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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlie. This is all ball.

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Speaker 1: We got a great R two for you by Blacked

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Speaker 1: by popular demand. Max Good, long time head coach at

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Speaker 1: Main Central, head coach at Eastern Kentucky, head coach at

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Speaker 1: un LV, head coach at Bryant, head coach at Lula Merrimouth,

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Speaker 1: will join me. Just love. He's so incredibly entertaining. UM,

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Speaker 1: I want to give you kind of this thought, and

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Speaker 1: this is a random one for you. I was watching

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Speaker 1: the Lakers Mavericks and keep in mind Luca don Chick

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Speaker 1: didn't play. The Mavericks had the game. They're up three,

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Speaker 1: Lebron comes down mrs A three and m MAXI Kleber

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Speaker 1: kind of got pushed by Anthony Davis lost the ball.

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Speaker 1: They end up Lakers get a corner three, make it

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Speaker 1: force overtime and then winning over time. But it was

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Speaker 1: more than Christops. Perzingis was in the area, is far

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Speaker 1: and away the tallest guy and could not secure the rebound.

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Speaker 1: That it's one of those aha moments, like, look, you

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Speaker 1: can't get a rebound with the game on the line

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Speaker 1: up in your seven ft six, Like I really don't know,

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Speaker 1: and it's in your area do not get that basketball.

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Speaker 1: That's a kind of autum down with this sort of thing.

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Speaker 1: I get when you're out shooting threes, it's hard to

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Speaker 1: get in there and board understood. I get that way

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Speaker 1: your frame you're not built for you know, the lower

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Speaker 1: guy and being super rugged. But that's one where's it like,

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Speaker 1: there's just moments where you have that clarity of he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the toughness, the tenacity, the the winning, the

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Speaker 1: competitive desire to do it. That's that's what I see.

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Speaker 1: Um a lot to get to. We'll get some more

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Speaker 1: hoops in a second. First, so let's get to part two. Max. Good.

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Speaker 1: All right, Max, So last time when we last spoke,

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Speaker 1: we had gotten to you as an assistant coach in

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. How did it? How did you get? Take

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Speaker 1: me through the process of when you got the interim

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Speaker 1: job there? Oh, when I got when they let Billy go,

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Speaker 1: which was undeservedly, I will add, I'll go to my

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Speaker 1: grave thinking that they had no probable cause for anything.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh, it went well. I mean, the players

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Speaker 1: liked it until we got to the first practice and

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Speaker 1: then they said can we have a second vote? Wait?

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Speaker 1: So so, but how did it do you remember where

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Speaker 1: you were when did Billy call you or you guys

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Speaker 1: just heard and then who called you in and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be the guy? Like how did it all

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Speaker 1: go down? Well? Yeah, they just they called me in

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Speaker 1: and uh told me I was gonna take over if

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Speaker 1: I wanted to. And they said, what do you want

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Speaker 1: to do about your salary? That's the first thing they

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Speaker 1: hit me with. I said, Hey, I didn't come here

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, don't care. And of course I didn't, but

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Speaker 1: my wife cared doubly so so she was upset with

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Speaker 1: me because you know, they gave they gave me a

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Speaker 1: bump and pay, probably more than I deserved. But I

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Speaker 1: didn't ask for it. But uh, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: a smooth transition because to be honest, Doug, I did

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Speaker 1: a ton of the practice in practice I did. I

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Speaker 1: did a lot more than I should. So what do

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Speaker 1: you what do you say to a team when when

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Speaker 1: their coaches is fired in the season is not done.

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, we had twenty two games to go,

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Speaker 1: and I said, guys, this is the this is the

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Speaker 1: hand we've been given. Uh. They let Billy go and

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Speaker 1: it wasn't fair. I know he recruited you all. You

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Speaker 1: certainly wouldn't have voted for me. But I'm who you got,

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Speaker 1: You're who I've got, and we need to proceed from

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Speaker 1: they came out and they you know, they won. But

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Speaker 1: after the after the game, Doug in the press conference say,

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Speaker 1: they said, coach, what was your you know, what was

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Speaker 1: your feeling about this game? I said, I'll tell you

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Speaker 1: you Billy had talent. Now, those teams had a tough

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Speaker 1: don't know, I just again outsider's perspective, it seems hard

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Speaker 1: There was some of that. There was some of that,

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Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what I uh, I'll take God Like,

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Speaker 1: it came to an end in ironically, we beat Wyoming twice.

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Speaker 1: They won the league that year, and we were the

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Speaker 1: I was selling wolf tickets. I mean, their scholarship included that.

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Speaker 1: That couldn't have happened. I said, I don't care if

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Speaker 1: to school here next semester. Well, obviously they played and

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Speaker 1: he said, Matt, you should get this job. But you're

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a very challenging job, very very challenging. Well,

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Speaker 1: and and for the for the reasons that that you

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Speaker 1: the action. Everybody had a everybody had somebody's ear, you know,

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Speaker 1: three leg at four. He's the doctor Drew. Hell, he's

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Speaker 1: what forty six, forty seven? He told our team when

425
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: he came over and said, Hey, this man made me

426
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 1: millions of dollars. No, I didn't he did? You know?

427
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 1: He was so talented and plus he was left handed

428
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: and hard nosed as hell. And if I'm digressing, that's

429
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: what I do. I'm sorry. Fox Sports Radio has the

430
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433
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Speaker 1: listen live. But remind me what, like what happened through

434
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: you get there? And only three games in Billy Billy leaves. Yeah. Yeah.

435
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: We we go to Iowa States Tournament. We got beat

436
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: the first night and I told him, we're on the

437
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: bench and I put my arm around him. I said, coach,

438
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna go. We're gonna win tonight. And he had

439
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: his eight fingers and two thumbs and and when he

440
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: pulled him out, you could see all the red indentations

441
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: in his face. He'd been squeezing his face there. He said, coach,

442
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: you don't have to bullshit me. We may not win

443
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 1: another game this year. And I said, oh lord, God mercy.

