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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio Hour two.

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Speaker 2: In this Tuesday, the popular Mike Florio from NBC Sports

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Speaker 2: will stop by here in a moment and the director

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Speaker 2: of the documentary on the Dallas Cowboys that's set to

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Speaker 2: be released. It's called America's Team, The Gambler and His Cowboys.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to the director and producer, McLain way. He

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Speaker 2: and his brother part of Netflix sports documentary series. I'm

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Speaker 2: told they also did Mattles at the Palace, They did

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Speaker 2: the Mantai Teo story, the Girlfriend who Didn't Exist, They

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Speaker 2: did Johnny Football Crimes and Penalties, and many other So

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Speaker 2: there's a documentary that's coming out and coming out today

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Speaker 2: on Netflix, so we'll talk to him. Coming up, Chase

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Speaker 2: Daniel will break down some of the film. Nobody does

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Speaker 2: it better than he does. Former quarterback. He'll break down

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Speaker 2: some of these preseason performances that we've seen and why

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Speaker 2: we should be very excited or maybe we the cooler

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Speaker 2: jets on that Bengals beat the Commanders, and a breakout

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Speaker 2: night for Mitchell Tinsley. He played at Western Kentucky Community

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Speaker 2: College also and Penn State for one year. He had

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Speaker 2: a couple of touchdown receptions and then you find out,

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Speaker 2: look at that depth chart, he's probably not even gonna

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Speaker 2: make the roster. Mitchell Tinsley, Yes, Paul.

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Speaker 3: I have him as the seventh wide receiver on the

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Speaker 3: depth chart.

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Speaker 2: They'll probably keeps six that he might be a practice

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Speaker 2: squad guy, our starting lineup. Fritzy very very popular with

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Speaker 2: the listeners and of course with us as well. He's

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Speaker 2: the minister of humor. Seaton's here, Marvin Paulie, yours truly

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Speaker 2: in the Brgs. Matthew Stafford still iffy for the Rams.

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Speaker 2: I know Sean McVay. It's like he's looking for different

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Speaker 2: ways to describe what's going on without giving too much information.

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Speaker 2: It just feels like Matthew Stafford on the outside looking in.

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Speaker 2: And we saw Stetson Bennett. He played every snap. Now,

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Speaker 2: maybe they don't want to put in Jimmy Garoppolo because

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Speaker 2: they don't want to have him out there. Maybe he

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Speaker 2: gets hurt because he is your backup quarterback. And Joe Flacco,

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Speaker 2: as I told you all of this talk of everybody

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Speaker 2: they brought in and draft picks, and I said they're

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Speaker 2: going to start Joe Flacco. But that doesn't mean some

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Speaker 2: of these other quarterbacks, certainly Shadoor Sanders won't get playing

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Speaker 2: time this year. Setan what's the poll question? And then

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Speaker 2: we'll get to Mike Florio. They we're just putting up

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Speaker 2: there a new one from Paul. Whose career Would you

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Speaker 2: want Joe Flacco or Philip Rivers? Oh? Well, well, one

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Speaker 2: has a chance for the Hall of Fame. One did

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Speaker 2: win a Super Bowl gets another this year too. Oh

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Speaker 2: if he wins a Super Bowl this year, I'll personally

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Speaker 2: carry him to the Hall of Fame. Yes, Paul. Joe

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Speaker 2: Flacco never.

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Speaker 3: Even made a Pro Bowl as an alternate in his

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Speaker 3: entire career, but as a Super Bowl and VP. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Philip Rivers, I think at least eight Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one's interesting. Let's bring in Mike Florio, the

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Speaker 2: popular host of Pro Football Talk lot. Let me start there, Mike,

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Speaker 2: whose career do you want Joe Flacco or do you

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Speaker 2: want Philip Rivers?

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Speaker 4: Probably Flacco because it's the ultimate team sport.

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Speaker 5: You want to win a Super Bowl. He won a

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: He was twice the highest paid player in all of football.

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Speaker 4: And I love the fact. D And when you think

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Speaker 4: about true franchise quarterbacks, guys who were once paid more

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Speaker 5: For him to be willing to humble himself and be a.

