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Speaker 1: Episode Three Sixty Four, Ronnie done from Brooks and Dune,

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Speaker 1: the lead singer of Brooks and done also solo artist,

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Speaker 1: new album, a hundred proof neon, fifth solo album, and

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Speaker 1: we will talk about all of that. This is the

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Speaker 1: rare time we recorded the intro before we do the interview.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, be sure to listen for this, be

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Speaker 1: sure to listen for that, but I've had Ronnie on

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Speaker 1: the radio show a few times. The great thing about this,

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Speaker 1: what I'm looking forward to the most about this interview

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Speaker 1: is that we just haven't really be able to been

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Speaker 1: able to sit with him and just have room and

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Speaker 1: it moving pretty fast and it's gonna be super interesting

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Speaker 1: and this is super interesting, but we can let things develop,

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Speaker 1: and so I think that's why I'm most excited about

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Speaker 1: this and Ronnie coming over. And it's also cool because

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Speaker 1: when I have somebody that I know in my real

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Speaker 1: ask if we were hanging out. That makes sense, Mike.

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Speaker 1: That just makes sense because if I'm asking hanging out,

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Speaker 1: then it's like can we just be normal humans? But

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Speaker 1: can't get very specifics and found in normal conferenation. Right. So,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie done from Brooks and Dunne, episode three sixty four.

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Speaker 1: I'M gonna ask him in the interview at some point,

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Speaker 1: and remind me of this, of all of his and

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Speaker 1: their accolades, like what's his favorite professionally? I'm gonna guess

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Speaker 1: that he may say like Songwriters Hall of fame. Oh,

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Speaker 1: not a grammy. I'm gonna Guess Songwriters Hall of fame

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Speaker 1: or Country Music Hall of fame. More than a grammy.

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Speaker 1: I'll go grammy. Okay, winner wins one thousand paper ones. Okay, cool, cool,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Ronnie Donne, Brooks and done, please enjoy. Share

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Speaker 1: So check it out. Also, check out movie Mike's Movie podcast.

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Speaker 1: it's called twenty five whistles Mike is the executive producer

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Speaker 1: of that show. All right, that's what's up here. Is

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Speaker 1: Ronnie done from Brooks and Dunne. Having this house was

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Speaker 1: like it's like Disney world and what simulators. Here's a

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Speaker 1: here's a crazy that you get to put all your

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Speaker 1: your posters and stuff like. What you do on the wall?

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Speaker 1: I don't well, this is a different house. This is yes,

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Speaker 1: this is kind of the workhouse, radio TV. But Caitlin

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Speaker 1: I didn't even ask you and you're like there's so

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Speaker 1: not a compliment. Well, that's cool. So I had to barn,

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Speaker 1: And how about we just have a real, live person,

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Speaker 1: you know, I could be like a, you know, spiritual

421
00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:08,440
Speaker 1: or religious counselor or or psychologists. Uh, and then I

422
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: learned real quick that that, the second that I had

423
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: to step up and speak in front of a crowd,

424
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 1: that that wasn't from me. So you didn't even have

425
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:20,719
Speaker 1: the performance like bug whenever it was time to speak.

426
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 1: What you think you're gonna do with the rest of

427
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,479
Speaker 1: your life? No, would know. You had to do it

428
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: to get to get licensed. This is so weird. I

429
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 1: didn't know this. I'm too young to know this. To

430
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,200
Speaker 1: get licensed as a minister, that you get licensed and

431
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:34,919
Speaker 1: then you get ordained. So, uh, if you're licensed, you

432
00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: have to you have to go up and preach a sermon.

433
00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 1: So this uh pastor we had in UH South Texas port, Isabel,

434
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 1: had me go up and do a sermon, which was

435
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,679
Speaker 1: the biggest nightmare in my life. Remember, horrible, horrible. I

436
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,919
Speaker 1: remember thinking thirty minutes, thirty what you know? No, I

437
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: mean it was awful. You know how to do? You

438
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,159
Speaker 1: know how he is standing up as a comedian in

439
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 1: front of people, period and trying to hold that crowd.

440
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: All you have to do. And it's the same, same concept.

441
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: You know, do you remember what it was on? No, no,

442
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was wrong. I don't know. so

443
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: you decide through experience you don't want to do this.

444
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 1: So that both. Then what do you do? You could

445
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 1: you just quit, or do you have to call your folks? No, no, no, no,

446
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: I tried. I tried to like like in my way

447
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: over a little bit. So I changed the psychology and

448
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: then I really got into that and enjoyed it and

449
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 1: I did it for but at the same time I

450
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: was involved in music. We would go out and play.

451
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 1: Uh Uh, are you playing bass? Yeah, so you're not.

452
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,479
Speaker 1: You're not even singing in the band that you're in. Well,

453
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: I would sing a few songs, yeah, but I would.

454
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 1: Obviously I got to where I was a good bass

455
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,800
Speaker 1: player and I could play by ear. That's another thing,

456
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,119
Speaker 1: because if you're going out with with like pickup bands

457
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 1: and on the weekends, you kind of have to pretty

458
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,400
Speaker 1: much no how to go, how to wing it, because

459
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 1: you're not gonna know all those songs. So I could

460
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,879
Speaker 1: play by your were you comfortable performing as a singer? UH, not.

461
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: At first. No, in fact I wasn't comfortable performing as

462
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: a singer, even with Brooks and Dunna, you know. Well,

463
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,439
Speaker 1: after Neon Moon came along, that's the first time that

464
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,400
Speaker 1: I I like. They told me to hold a mic

465
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: and just stand there and sing or go go to

466
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,239
Speaker 1: one side of the stage, go to the other. If well,

467
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: development like shaking, and I did that. So you're playing bass,

468
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 1: you're singing some. Yeah, you're going to school. I mean,

469
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,520
Speaker 1: you didn't. You're not a preacher, you're not a Christian psychologist,

470
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 1: I don't know. College was not for me. I hated it.

471
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: How far did you go? UH, seven years, I mean

472
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: seven hours from graduating abnormal stye and statistics. You got

473
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: that close. Yeah, I was gonna come home for the

474
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: summer work on the pipeline with my dad and then, uh,

475
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: go back and finish up, and I never, never finished up.

476
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: I just I got involved with with bands. They had

477
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 1: moved to Tulsa Oklahoma about then from south South Texas,

478
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I got involved with all these cool bands.

