Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio,
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Speaker 1: So after the last two weeks of talking about fostering
Speaker 1: likability in your kids and helping them make and coordinate
Speaker 1: friendships and their teens, one listener writes in that I'm
Speaker 1: overthinking it. Hi, Carol, love the show and your perspective,
Speaker 1: but you're overthinking it regarding kids. They're going to be
Speaker 1: who they are no matter what tips you give them
Speaker 1: to be more likable. Kids don't listen to their parents,
Speaker 1: especially when they are teenagers. I mean, yes, of course
Speaker 1: that's true. I remember very well instantly discarding the advice
Speaker 1: my parents would give me. That's why it's important to
Speaker 1: start young, but also model the behavior. Don't tell long
Speaker 1: winded stories yourself, be personable, be funny, let your kids
Speaker 1: see you with your friends and show them what that
Speaker 1: interaction should look like. My kids hear us cracking jokes
Speaker 1: with our friends, and they see us make plans with
Speaker 1: our friends, sometimes spontaneous, sometimes weeks in advance. But I
Speaker 1: don't think that they'll just pick it up by osmosis.
Speaker 1: And so we've had a lot of conversations, starting quite young,
Speaker 1: about how to make friends, how to maintain friendships. A
Speaker 1: lot of times kids need stuff pointed out to them
Speaker 1: so they can see how it works. This conversation started,
Speaker 1: like I said, two episodes ago, with a listener writing
Speaker 1: in that their daughter is a teenager and has friends,
Speaker 1: but never seems to see them outside of school and
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to coordinate plans. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a crazy thing to teach your kids. I think that
Speaker 1: they might not necessarily know how to coordinate their own
Speaker 1: plans after years of you making the plans for them.
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you can't make play dates for them
Speaker 1: when they're in high school, but it's not crazy to
Speaker 1: give them the strategy for how to make plans. And
Speaker 1: then last episode, we talked likability and whether you can
Speaker 1: help your kids be more likable to others. I say yes,
Speaker 1: I think people can change, and they can adjust their
Speaker 1: personality to be better. Yes, it's true, we're not more
Speaker 1: and perfect. I was a very shy kid, and then
Speaker 1: I was a teenager who talked too much, and I
Speaker 1: had to get over both of those challenges, and I
Speaker 1: like to think that maybe I did. Although if I
Speaker 1: told the teenager who talked too much that I now
Speaker 1: have two podcasts, she probably would have said that sounds
Speaker 1: about right. I get the argument that we don't want
Speaker 1: to be helicopter parents to our kids, and I assure
Speaker 1: you I'm the furthest thing from that, as anyone who
Speaker 1: has ever watched my kids run free can attest. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we can't guide our kids, and it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can't tell them the things and their
Speaker 1: personalities that they maybe need to improve to attract more
Speaker 1: people to their orbit. We've swung too far in the
Speaker 1: opposite direction if that scene is overstepping. We know our
Speaker 1: own kids, We know the amazing parts of their personalities
Speaker 1: and the less amazing parts. Well they listen, we'll see.
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Speaker 1: Safe Today. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.
Speaker 1: My guest today is David Hersani, senior writer at the
Speaker 1: Washington Examiner and the author of the new book The
Speaker 1: Rise of Bluing on how the Democrats became a party
Speaker 1: of conspiracy theorists.
Speaker 2: Hi, David's so nice to have you on.
Speaker 3: It's nice to be on. Thanks for having me so.
Speaker 1: I am super excited about your book, which I have here.
Speaker 1: I haven't read it yet, I just got it.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about it.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure you know and you've heard that the
Speaker 4: common perception, or the common case the media makes is
Speaker 4: that the right wing is far more perceptible, far more
Speaker 4: inclined to believe conspiracy theory is disinformation, misinformation and spread them.
Speaker 4: But the more I thought about it, not just in
Speaker 4: recent times, but historically speaking, the more I realized that
Speaker 4: that wasn't actually true. Now, I'm not saying right wingers
Speaker 4: aren't conspiracy theories. Sometimes we certainly are. But I think
Speaker 4: that the left wing conspiracies are much more dangerous and
Speaker 4: embedded in the argument they're making in a lot of ways,
Speaker 4: and it's not just conspiracy theories. It's like paranoia and
Speaker 4: more dangerous because it's laundered through media institutions, culture. You
Speaker 4: have experts, you know, who were supposed to trust, who
Speaker 4: spread these things, so it's a lot more difficult to
Speaker 4: dislodge or just debunk and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So that's the basic idea of the book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the trigger for you, Like, which conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory for you was like, Oh, that's it, I'm writing
Speaker 1: a book on this.
