1 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: So I want to talk about the Jill Zarin experience, 2 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: which was really interesting, and I want to talk about 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: it and as entertains to the state of reality television. 4 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: So from what I'm hearing, Crappy Lake and I love Sonya, 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: I want to go on record saying I love Sonya. 6 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Crappy Lake is getting very, very crappy ratings. Like I 7 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: think the last episode was fifty thousand people watching it, 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: you know, on TV. Now they get other people with 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: streaming and things like that, but like it's abysmal so 10 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: compared to Yeah, it's just abysmal. And the state of 11 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: reality TV has changed too. And while Bravo's doing a 12 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: big spin factory on all the ratings, Real Housewives of 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: New York also the women seem lovely. I am rooting 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: for them. They I like the woman she's a real 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: estate agent. SI seems cool. Like they're out there fighting 16 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,040 Speaker 1: the fight. Jennas like sort of carrying the press and everything, 17 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: and it's great. There's a change that's gone on in 18 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: reality television. Anyway, the show on Bravo for the first 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: episode got like a million viewers, I think, and the 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: second one got seven hundred. And it will only go 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: down because that's just how it happens. And if anyone 22 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: cares about the finale or something crazy happens, people will 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: tune in again for the finale. TV has changed. When 24 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 1: I was there at reality television's peak, it was at 25 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: over three million viewers during like Scary Island, I think, 26 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: and during like is It About Tom and It when 27 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,040 Speaker 1: I was not there, it was like between one point 28 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: four and one point six. So ratings, you know, really 29 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: really can ebb and flow, and the advertisers really care 30 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: about the demo the specific group of women within that rating, 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: and it's been abysmo lately, and so I'm thinking about 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: the fact that it costs millionllions of dollars. I think 33 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: they had one hundred thousand dollars premiere at the Rainbow 34 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: Room and Media and the Refresh, and you know, I'm sure, 35 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: and Sonya and Lawan did a photo shoot and you 36 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,519 Speaker 1: see glossy pictures and they go on a promo tour 37 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: and Bravo has to pay for their cars and their 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: glam and they're gonna fight for money for outfits, and 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: you know, they send a whole big crew to wherever 40 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: Crappy Lake is and everybody's staying in hotels and you 41 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: see all the cameras, and I just saw Eugene Levy 42 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: shooting a travel show and it was like forty people 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: in crew and it's just bulky. And Jill and I 44 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: go on my podcast and shoot it effectively, mostly on 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: an iPhone, and we get three hundred thousand viewers. So 46 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: we're getting almost half the viewers that tuned into Housewives 47 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: on Bravo. With me calling her two days before her 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: showing up at my house and you know, my fucking 49 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: muppet show shooting it and also her and I. You know, 50 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: that has gotten half the views of what Housewives episodes get. 51 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: It costs us probably five grand to make. So think 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: about the millions of dollars that it costs an advertising 53 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: and makeup and photo shoots and one hundred thousand dollars 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 1: rainbow room party and all of that to shoot those 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: shows that are bulky to wait months to get that 56 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: content out because they have to produce it and edit 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: it and pay people in LA and get a time slot, 58 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: and the powers at b and the people on the 59 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: show have to ask Bravo what time they get to 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, and they have to pay the 61 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: cast a paltry salary, but still it's just a bulky model. 62 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: And then Jill and I do just me sitting doing 63 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: the podcast. So I'm airing the podcast, which I as 64 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: a podcast personality, own this podcast and make you know, 65 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: seven figures doing a podcast. So I'm already making money 66 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: on it. And then for fun, I decided to just 67 00:03:54,280 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: shoot it and put it on YouTube, and in one 68 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: day it's one hundred thousand years. It's double the ratings 69 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: of Crappy Lake, double the people watched it. I mean, 70 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: just fucking that's the way it is. Sorry, And on TikTok, 71 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I could eat shellfish in a bag, literally eating shellfish 72 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: in a bag, a grab bag of corn and shellfish, 73 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,039 Speaker 1: and it's international news and the Post is writing about it, 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: which costs me fifty five dollars for the place that 75 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: had a grab bag of seafood and my iPhone and 76 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: over a million people watch that, so it's crazy, and 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: page six writes about it. So the world is changing 78 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: in the world of entertainment and content is changing and 79 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,919 Speaker 1: it's giving, it's making room for the regular person, the 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: small person. And Jill Zarren wants to come on again. 81 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: She wants to come on again, and she knows she 82 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: made no money, and then I made no money on 83 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: the YouTube. I made no money. We've actually paid, But 84 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: who cares. She wants to express herself. Maybe she wants 85 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: to talk about her carpets, her rugs, her candles. Maybe 86 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: she wants to just talk to me. Maybe she just 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: wants to be free, not today, talk about something that 88 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: in four months gets to air, and she's got to 89 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: ask mission and feel like a degraded person who's a 90 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: grown ass woman who's made her own money, so to 91 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: get paid to fucking be dragged and accused and criticized 92 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: and being some cesspool with women trashing other women, like 93 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 1: for what for fucking fifty thousand people to watch Crappy 94 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: Lake or seven hundred thousand people to watch the Housewives? 