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Catch 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Just Live weekdays at noon Eastern on Appo, car Play, 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 2: and then Roud Otto with the Bloomberg Business app. Listen 5 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: on demand wherever you get your podcasts, or watch us 6 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 2: live on YouTube. 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 3: The news flow has been incessant is we await a 8 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 3: vice presidential selection from Donald Trump and continue to assess 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 3: the aftermath of the attempted assassination of the former president 10 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 3: over At the weekend, we also got more news in 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 3: legal land news that maybe favors Donald Trump as well 12 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 3: as the document's case in Florida, Judge Aileen Cannon presiding 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: over it has now been thrown out by that judge 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: on the grounds that the appointment of Jack Smith, the 15 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 3: special counsel who brought the case, was appointed unconstitutionally. So 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: let's go now to Bloomberg Sarah Ford and who leads 17 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: our legal coverage out of Washington. Sarah, how unexpected was this? 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: Snowing that, yes, Elin Cannon had been criticized for slow 19 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: walking this case. We knew it probably wasn't going to 20 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 3: go to trial before the election, but to throw it 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,400 Speaker 3: out entirely was this expected. 22 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: Well, she had been briefing on this topic, she had 23 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:19,319 Speaker 1: held hearings, and then she got a fundamental support from 24 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: the opinion just two weeks ago in the Supreme Court 25 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: decision on Immunity, where Justice Clarence Thomas specifically raised this 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 1: question of the constitutionality of the Special Council, and her 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: opinion cites his opinion, So that is kind of the 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: connection here. The ruling today did come as quite a surprise. 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 4: However, Sarah, it's Joe. It's great to have you with 30 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 4: us here as we join you from Milwaukee today. Let's 31 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 4: get to the chase. Then, now that we've had this 32 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 4: happen today, there will be no other trials for Donald 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 4: Trump after New York. 34 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: Right, we are not seeing any trials on the horizon, 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: and at least not before November. This ruling does also 36 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: raise a question for the January sixth case and whether 37 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: that will become an issue in that case. But first 38 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: more likely this whole question of the constitutionality of the 39 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: Special Council is likely to head back to the Supreme Court, 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: where at this point only Justice Clarence Thomas has raised 41 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,679 Speaker 1: this issue. But certainly there are other conservatives on the Court, 42 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: whom may well agree with him. 43 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 3: Well, and it's important Sarah to consider here. And we 44 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 3: were discussing this with a member of the House Judiciary Committee, 45 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 3: Congressman Victorious Parts earlier on the program. The suggestion that 46 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 3: a special council's appointment may have not been in keeping 47 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:45,519 Speaker 3: with the constitutional duties of Congress to have some kind 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,840 Speaker 3: of role. Would that then throw into question, say, the 49 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: special council that brought the case against the president, current 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 3: president's son, Hunter Biden, David Weiss, Would it call into 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 3: question special counsel her, who was investigating Biden's own handling 52 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 3: of classified documents. Just how far this extent. 53 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: So we're taking a look at all the other challenges 54 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 1: to special counsels and the and the famous. You know, 55 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: special councils have been used throughout American history to to 56 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: review some of our most controversial situations. But in the 57 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: case of David Weiss, the Hunter Biden special counsel, he 58 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: was actually a US attorney who had been approved and 59 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: confirmed by the Senate. So under her her reasoning, you know, 60 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: he would be okay to continue his work. Her point 61 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: was that Jack Smith was a private citizen. There's no, 62 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, basis for a private citizen to be kind 63 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: of uh lobbed into a prosecutorial rule role unless Congress 64 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: has explicitly either confirmed that person or passes a law 65 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: saying that this is an acceptable role for a private citizen. 66 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 4: M hm. So, Sarah, what's the next important stop on 67 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 4: the road here in Donald Trump's legal journey? Is it 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 4: sentencing in New York in September? 69 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Well, first of all, we are expecting Jack Smith to 70 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: appeal this particular ruling, so there will very likely be 71 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: more action in the Florida classified documents case. And I 72 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: think there's a question over whether they are going to 73 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: try to get Cannon removed from the case and start over. So, 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: of course all that would take a lot of time. 75 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: The next step in the hush money case in New 76 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: York is for the District Attorney Bragg to respond to 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: the immunity question there. We are expecting Judge Mishaan to 78 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: hold hearings on that, So it's likely the sentence and 79 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: could even be postponed longer. 80 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 4: With US Live from Washington, Sarah, thank you Bloomberg. Sarah 81 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 4: Forden here on balance of power. As we turn our 82 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 4: attention back to the Republican National Convention here in Milwaukee. 83 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 4: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines with the column before 84 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: the Convention. Joining us now Ashley Davis, former Homeland Security 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 4: official and former White House official in the Bush forty 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 4: three administration. Ashally, it's great to see you in Milwaukee. 