Speaker 4: I don't know how if it worked like that, but
Speaker 4: I think the Russia collusion conspiracy frightened me, and that
Speaker 4: frightened me. But I thought was the biggest, most successful
Speaker 4: conspiracy theory maybe in the history of the world as
Speaker 4: far as the political conspiracy theory goes. It consumed us
Speaker 4: for years. It shut down the ability of the White
Speaker 4: House to govern, in Congress to govern, and infected all
Speaker 4: kinds of people and I think changed everything. And then
Speaker 4: when COVID came, I think that finally was broke the
Speaker 4: fever and we don't trust anyone anymore.
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: That they ever be able to get away with something
Speaker 4: like that again, right, that was gonna be My next
Speaker 4: question is, could something like that happen again?
Speaker 1: We're about to head into a second Trump term. I
Speaker 1: can't imagine a lot of people haven't gotten over it, right.
Speaker 1: I mean Bill Maher, who was considered sort of a
Speaker 1: voice of sanity on the left, still believes Russian collusion happened.
Speaker 1: He said it just recently. So could something of this
Speaker 1: happen again?
Speaker 4: I think because of the margin of victory, it's going
Speaker 4: to be a little more difficult to pull something like
Speaker 4: that off.
Speaker 3: It could happen again.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow or in
Speaker 4: the next few years, because we are so people aren't.
Speaker 4: As this election probably proved, we don't really listen to
Speaker 4: mass media anymore in any serious way.
Speaker 3: I don't think we take them seriously.
Speaker 4: And it's not good because in a free country you
Speaker 4: need a media who you know, that's watching over people
Speaker 4: in power. So even if Donald Trump did something wrong,
Speaker 4: I don't think anyone would believe it, you know, and
Speaker 4: that's not good really for us at all. Right, So yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, just think about this cycle. Everyone,
Speaker 4: the whole media was kind of consumed with the idea
Speaker 4: that Hitler was coming and that fascism was a problem,
Speaker 4: which is also just paranoia. You know, it's a style
Speaker 4: of paranoia in politics that makes people kind of act
Speaker 4: very hysterical and stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why did they need the Russian collusion? Like for
Speaker 1: I don't understand, like you could just hate him, just
Speaker 1: hate him regularly. Why does he have to be a
Speaker 1: Russian spy? You know, I never quite got that. It
Speaker 1: was like he's so hateable in so many different ways, like,
Speaker 1: just just hate him regular They won't let us hate
Speaker 1: him because they're so insane that I'm constantly you find.
Speaker 4: Your you know, there was a skit about this. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you're constantly have to defend a guy. Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I just think they wanted to delegitimize his presidency. I
Speaker 4: mean that's another part of my book. You know, we
Speaker 4: we that stupid term election denier, where if you question
Speaker 4: anything you're in an election. To go back to two thousand,
Speaker 4: there's not a Democrat alive who's going to tell you
Speaker 4: that Bush actually won that election, even though there have
Speaker 4: been independent recounts of Florida and all that. Even in
Speaker 4: two thousand and four, they were almost every major Democrat
Speaker 4: had gotten involved in talking about dive bold machine or
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 2: That very well.
Speaker 1: Ohio, Hio was stolen from them in two thousand and
Speaker 1: four Dia Bold machines.
Speaker 4: And then twenty sixteen they didn't accept that election as legitimate.
Speaker 4: So it's not as if they just.
Speaker 3: Began doing this, right. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I mean there are writers who I started with, you know,
Speaker 4: at the same time I did, who are on the
Speaker 4: left who had never until maybe today, accepted a Republican
Speaker 4: presidential victory. So they're just as much election deniers as
Speaker 4: anyone else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you get into writing?
Speaker 4: Well, my dad, you know, he's defected from Hungary my
Speaker 4: mom as well, and he was really anti communists and
Speaker 4: really big on history and all that.
Speaker 3: We had books all over the place.