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Speaker 4: Backup for years and just keep playing, keep going, how

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Speaker 4: many guys do that? Could you imagine Peyton Manning holding

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Speaker 4: a clipboard once his starting days ended. It really is

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Speaker 4: refreshing to see a guy who loves the sport so

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Speaker 4: much he hangs around he gets his chance. And off

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Speaker 4: of Paul's point about the Pro Bowl, my favorite fact

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Speaker 4: about the current Cleveland Browns roster at quarterback. They have

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Speaker 4: six guys and one Pro Bowler, Tyler Huntley. The other

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Speaker 2: Mike's latest novel, Big Shield, debuts today on Amazon. The

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Speaker 2: Tale of Gambling, the Mob, and Pro Football. But for

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Speaker 2: legal reasons, it's definitely not about the NFL.

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Speaker 4: I can't stop you. You know, there's a franchise in Vegas.

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Speaker 4: There's a franchise in Baltimore. There's a franchise in Minnesota.

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Speaker 4: I can't stop the reader from envisioning the colors and

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Speaker 4: the logos and the name. But for legal reasons, I

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Speaker 4: just go with Vegas, Baltimore, Minnesota.

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Speaker 5: They can't copyright city and state.

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Speaker 2: Names do you expect to hear from the NFL.

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Speaker 5: No, I think they'll ignore the book.

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Speaker 4: I think it will bother them enough that they'll ignore it,

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Speaker 4: that that'll be the strategy. However, they should like it,

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Speaker 4: because Dan, it's a cautionary tale about what can happen

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Speaker 4: with inside information.

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Speaker 5: There's so much inside information out there.

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Speaker 4: Who's re injured, who's not, what's the game plan, who's

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Speaker 5: All sorts of things before games and during games.

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Speaker 4: I know they're concerned about guys on the sidelines giving

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Speaker 4: signals to people who would lock in micro bets for

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Speaker 4: runner pass. Coincidentally, that's what happens in this book. That's

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Speaker 4: the premise. A backup quarterback for the Vegas franchise of

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Speaker 4: a fictional pro football league gets tied in with a

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Speaker 4: mobster and it all kind of goes from there where

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Speaker 4: this relationship has ups and downs and twists and turns,

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Speaker 4: and four hundred pages later you get a resolution.

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Speaker 2: It's a called Big Shield. Now the NFL is called

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Speaker 2: the Shield.

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Speaker 4: Mike, Well, that's right, and I loosely refer to the

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Speaker 4: NFL as Big Shield. So it's all part of the game. Look,

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Speaker 4: I want that, did you see the Billy Joel documentary.

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Speaker 4: The best thing that ever happened to him was the

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Speaker 4: Catholic Church banning.

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Speaker 5: Only the Good Die Young.

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Speaker 4: He sent them a note saying, will you please ban

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Speaker 4: my other songs? When people like they're not supposed to

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Speaker 4: read or watch or listen to something, it makes them

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Speaker 4: want it even more.

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Speaker 2: Do you want the NFL to sue you?

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Speaker 5: Oh, they won't sue me. No, Dan won't.

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Speaker 4: They won't sue me because nothing in here infringes on

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Speaker 4: any of their copyrights. And it's a pure work of

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Speaker 4: fiction that there's nothing in there that libels anyone. All

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Speaker 4: the characters are made up, The whole thing is completely

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Speaker 4: made up. The only issue would be copyrights. I don't

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Speaker 4: use NFL, I don't use team names. I'm I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: safe there now, if they would want to assume me,

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Speaker 4: if it would help book sales, then you know I would.

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Speaker 4: I would deal with that. But they won't. They'll ignore it.

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Speaker 4: Like they remember the film Concussion. They were scared to

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Speaker 4: and they did, and it worked.

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Speaker 5: It didn't really move the needle.

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Speaker 2: I'm still trying to wrap my head around this. Whole

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Speaker 2: smelling salts. We know it's supposed to mask a concussion, right,

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Speaker 2: Why are they allowing you to still bring in something

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Speaker 2: it's bring your own smelling salts to mask concussions. Shouldn't

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Speaker 2: you make that illegal so we can detect if you

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Speaker 4: This is one of the realities of collective bargaining, and

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Speaker 4: collective bargaining can be very good, but it also can

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Speaker 4: become ridiculous because if the league were to go to

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Speaker 4: the players and say we want a complete and total

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Speaker 4: ban on smelling salts, the players would be inclined to say,

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Speaker 4: what's in it for us? If you want the ban,

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Speaker 4: we're going to say we don't, so we can get

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Speaker 5: And it works both ways.

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Speaker 4: Look, marijuana legal in most of the states now where

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Speaker 4: the NFL does business.