479
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: Eric Clapton's band was there. Uh, she's Bonnie Ray, J

480
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: J Kale Joe Cocker. Shelter records was was working out

481
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 1: there in l a at the same time. So, yeah,

482
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 1: so you your guys are in Tulsa now. Is that

483
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,800
Speaker 1: when Oklahoma comes into play for you at that stage

484
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: of your life? Yeah, so, am I thinking you? I

485
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,359
Speaker 1: mean I just think of Oklahoma first and foremost. I

486
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 1: don't know, I guess probably because that's all you and

487
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: my wife talked about for twenty minutes before we even

488
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 1: did this and you wouldn't stop talking and acknowledge that

489
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,000
Speaker 1: I existed. But other than that, so usual girl. You

490
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: move up to you move up to Oklahoma at age three. UH, yeah, yeah, yeah,

491
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: and I fell right in with these guys who were

492
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: involved with ly on Russell and uh, when it was

493
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: an architect buddy, Steve Bush, was his name. Are you

494
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:00,480
Speaker 1: playing Bass with these guys? Uh, not with them, no,

495
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: but but I was playing with base, with local bands,

496
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: a bunch of good local bands, and tons of places

497
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 1: to play, you know, like like like here. When we

498
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 1: first moved to Nashville there was no place to play,

499
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 1: and now as Broadway as rocking. So it was kind

500
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: of that deal. We would that people would club hop

501
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, go hear bands, but not not many.

502
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: Are Those guys from that group? Were involved in country

503
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 1: at all, but Tulsa had a big country singing or

504
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: Johnny Lee Wills and a bunch of other people. So

505
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: are you singing more? I'm trying to find whenever you

506
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:35,119
Speaker 1: started to realize you're actually better than most vocally, you know.

507
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 1: Are you singing more than you were? Are you still

508
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: just singing a few playing the base on most? I'll

509
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: tell you the thing that really broke. Uh, urban cowboys

510
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 1: thing kicked off, like started and we were hitting up

511
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: to them like little you know, little regional clubs and

512
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: just beer joints really, but that's I mean, where else

513
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: do you go if you want to be a football player?

514
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 1: or I mean it's a Canada. You have to go

515
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 1: to the gym, you have to you have to play

516
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 1: football school, junior high and all that stuff, you know.

517
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: So you go to these beer joints and you do it. UH,

518
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: there was a lady here, Mary John Wilkins, would work

519
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: with Christmas Jefferson, that I businited with a one point

520
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: before it all started. Don't let me get you too

521
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: far off track, but uh, she called him skull orchards.

522
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: She said she's a love the way you thing. She

523
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: just says you're gonna have to go get some some

524
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: experience in these skull orchards, and I was like, what

525
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: the what? What Reps? She just wants to go. That's

526
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: not a pretty picture day one. So, anyway, I actually

527
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: went to Oklahoma and did that. You know, I would

528
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: call these places up and go book for, you know,

529
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars a night, two hundred fifty dollars a

530
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: night if they had it, and played for the door

531
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: in Texas. Now, uh, like I said, VF obvious. We

532
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: played for that and try to build the crowds up

533
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: over a few weeks or or month two and, uh,

534
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: whatever work. We'd stayed as long as we could. And

535
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: it's just working out playing, yeah, but even singing, you're

536
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: you're you're training that muscle. Yeah, right, I mean you're

537
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: seeing four week so I'm in Tulsa and the Urban

538
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,120
Speaker 1: Cowboy Movement thing happens and uh, they start building this

539
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: massive club called Duke's country, uh, and I mean huge

540
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: it was. It was a converted furniture factory and I

541
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: mean there's nothing for three thousand people a night to

542
00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: be there on the weekends, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Sometimes Thursdays. Uh,

543
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: a guy from a steel player ball thing, from a

544
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 1: gate mouth Brown's Band who was a blues player, uh

545
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: came to my door one one day and, uh, he said,

546
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: I'm putting together a band. He said, would you be

547
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: the lead singer for it, for our house band at Dukes,

548
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, yes, I guess yes. So we

549
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: put together a band and uh kept a job for

550
00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 1: two or three years, several years. There's a good run

551
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: for club stuff. Was that your first spot at being

552
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: just I mean you're the lead did you find you

553
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,479
Speaker 1: liked it more than you thought? UH, yeah, loved it.

554
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: To make you think of Your Dad, always, always, I

555
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: always do any anytime. I mean he's always you know.

556
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: That's always the image and you know the motive back

557
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: there that I think. You know, I just think that's

558
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 1: like how did I end up cosmically living my father's dream? Yeah,

559
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: do you think he would be proud looking at you now?

560
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: You think it's super cool. Yeah, too cool. I have

561
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: to lock him away. You know, he was. He was

562
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: very pinonated, very country, very, very traditional country. Back to that,

563
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: you know, Hank Williams days and all that. UH, artist

564
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 1: TUB real way into that he takes you to any

565
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: concerts as a kid? Yeah, did you see? Uh you

566
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 1: remember your first ever young loves, sweet love. Who was that?

567
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: Sunny James? He played guitar with him for a little while.

568
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: He would come any dude do cup stuff with him.

569
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,959
Speaker 1: And Uh, yes, I remember going to Sonny James Concert.

570
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: I was small. Uh. But yeah, did you ever, and

571
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 1: I don't know how old you were, when you're dead,

572
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: taking to concerts? Do you ever see Um? I don't know.

573
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 1: He loved Hank Senior. That was probably the way before you, though.

574
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm sing when he was way before you. Anybody come

575
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 1: through town and you can remember and being like, Dang,

576
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: I saw them before they actually turned into the superstar

577
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: that everybody knows. Well, I didn't Tulsa. Yeah, a lot

578
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: we we opened for per ricky's cage when he just

579
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 1: had his first song out Lee Greenwood, when he just

580
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: that's that's where they would they would land in no

581
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: size venues and then then work their way up. But

582
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: you know Johnny Lee coming out of urban cowboy. But

583
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: of course I was a big, big thing at the time. Uh. Yeah,

584
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: you're singing Rodney kraw yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I love Rodney. Yeah,

585
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: that's really cool too. You're singing in Tulsa, you're regionally playing.

586
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: But when when do you go? I gotta go to Nashville.