Speaker 4: So I just always enjoyed that and just not a
Speaker 4: very serious young person, I guess, and writing always seemed
Speaker 4: like an easy and fun thing to do, so I
Speaker 4: just kind of fell into sports writing first, is what
Speaker 4: my first jobs were.
Speaker 3: I did start writing.
Speaker 4: Politics until after nine to eleven, so I don't know,
Speaker 4: I never really thought of doing anything else.
Speaker 1: What do you consider your beat now at the Examiner, Like,
Speaker 1: what do you like to write about.
Speaker 2: I feel like I you.
Speaker 1: Know, I often get into I'm very into the culture, right.
Speaker 1: The culture topics do it for me much more than
Speaker 1: straight politics.
Speaker 2: Which I still do occasionally.
Speaker 1: But you know, definitely lean into some some beats more
Speaker 1: than others.
Speaker 4: I mean, if they let me, I would sit here
Speaker 4: and write about obscure records from the seventies.
Speaker 3: But they don't let me do that. Uh no, not now.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure many people would be interested in that
Speaker 3: to you.
Speaker 1: Pitched a column on that, because I feel like that
Speaker 1: actually would be very popular.
Speaker 4: I used to write the Happy war or occasionally write
Speaker 4: the Happy Warrior column in the National Review, and I
Speaker 4: would send them columns about stuff like that, and I'm
Speaker 4: always like, I can't believe they're letting me publish lists,
Speaker 4: you know, and they would. I would write the weirdest columns,
Speaker 4: but I think it's a no. I do get passionate
Speaker 4: about certain things. So if I'm writing, I like what
Speaker 4: I do. I'm very lucky. So I just my beat
Speaker 4: is anything. No one really tells me what to write,
Speaker 4: and I generally write about what's going on in politics.
Speaker 4: I try to be a contrarian on some issues. I
Speaker 4: don't feel like I'm being a contrarian, but people seem
Speaker 4: to think I'm doing it on purpose. I don't know. Ye,
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's my instinct. Like I was
Speaker 4: telling Molly Hemingway, who we both know, you know today
Speaker 4: that when a large group of people are really happy
Speaker 4: like they are today, I have I get very uncomfortable
Speaker 4: and restless and want to I want to steal some
Speaker 4: of their joy. Yeah, and I like to spark that
Speaker 4: kind of conversation. You know, That's what I try to
Speaker 4: do at least.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like I agree with you a lot, So I don't know.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to work harder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, someone is doing it. You know, no one agrees
Speaker 4: with me anywhere. I probably wouldn't have a career right right.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if there's anything big I disagreed
Speaker 1: with you on, and I don't think so. So you're
Speaker 1: going to have to really try hard on that contrarian streak.
Speaker 4: I'm going to really pay attentions, and when you're passionate
Speaker 4: about something, I'm going to I'm going to jump into
Speaker 4: your mensions and I'm just going to go the other way.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's excellent.
Speaker 1: So what would you tell your sixteen year old self, Like,
Speaker 1: any advice that you would offer young David Harsani.
Speaker 4: Yeah, stop smoking up and acting like a lunatic. Start
Speaker 4: getting serious about your life.
Speaker 2: Don't look at him, sixteen year old. Those those are
Speaker 2: the you know, you're supposed to do that kind.
Speaker 3: Of fine years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, I just wish I
Speaker 4: would have been a little more serious about the world,
Speaker 4: because it's good to get an early start. But yeah,
Speaker 4: you have to enjoy those years, and you should just
Speaker 4: do it. But don't do drugs. All little drugs, not
Speaker 4: too great stuff, not too many.
Speaker 2: Right, So what do you worry about?
Speaker 1: What were those things that you think you should have
Speaker 1: been taking more seriously?
Speaker 4: Well, honestly, what I worry about the only I am
Speaker 4: not very worried. I mean I'm not a person who
Speaker 4: like worries very much. I mean, I have a general
Speaker 4: worry about the future of the country. I just feel
Speaker 4: like there's not much I can do about that. I
Speaker 4: have my little space there and I make arguments. So
Speaker 4: so I just really worry about my own kids and hope,
Speaker 4: you know, and I hope that the world is a
Speaker 4: good you know, that they find fulfillment in this world
Speaker 4: and happiness and all that, and that the country is
Speaker 4: still the same country that I grew up in general,
Speaker 4: and you know, so I do worry about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you keep kids off the blue and
Speaker 1: on stuff?