444
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 1: I didn't feel good. And we you know, we lost

445
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: the next day and we come back and he calls

446
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: me on. We had a game on Wednesday. We we

447
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: got in Sunday, We went light on Monday, and then

448
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: pregame on Tuesday. And he comes in Tuesday and said, coach,

449
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to coach this game. Two stair Wednesday

450
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: and we were playing Notre Dame and it was a

451
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: very personal, touching deal where he was deep into his misery.

452
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 1: And I felt so bad that we sat there and

453
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 1: and he might not like me saying this, but we

454
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: both cried. I love Billy Bana. You know, I could

455
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: love Billy Bano. I didn't want to take that job.

456
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: I didn't, but you know, what were they gonna do

457
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: at that point? Go hire somebody else at that point?

458
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: And uh, ironically, we played Notre Dame to like a

459
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: seven point game and they were good. They were good,

460
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: and they went out the next game and I think

461
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: they played the tail off in North Carolina in Hawaii.

462
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: That's how we got him to play, because on the

463
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 1: way to Hawaii they want to stop and get the

464
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: easiest team they could find to play. They had a

465
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: point guard. I can't think of his name. He as

466
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: a white kid, but we held him to nothing, literally nothing.

467
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 1: Now he got thirty eight against North Carolina in the

468
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: first round of the Maui Classic. You mean Kyle McLarney.

469
00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: What was it, Kyle McLarney. I've had him on the pod. Yeah,

470
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: he just got done playing a year or two ago

471
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: overseas played forever and uh Luke hearn Godie, yeah, Herron Godie, right, well, yes,

472
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: what we go to Notre Dame not the next year,

473
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 1: two years later, and we beat Notre Dame. They had

474
00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: won fifty eight straight games at home and we beat

475
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: him at third place. Now. We also while I was there,

476
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: we beat Southern Cow. We beat U C l A.

477
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: And you talk about you know, they're panas eight five

478
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 1: eighty thousand. Hell, we could even get French fries with

479
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: our McDonald's burgers because we didn't have to fly. We

480
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: just took vans across town and uh, but are one

481
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: of our best wins was we beat St. Louis. Rick

482
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: mcgaras was there and St. Louis had just one in

483
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: uh oh gosh, and they played in that tournament in California.

484
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 1: Oh they beat Oklahoma. Ok yeah, anah yeah, and we

485
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: beat them. And that I'm in my office and next

486
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: day and a writer from the Los Angeles Times or

487
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: whatever the news comes in and he said, coach, I

488
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: didn't call because I was afraid you'd say you don't

489
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: have time, But he said, I want you to know.

490
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: Rick mccherris said your team played the best defense of

491
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: any team he had ever played against against them, and

492
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: I said, well, I appreciate that, but understand this. The

493
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: way we played. We would contact, show on side, screen

494
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: and roll and instead of lifting their wing out of

495
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: the corner in the big role in the wing would

496
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: go to go to the corner. Sprint to the corner,

497
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: and the guard would empty out and we would face

498
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: almost like a defensive back in football, where our back

499
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: was to the ball. I didn't care if they went

500
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: back door, but we would face guard and run to

501
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: the corner. And if they threw the ball, if they

502
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: didn't make the perfect pass, it would hit us in

503
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: the back. And their biggs could really shoot the ball.

504
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: They had two or three bigs that could really make threes. Well,

505
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 1: the idea for that was Jason Levy. I know, you know,

506
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: Jason Leavy, you're he loved your dad, loved your dad,

507
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: He loved it. He said he would go to your

508
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: house and sit in your dad's chair and your dad

509
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: and say, no, Jason, you know better than that, get

510
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: your ass up out of that chair. He'd do it

511
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 1: just irritating you know. He well, you know, temporarily he

512
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: wasn't really trying to, but but he loved your dad.

513
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: And uh So, anyway, I told both that, I said

514
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: that was Jason Levi's idea. To defend that that way,

515
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: I said I had to sign off on it, but

516
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything else. You know, if you trapped

517
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: the guards, you know, and they do slip the ball

518
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: to the corner with that guard leaving out running out.

519
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: I mean, there's almost no help. And then it's a

520
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: field day. They're gonna decide do we drive and lay

521
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 1: it in or do we you know, make a three.

522
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: And he said, well, coach, I'm gonna tell you this.

523
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 1: He said, if there's like three hundred and twenty Division

524
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: one schools, he said, I don't know that there's five

525
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: coaches in the country that would say that. I said, well,

526
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: of course I would say that that was mine. See,

527
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I really believe in honesty, and I don't mean to be,

528
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, holier than I, as you said or but

529
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: and so the next day the articles Arena no mention

530
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: that Jason Levy. So I called the guy that wrote

531
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: the story and I said, you didn't mention Jason Leavey.

532
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: He said, well, Coach, it wouldn't have been as an

533
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: entering a story. I said, it's been a lot more honest,

534
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: it had been more pruthful. And he said, well, what

535
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: difference does it make? I said, A big difference. You know,

536
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: if he's got that on his resume, that he came

537
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: up with the defense to you know, to to to

538
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: not not necessarily to beat, but at least at that

539
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 1: point we're thinking slow down. You know. It was huge

540
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 1: to Jason and uh I was really upset that they

541
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't give him his proper credit. Um So, the yearb

542
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, you guys won twenty one games. The next

543
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: year you had a fourteen game losing streak. Like what happened? How?

544
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: Why was it so hard to keep it going there? Well?

