1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to All the Smoke, a production of The Black 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Effect and our Heart Radio and partnership with Showtime. Welcome 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 1: back Man, season two of All the Smoke. We got 4 00:00:08,680 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: a real special guys, what's up with your Brodie with 5 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: the virtual handshake? I'm gonna tell yall something that I 6 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: never told no back. I want to All the Smoke. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of All the Smoke. Jack 8 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: has been a minute since we got together. I'm happy 9 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 1: to see you, my dog. Yeah, I see you don't 10 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: really handshake. I know it's the pandemic, but how them Still, 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: it was just how cool lamb at this moment that 12 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: just seemed you know, yeah, just right. Got a weak 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: code three yeah nineteen to know what you is? I'm 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: s and one. Yeah, So we're good man. But we 15 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,000 Speaker 1: got a special guest today. Man. Uh, I can't explain 16 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: what this dude meant to me and my journey right 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: from the beginning. But we'll get into that obviously, But man, 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: welcome Hall of Fame nominee Chris Webber, Big bro Man. 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: Have the checkout Goustin Radio th night. Yeah, watch you hey, 20 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm glad to have I kind of call feelings that 21 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: I ain't been invited on, so we've been I've been 22 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: trying and you got the babies now too, So you 23 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: know what that dad's like. What's the dad life been 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: like during this pandemic. Obviously you get to spend more 25 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: time with him, but tell us what you got to 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:28,679 Speaker 1: about to be four year old twins? Talk to us 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: about that on the real This is besides going to work. 28 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,720 Speaker 1: It's the first time I've been around people in the year. 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: That's all. I want to have a drink with you. 30 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm your first brother and hugged and what I'm saying 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: for real, And so it's been you know, we've been 32 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,559 Speaker 1: to ourselves kind of, but it's been the livest moments, 33 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm there with him. It's 34 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: like I had no excuse not to be there, not 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: to be engaged. So we're doing everything. I'm you know, 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: I'm challenging them and my little girl know she's the 37 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: strongest girl in the world. My I know, you know, 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: he's the strongest boy in the world. We just just live, 39 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, just out there at the web state, out 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: there living good. What's uh, what's one thing positive negative 41 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: you took from I took being grateful. So for me, 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: like you know, you know, your mind's always working thinking. 43 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: I really like thought like, damn, my parents about to 44 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: be married fifty years. I got kids, my brothers are cool, 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, all the stuff we pray for. Like I'm like, 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: because you know, you just sit there and you take 47 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,640 Speaker 1: you take it all in from a minute, and usually 48 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 1: you get really grateful when something great happened and things 49 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: were going every day. I was just like, stay grateful. 50 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: You your parents alive, the brothers here, no one's hurt. 51 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: He got COVID, didn't matter, you know what I'm saying. 52 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: So the one thing I took away is be grateful. 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: And the other thing I took away is, you know, 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: when it's time to hit the ground running, Matt, I'm 55 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 1: gonna get back to myself and get back to to 56 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: working hard and living hard. You know I'm a little 57 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: excited about that. Well, that's the one thing to me 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: like taught you know, with obviously starting last year with 59 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 1: Cobe and along down the line, just to trickle down 60 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: effect of this negative ship. That's the one like you 61 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: gotta live and and normally it takes bad stuff to 62 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: make us realize how thankful and grateful we are, but 63 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: I think we lived a whole year of that and 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: it's on a whole nother level. It's been a crazy 65 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: uh NBA running the bubble and then currently what is 66 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, what are your thoughts on the NBA. I 67 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: mean you're commentating games now doing that, but thoughts on 68 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: just the current state of the NBA, considering the pandemic 69 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: we're in. You know, I didn't feel that, you know. 70 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: I'm glad the fans enjoyed the All Star Game, you know, 71 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,560 Speaker 1: but I didn't understand the time and of that with 72 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: everything that was going on. Um, I think the players 73 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: right now, I get them a lot of credit. I 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: don't know how to be able to to navigate with this. 75 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: You know, when they were in the bubble, man, I 76 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 1: was out there like eighty three days uh after the game, 77 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: stag like's no place to go relax, no place to 78 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 1: go hang out. I'm still with in the same hotel rooms, 79 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, just the hotel rooms. Mentally just in on you. Yeah. 80 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: So I mean these young casts, I'm not gonna lie. 81 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: When I went to the bubble and saw how they 82 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: handled it, and I was just commentating and I was 83 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 1: getting in and out of there. I was like, I 84 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: couldn't do it, And you know, so I think the 85 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: league is in a good place with the players, and 86 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: I hope that the game gets to be as beautiful 87 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: as it as it always is. But I hope that 88 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: it's less it's less specialists and more hoopers. You know, 89 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: I just want to see that, not that the specialist. 90 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: So I hope. I hope teams and analytics allow people 91 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: to play that style instead of just standing in the 92 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: corner play basket. But I agree with the way the 93 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: game is up and down, free flow, and you were 94 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 1: one of the early bigs to be you know, stretched forwards, 95 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: passing forwards. How do you think your your style of 96 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,280 Speaker 1: play would fit in the current NBA. I love it 97 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: play to day. When I played the big man, it 98 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: couldn't even leave the three on two drill down to 99 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: the sorry coaches man, Sorry coaches man. So yeah, I would. 100 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: I would have love to play today, especially on the 101 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: high post or the past or the handoff and cut 102 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 1: things like that, especially when I could jump a little 103 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: bit before. I would love it. So that's why I 104 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: love watching Yokish and be you know, I love watching 105 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys do their thing out there. Yeah. 106 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: I love playing today. I love what you enjoy watching today. 107 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 1: I like I like yokih I like him be when 108 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: he going to work in the post. I love watching 109 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Simmons on the break when he has the ball hardened. 110 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Kyrie with their handles, you know, I you know, it's 111 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: so funny getting of the season. So you know, I 112 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: done a movie with Kyrie. I don't know him. I 113 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: don't know if I ever talked to him on the phone, 114 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I got respect for these guys, 115 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: but I don't know them like that. So at the 116 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: beginning of the season, I'm with him and Harden. I'm 117 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: saying Hard and should get out of Houston. It's messed up. 118 00:05:57,240 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: He has a black coach. But Steven Silas gonna be 119 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: all right, man, did they hired the black coach just 120 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: so I can give you the guilt of the black player? 121 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 1: Like we do? You know what I'm saying. I'm like, 122 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: Hard to get out of there, because at the end, 123 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: we're gonna say you as a loser because you stayed 124 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: with this team. I know a little about that, so 125 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, Hard is the call man. I don't know 126 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,679 Speaker 1: the time basketball players shouldn't do any this then Kyrie. 127 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, he's incredible. I know he against 128 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: the media and were on the media side now whatever, 129 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: but I get it, you know, And I think if 130 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 1: the media looked at different personalities like wrestling, you know 131 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: what I mean, like iron Chic, you know he over 132 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 1: there in Nicolau Vocal even Russia. Like Kyrie gotta walk 133 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: up stick and he don't talk use that, you know 134 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, don't don't make him like everybody else, 135 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:43,119 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that. So I remember getting 136 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: the season saying, man, they're gonna be cold and have 137 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: I remember just seeing the hate from the media to 138 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: board and I was like, oh yeah, snap out of 139 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 1: remember you remember that. You know everybody got there all 140 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: terror motives with it. And it's funny. I said all 141 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: that to say, now it's funny that everybody loves you know, 142 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 1: Kyrie should be and hardened him going there getting assists 143 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: like that. Don't surprise me. No one blame Dan Tony 144 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: for the way hard and play. Nobody, nobody, nobody, Dan 145 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 1: Tony wanted him to play that way. He would tell us, 146 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: he would tell us like blame it on me and um, 147 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: so for you know, players today, I love the young 148 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 1: ones and I also love the oldham was just had 149 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: to go find their way and still reinventing herself. And 150 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: to me, Harden and Kyrie those my tooth, you know, 151 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,800 Speaker 1: two of my favorites to watch book or a lot 152 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of books, a lot of boys. I talked to Kyrie 153 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: all the time, so you know, we all been misunderstood 154 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: and that's just it. But when they're kind of playing basketball, 155 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: you can't tell him that. Well, you guys to talk 156 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: about you got a chance to play with Rod Strickland. 157 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: Talk to me about the similarities you see between Kyrie 158 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: and Rob because to me, Robert so underappreciated and respected. 159 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: But obviously Kyrie gets his jest serve. He's, you know, 160 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the best players we've ever seen. Yeah, I know, yeah, 161 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: and and this was dope. This is our job, in 162 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: my opinion, our job is to keep that respect right here. 163 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: But uh, to appreciate these young boys, but to let 164 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: him know who came before, you know what I mean, 165 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: because they ain't just start with with these young boys. 166 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: And I remember saying that people, Hey, why do you 167 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: always say Rob strick Because I played with him, the 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: coldest man never to make the All Star Game. You 169 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: need no disrespect to Connley. Conley was the oldest I 170 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: think of Connie ko. But if you like the best 171 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: finishing under six fo yeah handles that you didn't even 172 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: know how. He was driven and taped his fingers up. 173 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 1: One of the greatest teammates you have. And you can't 174 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: tell me that his father, Desert and Roger Strickland didn't 175 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: have an influence on this game. Because this little stuff 176 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: Kyrie do that I don't even I get excited in 177 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: the game, and I'm like, I'm not even gonna explain 178 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: that right now because y'all won't even get it. Like 179 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: when he doesn't end and out scoop left hand and 180 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: throws it up, that stuff that your brothers can't even 181 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: do what they right hand. But Stack, you know what, 182 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: you're right here. You you know how you can go 183 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: this far with you're right with your left he might come, 184 00:08:56,200 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: I mean, he go the same yeah he man, he he. 185 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: He has to be the best left hand. He has 186 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 1: to be the best off and finisher in the game. 187 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't even like saying the best, but I don't. 188 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,319 Speaker 1: I don't I can't even think of about it. No, 189 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 1: you need the skilled talented, and that's too like I 190 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,839 Speaker 1: took because like Jack said, you know, Jack is is 191 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: close to Kyrie, and I took kind of a different 192 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 1: approach when I would hear some of the things he said, 193 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: and that was my fault too. And I eventually hopefully 194 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 1: get him on the show and sit down and talk 195 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: to him, because to me, I just kind of wanted 196 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: to have a plan with everything he was doing that 197 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: I would outspoken against him, But then talking to Jack 198 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and getting more of an understanding for him, now I 199 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: kind of see what it is. And like you said, 200 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: like obviously playing against him and knowing Kyrie Irving the 201 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: great basketball player, I don't know the man you know, 202 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: and I think I think sometimes we forget that, like 203 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: we had the same reputation, even you had the same 204 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: reputation where they see a snippet of you and think 205 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: they know who you are and it's the furthest thing 206 00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: from the truth. But I like it very honestly, And 207 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: you don't have to play basketball to to have an opinion. 208 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,560 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people, but I like it when 209 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: we disagree because it's a point of reference. We come from, 210 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: and I could be like, all right, I trust that. 211 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: I trust him enough to let me think about the 212 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: other side and you know what I'm saying instead of 213 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: him just being here. So that's why I like our 214 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,719 Speaker 1: conversations or like him what we say about it. But yeah, 215 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: I was just saying more that off the course stuff 216 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: I really don't ever even listen to with no player. 217 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: I was just saying more with him, like he gonna ball, 218 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: like he wouldn't leave Boston, like a bad teammate in Boston. 219 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Whatever you want to say all this, but he's not 220 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: gonna do all that and not who you can't do 221 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,319 Speaker 1: all what you can say whatever you want, like Harden 222 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: is not gonna say this team not good enough and 223 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: then go there and they're trouble getting k D back 224 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: and maybe picking up up Big to shure up that 225 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 1: front line. I mean, I want right on anything I 226 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: wanted to. I want five g dog. I told him. 227 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: I told my little partner. I said, you know, I said, 228 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: Blake fooling that Blake fooling y'all saying, no, man, lois 229 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: his athletic not not as much athletic a believe as 230 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: he had. I could call Alo other weaker lose out athletic. 231 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: He can't lose. He can little tend interest and still 232 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: have a third and still be he come back and 233 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: talk and get a little smile. I'm like, yeah, that's 234 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: a big pick up. I mean, Jack mentioned that that's 235 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a real big pick up for them. If 236 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: you know, if his knees could stay what they need 237 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: to be, that's gonna be a scary team. Man. Take 238 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: us back to your upbringing, Detroit, the city, your childhood, 239 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,319 Speaker 1: and then going from where you grew up and played 240 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: to a school like country day. So I grew up 241 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: in Detroit. You know, my father, he's the smartest man. 242 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: I know, he's the man um. But you know, he 243 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: really grew up in the South. He really grew up 244 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: on the plantation. He really grew up picking cotton, you 245 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And uh, he had a tough 246 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,439 Speaker 1: life and he came to Detroit to work in the 247 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: auto factory. My mother, on the other hand, came from 248 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: a tough life, but she had you know, it was 249 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: a teacher and she was always going to school. That's 250 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: all I remember, taking us like two classes, some little thing, 251 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: giving us a piece of paper, right, playing on the floor. 252 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: She in the class or my father the auto factory, 253 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: and um, it was strict household, dog like it was. No, 254 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: it was strict. I'm the oldest of five. You know. 255 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: It was church every Wednesday, Bible class, church every Saturday. 256 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: Well seven o'clock at night. That's um choir reheards for 257 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: my mother's the choir director. You know how my son, 258 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: so I got the same. I got some video dog 259 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: on the show. I gotta say as a video. But yeah, 260 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 1: small church, like thirty people and seven of them is 261 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 1: my family. You know what I mean. You grew up 262 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: in the hood like everybody else, and um, like three bedrooms, 263 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: one bathroom. My brother used to pee on me. Shout out, 264 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: shout out to shout out to Jason. You think he's 265 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: some of your attorney in Atlanta, ladies, Yeah, if you 266 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: think he's smooth, No, but he used to He used 267 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: to pay on me so much. Dog. If we used 268 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: to sleep together. I have a towel on the on 269 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: the floor and I just picked the toller pick them up. Yeah, 270 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: I had to get to sleep, um man. I used 271 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: to cut out posters and my whole room was filled 272 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:12,960 Speaker 1: with posters. Big Daddy Cane Dominique Wilkins, things like that. Man, 273 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: I grew up in a great neighborhood, like fifty kids 274 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: playing basketball outside, tackle on the tackling on the grass, 275 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: you know, football in the middle of the street, and 276 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 1: um My Popster just didn't play, man, you know what 277 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: I mean. He used to used to beat me down 278 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 1: like if I was if I was wrong. You know, 279 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,719 Speaker 1: when I was younger and coming up, everybody in the 280 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: neighborhood had respect for him. Dog dealers, hoopers, everybody, you 281 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I get to eighth grade, 282 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: ninth grade, I want to go play at this high school, Southwest, 283 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: coldest killers ever went to Southwestern Anderson Hunt all these 284 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: other players. It's a funny story. Get me back on 285 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: in a minute. So, man, one day, I'm about thirty 286 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: years on, I'm hooping walking the ball. Used to call 287 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: it between your legs, and this dude come on with 288 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: some beat up George beat up Jorgs and he's like, 289 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: what's something, Like what's up? Man, He's like, yeah, Michael 290 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: Jordan Cousin. I'm like, you ain't Michael Jordan Cousin with 291 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: them shoes. Sean Leonard was moving in on the corner 292 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: of the street. So this is like thirteen. So but 293 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: Sean Lennard's here, you know what I'm saying, Like I'm 294 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: around basketball Graates, you know what I mean. So Sean Lenard, 295 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: Jayden Rose, Howard, Eisley, uh Quincy Bondes, a couple of 296 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,400 Speaker 1: other my brothers went to Southwest. So this is the 297 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: high school I want to go to Stack Like Damet 298 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: won the championship at seven or they had tried seven 299 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: times and win the championship. Everybody else had been winning. 300 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 1: You know, we want to Detroit to win. So I 301 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Southwestern Man and my AU coach 302 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: came told us it was a test for the school. 303 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: Mom's like, oh yeah, it's the test is free education 304 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: over there, you know, take a test to go to school. 305 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: And uh, I get in the split the whole AU team, 306 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: half of us getting the half go half dog, and 307 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: uh it was it was. It was tough because I 308 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: wanted to go to Southwestern. I was from Detroit. At 309 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: that moment, the story start being he not from Detroit 310 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: going out here and not at thirteen years old. This 311 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: is the biggest thing in the world. It ain't nothing 312 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: else you could say to me. And it ain't nothing 313 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: else you can say to me that that would hurt me, 314 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: except I'm not from you, you know what I'm saying. 315 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: So then they knew what to say at this time. 316 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: So I'm I'm thirteen, I'm playing this. But the whole time, 317 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, looking back, it was a wonderful time, a 318 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: long time. But it was like, Okay, I realized that 319 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: that point would it meant to go to work in 320 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: the darkness, like shut up, let them say what they're 321 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: gonna say. I can't be like I am I am, 322 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: I am that that ship don't mean nothing. You know 323 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,239 Speaker 1: what you're gonna do once you know, had that confrontation. 324 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: So um at that time, I go this little high 325 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: school and my pops, you know, you had a real 326 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 1: good talk with me. So the first year I tried 327 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: to flunk out. Yeah, I tried to flunk out with 328 00:15:54,480 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: my mom. She was I finally finally accepted. And we 329 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: had like four cats from my AU team go the 330 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: country day with Mi Yapo, Cab darl and so were blessed. 