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Speaker 5: Why don't we just get rid of it.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's a collective bargaining issue, So what's in it

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Speaker 5: This is the NFL.

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Speaker 4: What's in it for us if we agree to get

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Speaker 4: rid of it. So it's ludicrous when the union sent

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Speaker 4: out to the players, oh, hey, you can still bring

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Speaker 5: Really a good idea.

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Speaker 4: Should they be having these things around, should they be

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Speaker 4: sooner those things are off the sideline, the better off

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Speaker 2: This garnered a lot of headlines, but we know why.

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Speaker 2: It's Shudoor Sanders, Dylan Gabriel and Dylan Gabriel saying that. Basically,

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Speaker 2: there's entertainers and then he's a competitor, and people thought

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Speaker 2: he's referencing Shador Sanders. Did you hear it that way,

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it's reasonable to look at those comments

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Speaker 4: that's not an unreasonable reaction. And that's what happens when

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Speaker 4: for consumption, people are going to come to.

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Speaker 5: Whatever conclusions they want.

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Speaker 4: I didn't take it that way, but I could see

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Speaker 4: somebody looking at that and thinking, oh, he's taking a

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Speaker 4: At the end of the day, he is a head

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Speaker 4: I mean, he walked through the door with the mindset

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Speaker 4: He's going to be the starter. He's become the starter

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Speaker 4: everywhere he's been. The Browns quarterback depth Charty's fascinating Dan.

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Speaker 4: And they're a week away from having to decide how

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Speaker 4: Flacco and the two Rickeys rookies competing and or entertaining

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Speaker 2: We spent a good portion of the first hour talking

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Speaker 2: about how bad the commander's uniforms look. According to Pauli,

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Speaker 2: he thinks they're the worst uniforms in the NFL. Then

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Speaker 2: he gave me his bottom five in there. I'll ask you,

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Speaker 2: where do you sit on the commander's uniforms home uniforms.

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Speaker 5: I don't think they're that bad. Now, there were worse.

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Speaker 4: The Dolphins I think are the worst. The Dolphins based

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Speaker 4: uniforms are horrible. They should make their throwbacks their full

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Speaker 4: time uniforms. I mean they're worried about the perception that

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Speaker 4: they're soft. Those uniforms screen soft.

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Speaker 5: Right, you see the throwbacks. The throwbacks are badass.

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Speaker 4: Like if you want to make and you ask any

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Speaker 4: the image, everything the toughness at all oozes from how

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Speaker 4: Dolphins that the Dolphins are horrible. And don't get me

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Speaker 4: started on the Nike ification of the NFL with all

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Speaker 4: the alternate look I will gladly say, get off my launch.

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Speaker 4: I want to be able to turn on an NFL

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Speaker 4: game and know right away who's playing. I don't want

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Speaker 4: to have to sift through throwbacks and alternate uniforms and

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Speaker 4: what are they wearing this week? That drives me crazy,

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Speaker 4: and it's all Nike's fall.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Mike Florio from Pro Football Talk Live. You

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Speaker 2: can see that show at preceed tours on Peacock. He

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Speaker 2: also contributes to NBC Football Night in America. I'm trying

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Speaker 2: to figure out what's going on with the Rams with

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Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford, because every time Sean McVay gets in front

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Speaker 2: of the media, he says the same thing but uses

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Speaker 2: different words. Here is Sean McVay talking about Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 6: It was good to be able to have Matthew out there.

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Speaker 4: I just think that it's gone so badly since Russell

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Speaker 5: Hey, he still throws a beautiful deep ball. That pass

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Speaker 4: The Steelers would't let him throw down in the middle of

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Speaker 5: He used to be able to do it, Now he can't.

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Speaker 2: He's Mike Florio and once again, his book is definitely

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Speaker 2: not about the NFL. It's a novel he's called Big

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Speaker 2: Shield and the debuts today on Amazon, A tale of Gambling,

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Speaker 2: the Mob and Pro Football. Once again, definitely not about

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Speaker 5: You can be a witness when they sue me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Mikey Dan. That's Mike Florio Pro Football Talk Live.

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Speaker 7: He's Mike Krmen, I'm Dan Byern. We have a brand

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Speaker 8: Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find

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Speaker 2: Gambler and His Cowboys. It chronicles Jerry Jones and the

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Speaker 9: It's it's a story that sounds familiar. I don't think

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Speaker 9: it was deon standers. I heard that story from Michael,

439
00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,719
Speaker 9: but it was Terrell Owens, And it was Terrell Owens

440
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 9: that came into a hotel room, and it was right

441
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Speaker 9: after there might be.