545
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: Because we had so many injuries and I'm not hey,

546
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: we lost two starters. They came to an early practice

547
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: one of Sunday and it was really foggy. It was

548
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: really foggy, and they made a turn and a car

549
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: crashed into him. It wasn't their fault, but that didn't

550
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: change the fact that they were injured. We lost our

551
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: starting to guard days egg Miami, and then we lost

552
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: our post player who played at Finly Prett was a

553
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,560
Speaker 1: really good player, and we lost both of them for

554
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: most of the year, and we were just hurt with

555
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: injury upon injury upon injury. And I had Vernon Tiel

556
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: who vern was a good player, but I'm not talking

557
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 1: behind his back. I have told him as within the

558
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: last year he was the biggest pain in the ass

559
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: I ever coached, and but he would be good. But

560
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: he was so stubborn and strong will Like when we

561
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: beat Notre Dame. You know they played with two posts

562
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: high post on the elbows and then they had wings

563
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: on the corners. Well, they throw the ball to Hair

564
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: and Gotti on the on the right elbow, and on

565
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: the flight of the ball, Vernon would take off and

566
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,760
Speaker 1: step out and uh steal the ball right off his shoulder.

567
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: He went down later in four times in that game

568
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: eight points, nobody gardening. And I told him before the aim,

569
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: I said, I'm telling you one thing, you crazy shamble bitch.

570
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: If you leave out of that corner and go gambling

571
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: for that ball, if it if we get beat on

572
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: that play, your asses coming out and you won't play

573
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: for five games. Well, I'm stubborn, but I didn't hold

574
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: it against him. When we got eight points with you know,

575
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 1: off passes to Heroon Gootty where they never even touched

576
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 1: Aaron got his hands, he got them on the fly.

577
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: But you know you one of my mentors was Guys Frong.

578
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: He always said, I don't mind a guy giving me

579
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: a headache as long as he gives our opponents Migraines.

580
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: Well vernont heal gave Notre Dame Migraines something right, Um,

581
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: how did it end? You get done? It's it's two

582
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. How did the end is going to be? Well?

583
00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: You and l that's sorry? Well, I'm the post conference

584
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: and we went over there and Doug. Every year, I'll

585
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: tell you this two things. Every team I ever took over,

586
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: we were much better than when I found it. And

587
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: I attribute that to having kids that didn't mind to

588
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: be worked hard and and did work hard. And I

589
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: we went to the West Coast Conference one year we

590
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: won three games. We were not favored in any of them.

591
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: We won three straight. And I'd always tell him packed

592
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: for four nights. Pack enough stuff too, so you will

593
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: be over there four nights. And I'll tell you what

594
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 1: that one year. Did you ever see the movie cool

595
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: Hand Luke? Remember when he got in the fight with Kennedy.

596
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: I can't think of his name, the big heavy, blonde guy.

597
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 1: He got the fight out on the lot and he uh, I.

598
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 1: I just showed him this tape, bought a two minute

599
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: clip where he's fighting, and he told him, FINDING said,

600
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: stay down, Luke, stay down. He didn't want to hit

601
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,720
Speaker 1: him anymore. Well, so he picks him up. And while

602
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: he's picking him up, and Luke takes his right arm

603
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: with a big loop and tries to hit him. You know,

604
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: while he's been he's barely you know, alive. But the

605
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: point was well taken. You know, no matter how bad

606
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: things are, you gotta keep fighting. See, I'd rather get

607
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: beat by fifty points and fifty one. Every point is valuable.

608
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's such a thing as garbage time.

609
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: There's garbage players. I don't think there's any such thing

610
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: as garbage time. I think you compete until the buzzer

611
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: goes off. I don't know if you ever saw one

612
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: crom Butlers started to shake somebody's hand, they reached their

613
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: hand out, he stole the ball, went down, laided in.

614
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: I was at that game. He got criticized, he said afterwards,

615
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 1: he said, I knew coach good to race. Hele if

616
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: I didn't keep playing, And you know, the opponent might

617
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 1: not like it, but who cares what they like. I'm

618
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 1: not responsible for another team. When I'm at Eastern Kentucky, Doug,

619
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back. We played Western Kentucky. I had

620
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: five starters that come to find out, they were three

621
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: minutes early. But to me, early is ten to fifteen minutes.

622
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna quibble over tim or fifteen. Well, they

623
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: were three minutes early, but the clock and the student

624
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria where they're eating was wrong. It said

625
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: it was like quarter of and it wasn't. It was

626
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: like about five of. When they get there, we're gone.

627
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: We go down there without five starters and we don't

628
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 1: practice because are you know, I'm afraid they'd die of hypothermia.

629
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: Uh you know, and I didn't want them to know. Well,

630
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: so we played Western the next night, and that was

631
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: before the shop clock. We held the ball for about

632
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: three minutes and finally got a wiggled for a lap.

633
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: The kid wedged that he was was a walk on.

634
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:05,439
Speaker 1: He weds the ball. Well, we get beat soundly when

635
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: I get back there on the steps, and I told

636
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: them they'd better be there. They were in the gym

637
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: and there was a crew filming them. They're running the

638
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: steps at like two in the morning. So you didn't

639
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: did you tell? Did you make it run the steps

640
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: or did they know? I told him when we hit there,

641
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: they better be on those steps and I get a letter.

642
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I get two letters from Western fans excoriating me because

643
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 1: they paid such and such a money and you know,

644
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: for parking tickets, eating to go watch a sham of

645
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: a game, and we got beat by thirty probably should

646
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: have got beat by fifty, but it didn't make it. Well,

647
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: it did make a difference to me. I'd rather get

648
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: beat by thirty and thirty one. But anyway, one of them,

649
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: I looked them up. I had to get their address.