331 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,040 Speaker 1: We want Class C championship. So now I'm talking in 332 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: the paper like no other team is gone from Class 333 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: UP and one you know, we got five hundred kids. 334 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, we're going to Class B. We win that championship, 335 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: and then I'm like, let's go to Class A when 336 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: we'll be playing against J everybody else and they don't 337 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 1: let us do it. And that was really like my 338 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: high school, man, Like just it was I wanted to 339 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: go to this one high school and play there. I 340 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: go to this other school. I got to wear a 341 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: suit in the tie. I don't understand why my father 342 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 1: is listening to this woman about sports. You know what 343 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: I'm saying, this this my mom. She don't even like sports, 344 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:47,240 Speaker 1: mom as you listen to it about what school to 345 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: go to. And I thank them every day, man, because 346 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: my popsy wan't my friend, you know what I mean. 347 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: I ain't talked to him that year, like a whole 348 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: year the stack, I ain't talking the whole school year. 349 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 1: I wouldn't talk to me being the car like you 350 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you you know what I mean, 351 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: you're my son, Like you're gonna do what I say, 352 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: you know? And uh, it's just the biggest blessing of 353 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: my life. Man, Like I'm a friends there for life. 354 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: I realized, you know, certain stereotypes wasn't true about myself 355 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: about other people. I've never been scared of nobody since 356 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: them moments. You know you're going to kids and their 357 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: dad your billionaire. You see, he unhappy at home. I 358 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,399 Speaker 1: don't want what you have, right, I'm happy with what 359 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: I have. I do want some stuff though, I want 360 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: the pool and stuff you got, but I don't want 361 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: what you're having. So it was just a good lesson, man, 362 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: but you know, making it shorter than it than it was, 363 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: but it was. High school was the best and the 364 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: worst thing at the same time for me. M mmmmm. 365 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 1: When did you start receiving obviously you were able to 366 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: win three championships, when did you start receiving that recognition 367 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: as you end up being Mr Mr Basketball? But kind 368 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: of on the map, whether just eighth grade, ninth grade, 369 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: tenth grade. When when did you feel like you were 370 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: on the map? For whom I felt like I was 371 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: on the map? Probably when I went to like a 372 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: night snore and you turning with something I played against, 373 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 1: like Grant when I played against Grant Hill, Jamal Mashburn, 374 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: something I've never seen before. He's the same size in 375 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: the NBA as he was in name grade. You know 376 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:18,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, Hill, We've handled yeahs mash Org Hill. 377 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: I said, what when were you talking about? Though? I 378 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: was talking about Mashburn. He's the same height as he 379 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: was there, Mashburn. Um he was cold, Sean Bradley. I'll 380 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: see what happened to him. He was out there, so 381 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: um yeah, prayers are for him. But all all those 382 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 1: dudes were cold the time. But it's a funny story. 383 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: So I go to this little school. This this this, 384 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: this the best story. I gotta think. I go this 385 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: little school and uh, little kids, and I'm in seventh 386 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: grade and I'm like six three, six five or something, 387 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: and I get like sixty three points in the game. 388 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about basketball. I've just been whooping 389 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: in the backyard. So it's hard to whoop in the backyard, 390 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So in this game, I 391 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: do this, and they called the news out the next 392 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: day and and I go on the news and I've 393 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: never been on TV or nothing before. I don't know 394 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: what it is. I'm looking at the Floorida like, what 395 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: college you want to go to? I'm like, Michigan State, 396 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: this Magic Johnson. So at twelve years old, I remember 397 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: that night coming on. I remember how the next day 398 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: was different, you know what I'm saying. I remember family 399 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: member came over and speaking to me and they say 400 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: nothing to the to my brother's and then like you know, 401 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: I just just just people, little stuff. And that practice 402 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: led to me on the super Friends shout out to 403 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: super Friends. That's the single camera shout out to the 404 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: super Friends, the AU team back in the day. And 405 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: so that got me to play with Jalen and them. 406 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 1: And if I never would have did that interview, my 407 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: father never would have tried to put me in basketball 408 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: because he didn't even know I was hooping, you know 409 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So you know, I think that's really 410 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 1: to put me on the map in Michigan and say, 411 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 1: you know, this kid could be all right. It gave 412 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: me something to have expectations. I don't even know where 413 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: I was at that time. Cheers, They snuck our little drinking. 414 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: It is the first time I'm unable to have a drink. Yeah, 415 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: you know, Jack Jack converted now, so I understand much 416 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 1: respect one one time. Yes, it's been a years and 417 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: not to drink, man, I'm not I believe it. One 418 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: of the schools you took as serious candidates besides Michigan. 419 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:26,479 Speaker 1: When you say you started Michigan State, right, So I'm 420 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: just good. Yes, we get the buck. Yeah, I'm bringing 421 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: on when it comes. So Michigan State. I was at 422 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 1: Michigan State. I was. I was in Michigan State, locked in, 423 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: locked in coaches up to this day is one of 424 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: you know, I got love for coaches. So I don't 425 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: know him and I got love. Check this story out. 426 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: So so I go. So I'm going to Michigan State. 427 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: They got me. Now we could talk about a whole 428 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 1: bunch of other things because your wan recruited. We been 429 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: getting that. But Michigan State have me this early. I'm 430 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: gonna sign late, go to a football So I go 431 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 1: to Minnesota. My five visits of Minnesota because it's a 432 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: black coach. Um, you would d because it's a black coach. 433 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: And I want Detroit to know this is a place 434 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: where all the young boys should come and it's it's 435 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: a good place, dude, Michigan, Michigan State. So I'm at 436 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Michigan State. I'm telling him there sean rush, but he 437 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: all time they score that I'm at Michigan State. That's 438 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: the best visit. Magic and told me to come there. 439 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: You know, I don't even know Magic ment A one 440 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: time and he told me to come down coming. And 441 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: so I go to Minnesota for a visit. Now Minnesota 442 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: takes me on to a football game, and I'm thinking, like, 443 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: y'all don't even know how to recruit. Why would you 444 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: bring somebody that goes to Michigan football games to Minnesota? Y'all? Teams, sorry, 445 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 1: y'are playing this whack as arena. Ain't nobody here like 446 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: this is a hundred thousands, Like, don't do that? Take 447 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,959 Speaker 1: me somewhere, you know what I mean? Don't. So anyway, 448 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: I go to games. On the way out, they're playing 449 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: Michigan State. So on the way out, I'm just, you know, 450 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: a little kid. I'm following the coach, and the coach 451 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: takes me and I shake hands with somebody to sweet. 452 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: Promise you if this is the sweet, like just the 453 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: door to the sweet. I didn't step past this, So 454 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: shake hand. Boom right anything cool again? Home? The n 455 00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: C A a call, like what y'all? So they called 456 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: my coach and they know not to call me on 457 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: my pops because it's been bullshit the whole time. So 458 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: they said well, the fok, the athletic director of Michigan State, 459 00:22:26,760 --> 00:22:29,439 Speaker 1: took a picture of you shaking the hand through a 460 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: coke bottle. I was like, this can't be true. Coach 461 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: is a car was like that's all he said. That's 462 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: all he said, and he cried on the phone. It 463 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: was over. That was a violation for the hand you shook. 464 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: It don't even matter. Michigan State took the picture. You 465 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: see what I'm saying, y'all ain't gonna force me. You're 466 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: gonna force me to come? What you what you think 467 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna do. I think it's gonna make me come 468 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: with you. You don't know enough about me, because I'll 469 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: be on fire and be like if you put me out, 470 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: I put myself back on fire and funk you up 471 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 1: and then be like I'll handle I just got issues 472 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: like that, right, So they did that. My father he 473 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: already knew because he allowed me to pick where I 474 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: was going, and it was just like, damn, I can't 475 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,640 Speaker 1: go to Michigan State. So it was because I went 476 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 1: to a game in Minnesota. Michigan State told that I 477 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 1: shook someone's hand, and like judge, judge, he cold before 478 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,000 Speaker 1: he passed me talked about it. You know, it is 479 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: in his book, is all. We talked about it. But 480 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: that's that's a really big reason why I didn't go 481 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: to Michigan. You know what I'm saying. But Michigan was 482 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: sorry to years before. They were terrible. They were good 483 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: at eighty nine. We're talking ninety one. Now they weren't good. 484 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: As one had been recruit Me and Juan had been 485 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: cool since tim grade. Me and Jalen wanted to go 486 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: to the same high school. So Juwan just kept recruiting 487 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: as like, dog, I'm telling you this team, sorry, we 488 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: could be good, man, we could get time, we could 489 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: play with me. Can you can switch everything? That's all? 490 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,720 Speaker 1: He did the best job. He's like, you can switch everything? Yeah, yeah, yeah. 491 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: So you know, Duke Man, that was Duke might have 492 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: been my best visit, y'all. Really, dude, I know, I'm 493 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 1: about to tell you why. Because grand Hill, Because grand 494 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: Hill knew me. So grand Hill was like first they 495 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,239 Speaker 1: said they had no conditioning, no conditioning. I watched their 496 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: practice in college. Everybody had conditions. They played like NBA style. 497 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: They never got on the track. Then I went to 498 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: one of the classes whatever. That was cool. But then 499 00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: Christian later him and grad said, man, if you come here, 500 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: we know you you really donna want to go to 501 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: school here. I said, what it was like, you know, 502 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: you can take classes or whatever down the street at 503 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: the Black College. They said, they took me to the college. 504 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: They took me up there and it was man, it 505 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: was like, you know, I'm old schools. It was like 506 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: doing the ship like it was live. Man, I wanted 507 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: to I'm talking about. Man, that was the best visit 508 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: because it was a college right down the street. We 509 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: had a good time. They were partying, like on the Monday. 510 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: Like I was like this, you know, other colleges the 511 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 1: other recruitse tried to yeah, not take you out, and 512 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,360 Speaker 1: they took you out to the best. But you can 513 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: see that they really had a relationship with the Black College. 514 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: Everybody like what up? And there was parties and stuff 515 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: like that. And then just one more so my you 516 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: would d visit. So I go on the trip, your 517 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: d n um stay in the hotel downtown. It's just 518 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 1: the regular hotel to Poncho train, you know, and I'm 519 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: with KIV. Had to talk and blind drills. He was 520 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: doing it. That's what I was talking about that. Uh, 521 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: so I hear this so Church Brooke Birds rest in peace. 522 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: He was a coach uh Northwestern and uh I go 523 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: on this visit and it's just a regular trip. It's like, hey, 524 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: here's the city and all that. It's just funny. He's like, man, 525 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: thank you for coming. Man, I know you're not gonna 526 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: come here, and thank you for coming to use this. 527 00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: He like, you stay at the hotel, you know your friends, 528 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: you know, y'all could eat what you want the foods 529 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: there and that's that was it. So I bring my 530 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: friends up to the hotel. We're hanging out and know 531 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: all I kept hearing is I'm like something that's just 532 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: base coming from next door. Then kem go outside and 533 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: we're just hoping somebody walk out or something. And somebody 534 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: walk out. It's Luke Skywalker Warren Sap and I'm talking 535 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:31,879 Speaker 1: about this is like ninety three and just it was 536 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: like I was wondering, did you indeed playing this? Because 537 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: if they did, it was it was it was the job. Yeah, 538 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like it. I never seen it 539 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: was a live concert in Luke's room. You know what 540 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like, I I just I just never seen nothing, 541 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: and I remember thinking like my mom and it was like, 542 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: how was your trip? Baby? How was this? I was like, yeah, 543 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: it was good. You know, I don't think they never 544 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: heard it to them and I can't even tell it 545 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: like I want. But so those were the schools that 546 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: you know that I looked at. So you end up 547 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: in Michigan with the number one recruiting class, a lot 548 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 1: of hype around your your team, but off not not necessary, 549 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: off the core, but outside of playing. The style, the swag, 550 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: the fashion, the cultural shift you guys brought to the 551 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: game is something that will never to me. It can't 552 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 1: be duplicated because, like I said, there's everything from here 553 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: on out to me after it's kind of low key biting. 554 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: So where did those thoughts and in ideas and how 555 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: were you guys able to actually make it come to fruition? 556 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: I mean, black socks, black shoes, baggy shorts, like that 557 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 1: wasn't the style or that wasn't status quo, and you 558 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: guys turned that all around the black bark co right. 559 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 1: I had to get them. That was the first real 560 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: pair of shoe, like expensive pair of shoes my mom 561 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: ever bought me. And I wasn't bitches until my sock 562 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 1: came out the bottom of What year was that, ninety four? Yeah, 563 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:04,160 Speaker 1: I was like junior high. Shout out to Jalen Rose too, 564 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: Juwan Howard Ray Jackson, Jimmy King. Yeah, the Texas the 565 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,199 Speaker 1: textab boy was crazy, but I was having the ray 566 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: to day. I mean, y'all, y'all, y'all really think different man, y'all, y'all, 567 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: I love it, y'all think different man. Hey, that's the 568 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: first one I called him too, you know what I mean. 569 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 1: But it's just a blessing dog. All it was was 570 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: everybody brought their ship with him from where they came. 571 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: That's that's all it was. Joan Jowane shouldn't be alive, man, 572 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: he was where he is Chicago. He should not be alive. Dog. 573 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: That's why you see him smiling and so happy, and 574 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 1: that's why you see hm about the killer coach. You 575 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean. He should not be here, you 576 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Those games were small to us, No, 577 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: you know, no, not putting no ship on nothing. You know, 578 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: the first a game I go to a point guard trip, 579 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: you taking a point guard got killed the week before, 580 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, so we we we were in this state 581 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: of mind, like can't reach eighteen. Nobody liked Detroit, c 582 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Ia put coke in Detroit. You know, all this stuff 583 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: that you're thinking, man, and so being able to have 584 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: someone like Jalen that I knew it was crazy serious 585 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: because we knew that we already had to fight a 586 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: narrative in Detroit. Ray and Jimmy coming from Texas they 587 00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 1: already felt the same way, and Juan from Chicago. So really, 588 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: I remember the first time we all met each other. 589 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: It was right in front of the dorms. I'd already 590 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: met Jimmy because McDonald's and Juan and Jimmy, but with 591 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,360 Speaker 1: Ray and we started playing basketball. I went up to 592 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: the seventh floor, turned the music on, and that's that's 593 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: like the first and the last thing I remember, you 594 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: know what I mean, whether it's the time out, whether 595 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: it's winning, whether it's this, whether it's somebody on that 596 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: first because it was real like like like like how 597 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: it's crazy to be sitting there with you after you know, 598 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 1: as you know, I was saying, like it's really you 599 00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: can't even put in the words since seen really is. 600 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: So when we're on there, we wearing long shorts. Is 601 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: because we had cut off shorts, and when I grew up, 602 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: you couldn't wear one tight because I mean, you ain't 603 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: have money. If I could see your socks and you 604 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: was high water, it wasn't because it was your style. 605 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: Because that's all happened, right. So we grew up with 606 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 1: all these little things and we was like, you know, 607 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: we're wearing baggy shorts or you know Ray, Ray did 608 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 1: the socks. He was in Texas, and the true story 609 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,479 Speaker 1: is Ray was pissed because he wasn't getting a lot 610 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: of playing time. Yeah, Ray, you know, I been thinking 611 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 1: about transferring and he came in with some Texas boys 612 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: about to play rice. And you know how this when 613 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: you go into somebody else town, you're gonna show your 614 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: ass for them. And so Ray bring these black socks 615 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: in and we're like, what's that. He like, I'm wearing these, 616 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 1: and I was like, you ain't wearing them. I'm wearing 617 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: Then we got to go back to the law, homeboy, 618 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: and it's raised I did. We all we all were 619 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: the black socks. And what was so one thing that 620 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: was dope about the coach. Fisher pulled me to the 621 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: side after we wanted and he was like you know, 622 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: yeall like the black Shots were like yeah, we like 623 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: the black Shots were, don'na keep wearing them. He was like, 624 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: that's cool, except the only thing is only y'all five 625 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: should win? What should everybody win? Right? Question? Coach? You 626 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: you're right man? And that was like another moment of 627 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: the second year, bringing us all together was like you're right, 628 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, because we were wrong about that. I mean, 629 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: I'm glad we did it that way truthfully to make 630 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,000 Speaker 1: a statement like the world don't love us, but come on, y'all, 631 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: you know we can't keep this to ourselves. Family. So 632 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: those those brothers, man, I was you know, thous were 633 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: some of the realist that moment, that team, the Pistons 634 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: team the end of my career, you know, our relationship 635 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: and others in Sac. You know, those are the moments 636 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: that I cherished, those kind of crazy memories that had 637 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: nothing to do with being on the floor. Actual who 638 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: you guys did you know accomplished so much in in 639 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: such a short amount of time, you know, with all 640 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: the accolades, big games, losses, Like you said, the time 641 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: out is the one thing you take is at that 642 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: moment right there, is that the one when you say, 643 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,360 Speaker 1: when you look back Chris Webber, Michigan, the five five, 644 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: what's the one thing that you hang your hat out 645 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 1: and stands out to you that it's just that that 646 00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: sums up that moment. Damn man, that was a lot. Yeah, 647 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: that was a lot. Yeah, I know, I don't think 648 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: I could pick one. Yeah, that was a lot. I 649 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,719 Speaker 1: don't think I could. But you're putting a lot. You're 650 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: putting with a loaded quuture. Yeah, it's a lot of music, 651 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: personal situation. You're putting music. You're putting the whole culture 652 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240 Speaker 1: just on y'all backs at that time, you know what 653 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,360 Speaker 1: I mean. Like, that was a lot, and it was 654 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 1: to me, like I said, it was a smaller It 655 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: was a two year window to be real with you, 656 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because he was too and 657 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 1: done so to affect to have a lifelong effect on 658 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: culture as a whole when it pertains to basketball, you 659 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: know what I mean. To have one of the greatest 660 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: young teams in the history of the game. Um, unfortunately 661 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: felt short two years in a row. But like I said, 662 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: you guys did so much for the game and for culture. 