442
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Speaker 2: There might be a number of people who experienced that true.

443
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Speaker 2: Just to be honest with you, was there dealm You.

444
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Speaker 9: Have some options of people that you want to choose from.

445
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Speaker 9: But I heard it was Mike Tyson after he got

446
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Speaker 9: out of prison, and they all went into a limo

447
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Speaker 9: and had a nice suite in Vegas, and Torell Owens

448
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,719
Speaker 9: came in and his eyes got his big ast saucers,

449
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Speaker 9: and apparently he said, I can't I don't live this life.

450
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Speaker 9: I can't do this, and so they Mike and Mike

451
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Speaker 9: scared away. T O apparently is the story that I

452
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Speaker 9: was told.

453
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Speaker 2: We learn anything new about Jimmy Johnson's exit from the Cowboys.

454
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think that the access to both

455
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 9: Jerry and Jimmy was fundamental and crucial to why we

456
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 9: wanted to make this documentary. Serious, and I know that

457
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:46,239
Speaker 9: they've spoken at length, almost separately about their relationship, and

458
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 9: then when they have gotten together to chat about it,

459
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Speaker 9: it's maybe like a short segment that they did on Fox.

460
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Speaker 9: But for us, our opportunity was we got to sit

461
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Speaker 9: down with Jimmy for a full day I think seven

462
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 9: hours of interviews, and we filmed with them a couple

463
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Speaker 9: more days and then Jerry, we interviewed for about forty hours.

464
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 9: So for us, the opportunity to go deep with these

465
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,640
Speaker 9: guys was really what drew us to it. And obviously

466
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Speaker 9: I know that it's been covered for years, and I

467
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 9: think that this is there's an element of this is true,

468
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 9: which is their egos got too big. They had a

469
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 9: massive credit argument and they tried to claim more credit

470
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Speaker 9: than the other one felt, and I certainly think that

471
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 9: that's a part of their story. But for us, we

472
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 9: tried to go a little bit deeper, you know. For Jerry,

473
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 9: I felt that what ultimately I ended up kind of

474
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 9: feeling as I made this documentary series was this was

475
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Speaker 9: a guy who had a transformative experience in college. It

476
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 9: was the best moment of his life. He won the

477
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Speaker 9: nineteen sixty four National championship at the University of Arkansas.

478
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Speaker 9: Years later, he nets himself one hundred million dollars and

479
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Speaker 9: he does what maybe I would do or my friends

480
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 9: would do if they won one hundred million dollars over night,

481
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Speaker 9: they go and they buy the Dallas Cowboys. And I

482
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 9: think he did that in an attempt to kind of

483
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Speaker 9: recapture a really big, beautiful, transformative part of his life

484
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Speaker 9: in college. And he hires a guy that he's known

485
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Speaker 9: since he's seventeen years old. But Jimmy's point is, like, Jerry,

486
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 9: you hired me to do a job, and I need

487
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 9: to go out and convince these players day and day

488
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Speaker 9: out to go sacrifice their body and their health so

489
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Speaker 9: that we can win Lombardi Trophies. And every Sunday they

490
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 9: need to go and do that. But the locker room practice,

491
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Speaker 9: these are my areas. And when you come in you

492
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 9: can be a distraction in that endeavor. When you bring

493
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Speaker 9: camera ESPN cameras into the draft room, things like that.

494
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 9: I think ultimately started just really rubbing these guys the

495
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Speaker 9: wrong way. So they kind of almost had different schools

496
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Speaker 9: of thought. I would say, and listen, there's still some

497
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 9: things that these guys are never gonna agree on. If

498
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Speaker 9: you get them in the same room and ask them

499
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 9: who deserves credit for the herschel Walker trade, you're just

500
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 9: you're never gonna get the same answer.

501
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Speaker 2: You know.

502
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Speaker 9: They're just that's how they feel, and that's how they're

503
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,320
Speaker 9: always gonna feel. But I do think that they still

504
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 9: have a lot of actual respect and admiration that's grown

505
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 9: for each other. They've always had that to a certain degree,

506
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 9: and I think that that's beautiful. It's okay to disagree

507
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 9: with people forever and still get along.