87 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: Thank you for joining us here at the table and 88 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: for you're very busy throughout this week. We remind our 89 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 4: viewers and listeners that you were the second person in 90 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 4: the door at the brand new Department of Homeland Security. 91 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 4: Of course, in the wake of nine to eleven, which 92 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 4: was a game changer for security. What happened on Saturday, 93 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: the attempted assassination of Donald Trump, will be a game changer. 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 5: Again, I think so. 95 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 6: I mean, actually, just so I don't insult any of 96 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 6: my former colleagues, I was actually employee number one at 97 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 6: the White House Office of Homeland Security after nine to eleven. 98 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 6: Most forget that the department wasn't created until two thousand 99 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 6: and three, which is very important these days because when 100 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 6: the department was created is when they put in place 101 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 6: the national Special Security Events, which is what the convention is. 102 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 6: Both conventions are right now, so there's seventy five million 103 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 6: dollars that have been given both the Republican Convention and 104 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 6: the Democrat Convent, and for the Secret Service to take 105 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 6: the lead with other agency security agencies to make sure 106 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 6: that this facility, as well as Chicago, will be the 107 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 6: very safe. I think the problem right now is the 108 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 6: fact that do we have any confidence in the Secret Service, 109 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 6: And so I think that would that's my question, but 110 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 6: I will think you. 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: Have to ask that openly. 112 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 2: Is terrifying. 113 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, what happened Saturday. 114 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 6: First of all, it's where I grew up, so I 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 6: know the area very very well. The fact that there's 116 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 6: very limited and I'm sure you've heard this many times 117 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 6: and so there's your viewers, there's very limited buildings there. 118 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 6: So the fact that there was, you know, a football 119 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 6: field and a half that this person is really what 120 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 6: it is away from the President. And this morning I 121 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 6: saw that the Secret Service is still blaming local law enforcement, 122 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 6: which to me, one we have to remember the Secret 123 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 6: Service or the people that actually put the perimeter in place. 124 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 6: And two they cannot say that this is the local 125 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 6: law enforcement's fault. It is a major security of breach 126 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 6: that stops at the top of the Secret Service. 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 3: Well, it also raises the question as to when that 128 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 3: breach should have potentially been intercepted, if it really was 129 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 3: physically at the location, that that individual shouldn't have been 130 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 3: able to access the roof with a semi automatic rifle, 131 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: or is it a failure in intelligence gathering before that 132 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 3: the idea that there could have been this threat out 133 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: there against Donald Trump that wasn't accurately assessed. I guess 134 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 3: just where in the process is the flaw. 135 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 6: I think it's actually I think that planning number one, 136 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 6: that there wasn't someone on that building when it was 137 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 6: that close there should be and usually, just in my 138 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 6: former life doing so many events with presidential events, you 139 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 6: have people in all those buildings. So the fact that 140 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 6: someone was not on that building and then took time 141 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 6: to climb up the building, I think that it started 142 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 6: beforehand and planning and not having someone there to answer 143 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 6: your question, But I also think the fact that they 144 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 6: left that amount of time to have during the actual 145 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 6: event is where it really broke down. But I think 146 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 6: it's a long process. And going back to your other 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 6: question about the intelligence before the event, there is so 148 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 6: much intelligence happening always, but especially now in this devisive 149 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 6: world that we live in, that there are so many 150 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 6: threats against both of these candidates. 151 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 5: That are just sort through exactly. 152 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 6: But still, that's why you put these people on top 153 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 6: of these buildings so it wouldn't happen. 154 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 5: And the other thing that. 155 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 6: Was just crazy to me and a bunch of former 156 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 6: Secret Service people were saying it today as well, is 157 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,800 Speaker 6: the fact that they let him. It's an iconic photo 158 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 6: what happened of him standing up, and that's amazing, But 159 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 6: there could have been three shooters, even though the one 160 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 6: was dead. 161 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 4: At that point in itself. Was a failure. 162 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 5: Absolutely. 163 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 6: I mean, I think this is going to be the 164 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 6: I can't imagine what's going to happen with the investigative 165 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 6: people at the Department of Homeland Security Inspector General will 166 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 6: do a report on this and see what happened. 167 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 5: I mean, it's a major failure. 