650
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: They didn't put their return address on them. I wrote

651
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: both of them and I said, listen, I've checked my

652
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: contract thoroughly, and nowhere in my contract doesn't say I

653
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 1: got to appease Western Kentucky fans. I don't answer to

654
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: you all. I answered the five players that were late,

655
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: and I can promise you after that the latest they

656
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: ever were, and this was a preseason game. After that

657
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: they were, you know, the latest it would be about

658
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: a half hour early. Um. You know, I think too

659
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: many coaches coach to appease too many people. And I

660
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: guess with the salaries you're getting, you know, you gotta

661
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: protect them. People want to know why there's so much

662
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: stuff going on in Big Time basketball. Well, of course

663
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: they they've legislated it now, so it's you know, it's

664
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: the wild wild West now. They couldn't really they could,

665
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: but they didn't really deal with cheating. They knew they couldn't.

666
00:40:58,120 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: They know it was out of hand, so they just

667
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: said it was okay to do it. You know, how

668
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: do you cheat now? How do you cheat now? With

669
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: the rules? I think, he said, I think it's like

670
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: legalized cheating. Is name a name likeness? Yeah? And and

671
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: see to me, we had a kid that uh u

672
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: n l V. We went to the n C Double A.

673
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: We won twenty five games, and he he was married

674
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: and somebody gave him a used box spring and mattress

675
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: and he didn't get to play in the n C

676
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 1: Double Air the first eight games. The next year, the

677
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: coach from the University of Main, John g and Needy,

678
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 1: called me and said, God, I pray they don't ever

679
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: come to the University of Main. You know, if a

680
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: kid's married and she they had two children, to give

681
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,399
Speaker 1: it to buy him a box spring in the matter

682
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: they were used. I agree, I agree with you. You

683
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 1: need to tell me there was nothing else going on

684
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: at UNLB Oh, I mean that may be illegal, but

685
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: to not help a kid in that situation, So I

686
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: I agree with you in that situation, that's ridiculous. That's

687
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 1: where the n C looks looks foolish. But it always

688
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: felt like there was other that that. That's why it

689
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: was hard to coach U n l V. Which is like,

690
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: you don't even you don't even have to saving anybody.

691
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: You know that that town wants to help the rebels

692
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: out right, Well, I think, did I tell you last

693
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: time about Casper's Gambala paying for a meal for with

694
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 1: a hundred dollar bill? No? Okay, Well, he's he goes

695
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: out and he's married, and they eat and he he

696
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: pays with a hundred dollar bill to pay for the meal.

697
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 1: And of course some somebody was there, and they called

698
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 1: all the TV stations and told them, and they wanted

699
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: to know what I was gonna do. I said, I'm

700
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 1: not doing a damn thing. His wife has a job,

701
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: she had a full time job. I said, I don't

702
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: know where he got that money. I damn sure didn't

703
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: give it to him, because if somebody gave him a

704
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, he was being overpaid. And they wanted me

705
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: to not play him the next game. I said, no,

706
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. I don't have any proof that

707
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: there was anything funny going on. I mean, how how

708
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: much are you going to get in everybody's business? And

709
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: you know there were people right in our own town

710
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:25,439
Speaker 1: that didn't you know, there are people moving in there

711
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: from all over the place that didn't want you and LV.

712
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: For all the boosters they had that wanted to help

713
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 1: you and LV, there were certain that there was certain

714
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: a segment that probably didn't want him to, you know,

715
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 1: to have success. What am I gonna do? Call him in,

716
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: give him a lie detector? Asked him where he got

717
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: the hundred dollar bill in a town that's full of

718
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 1: hundred dollar bills? Question? I slept well with that one.

719
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: I didn't so okay, So about did you know it

720
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: was over? It was a surprise, like, how did it?

721
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: How did that? What? Uh? Oh? Yeah? We had all

722
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: those injuries and we won two games in the tournament.

723
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: And I'll never forget because Leo Papel. Have you heard

724
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:16,839
Speaker 1: of Leo Pappeel? Oh, one of my heroes. I love

725
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: Leo Pappeel. We got into New England Hall of Fame together.

726
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: I was so proud, not to be in the Hall

727
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: of Fame, but to be with him. I love Leo,

728
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: one of the last of the Mohicans. But he uh,

729
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: you know, he's in the press conference and and uh

730
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: our a d They asked him about my situation. We said, well,

731
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: what do you think. He said, I think if we

732
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: had had all our players and that had all these

733
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: injuries this year, we'd be playing Gonzaga on Tuesday. I

734
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: think it was like a Saturday, and maybe it was Monday.

735
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: I don't remember the day. I know there was an

736
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: off day because of b y U and you know

737
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: on Sunday. Yeah, and he said, I think we'd have

738
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: been in the finals. Well, I get back to I

739
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,280
Speaker 1: get back to u n l V and he calls

740
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: me in and said he's not gonna And Tommy Abeta

741
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: Marco had told me this. And I know you've heard

742
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: of Tommy Abeta Marco my brother. Oh, incredible recruiter. He

743
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: had two players. We had two players at l m

744
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: U that were made the All Freshman team. Gabe Levin,

745
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:28,879
Speaker 1: who's the hell of a player. He went to Long

746
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: Beach State, got a Player of the Year his senior year,

747
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 1: and uh, we had I can't even think of his

748
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: damn name because I'm worried about getting it out here

749
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: because of the time. But we had a guard who

750
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: averaged seventeen is a freshman. Those are the kind of

751
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,759
Speaker 1: freshman they hadn't had at l m U in a while. Well,

752
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: then we signed you know, Tommy Abeta, Marco signed Isaiah

753
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Stewart who went to USC It's still got the most

754
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: threes in their history. And we had Kiran Cartwright from

755
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: Compton who made all big East sat providences last couple

756
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 1: of years. Let us do Those two guys would have been,

757
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, all conference players in the West Coast Conference,

758
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: probably as early as their sophomore year. And then mikel

759
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 1: that we had. They had a kid that when Mike

760
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,839
Speaker 1: Show went to Long Beach State, he had a kid

761
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: from Maryland that came and he ended up being the

762
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: player of the year in in that league. He was

763
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,759
Speaker 1: a transfer for Maryland. He averaged over twenty a game.