587
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 1: Or did someone said you gotta go to Nashville? She

588
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: just said, you know, and for the for for you

589
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: to make this happen, you're gonna have to just you're

590
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 1: gonna have to jump out of the plane. Man, he

591
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: says you're gonna get up. Did you not want to

592
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: jump out of the plane? I was afraid, you know

593
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: that Nash Nashville scared me to death. You know, there's

594
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: it's a feast or famine environment. You know, there's no

595
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: there's no middle ground here, and I did not I

596
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: want to be get involved in the dark in the

597
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: dark side. You Pack Up, you're throwing a car, you

598
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: get a trailer, like what? What's? What's okay? So Janine

599
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: had had had been put for five years and uh

600
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: a friend introduced us and uh she and her ex

601
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 1: husband are not ex husband, but past husband. Uh, what

602
00:31:51,640 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: do you call it? Help me if you die anyway. Uh,

603
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: she she was. Come to find out, I didn't know

604
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: going in that she was friends with June car cash

605
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: and Johnny cash that they were best friends. Well, he

606
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,560
Speaker 1: her husband, her late husband, had made the car one

607
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: piece of time. That the John Thing about. Okay, so

608
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: she goes, I'm gonna take you to Nashville, and she

609
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: said that's what I saw somewherey gonna be able to

610
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: do it and and and introduce you to John. And

611
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 1: Jenny said we SCO up their friends. We're not gonna

612
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: stay much of anything except that Eric Clapton's drummer. Backing

613
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: up her step here, Eric Clapton's drummer, Jamie oldecker. As

614
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: a joke one night, had entered my name in the

615
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: Marlborough talent round up contest. Okay, so you have to

616
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: submit a tape. You know. They get it. They called

617
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: it back. She says I was a convenient store one night.

618
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: I said I ripped one of the like interest forms

619
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: up and uh sent it into him. Uh, and I'm

620
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: like a dude, this, this, this is someone cool with.

621
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: We were cool even at that level. We were we're

622
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: playing beer joints and S barbander down. So he goes,

623
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: I did it, I did it, we're going anyway. So

624
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: sure enough, we get it. We get into the regional

625
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: part of the contest. Then you go to whatever the

626
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: next event, and it's bands, bands all over the country,

627
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: and then you end up here in Nashville doing the

628
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: final for that and we want it. And remember Ricky's

629
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: gags was it was a guest. I mean I judge,

630
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember who else was it. We want it. Yeah,

631
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: and Uh then you get like thirty three thousand dollars

632
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: and UH, recording session with Barry Beckett at the time

633
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: and Scott Hendrix and uh we cut boot Scoot and

634
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 1: neon moon and one more hold up in some honkey

635
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: talk by Dean Dillon. Who is we? The band? Had

636
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: A band. Yeah, I'm sorry, what's the name of the band?

637
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: They eventually became the tractors. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's

638
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: just Bonnie rights, piano player. I got clapped as drummer

639
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: and we're all like that, we're in a band. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah,

640
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: so you took that band originally cut a couple of

641
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 1: those songs, but they weren't that band at the time.

642
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: They were just we're just, we're just going yeah, wow.

643
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: So you make that record on thirty three dollars, basically

644
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: three or four songs. That's not a record, but songs. Yeah, right, yeah.

645
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: What do you do with it, though? Yeah, what do

646
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: you do with the record? Uh No, I mean we thought,

647
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: we thought, okay, well, at least we get a good,

648
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: good foothold and uh, you know, we're getting to do

649
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: some some stuff around it. And we did. They, Marlboro

650
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: put us on tour, a military tour, which was actually

651
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: a blast. It was massive, stages, George Straight, Oh God,

652
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: Ricky Skaggs, Alan Jackson, I mean everybody. I mean we

653
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: got to open the show for all those people, and uh,

654
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 1: we thought, well, this is the beginning of it. We'll

655
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 1: get a record doing the way we go. Well, that

656
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: ended and then, you know, three years later, I'm out

657
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: weed eating, you know, the fans at the at the farm.

658
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: So what the Hell am I doing here? I thought,

659
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: I thought, this is my way too into it. The

660
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: same principle. That works with, you know, the other you

661
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: know shows that we watched today. The voice that is

662
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: not that's not the ticket to the big time, right,

663
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 1: it's a ticket to get a little flash that maybe

664
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: people can pay attention to you so then you can start.

665
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: That's that's what I tell I'm like, use this platform

666
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: to get a good place to start. Yeah, you're not.

667
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: You're not on your way. You know not. You can

668
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: make a few contacts and relationships through a little flash

669
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: that you can get enough of a hold. And and

670
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: that said, I did. Scott Hendrix took the tape to

671
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: attempt Dubois, who was starting heirs to records at the

672
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: time and just trying to fill in a balanced roster.

673
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: And Uh, Clive Davis was was behind it, of course,

674
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: because that never hurts. UH, at a time in the

675
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: business when it was not a great, great time to

676
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: start a label. But tell Clive Davis that right. So

677
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: Tim comes out and here and here's me in Tulsa,

678
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: because he's from Grove Oklahoma. Caitlin, I don't know what

679
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: grove they had like a moment where they're like, you know,

680
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: groove right on grand leg. Anyway, anyway, here's this play

681
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,920
Speaker 1: and he goes okay, after we get through Texi back

682
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 1: and goes okay, I'm gonna tell you this. He says

683
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: hold tide for me. He says, just like I'm going somewhere, right, yeah, right,

684
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 1: I got the other side of the fence to wheatie. Uh,

685
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: and he says, I'm I'm putting the record Labor together

686
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: Alan Jackson and Pam tell us diamond Rio and he said,

687
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: I'm I'm up to something here. She says, if you're

688
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: just just have a little faith and patience in me,

689
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. So you know, a year later

690
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: I didn't heard anything from him. A year. Yeah, that's

691
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: a lot of patience. Well, where else do you go?

692
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: I don't have choice. Yeah, UH, sure enough. I uh.

693
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 1: Janine comes down one day and tells me to put

694
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 1: the weed either down and come up to the house,

695
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: get on the phone and she says I called him

696
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: to bond and see what's going on, because I'm just

697
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm sure I wouldn't do that, you know. And she's not.

698
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: I called him and he goes, Mr he said, this

699
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 1: is unreal. He said, I'm sitting here with my Rollo

700
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: decks right now looking for your number. I went, no,

701
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: you're not, and he goes yes, I am, because I

702
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 1: want to cut boots, goot boogie. I'm thinking the flash

703
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: me with me. He goes with a sleep at the wheel.

