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Speaker 1: From the Mercedes Ben's Interview Lounge.

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Speaker 2: Wow sounds impressive, don't it It is? Anyway, we love biographies,

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Speaker 2: We love learning about people their lives. And in the

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Speaker 2: fact that I wrote one, you learn a lot about

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Speaker 2: yourself when you write your own story. I mean you

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Speaker 2: read it in the third person, like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: this guy, he's had to really screwed up life. Oh

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Speaker 2: that's me. Kind of cool. Anyway. Kiki Palmer has been

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Speaker 2: doing the business since she was so young, and now

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Speaker 2: here she is in her thirties, she's still doing it.

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Speaker 2: She wrote her book called Master of Me, and this is,

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Speaker 2: as Gandhi was saying, a very perfect, perfectly timed book,

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Speaker 2: of course, with all the stories coming out, where we

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Speaker 2: learn more about people who grew up in the business

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Speaker 2: and what they're all about. She's putting she's smoking a cigarette.

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Speaker 2: Which what is she doing. She's putting a lipstick.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Nate's doing a lipstick motion with his an.

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Speaker 2: I thought she's out. Kiki's out smoking a cigarette. She'll

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Speaker 2: be here in a moment. I don't know his lipstick done.

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Speaker 2: Kicky Palmer, come on in here, Hey, this is right here.

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Speaker 1: How are you? How are you? Oh? My gosh, she

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Speaker 1: is gorgeous.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: By the way, when you walk past Danielle, she does

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Speaker 2: the sniff tap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you smell good.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of creepy when guests come in and the

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Speaker 2: first thing we talk about is the way they smell.

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Speaker 3: Haha.

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Speaker 1: But also smelling is a good you know smell.

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Speaker 2: Can you keep an eye on Key's microphone level? Make

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Speaker 2: sure you're good. Yes, Hey, welcome to the show. And

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Speaker 2: as you know me, when you put a book out,

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Speaker 2: you gotta get up early in the morning.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, boy, the last couple of days four am,

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Speaker 4: four am, there's.

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Speaker 1: Been no joke.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to our hell, it's no joke. This is why

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Speaker 2: we look like this. So uh gandhi, our co host

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Speaker 2: is in Hey, she's in Columbus, so she's doing the

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Speaker 2: show there. Froggy is in Jacksonville up there. Daniel's here

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Speaker 2: and I'm Elvis, your host. How's your espresso?

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Speaker 1: It's fabulous. I do appreciate this obviously, four am.

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Speaker 2: It's honey, this is needed. Mama needs fuel. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying. What made you? You don't have to,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to. The hair's looking perfect, thank you.

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Speaker 2: Headphones ruined great hair. What made you can decide to

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Speaker 2: do a book? I mean it's a very general easy question,

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Speaker 2: but no, what what's your story?

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Speaker 4: So I did my first book when I was twenty one.

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Speaker 4: I think it was kind of like it's called I

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Speaker 4: Don't Belong to You. Is really about the realization that

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Speaker 4: you you know, starting to understand that I don't really

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Speaker 4: I'm never going to really get life, you know what

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Speaker 4: I mean. I think at eighteen, you're assuming, because everybody's

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Speaker 4: like you're grown, that something's going to click, and it

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Speaker 4: didn't happen. And so I think I was like living

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Speaker 4: with that, and I wrote that first book, you know,

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Speaker 4: and it was about realizing that I don't belong to

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Speaker 4: other people's ideas of me. And so I think this

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Speaker 4: is kind of like an evolution of what those beginning

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Speaker 4: about mastering me, mastering and controlling how I feel about

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Speaker 4: those ever changing waves in my life.

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Speaker 2: Do you ever look back at your first book and go, Wow,

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Speaker 2: that was me then And I'm definitely not there now,

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Speaker 2: I'm not thinking that way and I have yeah since then.

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Speaker 4: I think, yes, especially my ideas around the things that

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Speaker 1: I think that's evolved. My understanding of it has.

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Speaker 4: You know, you have perspective with time is you know

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Speaker 4: you're not going to ever really see things for as

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Speaker 4: they are, I think, until you get away from them.

