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Speaker 1: John Middelkoff in about ten minutes. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: the Dame drama in Portland's interesting. I think there's this

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Speaker 1: sense from a lot of fans. And I always try

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Speaker 1: And there's this sense by I think a lot of

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Speaker 1: fans that you're selfish if you leave a team like

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Speaker 1: And I think the opposite. It's true. If you're just

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Speaker 1: going to stay in any franchise that's not remotely viable

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Speaker 1: to win a championship, then you're basically doing it for

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Speaker 1: the Benjamins. You're just doing it for money. What's the

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Speaker 1: value of that? Like, that's just that's totally about self

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Speaker 1: But if you go to another team, Let's say Dame

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Speaker 1: best player on a team. That's giving.

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Speaker 2: It'd be the.

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Speaker 1: First time the ball wouldn't go through him. That's not selfish,

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Speaker 1: that's giving. He wouldn't be the face of a franchise.

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Speaker 1: That's not selfish. That's giving, that's relinquishing, that's passing a

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Speaker 1: baton to somebody else. That's the opposite of selfish. You know,

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Speaker 1: when Bradley Beal for years stayed in Washington, that was

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Speaker 1: all about comfort, making good money, and being the man.

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Speaker 1: And Bradley Beal finally went to management and said, I

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Speaker 1: want to go in some games. I'm going to go

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Speaker 1: somewhere like Phoenix. Well, when Bradley Beal goes to Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: he's not going to get the most shots. Booker Will

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Speaker 1: Durant may get second most. He's the third best player

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Speaker 1: on a team. That's the opposite of selfish. He is

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Speaker 1: And I think it's good for the league long term

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Speaker 1: if most of your stars stay. But one of the

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Speaker 1: things I've always appreciated about Lebron James is his ability

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Speaker 1: new cities. It's hard. He didn't win first year at

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Speaker 1: he didn't win first year in Los Angeles. Lebron James

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Speaker 1: was the best player in the league in all of

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Speaker 1: those and arguably the best player ever. Why because moving's hard?

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Speaker 1: Help the studio I'm in. I just sold this house.

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Speaker 1: I will have to move. It's a pain in the ass.

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Speaker 1: And that's just down the block. Can you imagine moving

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Speaker 1: your family into a new city where well, he's rich,

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Speaker 1: rich or not. Moving's difficult, it's discomfort, it's new, this

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Speaker 1: new that. So you know when I look at Dame,

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Speaker 1: do you just want to sit in Portland and collect

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Speaker 1: what you want? It's much harder, you say, Oh, you

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Speaker 1: go to Miami, greater expectations. You won't get every big shot.

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Speaker 1: You may not be the most popular player in town.

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Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler is BAM's got loyalists, the franchise, Riley Spolstra,

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Speaker 1: you're the new guy in town. If he goes to

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee and Yiannis, they've already got a ring before you,

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Speaker 1: So I look at loyalty as a two way street.

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Speaker 1: You know, Portland is a market that geographically pinned up

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Speaker 1: I mean they've never had an NBA All Star Game

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Speaker 1: they'll finally be able to get like a, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Dame's the biggest star in it. So I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's disloyal at all. I think you have to

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Speaker 1: pressurized situation. Riley's an icon, Spolster's Code of the Year.

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Speaker 1: Bam Butler just got to the finals with undrafted guys.

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Speaker 1: the finals. Who do you think is taking the heat.

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Speaker 1: It's not Bam, it's not Spo, it's not Butler, it's Dame.

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Speaker 1: There is a risk involved. The avalanche comes down the hill,

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Speaker 1: if you want to just play for the checks, the comfort,

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Speaker 1: taking some risk, taking some heat, and letting others watch him,

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Speaker 1: which he deserves. In May and June, still playing. Now

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Speaker 1: time for the volumes. John Middlecoff, the former NFL scout,

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Speaker 1: hosts two podcasts, Three and Out. That's his volume NFL

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Speaker 1: podcast and Go Low his golf podcast, which is gaining steam.

