1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio, 2 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: and welcome to the new time slot. The Carol Markowitz 3 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Show is now airing Wednesdays and Fridays, so you can 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: get my non political podcast this show, The Carol mark 5 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: Wooz Show on Wednesdays and Fridays, and then normally the 6 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: political podcast I co host with Mary Katherine Ham every 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Tuesday and Thursday. Only day you don't get me is Mondays. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: So after the last two weeks of talking about fostering 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: likability in your kids and helping them make and coordinate 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: friendships and their teens, one listener writes in that I'm 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 1: overthinking it. Hi, Carol, love the show and your perspective, 12 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: but you're overthinking it regarding kids. They're going to be 13 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: who they are no matter what tips you give them 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 1: to be more likable. Kids don't listen to their parents, 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: especially when they are teenagers. I mean, yes, of course 16 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: that's true. I remember very well instantly discarding the advice 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: my parents would give me. That's why it's important to 18 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: start young, but also model the behavior. Don't tell long 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: winded stories yourself, be personable, be funny, let your kids 20 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: see you with your friends and show them what that 21 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: interaction should look like. My kids hear us cracking jokes 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: with our friends, and they see us make plans with 23 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: our friends, sometimes spontaneous, sometimes weeks in advance. But I 24 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,479 Speaker 1: don't think that they'll just pick it up by osmosis. 25 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: And so we've had a lot of conversations, starting quite young, 26 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: about how to make friends, how to maintain friendships. A 27 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: lot of times kids need stuff pointed out to them 28 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: so they can see how it works. This conversation started, 29 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: like I said, two episodes ago, with a listener writing 30 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: in that their daughter is a teenager and has friends, 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: but never seems to see them outside of school and 32 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: doesn't know how to coordinate plans. I don't think that's 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: a crazy thing to teach your kids. I think that 34 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: they might not necessarily know how to coordinate their own 35 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: plans after years of you making the plans for them. 36 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, you can't make play dates for them 37 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: when they're in high school, but it's not crazy to 38 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: give them the strategy for how to make plans. And 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: then last episode, we talked likability and whether you can 40 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: help your kids be more likable to others. I say yes, 41 00:02:32,800 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: I think people can change, and they can adjust their 42 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: personality to be better. Yes, it's true, we're not more 43 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: and perfect. I was a very shy kid, and then 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: I was a teenager who talked too much, and I 45 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 1: had to get over both of those challenges, and I 46 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: like to think that maybe I did. Although if I 47 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: told the teenager who talked too much that I now 48 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: have two podcasts, she probably would have said that sounds 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: about right. I get the argument that we don't want 50 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: to be helicopter parents to our kids, and I assure 51 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: you I'm the furthest thing from that, as anyone who 52 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: has ever watched my kids run free can attest. But 53 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean we can't guide our kids, and it 54 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we can't tell them the things and their 55 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: personalities that they maybe need to improve to attract more 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: people to their orbit. We've swung too far in the 57 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: opposite direction if that scene is overstepping. We know our 58 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: own kids, We know the amazing parts of their personalities 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 1: and the less amazing parts. Well they listen, we'll see. 60 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: I'd love to hear your thoughts on this, or anything 61 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: I talk about on the show. Drop me an email. 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: Carol Maarkowitz Show at gmail dot com. 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Join millions trusting Saber visit 81 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: saber radio dot com. That's s A b R Radio 82 00:05:01,839 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: dot com, or call eight four four eight two four 83 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: Safe Today. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 84 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: My guest today is David Hersani, senior writer at the 85 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: Washington Examiner and the author of the new book The 86 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: Rise of Bluing on how the Democrats became a party 87 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theorists. 88 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 2: Hi, David's so nice to have you on. 89 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 3: It's nice to be on. Thanks for having me so. 