663 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: That's what was Is there any one thing that sticks 664 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: out there is just that whole moment is what it is. 665 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 1: I think it's the whole moment, man, because it's so 666 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 1: many things you do now, Like the players are looking 667 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: rob and with two tattoos and be like tattoos, but 668 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: they don't realize that day it was like having a tattoo, 669 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was the small 670 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: things like at that time, man, I felt like the 671 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,720 Speaker 1: world was changed, like even with little things like um 672 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: and Living Color was on TV. What I'm saying, little 673 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: things like that. So I definitely want to take the credit. 674 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: And we did it, but it was the energy of 675 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: everybody at that time. Black people was coming up. He 676 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: wasn't taking it no more. We saw all these other expressions, 677 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: all these other things, Like I remember we won the 678 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,479 Speaker 1: game and we jumped on the scores table and did 679 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: hip hop and ran had the whole crowd doing it. Right. 680 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm just doing it because I love hip hop and 681 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 1: I want to feel like around. I want to I 682 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: want to know how y'all do it. And I remember 683 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: the criticism they came after, you know what I mean, 684 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,160 Speaker 1: Like when I really think about it, man, dog, I 685 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: was eighteen getting death threats, Dog, You know what I mean, 686 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm talking hand for having fun though you ain't letting 687 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:18,160 Speaker 1: these five black guys what these niggers up here doing 688 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 1: like I'm talking about like it was crazy, you know, 689 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: to the point where I'm worried. And now I got 690 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: my voice from the coming sitting by my parents again, 691 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 1: it's you know what I mean now, but it's a 692 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 1: different time the web. Two. Not to cut you off 693 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,799 Speaker 1: because it's common now because social media, any coward has 694 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: a voice, But back then they had to like, really, 695 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: somehow get that ship. This is the early nineties, so 696 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 1: it had to be like a handwritten letter. There was more, 697 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: there was more hate behind it. Yeah yeah, and it 698 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: makes you too, you know at that time. Now these 699 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,439 Speaker 1: are all good things because you can't have courage without fear. 700 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:50,719 Speaker 1: So so I'm not gonna act like nobody was a 701 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: scar these times. But I really have to think our 702 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: parents because your question, it's like, what what got it was? 703 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: We were built for the hell I'm gonna cry about this. 704 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680 Speaker 1: My father came from you know what I like, it's builtful, 705 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. My mother she like when 706 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: I went to Dukes, she like, um, yeah, you like that. 707 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: You like architecture, right, so you like the architecture, like, yeah, 708 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: she's like a black man designed all of the himn't 709 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,919 Speaker 1: getting no, you know, I mean like they are. We're 710 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: ready for it, you know what I mean. That's why 711 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me j or TV now, it doesn't 712 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: surprise me other things. So you know, I can't take 713 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,319 Speaker 1: one moment, I just take all of us. It did 714 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 1: a lot for us, man, because growing up, we like, 715 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: we watched y'all when we watched the Baby, because we 716 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: felt like we were y'all, like these are five guys 717 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: that's the best from the bottom, that's the best confidence 718 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,080 Speaker 1: and and and they're supporting each other. And another thing 719 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,600 Speaker 1: we talked about Big three. You can never duplicate the 720 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: Fab five. We're talking about Big three right now they're 721 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: talking about Big three teams. Why ain't nobody talking about 722 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: the Fab five Because you can't duplicate that. It was 723 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: y'all was meant to be the cornerstone and the culture 724 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: at that time. Bro, you know what I mean, we 725 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: appreciate it because it didn't a lot for us. I 726 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,719 Speaker 1: appreciate the fact you said that you saw yourself on us. 727 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: I promise you that's why I used to be like 728 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: at the game, I used had tears in my eyes. 729 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: Our mom is watching the game, or you know, even commentating, 730 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: like some of the reason and some of the ways 731 00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 1: I commentates on purpose because I know what they said 732 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: about we cut our hair. We cut our hair. Dog. 733 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 1: It's like my father always, you know, my father, my father. 734 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: People think Joan, my father's Joan. There. My father looked 735 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: like Mohammed and I led him Will Smith like all 736 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: that he had the same army haircut and and we're like, 737 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna make you cut your hair, pretty boy. You 738 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: know we go to the final four, you gotta cut 739 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: his hair. Ball all of us cut out hair. And 740 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,239 Speaker 1: I remember the game. You know, my mother she just said, 741 00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: you know, I was messed up. You know they said 742 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: y'all look like dougs. But she wanted me to hear that. 743 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, you you want to see you 744 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,279 Speaker 1: want to see what this is on the court. And 745 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,919 Speaker 1: that's really show I asked today. So we were built 746 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: for and we had a lot of people. So many 747 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,959 Speaker 1: people support us, man and give us that energy because 748 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,200 Speaker 1: it was a lot to carry. Maybe maybe not, you 749 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,440 Speaker 1: really don't remember, but I remember the love, especially for 750 00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 1: your age, though, that's a lot to have on your shoulders. 751 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 1: I got the pictures my whole team six State championship 752 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: old team hand because y'all did it. Yeah. Yeah, So 753 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,719 Speaker 1: obviously there's been talks. And since I feel like you're 754 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: my big brother, I'm gonna go ahead and ask you 755 00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: that at the thirty thirty dot came out you weren't 756 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: involved in it. Where did the Fab five situation gone wrong? 757 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,000 Speaker 1: And is it right it today? Yeah? So I don't 758 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: think the fab fire situation ever went wrong? Okay, you know, 759 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: like I said, I mean I talked to Time, right, 760 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 1: so I don't know outside looking in. Yeah, I talked 761 00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: to Catch too much. You know, if if they if 762 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,479 Speaker 1: this was a lot, they'd be trying to text nine 763 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:52,360 Speaker 1: tuk up the interview. But I would say that, I 764 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,399 Speaker 1: would say that the deterioration of me and j Rose 765 00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: relationship could probably have an effect on every you know 766 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and so I've always tried to be careful, 767 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: but you're my brother, and this we're just gonna do it. 768 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 1: I've tried to be careful of how to talk about 769 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: my relationship because you don't understand I'm I'm the oldest 770 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,359 Speaker 1: of five. So my mother taught me a couple of things. 771 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 1: If I'm fighting my brother in the street and the 772 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: stranger try to break us up, beat the a and 773 00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: get back to fighting at like, how do you How 774 00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: the hell are you getting an offer? You know what 775 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean? When we love each other, we fight, So 776 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 1: that's one thing. And then just it's not fair to 777 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: say my side without someone they're saying that side. And 778 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,360 Speaker 1: I feel like the whole time it has been a 779 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:42,160 Speaker 1: negative coming at me. Like I felt like, damn at 780 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: all people that hate me and all the white people 781 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 1: all listen all that that's been trying to get me 782 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: for years. You you you yeah, that ship hurt me 783 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: to my court. Dog. I'm holding in tears right now, 784 00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,400 Speaker 1: right but I'm not perfect. I'm not saying that. So 785 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: this ain't no sides or nothing. It's just someone my 786 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: brother's show telling you what happened. So with that, and 787 00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big brother, so I know how to 788 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: get out the way. Matter of fact, I get out 789 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: the way too much. So I just want people at 790 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day that the brothers to remember 791 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 1: they don't love us. That's all. That's all I know. 792 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: They don't love me, and you can be a good 793 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: man knowing they don't love you know, my mother used 794 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: to have a saying, you know, who are they to 795 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 1: be equal to whatever that whatever that means a basketball 796 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: player for forty years, just a businessman, who was he 797 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 1: to be equal to? You know? We you know, you know, 798 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: so you know I was, you know, I was. I 799 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:56,000 Speaker 1: think that me being like damn, you know what I mean, 800 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,480 Speaker 1: like things said you called time out on purpose things 801 00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,759 Speaker 1: and it said like you lied in court like that? 802 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 1: Would that would hurt any real one with knowing that 803 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: you righteous, with knowing that you don't do nothing to 804 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: especially to your brother in that form we like you said, 805 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: we're not perfect, but in that form to initially hurt 806 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: you as a brother, that showed her brow. And it's 807 00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,320 Speaker 1: this song, uh stars, this is this is those songs, 808 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: an old song in the seventies. I think in this 809 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: Jian Jan this I don't know a name, but janis 810 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 1: jopling Jane's iron. It's not jobbing. I know what we're 811 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: talking about. I'm probably chopping this girl name. But she says, uh, 812 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: how do you make amends without defending? Like if I 813 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,279 Speaker 1: say to you, you know, stock Man, you ain't never 814 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,360 Speaker 1: you don't you ever come back and come to the 815 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:48,080 Speaker 1: point you address it. At some point You're gonna have 816 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, dog, you know what happened, right, 817 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, And I don't. I don't. 818 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that because I'm working on 819 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: I've been working on forgetting this dog, because I want 820 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: God to forgive me, you know what I mean. Like 821 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 1: when it talks about forget sometimes sometimes like it just 822 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: click with me. It ain't forget that many times. It's 823 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: that might take that might that might be how many 824 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,200 Speaker 1: times you gotta forgive? You know what I mean? Because 825 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: I could be late again today, like you have to 826 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: forgive me again. You have to forgive me again, you know. 827 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,760 Speaker 1: And I want out forgive me. I want to forgive 828 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,680 Speaker 1: this for my brothers. I want you know and so 829 00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: but what I've learned is I can forgive you without 830 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,239 Speaker 1: fucking with you. I love you from a distance and 831 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,400 Speaker 1: I would tell you this. We're brothers, and I know 832 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: it'll it'll I know you know again we're brothers, so 833 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, but I've never said nothing about it. And 834 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: I'm just like you got the biggest media company in 835 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: the world. Yo, biggest doc ever. I hope you're on 836 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:56,200 Speaker 1: the story. I hope you're on that because but but 837 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: but that's to see me being laid back, trying to 838 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: be cool and not saying nothing. That's God also saying like, Okay, 839 00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: you better quit running from confrontation and tell your story 840 00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 1: because you got a sun coming up. You're gonna let 841 00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,200 Speaker 1: him think. That's what this. That's why I got the 842 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,759 Speaker 1: book and adopt and I'm gonna inspire some mother for 843 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,640 Speaker 1: kids because I'm gonna really show you what it's like. 844 00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: Like I'm not embarrassed to what my father came from. You. 845 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: I wouldn't beat me without him right now to let 846 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,400 Speaker 1: him know like this this let's go. You know my 847 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 1: mother too. So if that inspire somebody else through the 848 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: pain I already had, now it's it's a lot of pain, 849 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,320 Speaker 1: but it's you already had it. It ain't like you 850 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, So you might as well do 851 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,800 Speaker 1: something with it, you know, from it, you know what 852 00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean? So Yeah, I can't wait to like, you know, 853 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,879 Speaker 1: tell a couple of stories and things like that. Yeah, 854 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 1: And we've been working on it for like dog, we're 855 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 1: working on this for like eight years. Man, the book 856 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. 857 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: I won't let nobody else write it. I got two 858 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:49,880 Speaker 1: great researchers. How I started writing the book, I had 859 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,640 Speaker 1: a stenographer coming to the house in Malibu sign a 860 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:59,839 Speaker 1: n D A Rotes and um spit, just emotional vomit. 861 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,080 Speaker 1: Then I would look and be like, oh my god, 862 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,719 Speaker 1: now let me go back and research. Then we would 863 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: have a dot and we're going to now while Peters 864 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,600 Speaker 1: doing the dot. Okay, can I interview you after? Okay? 865 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:12,200 Speaker 1: Because it wasn't like I have to do it by myself, 866 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,880 Speaker 1: because I could follow this and so you know, uh, 867 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,759 Speaker 1: you know, it's the toughest thing and and the best 868 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: thing I've ever done, because you've got to own up 869 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,719 Speaker 1: as a man too again and ain't just oh this guy, 870 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: this guy, I'm I'm more at far than anyone in 871 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,720 Speaker 1: this world. That's the way I started every problem, starting 872 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,400 Speaker 1: to things right here. Once you can be real with 873 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 1: yourself and what people do. Understand when you're forgiving somebody, 874 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,239 Speaker 1: it's not for them, so you can let go and 875 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: move on. I don't know, I might not be involved 876 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: with you, but I mean I might not hate you 877 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:42,080 Speaker 1: and be around you, but I just know how to 878 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: move on without you. And it's that simp and I 879 00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,000 Speaker 1: love you from afar like doing. But the deeper thing 880 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: than that is being able to forgive yourself, because like 881 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,920 Speaker 1: you said, we're not perfect, and that's the motherfucker. Forgiving 882 00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: yourself is a like to me because I'm doing a 883 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: dot too, and I'm seeing a bunch of amazing mom 884 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,480 Speaker 1: getting chills talking about us, seeing a bunch of amazing 885 00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,520 Speaker 1: memories photos of my mom when she was alive, her 886 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:04,400 Speaker 1: talking on the news for the ship happened to me, 887 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,080 Speaker 1: and just seeing all kinds of ship. But then thinking 888 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,560 Speaker 1: back on my past, like all the mishaps that have happened, 889 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: like finding my part in it, and obviously it wasn't 890 00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 1: just me, but I played a part in it, and 891 00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: being able to forgive my part in the situation helps 892 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,240 Speaker 1: you forgive somebody else, because it's everything starts here, everything 893 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 1: everything starts here. So to be able to forgive yourself, 894 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: that's what I wanted now seeing how you kind of 895 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,400 Speaker 1: laid it out, how dope is it kind of like 896 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,959 Speaker 1: coming across that you forgot or seeing like great parts 897 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,120 Speaker 1: of your life, Like, damn, I forgot about that. You know, 898 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 1: it's fun up about basketball sports. We've talked to let 899 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,400 Speaker 1: that ship go. Now, that's that's good. Everything has a 900 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: flipped corn. Yeah, forty to night and let that ship 901 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:56,280 Speaker 1: you got in the game tomorrow. She but let it go, okay, 902 00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,600 Speaker 1: because you know, when we could, we could keep being 903 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: like all you know, got to the sweet six team, 904 00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 1: I can't celebrate. You got one night to celebrate, and 905 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,320 Speaker 1: I always say one night to sing. And so with that, 906 00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: I put a lot of memories in the back appreciate, 907 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: not appreciating it, living in the moment, and truthfully, I 908 00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: wasn't appreciate it. But it was not not trying to 909 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: appreciate it. It was I gotta keep living to get 910 00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,480 Speaker 1: to a moment to collect these memories, to sit down 911 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:20,960 Speaker 1: and say thank you God, I appreciate It's like I 912 00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 1: gotta keep going, like because the minute I sit and 913 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,160 Speaker 1: appreciate it, you're gonna lose anything. It's gonna you know 914 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But but that's that's fear that you 915 00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,360 Speaker 1: know we have. We have talked that about, you know, 916 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: all that good stuff. So that's what I told you 917 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,839 Speaker 1: at the beginning. It's just been good, this ship. Being 918 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:38,320 Speaker 1: thankful dog Like, remember how crazy and all that you 919 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,320 Speaker 1: were like in high school? I think what was my 920 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: mind like with the fire fire college high school? It 921 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 1: was I was just thankful, man, grateful, like I have 922 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 1: signed up for this everything. We've been through a few 923 00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 1: team and I'm like, what, that's it as hard as like, 924 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,840 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I just try to 925 00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,920 Speaker 1: keep that focus because when you're grateful, yeah, more patience. 926 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,720 Speaker 1: You know, you're a little bit wise and you're more aware. 927 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: You know, for me, you comment down a little bit. 928 00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:06,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, man, that's that's it's been good. I appreciate you. 929 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: Like I said, you don't talk, but like I said, 930 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,279 Speaker 1: me knowing you and seeing all this ship, I'm like, 931 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:15,400 Speaker 1: that's nah nah nah. But the world thinks what they 932 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,600 Speaker 1: see and it hurt though, Matt, because a lot of 933 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,239 Speaker 1: times you just gotta keep living. Yeah, you know what 934 00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,840 Speaker 1: I mean. But it's hard to just keep living and 935 00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,200 Speaker 1: knowing this ship out there about you. Yeah, what about 936 00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,839 Speaker 1: when somebody comes to you and be like, yeah, such 937 00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,879 Speaker 1: a such he said, Now you don't even know you're 938 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: marked off forever, even when we get back or whatever, 939 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: because you know, so why we had college. Let me 940 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,080 Speaker 1: throw a name out that to you though, because y'all 941 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: got a chance to play against somebody who raised me 942 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:45,360 Speaker 1: in the tournament. J Tyler remember that name. Yeah, I 943 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:50,480 Speaker 1: remember that. I remember as a kid man watching y'all 944 00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:52,360 Speaker 1: play them. He was always always looking up to the 945 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: Fat five. But y'all got a chance to play Texas 946 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,920 Speaker 1: in the tournament v. J Tyler point guard and take 947 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:07,920 Speaker 1: remember that dark skinning fast exactly. I'm like I was 948 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: drafted around saying because he actually was left Philadelphia before 949 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,440 Speaker 1: y'all got traded there. Yeah, but he raised me, and 950 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,959 Speaker 1: I remember that's another moment in my life for thinking 951 00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,399 Speaker 1: about him putting a chance to plaguage you'll in the time. 952 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,200 Speaker 1: It was a big moment bro By City. I hope 953 00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:29,120 Speaker 1: we put it on d But you know, it's crazy 954 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,239 Speaker 1: when you say little ship like that. Like I said, 955 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,160 Speaker 1: there's so many moments for other people that they created 956 00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:38,480 Speaker 1: just being them, like not even realizing like what the 957 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:40,959 Speaker 1: long term effect, or this is a big deal playing 958 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:42,800 Speaker 1: the Fast five, or I went up against Webb and 959 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: blocked the shot, or he don't you know. I mean, 960 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,759 Speaker 1: like there's little moments like that obviously with all of us, 961 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,160 Speaker 1: but you know, the had of the career he had 962 00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:51,920 Speaker 1: and and and be so impactful. It's it's like you 963 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,080 Speaker 1: leave a lasting impression on everyone you come in contact with, 964 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,520 Speaker 1: and only obviously there's gonna be some hate that comes 965 00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,759 Speaker 1: with that, but there's a lot of admiration and love 966 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 1: that come with it too. And unfortunately, I think it's 967 00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,279 Speaker 1: a society we focus on the negativity too much and 968 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,640 Speaker 1: that's what gets most of the energy instead of just 969 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,200 Speaker 1: kind of really realizing, like like you said, thanking God 970 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,880 Speaker 1: for all this amazing ship right here. This allowed me 971 00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,960 Speaker 1: to live the life I'm living after basketball and do 972 00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,040 Speaker 1: what I want after basketball and raise a family and 973 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:18,640 Speaker 1: all this kind of ship. And I think too often 974 00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: like we don't get a chance to sit back and 975 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,840 Speaker 1: celebrate the great things we've been through and the joyous 976 00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: most we've been through, because it's always what's next show. 977 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,600 Speaker 1: I want to be on your on your sun shows. 