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Speaker 1: So I saw her. Mike McGlinchey, the new right tackle,

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Speaker 1: former Niner. Good tackle, not great, not Tristan worse, but

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Speaker 1: I didn't like Cross and now I watched this work ethic.

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Speaker 1: I'm into Russ and it is weird. When he left

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Speaker 1: thought he would have offended somebody, an executive, a sales guy,

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Speaker 1: a player, a coach, a trainer. Everybody loved him. Tears flowing.

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Speaker 1: Russ is there a third of the time, leaves Seattle

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Speaker 1: and gets dogged by everybody former teammates. Do you think

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Speaker 2: I think that plays a part. I think they were

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Speaker 2: think people think he's kind of a weird guy. And

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Speaker 2: I would say this quarterbacks. I mean, you've got a

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Speaker 2: lot of theories on quarterbacks. You go back to junior

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Speaker 2: And that's not always fair because just because you play

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Speaker 2: Russell really always tried to embrace that, right, he really

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Speaker 2: it's really hard, right like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady,

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Speaker 2: It's most you know, Rogers, all time great player, but

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Speaker 2: it's been very hit or miss over his career as

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Speaker 2: a leader. I also think just anytime that you play

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Speaker 2: Seattle going to win this trade? And it takes time,

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Speaker 2: but I would say they're definitely in the lead right now.

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Speaker 2: they had last year. I mean Gino Smith, just in

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Speaker 2: a vacuum, had a better season than Russell Wilson had.

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Speaker 2: How crazy is that? When you really say that out loud.

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Speaker 1: When Russ came out of the draft, that was in

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Speaker 1: your scouting days or around that time when you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was beloved. There was I remember

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Speaker 2: a story from one of our scouts that went through Wisconsin, right,

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Speaker 2: even do half the things at a pro day, right,

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Speaker 2: but he was. He back to just ten years ago,

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Speaker 2: everyone in the room was rooting for him and with

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Speaker 2: the Eagles. I mean, it's been well documented over the years.

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Speaker 2: Daniel Jeremiah loved him, Andy loved him, how he loved him,

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Speaker 2: like a guy at that position, why try to get

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Speaker 2: And look what happened to the Eagles, same type deal.

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Speaker 2: Most people, including myself, that Jalen Hurts in the second round,

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Speaker 2: the fourth. Well, I would say they don't regret doing it.

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Speaker 2: And Russell, I mean, he was really kind of a trendsetter, right.

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Speaker 2: I remember being younger and Doug Flutie. There were just

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Speaker 2: weren't short quarterbacks, especially mobile short quarterbacks, so he was

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Speaker 2: his time. Whether he's washed down, I will say this,

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Speaker 2: and I've been to several Seattle Niner games live, I

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Speaker 2: In his heyday, you know, he had some Steve Young

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Speaker 2: or some Sometimes I think we've kind of become numb, right,

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Speaker 2: everyone has a long twenty year shelf life. Well, some

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Speaker 2: long career. That used to be the Norton right, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And what I watched Russell. The thing that struck

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Speaker 1: just stopped doing it now. He would get into late

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Speaker 1: I'm going to theorize this. When he got the big money,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking you know, his contract was mahomes Ish

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Speaker 1: Peyton manning Ish.

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Speaker 1: When he got that big money, I think Russell said

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Speaker 1: the same size mostly as Tua, who has acknowledged publicly

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Speaker 1: there are times I can't see over the offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: So I think russcott stubborn. I talked to somebody who

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Speaker 1: he looked stubborn. Is that he there's much better angles,

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Speaker 1: this is my take. He kind of wanted to prove, Okay,

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Speaker 2: good coach. Right, but he has turned on some guys,

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Speaker 2: younger players or veteran players, or guys they've signed really quickly,

427
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Speaker 2: little John Grudiney and the rumors. You worked a lot

428
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Speaker 2: of guys probably at that old network with former players