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: I am super excited about your book, which I have here. 91 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 1: I haven't read it yet, I just got it. 92 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about it. 93 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 4: Well, I'm sure you know and you've heard that the 94 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 4: common perception, or the common case the media makes is 95 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 4: that the right wing is far more perceptible, far more 96 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 4: inclined to believe conspiracy theory is disinformation, misinformation and spread them. 97 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 4: But the more I thought about it, not just in 98 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 4: recent times, but historically speaking, the more I realized that 99 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 4: that wasn't actually true. Now, I'm not saying right wingers 100 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 4: aren't conspiracy theories. Sometimes we certainly are. But I think 101 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 4: that the left wing conspiracies are much more dangerous and 102 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 4: embedded in the argument they're making in a lot of ways, 103 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: and it's not just conspiracy theories. It's like paranoia and 104 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: more dangerous because it's laundered through media institutions, culture. You 105 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 4: have experts, you know, who were supposed to trust, who 106 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: spread these things, so it's a lot more difficult to 107 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 4: dislodge or just debunk and stuff like that. 108 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: So that's the basic idea of the book. 109 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, what was the trigger for you, Like, which conspiracy 110 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: theory for you was like, Oh, that's it, I'm writing 111 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: a book on this. 112 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: I don't know how if it worked like that, but 113 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 4: I think the Russia collusion conspiracy frightened me, and that 114 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 4: frightened me. But I thought was the biggest, most successful 115 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 4: conspiracy theory maybe in the history of the world as 116 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 4: far as the political conspiracy theory goes. It consumed us 117 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 4: for years. It shut down the ability of the White 118 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 4: House to govern, in Congress to govern, and infected all 119 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 4: kinds of people and I think changed everything. And then 120 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 4: when COVID came, I think that finally was broke the 121 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: fever and we don't trust anyone anymore. 122 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: So I'm not sure. 123 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 4: That they ever be able to get away with something 124 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 4: like that again, right, that was gonna be My next 125 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 4: question is, could something like that happen again? 126 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: We're about to head into a second Trump term. I 127 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: can't imagine a lot of people haven't gotten over it, right. 128 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean Bill Maher, who was considered sort of a 129 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: voice of sanity on the left, still believes Russian collusion happened. 130 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: He said it just recently. So could something of this 131 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: happen again? 132 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 4: I think because of the margin of victory, it's going 133 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: to be a little more difficult to pull something like 134 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 4: that off. 135 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: It could happen again. 136 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow or in 137 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 4: the next few years, because we are so people aren't. 138 00:07:57,000 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 4: As this election probably proved, we don't really listen to 139 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 4: mass media anymore in any serious way. 140 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 3: I don't think we take them seriously. 141 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 4: And it's not good because in a free country you 142 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 4: need a media who you know, that's watching over people 143 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 4: in power. So even if Donald Trump did something wrong, 144 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 4: I don't think anyone would believe it, you know, and 145 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 4: that's not good really for us at all. Right, So yeah, 146 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: I mean, you know, just think about this cycle. Everyone, 147 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: the whole media was kind of consumed with the idea 148 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 4: that Hitler was coming and that fascism was a problem, 149 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 4: which is also just paranoia. You know, it's a style 150 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 4: of paranoia in politics that makes people kind of act 151 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 4: very hysterical and stupid. 152 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, why did they need the Russian collusion? Like for 153 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 1: I don't understand, like you could just hate him, just 154 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:50,599 Speaker 1: hate him regularly. Why does he have to be a 155 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: Russian spy? You know, I never quite got that. It 156 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: was like he's so hateable in so many different ways, like, 157 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: just just hate him regular They won't let us hate 158 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: him because they're so insane that I'm constantly you find. 159 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 4: Your you know, there was a skit about this. Yeah, 160 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 4: you're constantly have to defend a guy. Yeah, I don't. 161 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: I just think they wanted to delegitimize his presidency. I 162 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 4: mean that's another part of my book. You know, we 163 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 4: we that stupid term election denier, where if you question 164 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,559 Speaker 4: anything you're in an election. To go back to two thousand, 165 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:24,840 Speaker 4: there's not a Democrat alive who's going to tell you 166 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 4: that Bush actually won that election, even though there have 167 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: been independent recounts of Florida and all that. Even in 168 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 4: two thousand and four, they were almost every major Democrat 169 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 4: had gotten involved in talking about dive bold machine or 170 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 4: I remember. 171 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: That very well. 172 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: Ohio, Hio was stolen from them in two thousand and 173 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 1: four Dia Bold machines. 174 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 4: And then twenty sixteen they didn't accept that election as legitimate. 175 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 4: So it's not as if they just. 176 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: Began doing this, right. Yeah. 177 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 4: I mean there are writers who I started with, you know, 178 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 4: at the same time I did, who are on the 179 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,359 Speaker 4: left who had never until maybe today, accepted a Republican 180 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 4: presidential victory. So they're just as much election deniers as 181 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 4: anyone else. 182 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did you get into writing? 183 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: Well, my dad, you know, he's defected from Hungary my 184 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:16,319 Speaker 4: mom as well, and he was really anti communists and 185 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 4: really big on history and all that. 186 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: We had books all over the place. 