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Speaker 4: And so when I look at all that's happened in

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Speaker 4: those ten years and how it's informed my experiences, I'm

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Speaker 4: not the same person.

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Speaker 1: I'm much clearer.

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Speaker 2: You know. Well, so what you're thirty one, thirty one

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Speaker 2: years old? Honey, I am thirty. I'm thirty years older

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Speaker 2: than here, and I'm not going to tell you right. Oh,

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Speaker 1: Gosh, come on now, really thirty years old.

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Speaker 2: I'll explain this bad mustache in a second. Thirty one

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Speaker 2: and I'm a sixty one year old. Oh, she doesn't

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This is the journey of life, the things you grow

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Speaker 2: all had all of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I talk about it. So, I mean, I

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Speaker 4: I think there's again, life is going to keep on

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Speaker 4: teaching you more and more and more. Like what I

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Speaker 4: thought it twenty one changed from what I think at

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Speaker 4: thirty one. I'm just going to keep on going forty one,

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Speaker 4: one fifty one, et cetera, et cetera. But I want

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Speaker 4: to remember myself the way that I know me. I

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Speaker 4: think that's also a part of why I started to

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Speaker 4: love writing books like this, is because I get to

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Speaker 4: tell my own story. You know, the subtitle it's Master

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Speaker 4: of Me. But it's the secret to controlling your narrative.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's so important in life because so

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Speaker 4: many people try to tell you who you are.

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Speaker 2: Well, now I have two books on the top of

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Speaker 2: my stack, my mountain of books ki kis of course

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Speaker 2: Master of Me and Share Part one.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, yes, chare part one. Now where's part

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Speaker 1: two at?

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Speaker 2: She hasn't even started it?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, so part one came out yesterday.

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Speaker 2: She almost didn't do two.

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Speaker 1: I love that it's just being known though it's known

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Speaker 1: that it's coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Before, so Gandhi and I were talking, we were all

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Speaker 2: three talking earlier about how the timing of this book.

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Speaker 2: We are in very much assumption that it is perfect

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Speaker 2: for the times with other people who are in the business,

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Speaker 2: Right Gandhi, what were you saying?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 6: Can she hear me without the headphone?

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Speaker 2: Oh well a little bit? Can you hear yep, I agree. Now,

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Speaker 6: What a g the hair is incredible. No, I just

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Speaker 6: I know that so much has been going on, and

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Speaker 6: you've been in Hollywood. Growing up on its own is crazy.

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Speaker 6: Growing up in Hollywood has to be crazier. And now

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Speaker 6: we're getting all of these stories coming out where people

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Speaker 6: are finally stepping forward and saying, hey, here's what I

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Speaker 6: that context, what have you learned?

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Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing I've learned or I realized.

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Speaker 4: And maybe this is just you know, my reframing, but

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Speaker 4: is that we all? I mean, the industry is so sensationalized.

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Speaker 4: Being a child entertainer is so sensationalized. It's a unique experience.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna, you know, doubt that, but I do

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Speaker 4: think a lot of us were parentalized children. I mean,

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Speaker 4: it our own way and handle you know, kind of

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Speaker 4: like lose our innocence to a certain degree. And so

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Speaker 4: a big part of what I talk about in the

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Speaker 4: book when I do share my stories. You know, it's

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Speaker 4: not just to say, hey, this is my life, but

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Speaker 4: it's to show the similarities of what we're all experiencing,

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Speaker 4: trying to make it, you know, losing our innocence, the

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Speaker 4: necessary losses that come with growing up. So even though

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Speaker 4: the themes we all experience in life. You know, you're

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Speaker 4: not going to get your childhood back, and there is

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Speaker 4: no perfect childhood. There's always some stuff that you wish

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Speaker 1: My life ain't like that? You know what nobody is?

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Speaker 1: You know, nobody is.

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Speaker 6: I think that you have been able to figure out

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Speaker 6: and still be a kid. Like do you have advice

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 4: My honest answer would be the innocence will be lost.