429
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Speaker 2: that have been around Gruden, and they're like, God, one

430
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Speaker 2: day's this, the next day is this. And McVeigh. They

431
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Speaker 2: loved Allan Robinson, they gave him all the money and

432
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Speaker 2: then a year later hates him. You know, they love

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Speaker 2: Todd Gurley. Now that's you could argue just a young coach,

434
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Speaker 2: awesome player, probably shouldn't signed a running back. They regred

435
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Speaker 2: to that one pretty quickly. But he's he's shown an

436
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Speaker 2: inclination to just pivot really fast in a negative way

437
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Speaker 2: on guys. And look at the running back he had

438
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Speaker 2: turned on him and now he's a certain running back again.

439
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Speaker 2: Where I would say this, Kyle is a little bit

440
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 2: more of an old soul and Pete's pretty good at this.

441
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 2: Like they've kind of had a long rope with a

442
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Speaker 2: lot of guys. It's easy to always love Aaron Donald

443
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: or even just kind of you know, back Matt Stafford.

444
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 2: To me, it's the young guys are just gonna be

445
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 2: up and down and you kind of have to. It's

446
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Speaker 2: one of coach reads great strengths. He's very obviously he

447
00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:16,080
Speaker 2: will move on from a guy, cut him or trade him,

448
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 2: but he is patient. And I understand Sean's you know,

449
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 2: thirty eight years old. He's rich wood tight right or roll.

450
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: But that's one thing to keep an eye on. Can

451
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Speaker 2: he have if he's in it for the long haul?

452
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Speaker 2: Which I think is also a question. I mean, is

453
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Speaker 2: this is he any coaching five more years? Or is

454
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Speaker 2: he gonna is gonna the TV thing every single year?

455
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: Because let's say this year they have a bad year, right,

456
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: because they're an injury or two away. Now they're so

457
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 2: top heavy. If Stafford's elbows messed up and you know

458
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Speaker 2: they what stetsonvent would be their starter. Well, let's just

459
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Speaker 2: hypothetically say they win six or seven games. We saw

460
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Speaker 2: he does not handle losing well. I think a little

461
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Speaker 2: like Gruden. They run so hot they get to the

462
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Speaker 2: office and you know the crack of dawn while every

463
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Speaker 2: normal human, even high achievers, are asleep. It can't is

464
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Speaker 2: that sustainable? I see his wife's pregnant, Like, I mean,

465
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Speaker 2: is this again, if you had to bet over under

466
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Speaker 2: three and a half years as Sean mcvasil the coach

467
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Speaker 2: of the Rams.

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Speaker 1: I think I say he'd stay, but I don't think

469
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Speaker 1: he's a lifer. I go back to my theory. So Cincinnati,

470
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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor is off to Sean McVay tree. They bailed

471
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Speaker 1: on some high price defensive guys this year. They just

472
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Speaker 1: said we're out in our safeties. They spent two three

473
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Speaker 1: years ago a ton of money on guys. They just

474
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Speaker 1: bailed on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they got to pay the wide receiver right,

476
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Speaker 2: and then the other wide receiver next year in Burrow.

477
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Speaker 2: I mean, they got other guys.

478
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Speaker 1: So what Cincinnati, he's making the same bet. We're gonna

479
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Speaker 1: have one expensive edge rusher. We really like, we're going

480
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Speaker 1: to move off other high price guys. Kansas City's done it,

481
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Speaker 1: Rams are doing it now. These are all offensive coaches now.

482
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Speaker 1: The Niners, of course, because they're not paying Purty. They

483
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Speaker 1: can have a Fred Warner they uniquely built, right. But

484
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Speaker 1: it is interesting that when Kansas City moved off their

485
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Speaker 1: corner yeah Charvarius Ward, and I'm like, whoa, whoa. I'm

486
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Speaker 1: told that's a position of extreme importance and they just

487
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 1: moved off him and they went and drafted guys later

488
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Speaker 1: round guys, and they were good, not as good as him,

489
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Speaker 1: And I was like, is that something beyond just an

490
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Speaker 1: isolated move.