978 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. His sons came up in 979 00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,720 Speaker 1: my wedding and stole the show. Ned in the pool. 980 00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:40,360 Speaker 1: Yeah I'm dancing. I'm dancing on my wedding song and 981 00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 1: the floor. But everybody say, oh, not him and his wife. 982 00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,440 Speaker 1: Literally the they were dancing and the twins come they 983 00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,040 Speaker 1: were babies, babies. I'm crawling out on the floor. I 984 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,839 Speaker 1: don't know how they both got free at the same time. 985 00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,840 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but see stuff like that, I'm an 986 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: breaking neighbor wedding and just that's when that's like, this 987 00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,440 Speaker 1: is who you're marry, you know what I mean, embarrassing 988 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: in your pool, pete in your pool, everything, And you know, 989 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,200 Speaker 1: like I realized, like I'm definitely an introvert at times, 990 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,400 Speaker 1: and you know, we don't you know, what we do. 991 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: So it ain't like I'm you know, a man scientists. 992 00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,000 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I'm not in there being 993 00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:23,880 Speaker 1: an introvert like, oh I don't want It's not that 994 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,239 Speaker 1: it's if it's any love or somebody, I know, come on, 995 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: let's let's get up. I just I just don't like flying. Well. 996 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,640 Speaker 1: You know what's weird is I had two experiences obviously 997 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,400 Speaker 1: one with you and you obvious, see I was you 998 00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:36,400 Speaker 1: were in my life and still in my life, but 999 00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,360 Speaker 1: seeing how you are as a person and how the 1000 00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,440 Speaker 1: world portrayed you, and then seeing how Kobe is as 1001 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,400 Speaker 1: a person and seeing how the world portrays him, and 1002 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,359 Speaker 1: I remember one time on the bus with Kobe, I'm like, yeah, 1003 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: why don't you show the world this motherfucker is Like 1004 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,279 Speaker 1: what you mean, it's like who you really are, just 1005 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,080 Speaker 1: like I can't show the motherfucker you know, motherfucker's this, 1006 00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:52,480 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the same thing with you, 1007 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,000 Speaker 1: like I said, one of your greatest things, but also 1008 00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,800 Speaker 1: you know your ability to kind of just I'll just 1009 00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: get out the way, you know what I mean, I'll 1010 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,239 Speaker 1: remove myself instead of being like, no, funk it, it 1011 00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:05,880 Speaker 1: didn't happen like that, you know what I mean. But 1012 00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: he got me thinking like no, I know where, but 1013 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,120 Speaker 1: I know the story that ship didn't happen like that. 1014 00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,040 Speaker 1: But it's just like if well, I'm not gonna say nothing, 1015 00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm listen and keep smoking, you know what I mean. 1016 00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,279 Speaker 1: But like you said it, to know how dope you 1017 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,279 Speaker 1: are as a human and everything you've touched and how 1018 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,400 Speaker 1: giving you are and all this kind of stuff, it 1019 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: as a friend of yours and kind of like a 1020 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,359 Speaker 1: little brother, like it just naturally bothers me when ship 1021 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:27,600 Speaker 1: floats out you that's negative and it's not true, but 1022 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,640 Speaker 1: that keeps me living that keeps me living. Knowing y'all man, 1023 00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,440 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. That's why I'm cool. You please 1024 00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:36,400 Speaker 1: people like that watching y'all show seeing because y'all defining 1025 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,880 Speaker 1: it and breaking it. Like the worst, the worst time 1026 00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: with my basketball life, Dog, wasn't the time that was 1027 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,040 Speaker 1: with you in Philadelphia. I was. I was telling you 1028 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,640 Speaker 1: before before the man that Philly round was tough to 1029 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about you, Dog, Like, I get inspired because we 1030 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,399 Speaker 1: all do things. But you're making it where you're from, 1031 00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:57,359 Speaker 1: You're doing this, You're going through what you're going through now. 1032 00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm never going through nothing like that, talking about being 1033 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,000 Speaker 1: lonely working with the court system. So I'm praying for you. 1034 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:04,800 Speaker 1: I've cried for you, you know what I mean. Like, 1035 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: so we that strength I'm telling you, like I take 1036 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,959 Speaker 1: I take it from y'all. I still all good energy. 1037 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,839 Speaker 1: I swear to y'all like, how y'all doing this? I'm like, okay, yeah, 1038 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: what you gonna do with you? Know what I'm saying? 1039 00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:19,360 Speaker 1: So that inspired? But my we in Philly, man, and 1040 00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't even know if I really don't even know 1041 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:24,360 Speaker 1: if you if you're really really I don't even know 1042 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,719 Speaker 1: if you really understand that it's the worst time in 1043 00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,680 Speaker 1: my life. I get traded Sacramento. This was funny. I 1044 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:36,880 Speaker 1: had a no trade clause. I'm gonna tell you I'm stuck. 1045 00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,040 Speaker 1: That's what I'm telling you. Like I don't like like 1046 00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 1: Michigan State taking the picture. I'm not gonna come with me. 1047 00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,800 Speaker 1: So after all these years, I signed back with sacrament 1048 00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: I want to be there. I could have been traded 1049 00:51:48,719 --> 00:51:52,120 Speaker 1: to the Lakers, could have gone this one. David Robinson 1050 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,279 Speaker 1: had his back hurt, and there's gonna put Dave and 1051 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,359 Speaker 1: have me start with him. This is what I was told. 1052 00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,920 Speaker 1: Pap was my assistant. Uh and going to State my 1053 00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:06,880 Speaker 1: rookie year. Yeah, we're in Dallas and we used to 1054 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 1: just we pumped like Dallas. We we only we wanted 1055 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: the Lakers, like we didn't even take that serious. They 1056 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,359 Speaker 1: were great, but they weren't even close to them. Someone 1057 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:21,000 Speaker 1: Dallas like the phone call from Jeff Peach and he's like, hey, Chris, Like, hey, no, 1058 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,160 Speaker 1: GM has ever called me on my phone before at 1059 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,680 Speaker 1: the beginning of a road trip to they let us 1060 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:28,719 Speaker 1: pack for a long after here too. Remever, I forgot that. 1061 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:32,080 Speaker 1: I forgot that. So I'll never forget because it's one 1062 00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:39,399 Speaker 1: of my favorite hotels. Um, yeah, man, we didn't move. Yeah, 1063 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,440 Speaker 1: we didn't do the roof off that hotel. That was 1064 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,840 Speaker 1: much weed as we didn't smoke it there that the 1065 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: Crescent and like Chris and this slick high put it 1066 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,399 Speaker 1: on me. He goes fil definitily, really just really trying 1067 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: to trade for you. I said, what y'all said? He's like, well, 1068 00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: you know we're interested whatever. I said, So, let me 1069 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,759 Speaker 1: get this straight. You're the gym. You're calling me the 1070 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,160 Speaker 1: guy that you beg to come here. And because I 1071 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,760 Speaker 1: have a trade clause, you didn't call my agent because 1072 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:11,440 Speaker 1: you know I get emotional and you you know who 1073 00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,680 Speaker 1: I am. He said yeah, I said, so you think 1074 00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,279 Speaker 1: I want to come back? Said no, I said, funk. 1075 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,919 Speaker 1: Y'all hung up the phone, called Ai I'm talking about. 1076 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: I don't even know how I got his number. I 1077 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:25,600 Speaker 1: don't even I don't even know. It had to be 1078 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,560 Speaker 1: within five minutes. It had to literally be in five minutes. 1079 00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,680 Speaker 1: Made my agent or somebody called. It was like yeah, 1080 00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,360 Speaker 1: it's mom gonna cook for you this and that, and 1081 00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 1: I was like I'm gone, Like it wouldn't even know 1082 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 1: other conversation. I was so hurt. If I had to 1083 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,080 Speaker 1: do it all over again, I probably have said nine 1084 00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 1: N I would have said, you know what, No, I'm good. 1085 00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: But because I and what was so dope? Man? This 1086 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 1: was so dope. Bobby Jackson Vibby came in the room. 1087 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,319 Speaker 1: We prayed, you know what I mean. Then I went 1088 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,600 Speaker 1: out just drinks, not just and it was to me 1089 00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,399 Speaker 1: and magg get traded. We're in the hotel. The game 1090 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,320 Speaker 1: is in three days against Sacramento. We get traded the 1091 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:12,880 Speaker 1: Philadelphia Sacramento comes in places we were. Yeah, we were 1092 00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,560 Speaker 1: supposed to go. That was part of our road trip, 1093 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,480 Speaker 1: was going to go to Philly on this road trip 1094 00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,239 Speaker 1: we had packed for so Dallas was just the first 1095 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,080 Speaker 1: stop and we were there and I'm telling you, man, 1096 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,439 Speaker 1: the Philly organization, actually there's some really good people because 1097 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,200 Speaker 1: they still send me things like I've been there. I 1098 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,200 Speaker 1: love them. That was the worst time ever. You practice 1099 00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,320 Speaker 1: in the college. You have to pay for park and 1100 00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,800 Speaker 1: pay to have your clothes. Wich's not things. You got it. 1101 00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: But you're just like this is this is a team. Yeah, 1102 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,400 Speaker 1: the team is so bad. I'm like, yeah, you've been 1103 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,200 Speaker 1: doing this though, you know how now it's rest management. 1104 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: He got them. Hey, I call it half a head. 1105 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: He got them running. Uh yeah, he got them running sprints. 1106 00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:56,480 Speaker 1: Uh shoot around, Hey, Andre Iguardala lou Will. I'm like, 1107 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,399 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, the NBA is not like this, y'all. 1108 00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,480 Speaker 1: It's it's terrible. I remember one practice, a coach tells Matt, 1109 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: Matt shoots a brick. Coach teller, Matt, don't you ever 1110 00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: shoot the ball again? My line's cheeks cheeks, but go 1111 00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:16,480 Speaker 1: ahead and tell a story. But he said, don't you 1112 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,239 Speaker 1: haven't shoot the ball again. And we're just like, no, 1113 00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: that ain't cool. Man. Like everybody on this team, we 1114 00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,000 Speaker 1: were a card, like you shoot it. So when I 1115 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: had hired your shooting, come ever. But I wasn't playing 1116 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,319 Speaker 1: like I was, and Webb kept me off the edge 1117 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,759 Speaker 1: like I'm fine, I'm gonna play football basketball. I'm done. 1118 00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,640 Speaker 1: And he was the one that was inspired me. And man, 1119 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,279 Speaker 1: you've got so many years ahead. E this isn't that. 1120 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:37,320 Speaker 1: But go ahead, so he gets to shoot. Coach, you 1121 00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,399 Speaker 1: do all this, so make a long story short. Matt 1122 00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,160 Speaker 1: get traded. I mean mag get traded. I forgot who 1123 00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:45,840 Speaker 1: you want the Golden State, remember the Golden Staff and 1124 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,640 Speaker 1: we're cheering for you. On the side, I'm cheering for, like, 1125 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,959 Speaker 1: don't shooting that walk up three? Don't shooting that walk 1126 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,480 Speaker 1: up three? How many three? Shoot? It was? It a 1127 00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:58,920 Speaker 1: record was talking the whole time and I hit I 1128 00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: hit for like remember, and then drove up the sack 1129 00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,879 Speaker 1: after the game. He was having fun, but Mo Chief 1130 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: was talking the whole game and I ended up hitting 1131 00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,040 Speaker 1: for like eight. I hit like six or seven threes, 1132 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,680 Speaker 1: and it was so vindicating because of that situation, Like 1133 00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,280 Speaker 1: this dude told me and pray it was a practice. 1134 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,839 Speaker 1: Now I was wide open. I just missed a shot, 1135 00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 1: and I literally had hired his shooting coach because I 1136 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:16,560 Speaker 1: wasn't playing, So I wasn't a type of moe for 1137 00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,239 Speaker 1: this complaining. I was just working to hopefully get a shot, 1138 00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:21,320 Speaker 1: and he was so caught up and still trying to 1139 00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,080 Speaker 1: be cool and funny and not being a coach that like, 1140 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,759 Speaker 1: I want to whip his I still don't funck Mo 1141 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:29,080 Speaker 1: Cheeks to this day because of the his bit aasseness 1142 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,480 Speaker 1: in philling is the reason why I think I belonged 1143 00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:37,680 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Out of here. That was 1144 00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,399 Speaker 1: a tough time, man, Like I said, because what when 1145 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get to what you did in Sacramento, I guess, 1146 00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,800 Speaker 1: but it's that was just, Uh, that's like when we 1147 00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 1: became family, you know what I mean, Like we're stuck 1148 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,680 Speaker 1: in the in the phoenix, ho for the phoenix. That's 1149 00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,960 Speaker 1: definitely when I became your family because I love you 1150 00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,160 Speaker 1: him a young boy. I didn't know he was gonna 1151 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:58,600 Speaker 1: get traded, and that was the worst season. I think 1152 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,640 Speaker 1: I more than to have a drinker. I want to 1153 00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,440 Speaker 1: leave the league, you know what I mean. I told 1154 00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: me I wasn't even know happy drinking. It was. I 1155 00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,400 Speaker 1: got the facts them all and it was crazy about 1156 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,759 Speaker 1: all that is that the best time in my life? Dog. 1157 00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: For the best times we had there, it was after 1158 00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: we go to the game and your mom and my 1159 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 1: mom came in there and got drunk. Your mom and 1160 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,600 Speaker 1: his mom two good times man. And uh it was 1161 00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,720 Speaker 1: right before you found out what she was doing. And 1162 00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: we had some real talks like were you over there? 1163 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,600 Speaker 1: We're not thinking of you when she's telling me about 1164 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: your childhood and telling me how she loved you and 1165 00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: telling me you funny and hard head. And I was 1166 00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,840 Speaker 1: asking that did you get in trouble when he was 1167 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,040 Speaker 1: a little she'd be like, yeah, he's mischievous. She told 1168 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: me about one party this dude had where she was like, 1169 00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. She told me about what your papa did, 1170 00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:53,560 Speaker 1: but you were charging to get in the back yard 1171 00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: and selling weed or something. And she was like, she 1172 00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:58,960 Speaker 1: was like, I realized how much he made. And I 1173 00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:00,720 Speaker 1: was like, you ever think he to the least? She 1174 00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,840 Speaker 1: was like, I thought he played football. He was always 1175 00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: a hard worker. But me and her had some Me 1176 00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:07,600 Speaker 1: and her had some wonderful times. Man, And that's why 1177 00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,680 Speaker 1: you're real because of your parents, you know what I mean, 1178 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 1: or the people that was with them to put it 1179 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:15,120 Speaker 1: into it, but she she and our times there was 1180 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:19,040 Speaker 1: the bright spot dog that. It was the same thing 1181 00:58:19,160 --> 00:58:20,560 Speaker 1: he caught a little bit at the we believe shi 1182 00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: right before she died. It was the same thing. He said, 1183 00:58:23,160 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: you speak about his mom and found of my mom. 1184 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 1: She initially breaks down because you meet very few people 1185 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:32,800 Speaker 1: in your life what they instantly affect you, Like you 1186 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,000 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. She affected all of the stuff 1187 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,760 Speaker 1: like that. I'm messing that. I wish i'd know you 1188 00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:41,160 Speaker 1: was younger. You know, I thought so much my mom 1189 00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:42,880 Speaker 1: had to come be the yard duty at my school. 1190 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:44,760 Speaker 1: Like that's how much it was. Just that's just what 1191 00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,120 Speaker 1: it was. But I could you imagine her too, raised 1192 00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 1: in the black son, how strong she had to be 1193 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:55,080 Speaker 1: right and know ithing we're adopted. She run understand on punk, 1194 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: you can't have kids like that. That's why I get 1195 00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,200 Speaker 1: strimmed from all that. Man, Just well, let's get back 1196 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: on track. Obviously, you did what you did at Michigan 1197 00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,040 Speaker 1: first picking the draft. You think you're going to play 1198 00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,080 Speaker 1: with shocking Orlando and you get traded for Penny. What's 1199 00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,240 Speaker 1: going through your head? I ain't never been to Callie. 1200 00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,880 Speaker 1: What's going on in Callie? Tim Hardaway there, Oh he 1201 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,760 Speaker 1: got to cross over Chris Mullin. It's pretty billy. Oh 1202 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:25,520 Speaker 1: I was billy. Yeah yeah, I was everyone. No time 1203 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:27,240 Speaker 1: to be you know, there was no time to think 1204 00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,480 Speaker 1: about it be sad. It was live. It was Detroit. 1205 00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,000 Speaker 1: I one. It's so crazy to ride. I was on. 1206 00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:35,800 Speaker 1: I won three state championships, two in that arena and 1207 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: just called the timeline come off like the worst moment, 1208 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, I go home and my mom dope story 1209 00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:45,280 Speaker 1: she has, uh just like two days I'm at home 1210 00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:49,720 Speaker 1: and um, you know down getting her food or cooking, 1211 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,160 Speaker 1: getting spoiled. I love it whatever. And you know my 1212 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,400 Speaker 1: father ain't saying that He's gonna let me, you know, 1213 00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 1: get all my things. And so my mother comes in 1214 00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:58,960 Speaker 1: like um, she just lights and played the said time out. 1215 00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:01,400 Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, I'm on my car. Was like, why 1216 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,960 Speaker 1: would you do that? She was like what but with 1217 01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,080 Speaker 1: the devil back guy, I meant that for good, We're 1218 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna inspire some people were about to start to stay 1219 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,320 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. She you know, teaching mom could do it. 1220 01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Oh mom can do something. She said it off and 1221 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Detroit on this my baby car time. I wish your 1222 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,280 Speaker 1: baby do. Tell him it's gonna be okay, Like it 1223 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: was just I would go speak it was. It was 1224 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: actually one of the best things ever to go give 1225 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,520 Speaker 1: your pain to people and let them think they paid 1226 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: was nothing. You know what I mean. I know my 1227 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,040 Speaker 1: paid for a minute to raise somebody's started just a 1228 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,680 Speaker 1: thirty second yeah and so and made me feel good. 1229 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,280 Speaker 1: So once I went home, you get down. You know 1230 01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,720 Speaker 1: a lot of people support you, Like I get a 1231 01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 1: letter from President, you get a letter from like Jackie 1232 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,440 Speaker 1: you the Cursey her shoes. You know, people loving you, 1233 01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,240 Speaker 1: and it wasn't much hate or at least I couldn't 1234 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: feel like because it was no social media. And then 1235 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:53,200 Speaker 1: you know, being down, and then thirty days later when 1236 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,240 Speaker 1: they announced my name on the stage picked up. It 1237 01:00:57,360 --> 01:00:59,160 Speaker 1: was the most nervous. I remember trying to be cool 1238 01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,080 Speaker 1: and holding the piece out. My hand was shaking, and 1239 01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: I just remember being like, man, gods, you're great, right, 1240 01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,280 Speaker 1: It's just just a couple of weeks ago, you know 1241 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: what I mean? And I promise you never never since 1242 01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,880 Speaker 1: that moment on stage, had I ever thought about the 1243 01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:16,560 Speaker 1: time out like you you know what I mean? Just yeah, 1244 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,520 Speaker 1: I really I really wouldn't. I really wouldn't change anything, 1245 01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that moment that was 1246 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:26,160 Speaker 1: that was that was the moment getting drafted it. So 1247 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,720 Speaker 1: I was more geeked about. You know, I had a 1248 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 1: party that night. Everybody. I don't know how everybody at 1249 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: the party had Golden States had that was dope about 1250 01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: the trade. The draft started. Seven wasn't those stories over? 1251 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: I don't know how they got all everybody had them on. 1252 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Everybody had gonna say, that's that's the love. So what's 1253 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,160 Speaker 1: your first taste of the band? Because we had a 1254 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,800 Speaker 1: fucking blast out there. What was your first taste. It's 1255 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,880 Speaker 1: a whole because people don't understand that she really been. 1256 01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,720 Speaker 1: The Bay is a whole different world in itself. The 1257 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:53,720 Speaker 1: Bay is that the band is the West coast Detroit 1258 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,800 Speaker 1: to be the Bay is the West coast shout out 1259 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:59,200 Speaker 1: to forty and I'm like, I to I get to 1260 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:03,120 Speaker 1: I just the Bay short for the uh rapid foote 1261 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: SA give me like I was. I just jumped into 1262 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,800 Speaker 1: I was. I was part of the community, you know 1263 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So it welcomed you though, because that's 1264 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,680 Speaker 1: how we were, like we jumped right in and they 1265 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,560 Speaker 1: loved that. Now I love Oakland to this day, the 1266 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: Bay area and everything. So when I got to it 1267 01:02:16,640 --> 01:02:20,080 Speaker 1: was cool man. But we first practice Tim Hardaway tear 1268 01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: his knee up. I had approtected me all this other stuff. 