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Speaker 4: It will be lost. Innocence is lost in responsibility, and

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Speaker 4: I think it's a necessary loss. I mean think you

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Speaker 4: take on too much, but sometimes that's what life hands you.

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Speaker 4: And so I think I deal more in not feeling

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Speaker 1: But overall, I.

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Speaker 4: Am grateful for the discipline, the responsibilities, the things that

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Speaker 4: I learned having the childhood that I had, you know,

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Speaker 4: whether you are Keetee Palmer, lebron James Kobe Bryant. You know, sports,

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Speaker 2: Okay, are you at the age where you finally can

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Speaker 2: train wreck moments of your life and go, you know what,

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Speaker 2: I didn't like it, but I needed that, yes, you know,

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Speaker 2: And it's hard to do that because you never want

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Speaker 2: to put yourself through that or any other You don't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've had so many situations like that,

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Speaker 4: call it like a situational accelerator, where this situation slowly

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Speaker 4: it's it's situational accelerator. I got this from Society Fast

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Speaker 4: Sensational situational situational accelerator. So it's like, you know, the

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Speaker 4: situation literally accelerates you without it, otherwise you maybe wouldn't have,

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Speaker 4: many moments where I've the situation has accelerated me to

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Speaker 4: seeing things in a different way, having to lean into it.

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Speaker 4: I'm big on leaning and surrendering into it because that's

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Speaker 4: the only way that you get through it. And it's

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Speaker 4: cliche when we say that, but it really is true

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Speaker 4: because I have.

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Speaker 1: To be honest with myself.

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Speaker 4: If I'm not honest with myself in these situations, then

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Speaker 4: there's no way for me to overcome them.

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Speaker 2: Denial is zero enemy.

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Speaker 1: It really is.

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Speaker 2: It really is. I grew up in a house of denial.

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Speaker 2: I mean we we would just all that, all that's

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Speaker 2: You do not grow with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's tough. It's tough, pieces tough.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we beat ourselves up so much as

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Speaker 4: human beings for having emotions, you know, but it's like

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Speaker 4: It's on that immediate gratification of that audience watching you,

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Speaker 6: So you have so many talents, You've done a million things,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would love to do Bad Way again. You know,

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Speaker 5: Why not?

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Speaker 2: That's a move if you're just turning us on. A

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Speaker 2: Master of Me is her new biography. It's Keiki Palmer.

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Speaker 2: Of course I love the cover.

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Speaker 4: I think it was a lot of everything you just said.

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Speaker 4: I think I think that the truth is I've always

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Speaker 4: And so that's that's the next chapter of what I'm

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Speaker 2: Well, in just fifteen minutes, look at all of the

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Speaker 7: Now you're growing up in this business. You know all

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Speaker 4: You know everybody likes something. I want him to find something.

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Speaker 4: And it's there's so much autonomy. I think we get

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Speaker 4: situation like I'm on set sometimes and I'll see an

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Speaker 4: actor going back and forth with director, I'm like, what

441
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Speaker 4: you did this movie for?

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Speaker 1: If you didn't trust the dude, why'd you do the movie?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: And so for me, that's one of the most exciting

445
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Speaker 4: things to do as a collaborator in anything I do,

446
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Speaker 4: is to surrender with my partner and to find that

447
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Speaker 4: thing together, you know, because that's I think that's what

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Speaker 4: it's about we.

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Speaker 2: Only have a few more seconds. Gandhi, head of the question,

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Speaker 2: took the headphones. We go again.

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Speaker 6: I know that you were recently talking about your experience

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Speaker 6: with the mac Gala. Is the mac Gala something you

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Speaker 6: would recommend other people going to or is it something

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Speaker 6: people should avoid.

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Speaker 4: I don't know that people should avoid it, but I

456
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Speaker 4: definitely don't know that it's for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Right, So wait, what was your experience? What did you think?

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Speaker 2: I just felt out of place. I felt uncomfortable. I

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Speaker 2: didn't like what I was wearing. All these people around

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Speaker 2: me were and I was being pushed around. I feel

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Speaker 2: like there's in a hallway.