704
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: So I just signed myself. Okay, great, you know, knock

705
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,359
Speaker 1: it out. And he said come down to Nashville. He says,

706
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, talk to you when we get

707
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: through and listen to the record. So what with? Janine

708
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: and I got in this car, drove to Nashville and uh,

709
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: it was he played it for us and it's sleep

710
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: at the wheel. Did, of course, as a swing song,

711
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: bomp bomb, and I thought it, I thought and we

712
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: both just went jenny and I were like, Oh, it's

713
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: not gonna work and a fly and uh so they

714
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: ran through their cycle there and then, uh finally Tim said, okay,

715
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: it's time to move here. You know, this is your

716
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: your later, you're after that. He said. Time to move here,

717
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 1: he said, and I'll get you, I'll get you hooked

718
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: up as a as a writer at one of the

719
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 1: publishing companies. And Uh, he just called out all the

720
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 1: blue one day after June Carter had already called Janina said, uh,

721
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: she called her witter, witter patch. That was that was

722
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 1: your name, is married name. UH, she's a witter. Uh

723
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: would you mind even Ronnie maybe staying at having written

724
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Lord of the cabins up on the mountain, which was

725
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: outside of town in Gillettsville. And Uh Janina started crying.

726
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: She was like, Oh my God, yes, please, I'll be

727
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: close to June, was a friend of hers and all this.

728
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: So we did uh, UH, Tim put kicks and now

729
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: together to write with another, another writer in town, Don Cook. Don't,

730
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: don't dump ahead. Hold on. Did you ever got met

731
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,640
Speaker 1: Johnny Cash? She drove. Yes, she brought me in to

732
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: meet him. where? To his house and Hendersonville. Are you nervous? Yeah,

733
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: I'm scared of death. I don't I don't want to

734
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: meet them. And I know they're thinking, Hey, you know,

735
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: she's bringing you know, I want to be singer into

736
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: my house, just just like what I would do with

737
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: one of my daughters, just like Ah, please, right. Uh.

738
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: So June takes her out and you know just uh,

739
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: John had just given June a blue on Blue Rolls

740
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: Royce for her birthday, you know. So we rolled up

741
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: to their house and all this austentatious stuff is outside

742
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: and uh go in. Nervous, yes, more nervous as you

743
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: walk closer. Yes, okay, it gets worse. So the girls

744
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: after after day one, you know, we all stopped and

745
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 1: eat all this stuff. John's real quiet. He's quite at first,

746
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, and he says he's intimidating anyway. Right, and

747
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: then under those circumstances, I'm going. You know, I don't.

748
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't wanna, you know, I wanna be here like this.

749
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: So the next today, June and Janine go shopping and

750
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: leave me and John Alone at the house. Well, there

751
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,720
Speaker 1: were two big black recliners in front of the TV

752
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: like that on the wall and uh, he's sitting there

753
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: watching CNN and I just sat down with a cup

754
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: of coffee and I sat there. I said something going

755
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: on in the news and he goes, I always watch it,

756
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: always watching. He says, I'm an addict. He says I'll

757
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: watch the TV until the loop changes. He says, you

758
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: know that the CNN and all that stuff aroung loops,

759
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like no, and uh, he goes, I just

760
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: watch it, you know, two loops whatever. You know. That

761
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 1: was kind of the only thing I remember. It just

762
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 1: kind of didn't say much. He's like, you want to

763
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 1: go fishing? What are you doing? You want to be

764
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: in music, nothing like that. So Janine gets back and

765
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: she's kind of Pale. She's kind of like down, and

766
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: that's not like her because she's a chatter. And Uh,

767
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: finally we we went back to the bedroom and she

768
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: she said how did it go? And she goes, well,

769
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: June just gave she read of me the Right Act,

770
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: you know. She goes, look, you know, because Rodney and

771
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: Roseanne had been been married and the girls carline and

772
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: all of them, and junior had her struggles with John Too.

773
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,400
Speaker 1: And she said, uh, it's it's it's not a it's

774
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: not a pretty business. She goes, you know, these these boys,

775
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: she says, they're gonna act up on you. You know,

776
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna get out there and, you know, theoretically, do whatever.

777
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: And she says, you know, it's just not it's not

778
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: a good life. Even if he does make it, she

779
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: said the chances are, you know, one in a hundred

780
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 1: million that they, even if they make it, will they last?

781
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: She says, you don't, you don't. You don't want that life.

782
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: You don't have to have that life. So Janice said,

783
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, that's just kind of bummed me out

784
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: and I said, well, okay, let's let's go. But we didn't.

785
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: We stayed and and and had had I had a

786
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: good time, but that was just kind of what we

787
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: were left with their but at the same time, June

788
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 1: was kind enough, uh, to to do whatever they could

789
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: to help and they did. And half the time, more

790
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: than half the time, I would go to go up

791
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: to take the rent or play the rent, six hundred

792
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: bucks or something like that. This house looked like something

793
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: did Johnny's House. He would take the rent to Johnny

794
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: cash's house. Yeah, and just drop away. They had like

795
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 1: a hole for the thing. The wouldn't take it. No, June,

796
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: I'd say, June, I'm a run over and and leave

797
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: the rent and she goes, honey, don't do that, she said,

798
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: don't do that. Yeah, you don't, there's no need for

799
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,600
Speaker 1: you to do that. We're not worried about that. UH, anyway.

800
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: So they wouldn't take it. Did they ever take your rent? No.

801
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: How long did you live there? UH, year and a half.

802
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: Two years. No, two years. Did did you ever get

803
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: closer to Johnny? Uh, yeah, Oh, yeah, yeah, no, no,

804
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: Johnny would come up. There was another it's a little

805
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: unclever with cabins in good listen on top of hill

806
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: that uh, they had built real cool and uh he

807
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: would come up and stay and spend the weekends and

808
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: stuff sometimes up there just to be alone. and He'd

809
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: stopped at the House and uh, and I told him

810
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: right okay, I get a record deal with their stuff

811
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: as a solo artists. Well, I'm thinking as a solo

812
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: artist and I'm still writing and and Tim says, uh,

813
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: one day he goes, come over here, he says, we're

814
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: gonna spend the day and I'm gonna take you to

815
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: every publishing company in town. And I had written, like

816
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: I said to neon moon boots, could hard working man.

817
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: She's to be alling that kind of stuff. Uh, no,

818
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: one actually super excited. And he goes, but I'm I'm

819
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: waiting to take you to to Sony a TV for

820
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: to Donna Hilly, and he said that that's where I

821
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: want you. He said that's that's in his period, but

822
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 1: the best place in town. So, uh, sure enough, she

823
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: calls one day and says, Hey, I'm gonna give you

824
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: a deal. She said. Then I've been how does like,

825
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, a month sound? I was like, I'll take

826
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: it now. and Uh so I was set up as

827
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 1: a writer in in in a great spot and uh

828
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: Tim put me into kicks together and I'm thinking, but

829
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: you've heard this story, but a lot of people have.

