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Speaker 1: Please welcome to Money Making Conversation. Amon Joseph. Hey, hey, brother,

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Speaker 1: my man, so so so you're in Los Angeles right now,

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Speaker 1: actually from Hall of New York. I was born in Queens.

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Speaker 1: So but guess what's still there. The Apollo is still there.

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Speaker 1: But you know, but it seems like that's the this

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Speaker 1: I love talking to you man, You're also be talking

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Speaker 1: to Amon Joseph One of the stars of the FX series,

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Speaker 1: Uh Snowfalls. Uh hum A favorite? Can you come back

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