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Speaker 1: Most people could feel that way. It's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much big of a celebrity or

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Speaker 2: whatever you are, you still get you feel pushed around,

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Speaker 2: and it's a.

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Speaker 7: Carpet like the most exciting thing, and then once you

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Speaker 7: get inside it's not as exciting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that.

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Speaker 4: I mean there's like a performance aspect, So if you like,

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Speaker 4: you know, if you're interested in who's a performer, or

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Speaker 4: if you know people in there, you know you have

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Speaker 4: people that you want to talk to. But ultimately, I

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Speaker 4: think it's like a you know, I realized and without

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Speaker 4: saying like a networking event, but essentially it's a place

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Speaker 4: for you to collaborate with fashion, and you know, as

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Speaker 4: an entertainer, whatever your medium means, it's an opportunity for

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Speaker 4: you to find other people to collaborate and tell stories with.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think that you feel that way going

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Speaker 1: in the first time.

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Speaker 4: It's kind of overwhelming, you don't really you know, fashion

481
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Speaker 4: can feel elitist, so you sometimes are like did I

482
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Speaker 4: wear the right thing? And you're questioning your a vibe

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Speaker 4: and did I get the theme right? But once you've

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Speaker 4: gone back a couple more times, you realize, okay, this

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Speaker 4: is I'm really with a group of storytellers and they're

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Speaker 4: used in fashion to tell their story, and then that

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Speaker 4: becomes a little bit more interesting, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: Like the first couple of times I went with Sergio

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Speaker 4: Hudson and he was the person that really helped me

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Speaker 4: to understand it from that standpoint, you know, And then

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Speaker 4: I you know, went the second the next time with

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Speaker 4: Mark Jacobs and the same thing, and so it can

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Speaker 4: become a really cool thing if you're into it. So

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Speaker 4: if you're not, then it's like, uh, but if you

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Speaker 4: are you know what I mean, then I would say.

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Speaker 5: Go for it.

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Speaker 2: You know who I'm loving. This is a designer who

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Speaker 2: listens to our show, has been listening to our show since. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's amazing. His name is stand by Evan Hirsch. Okay,

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Speaker 2: he's a big he's a big listener her show. He's

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Speaker 2: got a lot of stuff. I mean, I need to

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Speaker 2: see you some and some Evan Hirst.

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Speaker 5: You do you do?

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Speaker 1: I gotta get Evin stun me coing?

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Speaker 2: So don't did you get to did you get the

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Speaker 2: answer to the question? Because we don't want in off,

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Speaker 2: we splintered off.

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Speaker 6: Well, I saw that she said Nicki minad She thought

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Speaker 6: Nicki Minaj was gonna curse her out.

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Speaker 4: So because she doesn't play, okay, I haven't heard something.

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Speaker 4: So I was like, now wait a minute, Nikki and

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Speaker 4: I don't do it to me.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, she was.

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Speaker 4: Actually really really sweet. She's I've always had a really

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Speaker 4: good relationship with her whenever I've seen her. It's not

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Speaker 4: a real relationship, but like she helped me get my

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Speaker 4: pictures for my for my uh you know, my baby

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Speaker 4: photos for David la Chapelle. And then when I seen

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Speaker 4: her at the mc gala. She was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: pull me to the side. I didn't know what she

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Speaker 4: was gonna say, because, like I said, I don't talk

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Speaker 4: to her that much. But she was really encouraging. And

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Speaker 4: it's something that I mentioned in the book that I think,

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Speaker 4: and I'm sure you feel the same way. You know,

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Speaker 4: you got all of us in our industry, you know it,

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Speaker 4: we're normal people and stuff like that, but the job

527
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Speaker 4: sometimes makes our experiences very unique, and even the people

528
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 4: closest to us don't always know how to help us

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Speaker 4: with that. So I felt, really, I really loved the

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Speaker 4: moment of her what she shared with me, which was

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Speaker 4: to make selfish choices even though I feel the weight

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Speaker 4: of people watching me. Wow, it's okay to be selfish

533
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Speaker 4: and make selfish choices even though people are watching me.

