topics

1167
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: we're talking about looking back at deep human history and

1168
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: some of the cultural stuff here in the US of

1169
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: rural America, and we're in pursuit of understanding the world,

1170
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:54,960
Speaker 1: and that means given. But here in mister Earl's perspective

1171
01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: and here in Hank Berdine's perspective.

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Speaker 2: And hearing them both together on that platform, I think

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01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 2: was really really valuable.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's this is this will be wild to

1175
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: say Percy, you know, the whole the pot. The podcast

1176
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: was talking a lot about the Percys and kind of

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01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: how they built this little circle in the delta that

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01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: was different than much of the other side, which is

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01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: a wild story to tell.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've never heard it. Oh it's kept the

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01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:27,960
Speaker 4: clan out kept.

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01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,880
Speaker 1: Yes, Like if it wasn't so well documented, you would

1183
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: think it was like a whitewash of history, which we

1184
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: we hear people talk about and you know you can't

1185
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: do that, But there was he They really did stuff

1186
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: different inside of a pretty tight little circle.

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01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:51,479
Speaker 4: It's interesting too, like where you mentioned the Percy guys,

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01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 4: because like agriculture is my wheelhouse, right and one of

1189
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 4: the things that you you made a statement earlier in

1190
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:03,720
Speaker 4: the podcas where you talked about the delta missed out

1191
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 4: because they couldn't figure out that labor thing, the labor

1192
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 4: and racial thing in the in the business. And that's

1193
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 4: still going on in agriculture, I mean rural communities regardless

1194
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 4: of ethnicity, you know, whatever, there are rural America's collapsing.

1195
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 4: But it's not because there isn't an answer. It's just

1196
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 4: that there's something there to that, like it can be done,

1197
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 4: Like it can be done in a fair way, It

1198
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 4: can be done. You know. It was intensely community based,

1199
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 4: like you know, and I don't know, I just think

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01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 4: like in a different format there, it would be really

1201
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 4: interesting to pull that stuff apart and apply it to

1202
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 4: what's going on even today, because all those problems, problems

1203
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 4: like that don't go away. Yeah, they just keep rolling

1204
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 4: on and getting more complex. So it was really interesting

1205
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,120
Speaker 4: for me, as more on the agricul cultural side to

1206
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 4: hear that, And and I'm like, why don't we learn

1207
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 4: about this these kind of things, you know, Like I

1208
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 4: got a degree inn ag and I never heard anything

1209
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 4: about that. Yeah, And I feel a little cheated. Come on, Bumpers.

1210
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 11: Well.

1211
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 9: So one thing that I felt though, just through everyone

1212
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 9: that was interviewed was just a real honoring of the

1213
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 9: people that lived there, Like just the work ethic, the

1214
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 9: ability to endure. You know, farming is not for the

1215
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:37,040
Speaker 9: faint of heart, and and neither is logging. Yeah like,

1216
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 9: and neither like and neither are any of those things

1217
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:42,240
Speaker 9: or hunting or any of that. Like, I don't want

1218
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 9: to be cold, so I'm not, so I'm not gonna

1219
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,320
Speaker 9: be out hunting duck hunting like people do where I

1220
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:51,960
Speaker 9: grew up. But just the way that everyone spoke about

1221
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,600
Speaker 9: the people there was really touching to me.

1222
01:04:55,080 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Hank talking about how his grandparents were the

1223
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: ones that cleared land and the Delta and had that

1224
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,959
Speaker 1: pioneering spirit that made the Delta unique. Yeah, that was cool,

1225
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: And I thought about it and I was like, my

1226
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: grandparents did it was yeah in Arkansas, it was later

1227
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,959
Speaker 1: than later than that, And it's easy to think about

1228
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:18,600
Speaker 1: that and oh yeah they cleared land.

1229
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 4: Think about like, it's summer right now, it's it's it's hot,

1230
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 4: high humidity, So think about doing that when there's no

1231
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 4: respite from the heat, when there's no respite from Yeah,

1232
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:34,040
Speaker 4: the elements, you know, like there's some mosquitoes, like if

1233
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:37,320
Speaker 4: you get hurt, there's no doctor, and even if there were,

1234
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,080
Speaker 4: you can't afford it, you know, like there you're on

1235
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 4: your own. Like Earl. Mister Earl talked about like they had.

1236
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:46,080
Speaker 5: To hunt to live, lots of outside time. He said,

1237
01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 5: they weren't playing.

1238
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:54,200
Speaker 1: For existence said he said people used to hire gods

1239
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 1: to go look for sport. He said, yeah, exactly, that

1240
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 1: was good.

1241
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 3: I the thing about Hank Burdine, I think it's really

1242
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,840
Speaker 3: easy to think that to especially in like a modern

1243
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 3: worldview where you see the world increasingly polarized and there's

1244
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 3: lines of us them, you know, all the different groups.