187 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 4: So I just always enjoyed that and just not a 188 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 4: very serious young person, I guess, and writing always seemed 189 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 4: like an easy and fun thing to do, so I 190 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 4: just kind of fell into sports writing first, is what 191 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 4: my first jobs were. 192 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 3: I did start writing. 193 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 4: Politics until after nine to eleven, so I don't know, 194 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 4: I never really thought of doing anything else. 195 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: What do you consider your beat now at the Examiner, Like, 196 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: what do you like to write about. 197 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: I feel like I you. 198 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: Know, I often get into I'm very into the culture, right. 199 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: The culture topics do it for me much more than 200 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: straight politics. 201 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 2: Which I still do occasionally. 202 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: But you know, definitely lean into some some beats more 203 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: than others. 204 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 4: I mean, if they let me, I would sit here 205 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: and write about obscure records from the seventies. 206 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: But they don't let me do that. Uh no, not now. 207 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: I'm not sure many people would be interested in that 208 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 3: to you. 209 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: Pitched a column on that, because I feel like that 210 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: actually would be very popular. 211 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 4: I used to write the Happy war or occasionally write 212 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 4: the Happy Warrior column in the National Review, and I 213 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 4: would send them columns about stuff like that, and I'm 214 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: always like, I can't believe they're letting me publish lists, 215 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 4: you know, and they would. I would write the weirdest columns, 216 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 4: but I think it's a no. I do get passionate 217 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: about certain things. So if I'm writing, I like what 218 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 4: I do. I'm very lucky. So I just my beat 219 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 4: is anything. No one really tells me what to write, 220 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 4: and I generally write about what's going on in politics. 221 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 4: I try to be a contrarian on some issues. I 222 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,839 Speaker 4: don't feel like I'm being a contrarian, but people seem 223 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 4: to think I'm doing it on purpose. I don't know. Ye, 224 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 4: I don't know if that's my instinct. Like I was 225 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 4: telling Molly Hemingway, who we both know, you know today 226 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 4: that when a large group of people are really happy 227 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 4: like they are today, I have I get very uncomfortable 228 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,960 Speaker 4: and restless and want to I want to steal some 229 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 4: of their joy. Yeah, and I like to spark that 230 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 4: kind of conversation. You know, That's what I try to 231 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 4: do at least. 232 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel. 233 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,000 Speaker 1: Like I agree with you a lot, So I don't know. 234 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: You're gonna have to work harder. 235 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, someone is doing it. You know, no one agrees 236 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 4: with me anywhere. I probably wouldn't have a career right right. 237 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if there's anything big I disagreed 238 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 1: with you on, and I don't think so. So you're 239 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: going to have to really try hard on that contrarian streak. 240 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 4: I'm going to really pay attentions, and when you're passionate 241 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: about something, I'm going to I'm going to jump into 242 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 4: your mensions and I'm just going to go the other way. 243 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 244 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 2: Yes, that's excellent. 245 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: So what would you tell your sixteen year old self, Like, 246 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: any advice that you would offer young David Harsani. 247 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, stop smoking up and acting like a lunatic. Start 248 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: getting serious about your life. 249 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 2: Don't look at him, sixteen year old. Those those are 250 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 2: the you know, you're supposed to do that kind. 251 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 3: Of fine years. 252 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, yeah, I just wish I 253 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 4: would have been a little more serious about the world, 254 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 4: because it's good to get an early start. But yeah, 255 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 4: you have to enjoy those years, and you should just 256 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 4: do it. But don't do drugs. All little drugs, not 257 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 4: too great stuff, not too many. 258 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 2: Right, So what do you worry about? 259 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: What were those things that you think you should have 260 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: been taking more seriously? 261 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 4: Well, honestly, what I worry about the only I am 262 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 4: not very worried. I mean I'm not a person who 263 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 4: like worries very much. I mean, I have a general 264 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: worry about the future of the country. I just feel 265 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 4: like there's not much I can do about that. I 266 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,719 Speaker 4: have my little space there and I make arguments. So 267 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 4: so I just really worry about my own kids and hope, 268 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 4: you know, and I hope that the world is a 269 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: good you know, that they find fulfillment in this world 270 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: and happiness and all that, and that the country is 271 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 4: still the same country that I grew up in general, 272 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 4: and you know, so I do worry about that. 273 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you keep kids off the blue and 274 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: on stuff? 