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Speaker 2: I think they had their BELICHICKI and offseason where they

492
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Speaker 2: pivoted off Tyreek and they had the extra first round pick,

493
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Speaker 2: and they kind of knew in the draft who they draft. McDuffie,

494
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Speaker 2: the corner from who ironically got injured, and the kid Watson,

495
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 2: the Washington State USC guy was making plays at the end. McDuffie,

496
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Speaker 2: he's a good player, He'll be fine once healthy. But

497
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Speaker 2: they the other thing called they drafted really well, that

498
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Speaker 2: there is a cohesion with Veitch and Andy. That's kind

499
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Speaker 2: of just like Belichick with Belichick, right, and those guys

500
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Speaker 2: know each other really really well, so they and it

501
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Speaker 2: all starts a little bit like Brady with the guy

502
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Speaker 2: at the top. I mean, their quarterback is just I mean,

503
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Speaker 2: he might just be an Alzheimer. I mean he obviously

504
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: already is, but I just mean, like, I mean, this

505
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Speaker 2: guy when the dust settles, who knows, I mean he could.

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Speaker 2: Why are they not going to win?

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Speaker 1: More?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean, is when it's all said and done,

509
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Speaker 2: is he a four or five super Bowl guy. I

510
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: know that's difficult, it's easy to say now, but he definitely,

511
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: he definitely has another one in him.

512
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Speaker 1: So it's interesting. So Pittsburgh spends a lot of money

513
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Speaker 1: on defense, Brandon Staley and Tom Telesco did, But don't

514
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Speaker 1: you think Telesco today regrets J C. Jackson and maybe

515
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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack.

516
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Speaker 2: They went and spent Khalil Mack to me pass rusher,

517
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: I will lean pass rusher. I'm a big believer that

518
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: you can get by on the edges of your defense

519
00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 2: at corner, in safety, coach them up and just dominate

520
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 2: the front because if you get pressure and you go

521
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 2: back to that Niner team in nineteen and you look

522
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: at this Eagle team now that they had good corners too,

523
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Speaker 2: Darius Slaytson, but there their front was. You and I

524
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Speaker 2: could have played corner some games because they've got three

525
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Speaker 2: or four double digit sack guys coming from inside, coming

526
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Speaker 2: from outside, because it's the one area in football where

527
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Speaker 2: you can just cause havoc. I mean, if the Chiefs,

528
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Speaker 2: I think they drafted Karlovskis, the kid last year from Purdue.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they drafted another front guy. If they

530
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Speaker 2: ever get like a one B to Chris Jones, it

531
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Speaker 2: might not matter who's playing the dbs because they would

532
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: just overwhelm quarterbacks. And I think that's what Telesco tried

533
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Speaker 2: with Khalil. I think Khalil probably just falls under a

534
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: lot of wear and tear on that body. Not a

535
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 2: speed guy, more of a power guy, and just yeah,

536
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Speaker 2: he probably regrets it, not in theory of trying to

537
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: get a pass rusher, but that individual player.

538
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Speaker 1: So I watched McVeigh, Reid, and Zach Taylor move off

539
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: defensive guys. Yet the top defensive spends in the NFL,

540
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: the teams that spend the most money Chargers Staley, Steelers, Tomlin, Seahawks,

541
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, and Bill Sean McDermott. I do believe when

542
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: the defensive coach leans into the ear of the GM.

543
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: I think Brandon Staley said we need to get a corner.