508
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Speaker 2: Jerry and Jimmy Teach McLain way, producer, director, co director,

509
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 2: executive producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team,

510
00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: The Gambler and his Cowboys. I started to think about

511
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 2: this with Jerry, and it's hard to tell a billionaire

512
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: that they're wrong, and you know, nobody's going to tell

513
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: Jerry's not going to listen to anybody. But I go

514
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,639
Speaker 2: back in his coaching tree and it felt like there

515
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: were only two coaches who didn't need Jerry Jerry, you know,

516
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer, Jason Garrett, Dave Campbell, Like these guys all

517
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: needed this job. They needed Jerry, Bill Parcells did not

518
00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 2: need Jerry and Jimmy Johnson did not. Does Jerry talk

519
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,400
Speaker 2: about who he's hired or why he's hired these coaches?

520
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 2: Who this is America's team. You would think you could

521
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: get any coach that you wanted to coach these teams.

522
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Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a great question. And actually I didn't really

523
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 9: dive into Jerry too much throughout the you know, each

524
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 9: an individual head coach that he's hired over the years,

525
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 9: but we hung out a lot as he was making

526
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Speaker 9: the Schottenheimer decision. And I don't know for better or worse,

527
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 9: And I listen, I did not grow up a Cowboys fan,

528
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 9: so I you grew up in Los Angeles in the

529
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 9: late nineties, so I unfortunately didn't have an NFL team

530
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 9: to root for. But so I didn't quite feel it

531
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Speaker 9: as hard as the fans do. But Jerry, as he

532
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 9: neared the Schottenheimer decision, talked about comfortability. That was like

533
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 9: a big word that he used time and time again.

534
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 9: He was comfortable with Shot and Himer comfortable with Shottenheimer,

535
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Speaker 9: which did strike me as unique because this is a

536
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Speaker 9: guy that has taken risk after risk after risk, and

537
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Speaker 9: even with something like the Johnny Manziel story, that he

538
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,719
Speaker 9: kind of tells about Steven being like, we're not going

539
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 9: to draft Johnny Manzel and Jerry being like, all right,

540
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 9: we're not going to draft Jenny Manzel. But Jerry's retort is,

541
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Speaker 9: you know, that was a middle of the road decision,

542
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 9: and I didn't build the Dallas Cowboys the way I

543
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 9: did By making middle of the road decisions. You have

544
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 9: to take risks because the reward is just, you know,

545
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 9: ten x what you can get. But Seoanheimer was a

546
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 9: comfortable decision for Jerry. And I don't know if that's

547
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 9: because he feels like he's very close to what he where.

548
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 9: He ultimately wants to get to a super Bowl and

549
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 9: he doesn't want to change things up too much. But

550
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 9: I was a little like, okay, interesting, we're not really

551
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 9: making like a big, risky, splashy choice here. He's going

552
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 9: to go with someone that he's comfortable with.

553
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Speaker 2: There's a quote that's attributed to The Athletic and it's

554
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Speaker 2: the cowboys twenty twenty three playoff loss to the Packers

555
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: where midway through the fourth quarter it's forty eight to sixteen,

556
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 2: and Jerry in the documentary says this loss hurt us

557
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: in every way more than anyone we've ever had. That's

558
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Speaker 2: the worst loss in Jerry Jones's career.

559
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Speaker 9: That's what he said. And man, we' were with that

560
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 9: team a lot in twenty twenty three, and ultimately, I

561
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 9: think if they would have had a deep playoff run,

562
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 9: it probably would have been a larger part of the

563
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 9: documentary series kind of following the team on the road

564
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 9: that year and filming them a lot. And listen, I

565
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 9: was on the Cowboy hype trained that year too, because

566
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Speaker 9: you know, they were kind of undefeated at home. They

567
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 9: had won I think like sixteen games at AT and

568
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Speaker 9: T and they were coming in to play Green Bay,

569
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Speaker 9: and I you know, I think they were the favorite.

570
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 9: I was looking forward to that game. But watching Jerry

571
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 9: watch that game, I mean, that family got shell shocked

572
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 9: that game. There there's no doubt. Jerry was quiet and

573
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 9: intense as he was watching what felt like a very

574
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 9: good chance for hopefully a playoff run kind of crumble

575
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 9: in front of him. And there was no doubt. I

576
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 9: mean it was like after that game. We had been

577
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 9: at Cowboys games after losses before. This one was different. Obviously,

578
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 9: it's the end of the season, so it carries that way,

579
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 9: but it just felt like this family had been through

580
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 9: oh very terrible experience watching watching Green Bay put up

581
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 9: the numbers that they did against against the Cowboys, and

582
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 9: no doubt Jerry said this loss hurt. It hurt on

583
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 9: so many different levels, is what he said. He said,

584
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 9: it hurt set us back, It was a financial pain,

585
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 9: It was a lot that he was talking about that

586
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 9: that loss in many ways. So yeah, I think it

587
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 9: is the worst loss he ever experienced.