1269 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,560 Speaker 1: So the year got started off slowly. But those were 1270 01:02:27,040 --> 01:02:30,760 Speaker 1: straight up the loudest fans that you know, Sacramento too, 1271 01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:35,120 Speaker 1: but that Bays. So you're in the league now, Um 1272 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,200 Speaker 1: you had to his story or just something. That's one 1273 01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,680 Speaker 1: of the most amazing plays still to this day. When 1274 01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,360 Speaker 1: you went behind the back and dunked on Barkley, uh 1275 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:47,200 Speaker 1: your rookie year. Take us back to that, because like 1276 01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:49,400 Speaker 1: we gotta definitely make sure we edit that and get 1277 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,360 Speaker 1: the full range, like what was going through. I mean, 1278 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,280 Speaker 1: Barkley probably some when you looked up to one of 1279 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,640 Speaker 1: my favorite players at the time, you went behind the 1280 01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:59,720 Speaker 1: back and dunked on At the time, I did, Dave, 1281 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,800 Speaker 1: that was mad because I wanted the Barkley's bark is 1282 01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 1: my favorite player. He came to my high school. I 1283 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: met him. I was like when I saw him, you know, 1284 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, the first NBA or professional sports player 1285 01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,560 Speaker 1: you see. When you see him, You're like, okay, you 1286 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,480 Speaker 1: know I mean, I thought Barkley was like you signed 1287 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: them up? Yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm like, all right, 1288 01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I'm needing me my 1289 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,520 Speaker 1: favorite player. I tried to dunk on people every time 1290 01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,960 Speaker 1: Spree get the outlet. I used to love playing with guys. 1291 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,960 Speaker 1: I hate playing with point guards that wouldn't throw it up, 1292 01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Spree would always throw it up, 1293 01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,680 Speaker 1: and my father, my father and all my boys up 1294 01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,959 Speaker 1: the game. So I flew everybody in because my father, 1295 01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, gonna be like, yeah, Barkley gonna get you tonight. 1296 01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,440 Speaker 1: That's all he kept saying, you know, putting it in 1297 01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:41,480 Speaker 1: my head, Barkley donna get you all my boys, So 1298 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,880 Speaker 1: I don't even know. I used to always go behind 1299 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,000 Speaker 1: the back, and Barkley told me he was trying to 1300 01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:49,600 Speaker 1: file me because I couldn't shoot free throws. So when 1301 01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,320 Speaker 1: I went behind the back and I got him, the 1302 01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:52,960 Speaker 1: first thing I do is look up to my pop 1303 01:03:53,080 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: because I popsed my hero, you know what I mean? 1304 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:57,160 Speaker 1: Like what now? Like who else you got for me 1305 01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,240 Speaker 1: to slay down here? You know? All my boys up there? 1306 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,400 Speaker 1: He's oh, yeah, it was. It was yeah, man, that was. 1307 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: That was the best moment. And then Nike let us 1308 01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:08,360 Speaker 1: do a commercial freestyle. I mean we the commercial literally 1309 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:11,240 Speaker 1: took fifteen minutes, you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, 1310 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,920 Speaker 1: I was, I was. That was a good moment. So 1311 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,840 Speaker 1: you end up winning Rookie of the Year? Your your 1312 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:23,520 Speaker 1: your rookie year. Um, tell me what transpired that offseason, 1313 01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:25,000 Speaker 1: because I don't know if I've ever heard of a 1314 01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year winning Rookie of the Year. And 1315 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:32,720 Speaker 1: then so I thought I called Tom. I didn't go 1316 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: to none of my agents meetings, you know what I mean. 1317 01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:38,000 Speaker 1: I was like, so part of the reason why I 1318 01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:41,080 Speaker 1: didn't go play with Shocking, Orlando, he tells me, is 1319 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,840 Speaker 1: because so after I called the time out, I was like, 1320 01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:46,120 Speaker 1: I got movie offers all this. I was like, I 1321 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,600 Speaker 1: want nobody likeing me because I I'm about to go 1322 01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:53,120 Speaker 1: work out. So I didn't go to the where they're 1323 01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:55,600 Speaker 1: feeling blue chips, and every day after practice, Tenning was 1324 01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:58,280 Speaker 1: out there diamond blue chips. You know. Shock was like, man, 1325 01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,000 Speaker 1: I played with them. We was out there playing every day. 1326 01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:04,680 Speaker 1: You know, I went to got him so with So 1327 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,400 Speaker 1: after that I wouldn't go do any interviews or I 1328 01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,080 Speaker 1: didn't interview agents. I just said whatever mom, Dad picked 1329 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,320 Speaker 1: the agent. So I knew they were gonna, you know, 1330 01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:21,920 Speaker 1: interview when they went with Duffy and um uh shooting. Yeah, yeah, 1331 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 1: they were definitely a good one, but they broke up. 1332 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:25,960 Speaker 1: So then I went with Bill Strick and this man 1333 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: foul Shot and Farel Show never been an agent. He 1334 01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,280 Speaker 1: was just a c p A. It's a smart cat 1335 01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,800 Speaker 1: and get a book. He read it all so a rookie. 1336 01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:37,560 Speaker 1: They say, Man, what we're gonna do is you're gonna 1337 01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,920 Speaker 1: sign the largest contract ever but we're gonna get you 1338 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,040 Speaker 1: out after the first year. They said that it's a 1339 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,560 Speaker 1: risk because if you get hurt, you have a whole 1340 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,320 Speaker 1: guarantee because the option is yours is five years seventy 1341 01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,360 Speaker 1: five million at the time, you know, fifteen years seventy 1342 01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 1: five million, so it's great guarantee. But you know we're 1343 01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,320 Speaker 1: really doing this so you can opt out. So I 1344 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:03,560 Speaker 1: went Rookie of the Year after my contract. So I 1345 01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: tell Shock all the time, thank you on him because 1346 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,640 Speaker 1: I used to get it quietly. Just wait until Shock 1347 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:11,040 Speaker 1: re up. I could time my time and right out 1348 01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,440 Speaker 1: to him. So a little bit of the beef what 1349 01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:17,000 Speaker 1: don Nelson had with me is because he felt I 1350 01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:19,680 Speaker 1: had too much control over money because I could, I 1351 01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,120 Speaker 1: could who Rookie of the Year this year? Anthonyette was 1352 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:25,400 Speaker 1: just imagine if they could sign a new deal and 1353 01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,560 Speaker 1: get Steph money after one year. That ain't right, you 1354 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:30,880 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So anyway, that's what it was. 1355 01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,440 Speaker 1: I opted out my contract. So when I opted out 1356 01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:35,640 Speaker 1: of my contract, he went to the owners and said, listen, 1357 01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,320 Speaker 1: it's this kid. I'm telling him him. You ain't supposed 1358 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: to be thinking like this. He's only thinking about the money. 1359 01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:42,680 Speaker 1: And you know, blah blah blah blah blah. And I 1360 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 1: wanted to go back to go and stay bad like 1361 01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:49,160 Speaker 1: my homies Mummy. I moved to where Molly lived because 1362 01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:51,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to follow everything he did. Spree. I mean, 1363 01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,080 Speaker 1: Billy O took me to buy my first car, Like 1364 01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:56,959 Speaker 1: I came home one time my life was out because 1365 01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:58,320 Speaker 1: I know I ain't know how to pay the bills. 1366 01:06:58,360 --> 01:06:59,800 Speaker 1: Billy had to show him. You know what I'm saying. 1367 01:06:59,840 --> 01:07:01,800 Speaker 1: So these are my brothers. I want to be there. 1368 01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,240 Speaker 1: I only played for the fat I'm thinking everything is 1369 01:07:04,240 --> 01:07:06,680 Speaker 1: gonna be like this, and then you know it was 1370 01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,080 Speaker 1: just the smear campaign. You know. I know y'all know 1371 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,960 Speaker 1: love Nellie cool because we all have different I have 1372 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: a similar ship. So Nellie he did a lot for me. 1373 01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:20,200 Speaker 1: As far as I didn't see the game the way 1374 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:22,080 Speaker 1: he did. I didn't know what was gonna turn it today. 1375 01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,880 Speaker 1: And he allowed them the hand of the ball and 1376 01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:27,920 Speaker 1: all that. But you know, when it comes to controlling 1377 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: things like that, he really he gets nervous and so 1378 01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,640 Speaker 1: he does things to fear do push people away. And 1379 01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 1: so I told the owners. I told the owners, I 1380 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,880 Speaker 1: was like, please, I want to play here. They was 1381 01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:45,640 Speaker 1: like no, and and then my my agent was like, man, quick, 1382 01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:48,840 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna sign someplace a one year deal now? 1383 01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,000 Speaker 1: And I was like okay, And my dumbass went to 1384 01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,000 Speaker 1: the worst team in the league to go play with Jawan. 1385 01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,360 Speaker 1: Juana didn't even know I was coming. Yeah, I was 1386 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:57,760 Speaker 1: just like, where do you want to get drafted to? 1387 01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm going on. So that's how I got. It happened. Man, 1388 01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:02,600 Speaker 1: I hadn't opted out. You signed a one year deal 1389 01:08:02,680 --> 01:08:06,760 Speaker 1: with with the Bullets, so no more in the NBA 1390 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,640 Speaker 1: can you sign a long term deal with the out 1391 01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,800 Speaker 1: after the first because of what my lawyer did. And 1392 01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 1: you can no longer sign a one year deal because 1393 01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,439 Speaker 1: I signed to one of year deals with Washington trying 1394 01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:20,559 Speaker 1: to wait to get out. So you get to Washington, 1395 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,040 Speaker 1: you got you one there, you got she there, you 1396 01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,960 Speaker 1: got strict there. She came the next year, the following year, 1397 01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:29,400 Speaker 1: right he was drafted. I mean that seems like a 1398 01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,120 Speaker 1: cool last team too. They should have covered together. Man. 1399 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,160 Speaker 1: I loved chocolate. I loved it. I got into black 1400 01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: art there. I got into politics somewhat there because it 1401 01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:41,439 Speaker 1: was the people you can just talk to. But yeah, 1402 01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:42,960 Speaker 1: it wasn't like you gotta be smart and I was 1403 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:44,880 Speaker 1: just people you talked to and figure it out. So 1404 01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:47,880 Speaker 1: I love d C. I was always on you know, 1405 01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:51,760 Speaker 1: out of as season is that is that why he 1406 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,080 Speaker 1: wrote that about Howard home covering. You know, we had 1407 01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:56,439 Speaker 1: a great time with there, man, but they just didn't 1408 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,160 Speaker 1: believe in as we were young. We were a young team, man, 1409 01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:00,840 Speaker 1: if they were the kep for together. We lost to 1410 01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,080 Speaker 1: that Bulls team and seventy two wins Bulls team in 1411 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:06,720 Speaker 1: three games by seven points in the playoffs. In one 1412 01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,799 Speaker 1: game they had to hit it at the last shot. 1413 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,920 Speaker 1: Not that we're gonna be that good, but still that 1414 01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:14,439 Speaker 1: next year, yeah, they should the couples together. Yeah, touch on, 1415 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:16,559 Speaker 1: because like I said, I think you guys have such 1416 01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:21,920 Speaker 1: a huge crossover your time with with with these music artists, 1417 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, Big and Sees. I know you're close to 1418 01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,280 Speaker 1: see still Naas just wins a Grammy. Talk to us 1419 01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,200 Speaker 1: about that crossover between sports and music, because you were 1420 01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:34,760 Speaker 1: right in the mix during your time when you guys know, 1421 01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,560 Speaker 1: I mean, we all come from the same place, so 1422 01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:39,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna have the same things in common, you know 1423 01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,880 Speaker 1: what I mean, And so growing up, you know, so 1424 01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:46,519 Speaker 1: I'm sixteen eighty nine and that's you got, you know, 1425 01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:49,240 Speaker 1: hip hops in this little bit of peak and so 1426 01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:51,760 Speaker 1: growing up, I remember me and Jay Rose used to 1427 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:54,080 Speaker 1: right rips and class and passing back to each other. 1428 01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:56,960 Speaker 1: Everybody want to hoop, want to be a rapping vice versa. 1429 01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:01,240 Speaker 1: After I left college, Cage g from Naughty by Nature, 1430 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,560 Speaker 1: shout out to KG. He's crazy sports fan and we 1431 01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,320 Speaker 1: were just cool. I would just go to his house 1432 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,800 Speaker 1: in New Jersey every summer. Man I go to his 1433 01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:11,519 Speaker 1: house in New Jersey, shot out to his parents' family. 1434 01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 1: It would just let me stay there. He had a studio. 1435 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean I could stay there for days and no 1436 01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:17,920 Speaker 1: one come bother you or bother you, you know what 1437 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:20,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying. And then that time I learned how to 1438 01:10:20,120 --> 01:10:22,599 Speaker 1: make beats like he had John Ay, that group John 1439 01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,160 Speaker 1: in the basement, and I mean just watching them, like 1440 01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,560 Speaker 1: just make beats or you know, other groups are l 1441 01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:31,280 Speaker 1: all these other groups that he had, So making beats 1442 01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:33,280 Speaker 1: that just let me, like after games and ship come 1443 01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:36,000 Speaker 1: back and wind down. And then it just takes you 1444 01:10:36,080 --> 01:10:37,519 Speaker 1: to where you meet a couple of people that you 1445 01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:40,160 Speaker 1: like minded. You know, you have real relationship with him 1446 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:42,240 Speaker 1: maybe you know, maybe they're hear some ships. So we 1447 01:10:42,360 --> 01:10:45,120 Speaker 1: now as it was just here's just somebody I admired 1448 01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:48,200 Speaker 1: from Afar. I love his rhymes. When we met, I 1449 01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:51,120 Speaker 1: was like, uh, you know, we're not gonna be cool 1450 01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:54,519 Speaker 1: because you know, you know, it's just not that type 1451 01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,559 Speaker 1: of party like going do your thing, I do mine. 1452 01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,120 Speaker 1: We became close and um, he was just hearing some 1453 01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:02,880 Speaker 1: beats and he was like, yo, put that on, you 1454 01:11:02,920 --> 01:11:05,200 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And for me it sounded cool. 1455 01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:07,320 Speaker 1: I'm being calm about it, but at that time, I mean, 1456 01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:09,360 Speaker 1: it's still one of the biggest accomplishes of my life 1457 01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:11,800 Speaker 1: to have a you know song blunt ashes and then 1458 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,720 Speaker 1: have um surviving the times on this other album. So 1459 01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,679 Speaker 1: for me, somebody to make beats and listen to music 1460 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:19,080 Speaker 1: all the time, grew up in Detroit with music is 1461 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 1: that it was. It was just dope being a part 1462 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:24,240 Speaker 1: of it. So take me back to the because you 1463 01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:27,080 Speaker 1: were at you were up on stage at the was 1464 01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,160 Speaker 1: it the Source Awards with the with the East Coast 1465 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:31,040 Speaker 1: West Coast Ship. That was a young ball head of 1466 01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,760 Speaker 1: you up there right with you and who else was 1467 01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,519 Speaker 1: up there was you. It's messed up too because I 1468 01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,400 Speaker 1: come on with Puffy and Safe right after should lay 1469 01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:42,679 Speaker 1: it down. So you want to be all the videos 1470 01:11:42,680 --> 01:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and I come on stack like I'm I come up, 1471 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:47,760 Speaker 1: I'm wearing black, like I'm part of bad Boy. I'm like, 1472 01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,040 Speaker 1: I don't know nobody, you know what I mean. But 1473 01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,479 Speaker 1: it was dope that night because big and was sitting 1474 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,559 Speaker 1: right here, and you know he would you know at 1475 01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:59,280 Speaker 1: this time, passed back Chrystalal. It was just it was 1476 01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:01,559 Speaker 1: to me, it was it was the source of wars, right, 1477 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,400 Speaker 1: source of wars, and it was right. It was like 1478 01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:08,080 Speaker 1: when Vince Carter was at the dunk contest, when Vince 1479 01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,160 Speaker 1: did the dunk in two thousand one, that's when it's 1480 01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:13,960 Speaker 1: like all the Woutane was sitting on one. Uh, all 1481 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:16,240 Speaker 1: of the death Row was in the was in the middle. 1482 01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: I mean, that's when death Row came out in the 1483 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,680 Speaker 1: cages with you know Lady of Yeah. That's when m 1484 01:12:22,760 --> 01:12:26,640 Speaker 1: C eight, That's when DJ Quick was looking right at 1485 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,160 Speaker 1: m C eight the whole time he was rapping because 1486 01:12:30,240 --> 01:12:32,080 Speaker 1: gen ain't you like, it was just beef. I mean, 1487 01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:36,800 Speaker 1: Mob Deep was beefing with uh, both Thugs and harm 1488 01:12:36,840 --> 01:12:38,519 Speaker 1: at that time. And I'm a fan, so I'm in 1489 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:41,519 Speaker 1: the back. I'm just I'm just watching kind of oh 1490 01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of guns falling on the floor. Everybody got 1491 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,320 Speaker 1: on bulletpool. It was so crazy because I'm thinking, like, 1492 01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:50,840 Speaker 1: who in the world at this happened? Like I didn't 1493 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:55,160 Speaker 1: see one security guard, people doing the show, people just 1494 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,599 Speaker 1: walking up, and it was the dopest show. I always 1495 01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,120 Speaker 1: go for my boys and be like, I don't know 1496 01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: a hip hop show was dopening that? But yeah, he 1497 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,000 Speaker 1: came out and that was the whole East Coast West 1498 01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:08,840 Speaker 1: Coast be Snoop, Snoop. Was hard for Snoop to do 1499 01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,200 Speaker 1: that there though, that was they Yeah, that ship was hard. 1500 01:13:13,240 --> 01:13:15,880 Speaker 1: I've been comed growing up West Coast. I'm strictly West Coast. 1501 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,920 Speaker 1: The only I didn't listen to J at the time. 1502 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: The only East Coast person I listened to was was 1503 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,120 Speaker 1: I wasn't It wasn't Moutangan. It was big, you know 1504 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:24,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. So to to see what the West 1505 01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:26,680 Speaker 1: Coast was taken out, that was like, oh ship And 1506 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:27,920 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you look back in the 1507 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,640 Speaker 1: old film, was like, oh ship, that's web right there 1508 01:13:29,680 --> 01:13:35,519 Speaker 1: where they look like being in thanks That's what I 1509 01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 1: was gimming from the East coast. Yeah, so from Washington. Uh, 1510 01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:44,640 Speaker 1: you get traded from MS Richmond. UM. Take us through 1511 01:13:44,680 --> 01:13:47,560 Speaker 1: that process of you know, feeling like again you you 1512 01:13:47,640 --> 01:13:49,479 Speaker 1: wanted to be somewhere. You wish they would have kept 1513 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,240 Speaker 1: you together. You're starting to learn the business of basketball. 1514 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,679 Speaker 1: Your shipped off the Sacramento I found out at the store. 1515 01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,640 Speaker 1: It was during the playoffs. I didn't even know you 1516 01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:59,800 Speaker 1: could be shipped off during the playoffs. They didn't call 1517 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:03,320 Speaker 1: my agent and didn't uh didn't tell us it was 1518 01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,559 Speaker 1: it was they were trying to punish me and send 1519 01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: me away to like purgatory. That's what I felt at 1520 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:11,320 Speaker 1: the time. Sack was the only place in the league 1521 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,880 Speaker 1: I had ever been where the coach let you drive 1522 01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,080 Speaker 1: to the game and drive home, you know what I mean. 1523 01:14:16,240 --> 01:14:18,400 Speaker 1: Like everything. It was like, no, we're trying to get 1524 01:14:18,439 --> 01:14:20,040 Speaker 1: out of there as fast as you not because of 1525 01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:23,840 Speaker 1: the people, but because of the basketball environment. Like you 1526 01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,559 Speaker 1: don't know a lot about it. It's not much history, 1527 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:28,880 Speaker 1: and so I didn't want to go to Sack. I 1528 01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 1: thought it was the worst thing. I was questioning God. 1529 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,240 Speaker 1: And then you know, it's good when you had good 1530 01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,080 Speaker 1: people in your life, but it's messed up too, because 1531 01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:39,080 Speaker 1: my mom she's just not oh yeah, this must be 1532 01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,720 Speaker 1: the place guy got for you, baby, for everybody. She 1533 01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:43,639 Speaker 1: was just so like mine, you don't know who didn't 1534 01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:45,800 Speaker 1: even argue about the same thing. But high school though, 1535 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:48,840 Speaker 1: she always right, you know. So I'm on the plane, man, 1536 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,760 Speaker 1: it's just a little lady next to me, and I'm 1537 01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,880 Speaker 1: over I'm looking out the window and all I see 1538 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,679 Speaker 1: these fields and that's why I just thought, I'm obviously 1539 01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,120 Speaker 1: cry but I'm not crying. It's just tears. I'm like, 1540 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:05,599 Speaker 1: looking at this laying it's just tears, and I'm thinking, like, man, 1541 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:07,800 Speaker 1: it's gonna be the worst thing for me. And then, 1542 01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,880 Speaker 1: you know, after that first practice, I saw that man 1543 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:13,639 Speaker 1: J Will. But my brother called me on wait to practice. 