544
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 1: Sante Samuel is not it. And I look at Reid,

545
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: I look at McVeigh, I look at Zach Taylor. And

546
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,199
Speaker 1: by the way, this year the Eagles let go of

547
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Speaker 1: some of their defensive guys, and I want to let

548
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: go of their offensive guys. I think general managers mostly

549
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: control the draft take the Patriots out. But I do

550
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: think there's an influence. Often the coach in the GM

551
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: are Andy Reid and Brett Veech are different, but a

552
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: lot of times they're both like forty eight to fifty

553
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,360
Speaker 1: three years old. They're the kind of guys you could

554
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: see their wives go out, they go out for dinner,

555
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: they crack beers on weekends, maybe occasionally golf a little

556
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: more normal, Yeah, but it's hard less Snead McVeigh. Mcvay's

557
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: in his ear. Mcvay's like Ramsey or a better number

558
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 1: two receiver.

559
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,440
Speaker 2: Like I get it, well, Colin. I just think it's

560
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: the hierarchy of the guy the owner is. These coaches

561
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: now make anywhere from twelve Sean mc sean McDermott just

562
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 2: got a contract extension. That's not seven million dollars a year.

563
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: I mean he might be making fourteen to fifteen million dollars.

564
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: That's the going rate, right, So GMS they're doing well.

565
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: Beside a couple of them, most of them probably making

566
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Speaker 2: two three million dollars. So if you just look at

567
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: it in any hierarchy, right, who in any you know,

568
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 2: office setting has more juice the guy making three x

569
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 2: the other guy, and just I think the simple reality

570
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: of this modern day football GMS. Historically in all these sports, right,

571
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: I think, had more juice before the money. And now

572
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: when you get a high priced coach, if that guy

573
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: wants something, he's simply gonna get it. Now, some guys

574
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: are easier to deal with and less probably passive is

575
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: probably the wrong way to put it, but less just

576
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: kind of Belichick, run you over, I'm gonna do my

577
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 2: way or the highway. Are willing to listen. But ultimately

578
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: it's it's their ass kind of on the firing line,

579
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 2: because they're on the sideline, and I just think more

580
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: often than not, what they want and a lot of

581
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: times it comes from their assistant coaches, right Their coordinators

582
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: are pressing them, and that's kind of how it unravels.

583
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: And sometimes the GM and this stuff he rarely gets out.

584
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: And you got to know a guy pretty well because

585
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: that stuff gets out. Then there becomes a lot of animosity,

586
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: especially when it doesn't work. I just think the coaches now,

587
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: they just they make so much money, they have so

588
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 2: much pull with the guy that's signing the check, and

589
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: you know, if they ever need to get anything signed off,

590
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: they're gonna lean with the coach.

591
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard Sean McVay has gotten more and more

592
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: power since the Super Bowl.

593
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 2: How could he not, you know? I mean, it's just yeah, right,

594
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: with how much they're paying them and how much success

595
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: he's happened, He's the golden He's really the face of

596
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 2: their franchise, isn't he?

597
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: So finally, give me a bad team that you think

598
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: will be better this year, and the one I've thrown

599
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 1: at is Carolina. I like Houston a little bit, but

600
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: I don't know much about Demico Ryans. So Carolina put

601
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: together a very expensive staff. Bryce Young is arguably, outside

602
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: of Derek Carr and maybe including Derek Carr, the best

603
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: quarterback and division Frank Reich, if you go look at

604
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 1: his year, his best year with Luck, Philip Rivers and Wentz.

605
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: He made all of them their most efficient. So he's

606
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of a quarterback whisper. He's not going

607
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 1: to give a bigger numbers. But Philip Rivers was more efficient, Luck,

608
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 1: who could be turnover prone, more efficient? Wentz turnover prone.

609
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: Twenty seven t seven picks they let go. They went

610
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: and got Adam Thielen to replace DJ Moore, which is

611
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 1: a you know there's a gap there, but they do

612
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: have some money. Wouldn't be shocked if they sniffed around

613
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: Alvin Cook And my takeaway bad division, good staff, Bryce

614
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: Young's nobody has film on Bryce Young as an NFL quarterback.