588
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Does Jerry care too much?

589
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 10: You know?

590
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 9: It's interesting I think that Again, I wasn't a fan,

591
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 9: so I know the thirty years that it's been, you know, conceptually,

592
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 9: but I don't quite feel it as a fan, so

593
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 9: I don't quite know what that pain feels like. But

594
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 9: the one thing that sometimes I would read that I

595
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 9: just personally disagreed with was like that Jerry doesn't want

596
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 9: to win. It's like all this family wants is one

597
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 9: more super Bowl for Jerry, Like they really like. My

598
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,040
Speaker 9: experience just being around them is like, yes, this is

599
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 9: a tremendously successful franchise. Off field, they do the brand building,

600
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 9: they do the people talking about the team incredibly incredibly well.

601
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 9: But at the end of the at the end of

602
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 9: the day. I think that they are starting to get

603
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 9: that sense of urgency that listen, and I think even

604
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 9: Charlot says it's in the documentary. We don't have a

605
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 9: lot of those next seasons. Well, there's always next seasons

606
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 9: because their dad is getting older and older. And I

607
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 9: think more than anything, what this family wants for Jerry

608
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 9: is one more super Bowl. And I think Jerry certainly

609
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 9: wants that.

610
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: Too, being around him, knowing what's going on with Micah Parsons.

611
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: Your sense is what.

612
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 9: My sense is that Jerry is like very comfortable in

613
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 9: these situations. And I don't know if that's a good

614
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 9: thing or a bad thing. I think we probably Cowboys

615
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 9: fans it's it's not a good thing. But I don't

616
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 9: think that he sweats in these situations, which I think

617
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 9: normally motivates most people to be like, all right, I

618
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 9: gotta go sign one of my star players to a

619
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Speaker 9: long term contract and lock him up early. And for

620
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 9: some reason, Jerry doesn't quite feel that ert that that that,

621
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Speaker 9: you know, he even says it. He's like, I'm comfortable

622
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 9: being uncomfortable. I'm comfortable with ambiguity, you know. And so

623
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Speaker 9: it was it was an interesting process. I to see

624
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 9: him be like that, So I don't know why he

625
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 9: necessarily does these things the way he does, or maybe

626
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 9: there's more information I don't know. Maybe maybe there's things

627
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 9: on Micah's team that they're not responding to or doing.

628
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 9: I don't know enough about it, but I know that

629
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 9: Jerry is very comfortable in these situations, which doesn't make

630
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 9: me think that things are going to change necessarily.

631
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Speaker 2: What's the next documentary with you and your brother?

632
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 9: Oh, actually we don't know. Actually, we're gonna take a

633
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 9: little time off. We had a three part doc that

634
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 9: came out in December of this last year that that

635
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 9: took us a while, and then this was an ad parter.

636
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 9: So we do do the Untold series on Netflix. Will

637
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 9: probably jump back in and do a little bit more

638
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 9: hands on producing there, which we're really excited about. But

639
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 9: right now we don't. We don't have anything in the hopper.

640
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 9: We're gonna take a little time off and then try

641
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 9: and tackle something, hopefully as big. But this one was

642
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 9: This one was tremendously fun. I mean it was the

643
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 9: first football documentary we made. I absolutely fell in love

644
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 9: with the sport and just following the Cowboys around and

645
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 9: really getting to meet the guys, Troy m and Michael, Dion, Barry, Jimmy.

646
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 9: They were all just phenomenal, phenomenal interviews.

647
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 2: Congrats to you and your brother, great stuff and good

648
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 2: luck with the documentary.

649
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 9: Awesome, Thanks so much for having me on Den.