764
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:36,959
Speaker 1: We'd have had those five guys, and Mark You called

765
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: me and he said, God, he said, you all were

766
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: really gonna be good. I said, well, time will tell

767
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 1: you not time would tell. But you know he's he's

768
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: saying that about me. And then on Tuesday calls me

769
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: and tells me he's not gonna. They're not gonna. They

770
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: didn't fire me, but they weren't gonna renew and renew

771
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: my contract. So it's a matter of semantics. Of course,

772
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: they fired me. And I had heard Tommy Abada Marco

773
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: told me that they had been pursuing Mike Dunlin and

774
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: I told the A d Bill Husack, God blessing. I said,

775
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: if this is what Jesuits do, I'm damn sure. I'm

776
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: glad I'm not a Jesuit. And I said for you

777
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 1: to do this, I said, I'm gonna tell you this

778
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 1: quick story. When I was at you, I told him

779
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: that I said, I'm at U. N LB and Rhode

780
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: Island called me about their job and they asked me.

781
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: I said, well, don't you have a coach? And they

782
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: said yeah, but I said no, no, no, do you

783
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: have a coach? Yes? But I said no, If and

784
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: when you don't have a coach and you have an

785
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: opening and you're going to continue the basketball program, I

786
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: would be interested because I'm from New England and I

787
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: had Katina Mobile and Luther Clay and Shawn Coltson. I

788
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 1: had three different players that played for RODA. But I said,

789
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: as long as you've got a coach, I'm not interestant.

790
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: And I said, apparently the Jesuit don't. Jesuits don't feel

791
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 1: the same way. Well, he you know, he had already

792
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: had the job, you know, And and you know, I

793
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: don't know some of these people. I just it bothers

794
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:28,919
Speaker 1: my mind the things they will do. Um is being

795
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: critical of him. I am with critical of that, not

796
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: not the decision, but how it came about. So we

797
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 1: talked a little bit about Pratt. So now, how much

798
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,839
Speaker 1: do you miss it? Like? What what this has been

799
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: your entire life? Well, I thought I would really miss it,

800
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: but I came and I've become addicted to the Celtics,

801
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 1: and of course I watched every game for beginning then

802
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: and I fume, and you know, get get excited, and

803
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: you know, and I get so mad. And I'm gonna

804
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: say this. I think Jason Tatum is a really, really

805
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: good talent. But I'm not sure he wouldn't rather get

806
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 1: thirty four and lose and get fifteen and win. And

807
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 1: I said that in a tweet, and several people have

808
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: picked up on that that may be totally unfair to him.

809
00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: But you know, when they really need baskets, and I

810
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: wish you'd just lower his head and go get on

811
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: the file line or you know, make the official make

812
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: a call, and he cries on every call, he'll veer

813
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: off and getting the official's face and you know it

814
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: won't get back on defense and they'll you know, they'll

815
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: score that up because he's not back. And but but

816
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,640
Speaker 1: I do like the other night they played beautifully. They

817
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,200
Speaker 1: played beautifully their team. I mean they shared the ball.

818
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: I think they had like thirty twenty sister or something.

819
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's enough. I thought i'd miss it, and

820
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: I really don't and do. I couldn't coach today. You know,

821
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 1: Bill Husac did say this, he wanted us to put

822
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:29,319
Speaker 1: chairs out on the floor at l m U. I said,

823
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Goddamn Red Araback didn't need to

824
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: do that. And I know he's thinking, well, Red Airback

825
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: retired nineteen twelve, and I'm exaggerated. When when you say

826
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: chairs out the floor, what do you mean? Well, you

827
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: know in time outs to put those little chairs to

828
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 1: take your team. Well, he said, coach, the Jesuits don't

829
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: understand that to you a cocksucker and a motherfucker is

830
00:50:55,239 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 1: a term of endearment. And I'll tell you what. We're

831
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: over at the West Coast Conference tournament, Doug, and I've

832
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: got a kid, Taylor Walker, who was a walk on,

833
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: but he was damn good. I mean, he probably was

834
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: a borderline scholarship, like third or fourth guard, tough, strong. Well,

835
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:19,800
Speaker 1: we're in a time I would and I had railed

836
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: on him so badly that people were in the ends

837
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: on straining to hear everything I said. I finally said,

838
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: I said, Taylor, will you tell these copsuckers about themselves?

839
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: I'm worn out. Well, he proceeded to go off, and

840
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: I'll profane me for a full minute to the point

841
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: that hell I was, I was p you know, I

842
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: was contact and psychiatrists so they could get therapy after

843
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: the game. I mean, I've never heard anybody go off

844
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: on players like that as bad as he did. Now,

845
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: of course they didn't mind it because it came from him.

846
00:51:56,440 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: You know, it came from him. I said, Oh lord,

847
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: am I that bad? They said, I'm worse. Well, I said,

848
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: you know that's diabolical. I told him, I said, Taylor,

849
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you probably shouldn't have said it,

850
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: but I tell you, we went on a run and

851
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: we started, you know, we got right back in the

852
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: game because he got on them so hard. You know,

853
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 1: they were sick to me. Said, you're the best player

854
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: you've ever evaluated. The other what best player you've ever evaluated?