275 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 4: It's tough because the I didn't have the Internet growing up, 276 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 4: you know, And I think that the Internet fuels that 277 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: a bit, because a bunch of people who have crazy 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 4: ideas can get together and kind of. 279 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 3: Reinforce the craziness. So I worry about that a little. 280 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 4: But also I like the Internet because it lets us 281 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 4: debunk crazy things as well. Where you know, how do 282 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 4: I keep the kids off? Well, my kids are pretty old. 283 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: I can't. 284 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: They don't even They don't listen to me anymore or 285 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 4: tell me what they're up to. Yeah, so I just 286 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 4: hope that twenty one and twenty three. 287 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 2: Soon are they're going to read your book. 288 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 3: I doubt it. They're not very interested in politics, thankfully, Yeah. 289 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: Thankfully, my kids read the acknowledgments in my book because 290 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: I mentioned them. 291 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: But that was It's funny that you mentioned the acknowledgements 292 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 4: because they're so They're like the hardest thing for me 293 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 4: to write, because I know I'm going to forget someone. 294 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 4: So I used to used to be I used to 295 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 4: have like four pages of them. But now when in 296 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: the opposite direction, I'm just like all my friends and 297 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: this I don't have to worries. 298 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: You got to keep it short. 299 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, my co author of Bethany Mendel, like 300 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: my joke at the time was like, she's she thanked 301 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: everybody she'd ever met in her acknowledgements, and I just 302 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: couldn't possibly do that. So I only thank like my 303 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: family and like a few friends that like maybe really 304 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: helped me with the book or had some role in 305 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: my professional life, not just like yeah, every friend I've 306 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: ever had, Yeah, she really ruined it for me. 307 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 3: You could go either way on that. 308 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: More coming up with David. But first, protecting our families 309 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: and homes is essential, but are we truly prepared? Break 310 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: Ins happen every twenty five seconds. Even with the security system, 311 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: can it really keep intruders out? Layer your defenses to 312 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: buy yourself time. 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So other than Russiagate, what other 328 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: blue and on conspiracy theories are out there? 329 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 4: Well, there was a book in the sixty about the 330 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: paranoid style of politics that at the time certain fringes 331 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 4: of the Republican Party were involved in. Even though I 332 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 4: think it's a terrible book, but anyway, my view is 333 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,439 Speaker 4: that it's. 334 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 3: By Hofsted or I think was his name. It's called 335 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: the Paradois style of politics. 336 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, and it was about sort of Birchers and Goldwater 337 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,959 Speaker 4: and all this stuff. I think it's very misleading, but 338 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 4: but he was right about certain current politics that take hold, 339 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 4: and I think that is happening on the left. I'll 340 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 4: give you an example, and it's an insidious thing, really, 341 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 4: is the idea that black people are not allowed to vote, 342 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 4: that there's voter suppression when it is easier to vote 343 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 4: today than it's ever been for anyone. Right, you've convinced 344 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 4: people that they have no agency. I'll give you another example, 345 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,399 Speaker 4: that white cops are hunting black young men across this 346 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 4: country and killing them. 347 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 3: This sort of. 348 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 4: Thing is pernicious and false. And I'm not saying there 349 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: are under racists. Of course there are racists out there, 350 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: but the idea that the whole country is stacked against 351 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 4: you and won't let you achieve anything, I think is 352 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: a dangerous kind of paranoia. There's the whole anti Semitism 353 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 4: and Jewish stuff that's going on on the left now, 354 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: which is embedded in leftism forever, and you know happens 355 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 4: on the right too, But that's driven by a lot 356 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 4: of paranoia about Jewish power and money and a bunch 357 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 4: of ignorant people who know nothing about history or Israel. 358 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 4: So there are a lot of strands of it. I 359 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 4: mean I go through them in the book. 360 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you fight back against them? 361 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 3: Difficult? 362 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 4: I mean you try to make rational arguments, but when 363 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 4: people are irrational, they're not typically open to hearing that. 364 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 4: A lot of it is driven by emotion and by. 365 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: Yes or start to crack through emotion. It's like, you know, 366 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: there's no reason there. You can't argue it out, it's 367 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: just the. 368 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 3: Exactly that's how you feel. Yeah, so a lot of that. 369 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: So what do we do, David Te'll give us the solution. 370 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's one in the book. 371 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 4: The Thing that People Ivor in is my sixth book, 372 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 4: and every book everyone's like, you never offer or a solution. 