534
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Speaker 4: Because your life is your personal life. You're allowed to

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Speaker 4: have it. And I think I am somebody that takes

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Speaker 4: my being a public figure quite seriously. And so at

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Speaker 4: that time when she said that, it was very encouraging

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Speaker 4: to me because it's like, yeah, you know what, every

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Speaker 4: choice I'm making, everything I.

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Speaker 1: Do don't have to be for the world. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: it's if it's just for me.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna apply to people who are not in public,

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Speaker 2: I mean anyone in everyone. No matter what you're doing

544
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Speaker 2: in life, you can make selfish choices. You can, and

545
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Speaker 2: you should because no one will make those selfish choices

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Speaker 2: for you. Hey, so there's someone here wants to meet you.

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Speaker 2: David works in our promo department. He brought you. He

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Speaker 2: brought you flowers. Don't mess up the hair, don't there's

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Speaker 2: hugging going on. He brought you some flowers, so sweet, David.

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Speaker 2: David was so excited you're coming in here today, babe, David,

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Speaker 2: David Ky Palmer, Dre you unice to meet you. I

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Speaker 2: never get nervous, but like for you, I'm taking the

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Speaker 2: flowers are beautiful, David, what what's your question?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 2: I but what what have we learn from Kiki so far? Today? Everything?

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Speaker 3: I think your book got on Amazon yesterday, so it

557
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: was waiting for me when I came home. But your

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Speaker 3: first work, you talked about not being typecasted and you know,

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Speaker 3: trying to not stick to one role. And that's kind

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Speaker 3: of what I've been through in my career, not trying

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Speaker 3: to stick to this one box.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: I was following you forever, and I was telling Diamond

564
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Speaker 3: like I was channel hopping with you. So when you

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Speaker 3: were on Disney would jump in and then Nick with

566
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Speaker 3: True Jackson and my grandma and I saw a Khila

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Speaker 3: and the Bee like I was there. So I'm such

568
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Speaker 3: a big fan and just thank you for the representation

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Speaker 3: of me, like growing up being young, gay, not having

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Speaker 3: anybody to.

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Speaker 2: Look up to.

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Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, well I'm not a girl, but

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Speaker 3: I could definitely watch and learn from you, like just

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Speaker 3: having that representation, having an icon.

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Speaker 1: I thank everything that you just said. It means so

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Speaker 1: much to me.

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Speaker 3: Seriously, just idols and idols that are still here, still working,

578
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Speaker 3: still getting coins.

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Speaker 2: For everyone, for everyone David you meet. There's hundreds of

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Speaker 2: thousands of other David's out there, or Donna's or you

581
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Speaker 2: know or not my pronoun is it? What does it want?

582
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 2: It's on the phone. But anyway, but David David is

583
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Speaker 2: vocalizing what many made people want to say to you.

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Speaker 2: So just he is the chorus of your fans. So

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Speaker 2: just enjoying those flowers.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: And I got to tell you, Akik, it's a pleasure

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Speaker 2: and honor to have you here. The book is called

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Speaker 2: Master of Me. Obviously you've heard many reasons why you

590
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Speaker 2: need to make this thing in New York Times bestseller.

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00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:49,879
Speaker 2: I learned this with my book. If you're just on

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Speaker 2: that New York Times bestseller list for one minute, you've

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Speaker 2: got it because I was for about a minute period.

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Speaker 1: I know that's right. Well, you got to let me

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Speaker 1: rub on.

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Speaker 2: You got David Kekey Popper is just loving me an event.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming in.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's you've got a long day when you're pushing books.

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Speaker 1: You get to my come Gandi. You know y'all got

601
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Speaker 1: to be in a studio. Y'all got to be.

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00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 2: How sad I am right now?

603
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Speaker 1: I'm so sad.

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Speaker 6: Every time we mentioned you, I.

605
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Speaker 1: Was like, I'm so sad that I'm not there today.

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Speaker 2: I know you were definitely definitely here, so you are.

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Speaker 2: It's Kicky Palmer. Everyone. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Thank you guys.

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