830
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: But UH kicks. Just thinking, well, he's writing songs with

831
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: me for my solo deal. unbeknonest to me, he had

832
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: been working on another duo deal at Aras for him. Ye,

833
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: him and someone else. Yes, Tim Tim Nichols. It was

834
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: who the first one was, and I heard that, had

835
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: I not worked out, it was gonna be Libroy Pardell.

836
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: That's funny. How about it? They were shopping kicks to

837
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: a lot of really it was like kicks, you're half

838
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: of something great. You'RE gonna be. Yeah, you'RE gonna be. Buddy,

839
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: you know you want to be in a duo. Uh,

840
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: it sounds like three duos aline. Do you know? I

841
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 1: don't know. You have to ask kicks. I don't know,

842
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: but he'll he'll tell the same story. He said. Man,

843
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, he was writing for me and

844
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: I'm writing to him. So, uh, Tim comes in one

845
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: day and he has everything in his office lined up

846
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: and UH plays, plays all of our music together, you know,

847
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: and he goes. I think I ink with the first

848
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: song that that we had written together was brand new, man, uh,

849
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: and working on my next broken heart and, uh what else?

850
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 1: But you wrote that in a day or in a week,

851
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: like a couple of days together. But you stay together

852
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: right for a couple of days yeah, I'd never co

853
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: written before, so I didn't know, you know, what the

854
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: protocol was and uh, we did that, put the records

855
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 1: together and, did you know, some work on them individually ourselves.

856
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: was there a creative chemistry that you felt then, or

857
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: was it did you just sound good, or did you

858
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: compliment each other in a way that you hadn't before?

859
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: It just it felt good. I liked I liked what

860
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: he had brought to the table. It was lost and

861
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: found and a couple of songs that were like almost

862
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 1: eagles progressive, and I liked that. That kind of I

863
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: was really, you know, in my creative zen place thinking

864
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: if we were gonna market ourselves as kind of a southwestern,

865
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 1: east west of the missis it be, you know, desert

866
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 1: kind of then that's southwest deal. Did you guys? And

867
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: let's we'll just smash forward just a little bit. But

868
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 1: did you guys ever have other names for the group

869
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: set for Brooks and done? Yeah, we said for a

870
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: day it was gonna be the coyote brothers and, you know,

871
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: the CACTUS brothers. We don't know, we said and filled

872
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: up a notebooks and finally it just you know, I

873
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: left town and came back for after a weekend. Everybody said,

874
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: let's just call it brooks and done. Yeah, they were

875
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: just exhausted at all that, that number desert references. So

876
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: nothing felt right. You know, I don't know how does it,

877
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: because you're both singers and I've been to more than

878
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: a few shows that you guys, and kick sings awesome.

879
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: It's too awesome too. And he has he, I mean

880
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: he kicks has. Yes, how was that? His name's first,

881
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 1: and then you get to sing more songs or like,

882
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: how does that when you're both good? Here's the name,

883
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: here's how the name thing worked out, and people go

884
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: how that happened. It's like his brother in law owned

885
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 1: a big AD company up in Maine. We wanted to

886
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: logo bad so we kind of laid out the basics,

887
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: and who came back with you? The Brooks have done,

888
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: because it laid out graphically better. Uh, there, it could

889
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: be done in Brooks, but brooks have done. You know

890
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: by now it just seems natural. You know the Beatles, right,

891
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: what a freaking name? Really, who would you call yourself? Yeah,

892
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: it sounds successful. You are the normal. The name gets. Yeah, yeah,

893
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: when did it get the most absurd to you? With

894
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: and again. But you guys were also in their thirties

895
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: right when it started. I wonder if that helped it

896
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: all with a little bit the absurdity of how crazy

897
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: it got. It did it did, and a lot of

898
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: the challenges we would have had. You know, you kind

899
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: of helps you like fight through the kind of the

900
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: unspoken ego tension that goes along with with anything you're

901
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 1: trying to establish. Your turf is, you know, are you

902
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 1: going to be the you know, the lead singer, or

903
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: am I going to be the lead singer? Hey, we're

904
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 1: good to throw it together. We we always have. It's

905
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 1: just kind of and I think being older helped help

906
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: deal with that. When you're in these shows and they're

907
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: selling out and you guys are crossing over even a

908
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: bit into not just country music. We got so big

909
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: like at its most absurd time. Do you can you

910
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 1: look back and appreciate it, or was it all such

911
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: a blur? No, we can look back and appreciate it,

912
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: you know. No, no, you you appreciate what you have

913
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: and and and just just from seeing, I mean, other

914
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 1: acts come along. You know, countless acts come along and

915
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: it's like here's the hottest thing in town. Here's these

916
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be monsters and all that stuff, and

917
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: just like boom boom gone. It's like why are we

918
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: not boom boom gone? I don't know. That's unspoken. Yeah,

919
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: did you ever have what they call, Um, Mike, what

920
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: is it called the imposter syndrome, where you felt like,

921
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: you know what, we're not as good as some of

922
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 1: these guys, yet we continue to climb places that they're not?

923
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Like we don't really deserve to be here. Do you

924
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: feel like that? Yeah, sincerely. Yeah, why do you think that?

925
00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: What do you think the element was about you two?

926
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: What do you think it was? I don't know, I

927
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:03,760
Speaker 1: don't have thought that. We thought about it a billion times.

928
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: I say we, you mean kids. I mean we've talked

929
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: about it. I don't know. I don't know if you know.

930
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: I mean I do sometimes. I said I'll lay in

931
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: bed by myself and just go it's just I mean,

932
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: was it because we were revolved with Clive Davis and Tim?

933
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 1: I've asked him, Dubo, I said what what made this

934
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: thing work? And he goes, Mr I don't have a clue.

935
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:28,719
Speaker 1: What about the songs? Right? Do you ever just fall

936
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 1: back and go. Yeah, I think yes, just could be

937
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 1: the songs. Well, they say it starts there, so it

938
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 1: could be just what those songs were, you know, and

939
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: there's obviously other things that go into the stew. But

940
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: if the songs are your meat, that's the foundation of

941
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: it all. That's that's a bar on, that's that's where

942
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: it starts. Why put out? Yeah, I think that's your

943
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: fit solo record you just put out, and I asked

944
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: this in a complimentary way, but why? Why do you?

