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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles based private eye Nils Gervillius stays with us,

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Speaker 2: the author of Skull Diggery and Subrosa, and we're talking

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Speaker 2: about the Epstein case, the client list. It sounded like

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Speaker 2: Attorney General Pam Bondi was referring to the client list

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Speaker 2: on her desk and she was ready to release it.

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Speaker 2: And then she said, well, it wasn't the client list.

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Speaker 2: I was talking about the Epstein file sort of in

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Speaker 2: its totality that I was going to review. Is there

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Speaker 2: a client list and what happened to it?

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Speaker 3: Well, yes, sir, there is a client list.

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Speaker 4: The Wall Street Journal yesterday released a partial of it,

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Speaker 4: not from the official files of the Justice Department. Richard,

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Speaker 4: I can't answer for Attorney General Bondie, but her answer

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Speaker 4: suggests to me that this is a long term counterintelligence

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Speaker 4: operation and she may not know where to go. Maybe

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Speaker 4: one part of it, and the other part maybe that

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Speaker 4: she's lying, and a third part maybe that men like

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Speaker 4: Jim Denney, whom we were discussing he was the head

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Speaker 4: of the FBI Southern District of New York, may have

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Speaker 4: just concealed it or destroyed it on his way out

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Speaker 4: the door. His last instruction to his subordinates at Southern District,

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Speaker 4: New York was to dig in to outlast Bondy and

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Speaker 4: Trump and everything else and try to slow walk every

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Speaker 4: single item of important justice like they did from twenty

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Speaker 4: seventeen to twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: So what about justice for these victims, perhaps a thousand victims,

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Speaker 2: young girls, young women, scarred for life, damaged beyond. I

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Speaker 2: can't imagine what they went through where I mean, So

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Speaker 2: we're supposed to forget about them because this was some

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Speaker 2: sort of useful intelligence asset, This honey trapped scheme was

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Speaker 2: netting valuable intelligence information. Perhaps again, what about justice for

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Speaker 2: the young girls?

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Speaker 4: Well again, Richard, when did intelligence agencies hours are theirs?

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Speaker 4: Ever take these considerations into account? How about when the

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Speaker 4: CIA told us that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass

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Speaker 4: destruction and we lost tens of thousands of people American.

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Speaker 3: Allies, and then how many.

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Speaker 4: Hundred thousand Iraqis were killed in that to satisfy what?

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Speaker 4: I don't think the CIA was being honest with us,

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Speaker 4: honest with President Bush. I think President Bush was utterly hypnotized.

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Speaker 4: Maybe Vice President Cheney had a better idea of what

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Speaker 4: was actually going on, which may be why so many

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Speaker 4: people think that he's a war criminal.

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Speaker 2: So if the client list is destroyed, why not just

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Speaker 2: interview the victims and find out, you know who the

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Speaker 2: Johns were.

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Speaker 3: Well exactly.

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Speaker 4: And if this were my case to conduct, and I

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Speaker 4: had power of subpoena and search warrant, and I could

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Speaker 4: impanel a grand jury, let's say a federal grand jury,

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Speaker 4: I'd do it in Florida, where the case originated, where

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Speaker 4: Epstein was a resident.

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Speaker 3: I would not do it in DC. You saw what occurred.

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Speaker 4: When they brought limited charges against Justice Department people associated

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Speaker 4: with Crossfire Hurricane, and nothing arose of it because everybody

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Speaker 4: in DC.

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Speaker 3: Works for the monster.

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Speaker 4: And speaking of Crossfire Hurricane, that's a great example. John

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Speaker 4: Durham was charged with conducting a thorough investigation of what

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Speaker 4: led to Crossfire Hurricane as a special counsel. A couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks ago, it was disclosed that ninety percent of

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Speaker 4: the material related to Crossfire Hurricane was concealed from him

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Speaker 4: in his investigation by the Justice Department and FBI under

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Speaker 4: the rubric again of counterintelligence operations.

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Speaker 2: So how do the intelligent intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

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Speaker 2: How do they manage to manipulate information in cases involving

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Speaker 2: I don't know elites. Let's say, how do they do it?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 4: They present something for people to chew on while diverting

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Speaker 4: their interest to something else. Look at what we did

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Speaker 4: in Libya with Susan Rice and Ben Rhodes and those

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Speaker 4: people running that job for Bho, where suddenly we need

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Speaker 4: to bomb the hell out of Libya and take Momar

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Speaker 4: Kadafi out of office. And Bho had ran and distinguished

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Speaker 4: himself from Hillary Clinton in two thousand and eight by

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Speaker 4: assuring everybody that he would never have gone to war

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Speaker 3: It doesn't pass the smell test.

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Speaker 4: So they give you something to focus your attention on

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Speaker 4: while they do something behind your back. How about Haiti

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Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety four, What was our interest in Haiti?

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Speaker 3: Why did we invade Haiti?

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Speaker 4: We installed some silly priest on the throne of Haiti

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Speaker 4: and sent billions of dollars of aid American trips to Haiti.

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Speaker 4: And this man was a friend of Jesse Jackson. My

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Speaker 4: question is, did Reverend Jackson get a kickback from heirs

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Speaker 4: to eat. Did Jackson get some of that aid money?

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Speaker 4: I'm just wondering, why did we invade Haiti? What was

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Speaker 4: the justification for that? How about bombing the hell out

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Speaker 4: of Belgrade, Serbia to the benefit of the Kosovars allegedly,

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Speaker 4: how did that benefit American national security? What was the

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Speaker 4: real object of that? There are some who have argued

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Speaker 4: that that was the origin of Russian hostility post Cold

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Speaker 4: War to our security agenda because they've always considered the

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Speaker 4: Serbs their little They went to war in nineteen fourteen

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Speaker 4: to protect Serbian interests.