Speaker 4: It's tough because the I didn't have the Internet growing up,
Speaker 4: you know, And I think that the Internet fuels that
Speaker 4: a bit, because a bunch of people who have crazy
Speaker 4: ideas can get together and kind of.
Speaker 3: Reinforce the craziness. So I worry about that a little.
Speaker 4: But also I like the Internet because it lets us
Speaker 4: debunk crazy things as well. Where you know, how do
Speaker 4: I keep the kids off? Well, my kids are pretty old.
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 4: They don't even They don't listen to me anymore or
Speaker 4: tell me what they're up to. Yeah, so I just
Speaker 4: hope that twenty one and twenty three.
Speaker 2: Soon are they're going to read your book.
Speaker 3: I doubt it. They're not very interested in politics, thankfully, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thankfully, my kids read the acknowledgments in my book because
Speaker 1: I mentioned them.
Speaker 4: But that was It's funny that you mentioned the acknowledgements
Speaker 4: because they're so They're like the hardest thing for me
Speaker 4: to write, because I know I'm going to forget someone.
Speaker 4: So I used to used to be I used to
Speaker 4: have like four pages of them. But now when in
Speaker 4: the opposite direction, I'm just like all my friends and
Speaker 4: this I don't have to worries.
Speaker 3: You got to keep it short.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, my co author of Bethany Mendel, like
Speaker 1: my joke at the time was like, she's she thanked
Speaker 1: everybody she'd ever met in her acknowledgements, and I just
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly do that. So I only thank like my
Speaker 1: family and like a few friends that like maybe really
Speaker 1: helped me with the book or had some role in
Speaker 1: my professional life, not just like yeah, every friend I've
Speaker 1: ever had, Yeah, she really ruined it for me.
Speaker 3: You could go either way on that.
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Speaker 1: protect what matters most. So other than Russiagate, what other
Speaker 1: blue and on conspiracy theories are out there?
Speaker 4: Well, there was a book in the sixty about the
Speaker 4: paranoid style of politics that at the time certain fringes
Speaker 4: of the Republican Party were involved in. Even though I
Speaker 4: think it's a terrible book, but anyway, my view is
Speaker 4: that it's.
Speaker 3: By Hofsted or I think was his name. It's called
Speaker 3: the Paradois style of politics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was about sort of Birchers and Goldwater
Speaker 4: and all this stuff. I think it's very misleading, but
Speaker 4: but he was right about certain current politics that take hold,
Speaker 4: and I think that is happening on the left. I'll
Speaker 4: give you an example, and it's an insidious thing, really,
Speaker 4: is the idea that black people are not allowed to vote,
Speaker 4: that there's voter suppression when it is easier to vote
Speaker 4: today than it's ever been for anyone. Right, you've convinced
Speaker 4: people that they have no agency. I'll give you another example,
Speaker 4: that white cops are hunting black young men across this
Speaker 4: country and killing them.
Speaker 3: This sort of.
Speaker 4: Thing is pernicious and false. And I'm not saying there
Speaker 4: are under racists. Of course there are racists out there,
Speaker 4: but the idea that the whole country is stacked against
Speaker 4: you and won't let you achieve anything, I think is
Speaker 4: a dangerous kind of paranoia. There's the whole anti Semitism
Speaker 4: and Jewish stuff that's going on on the left now,
Speaker 4: which is embedded in leftism forever, and you know happens
Speaker 4: on the right too, But that's driven by a lot
Speaker 4: of paranoia about Jewish power and money and a bunch
Speaker 4: of ignorant people who know nothing about history or Israel.
Speaker 4: So there are a lot of strands of it. I
Speaker 4: mean I go through them in the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you fight back against them?
Speaker 3: Difficult?
Speaker 4: I mean you try to make rational arguments, but when
Speaker 4: people are irrational, they're not typically open to hearing that.
Speaker 4: A lot of it is driven by emotion and by.
Speaker 1: Yes or start to crack through emotion. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: there's no reason there. You can't argue it out, it's
Speaker 1: just the.
Speaker 3: Exactly that's how you feel. Yeah, so a lot of that.
Speaker 1: So what do we do, David Te'll give us the solution.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's one in the book.