945
00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 1: Why do you do sell the record? Because I don't

946
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: want to. Now I'm like a cat out of the

947
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 1: cage because we don't want a label deal and we're

948
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: free from that and we don't have to sit in

949
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: a boardroom and we're not subject to a corporate agenda

950
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 1: and schedule. So do you have fun doing it right? Yeah,

951
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, you shoot your ten songs,

952
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:28,359
Speaker 1: you know, or eleven, fifteen, whatever for a corporate thing

953
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 1: with the label. And Uh, now and streaming helps that

954
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 1: a lot. But right now, and I'm just at a

955
00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: point to where it's like, the money is not an issue,

956
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: but I still have that hunger and desire to create music.

957
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 1: I just love doing it. Did you ever lose it?

958
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: Did you ever get burnt out and you didn't want

959
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: to write? No, no, and I'll tell you what helped that.

960
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 1: Like literally, like quitting, quitting helped. That was a big deal.

961
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,760
Speaker 1: You know that. You you're going to convey or about quitting.

962
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 1: What the band? Yeah, quit. Yeah, how long did you quit?

963
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: How long do you think you quit? I thought is,

964
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 1: there's like ten years and it seemed like five. But you, uh,

965
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, you you kind of burned out. But it's

966
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 1: like we were at a place to where it there's

967
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: another thing in this business that's called it's the old thing.

968
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: Is because you live by the awards, you die by

969
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,919
Speaker 1: the awards. Shows and and we were we had won

970
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: what what do over and and other things for for

971
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: for years, and you just kind of felt it waning.

972
00:51:28,120 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: And it's like the psychologically impact of setting an audience

973
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: and not winning. I said, I'm I'm not gonna let

974
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: this happen. I'm not gonna build a brand and get

975
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: it up this high and this this high and let

976
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: it let it be brought down. so by that that

977
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: piece of Tribua, which is the same going up, it's

978
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 1: a big important thing. Coming down it's a big, important

979
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: thing too, and it's like I was not gonna let it.

980
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: I was not gonna let it bring us down. So

981
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 1: I see the fact that you won all the awards

982
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 1: made it hurt worse when then you started to not

983
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: win the awards, because people want like Hey, what happened?

984
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: What happened to you guys used to win them all? Yeah,

985
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:04,440
Speaker 1: and it got and it got to a point to

986
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: where the perception, yeah, was hey, you know, you're you're

987
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: slipping or whatever. But I used to be embarrassed for

988
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: for the last few years, every time they mentioned our name,

989
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm going no, it's working against you know. And now

990
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: it's not like you're the Dallas Cowboys or whatever and

991
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 1: you've won. You won the Super Bowl twenty times in

992
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: a row. People, no matter how much they might like

993
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,479
Speaker 1: your or how how where you're playing, they're they're rooting

994
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: for you get beat. Yeah, this culture loves to build

995
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: up and then rip you down and then watch you

996
00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: climb back up again and then rip you down. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

997
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: so round two? Uh No, we don't. I don't even

998
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: really go to a word shows. I mean now it's

999
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,400
Speaker 1: like if they're nominating us now, but I just I

1000
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: saw you got nominated again. Yeah, but like, give me

1001
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 1: go in your place and then, if you win, I'll

1002
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: go up and do the speech to it. Please, please,

1003
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: you do a lot better speech. How you know how

1004
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: awesome that would be? What your because I get I'm

1005
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: telling you right now. Please do it. If it happened,

1006
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 1: so now I have to go sit in this stip

1007
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: but this is don't go buy your suit now. This

1008
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: is you officially saying, though, that if I go and

1009
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: I don't because I have a beef with them not

1010
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: letting me host. Right, that's a whole different, whole different argument. Yes,

1011
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: I know what that's about. So I've purposely just not

1012
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: gone the last couple of years. However, you're telling me,

1013
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: if you guys win, you clear it now. I gotta

1014
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: have that I can go up and accept your award. Yes, absolutely, fact,

1015
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,399
Speaker 1: what about? Hey, listen to this, let's right now. Yeah,

1016
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: right down. We got he kicks on the phone to

1017
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: eventually point to agree. I'm wholehearted. When they do the

1018
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: camera and they show all the people sitting in the audience,

1019
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: I want to hold two sticks with your heads on

1020
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: it and they have to put it on me holding

1021
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 1: sticks in your heads, but you have to say that

1022
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: so they know we should. It would be awesome. And

1023
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 1: then when you win, I'll go up and I'm all

1024
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,280
Speaker 1: about it. I am all about it. Mike, mark this clip,

1025
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 1: write it, write it down, post it. I mean, I

1026
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,439
Speaker 1: got about to the world. I gotta go. I gotta

1027
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: go to the word show. There you go when you win,

1028
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: and I'll give the greatest, most like my speech as

1029
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: to why it sucks out and get the host as.

1030
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm just sorry. It could be all about you, baby.

1031
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 1: I don't care. Yeah, no, I mean that that's actually

1032
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: a brilliant idea. Yeah, I don't think we may not

1033
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 1: do that. No, no, he'd go for it. He's totally

1034
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 1: into that. That would that be awesome. Um, just a

1035
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: couple more things. You've mentioned your wife a few times

1036
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 1: in a very loving way and also someone it seems

1037
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: like you just value her opinion on things, personally and professionally.

1038
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: She gets consistently been a pillar in both. Yeah, I

1039
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 1: mean I can't tell you how many times I'm coming

1040
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: to bed like, you know, after listening to a song

1041
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: or two or something and like feeling, you know, an

1042
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: inch tall, you know, and invariable most of the time.

1043
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: She's she's she's right, and she's also that, you know,

1044
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: that that mountain that if, if I feel like I

1045
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: can end up to it and bucket and and break

1046
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: through it and come through with a successful song, ah,

1047
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: then hey, it makes me feel better about me. Does

1048
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: she challenge you? Yes, yes, mine too, but in an

1049
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: awesome way. Yeah, like in a way that never been challenged. No,

1050
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: I hate it at the time, you know, I hate

1051
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: it at the time and I look back at it

1052
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: and go, you know, who else is? Do you want

1053
00:55:21,440 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 1: somebody around this just telling you great all the time? Sometimes,

1054
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: you know? Yeah, well, yeah, occasionally, most time, you know what,

1055
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: she's smartest. We're all insecure. Absolutely, my wife says to me.