1544 01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:16,000 Speaker 1: He's like, you don't like, He's like, I got something 1545 01:15:16,040 --> 01:15:19,200 Speaker 1: fun you here, man, Just just listen, be open, be humble, like, 1546 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,799 Speaker 1: don't fight it, you know. So I go to practice 1547 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,400 Speaker 1: like I'm not gonna fight the first one, even though 1548 01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:26,240 Speaker 1: I get the practice three days later, I'm not gonna 1549 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,080 Speaker 1: come to the first one. But when I get there, 1550 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,840 Speaker 1: I won't fight it. And then it comes to this 1551 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:35,479 Speaker 1: loud mouth, Hey shot it. J Will just loud. It 1552 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,720 Speaker 1: just loud, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, this 1553 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,960 Speaker 1: guy man, and he come in the first thing, he's 1554 01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:41,920 Speaker 1: just he's dripping in the ball with the weights on 1555 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,960 Speaker 1: his hands, you know what I mean. He's doing all 1556 01:15:44,040 --> 01:15:45,519 Speaker 1: that and he's just handling the rock. And then we 1557 01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,960 Speaker 1: get into the first play, the first three on two 1558 01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:50,760 Speaker 1: and he hit a dude on the other side, and 1559 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, let me see what happened. We come 1560 01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:55,759 Speaker 1: back on the two on one. I'm like, oh, it's something, something, 1561 01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:59,160 Speaker 1: something different. Then we go outside. He's playing somebody from 1562 01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:02,000 Speaker 1: Florida hip hop that eight Main Street, but you got 1563 01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:04,200 Speaker 1: to know hip hopter this. I'm like, man, who is 1564 01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,360 Speaker 1: this kid? Man? And then man he became you know 1565 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960 Speaker 1: when I when I love playing with him. He you know, 1566 01:16:11,080 --> 01:16:13,760 Speaker 1: I love ja will remember. I mean, that's kind of 1567 01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:17,080 Speaker 1: when you came into my life from a standpoint of like, 1568 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:20,599 Speaker 1: I'm a Lakers fan growing up, Fab five fan growing up, 1569 01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:22,960 Speaker 1: but then you came to Sacramento where I'm at him like, 1570 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,840 Speaker 1: because Sacramento basketball was terrible up to that point, I'm like, damn, 1571 01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:28,360 Speaker 1: we gotta see Webb. And then damn we got we 1572 01:16:28,479 --> 01:16:31,040 Speaker 1: got Jake Will too, and then you got you know, 1573 01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:34,680 Speaker 1: you got Bobby Jackson, you got Christie like Page, you 1574 01:16:34,760 --> 01:16:36,720 Speaker 1: gotta start building a squad. I'm like, okay, they got 1575 01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,120 Speaker 1: something here. So how long do you feel like it 1576 01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:40,840 Speaker 1: took you guys to get that chemistry? Because you said 1577 01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:42,360 Speaker 1: once you stepped on for you saw it in Sleep 1578 01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:46,080 Speaker 1: with j Will. One one we played San Antonio the 1579 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,639 Speaker 1: first game and I watched it for something a little 1580 01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,640 Speaker 1: while ago, and it was the first game everybody was on, like, 1581 01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,719 Speaker 1: I don't think it took that long. I remember delivering 1582 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,040 Speaker 1: pieces with Jay Will. We made the playoffs for the 1583 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:00,240 Speaker 1: first time in like ten eleven years, and it looked 1584 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:02,120 Speaker 1: like a college game because people were camping out for 1585 01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,439 Speaker 1: the playoffs to do out there, and me and Jay 1586 01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,439 Speaker 1: took the pizzas there, you know. But but you right, 1587 01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:08,920 Speaker 1: it ain't it ain't much to do out there, but 1588 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,080 Speaker 1: it is. And that's why I fell in love with Sacked, 1589 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,640 Speaker 1: because I was like these first motherfuckers that accept oh 1590 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:16,760 Speaker 1: they love you, they love and when they did that, 1591 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:18,720 Speaker 1: but you know how to stack when somebody put there, 1592 01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:20,439 Speaker 1: you know, it's like, if you want to trick me, 1593 01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,320 Speaker 1: just act like you love me. You know what I'm saying, 1594 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,400 Speaker 1: that's the easiest way because I'm like, oh, this is 1595 01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,960 Speaker 1: what it is, sat, this is what it is, and 1596 01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:29,000 Speaker 1: y'all Coyle Bell's y'all we got signed, lady. This this 1597 01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,719 Speaker 1: what y'all want. This is y'all want. So I found 1598 01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:35,240 Speaker 1: the home man. Remember when you thought about leaving the 1599 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:38,120 Speaker 1: want of the Moylan. They was ready to do anything 1600 01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,040 Speaker 1: for like we was the savior. You know, they came 1601 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,960 Speaker 1: to Sacramento. It was it was for real. So you 1602 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,479 Speaker 1: guys had some nice runs, um getting going. Obviously you know, 1603 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:52,720 Speaker 1: face the Lakers, um lose and then get him in 1604 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,799 Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. Seconds to that Western Conference Finals 1605 01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,720 Speaker 1: series because there was a lot of ship that went on, 1606 01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,720 Speaker 1: particularly Game six, and then you know they're going to 1607 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,680 Speaker 1: win in Sweet New Jersey. To me, that was that 1608 01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,439 Speaker 1: was your guys championship. Yeah, you know, it's funny because 1609 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,160 Speaker 1: I know we're gonna get a lot of flak from 1610 01:18:11,200 --> 01:18:13,080 Speaker 1: talking about this, but I just I want to say this. 1611 01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,880 Speaker 1: Everything i'm gonna say, I'm gonna saying stand by, But 1612 01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:17,960 Speaker 1: we didn't win the championship, so I'm not making that 1613 01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:22,200 Speaker 1: as excute. But we got cheated Game six, No question. 1614 01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:26,360 Speaker 1: It's just it's just no question. And people that say 1615 01:18:26,439 --> 01:18:29,040 Speaker 1: we didn't and don't watch the game. I don't even 1616 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,519 Speaker 1: have time to talk to. I even said one time, 1617 01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:36,880 Speaker 1: coming down, the fix is in. Nobody played defense. Ful 1618 01:18:37,000 --> 01:18:39,720 Speaker 1: that you played defense next time? You know what I mean? Like, 1619 01:18:40,040 --> 01:18:43,120 Speaker 1: it wasn't It wasn't the same as it is today. 1620 01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:46,400 Speaker 1: Everybody loved them for today. It's a nice team playing, 1621 01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? It wasn't the same. You 1622 01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,200 Speaker 1: could you could? You know. I've seen the podcast. I've 1623 01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,120 Speaker 1: gone down the rabbit holes. I'm not even gonna go 1624 01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:56,160 Speaker 1: there because I love the league and I do believe it. 1625 01:18:56,600 --> 01:18:59,120 Speaker 1: That was a one game by one bad guy probably 1626 01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:00,519 Speaker 1: or something like. I don't even really want to know 1627 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:03,280 Speaker 1: truthfully what happened. So I don't want to know. But 1628 01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:05,320 Speaker 1: I remember the locker room after that game. I said 1629 01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:07,639 Speaker 1: to the team in my life, it's the first time 1630 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,639 Speaker 1: I ever felt cheating in my life. And watching the game, 1631 01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,000 Speaker 1: I know what happened, and you know, you should have 1632 01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,320 Speaker 1: made our free those games seven. But I can't alive 1633 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: I was it was after game six. Ah, It's like 1634 01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:27,960 Speaker 1: they took my heart. Man. It was like I was like, 1635 01:19:28,280 --> 01:19:32,160 Speaker 1: if we can't like y'all see what it is. Well, 1636 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,120 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys were, you know, a tip away 1637 01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,320 Speaker 1: from going up three one. You know, mean you guys 1638 01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:39,240 Speaker 1: are about to go through up three one against Kobe 1639 01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,080 Speaker 1: and Shock's team, you know, I mean, and me and 1640 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:43,160 Speaker 1: me and Cole talked about me and Shock talk about it, 1641 01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:46,000 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, And they would say the 1642 01:19:46,040 --> 01:19:48,360 Speaker 1: exact same thing. E said, we should have won game seven. 1643 01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,040 Speaker 1: If you talked that win games seven? You know it's cold, 1644 01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:55,320 Speaker 1: you know you talked that, like all right, okay, and 1645 01:19:55,400 --> 01:19:59,360 Speaker 1: you're right right, but you know there's the But I 1646 01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,280 Speaker 1: like the st the play you guys brought to the league. Uh, 1647 01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,439 Speaker 1: you know, Don Nelson was an innovator. We were talking 1648 01:20:05,479 --> 01:20:07,479 Speaker 1: about this before the show. But they have two passing 1649 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,800 Speaker 1: bigs with the i Q and the vision that you 1650 01:20:09,920 --> 01:20:13,000 Speaker 1: and Bloody had and a bunch of shooters and a 1651 01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:18,920 Speaker 1: few playmakers around. You guys captivated basketball with your style 1652 01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,960 Speaker 1: of play. Uh what do you attribute that to? Buying in? 1653 01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,320 Speaker 1: You know, Coach Krel told me when I came to 1654 01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,240 Speaker 1: he was like, and Coach Krel a real one here, 1655 01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:32,599 Speaker 1: real when he would like bring you a beard back 1656 01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 1: of the bus and be like, you're mad at the son. Chris. 1657 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, no, like you want to be on the post. 1658 01:20:37,400 --> 01:20:39,320 Speaker 1: Huh you want the ball. He's like, I need you 1659 01:20:39,400 --> 01:20:42,000 Speaker 1: to play this way. He's like, you make people better, 1660 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:44,720 Speaker 1: continue to make people better. I was like, alright, coach, 1661 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:46,200 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's the thing. We 1662 01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:48,479 Speaker 1: had guys that could play. So it's easy to get 1663 01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,599 Speaker 1: a triple dum when you handed off the stack, Zack 1664 01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:51,920 Speaker 1: or you you know what I'm saying. So it's like, 1665 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,800 Speaker 1: be selfish for yourself to make everybody else, you know 1666 01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,599 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so I think it was all 1667 01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,280 Speaker 1: of us wanting to play. I think it was the work. 1668 01:20:58,360 --> 01:21:00,679 Speaker 1: I think I think it was do was like Doug 1669 01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:03,600 Speaker 1: Christie and Bobby Jackson, you know what I mean, Like 1670 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,320 Speaker 1: I think about how hard dog worked every day and practice, 1671 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:08,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I think about the spirit 1672 01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,639 Speaker 1: of our bench or how we were. So I think 1673 01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,280 Speaker 1: it was do we really care for each other and 1674 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:14,240 Speaker 1: we wanted to win, and we knew that was the 1675 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 1: only way we could win it with big old Diesel 1676 01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:18,720 Speaker 1: when cob over there, you know, so, but you're right 1677 01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,160 Speaker 1: we were that. Yeah, we was killing we was killing 1678 01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:27,320 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Yeah, that's the best record in the league 1679 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,040 Speaker 1: that year. How good would it like? One of the 1680 01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:32,280 Speaker 1: best teams ever period, one of the most dominant, one 1681 01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:34,439 Speaker 1: of the best teams ever, but one of the best 1682 01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:36,760 Speaker 1: coach teams ever. You ever have a coach talk to 1683 01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:40,200 Speaker 1: y'all and get y'all calm or work with you all 1684 01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:43,120 Speaker 1: mentally before a game. I have this film turn the 1685 01:21:43,200 --> 01:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Lights Off, Little Noises. We just sit here before we 1686 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:48,920 Speaker 1: watch film, and it was awesome. Other ship, I mean, 1687 01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,600 Speaker 1: come on, I mean even if you look at like, 1688 01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, Shaq car the other this teammates, you know, 1689 01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:56,479 Speaker 1: but just how you know, and you've had to play 1690 01:21:56,560 --> 01:21:58,479 Speaker 1: that role. You know how tough of a role it 1691 01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:00,519 Speaker 1: is to do your job in the iss your type 1692 01:22:00,640 --> 01:22:05,320 Speaker 1: role or in the who else? Even Smoky Smoky sorry 1693 01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:08,840 Speaker 1: if I ever seen some Moki uh Smoky dancing after 1694 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:11,960 Speaker 1: they wanted the championships anyway, So I want to play 1695 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:13,920 Speaker 1: against Smoki. I want to come out of retirement just 1696 01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:16,200 Speaker 1: to go one on one with Sbaki. But that's just 1697 01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,519 Speaker 1: in my head. But they were stack. They want the 1698 01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,559 Speaker 1: best teams because from their bitch to everybody on the beach, 1699 01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:25,160 Speaker 1: they all knew they roll man, that's why they you know, 1700 01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:27,720 Speaker 1: ain't nobody go rog Ain't nobody try to get one 1701 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:29,800 Speaker 1: for themselves, Rick Fox, ain't try to do nothing, you 1702 01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:32,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So with that team, man, they 1703 01:22:32,640 --> 01:22:34,439 Speaker 1: they didn't want the toughest step to play because you 1704 01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:37,200 Speaker 1: got a double shot. And I don't care when nobody 1705 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:39,240 Speaker 1: said cold, still was one of the coldest because he 1706 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:42,120 Speaker 1: would check your best player, ain't come down again thirty 1707 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:46,400 Speaker 1: after going over nineteen. Yeah, confidence the same, I can't 1708 01:22:46,400 --> 01:22:48,559 Speaker 1: take him off again. We I was on the team 1709 01:22:48,720 --> 01:22:50,320 Speaker 1: when they was on the way to a four pint 1710 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:52,439 Speaker 1: and we stopped in in San Antonio end winn. The 1711 01:22:52,479 --> 01:22:54,759 Speaker 1: championship with that team was special, man, because I remember 1712 01:22:55,760 --> 01:22:59,160 Speaker 1: what Kobe was willing them back into the series by himself. 1713 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,880 Speaker 1: You know, it's him that basically took shot out that year. 1714 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:04,560 Speaker 1: But Kobe was just just willing themselves back into the 1715 01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:06,240 Speaker 1: game by himself. And I knew they was trying to 1716 01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,160 Speaker 1: get that for a championship, you know what I mean, 1717 01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:09,880 Speaker 1: They was playing like it. But that team was one 1718 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:13,360 Speaker 1: of the best teams I've ever seen. Yea, So we 1719 01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:17,919 Speaker 1: get you guys fall short and Sacramento, Um, we discussed 1720 01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:22,560 Speaker 1: earlier the trade to Philly, um and then after that 1721 01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,320 Speaker 1: you hit a few, you get a chance to go home. 1722 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:27,519 Speaker 1: Talk to us about the Detroit situation before you hung 1723 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,240 Speaker 1: it up. Best locker room I've been there. Who's in there? 1724 01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:34,160 Speaker 1: Who would remind us of the locker room? She Chauncey 1725 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:47,040 Speaker 1: rep re tation mc dice, the campbell, Huh, it was 1726 01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:49,880 Speaker 1: the best team, man, just because we all were old. 1727 01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:54,479 Speaker 1: It just was no bullshit. There's no bullshit. It was 1728 01:23:55,479 --> 01:23:58,360 Speaker 1: out of practice, like for real. I got taped, so 1729 01:23:58,479 --> 01:24:01,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. Freeze uh and in 1730 01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,120 Speaker 1: Vegas now has made him jump in the pool. So 1731 01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,599 Speaker 1: so we would bring our boys that like two on two. 1732 01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:10,719 Speaker 1: I'm talking about guys getting off work from the factory. 1733 01:24:11,040 --> 01:24:13,360 Speaker 1: I got two of them coming and ripped. Got to 1734 01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:16,120 Speaker 1: everybody got to, and we're betting on our boys to win. 1735 01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,760 Speaker 1: Videotaping it. Joe d they favorite player is sitting right 1736 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,240 Speaker 1: here and watching them. We got somebody taking score in 1737 01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:24,400 Speaker 1: Sometimes you might just have somebody coming in the chin. 1738 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:27,479 Speaker 1: So we get out of practice earlier every day because 1739 01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:30,639 Speaker 1: we got a bracket of our teams. Your boys playing. 1740 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:35,759 Speaker 1: Freeze is playing with his with his girlfriend. She freeze 1741 01:24:35,880 --> 01:24:39,200 Speaker 1: fat freeze time Freeze used to be nice fat time 1742 01:24:39,240 --> 01:24:40,760 Speaker 1: and she's like, come on, man, we got this money. 1743 01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:42,439 Speaker 1: Come on, she smacked. You know. So now they ag't 1744 01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,960 Speaker 1: together no more. You know, they're fighting with this man. 1745 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,599 Speaker 1: I used to be live man, bringing the hood and there, 1746 01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:49,920 Speaker 1: but that that was the best man. It was this 1747 01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:53,760 Speaker 1: great leadership, the best, you know. But we appreciate you. 1748 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,519 Speaker 1: You trying to make a pit stop knowing, not knowing 1749 01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,120 Speaker 1: the full length, but you know the kind of the 1750 01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,000 Speaker 1: way that that that Nelly fuck you over your first run. 1751 01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:02,559 Speaker 1: You tried to come funk with us the year after 1752 01:25:02,640 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 1: we believe, and you know, we were so excited to 1753 01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:08,040 Speaker 1: get you, but then kind of seeing Nellie come back 1754 01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:10,519 Speaker 1: to being Nellie, and then that's the year I was 1755 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:13,320 Speaker 1: thankful for Nellie. The first year. The second years, when 1756 01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,000 Speaker 1: my mom died and I didn't sign a long term deal. 1757 01:25:16,080 --> 01:25:17,400 Speaker 1: He wanted me to sign a three year deal, and 1758 01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:18,639 Speaker 1: I was just here and I can get more money, 1759 01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:20,640 Speaker 1: so I took the shorter term deal. So when I 1760 01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:22,880 Speaker 1: come back from just the craziness of my mom dying, 1761 01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 1: this motherfucker pulls me outside outside of practice and tells 1762 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:29,320 Speaker 1: me I'm glad you didn't take the long term deal. 1763 01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:33,519 Speaker 1: Your time is up here. And I'm like, after all 1764 01:25:33,600 --> 01:25:36,439 Speaker 1: the ship, all the ship you just saw after my 1765 01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:39,160 Speaker 1: mom just died, and he motherfucker' stuck to his word. 1766 01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:41,799 Speaker 1: I barely played the rest of the season right, scarily 1767 01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,479 Speaker 1: played the rest of the season. Bro So, I had 1768 01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,479 Speaker 1: so much admiration because he really gave me my first 1769 01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,639 Speaker 1: shot shot to really hoop. And then the following season 1770 01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:50,240 Speaker 1: we rolled on me. And I'm just like, damn, so 1771 01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:51,920 Speaker 1: I saw we were talking about it before, Like Jack 1772 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:53,680 Speaker 1: has some good memories with him. He allowed Jack to 1773 01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:56,560 Speaker 1: do some things, but like your situation, my situation is 1774 01:25:56,640 --> 01:25:58,960 Speaker 1: kind of he fucked out like that too. So Nellie 1775 01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:01,400 Speaker 1: was like he was good at building, somebody is quick 1776 01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:03,320 Speaker 1: to burn it down. He didn't trust he you know, 1777 01:26:04,600 --> 01:26:06,599 Speaker 1: I mean, there's no bad way about him. But y'all 1778 01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,720 Speaker 1: ever been on vacation, like and you're going to a 1779 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,280 Speaker 1: certain part of the city, like another country, and it's 1780 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,360 Speaker 1: like a bunch of dogs that haven't eating the things 1781 01:26:14,680 --> 01:26:16,880 Speaker 1: that you ever noticed. Like if you go like this 1782 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,120 Speaker 1: to the dog, the dog, the dog is the starving 1783 01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:23,040 Speaker 1: for years and he won't get close to your hand. 1784 01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, he hungry dog, and he 1785 01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,840 Speaker 1: won't trust you because probably people are smacking him shop. 1786 01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,240 Speaker 1: That's how I felt them. All I kept thinking was dog, 1787 01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,240 Speaker 1: if you knew, like how loyal? You know what I'm saying? 1788 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:36,679 Speaker 1: I'm calling money? Like what time to go to practice? 1789 01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,720 Speaker 1: Like I wanted to be a disciple of all of 1790 01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:41,760 Speaker 1: these dudes, Like what's I don't even get what's the 1791 01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:43,880 Speaker 1: problem here? You know what I'm saying? And then he 1792 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:47,120 Speaker 1: would come apologize, But then there many he apologized, say 1793 01:26:47,160 --> 01:26:49,560 Speaker 1: something negative in the paper, you know, because it suck me. 1794 01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a minute, is it me? Is you? 1795 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,200 Speaker 1: Then that's when I was like, you know what, everybody 1796 01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,439 Speaker 1: got their own bag, man, you got some bags? Carry 1797 01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,519 Speaker 1: your ship over there because I can't get but that 1798 01:26:57,560 --> 01:26:59,519 Speaker 1: don't I don't surprise, but I tell you this. I 1799 01:26:59,600 --> 01:27:03,720 Speaker 1: didn't necessary like the way I retired, but I appreciated 1800 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:06,880 Speaker 1: y'all man, because all I kept thinking that Philly was man. 1801 01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:10,720 Speaker 1: If I was two years younger, playing with used to 1802 01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:13,400 Speaker 1: be in my mind like ay, I I can't even 1803 01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,600 Speaker 1: give you. I can't even give you what I what 1804 01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:18,519 Speaker 1: I wanted to give you, And I ain't realized I'm 1805 01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,879 Speaker 1: averaged the most with him as a teammate. That's stupid, 1806 01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,120 Speaker 1: because he the best I ever played with. So when 1807 01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:26,120 Speaker 1: I got there with y'all and I saw these young boys, 1808 01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:28,560 Speaker 1: y'all have just did that to uh the Dallas the 1809 01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:30,519 Speaker 1: year before him, Like, yeah, man, I could be here, 1810 01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 1: I could be an old man. Yeah I had some 1811 01:27:32,280 --> 01:27:34,240 Speaker 1: good time to play a little thing, get a bunch 1812 01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:36,320 Speaker 1: of sists, but it ain't work out. But it was, 1813 01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was cool for me talk 1814 01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:41,280 Speaker 1: real quick about AI because I don't think we got 1815 01:27:41,320 --> 01:27:43,200 Speaker 1: to see an on a day to day basis, how 1816 01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,280 Speaker 1: little he was, how beat up he was, but still 1817 01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:48,080 Speaker 1: how hard he was able to go night and night out, 1818 01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,480 Speaker 1: and the great person he was. Because that's another misconception, 1819 01:27:53,240 --> 01:27:55,639 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I love that dude. Man, that's nothing 1820 01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,160 Speaker 1: over the pandemic. But probably two years before I started 1821 01:27:59,240 --> 01:28:02,080 Speaker 1: making sure with Cats, I said, I love you, like look, 1822 01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:07,800 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, So he's somebody I 1823 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,240 Speaker 1: need to do that too, because I don't think the 1824 01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,400 Speaker 1: world knew what he was taking on his shoulders, you 1825 01:28:12,479 --> 01:28:15,360 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, how he was helping people, um, 1826 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,120 Speaker 1: how he was growing, and how he was the coldest 1827 01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:21,000 Speaker 1: the codes like they always talked about that practice practice 1828 01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,000 Speaker 1: comment that was like after his man and past, Like 1829 01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,200 Speaker 1: how did he get to that joke? Went after my 1830 01:28:26,360 --> 01:28:30,000 Speaker 1: man passed, I'm telling you practice don't mean nothing, practice 1831 01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:32,080 Speaker 1: practice and then y'all turn to a joke as if 1832 01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,280 Speaker 1: my man didn't die for that, you know. So the 1833 01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:37,760 Speaker 1: fact he just not going the fact he could be 1834 01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:40,479 Speaker 1: saying and cold, but again, I've never seen nobody what 1835 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:44,240 Speaker 1: do you wait? One forty if that one forty going 1836 01:28:44,280 --> 01:28:46,200 Speaker 1: to the army. I remember we were watching him in 1837 01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:49,120 Speaker 1: Milwaukee play me. He was just laughing. I think he 1838 01:28:49,160 --> 01:28:52,000 Speaker 1: had like sixty or fifty eight to cool cold. You 1839 01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:53,880 Speaker 1: just asked me how I would play in the league today? 1840 01:28:54,200 --> 01:28:57,280 Speaker 1: How would he playing the league? Unbelievable. When y'all play 1841 01:28:57,280 --> 01:29:00,920 Speaker 1: in the league, you couldn't shoot a guard. Wasn't good, 1842 01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:02,880 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you know forty five, 1843 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:06,680 Speaker 1: like now you use the average? Yeah? Average? Playing with him, man, 1844 01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:09,439 Speaker 1: playing with him, you know that was That's that's one 1845 01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,960 Speaker 1: of the highlights of my career, suiting it up with 1846 01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:15,280 Speaker 1: him every night, seeing how he just no matter what happened, 1847 01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:21,200 Speaker 1: he turned it on hard. He talked a Saturday the 1848 01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:23,840 Speaker 1: other I ain't talked to say it's weird ass in 1849 01:29:23,880 --> 01:29:28,720 Speaker 1: a minute. That was crazy love that kung fu karate ship. 1850 01:29:30,040 --> 01:29:32,240 Speaker 1: What did you stop putting your post career playing together? 