615
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I look at their schedule, there's a lot of home

616
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: games they can win. Carolina is my bad team. And

617
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: for the record, John good front seven some good young

618
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: corners that were banged up like they have defensive pressure

619
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: on that front seven. Carolina is my team that will

620
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: surprise people double their wins.

621
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Speaker 2: What say you, I don't hate that. I mean best

622
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: coaching division by far. When you look around at the resumes,

623
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: you know I'm not going to go with the Raiders.

624
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: One team that I do think is talented and when

625
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: you watch them play last they beat the Eagles early

626
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 2: on in the season. The Washington football team Commanders whatever

627
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 2: the hell their name is, do have a lot of

628
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: talent at different positions. Now they're going with Sam Howe,

629
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: who's a fifth round pick, which on the surface sounds

630
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: pretty crazy anytime you start a fifth round pick that's

631
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: never really played, But it wasn't that long ago. He

632
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: was pretty highly touted as a college player. Now, the

633
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 2: other curveball is Eric b Enemy, which you know everyone's

634
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 2: got a different opinion. We're going to find out because

635
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: if Sam Howel's good and Washington is a double digit

636
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: win team, there's no I mean, he's going to be

637
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 2: a head coach pretty quickly, right, But they have defensive linemen,

638
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Speaker 2: they have offensive weaponry. Now they're head coach ron for

639
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Speaker 2: a guy that's been employed for a long time. He

640
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Speaker 2: doesn't win that much. But I do think they have

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00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: a lot of talent on their team. And look at

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00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: the division. The Giants. I think Brian Dable did an

643
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 2: incredible job, but their team is not that talented. It's

644
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 2: just not And the Cowboys at any moment, shit just

645
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: can get weird. Right, They're better than Washington, I'm not

646
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: arguing that, but it's just the Cowboys just can always

647
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 2: just blow up because Jerry says something weird.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Conservative, Brian Schottenheimer uber conservative, no Zeke Pollard

649
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Speaker 1: off an injury, and they have stated we want to

650
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Speaker 1: run the ball. It's like guys turn the page for sure.

651
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Speaker 2: And the Eagles are absolutely stacked and it feels insane

652
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Speaker 2: to think that they're not going to be a fifteen

653
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Speaker 2: to sixteen win team. But last year they kind of

654
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: had got to have a chip on their shoulder improved.

655
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Speaker 2: Now everyone's going to anoint them as just the clear

656
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: favorite and they are a roster will wise right there

657
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers. But I could see them

658
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: maybe coast in some games that maybe they wouldn't have

659
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: last year, and instead of winning fifteen games, they win twelve. Right,

660
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: so you have the opportunity. There's seven playoff teams now,

661
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: right because you get that extra. Look at last year

662
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 2: the Lions and the Packers and Seattle were getting in

663
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: barely over five hundred. So if you can get to

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Speaker 2: nine ten wins now at Washington, I think had seven

665
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Speaker 2: or eight wins, So they wouldn't double their win total,

666
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Speaker 2: but it wouldn't shock me if the kid is just

667
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: capable and the enemy is taking pretty good notes. He's

668
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: had a front row seat around Andy Reid for a decade, right,

669
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Speaker 2: so that they could be They got the pieces on

670
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Speaker 2: the team on both sides of the ball. I think

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Speaker 2: they could be a ten win team.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's crazy Philadelphia as good as they are.

673
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: Look at their schedule a week four to week ten.

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Speaker 2: Heard you talking about that Niners.

675
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Speaker 1: At Kansas City cross Country to Seattle Buffalo Rams. It

676
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: is a lot of tough games.

677
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: A lot of pressure to you know, Sirianni lost both coordinators.