1056
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 1: Everywhere you go, people do a great you are, but

1057
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be honest and I like and at

1058
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,879
Speaker 1: first that was really uncomfortable for me, but yeah, I've

1059
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 1: never been challenged in a wonderful way like my wife

1060
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: is challenged. She said before, like that joke, wasn't that

1061
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: funny that you told and I'm like, but everybody laughed,

1062
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 1: and she goes, but you're better than this. That's that's

1063
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,000
Speaker 1: Janine Dunn. Now that's a gift. If you have a

1064
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 1: partner like that, that is a that's a gift. When

1065
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: it first happened, did you get offended? Because I did.

1066
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you don't know what anything, you

1067
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: never told a joke. But then, after a few times

1068
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,839
Speaker 1: where she was right, I'm just like that hurts by

1069
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: trust you. Absolutely no, that's that's that's that's a good

1070
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: partner right there. You know, and you and you, you'll

1071
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,479
Speaker 1: learn over time, whether you respect it at the time

1072
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:13,959
Speaker 1: or not, that they're right enough and they're always right.

1073
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: That that you know you're, you're, you're, you're pretty much

1074
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: you're hooked up with the right person. Yeah, it's tough

1075
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: for me at first as far as I'd be like

1076
00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: what do you know about comedy, and she was like,

1077
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to give you a lesson in comedy,

1078
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 1: but I can tell it. And then she would start

1079
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: to punch up jokes better than I could write them too.

1080
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I'd sit in the bed and be like she was

1081
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: what if you moved that word here? And I'm like

1082
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: now I get mad that she was better than me

1083
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 1: at it. Does the same thing. She would do it

1084
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: and like end up with like her name on a

1085
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: song and then next thing I know she's like from

1086
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 1: a business meeting with the account of thing that goes.

1087
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: Oh Yeah, there's your names, songwriting, business account, or gift account,

1088
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: she calls it. How much money is in it? What

1089
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 1: you know? You walked through the room, you were mopping

1090
00:56:55,840 --> 00:57:00,360
Speaker 1: the floor while I was writing a song. You can brutal,

1091
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: but it's fun. Yeah, and it has made me better. Yeah,

1092
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: it hasked me by far. There's no, no, no denying it.

1093
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: As crazy and as as Molltle, is it good? And

1094
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: when my wife tells me I do something good, I

1095
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: believe her because she doesn't pass those compliments out, which

1096
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: is good for me too, because lame Simergen. And she

1097
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 1: is not. She's not gonna. She's not gonna go that way,

1098
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: you know. Yet she's you know, she's sweet, she's kind,

1099
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 1: she's sensitive, she's, you know, more more slow than I am,

1100
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: and it's you know. But normally I don't respect that

1101
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: because we're all we're in this business, we're used to

1102
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: the fight, you know. And Uh, but I do with her.

1103
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 1: What's your favorite accolade that you've ever received? We were

1104
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: debating on what your answer would be and I just

1105
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 1: don't want to ask this so you can be like bragging,

1106
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 1: but we were going through some of your stuff and

1107
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,320
Speaker 1: we did a whole preview before you came out talking

1108
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: about your record and stuff. If I said the greatest

1109
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:56,439
Speaker 1: professional accolade slash achievement, what is it? Oh, it's tough.

1110
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: I picked one, Mike picked. We all what we thought

1111
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: you would say. I've never thought about it and I'm

1112
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: bad at doing this too. I don't you know. I

1113
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't mean you know. Would it be

1114
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 1: something that's trus vocal performance for a grammy or something?

1115
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: But no, that is that he's Mike said it'd be

1116
00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: a grammy. Yeah, I said it would be songwriter hall

1117
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: of fame. That's it. Which one? UH, songwriter? No, no,

1118
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: you know what country music fame? No, your country Music

1119
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,400
Speaker 1: Hall of fame. Like, like, I never even thought about it.

1120
00:58:35,600 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: Never even ranked those three though. Could you be the

1121
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: call of fame? Yeah, number one. Go ahead to songwriter.

1122
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: I'll got the grammy with that first. Okay, yeah, yeah,

1123
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: I was that. My stepdad came to town. We took

1124
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,920
Speaker 1: him to go to the country Music Hall of fame

1125
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 1: and at the time it was like every piece of

1126
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: metal they had ever put in and it's just your

1127
00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 1: name all over every one of them. It just filled

1128
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: up a whole room of all those things, of C

1129
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 1: M as and a C M S, and I mean

1130
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: do they have to send a dump truck over to

1131
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: all those things out? No, dump truck. Okay, sorry, eight

1132
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: Teen Wheeler wheler. Yeah, you're you guys are playing stage coach.

1133
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: I kind of want to end on this, because what's

1134
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: cool is you were cool, you went away. It's rare

1135
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 1: that you get to be cool again, not nostalgic. Different.

1136
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 1: You guys are cool again, and also there's the nostalgia,

1137
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,680
Speaker 1: but it's not all based on nostalgia. You're cool again,

1138
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: do you do? You know that and you understand that right,

1139
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: because you're playing stage coach and they just don't throw

1140
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:40,920
Speaker 1: up good acts from the nineties of two thousands and

1141
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: the stage of stage coach. You know, I don't. I

1142
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,160
Speaker 1: don't think about that that much. Someone told me the

1143
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: other day that we we played the first stage coach.

1144
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 1: Was that all? Six? You're asking the wrong guy. I

1145
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:52,760
Speaker 1: don't know. I know someone in our camp. So that

1146
00:59:53,640 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: is that right? Yeah, but uh, the music it sounds

1147
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 1: it's the same a lot of it, but the band

1148
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 1: is is mm hmm, it's it's different. I mean we're

1149
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: like we're hitting like thirty thousand, you know people, not

1150
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: festivals crowds. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, like you're not.

1151
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,240
Speaker 1: People aren't coming to day to just go oh, I

1152
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: remember these guys. It's also young, young people are coming

1153
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 1: to your shows, like so many of my friends that

1154
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: I did a show and I had a indvitage to

1155
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: come out and you could do because you had a show.

1156
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: But well, even Caitlin was like, I want to go

1157
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: watch Ronnie instead of your we had that because you're

1158
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: playing the same night in Nashville. She's like you can

1159
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: if I go watch Ronnie, and so but so many

1160
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,439
Speaker 1: of my friends were sending videos from your show and

1161
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: there's thirties and forties and they weren't going for any

1162
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: other reason other than they just love you guys music.

1163
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,520
Speaker 1: And so I don't know what's to be cool again twice.