373 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 1: Really, they make you off most of the time. 374 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 3: No, they did. 375 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 4: So there's a very short chapter at the end of 376 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 4: the book. 377 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 2: I don't know, this might be, this might work, try this. 378 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think you don't have to act. There's 379 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 4: a thing now with a lot of people who like 380 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 4: Trump where they're like the left did all these terrible things, 381 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 4: we need to do all these terrible things. 382 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: Also to show them. I think that's not a. 383 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 4: Winning formula, and I don't think it's the way people 384 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 4: should act. Now they'll call me a cuck or whatever. 385 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 2: I don't know if I agree with you. 386 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: I think that there's got to be some repercussions, like 387 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: the whole cancel culture thing, where people, you know, the 388 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: left comes for their enemies and cancels whoever they want. Like, yeah, 389 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: I think we should cancel them back. I think, you know, 390 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: just the idea is that lessons need lessons need to 391 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: be taught. 392 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 2: M So I don't know. I yeah, okay, we found 393 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 2: a point of disagreement. 394 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 4: There we go, there we go. Yeah, I should write 395 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 4: a column on this. I don't actually disagree with that 396 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 4: part of it. I'm not a big I've never big 397 00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 4: a big critic of cancel culture. I gotta be honest. 398 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: I'm not saying that it's good. I think people should 399 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,479 Speaker 4: be heard. I believe in those principles, But the idea 400 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 4: that someone should be teaching in a university and teaching 401 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: that Jewish people are, you know, Martians who want to 402 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 4: suck your blood or whatever they're. 403 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 2: Doing, we're not supposed to tell them. 404 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 4: Why should we have to platform people who are insane. 405 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 4: I you know, so I think it's it's but that's 406 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,640 Speaker 4: not what I meant. I didn't mean it like that. 407 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 4: I mean, if you believe in free speech and you're 408 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: making arguments about free speech as a neutral expression that 409 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 4: everyone should have a say, you should hold that principle 410 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 4: going forward. If you believe, you know, in separations of powers, 411 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 4: or like you believe in the filibuster right, and you 412 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,399 Speaker 4: think it's a good thing, just because Trump's present, you 413 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 4: should still. 414 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 3: Believe it's a good thing. 415 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,239 Speaker 4: I just I'm worried about I should have answered this 416 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 4: for the worried question. 417 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: I'm worried that. 418 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I am worried about the norms of governance being 419 00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 4: just completely shattered because people have gone insane with part heartisanship. 420 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 4: So I meant it more like like that. 421 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't think Trump should go prosecute his political 422 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: enemies like they did to him. 423 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: I think he should if they've actually done something corrupt 424 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 4: or wrong. Everybody, that's true, that's true. I don't think 425 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 4: that's a winning formula for him in the long run. 426 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that it will make people on 427 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 4: Twitter feel good, but I don't think the normy who's 428 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: used to vote Democrat, who decided to vote for him, 429 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 4: is going to feel I think he's going to feel 430 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 4: better if Trump's out there doing the stuff he said 431 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 4: he would do, rather than chasing down some lefty who 432 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 4: wronged him. 433 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's politically the smarter move. Just I feel 434 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: like people need to be punished for a lot of 435 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: the stuff that's gone down in the last few years. 436 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 4: And that's part of my book too. There's no reckoning 437 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 4: for there's no reckoning for Russia collusion. Like, no one 438 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 4: lost their job. They got better jobs, Like Adam Shift 439 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 4: did not lose his. He's, you know, one of the 440 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: most corrupt people going in Washington. He has a better job. Now, 441 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 4: did anyone in media get fired? No, they went on 442 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: and you know, they went on and hid Joe Biden's 443 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 4: acuity problems and physical decline. They just they don't care. 444 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, well there needs to be a Reckonizink. 445 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: We're having this conversation, this talk of Comcast spinning off 446 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,959 Speaker 1: MSNBC and CNN is going to have massive layoffs. So 447 00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: they did kind of get theirs or they will. So 448 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: did anybody specifically get fired for the Russian inclusion? No? 449 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: But trust in media is at an all time low, 450 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,880 Speaker 1: and you got to imagine that that has something. 451 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 2: To do with it. 452 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 453 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: I just think the incentives are always wrong when Trump's around, 454 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 4: because it usually will bring you ratings if you are 455 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 4: hysterical about him. 456 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 2: Right. 