95 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: And yes, I know the bravosphiebic, but that doesn't count 96 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 1: the downloads and the streamers and the puppet shows and 97 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: the monkeys and whatever. Like it's a spin. I could 98 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: spin that too. Mine doesn't count the impressions on page 99 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: six and the fucking monkeys and the donkeys and the 100 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: lions and the tigers and the bears. Oh my, but 101 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: straight up media viewers. We're getting way more than Crappy 102 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Lake and if you include social media, way more than 103 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,280 Speaker 1: housewives to fucking have you know, a muppet puppet show. 104 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,840 Speaker 1: So the world is changing and so is entertainment, and 105 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: the dinosaurs are walking the earth, and for once, I'm 106 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: doing something. In twenty twenty three, Heather Dubro bought a 107 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: house in la I think I knew that already. I 108 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: think they were living in a condo, but now they 109 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: bought a big house. Yes, she'll move over to Beverly Hills. 110 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: That would be great for her. She'd be a good 111 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: cast member there. That's where she belongs. She's come up. 112 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: She's got more money than any of them, to be honest, 113 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:28,479 Speaker 1: most of them are fronting and stunting. She's got real cash. 114 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Some of them do, some of them don't. But she's 115 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: you know the name of the game. There is cash 116 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 1: and Chanel and cash app Burzelle. So Heather will be great. 117 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: You know, she's got very interesting stories with her children 118 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: and their gender and sexuality. And she's married to a 119 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: plastic surgeon and they're still together and they're a good couple. 120 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: And I would just say to them, why the fuck 121 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you have money. Why are you doing this? I looked 122 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: at her, I met, I saw her. But listen, people 123 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:58,680 Speaker 1: love the fame and the light. And he wants to 124 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 1: keep making money and keep doing plastic surgery and he's 125 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: got his own show. And you know, in my opinion, 126 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: it's it's the Mouricio Kyle program where the both members 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: want the fame. Both members of both of these couples 128 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 1: want the fame bad. Okay, both members want it bad. 129 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: Both members want the money bad, and both members want 130 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: the relevance and what the fame brings into their businesses. 131 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 1: And there is no shade to that. It's just what 132 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: it is. So both of them, whether it's Kyle and 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,119 Speaker 1: Mauricio or Heather or To and Terry, they're a team 134 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: that come in and they want to grab the fucking 135 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,559 Speaker 1: bag and try to maintain a relationship and a family 136 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: and stay together. And who's to say that relationships wouldn't 137 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: suffer off reality TV. And if they're true partners and 138 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: if they truly know, don't hate the player, hate the game. 139 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 1: We're going in to grab the bag, you know, stay tight. 140 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: I just find it very hard. I think marriage is hard. 141 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: I think relationships are hard. I think LA makes it harder. 142 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a very superficial place. I think it's 143 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: a very competitive place. I think it's a very money hungry, 144 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: keeping up with the Joneses kind of place. I do 145 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: not think it's a private place. I think people hunt 146 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: for paparazzi. People like to be relevant, people want the light. 147 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 1: I think people compete with their spouses. I think there 148 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: can only be one peacock in a relationship. I think 149 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: it's a dangerous game when everybody's famous and on television 150 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: and in the media. I just think it's dangerous. But 151 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: there's always a price. So what's the price if you're 152 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money and then you're gonna 153 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: leave or you're gonna take some bruises, and that doesn't 154 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: matter to you, you know. And once people get a 155 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: taste of fame, they don't want to walk away from it. 156 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,560 Speaker 1: Once they get the hit, the vein is popping and 157 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: they want it. And in these cases, if one party 158 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: maybe wants to leave and the other one doesn't, then 159 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:48,839 Speaker 1: the one party might be like, well, fine, if you're 160 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: doing it, I'm doing it. I know that Kyle Paris 161 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 1: had the fame first, then you know, Kim Richards had 162 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: the fame first, then came Paris, then came Kyle. And 163 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: I know that Mauricio wanted the fame and the relevance 164 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: for his business badly and for a long time he 165 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: wanted it. And I also know just from being a 166 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: person and not divulging anything, I also know that that's 167 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 1: hard and daring for the main famous person. So Kyle's 168 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: the famous person. But in order to be successful on 169 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: the house was she needed to show her spouse and 170 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: really push Mauricio and have everybody think that he's the 171 00:09:29,960 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: hottest house husband, and all these things that have got 172 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: to be annoying. That would be annoying, And then the 173 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: infidelity rumors must be annoying. Then the door eat rumors 174 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: must be annoying. Getting robbed must be traumatic and challenging. 175 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: But she became not as famous as Paris, obviously, but 176 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: she became famous in her own right and then came 177 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: in Kathy. But Mauricio has wanted his turn. He doesn't 178 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: want to be the sidekick, the plus one. He wanted 179 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: his own thing, and he loves pushing his business, and 180 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: without Kyle, he wouldn't be able to push his business 181 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 1: the way that he has, and she pushed it to 182 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: so then he wants the fame and irrelevance too. He's 183 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: a hot stepper in LA. He wants to further push 184 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: his business wear the agency hats and clothing. So he 185 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: wants to further push his business. So he really pushed 186 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: for his show selling Beverly Hills or whatever he's selling. 187 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: And she can't really be on it because she's a 188 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: Bravo talent, but I'm sure she'll push that in her 189 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: contract cause he needs her to be on too, and 190 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: so does her network. So they've got a dual income, 191 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: dual fame program, dual business fit program going in that household. 192 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: The realm for them is big and it does not 193 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: come without a price. So that's what Terry and Heather 194 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: have been trying to do. He has his own show, 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: he's got his own program, and one feeds the other. 196 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: So don't hate the player, hate the game.