650
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 2: That's McLain way, producer director. He's the co director executive

651
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: producer of the new documentary on Netflix, America's Team The Gambler,

652
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 2: and he's Cowboys. I'm sure it'll do quite well. But

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Speaker 2: you know, it's one thing. If you're watching the Cowboys play,

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Speaker 2: you can watch them play because you either love them

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Speaker 2: or you hate them. A documentary, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: you're tuning in if you don't like the Cowboys. Are

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Speaker 2: you tuning in if you love the Cowboys? Obviously you are,

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Speaker 2: But it's different when you're watching you if it's notating

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Speaker 2: football or duke basketball. There's just certain teams that are polarizing,

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Speaker 2: and that's why the Cowboys are still probably the biggest

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Speaker 2: draw on all of sports. We'll take a break. More

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Speaker 2: phone calls coming up, we'll update our poll results, and

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Speaker 2: we're back after this in the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: David in Ohio, Hi David, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 9: Hey?

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Speaker 11: Good morning, Dan. Yeah, I think Paul is definitely onto

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Speaker 11: something with the uniforms and the Washington Commanders, and what

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Speaker 11: do you expect when he got a franchise that Jesus

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Speaker 11: Tuddy the pig is their mascot. I got a thought,

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Speaker 11: why don't we just change the color like to bacon

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Speaker 11: color or something like that for the uniforms. I don't

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Speaker 11: know anybody that doesn't like bacon.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, all right, David, Thank you. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: was there during the peak years for the Hogs when

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Speaker 2: Thaisman was quarterbacking and Rigo was there in Art Monk

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Speaker 2: and Gary Clark and Ricky Sanders. They had great, great

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Speaker 2: teams back then. Andy had a Hall of Famer and

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Speaker 2: Joe Gibb. By the way, DraftKings just put out the

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Speaker 2: odds for the first pick in the twenty twenty six

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Speaker 2: NFL Draft. First pick. Now, I will say this, it's

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Speaker 2: obviously taking into consideration what arch Manning, grandfather Archie Manning

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Speaker 2: said that it's kind of obvious that he's going to

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Speaker 2: go back to Texas for another year, which is what

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Speaker 2: I told you quite a while ago, And that was

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Speaker 2: just intel that said this isn't He knows that he

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Speaker 2: needs a good thirty to thirty five starts before he

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Speaker 2: goes into the NFL. Uh So one, two, three four.

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Speaker 2: Arch Manning has the fifth best odds to be the

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Speaker 2: number one pick in the draft. Anybody want to take it? Oh,

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Speaker 2: Marvin's got his hand up already. Club Nick out of Clemson. No,

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Speaker 2: he's fourth on the list. Satan Penn State quarterback Drew Aller, Yes,

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Speaker 2: ding Ding Ding Ding Days stinking nailed it. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: did it. Okay. There's one player who's getting a lot

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Speaker 2: of attention, a lot of attention. Well, maybe not that

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Speaker 2: much attention, because you're all looking at me like, huh okay.

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Speaker 2: His name is Leonoris Sellars, Sellers, Sellers. He's gotten a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of attention, a whole lot of attention. South

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Speaker 2: Carolina Caid klub Nick, Garrett Nussmeyer, and then arch Manning

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Speaker 2: for the number one overall pick. I also saw this.

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Speaker 2: Now I am kind of infatuated with the fact that

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Speaker 2: Shoheo Tani's odds to win the MVP are minus twenty thousand,

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Speaker 2: and second on the list is Kyle Schwarbert plus thirteen hundred.

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Speaker 2: That's a really, really, really really big discrepancy, whereas in

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Speaker 2: the American League Aaron Judge minus one forty, Cal Rawley

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Speaker 2: is plus one oh five. You know, he got Seattle

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Speaker 2: in the playoff race. Raleigh would see have forty eight

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Speaker 2: home runs, forty six home runs something like that. He'd

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Speaker 2: have to hit sixty home runs and they make the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: and I think he could win the MVP. But Aaron

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Speaker 2: Judge has really good numbers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Pauling, it's interesting that Otani's almost getting credit for

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Speaker 3: being a pitcher while barely really pitching. I think he's

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Speaker 3: less than twenty innings this season, maybe twenty two innings,

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Speaker 3: so he's not His value as a pitcher hasn't been

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Speaker 3: seen yet, but it's like it's his award until someone

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Speaker 3: steals it from him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be really really difficult if he if he's

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Speaker 2: able to do both and just is a good pitcher

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Speaker 2: but still a great hitter or power hitter. It's just,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna say, an unfair advantage because he created

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Speaker 2: the unfair advantage, and you have to put up something

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Speaker 2: incredible if you're gonna knock him off that perch Uh

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Speaker 2: Prince in Tampa, Hi Prince, what's on your mind?