457 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 4: Maybe that's going to change now, But I do wonder 458 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 4: in the long run if that's true, because, as you know, 459 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 4: in media, it's not just we hate Trump. There's a 460 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 4: culture problem from top to bottom. You have the if 461 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,919 Speaker 4: someone writes something or has a different opinion at your publication, 462 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:01,439 Speaker 4: a bunch of editorial assistants will get the editorial page, 463 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 4: you know, editor fired. That's a cultural problem that's going 464 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: to take a lot to change. You see these law 465 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 4: professors on Twitter. They're insane. They're against the First Amendment. 466 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,159 Speaker 4: They are, I mean, so that needs to change. I 467 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 4: think going to journalism school is the worst thing you 468 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 4: can do if you want to be a journalist these days. 469 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 4: Are be a good journalist, but he gets rewarded with hits. 470 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 3: No. 471 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, the year long internship with a sports writer. It 472 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: was like an old timey, cranky sportswriter in New York, 473 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 4: And I. 474 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: Think that was the best education. Yeah, I mean. 475 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 4: Journalism school like journalism professors, a PhD s. That's insane. 476 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 4: You'd never even step in a newsroom. You should, you should. 477 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 4: It should be like a one year certificate program to 478 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 4: be a journalist. And that just used a common sense. 479 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to replace maybe four years of college. I 480 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,640 Speaker 1: don't think you need an additional one year. 481 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 3: I don't think if you need the four I. 482 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 2: Don't know, yeah exactly. 483 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: I mean I got started in the blog world, so 484 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: I think to start a blog and see where it goes. 485 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: I think that's that's my advice to that's my advice 486 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 1: standing young people listening. 487 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 4: The blogging revolution was for me the best time because 488 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 4: it was blew away the gatekeepers, big media didn't matter 489 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 4: that much, and yet there were so many smart people 490 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 4: out there who had never been able to, you know, 491 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,159 Speaker 4: never had the platforms arguing about things, all kinds of 492 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: sort of niche topics and micro arguments and broad arguments. 493 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: And then Twitter came and everyone had to distill all 494 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 4: their opinions into like an lol as they flew by, 495 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 4: you know, someone's opinion or and mocked people, and it's 496 00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 4: become much uglier. 497 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 3: So for me, the blogging era was a lot of fun. 498 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: I loved. 499 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 1: All the best people from the blogging era got hired 500 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: by the mainstream outlets. That was sort of what what 501 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,680 Speaker 1: ended up happening, that if you were good and popular, 502 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,399 Speaker 1: you were getting picked up somewhere. And that's really what 503 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: I think ended that whole Golden age. I mean, Twitter 504 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: sort of almost brought it back a little bit, but 505 00:24:59,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: just in a. 506 00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:00,640 Speaker 2: Dumb or fashion. 507 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:02,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. 508 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 4: I was on a newspaper at the Denver Post when 509 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 4: that was happening, and I remember going to the editors 510 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 4: and trying to blog. 511 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: I was saying, we should be doing this. We're gonna 512 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: this is. 513 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 4: Much more interesting, it's more immediate, you know, and quick 514 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 4: reactions and all that. So I tried to recruit some 515 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 4: people and they were like, well, we need to be 516 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 4: paid extra to do this obviously, right. I'm like, yeah, yeah, 517 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,200 Speaker 4: you're missing the point of this. You know, you should 518 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 4: you know, you should build. So I remember sending my 519 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 4: pieces to Instapundent and others and trying to get involved 520 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,360 Speaker 4: in that world because I felt like that was where 521 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,879 Speaker 4: it was going. That's what excited me at least. Yeah. Yeah, 522 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 4: so there's no more Denver Posts. There's like eleven people 523 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 4: work there, so. 524 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 2: They should maybe start blogging. 525 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: Well. I have loved this conversation. I cannot wait to 526 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: read The Rise of Bluing on how the Democrats became 527 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: a party of conspiracy theorists. And here with your best 528 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: tip for my listeners on how they can improve their life. 529 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 4: For young people, I think that the thing they need 530 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 4: to do is get married as early as possible and 531 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 4: have as many kids as possible. I wish I had 532 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: had more children. There's nothing greater in life than doing that. 533 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: And the second thing, though I am in no position 534 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 4: to get people tips about their lives, I think stop 535 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 4: thinking about politics so much. It's just too many people 536 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 4: are too obsessed. I think with what's going on in politics, 537 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: it really doesn't affect your life as much as you think, 538 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,919 Speaker 4: and it just makes people miserable most of the time. 539 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 4: So that would be my small piece of advice to people. 540 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much, David. Loved having you on. 541 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me appreciate it. 542 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marko 543 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.