678
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 2: He's not the offensive play caller, so they're Brian Johnson,

679
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 2: the former Utah quarterback who we've been talking about him

680
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 2: at different places for years. I mean, he has a

681
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 2: long resume, but he's calling the plays now, right. It's

682
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 2: not when someone leaves the Ram staff or the Niner staff, right,

683
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: you still know mcveig's calling the plays, or Kyle's calling

684
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: the plays, or Andy can call the plays. That's not

685
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 2: the case. So that is a dramatic shift of an

686
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,719
Speaker 2: offensive play call. Even if their defense improves a little bit,

687
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: because it had its moments were statistically like stats wise,

688
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: sacks and turnovers, they were good, but when you watched them,

689
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 2: there were definitely some hole. I mean Andy took advantage

690
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 2: of it. So maybe they're a little better on defense,

691
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,360
Speaker 2: but offensively, it's hard to be as good as they

692
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: were last year. I mean, he turned them on. At

693
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: any moment. They could score thirty points in a half

694
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't even feel like it wouldn't be fair.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're facing more elite quarterbacks this year. They're

696
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 1: just they're they're just facing mor Ma Homes Allen Stafford.

697
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: I think they they may have Herbert on there.

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00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, they do.

699
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: They have Russell Wilson now with Peyton.

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00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: So.

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00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean the way the league works, if you pay,

702
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,959
Speaker 1: if you play eight to ten Pro Bowl level quarterbacks,

703
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 1: you're not winning thirteen games. You're not winning twelve games.

704
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 2: Now, is there any circumstance that you would pick the

705
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: Jets to make the playoffs? Yeah, I Tua gets hurt,

706
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: which happens. Yeah, I think it's that simple.

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00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: I think it too. Have put on Yeah, and I

708
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: saw some video of two about three weeks ago. He's

709
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: obviously put on ten pounds minimum.

710
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

711
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: So, and he's practicing with the jiu jitsu instructor, how

712
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 1: to fall, how to be sacked. So I think the

713
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Jets will be fine. I don't think they'll be great.

714
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: Aaron's never had a battle line. And outside of Elijah

715
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: Vera Tucker, they got a rookie center. Questions at left,

716
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: Dwayne Brown, They're going to move back then to right.

717
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: They have a mediocre you know, other guard it's a

718
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 1: pretty average offensive line in a division. Belichick creates pressure

719
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb Miami and the Bills front Fangio. Yeah, so

720
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Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of places I like him.

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00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: But Aaron's never really been rushed in a pocket in

722
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: his career. Green Bay did a remarkable job to have

723
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Speaker 1: top seven offensive lines and never draft on linemen in

724
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 1: the first round, often not in the second.

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Speaker 2: Well think about this too, Aaron's had because the Packers

726
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,919
Speaker 2: only higher offensive coaches, He's never had a defensive coach.

727
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 2: So that offense. You know, McCarthy gave a play calling

728
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: at different times during his tenure, but you were directly

729
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 2: dealing with the head coach. Now the head coach, what's

730
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: Aaron's in charge of that offense? Right moving forward? So

731
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 2: if Nate Hackett is a little overwhelmed and the p

732
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: sure in New York, I think it could get weird fast.

733
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Speaker 2: I do think they have a lot of talent and

734
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: if he does have the chip on his shoulder, I

735
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 2: mean it was not that far removed from playing some

736
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 2: of the best football of his career, winning back to

737
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: back MVPs. Now DeVante Adams, they had a much more

738
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 2: stable operation going division was shittier in the NFC North,

739
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 2: But I do think there's you know, the Bills are

740
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,479
Speaker 2: they just going to rattle off the East every single year?

741
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: You know, things getting a little weird. The Patriots clearly

742
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: aren't as talented, but Bills, they could have a shitty team,

743
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 2: and they win eight games, right, seven eight games, so

744
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: they're tough. And the Dolphins, You're right, they're a big

745
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 2: wildcard because they have high end players. They're head coach

746
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 2: is a good play caller, and Fangio is i mean,

747
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 2: one of the best defensive coordinators in the.

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Speaker 1: League, maybe the best.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: John middlecoff three and out as Alas, the former scout

751
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 1: for the Eagles joining us. Great to see anybody happy.

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Speaker 2: Fourth Colin, save him to you

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Speaker 1: The volume