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Speaker 2: So these things are distractions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were tasked, go ahead, And I'm sorry, So.

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Speaker 2: I was just going to getting back to probing Epstein's

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Speaker 2: network today because they're saying, basically, this is case closed.

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Speaker 2: But I'm wondering, you know, is it doesn't have to be.

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Speaker 2: What if you were again independently probing this, what key

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Speaker 2: angles or leads would you pursue beyond the official narrative.

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Speaker 4: I would be pulling in every special agent, every jailer,

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Speaker 4: every US attorney who worked the case, and I would

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Speaker 4: be making them testify under oath as to what they saw,

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Speaker 4: what they heard I would fully depose every victim and

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Speaker 4: find out who brought them there, who they saw, what

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Speaker 4: condition they were in, what they were or promised, what

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Speaker 4: was communicated to them afterward. I don't think we have

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Speaker 4: a good honest picture of what really occurred with Epstein.

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Speaker 4: And I'm going to give you one more thing here

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Speaker 4: about this, Richard. I think the Epstein operation, the Jelen

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Speaker 4: Maxwell Jeffrey Epstein honeytrap, may still be yielding intelligence results

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Speaker 4: for MI six or the DGSSE, which is the French

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Speaker 4: equivalent of the CIA. I don't know which intelligence agency

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Speaker 4: is involved, or if it even was an intelligence operation,

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Speaker 4: but Richard, it sure looks like one. If this isn't

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Speaker 4: an intelligence operation that turned into a pile of garbage

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Speaker 4: for them, a risk for them, I don't know what

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Speaker 4: to say.

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Speaker 3: It's so remarkable.

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Speaker 4: The other the part that would cause me to believe

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Speaker 4: that they may have rolled it up point is Prince

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Speaker 4: Andrew blundering into the whole thing. That would make it

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Speaker 4: untenable if it was generally known that Prince Andrew got

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Speaker 4: involved or went over there looking for female companionship, as

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Speaker 4: was alleged by MS Gifre. I believe that Eventually we

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Speaker 4: will learn far more about this, but for the time being,

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Speaker 4: we can't trust our own security organs and intelligence organs.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that people at the top can trust

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Speaker 4: all of their subordinates.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible they can't release the client list because

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Speaker 2: it's it would be just too shocking that there are

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Speaker 2: so many people implicated in this that from both parties sitting,

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Speaker 2: you know, legislators, judges, donors on both sides of the aisle,

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Speaker 2: that he could, I don't know cause a civil war.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that it would cause a civil war, Richard.

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Speaker 4: I think we've been in a civil war since two thousand,

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Speaker 4: a slow burn, low intensity conflict, civil war in the

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Speaker 4: West that just got heated up with.

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Speaker 3: A nine to eleven attack.

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Speaker 4: And we've got people being assassinated in this country, healthcare executives,

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Speaker 4: people making attempts on presidential candidates. I had a conversation

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Speaker 4: at a charity event at a posh private club in

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Speaker 4: downtown Los Angeles a couple of months ago with a

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Speaker 4: recognizable Democrat political candidate who intimated to me at dinner

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Speaker 4: that he was terrified of being assassinated by Antifa. He's

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Speaker 4: a Democrat candidate I'm not going to identify him or

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Speaker 4: the office that that he might seek, but if if

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Speaker 4: I told you the name, you'd know exactly who I'm

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Speaker 4: whom I'm speaking of.

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Speaker 2: All Right, So do you think we'll ever get to

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Speaker 2: the to the truth eventually? I mean, is it possible

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Speaker 2: to impanel? I don't know, a citizen's what do they

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Speaker 2: call that a grand jury? A citizen's grand jury? Or

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Speaker 2: I mean, is this the end of it? Just because

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Speaker 2: the DJ says case closed.

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Speaker 4: I'm I believe that Pam Bondy or if she winds

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Speaker 4: up getting replaced, We'll absolutely have to do that, and

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Speaker 4: not in DC or New York. It will have to

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Speaker 4: take place in the state where you have a reliable

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Speaker 4: jury pool. That's why I'd say Florida, because that was

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein's hometown, that that was where the original case

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Speaker 4: was brought against him, and there's a great jurisdictional law

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Speaker 4: you meant for doing it in Florida. I wouldn't trust

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Speaker 4: a DC jury any farther than I could throw the

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Speaker 4: lot of them in the bus.

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Speaker 2: In the meantime, it looks like FBI Director Cash Battel

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Speaker 2: and Deputy Director Dan Bongino are just absolutely furious. There's

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Speaker 2: some suggestion that one or both of them may resign.

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Speaker 2: Where do you think this is all going? I mean,

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Speaker 2: could this destroy the tear of the Trump administration apart?

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Speaker 4: Well, Richard, I think that that Donald Trump is ultimately

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Speaker 4: a bit like Bonaparte in the good way. You know

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Speaker 4: that Smoi Donald Trump has been counted out one hundred

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Speaker 4: times over the last forty years, and they always comes back.

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Speaker 4: But if these things are true about deputy director Bongino,

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Speaker 4: Director Patel, it's a real problem. And you know that

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Speaker 4: the traditional media would love to sew seeds of discord.

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Speaker 4: You haven't heard anything out of the mouth of Patel

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Speaker 4: or Bongina.

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 4: The White House issued a statement about how it's a

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Speaker 4: cohesive team and everybody's working together and unlessen until President

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Speaker 4: Trump says something, because remember when he had problems with

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Speaker 4: Jeff Sessions, he immediately called for sessions resignation. If Trump

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Speaker 4: thought there was a problem, I don't think he'd hesitate

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Speaker 4: to call for Bondy to resign.

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