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Speaker 10: Hey, we're going on Dan six foot sixty yep. I

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Speaker 10: want to talk about this shador Stantas situation. I think

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Speaker 10: he's the only one with outside and you know, I

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Speaker 10: know that Tom Brady is his mentor. And you know,

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Speaker 10: when he played his first game at Colorado, he played

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Speaker 10: a TCU team that was you know, inter national championship

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Speaker 10: the year before, and he competed all four quarters without

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Speaker 10: an on line and a defense. Mytsumption is, what do

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Speaker 10: you think he's going to be you know, assume he

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Speaker 10: plays this year, what do you think his outside would

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Speaker 10: be like next year?

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Speaker 2: On the grounds, Well, depends on how much playing time

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Speaker 2: he gets. Keep in mind, you had all these analysts

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Speaker 2: who said that he's been set up to fail, which

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Speaker 2: I said, you guys are stupid. Now he gets to

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Speaker 2: play with the first team, Now he gets reps. Now

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Speaker 2: he gets to go into a game where he's got

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Speaker 2: you know, starting lineup with him. It was for him

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Speaker 2: to succeed, not fail. And I've you know, seen him

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Speaker 2: that first year at Colorado, they should have given them

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Speaker 2: the Purple Heart. You know, forget the Heisman because he

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Speaker 2: took a beating. Now, some of that is his own

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Speaker 2: making holding onto the ball. He's not that athletic, but

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Speaker 2: I see a great upside to him. Composure is so important.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's certain quarterbacks that they just have it,

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Speaker 2: and I just think he has it now. The reason

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Speaker 2: why he slipped, let's be honest, he didn't interview well.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it was football per se. I think

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Speaker 2: it was his attitude and I think that rubbed a

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Speaker 2: lot of people the wrong way. And information is shared.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't take long for a bad interview with the Giants,

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, some other team, and then

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Speaker 2: some other team, and then some other team. They know

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Speaker 2: the same thing. And while we can say tom Brady

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Speaker 2: is his I put an asterisk by that because Tom

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Speaker 2: Brady is a powerful man with the Raiders and they

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Speaker 2: could have drafted him and they didn't, and that I

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Speaker 2: thought was very telling because you could have gotten him

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Speaker 2: as a backup quarterback if you wanted to for Gino

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Speaker 2: Smith for two years. But I do think he's going

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Speaker 2: to play. I think he'll start games this year, and

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Speaker 2: I hope he plays well. I think you know he's

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Speaker 2: earned that opportunity. Jesse in South Dakota, Hi, Jess, what's

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Speaker 2: on your mind?

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Speaker 9: Dan?

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Speaker 12: Third time? Long time? Maybe last time? Suck at Fritzy

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Speaker 12: number one first off T shirt idea from your voting

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Speaker 12: adventures over the weekend. How about just a Captain Oblivious shirt? Okay,

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Speaker 12: kind of play an off of Fritzi's Captain Obvious with

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Speaker 12: your hat and maybe you holding a fuel can or something.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you? Anything else? Jess?

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Speaker 12: All right, I've been a Washington football fan my whole life,

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Speaker 12: but I've hated these colors since I was a kid.

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Speaker 12: I've refused to wear them since I was like a teenager.

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Speaker 12: So I've got a whole big branding thing. And that

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Speaker 12: also refused to call him the Commanders. I was in

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Speaker 12: DC back in January when we destroyed the Lions and

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Speaker 12: the playoffs. They were celebrating all over the streets. It

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Speaker 12: was such a cool experience, but I didn't hear anybody

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Speaker 12: chanting or talking about the Commanders. And I'm just curious

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Speaker 12: to hear what James and Virginia's take would be on that.

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Speaker 12: But I don't love the colors and do not like

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Speaker 12: the name commanders.

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Speaker 2: All right, thank you Jesse. It's Jesse in South Dakota.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the old uniform and you were successful with that

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Speaker 2: or given your age, that's why if you're over the

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Speaker 2: age of fifty, you probably don't like these uniforms because

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Speaker 2: you think back to the hogs in Rego and all

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Speaker 2: those great memories. I get it. Final hour in this

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Speaker 2: Tuesday coming up. We love talking to Chase Daniel. He

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Speaker 2: makes us smarter. He'll, I'm sure have all already broken

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Speaker 2: down the game film from some of these preseason games

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Speaker 2: with these quarterbacks. Back after this