1245
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 3: I thought, what have an Earl and Hank Berdine both

1246
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: on this podcast, with Earl's words saying, you know they

1247
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: we wanted the same thing. You know, we're at the

1248
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 3: end of the day, we're just humans and people are people,

1249
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 3: and you know, we're all made in the image of

1250
01:06:31,080 --> 01:06:33,160
Speaker 3: God and all kind of want the same things. And

1251
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 3: I thought this podcast was a very good kind of

1252
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: what you're saying, Carla, You're glad that people spoke respectfully

1253
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 3: of and I think what you're saying to Christy. When

1254
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 3: you hear his voice, you wulit necessarily associate that with

1255
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 3: certain characteristics, and yet you see it on here, you

1256
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 3: see and I think that that's just it is really valuable,

1257
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: And I agree with you, Clay. I was grateful that

1258
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:56,240
Speaker 3: this platform exists, and I was grateful that the listeners

1259
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 3: gave the proper respect to both of these men. And

1260
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,880
Speaker 3: I think it was a way of just kind of

1261
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: the podcast itself was just you know, people are humans,

1262
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,440
Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, humans are valuable,

1263
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 3: and all the differences that may exist, humans are humans

1264
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 3: and humans are valuable.

1265
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 6: Humans are people too.

1266
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: Humans are people to people too.

1267
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 4: Human lives and all humans like shooting stuff.

1268
01:07:22,680 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 2: Definitely, that's what Well.

1269
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:28,080
Speaker 1: On the next episode of Bear Grease, we're going to

1270
01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:32,160
Speaker 1: learn about a lot of nineteen twenty seven Johnny Cash.

1271
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 4: There it is cash maybe so maybe so actually.

1272
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: Is a good idea.

1273
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,360
Speaker 11: I have to tell you though.

1274
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 4: I was.

1275
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 9: So I've been like telling my family like, oh, you

1276
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 9: need to listen to this, you know this series, and

1277
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 9: my brother tells me, hey, I read a really good book.

1278
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 9: It's about the flood of eighteen nineteen twenty seven.

1279
01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 11: It's called Rising Tide.

1280
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 9: I'm like, I've heard about it, and I've only heard

1281
01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 9: about it because I've heard you talk about.

1282
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,640
Speaker 6: It because you're a faithful listener.

1283
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 11: So I can't wait to hear.

1284
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 1: What John Barry. I love that guy. He's kind of

1285
01:08:09,720 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 1: a voice you wouldn't expect to hear on Bear Grease.

1286
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: He's like, I can't even pretend to have a New

1287
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: Jersey accent. But he's got.

1288
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 2: He wrote he read that of that one episode that

1289
01:08:24,040 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 2: was powerful, that was really he's got.

1290
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 1: He's like, buh, he's got like a real cart that

1291
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 1: he's got. He's got. He's got a really gruff, gruff voice.

1292
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: I love John Barry. He really is top notch American writer.

1293
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:53,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's written some very very successful books. And uh,

1294
01:08:54,200 --> 01:09:00,760
Speaker 1: he's a real straightforward guy. Yeah, he's really straightforwarder. He's

1295
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 1: one of those guys that would like tell you if

1296
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: he was mad at you, but he would. But you know,

1297
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:08,040
Speaker 1: if he doesn't tell you he's mad at you, he's

1298
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: not mad at you. Do you see what I'm saying?

1299
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,559
Speaker 1: Because because he was super generous, Misty and I went

1300
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: to d C to meet with him. That's not where

1301
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 1: he lives, but he was in d c So we're

1302
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 1: super generous, super you have to figure that out on here.

1303
01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:25,080
Speaker 1: Actually it's probably all over the internet.

1304
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 2: But uh, that's enough.

1305
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,680
Speaker 1: Great, great guests, and you're gonna be shocked when you

1306
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 1: hear episode four. I'm not even gonna tell you why,

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Speaker 1: trust me, how many?

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Speaker 4: How many you can have like twenty five episodes on

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Speaker 4: this stuff?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a big story, Christy. I know it's

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Speaker 1: like a meanderinge river, haven't you heard? Yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: like you never know where it's gonna go. It's like

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Speaker 1: a road that splits into seven different ways and they

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Speaker 1: all look the same, like you just have to pick one.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much. Carla, thanks for being on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you anything else you want to add.

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Speaker 11: I'm excited to hear more.

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Speaker 4: Okay, asked you to do the wave. There was like

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Speaker 4: a Rice queen.

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Speaker 1: That translates the audio.

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Speaker 4: Her prize winning Broccolian rice recipe.

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Speaker 2: Carla give us.

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Speaker 1: Uh, Josh, Christy. Great to have you guys.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much, Fair Grace couples of dishes.

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Speaker 2: I loved it.