855
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: You went and saw a kid like best you evaluated

856
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: Antonio Paris, The kid, I said, is the most talented

857
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: player ever had. My assistant coach, John Ferguson, had gone

858
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,240
Speaker 1: to Middle Tennessee with a guy that was the UH

859
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: academic advisor at a high school Brainerd I think it

860
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: was in Chattanooga, Tennessee, and he called Johnny said, John,

861
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: the kid's never gone to any camps and he's I'm

862
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: telling you, he said, he is a big time player. Well,

863
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: John calls me one night, you know, he's at a

864
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: game in near Knoxville, Tennessee, which was about, you know,

865
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: at least four hours from Richmond. He said, coach, you

866
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: need to come down to this game. And I said,

867
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: can you get a tape of it? He said, no, coach,

868
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: you need to come down, you know, because it's like

869
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: two in the afternoon when he tells me this. So

870
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: I got down there and I'm watching in warmups Doug

871
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: and I watched the first guy, the second guy, the

872
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: third guy, the fourth cup. He jumped so high and

873
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: let go of the ball. It seemed like he was

874
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: afoot over the square and the ball floated and took

875
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,840
Speaker 1: forever to get there. I had never seen anybody jump

876
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: that high. He's a kid I talked about the last time. Well,

877
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: he gets thirty seven points in the game and he

878
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: gets a tip in or he put back from the

879
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: file line. He's running from the left wing. Ball bounces

880
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: to the you know they're down. One bounces to the

881
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: file line, he catches it, jumps in the air while

882
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: the balls in the air, and makes it. Now, he visited,

883
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:15,120
Speaker 1: like I said, Cincinnati in Illinois, and he's the most

884
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: talented player I've ever had. God bless Coron Butler, God

885
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: blessed Damara Johnson, God blessed Katina Mobli, god Buss Brad Miller,

886
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: and on and on. I had j had Johnny Rhodes

887
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: who played in Maryland, who was a fantastic player with

888
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: incredible field. He and here's the irony. He and Jeron

889
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: Brown didn't have their test score and they had the

890
00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: best feel and best basketball like you, of any two

891
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:47,360
Speaker 1: players I ever had. And Eric Berkley was a monster

892
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 1: at m c I. He had fifty one and forty

893
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: eight and back to back games against Winstington they had

894
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: twelve Division one players. But Tony Parris was was the

895
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,879
Speaker 1: best player came from. You know, do we want him

896
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: to can we get him? And of course he came

897
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: and he scored like sevent points and missed the biggest

898
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: part of the sophomore years over twenty a game. I

899
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: still talked to him. He's you know he's diseased. You

900
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: know he's got a disease. And I talked to him.

901
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: He said, you loved me, didn't you, Tony? I said, no,

902
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: I hated your ass. You wouldn't guard anybody. He'd laugh,

903
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: and he'd said, how many you'd always call me a

904
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: song a bitch, wouldn't you? I said, yeah, pretty pretty readily,

905
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: and he'll laugh And he said I could have been

906
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 1: good defensively. I said, yeah, that was the problem. You

907
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: shortly could have been should have been a fifteen year

908
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: NBA All Star. He was that talented. What what's the

909
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 1: worst Jim You've ever coached him? In one of those

910
00:55:52,920 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: nap sections, knapsack, Notre Dame, Notre Dame Academy, and who's

911
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 1: the big Adams? Steven Adams played there. They've had some

912
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:10,640
Speaker 1: really good players there. Oh that Jim was awful, just awful.

913
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: And we Doug. We were two nine and we had

914
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: to play at least four fists if not slightly more.

915
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: Uh in a way, because we were in up in Maine.

916
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 1: It was a long trip. Plus people knew they probably

917
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 1: weren't going to go home with a smile, you know after,

918
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: because we were good. But Notre Dame Prep had the

919
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: worst gym I've ever in the knapsack. Are you talking

920
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: about the nest cack or the napsack? You tell me, well,

921
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're talking about college or prep

922
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: school if you're talking about Oh yeah, yeah, it was

923
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame, Notre Dame. And they were good. I mean

924
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 1: they had good players. And hey, at halftime, I said

925
00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: to Jimp they had had a kid. I can't think

926
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: his last name, Johnny. Uh anyway, I said, Johnny, where

927
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: did you get these damn officials? I said, God, damn.

928
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: I mean, we're at least will come play you here.

929
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: Nobody else would go play him there and come to

930
00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 1: find out, I said, is he living with you? Guess

931
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 1: what he was? The kid had been been separated from

932
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: his wife and he was living in the in the

933
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: dorm at Notre Dame Prett with Johnny Johnny Kelly. Johnny

934
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: Kelly face turned redder a spank baby's ass when I

935
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: said that to him. You know, because we won the

936
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: second half, but I mean, it was awful the first half.

937
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: And I didn't get on officials, not at m c

938
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I because they all thought they weren't capable of making

939
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: a mistake or doing something wrong. You know, I don't

940
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: know remember ever saying a word to an official. Get

941
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: on our players. I'll tell you what. I'm at Bryant

942
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: and I'm being interviewed. And after I was interviewed, we

943
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:15,520
Speaker 1: had a kid named Eric. Oh gosh, I can't think

944
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: of his last name. But anyway, afterwards, Mike Williams, our

945
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 1: big six eleventh center who was very good. He said, Eric, well,

946
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: what's the problem. He said, boys, you better hope that

947
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: damn plane goes down. Going back to Vegas, he said

948
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: he played at New Hampton. He said he jumped his

949
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,520
Speaker 1: player so hard he had us pissing. Our pants. He said,

950
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: you would not believe how we talked to his players,

951
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: and he said, intimidated the ship out of them. And

952
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: they had a red headed guard that went to Indiana.

953
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 1: They had and I mean New Hampton had. They had that.

954
00:58:54,240 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 1: The kid his dad owns Denver Nuggets and they runs

955
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 1: a Nuggas. Now, yeah, that that that kid could really

956
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: shoot the ball. He Hey, he visited his mom and

957
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: dad came and I told him I didn't know if

958
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: he'd make the travel squad. Now, you know, he had

959
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: enough money to buy all in New England and probably

960
00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: Pensylvania in New York. And I told him I didn't

961
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: know if he'd make the travel squad. He'd have to,

962
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: you know. They said, what did I see for sea?