Speaker 4: The Thing that People Ivor in is my sixth book,
Speaker 4: and every book everyone's like, you never offer or a solution.
Speaker 1: Really, they make you off most of the time.
Speaker 3: No, they did.
Speaker 4: So there's a very short chapter at the end of
Speaker 4: the book.
Speaker 2: I don't know, this might be, this might work, try this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think you don't have to act. There's
Speaker 4: a thing now with a lot of people who like
Speaker 4: Trump where they're like the left did all these terrible things,
Speaker 4: we need to do all these terrible things.
Speaker 3: Also to show them. I think that's not a.
Speaker 4: Winning formula, and I don't think it's the way people
Speaker 4: should act. Now they'll call me a cuck or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I think that there's got to be some repercussions, like
Speaker 1: the whole cancel culture thing, where people, you know, the
Speaker 1: left comes for their enemies and cancels whoever they want. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we should cancel them back. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: just the idea is that lessons need lessons need to
Speaker 1: be taught.
Speaker 2: M So I don't know. I yeah, okay, we found
Speaker 2: a point of disagreement.
Speaker 4: There we go, there we go. Yeah, I should write
Speaker 4: a column on this. I don't actually disagree with that
Speaker 4: part of it. I'm not a big I've never big
Speaker 4: a big critic of cancel culture. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's good. I think people should
Speaker 4: be heard. I believe in those principles, But the idea
Speaker 4: that someone should be teaching in a university and teaching
Speaker 4: that Jewish people are, you know, Martians who want to
Speaker 4: suck your blood or whatever they're.
Speaker 2: Doing, we're not supposed to tell them.
Speaker 4: Why should we have to platform people who are insane.
Speaker 4: I you know, so I think it's it's but that's
Speaker 4: not what I meant. I didn't mean it like that.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you believe in free speech and you're
Speaker 4: making arguments about free speech as a neutral expression that
Speaker 4: everyone should have a say, you should hold that principle
Speaker 4: going forward. If you believe, you know, in separations of powers,
Speaker 4: or like you believe in the filibuster right, and you
Speaker 4: think it's a good thing, just because Trump's present, you
Speaker 4: should still.
Speaker 3: Believe it's a good thing.
Speaker 4: I just I'm worried about I should have answered this
Speaker 4: for the worried question.
Speaker 3: I'm worried that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am worried about the norms of governance being
Speaker 4: just completely shattered because people have gone insane with part heartisanship.
Speaker 4: So I meant it more like like that.
Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't think Trump should go prosecute his political
Speaker 1: enemies like they did to him.
Speaker 4: I think he should if they've actually done something corrupt
Speaker 4: or wrong. Everybody, that's true, that's true. I don't think
Speaker 4: that's a winning formula for him in the long run.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that it will make people on
Speaker 4: Twitter feel good, but I don't think the normy who's
Speaker 4: used to vote Democrat, who decided to vote for him,
Speaker 4: is going to feel I think he's going to feel
Speaker 4: better if Trump's out there doing the stuff he said
Speaker 4: he would do, rather than chasing down some lefty who
Speaker 4: wronged him.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's politically the smarter move. Just I feel
Speaker 1: like people need to be punished for a lot of
Speaker 1: the stuff that's gone down in the last few years.
Speaker 4: And that's part of my book too. There's no reckoning
Speaker 4: for there's no reckoning for Russia collusion. Like, no one
Speaker 4: lost their job. They got better jobs, Like Adam Shift
Speaker 4: did not lose his. He's, you know, one of the
Speaker 4: most corrupt people going in Washington. He has a better job. Now,
Speaker 4: did anyone in media get fired? No, they went on
Speaker 4: and you know, they went on and hid Joe Biden's
Speaker 4: acuity problems and physical decline. They just they don't care.
Speaker 4: So yeah, well there needs to be a Reckonizink.
Speaker 1: We're having this conversation, this talk of Comcast spinning off
Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN is going to have massive layoffs. So
Speaker 1: they did kind of get theirs or they will. So
Speaker 1: did anybody specifically get fired for the Russian inclusion? No?
Speaker 1: But trust in media is at an all time low,
Speaker 1: and you got to imagine that that has something.