1851 01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:36,320 Speaker 1: I just fell into it, bro, That's kind of how 1852 01:29:36,360 --> 01:29:38,200 Speaker 1: it happened. That's kind of how it happens. So you 1853 01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,439 Speaker 1: don't want to believe it's over. M I'm out there 1854 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:46,479 Speaker 1: limping looking dumb on the court, fat you know what 1855 01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:48,840 Speaker 1: I mean, can't get into shape because your knee won't work. 1856 01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:50,559 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You don't want to let 1857 01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:57,840 Speaker 1: it go, so, you know, turner to call. I think 1858 01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,840 Speaker 1: it was good that I was going back from a 1859 01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:03,719 Speaker 1: a Turner and called. I knew ESPN it kind of wanted, 1860 01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:05,600 Speaker 1: but I didn't know where to fit in anything, and 1861 01:30:05,680 --> 01:30:09,280 Speaker 1: it just I thank god they called me because you know, now, 1862 01:30:09,360 --> 01:30:10,960 Speaker 1: once I got in there, I was like, oh, this 1863 01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:13,679 Speaker 1: is what I want to do. But before then, I really, 1864 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,600 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, I thought, truthfully, doll, I 1865 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,880 Speaker 1: thought I was gonna move someplace like when my town 1866 01:30:18,960 --> 01:30:21,519 Speaker 1: is something I ain't never been, and get a big 1867 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:23,800 Speaker 1: phone and just just check out and just check out. 1868 01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:29,680 Speaker 1: So I kind of did that happen. Yeah, yeah, I'm 1869 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,880 Speaker 1: glad that didn't happen. So what what was it? What 1870 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,400 Speaker 1: was it like getting in there? Obviously what you know 1871 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,360 Speaker 1: at the beginning you were able to work with with 1872 01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:40,640 Speaker 1: Charles and Kenny in in um Ernie. What was that 1873 01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,680 Speaker 1: experience like, because I mean, that's that's the show for 1874 01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,000 Speaker 1: as as Hoopers, that's the show we all pay attention to. 1875 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,439 Speaker 1: So now you went from Hooping right to that show. 1876 01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:49,720 Speaker 1: I ain't gonna I haven't been out. You know. They 1877 01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,439 Speaker 1: say when we retired, we missed the locker room, not 1878 01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,439 Speaker 1: the game. That's the same thing. I get the locker 1879 01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:59,120 Speaker 1: room there. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's it's it's a 1880 01:30:59,200 --> 01:31:01,760 Speaker 1: blessing man, something about just being thankful, like if you 1881 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:04,680 Speaker 1: told me, okay, you can't make the league and you're 1882 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:06,400 Speaker 1: gonna have to work at the train station. But when 1883 01:31:06,439 --> 01:31:08,080 Speaker 1: you get forward and you could go work and turn 1884 01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:09,960 Speaker 1: up all right, kind of signed up, you know what 1885 01:31:10,040 --> 01:31:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean. So it's it's cool, man, It's all it is. 1886 01:31:13,120 --> 01:31:17,800 Speaker 1: It's about twelve screens like this in the back usually 1887 01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:24,080 Speaker 1: Chuck watching uh, Peter Griffin, Yeah, exactly, family guys something. 1888 01:31:24,120 --> 01:31:26,320 Speaker 1: We're watching all that, and you keep checking back on 1889 01:31:26,400 --> 01:31:28,479 Speaker 1: the games. People making fun of you. You're sitting at 1890 01:31:28,520 --> 01:31:31,200 Speaker 1: the table, somebody walked by, smacking the head tip your 1891 01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:32,760 Speaker 1: drink over, you get something to eat, you know what 1892 01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:34,920 Speaker 1: I mean. It's it's just like if yeah, it's just 1893 01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:36,439 Speaker 1: like this right now, you know what I mean. It's 1894 01:31:36,479 --> 01:31:39,800 Speaker 1: all love, nothing personal. And so that's you know, that's 1895 01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,080 Speaker 1: that's really what you know. That was the best for 1896 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,559 Speaker 1: me being on there. But I think when big fella come, 1897 01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:46,880 Speaker 1: you can't. You got a big shock on there. So 1898 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,760 Speaker 1: then I understand, Okay, let's take advantage of doing these 1899 01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:52,479 Speaker 1: games and things like that. And so you know, once 1900 01:31:52,560 --> 01:31:54,120 Speaker 1: I didn't know stack what I wanted to do, but 1901 01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:55,680 Speaker 1: when I figured it out, and I try to tell 1902 01:31:55,680 --> 01:31:58,479 Speaker 1: a lot of young old players, because young players, I 1903 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:00,600 Speaker 1: didn't try to make you feel guilty as athlete, like 1904 01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:02,360 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of players go broke or you 1905 01:32:02,439 --> 01:32:04,760 Speaker 1: know whatever. The horror stories are. Get ready for your 1906 01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:06,559 Speaker 1: career and now I'm gonna tell you that. But also 1907 01:32:06,720 --> 01:32:08,479 Speaker 1: when you get to the end of your career, you'll 1908 01:32:08,520 --> 01:32:11,360 Speaker 1: figure it out. I mean, you learned how to play basketball, 1909 01:32:11,400 --> 01:32:12,360 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They try to make it 1910 01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:15,120 Speaker 1: like basketball is it's a rebel, you know, it isn't 1911 01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:16,920 Speaker 1: smart that you don't have to work your way. When 1912 01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:19,640 Speaker 1: I got the time, I was a rookie, work my 1913 01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:21,840 Speaker 1: way from the bottom, take these licks, do what I 1914 01:32:21,920 --> 01:32:25,120 Speaker 1: gotta do, be frustrated and earn my spot. You know 1915 01:32:25,160 --> 01:32:27,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is so hopefully a lot of young 1916 01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,920 Speaker 1: players out there just take notes on what they like 1917 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,840 Speaker 1: to do. Just just take something what you like to do, 1918 01:32:32,960 --> 01:32:34,880 Speaker 1: and hopefully you know your life will give you the 1919 01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,880 Speaker 1: opportunity to be able to go in those areas. But yes, 1920 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:39,800 Speaker 1: that I didn't know I came from. But that kind 1921 01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,479 Speaker 1: of ship's inspiring and and I don't think it's something 1922 01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,519 Speaker 1: Jack and I kind of realized too, obviously, like when 1923 01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:47,400 Speaker 1: we saw the transition of you doing like damn okay, 1924 01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:48,880 Speaker 1: well's gonna like the T and T And then we 1925 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,080 Speaker 1: funk around and get a podcast right around, and it's 1926 01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:56,200 Speaker 1: a winning I don't know how to funk, y'all. Hey, 1927 01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,240 Speaker 1: I love it, Hey, I love it a matter fact, 1928 01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,040 Speaker 1: I think I want the world show that. Hey, I 1929 01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,720 Speaker 1: say that to you all too. I was laughing when 1930 01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,920 Speaker 1: he's said it, because I'm like episode, because we could 1931 01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:10,719 Speaker 1: do anything now, Like you talk about the balls and stuff, 1932 01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,760 Speaker 1: I'm meant my brother was a lawyer and all this 1933 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,439 Speaker 1: he had braids. Hey, I made it easier for him 1934 01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:18,280 Speaker 1: at work, you know what I'm saying, Like all of this, 1935 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:20,800 Speaker 1: Like I'm telling you that's why I'm stealing your energy now, 1936 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:23,240 Speaker 1: like my young boys gotta show. But what's wanna talk 1937 01:33:23,280 --> 01:33:25,639 Speaker 1: to me about from the car now? I ain't even 1938 01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna call you know what I'm saying. So I love it. Dog, 1939 01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:32,679 Speaker 1: They're not gonna steal this joy but being successful because 1940 01:33:32,680 --> 01:33:36,080 Speaker 1: when it turns into is protection. Don't just have this? 1941 01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:38,200 Speaker 1: Is that? This is that you know? And I'm just saying, 1942 01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:40,720 Speaker 1: it's just it's just joyful to know. I didn't know. 1943 01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:43,400 Speaker 1: And when I y'all the show, I'm like, what's naming 1944 01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:50,120 Speaker 1: that show up? And smoke out? Said hell hanging who 1945 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,960 Speaker 1: they so And to the people that believe me, shot 1946 01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,439 Speaker 1: shot it out because it takes whether it's diversity, whether 1947 01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,479 Speaker 1: it's getting your dream, whether it's including people you know 1948 01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:00,960 Speaker 1: whoever y'all pitched it too, or ever picture to y'all 1949 01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:03,839 Speaker 1: and believe that those those in the minds the outside 1950 01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:06,240 Speaker 1: the box. But like I said, they other people could 1951 01:34:06,240 --> 01:34:08,640 Speaker 1: see us like Okay, they're doing it. You're doing that 1952 01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,400 Speaker 1: Like there's there, there are options. Eddie Haskell, he used 1953 01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,519 Speaker 1: to just be sitting back watching, just just sitting back watching. 1954 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:16,280 Speaker 1: You can tell he was soaking up for all that ship. 1955 01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:18,120 Speaker 1: I was talking about that on the way here. I 1956 01:34:18,200 --> 01:34:20,559 Speaker 1: said that that's just one thing about us. The best 1957 01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:22,519 Speaker 1: thing about men and him was we've both been team 1958 01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,960 Speaker 1: players our whole life, NBA, high school, We've always been 1959 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:29,720 Speaker 1: team players. So with this, it comes from us being 1960 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:32,639 Speaker 1: able to play our role. Let my brother leave, not follow. 1961 01:34:32,840 --> 01:34:34,320 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, what I feeling like, I 1962 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:36,360 Speaker 1: need to be in front. That's why we win. That's 1963 01:34:36,400 --> 01:34:39,599 Speaker 1: the only reason. Because anything he wants for me without 1964 01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:43,040 Speaker 1: me being in the building, anything want from himself, excuse me, 1965 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:45,080 Speaker 1: without me being a building, I know he won't for me, 1966 01:34:45,200 --> 01:34:47,280 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And that's that's that's the nuts. 1967 01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,640 Speaker 1: Jack came me up and let me know what, Just 1968 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:52,200 Speaker 1: let me know we got to sign a contract. Just 1969 01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:54,000 Speaker 1: the black stuff we don't get to see because we 1970 01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:56,479 Speaker 1: only see this, that, this, that, this that. But like 1971 01:34:56,640 --> 01:34:59,519 Speaker 1: even the fact, like this motherfucker text me a twelve 1972 01:34:59,640 --> 01:35:02,160 Speaker 1: last talking about we got to show a twin tomorrow. 1973 01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:07,360 Speaker 1: If that's the way it should be right, no, little man, 1974 01:35:07,960 --> 01:35:10,720 Speaker 1: don't call my agent. Don't call my agent. Dog like, 1975 01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:12,439 Speaker 1: that's the ship. Didn't make me mad at you. Now 1976 01:35:12,600 --> 01:35:14,600 Speaker 1: if I don't answer the phone twice, I get it. 1977 01:35:14,720 --> 01:35:16,800 Speaker 1: Then you have to. But this is the strength I 1978 01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,280 Speaker 1: take out of it because I want my son to 1979 01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:19,720 Speaker 1: be like, no, we don't hate look at that. Get 1980 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,360 Speaker 1: the show with that to your twins, an example for 1981 01:35:22,479 --> 01:35:24,720 Speaker 1: my twins. You know what I'm saying, So yeah, man, 1982 01:35:24,800 --> 01:35:26,880 Speaker 1: like it's it's just love seeing brothers do their thing 1983 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,960 Speaker 1: athlete and activism. You're teaching the online online course. You've 1984 01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:33,560 Speaker 1: been on it, and let's say that he'd been on 1985 01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,640 Speaker 1: it more. But I was gonna say that to say, like, 1986 01:35:35,720 --> 01:35:37,760 Speaker 1: I know your mom is proud of that. Talk to 1987 01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:39,720 Speaker 1: us about what you're doing with Ed Moore house. She 1988 01:35:39,920 --> 01:35:42,120 Speaker 1: probably you know that she ain't give me the stamp yet. 1989 01:35:42,200 --> 01:35:44,040 Speaker 1: You know she's still like, yeah, let me see what's next. 1990 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:49,840 Speaker 1: You mean, yeah, man, she uh, it's a blessing. So 1991 01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,760 Speaker 1: all I do, man, is I try to teach the 1992 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,920 Speaker 1: youth today that it's a dope guy like Kappennick and 1993 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,920 Speaker 1: what Lebron and them doing, and before them, it was 1994 01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,920 Speaker 1: Dr carloson and Dr Evers. That's all. That's that's all. 1995 01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,519 Speaker 1: I just want everybody to know that Will Rudolph she 1996 01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:07,080 Speaker 1: was nice and tracked, but she was better in tennis 1997 01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:09,519 Speaker 1: and could you imagine that they didn't let her play? 1998 01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:12,920 Speaker 1: Like let's you know history right. Lebron to me has 1999 01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:15,439 Speaker 1: done some of the most ever, Like I admired him 2000 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:17,760 Speaker 1: off the court, damn the morning on the court. And 2001 01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:19,320 Speaker 1: what I want the kids to get is that this 2002 01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,439 Speaker 1: is where y'all gotta take it from. Don't compare him 2003 01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,240 Speaker 1: with what Kareem and Jim Brown in them then because 2004 01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:28,920 Speaker 1: they didn't have social media and they had one company 2005 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,840 Speaker 1: said say something, Well, I'm gonna take all that. You know, 2006 01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:33,080 Speaker 1: they didn't have it. So I just wanted to be 2007 01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:35,040 Speaker 1: more of an appreciation. That's that's all. It is, just 2008 01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:38,880 Speaker 1: a study of protests. Was protests? Was the brothers cause righteous? 2009 01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:42,040 Speaker 1: What made them do it? Are they happy they stood 2010 01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:44,160 Speaker 1: the way they did? What they do it again? And 2011 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,280 Speaker 1: really talking to him like so one class I really 2012 01:36:47,360 --> 01:36:51,280 Speaker 1: like is we talked about um kind of fair trade 2013 01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:53,479 Speaker 1: and fair trade when you think about it is because 2014 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,920 Speaker 1: of Spencer Haywood. Spencer Haywood came out he was poor 2015 01:36:57,080 --> 01:36:59,880 Speaker 1: there was no term called hardship. So he came out 2016 01:36:59,920 --> 01:37:02,439 Speaker 1: of Mississippi. His mother was picking cotton when he was 2017 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:06,160 Speaker 1: in the league, and so he gets suspended, all this 2018 01:37:06,240 --> 01:37:08,840 Speaker 1: other stuff. He takes his court case to the Supreme Court. 2019 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:10,760 Speaker 1: If he didn't do that, it would have been a code, 2020 01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,320 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been a kg have been other players. So 2021 01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,000 Speaker 1: just to let them know, like you look at him 2022 01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,280 Speaker 1: as a basketball player again, because they try to dump 2023 01:37:17,360 --> 01:37:19,640 Speaker 1: down a lot of a lot of things because you're 2024 01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,320 Speaker 1: an athlete or your sport. And I just want to know. 2025 01:37:21,400 --> 01:37:23,040 Speaker 1: I know, I know you think it's about him coming 2026 01:37:23,080 --> 01:37:25,360 Speaker 1: out and getting out here early, but you really should 2027 01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,519 Speaker 1: see that because of what he did, players that came 2028 01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:32,320 Speaker 1: out early made thirty billion dollars. So we talked about 2029 01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,600 Speaker 1: the fear he had. You know, he comeing from Mississippi. 2030 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,080 Speaker 1: Can't you know, do a lot of things other people 2031 01:37:37,120 --> 01:37:39,679 Speaker 1: could do. And he's gonna take this stand for everybody else, 2032 01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:41,400 Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So I just want us 2033 01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:45,240 Speaker 1: to appreciate everybody had to do something to get us 2034 01:37:45,320 --> 01:37:47,439 Speaker 1: all to this point. For some people that would be quiet. 2035 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,400 Speaker 1: For some people who just study raised hell, you know 2036 01:37:50,439 --> 01:37:52,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. And so with that, I'm just trying 2037 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,160 Speaker 1: to make sure I bring up you know, men and 2038 01:37:54,200 --> 01:37:56,800 Speaker 1: when the athletes that have made an impact through protests 2039 01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:58,680 Speaker 1: and now you know, we talked about it, you know, 2040 01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:00,320 Speaker 1: and I thought it was dope knowing you were doing 2041 01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:01,920 Speaker 1: that and then seeing you know, all the ship he 2042 01:38:01,960 --> 01:38:03,360 Speaker 1: didn't on the front line. You know, I've kind of 2043 01:38:03,400 --> 01:38:05,519 Speaker 1: been in the activism space for him for the years, 2044 01:38:05,560 --> 01:38:07,240 Speaker 1: but to see you know, him be a part of, 2045 01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:10,479 Speaker 1: tellingly the biggest protests in the history of the you 2046 01:38:10,520 --> 01:38:12,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean that we've ever seen. No, I 2047 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,080 Speaker 1: don't think you understanding because you know he's still in it. 2048 01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,200 Speaker 1: He can't steal in it, you know, I mean, but 2049 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:18,680 Speaker 1: to be able to see that in it, and it 2050 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:21,240 Speaker 1: just goes to show like it's we're supposed to be 2051 01:38:21,320 --> 01:38:25,000 Speaker 1: dumb athletes, I mean, but yet we're sparking like Tupacs 2052 01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,759 Speaker 1: that I might not change the world, but I guarantee 2053 01:38:26,760 --> 01:38:29,400 Speaker 1: I'll spark the mind that doesn't. That's our job to 2054 01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:31,960 Speaker 1: spark these minds. And I think that what we've been 2055 01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,960 Speaker 1: able to do off the court, you know, is special. 2056 01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:38,040 Speaker 1: You know. Accomplishing to be in the NBA, is you 2057 01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:39,800 Speaker 1: have a better chance to get instruct by lightning, and 2058 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,200 Speaker 1: we all enjoyed that. But I'm saying, the impact we're 2059 01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,400 Speaker 1: able to make post career, to me is what's the 2060 01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,559 Speaker 1: most important. That's why we're not see and he hates 2061 01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:50,960 Speaker 1: you get our laugh because I know, I know your 2062 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:52,880 Speaker 1: mom built for it. I don't even care, like they 2063 01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,640 Speaker 1: don't even know, like this this is a part of 2064 01:38:54,680 --> 01:38:56,360 Speaker 1: y'all see but you don't know where it comes from 2065 01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,400 Speaker 1: it When I say you stack, I don't know you 2066 01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,240 Speaker 1: as well, but I and following you and I know 2067 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:03,360 Speaker 1: you you're doing some things and I know you know 2068 01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,080 Speaker 1: what you're doing, but when God using you, you don't know. 2069 01:39:06,680 --> 01:39:08,200 Speaker 1: You don't know what you're doing. You don't You're just 2070 01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:10,560 Speaker 1: going strong. You're strong, and that's all I need you 2071 01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,439 Speaker 1: to keep doing because from day one, the way you've 2072 01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,040 Speaker 1: handled this, I mean, you've inspired people that don't know 2073 01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:17,439 Speaker 1: nothing about who You made people come to me and 2074 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:19,600 Speaker 1: hold me more accountable. You know what I'm saying, Like, 2075 01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,840 Speaker 1: that's that's the way I think it happens in the 2076 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:25,320 Speaker 1: largest in my lifetime that I can think, especially because 2077 01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,240 Speaker 1: it is and it's gonna have a long lasting effect. 2078 01:39:27,280 --> 01:39:30,320 Speaker 1: And seeing you and his daughter or understanding what it's 2079 01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:33,160 Speaker 1: gonna do to someone thirty years later. Think about the 2080 01:39:33,280 --> 01:39:35,960 Speaker 1: documentary when they have to tell this story thirty fifty, 2081 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:38,760 Speaker 1: a hundred years later of of what happened to make 2082 01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,200 Speaker 1: basketball stop? You know what I mean? So I thank you, dog, 2083 01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,160 Speaker 1: because because I know it getting lonely a time. I 2084 01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:45,840 Speaker 1: know you've got people around you, and I know all that. 2085 01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:48,639 Speaker 1: But I thank you, dog, and you're supposed to your 2086 01:39:48,680 --> 01:39:52,120 Speaker 1: bill for you. I appreciate it. And it goes back 2087 01:39:52,160 --> 01:39:54,680 Speaker 1: to what you said, like I don't know what I'm doing, 2088 01:39:54,800 --> 01:39:57,560 Speaker 1: but like you said, you're teaching people before us. I 2089 01:39:57,680 --> 01:40:00,320 Speaker 1: got to read no, Marcus Garbin, Marcus Garbin. I fell 2090 01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:02,320 Speaker 1: in love with him because a lot of the things 2091 01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,920 Speaker 1: that I think about, I'm getting answers from him on 2092 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,400 Speaker 1: what he did and how to do it, you know 2093 01:40:07,439 --> 01:40:09,479 Speaker 1: what I mean. Like like you said, every everything that 2094 01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:11,360 Speaker 1: we're doing or try to go, we try to reach 2095 01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:15,240 Speaker 1: somebody's done it before. But but we need to understand 2096 01:40:15,320 --> 01:40:17,920 Speaker 1: what they did so we can continue to go forward 2097 01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:20,520 Speaker 1: and build off what they did, not just be obsolutely 2098 01:40:20,920 --> 01:40:23,120 Speaker 1: I'll put aside what they did because it's not it's 2099 01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,960 Speaker 1: not today, but it still matters because it's still relevant 2100 01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:28,400 Speaker 1: and people don't think. I said the other day Sean 2101 01:40:28,479 --> 01:40:31,360 Speaker 1: Connery was seventy six. He's two years old than wal 2102 01:40:31,479 --> 01:40:33,840 Speaker 1: Luther King. So when Luke King was King that killed. 2103 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,679 Speaker 1: That wasn't that long ago. But you gotta make people 2104 01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:43,040 Speaker 1: understand stuff like that. Still in this position, keeping he's 2105 01:40:43,080 --> 01:40:49,880 Speaker 1: definitely twenty twenty one NBA Hall of Fame finalists. What 2106 01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:51,400 Speaker 1: is that? I want to read the list to you 2107 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:53,519 Speaker 1: real quick before you tell me what it means. Your coach, 2108 01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,799 Speaker 1: Rick Adam and Paul Pierce, Chris Bosh, Michael Cooper, Ben Wallace, 2109 01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,840 Speaker 1: You're Loanda Griffin, Lauren Jackson, Tim Hardaway, Bill Russell as 2110 01:41:01,840 --> 01:41:04,880 Speaker 1: a coach. What does what does that mean? You know, 2111 01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:07,960 Speaker 1: coming from the inner city Detroit and in your journey, 2112 01:41:08,160 --> 01:41:11,200 Speaker 1: the ups, the downs, the in between. To me, it's 2113 01:41:11,200 --> 01:41:13,560 Speaker 1: about time. But when you hear it, what does it 2114 01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:18,439 Speaker 1: mean to you? Man? It was it was just me wow. 2115 01:41:18,640 --> 01:41:21,000 Speaker 1: You know, you know in my mind, you know, you 2116 01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:23,880 Speaker 1: feel like, okay, I should or all that I played 2117 01:41:23,880 --> 01:41:27,120 Speaker 1: against this guy. But in your mind you're just like, damn, 2118 01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,680 Speaker 1: I can't even believe it's you. You dreaming win championships, 2119 01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:32,400 Speaker 1: to shoot commercial you know, I dream to make the 2120 01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:34,640 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. You know what I'm saying. So it 2121 01:41:34,720 --> 01:41:37,559 Speaker 1: would uh man, that would that would that would definitely 2122 01:41:37,600 --> 01:41:40,240 Speaker 1: be honored. Man, that would definitely. It was dope to 2123 01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,000 Speaker 1: us because we did a live show at All Star 2124 01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:44,960 Speaker 1: last year and KG gets to talking and you were 2125 01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:47,000 Speaker 1: one of one of his main people. He looked up 2126 01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,639 Speaker 1: to you know what I mean and like to say, 2127 01:41:49,680 --> 01:41:51,320 Speaker 1: you don't really like you just told Jack, you don't 2128 01:41:51,320 --> 01:41:53,320 Speaker 1: realize what it is while you're in it, and once 2129 01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,160 Speaker 1: you kind of take a step back and you hear 2130 01:41:55,280 --> 01:41:58,320 Speaker 1: someone like you know, KG say you know I should 2131 01:41:58,320 --> 01:42:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm out of my game at the Sea where in 2132 01:42:00,320 --> 01:42:03,519 Speaker 1: me so much because he was my favorite NBA player 2133 01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:06,439 Speaker 1: during my time and you know me, so fuck you. 2134 01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:10,599 Speaker 1: I ain't working out right. It was different back there now. 2135 01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:12,519 Speaker 1: I saw him in Turning. I saw that T and 2136 01:42:12,600 --> 01:42:15,960 Speaker 1: T the first time after I retired from my game, 2137 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:18,120 Speaker 1: A hug like, man, we're gonna hang out now, and 2138 01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:19,920 Speaker 1: I've been waiting. I've been wanting to hang out with 2139 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:22,280 Speaker 1: you dog. You know what I'm saying, And that's yeah. 2140 01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:23,960 Speaker 1: So when you tell me that and knowing that you 2141 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,559 Speaker 1: know that's just yeah, that's Dompe. But Uh, that's that's 2142 01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:31,720 Speaker 1: great when your favorites tell you that's real. Bit alright, man, 2143 01:42:31,800 --> 01:42:34,800 Speaker 1: quick hitters. Last five questions. First thing to come to mind, 2144 01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:43,439 Speaker 1: answer favorite teammate. Damn, that's how I know right here 2145 01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,639 Speaker 1: we had a man, we had we was I'm excited 2146 01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,080 Speaker 1: to be hard, but it's hard. And I don't just 2147 01:42:49,160 --> 01:42:52,760 Speaker 1: say because it's punk here, but it's hard not to 2148 01:42:52,840 --> 01:42:56,240 Speaker 1: be his friend, bro, because you know, you got somebody 2149 01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:59,160 Speaker 1: down with you when you're chilling and we just need 2150 01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:03,000 Speaker 1: to be on the bull of ship. Bro, what's up? 2151 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:13,160 Speaker 1: I wish you're right? You're right. It was crazy that 2152 01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,160 Speaker 1: when I played with him, he was a young rider, 2153 01:43:15,640 --> 01:43:19,160 Speaker 1: so he was wilder and more cautious, you know. Same. 2154 01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:22,040 Speaker 1: You gotta understand, like I think that's for some people, 2155 01:43:22,080 --> 01:43:24,120 Speaker 1: funk up. I understand. I'm trying to make the league. 