963
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:32,440
Speaker 1: For him? I said, I've never seen him play. Yeah,

964
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: and he could really shoot the basketball. I think he

965
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: went to Missouri. Yeah, well, he could have played for US.

966
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: He wouldn't have started, but he could have played for US.

967
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: I've had to track my foot from my mouth several times,

968
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: and it comes out a little tougher and than it

969
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: goes in my mouth. If you could change one thing

970
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 1: about your coaching crew, it would it be I'd have

971
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: had more patients and more poise. It was rare. I

972
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 1: came over at a time out, thinking, turn the page,

973
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: get onto the next play. I would want my pound

974
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 1: of flesh. And every time for somebody had screwed up,

975
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: you know, and they knew they'd screwed up. They knew

976
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: more than anybody I was. I was unreasonable, I think,

977
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, in my different levels of basketball, you know,

978
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: I've won a lot of games, but I think we

979
01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 1: could have won at least a hundred more and had

980
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: a hundred fewer defeats. But that wasn't my personality. It

981
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: still isn't. And you know I have players thanking me constantly,

982
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean constantly, Doug. It's amazing, and it's the ones

983
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: I've gotten on the most. But if I had it

984
01:00:59,080 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: to do over, I'd show more poise and patience and

985
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: not get on them so hard, especially during the game.

986
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: You know, I'd leave him alone more in the game.

987
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 1: And I left them alone on the floor. I didn't

988
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,640
Speaker 1: try to, you know, choreograph everything they did on the floors.

989
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 1: Just during time outs. I'd get after them something when

990
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: you would, uh, how do you how do you have

991
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 1: such a good relation? I think that's what what people

992
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: would ask to be your mother. Like my other yourn accounts,

993
01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: you motherfucked guys and got onto them. How do you?

994
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: How do you build the relationships so that they they

995
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: don't listen to the actual words, They listen to what

996
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: you're saying, like how how how is that built? They

997
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: know I'm honest, they know you know. They'll tell me

998
01:01:48,880 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm a real one. Whatever the hell a real one is.

999
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,280
Speaker 1: I guess if that's warm and breathing, I'm a real one.

1000
01:01:55,280 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: But they will spot aphony. And they appreciated to getting better.

1001
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 1: They knew they got better. Like I had a kid

1002
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: from New Jersey. He came in, he said, Coach, can

1003
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 1: I play at Rutgers? I said, oh yeah, they have

1004
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 1: a noon pickup game every day. You can't play four Rutgers,

1005
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 1: but you can play at Rutgers and noon pickup. And

1006
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: he ended up going to a Division three school in

1007
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: New Jersey and had a really good career. You know,

1008
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,280
Speaker 1: I think the more honest you are with kids. When

1009
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 1: I had Brad Miller, I had people asking me, where

1010
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: do you think is he a Division one player? I said,

1011
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: have you lost your mind? I said, he'll be a

1012
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: fifteen year NBA player. Well, I was off by one.

1013
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: I think he was sixteen. You know, they really didn't

1014
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: seem the value of his i Q and as a

1015
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: passing ability in and his toughness and his positioning and

1016
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 1: you know he could, you know, he could really shoot.

1017
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: But you know, I think you've got to be able

1018
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:04,479
Speaker 1: to evaluate players. But you know, can you make them cover? Yeah?

1019
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:09,840
Speaker 1: I know I've made kids stuffer. We're Bryant one day

1020
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: and I didn't like we beat a team, but I

1021
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: didn't like the way it happened. And we're gonna we're

1022
01:03:13,640 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: leaving the next day. They were going home for Thanksgiving. Well,

1023
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,120
Speaker 1: I called practice that day they were going home for Thanksgiving,

1024
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,200
Speaker 1: and I swear to God, we'd stand. I'd stand at

1025
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: mid court and roll the ball across the court and

1026
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 1: two guys that have to run from the baseline, dive,

1027
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: get the ball, get up, and then play one on

1028
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:38,120
Speaker 1: one to the you know, to to whatever basket, depending

1029
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: on which one got at whatever basket, they play one

1030
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,439
Speaker 1: on one. If they didn't block out, I didn't mind.

1031
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: If they didn't score, if they hollered, shocked, if they

1032
01:03:46,560 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: contested with the left hand on the right hand shooter,

1033
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: which you see all the time guys trying to block

1034
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 1: shots with the right hand. On the right hand shooter.

1035
01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: You lose about eight inches in length reach when you

1036
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: do that. But we we did that, and at the

1037
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: end of that practice, I'm glad they had four or

1038
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:08,080
Speaker 1: five days. We couldn't have played the next day because

1039
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: we were so beat up and bloody. And I used

1040
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: to tell the trainer, don't you come out on the floor.

1041
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,640
Speaker 1: Every place I've been, I didn't want the trainer out

1042
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,240
Speaker 1: there because then they go running to him every time

1043
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: they get a thumbnail, you know, every time they have

1044
01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: a cuticle, uh bleeding slightly and uh. We're sitting there

1045
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: in the gym afterwards, and I was drained because I

1046
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: worked my ass off in practice. I mean I was constant,

1047
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I was, you know, just super

1048
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: anal about getting on him for everything. And I was

1049
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: worn out. I'm sitting we gotta walk on Jimmy Choquette.

1050
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: He's leaving and he has got a bandage on his

1051
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:56,120
Speaker 1: arm and a big band aid on a part of

1052
01:04:56,160 --> 01:05:00,640
Speaker 1: his head, and he said, coach, have a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: That's the greatest practice I've ever been a part of. Well,

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Speaker 1: I looked at my assistance, I said, can you believe

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Speaker 1: this ship? I just could have got arrested and thrown

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Speaker 1: in jail for what I just did. And this song

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Speaker 1: of them, it just thinks it's the greatest practice he

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01:05:18,160 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 1: ever had, because I think down deep, people want to compete.