Speaker 2: To do with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I just think the incentives are always wrong when Trump's around,
Speaker 4: because it usually will bring you ratings if you are
Speaker 4: hysterical about him.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's going to change now, But I do wonder
Speaker 4: in the long run if that's true, because, as you know,
Speaker 4: in media, it's not just we hate Trump. There's a
Speaker 4: culture problem from top to bottom. You have the if
Speaker 4: someone writes something or has a different opinion at your publication,
Speaker 4: a bunch of editorial assistants will get the editorial page,
Speaker 4: you know, editor fired. That's a cultural problem that's going
Speaker 4: to take a lot to change. You see these law
Speaker 4: professors on Twitter. They're insane. They're against the First Amendment.
Speaker 4: They are, I mean, so that needs to change. I
Speaker 4: think going to journalism school is the worst thing you
Speaker 4: can do if you want to be a journalist these days.
Speaker 4: Are be a good journalist, but he gets rewarded with hits.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the year long internship with a sports writer. It
Speaker 4: was like an old timey, cranky sportswriter in New York,
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 3: Think that was the best education. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4: Journalism school like journalism professors, a PhD s. That's insane.
Speaker 4: You'd never even step in a newsroom. You should, you should.
Speaker 4: It should be like a one year certificate program to
Speaker 4: be a journalist. And that just used a common sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to replace maybe four years of college. I
Speaker 1: don't think you need an additional one year.
Speaker 3: I don't think if you need the four I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean I got started in the blog world, so
Speaker 1: I think to start a blog and see where it goes.
Speaker 1: I think that's that's my advice to that's my advice
Speaker 1: standing young people listening.
Speaker 4: The blogging revolution was for me the best time because
Speaker 4: it was blew away the gatekeepers, big media didn't matter
Speaker 4: that much, and yet there were so many smart people
Speaker 4: out there who had never been able to, you know,
Speaker 4: never had the platforms arguing about things, all kinds of
Speaker 4: sort of niche topics and micro arguments and broad arguments.
Speaker 4: And then Twitter came and everyone had to distill all
Speaker 4: their opinions into like an lol as they flew by,
Speaker 4: you know, someone's opinion or and mocked people, and it's
Speaker 4: become much uglier.
Speaker 3: So for me, the blogging era was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3: I loved.
Speaker 1: All the best people from the blogging era got hired
Speaker 1: by the mainstream outlets. That was sort of what what
Speaker 1: ended up happening, that if you were good and popular,
Speaker 1: you were getting picked up somewhere. And that's really what
Speaker 1: I think ended that whole Golden age. I mean, Twitter
Speaker 1: sort of almost brought it back a little bit, but
Speaker 1: just in a.
Speaker 2: Dumb or fashion.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: I was on a newspaper at the Denver Post when
Speaker 4: that was happening, and I remember going to the editors
Speaker 4: and trying to blog.
Speaker 3: I was saying, we should be doing this. We're gonna
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 4: Much more interesting, it's more immediate, you know, and quick
Speaker 4: reactions and all that. So I tried to recruit some
Speaker 4: people and they were like, well, we need to be
Speaker 4: paid extra to do this obviously, right. I'm like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're missing the point of this. You know, you should
Speaker 4: you know, you should build. So I remember sending my
Speaker 4: pieces to Instapundent and others and trying to get involved
Speaker 4: in that world because I felt like that was where
Speaker 4: it was going. That's what excited me at least. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so there's no more Denver Posts. There's like eleven people
Speaker 4: work there, so.
Speaker 2: They should maybe start blogging.
Speaker 1: Well. I have loved this conversation. I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: read The Rise of Bluing on how the Democrats became
Speaker 1: a party of conspiracy theorists. And here with your best
Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their life.
Speaker 4: For young people, I think that the thing they need
Speaker 4: to do is get married as early as possible and
Speaker 4: have as many kids as possible. I wish I had
Speaker 4: had more children. There's nothing greater in life than doing that.
Speaker 4: And the second thing, though I am in no position
Speaker 4: to get people tips about their lives, I think stop
Speaker 4: thinking about politics so much. It's just too many people
Speaker 4: are too obsessed. I think with what's going on in politics,
Speaker 4: it really doesn't affect your life as much as you think,
Speaker 4: and it just makes people miserable most of the time.
Speaker 4: So that would be my small piece of advice to people.
Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much, David. Loved having you on.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marko
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