1164
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 1: That is lightning in a bottle the first time, but

1165
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: the second time. Are you kidding me? Like, do you

1166
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:58,200
Speaker 1: guys talk about that? We do, we do, and once

1167
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,080
Speaker 1: again it's all us with wonder and we don't we

1168
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,400
Speaker 1: don't get it. We don't get it, but you know

1169
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: so many things that they do change and I don't know,

1170
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm this is weird just for me to say, but

1171
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm singing better. UH, kicks is singing great.

1172
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: The band is fabulous. His Band is very tight. Crazy.

1173
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: Is it the real the guys with you, guys share

1174
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: the band with? Well, we've spent, you know, off and

1175
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: on seven years in Vegas and stuff and yeah, it's,

1176
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 1: it's it's it's part of the part of the her band,

1177
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: part and our our guys, but it's just completely different technologies,

1178
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,240
Speaker 1: different lightings, different all that. But at the same time

1179
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: there's a there's a new energy that's that's not coming

1180
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: from us, what it is, but it's coming from the crowd.

1181
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 1: The show is always in the crowd. We asked people

1182
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: if they have questions. I'm gonna roll through five of

1183
01:01:52,080 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 1: these quick you answer them quick these are from our

1184
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: our listeners here. Um, some of these are simple, like

1185
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: what is your favorite Brooks and done song? Mm Hmm,

1186
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: my favorite. Oh, all right, I guess. But neon moon

1187
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 1: kind of had a resurgence there. UH, they come and go.

1188
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: You know here you hear this whole thing. They're a lie.

1189
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: My Kids, you know, I don't know. I'm pickle. You

1190
01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 1: know right now, which song would you look forward to

1191
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:21,920
Speaker 1: on the set list of most? Let's ask him like that.

1192
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,480
Speaker 1: What would it be? You got all these shows, you

1193
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: have to when you hit that first quarter on Neon,

1194
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: it's just they're, they're, they lied up. Here's one something simple.

1195
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: How's he doing? How are you doing? I'm gonna do it. Yeah,

1196
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: I've been fine. Yeah, I'm doing that's that's that's that's

1197
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 1: a bad answer to saying psychology. You don't say fine.

1198
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: Do you feel good? Yeah, yeah, I feel good. Mental

1199
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: health good. Yeah, never, never should be. No, you ever

1200
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: should always be like a little bit of attention in

1201
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 1: life is an artist and tortured favorite person or people

1202
01:02:54,240 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: to tour with. Oh, okay, now, years ago, like we

1203
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: we hooked up at the Ez top now hobnout, they said.

1204
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: I got to know billy gibbons and dusty frank all that.

1205
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: Man became like really good friends, really cool guys really,

1206
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: because be they're like the first car I got had

1207
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,439
Speaker 1: like a killer sound system and it was an old,

1208
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: you know, Chevy Nov or something, but uh, and I

1209
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: had trace hombre's just God, never heard anything like that. Uh,

1210
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 1: you know brol haggard. I was gonna go back to haggard.

1211
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 1: I get around haggard and but just couldn't talk. Couldn't talk.

1212
01:03:33,960 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: Now I wanted to like ask him so many questions

1213
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:37,920
Speaker 1: and talk and shoot the breeze, and it's like it's

1214
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: like me and you. You talk, I'm just like we're

1215
01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: talking about chat. You're the coolest. I can't talk. I

1216
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,160
Speaker 1: said to spit all over myself. When you're you're like,

1217
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: what's up with you drool? I'm like no, I'm just

1218
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: here with you. Okay. So a couple of things and

1219
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:51,959
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up on this hundred proof of neon.

1220
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: You guys definitely check it out. I saw the sign,

1221
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: the billboard, driving down the street. It look you up there.

1222
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: What that cost us? Friend? Yeah, what did that come

1223
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:06,000
Speaker 1: don't tell me. Also, the lensman project, which you and

1224
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: I have talked about before, but you're really gifted photography

1225
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: and in the eye, and you know you. We've been luck.

1226
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: You have to. I mean you took some nude pictures

1227
01:04:15,880 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 1: of me once and we well, you know, you hear

1228
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: chaps on. That's that's at Lensman, that Little Horse Quurt,

1229
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: and you can read all about it. Kylyn, do you

1230
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: have any question? One you want to ask? One question

1231
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 1: or no? You know, you've been here. She's never come

1232
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: to a single one of these. Ronnie, come do you

1233
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 1: have any she thought the number one actould be playing

1234
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: it our way. Well, he meant professionally. That was a

1235
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: friendship about. That's great to hear. Hey, and it was.

1236
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:48,680
Speaker 1: It was your people that came up with the moon

1237
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,160
Speaker 1: that dropped out. All this guy's like that's cheating, but

1238
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 1: asked like t steerhead that had a mirrorball on it,

1239
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: but they were like we can't find one anyway. Yeah,

1240
01:04:56,760 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: there's that. Almost I would know. It's terrified. I was

1241
01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: someone's gonna ask me to get come out, dance or something.

1242
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:05,960
Speaker 1: Just get out of here. But you know what, my

1243
01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: favorite picture of you, not that I look uh, is

1244
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,960
Speaker 1: on the your instagram thing, is you hanging out the

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Speaker 1: window of the truck with the Sonic Cup. My Wife

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Speaker 1: to this day and all the girls, my my uh niece,

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Speaker 1: runs all of our our touring stuff, but they're all

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Speaker 1: oklahoma girls and they walk around with a giant Sonic

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Speaker 1: Cup every day, all day. Yeah, well, it's been a

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Speaker 1: pleasure of my friend. It's really cool to hear about

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Speaker 1: your dad, honestly, and your wife. Like to be able

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Speaker 1: to kind of get into that a little because, you know,

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Speaker 1: on a twenty minute interview, if we were to normally

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Speaker 1: do that, I wouldn't kind of explore that area. We're

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Speaker 1: always working at a business. Yeah, yeah, but you like

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Speaker 1: that's really, really cool. I appreciate you sharing that with me.

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Speaker 1: You guys follow at Ronnie Dunn on Instagram, at Lensman,

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Speaker 1: obviously at Brooks and Dunn, and they just keep on

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Speaker 1: killing it and I'm gonna hit up kicks and be

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Speaker 1: like I need your consent to on the kicks and

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Speaker 1: if he says yes, I'm going to the show with

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Speaker 1: your heads and I'm gonna walk the red carpet speaking

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Speaker 1: for you guys. Know, I'll have him on the phone

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Speaker 1: by the time I give the front door. We're going on.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Buddy. Right