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01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: Hey call and call, Andrey Williams called himarraw, Johnson call,

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01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,400
Speaker 1: come on, Butler called continum, will call. Any of them

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01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: called guys that didn't even play. I had a kid

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Speaker 1: ad doing him. Acpherson is the only kid that came

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Speaker 1: down see I that I didn't even know he was coming.

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01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he didn't apply through me, he didn't come.

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Speaker 1: He just showed up at the gym and ship I

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Speaker 1: go to practice that day. When I left, I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the other four starters are, but

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Speaker 1: I have Doling mc ferson is going to start. And

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Speaker 1: he told me just he just wished me marry Christmas. Well,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't say this, but I'm going because I'm all

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01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: the same thing. I said, Fuck Christmas. I don't care

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Speaker 1: about Christmas, and obviously I do. They expect me to

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01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,640
Speaker 1: say stuff like that. He said, That's why I always

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Speaker 1: loved you. You the craziest som bitch I ever knew,

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Speaker 1: and I got to play for you. But some down

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01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 1: deep in some kids, I think they really like going

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01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,760
Speaker 1: places that they can't take themselves. There's an old football

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 1: coach at Michigan said, discipline is really taking a kid

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Speaker 1: where he can't take himself, you know. And very few

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01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: people are self starters like Michael Jordan's and he's a psychopath.

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01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: I think that's why he's the best that ever played.

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01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 1: Kobe had a lot of that. But I think kids

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01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: love being made to fight. And I mean we would

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01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,480
Speaker 1: do at least three toughness drills every day and practice

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01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: at least three. I picked up some of them. Coach something,

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01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: you know, I if and when I was at m C,

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01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: I if somebody popped out or went out to the

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01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 1: wing and caught the ball, I took him out of

1089
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: the game. The defender. You had to force him back door.

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01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: You're asked and played well. Coach Sutton used to run

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01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: through on the niles. You know that. Yes, we used

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01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:18,000
Speaker 1: to practice. That's hell. He warm up every day is

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01:07:18,040 --> 01:07:21,640
Speaker 1: practice running through. He'd get He'd get the ball with

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01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: the hand closest to the defender, not the hand where

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01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:31,280
Speaker 1: he's denying. I started doing that. I got that from him.

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01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: Hell you're never too old to learn. And uh, I

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01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 1: love coach Sutton. He came up to m c I

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01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you what. He brought a box that

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: had like twelve rings in it from place you know,

1100
01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: from Southern Night, oh and Creighton and wherever he'd all been.

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01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:51,960
Speaker 1: But I loved Coach Sutton. He just opened that box

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Speaker 1: and I wish you'd seen their eyes pop when they

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01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: looked at those rings. He didn't have to say anything.

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Speaker 1: You know that that that that authenticated him, and of

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01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: course you know him really really well. Absolutely, um, I

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01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 1: love Sean. Sean came once and Larry Shyatt was with

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01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: Providence and Sean Sutton was there. He said, Coach, go

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01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: tell Sean he committed to Providence. I said, no, I

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01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: can't do that. I said, he's tighter than a snare

1110
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: drama and he's I said, hell, he made die of

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01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: a heart attack. He said, no, telling, telling, telling. I said,

1112
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,920
Speaker 1: will you be there to catch him if he falls?

1113
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 1: And of course he end up going to Purdue, which

1114
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: I felt he would go to Purdue anyway, but I

1115
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: had people want to know if he was a Division

1116
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:48,560
Speaker 1: one player. I guess the NBA's Division one isn't it

1117
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:51,040
Speaker 1: it is? It is the it is the high high

1118
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: high highest of high major. Well, my good friend in

1119
01:08:55,160 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: Kentucky Allays said, well, he'll play in those bigger towns

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Speaker 1: someday and football, what do they say he'll play on

1121
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:05,720
Speaker 1: Sundays in basketball? He said, yeah, that ball playing them

1122
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Speaker 1: bigger towns. Yeah, I've heard his sneakers squeak different. That's

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Speaker 1: one of my my my favorite ones. Oh yeah, oh absolutely, Well, Max,

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Speaker 1: I can't say I appreciate your time and you did

1125
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Speaker 1: not appreciate you. I hope I didn't cost you your job.

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: You do not. Hey, if I did, you'll get a

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01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 1: better one Somewhay. You've gotta look at it. Do We're

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Speaker 1: gonna wait till the next big Celtics game, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll do it after the Celtics game and you can

1130
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 1: just let her rip about the Celtics. Hey, I'll be

1131
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,800
Speaker 1: on as much as you're foolish enough to have me.

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Speaker 1: You're the best. Max. I appreciate you joining me and

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01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,439
Speaker 1: thanks for being my guest. Thank you, DoD love you

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01:09:48,760 --> 01:09:53,120
Speaker 1: love you too. See you did I tell you that

1135
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: guy is entertaining. It's amazing. I just feel so enlightened

1136
01:09:57,240 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: and so enjoyable. And that's what like the old cry

1137
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: Steve basketball coach kind of sounds like really really sounds

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01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,439
Speaker 1: like reminded. The Doug out Them Show is daily three

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Speaker 1: to six Eastern twelve to three pacifica on I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio app, Fox Sports Radio dot Com, or Fox Sports

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Speaker 1: Radio Series X seventeen two or three. You can download

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Speaker 1: the podcast as well. Follow me on Facebook at Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 1: We're on Twitter or on Instagrams are all I've got

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Speaker 1: live show. In the meantime, Rex Walters is upcoming next.

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Speaker 1: That's my next guest the meantime. Hope you enjoyed Max Good.

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Speaker 1: I'm Doug Gotler. This is All Ball