2156 01:43:24,120 --> 01:43:26,360 Speaker 1: I'm around, You're traveling with all stars in future Hall 2157 01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:29,040 Speaker 1: of Famer, so I can't do all. You can't do this. 2158 01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:31,800 Speaker 1: You don't get away with this. You can come and 2159 01:43:31,920 --> 01:43:34,000 Speaker 1: then to see him grow because the whole time, you know, 2160 01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:36,600 Speaker 1: you just know, Like I don't know if he was 2161 01:43:36,640 --> 01:43:38,439 Speaker 1: gonna coach or something, but I know I know how 2162 01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:39,880 Speaker 1: you'd be working. You know what I'm saying. I just 2163 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,080 Speaker 1: know your mind was raising all the time. And you're right, man, 2164 01:43:42,280 --> 01:43:44,560 Speaker 1: like getting traded with him, letting him see me and 2165 01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,400 Speaker 1: my worst and seeing him and his worst. I remember 2166 01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:51,400 Speaker 1: when he got the tattoo. Believe because and it was 2167 01:43:51,479 --> 01:43:53,320 Speaker 1: because I was on my way. I had to believe 2168 01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:56,320 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So, yeah, man, he's you're You're a 2169 01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,360 Speaker 1: good dude. It's good too. It's good to have people 2170 01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,720 Speaker 1: like that means a lot. Uh toughest matchup KG defensively 2171 01:44:03,120 --> 01:44:07,800 Speaker 1: on me, offensively to stop tim or she if he 2172 01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,240 Speaker 1: was if she was gonna come at you all game, 2173 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:15,880 Speaker 1: she she would take his foot off the gas because 2174 01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:19,519 Speaker 1: it wasn't about scoring him. It really wasn't about scoring 2175 01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,040 Speaker 1: the sheet. It really wasn't. That's so great. He might 2176 01:44:23,080 --> 01:44:25,240 Speaker 1: be the only player I've ever played with it wasn't 2177 01:44:25,240 --> 01:44:29,519 Speaker 1: about It wasn't about scoring. He they're talking about defense, 2178 01:44:29,600 --> 01:44:33,920 Speaker 1: and you know what I mean. But she, yeah, four guys, 2179 01:44:34,479 --> 01:44:37,000 Speaker 1: you gotta pick four guys. You're going to the black Top, 2180 01:44:37,800 --> 01:44:40,200 Speaker 1: not the NBA. You're gonna play on the black top 2181 01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:44,200 Speaker 1: in Detroit bottom bring it with you, be your homeboys. 2182 01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:46,879 Speaker 1: He could be four NBA players. He could be Christie 2183 01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,840 Speaker 1: because I need him. He gonna be the only one 2184 01:44:49,840 --> 01:44:54,120 Speaker 1: to play defense me. I can still lock him up 2185 01:44:55,320 --> 01:45:03,960 Speaker 1: right now, cam Coason, this is all up and smoke. Man, 2186 01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:11,080 Speaker 1: I gotta give us a shout out there as my 2187 01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:16,560 Speaker 1: point guard. Man, y'apom my two guards. I'm gonna go. 2188 01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:20,080 Speaker 1: Let me see yap my two guards only come down. 2189 01:45:20,120 --> 01:45:26,120 Speaker 1: None of these names, but yeah, Omar and Tonio Ragling 2190 01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:31,080 Speaker 1: and Quincy Bones. That's my phone left to the super friends. 2191 01:45:31,160 --> 01:45:34,400 Speaker 1: Maybe you have to go to the park. But man, 2192 01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:36,600 Speaker 1: I mean that was that. That was your guy. But 2193 01:45:36,680 --> 01:45:37,920 Speaker 1: to be able, like I said, to be able to 2194 01:45:38,680 --> 01:45:40,479 Speaker 1: move with this dude, and he was at the level 2195 01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:42,800 Speaker 1: I was just beginning to see everything he went through. 2196 01:45:42,840 --> 01:45:45,519 Speaker 1: But then to see keV too, like his biggest, biggest, 2197 01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:48,040 Speaker 1: biggest fucking supporter. You can ever imagine good bad in 2198 01:45:48,120 --> 01:45:51,120 Speaker 1: between Keva's there. But we had so much fun with 2199 01:45:51,200 --> 01:45:52,720 Speaker 1: him too, Like it was tough and philly, but we 2200 01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,000 Speaker 1: had a lot of fun. It was tough man. We 2201 01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,720 Speaker 1: would play mad Man for this and I had this 2202 01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:03,120 Speaker 1: naked down eight billion yeah, running back and then we 2203 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,160 Speaker 1: started doing physical challenge that like you had to drink 2204 01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:08,680 Speaker 1: a whole bottle of in one drink. Or keV had 2205 01:46:08,720 --> 01:46:10,800 Speaker 1: to run up and down the hallway in our hotel, 2206 01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,920 Speaker 1: in our little building, butt naked with his socks a. 2207 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:19,080 Speaker 1: So this nig is running down suicide. Who feeling that ship? 2208 01:46:19,160 --> 01:46:22,760 Speaker 1: I thought you feel it? Did? I remember? We made 2209 01:46:23,800 --> 01:46:25,800 Speaker 1: we made do drink a bucket of water. You had 2210 01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:27,679 Speaker 1: to go to the hospital. You had drink a bucket 2211 01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,160 Speaker 1: of water. And five They used to be on the 2212 01:46:30,720 --> 01:46:34,639 Speaker 1: challenge like it was no other No, yeah, thank god, 2213 01:46:34,640 --> 01:46:36,519 Speaker 1: there's no And there wasn't really too many cameras around 2214 01:46:36,560 --> 01:46:39,160 Speaker 1: back then because it was some ship. Yeah, uh five 2215 01:46:39,200 --> 01:46:42,320 Speaker 1: dinner guests that are alive. I'm gonna go Cicily Tyson, 2216 01:46:42,479 --> 01:46:44,560 Speaker 1: just because rutually on my mind with the book, we 2217 01:46:44,640 --> 01:46:49,280 Speaker 1: haven't heard her. I'm gonna go, uh wow, I knew you. 2218 01:46:49,560 --> 01:46:51,920 Speaker 1: I knew you was gonna like this question. Yeah, I'm 2219 01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,120 Speaker 1: gonna go like three great grandfathers, like somebody in my family, 2220 01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:58,080 Speaker 1: like we don't you know somebody that went through it 2221 01:46:58,120 --> 01:47:00,439 Speaker 1: all that could tell me, yeah, we're here, like a 2222 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:03,720 Speaker 1: great great great great deep to your dad went through 2223 01:47:03,800 --> 01:47:07,160 Speaker 1: just that that far removed to get a great grandfather? Yeah, 2224 01:47:07,160 --> 01:47:12,479 Speaker 1: what did they go through. Um, yeah, it's hard because 2225 01:47:12,479 --> 01:47:14,200 Speaker 1: you don't want to be too corny. Or two you 2226 01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:20,479 Speaker 1: know those two you bring Bob Molly in nice. We 2227 01:47:20,600 --> 01:47:23,599 Speaker 1: need somebody with music. I'm gonna say those three. I'm 2228 01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:26,880 Speaker 1: gonna go with your boy, Um, Marcus Garvey because I 2229 01:47:27,000 --> 01:47:30,320 Speaker 1: think they erased his history more than anyone else, because 2230 01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:33,479 Speaker 1: we don't even talk about until recently he had the 2231 01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:35,920 Speaker 1: largest parade out of New York. But just think about that. 2232 01:47:36,080 --> 01:47:38,560 Speaker 1: Then the cruise ship is gonna take people back, you know. 2233 01:47:38,720 --> 01:47:40,360 Speaker 1: I mean I would love to talk to him and 2234 01:47:40,400 --> 01:47:44,680 Speaker 1: then uh started his own currency too, Yeah, I mean 2235 01:47:44,800 --> 01:47:48,439 Speaker 1: then then back then uh. And I'm gonna say just 2236 01:47:48,680 --> 01:47:54,200 Speaker 1: christ m nice. Hey, So go on, all right, last 2237 01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:58,160 Speaker 1: question and their answer you have to help us with 2238 01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:01,439 Speaker 1: their answer. Who you want to see on this show? 2239 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:05,040 Speaker 1: On all the Smokes Dope, y'all have Tyson on it? No, 2240 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,400 Speaker 1: we need him, we need it, and we need to 2241 01:48:07,640 --> 01:48:10,280 Speaker 1: go on his show too, because he burned. Let me 2242 01:48:10,360 --> 01:48:13,800 Speaker 1: tell you something heavy heavy, he burns it. He Uh. 2243 01:48:15,360 --> 01:48:17,560 Speaker 1: He want the smartest men I've ever met. You know 2244 01:48:17,600 --> 01:48:20,760 Speaker 1: why I want to talk to him because what I'm 2245 01:48:20,800 --> 01:48:23,120 Speaker 1: similar with him like and I ain't knocking people out here. 2246 01:48:23,160 --> 01:48:24,720 Speaker 1: But I do have nice with mine. But that ain't 2247 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:28,840 Speaker 1: what we're saying is he weighs emotions on his sleep, 2248 01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:30,320 Speaker 1: like you know how I cry all the time, Like 2249 01:48:30,400 --> 01:48:32,400 Speaker 1: he'll do it right. And that's how I am. The 2250 01:48:32,479 --> 01:48:35,760 Speaker 1: ones that don't, just the ones that don't cry, just 2251 01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,920 Speaker 1: don't go places where they cry, Like I can't walk 2252 01:48:37,960 --> 01:48:39,960 Speaker 1: in the Church of our cry. Like it's it's the same. 2253 01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,560 Speaker 1: He's just Yeah, it's a different bravery. Yeah, it's a 2254 01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:44,680 Speaker 1: different And the number one ruled up and fighting. You 2255 01:48:44,800 --> 01:48:47,320 Speaker 1: never fight. You never fight somebody that's crying before the 2256 01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:51,040 Speaker 1: fight start. Yeah, that's that's how McCall knocked out Lenox 2257 01:48:51,080 --> 01:48:53,400 Speaker 1: Lewis or so you know. So. But I want you 2258 01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:56,680 Speaker 1: to have Tyson man because I'm in d C. It's 2259 01:48:56,680 --> 01:49:00,240 Speaker 1: a good story and uh, I'm in d C and 2260 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:02,720 Speaker 1: this it's just it's terrible. It's a whole bunch of 2261 01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:06,880 Speaker 1: stories and stays and paper things going on. This is 2262 01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,479 Speaker 1: Mike Tyson dog on everything I love. I have a 2263 01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,160 Speaker 1: security camera out there and a friend of Oza Doria 2264 01:49:13,439 --> 01:49:15,519 Speaker 1: is bringing Mike to the crib. He's the champ. This 2265 01:49:15,640 --> 01:49:21,560 Speaker 1: this is when he suspended four no no, no, no, no, no, 2266 01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:25,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Ninety seven he's suspended and I'm in d 2267 01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:29,280 Speaker 1: c so in nineties seven, I think, and I'm in 2268 01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:34,000 Speaker 1: the crib and I'm going through it and Tyson knocking 2269 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:37,160 Speaker 1: on my door, ringing the bell. I don't answer. You know, 2270 01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:40,880 Speaker 1: I come out. Twenty minutes later, he knocking on the door. 2271 01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:45,080 Speaker 1: He didn't sit down on the porch. Then he started 2272 01:49:45,080 --> 01:49:46,560 Speaker 1: talking like, I know you in there. I know you 2273 01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,040 Speaker 1: in there. You know what I'm saying. I'm trying to 2274 01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,320 Speaker 1: avoid it. You know what I mean. He's my favorite 2275 01:49:50,360 --> 01:49:51,760 Speaker 1: fighter in the world. But what am I gonna talk 2276 01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:53,320 Speaker 1: to you about right now? You don't even know me 2277 01:49:53,400 --> 01:49:56,680 Speaker 1: that right coming to the basement. Man, I keep a 2278 01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:59,880 Speaker 1: journal and I just wrote down when the smartest man 2279 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,720 Speaker 1: I haven't met, I need this, And it was something like, man, 2280 01:50:03,200 --> 01:50:05,400 Speaker 1: I care about what people saying about you. He's like, 2281 01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:07,800 Speaker 1: I run this hill every day. He's like, the hill 2282 01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:10,160 Speaker 1: will never beat me. In my life. The hill doesn't move, 2283 01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:12,840 Speaker 1: but he can't beat me. You know, the hill don't 2284 01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,720 Speaker 1: even want to attack me. But the hill will never 2285 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:17,160 Speaker 1: beat me. Whatever I put in my mind won't beat me, 2286 01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:19,400 Speaker 1: won't beat me, just like the hill can't beat you 2287 01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,120 Speaker 1: with nothing you do, you ain't gotta go to the hill, 2288 01:50:21,120 --> 01:50:23,320 Speaker 1: but in your mind, if you he'll beat you. And 2289 01:50:23,439 --> 01:50:27,599 Speaker 1: even just talking about man, just forgiving yourself hard work, 2290 01:50:28,080 --> 01:50:30,640 Speaker 1: keeping that grime in you and and understanding that I 2291 01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,280 Speaker 1: couldn't things in different places, but just not letting them 2292 01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:37,400 Speaker 1: overcome each other. And at the end of the day, 2293 01:50:38,360 --> 01:50:39,880 Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, why did you come over here? 2294 01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:41,479 Speaker 1: What is He was like, I just wanted to talk 2295 01:50:41,520 --> 01:50:45,760 Speaker 1: to you brother when he left. Remember, man hunted ground 2296 01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:48,640 Speaker 1: ever since. But I never asked for that, you know 2297 01:50:48,680 --> 01:50:50,680 Speaker 1: what I mean. That's why with us, I know y'all do. 2298 01:50:50,880 --> 01:50:53,120 Speaker 1: That's why though I make sure i'd calling young boy. 2299 01:50:53,320 --> 01:50:54,800 Speaker 1: I don't even want to know what's going on butro 2300 01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,479 Speaker 1: but I know I know something. If they win today, 2301 01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,200 Speaker 1: you are hole, you know what I mean. I knew 2302 01:51:00,200 --> 01:51:02,000 Speaker 1: if you start being better, you a home, you know 2303 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,559 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So so I just like encouraging dudes 2304 01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:07,560 Speaker 1: because I've had people do that to me. Dog, it 2305 01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:09,479 Speaker 1: could be somebody at the gas station, you know what 2306 01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:11,400 Speaker 1: I mean, Like, we love y'all. Keep keep doing what 2307 01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,320 Speaker 1: you're doing, you know what I'm saying. I appreciate that, 2308 01:51:13,479 --> 01:51:16,639 Speaker 1: and I don't pay attention to the but they don't 2309 01:51:16,640 --> 01:51:18,080 Speaker 1: pay attention to the hey, so it's not like I 2310 01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:21,000 Speaker 1: listened to everything. I choose to take in man and 2311 01:51:21,120 --> 01:51:23,559 Speaker 1: him doing that for me at that time it was crazy. 2312 01:51:23,600 --> 01:51:26,040 Speaker 1: And then I went there to visit him when he 2313 01:51:26,120 --> 01:51:28,400 Speaker 1: was in jail for where he went through and all that, 2314 01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:31,080 Speaker 1: and I went so anyway, when I when I look 2315 01:51:31,120 --> 01:51:33,160 Speaker 1: at him and the jewels he dropped, because most people 2316 01:51:33,240 --> 01:51:36,599 Speaker 1: can drop book jewels. When you drop jewels on something 2317 01:51:36,600 --> 01:51:38,960 Speaker 1: in life that's a fact or or just how you're 2318 01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:40,680 Speaker 1: gonna get through it. Those two people I like being 2319 01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:43,080 Speaker 1: around people have been through something that's gonna help my 2320 01:51:43,160 --> 01:51:44,920 Speaker 1: soul out. And he's one of the people. Y'all gotta 2321 01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:47,720 Speaker 1: talk to him and make him standing right there and 2322 01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:49,840 Speaker 1: throw them punches at you like I'm I'm hearing six 2323 01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,120 Speaker 1: intes of punches. He started getting mad. He's like yeah, 2324 01:51:52,120 --> 01:51:54,080 Speaker 1: because you know when the world is gets He's like 2325 01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:56,639 Speaker 1: he's just doing and and I'm right hearing. I'm speaking 2326 01:51:57,400 --> 01:52:00,240 Speaker 1: if he let one slip him, Dad thinking I'm with 2327 01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,160 Speaker 1: the champ right now. You know what I mean? All 2328 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:06,479 Speaker 1: these emotions, y'all, y'alling, y'alling, Mike, you gotta have an 2329 01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:08,680 Speaker 1: audience for that because I'm being in the front row. Now, 2330 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:12,160 Speaker 1: last question, I forgot something, um, he and I have 2331 01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,200 Speaker 1: been advocating for. You were o G. You have a 2332 01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:18,559 Speaker 1: hundred million dollar cannabis fund right now you might speaking 2333 01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:21,519 Speaker 1: on that. Well, first of all, shout out to like 2334 01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:26,160 Speaker 1: uh John Sally, Shout out to Al Harrington, Shout out 2335 01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,080 Speaker 1: to all the brothers just been in this business, you 2336 01:52:29,120 --> 01:52:32,000 Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's not me versus anybody. 2337 01:52:32,200 --> 01:52:38,120 Speaker 1: Everybody shout out to you the Cliff, Yeah yeah, Cliff, 2338 01:52:38,280 --> 01:52:41,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Cliff. That's why he was in shape for 2339 01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:45,840 Speaker 1: so long he was you know. Um, So with this, 2340 01:52:45,960 --> 01:52:48,479 Speaker 1: I have a partner Jason Wild. He has a big 2341 01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:52,800 Speaker 1: imprint in cannabis community. So what really I wanted to 2342 01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,160 Speaker 1: do While I have my own brand is called Players 2343 01:52:55,280 --> 01:52:58,000 Speaker 1: Only and we have all this other great stuff, I 2344 01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,080 Speaker 1: wanted to help other people come into the business this 2345 01:53:00,400 --> 01:53:02,920 Speaker 1: and not just like with the cultivation cultivations costs like 2346 01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,559 Speaker 1: eight millions of you like, it ain't about that. It's 2347 01:53:05,640 --> 01:53:08,200 Speaker 1: about Hunt told a friend of mine day heard the 2348 01:53:08,240 --> 01:53:11,479 Speaker 1: girl should get together and start a bud tending uh 2349 01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:13,920 Speaker 1: service where you go to parties and blood. I don't know, 2350 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,920 Speaker 1: y'all smart enough to figure it out. But let's make 2351 01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,800 Speaker 1: the business plan and this doing. How about other people 2352 01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,200 Speaker 1: that have been in the business so long, delivery bakeryes, Like, realistically, 2353 01:53:22,280 --> 01:53:23,439 Speaker 1: what do you want to do? What are you really 2354 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,000 Speaker 1: to work for? What's your business plan? And we got 2355 01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,280 Speaker 1: you because we can use the infrastructure of all the 2356 01:53:28,360 --> 01:53:30,320 Speaker 1: large companies that we have, because a lot of times 2357 01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,680 Speaker 1: you get cold money like here you go stack, open 2358 01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:34,960 Speaker 1: up a rusturant something, but no one says, no, you 2359 01:53:35,000 --> 01:53:36,960 Speaker 1: need to do this, and just the mistake I ran into. 2360 01:53:37,400 --> 01:53:40,840 Speaker 1: So my thing is not to just create you know, cultivations, 2361 01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:43,920 Speaker 1: but everybody on every single line, to let there be 2362 01:53:43,960 --> 01:53:46,400 Speaker 1: a place for information. Let there be a place too long, 2363 01:53:46,840 --> 01:53:48,439 Speaker 1: Let there be a place to help. I mean, we're 2364 01:53:48,439 --> 01:53:50,560 Speaker 1: gonna do something in sacrament We're gonna do stuff with 2365 01:53:50,920 --> 01:53:52,680 Speaker 1: other things that you're in the community and if you 2366 01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:54,640 Speaker 1: need it, I'm with you anything in the community. And 2367 01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:58,080 Speaker 1: so yeah, we're just trying to I'm just trying to 2368 01:53:58,160 --> 01:54:00,720 Speaker 1: make money and help people. Man. Well, I mean it's dope, 2369 01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:02,080 Speaker 1: and I don't like you said, when you're in it, 2370 01:54:02,200 --> 01:54:03,760 Speaker 1: you don't really know. But the fact that you know 2371 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:07,479 Speaker 1: a former NBA great has a hundred million dollar cannabis 2372 01:54:07,560 --> 01:54:09,479 Speaker 1: fund geared towards people to look like us, to help 2373 01:54:09,560 --> 01:54:12,160 Speaker 1: us get in this space because this space was obviously 2374 01:54:12,200 --> 01:54:14,040 Speaker 1: we were the most affected by it, but we're less 2375 01:54:14,040 --> 01:54:16,680 Speaker 1: than five percent representation in the space. So to have 2376 01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:18,840 Speaker 1: someone like you and like you said, cold money is 2377 01:54:19,400 --> 01:54:22,120 Speaker 1: most of the time wasted money, Like you're allowing infrastructure 2378 01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:25,040 Speaker 1: to where you know, I'm opening my facilities. You know, 2379 01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:27,360 Speaker 1: I'm opening my you know, we're giving you education, We're 2380 01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:29,200 Speaker 1: giving you a lot more than just handing you money, 2381 01:54:29,240 --> 01:54:31,240 Speaker 1: like we really want to see you in and and 2382 01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:34,360 Speaker 1: that's rare. And two people out there, I mean I 2383 01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,000 Speaker 1: called you or you called me the week before. We 2384 01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,280 Speaker 1: were talking and you mentioned something about of fun and 2385 01:54:40,320 --> 01:54:42,720 Speaker 1: I announced, that's why you got to keep people around, 2386 01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:45,480 Speaker 1: just that energy, you know. And we're gonna do a 2387 01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:47,120 Speaker 1: lot of work together. I mean, I want to work 2388 01:54:47,200 --> 01:54:49,919 Speaker 1: with other people, especially people I know that love their community. 2389 01:54:50,240 --> 01:54:52,120 Speaker 1: Else when I go back to Sack with or anybody 2390 01:54:52,200 --> 01:54:54,600 Speaker 1: with you or Texas because you know, one boy, Ray 2391 01:54:54,720 --> 01:54:56,680 Speaker 1: Jackson said you have to burn it down out there 2392 01:54:57,800 --> 01:54:59,760 Speaker 1: when you get it, you know what I mean. So yeah, 2393 01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,920 Speaker 1: and I just, uh, I think now is that we've 2394 01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,760 Speaker 1: made a lot of connections. We've let people see our 2395 01:55:05,800 --> 01:55:08,280 Speaker 1: work ethic and they could trust our work ethic. Like 2396 01:55:08,360 --> 01:55:10,520 Speaker 1: if y'all played in the league and can shoot free 2397 01:55:10,560 --> 01:55:12,480 Speaker 1: throws in front of thousands of people, do this. This 2398 01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:14,480 Speaker 1: ain't gonna be nothing for y'all. Right, you're gonna find 2399 01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,320 Speaker 1: who how to do it and learning right. And I'm 2400 01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,160 Speaker 1: just glad I have business partners that believe in me, 2401 01:55:18,320 --> 01:55:20,120 Speaker 1: because I'm about to do that in real estate. I'm 2402 01:55:20,120 --> 01:55:21,920 Speaker 1: about to do that other things because I just put 2403 01:55:21,960 --> 01:55:24,760 Speaker 1: it like this. I told one of my white partners, 2404 01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:28,840 Speaker 1: this ain't no um giveaway. Don't make it like it's 2405 01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:31,720 Speaker 1: no welfare because people work hard like my father. This 2406 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:36,280 Speaker 1: ain't no fake stat This is unmind ground that y'all 2407 01:55:36,320 --> 01:55:38,440 Speaker 1: don't want to go to. Y're all scared to go 2408 01:55:38,480 --> 01:55:41,000 Speaker 1: to Steven Jackson neighborhood. So this we're digging in the 2409 01:55:41,080 --> 01:55:43,440 Speaker 1: ground there. You're scared to go there, and I'm in 2410 01:55:43,520 --> 01:55:46,080 Speaker 1: them the excavator. We got it. I'm not I'm not 2411 01:55:46,160 --> 01:55:48,080 Speaker 1: afraid of my people, you know what I mean. And 2412 01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:50,200 Speaker 1: that's all it is. We're giving access to those that 2413 01:55:50,280 --> 01:55:52,280 Speaker 1: don't get it. That's all We're not got a nothing. 2414 01:55:52,360 --> 01:55:54,960 Speaker 1: God got them. They got themselves. That are hard workers. 2415 01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,800 Speaker 1: We're just saying, anybody want to come in this way, 2416 01:55:57,880 --> 01:56:00,160 Speaker 1: work hard, you got it, so you know. So I'm 2417 01:56:00,160 --> 01:56:04,040 Speaker 1: glad my partners understand that. Last question cannabis, cannabis and sports, 2418 01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:08,320 Speaker 1: the thoughts on it. It looks like UM hockey was 2419 01:56:08,480 --> 01:56:12,200 Speaker 1: first Major League baseball in the NFL, and the NBA 2420 01:56:12,320 --> 01:56:14,040 Speaker 1: is finally come around. Like I said, we've advocated for 2421 01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:15,880 Speaker 1: a long time. You know, I did a lot of 2422 01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,440 Speaker 1: dodging hoops to be able to do it while we played, 2423 01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,920 Speaker 1: and to find out that there's finally medical research backing 2424 01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,880 Speaker 1: up the reasons why we felt we needed it at 2425 01:56:23,920 --> 01:56:26,640 Speaker 1: that time. What is your thought, you know, being removed 2426 01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:28,760 Speaker 1: from the sport now but kind of finally seen them 2427 01:56:28,800 --> 01:56:30,880 Speaker 1: turn the corner from that aspect. Yeah, so I got 2428 01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,520 Speaker 1: suspended with twelve games or something. I think lost like 2429 01:56:34,800 --> 01:56:37,960 Speaker 1: a million or a couple because, uh after I had 2430 01:56:38,160 --> 01:56:41,840 Speaker 1: micro fracture surgery. No one had ever come back from it, 2431 01:56:42,600 --> 01:56:46,760 Speaker 1: and the doctors and Kylie was like, man, the stomach kurt, 2432 01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:51,800 Speaker 1: you got ulcers, you know, and you know you need 2433 01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:53,400 Speaker 1: to try this oil. You need to do this. So 2434 01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:55,480 Speaker 1: at that time, I did what I did and wrote 2435 01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:57,720 Speaker 1: the league a letter like you know you're not gonna 2436 01:56:57,720 --> 01:56:59,800 Speaker 1: have it. Beat it. I'm just sitting around here because 2437 01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:02,640 Speaker 1: I'm tired and running from man and this is what 2438 01:57:02,760 --> 01:57:04,800 Speaker 1: it is, my leg and so I think that they 2439 01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,720 Speaker 1: got to take I think the world is always laid 2440 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:10,480 Speaker 1: on culture. Sports always laid on culture. Culture has been 2441 01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,040 Speaker 1: ahead of it, you know what I mean. Instead of 2442 01:57:13,120 --> 01:57:16,120 Speaker 1: not looking at it that wow, Matt smoking one after 2443 01:57:16,200 --> 01:57:18,920 Speaker 1: the game? You know. I talked to doctors and they're like, yeah, 2444 01:57:19,000 --> 01:57:24,280 Speaker 1: Matt is providing itself. Sleep management instead of Matt blowing 2445 01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:26,880 Speaker 1: one after the game is okay, that's moved management, you 2446 01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:29,160 Speaker 1: know what I mean. We really are so used to 2447 01:57:29,200 --> 01:57:33,320 Speaker 1: a lifestyle that is not normal that we don't give 2448 01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:37,000 Speaker 1: ourselves the love that we should. Like you think it's 2449 01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,000 Speaker 1: normal to go to get on the plane and to 2450 01:57:39,200 --> 01:57:40,960 Speaker 1: get to the spot of five in the morning, stay 2451 01:57:41,000 --> 01:57:42,880 Speaker 1: open a couple of hours, go to sleep in one hour, 2452 01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,920 Speaker 1: and then go to practice. That's what ain't real, you 2453 01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:46,360 Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so yeah, a lot of it. 2454 01:57:46,960 --> 01:57:49,120 Speaker 1: You can't harm yourself if you don't do things right. 2455 01:57:49,120 --> 01:57:51,120 Speaker 1: But at the same time, it is a true thing 2456 01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:53,640 Speaker 1: of self medication, and this has been around for thousands years, 2457 01:57:54,040 --> 01:57:56,120 Speaker 1: so they have to catch up and they usually will 2458 01:57:56,120 --> 01:57:57,480 Speaker 1: catch up when they figure out how they can't get 2459 01:57:57,520 --> 01:58:01,320 Speaker 1: their money out of it, not the yes, how they 2460 01:58:01,400 --> 01:58:05,040 Speaker 1: contacting and figured out well, man, Chris, We appreciate you man. 2461 01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:06,920 Speaker 1: I've been tracking you down for a long time. We 2462 01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:09,040 Speaker 1: finally got you here. Thank you for your time. Man. 2463 01:58:09,240 --> 01:58:12,160 Speaker 1: That's a wrap special guest Chris, where we appreciate your time. 2464 01:58:12,160 --> 01:58:15,440 Speaker 1: You can catch us on Showtime Basketball, YouTube and I 2465 01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:19,840 Speaker 1: Heart Platform Black Effects see how next week. This is 2466 01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:22,520 Speaker 1: all a Smoke A production of The Black Effect and 2467 01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,040 Speaker 1: Our Heart Radio in partnership with Showtime