168 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 4: Is it time to rethink this entire apparatus? Kayley mentions 169 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 4: we spent time with Congresswomen's Sports earlier and I asked 170 00:09:10,000 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 4: her if it's time to renew this debate over whether 171 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 4: members of Congress should have security details. I don't know 172 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 4: if that would be part of the Secret Service or 173 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 4: part of the Capitol Police. I know it would come 174 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 4: at extreme cost, but to your point, the threats continue to. 175 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 6: Increase absolutely, and if you talk to any members of Congress, 176 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 6: they're really nervous right now. 177 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 4: We have a we'red to do that or can we 178 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: afford not to do that? 179 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 6: Look what we spend money on, So I would think 180 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 6: that we definitely can afford if it's a priority. I 181 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 6: don't think that you would probably do secret service. I mean, 182 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,599 Speaker 6: obviously there's Capital Police that do the Speaker of the 183 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 6: House and majority minority leader in the Senate, so I 184 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 6: think you would. There's still different levels of security with 185 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 6: the Secretary of State is actually security through the Secretary 186 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 6: of State. The Treasury Secretary is through that. It's not 187 00:09:56,200 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 6: all secret service, So you may be able to do 188 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 6: different security. I mean, if I was a member of 189 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 6: Congress right now with a high enough profile, I would 190 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 6: be outsourcing my own security through my campaign money. 191 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 3: Well, think of Senator Mitt Romney who has had to 192 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: fund his own security for him and his family. This 193 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 3: is a very real thing. So as we consider the 194 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 3: security of ourselves right now, as we are in Milwaukee 195 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 3: for the Republican Convention, we all have had to contend 196 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 3: with I'm sure at this point the perimeter and maybe 197 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 3: have had some items confiscated in the case of my 198 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,320 Speaker 3: aluminum water bottle, even though it was empty. So for 199 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: anyone who's entering the perimeter here in Milwaukee, don't bring 200 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 3: your water bottles. But the point is we're here for 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 3: the Republican Convention, which in many ways is likely to 202 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 3: change in tone this week as a result of what happened. 203 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: But there are some things that still need to happen, 204 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 3: including the selection of the vice president. We're expecting it's 205 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 3: going to come at some point today. Donald Trump has 206 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 3: said as much, how did the events of the last 207 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 3: forty eight hours change you're thinking about who it's likely 208 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: to be. 209 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 6: With his tone of unity and obviously President Biden's as well, 210 00:10:55,000 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 6: but the president former President Trump's unity message. I would 211 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 6: think that if Senator Vance was going to be the 212 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 6: nominee that you may rethink that because of he's kind 213 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 6: of a flamethrower in regards to some of the things 214 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 6: he said, especially after what he said on Saturday. From 215 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 6: what we all understand, we're going to hear this afternoon, 216 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 6: late afternoon about the vice presidential candidate. I personally think 217 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:28,079 Speaker 6: if you have someone like Governor Burgham or Governor Younkin 218 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:31,760 Speaker 6: from West or West Virginia, Virginia. 219 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 5: That they are probably. 220 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 6: Someone that are more middle of the road in regards 221 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 6: to how they talk about different things and would be 222 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 6: a safer bet in my opinion. 223 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 5: And I really don't think that he did. 224 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 6: Know who it was going to be until recently, and 225 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 6: I definitely think that this would change his. 226 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 4: Perception Reuters. I think that Marco Rubio has been informed 227 00:11:56,040 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 4: that he is not going to be Donald Trump's vice president, 228 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 4: and so now we're going to go through this process 229 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 4: of elimination all day. It would be classic Trump for 230 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: this to be no one from the short list, totally 231 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 4: right that he had us off the set the whole. 232 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 6: Time, which is why there is a kind of a 233 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 6: swelling of information about Governor Junkin. And then you still 234 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 6: have people that are thinking, well, was it going to 235 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 6: be Niki? And I do think that there is a possibly. 236 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 4: Relot it for them body Nikki Haley, would you say, 237 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,240 Speaker 4: are you allowing for that? 238 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 5: I would love it to be Nikki, as you know. 239 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm also a huge Dug Burghum fan, So 240 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 6: but I do agree with you. I mean, this is 241 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 6: kind of his thing to make it nobody that he's 242 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 6: talking about. But that's interesting about Rubyo. A lot of 243 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 6: people were hoping that as well. 244 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 3: But it doesn't have to move now, Well, that was 245 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: the question. They're both Florida men, So how do you 246 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 3: get around that? Marko Ruby may have had to change 247 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 3: his residency to another state. Again, this is just Reuter's 248 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: reporting it. Bloomberg has not independently confirmed it, but it 249 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 3: does feel kind of, if not the Apprentice, like the 250 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 3: weakest link, like just a one by. 251 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,359 Speaker 5: One elimination exactly. 252 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 6: The other thing that's interesting is there was a huge 253 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 6: Twitter blow up today that JD Vance left his house 254 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,719 Speaker 6: in a motor k but it's been confirmed that that 255 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 6: was secret that was not secret service, but VP motorcade 256 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 6: that was from the governor of Ohio gave Jdvan some protection, 257 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 6: which you probably need. 258 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,200 Speaker 4: So so what are your broader thoughts then? As we 259 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 4: get into day one here the change in tone that 260 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 4: we've already talked about Donald Trump rewriting the speech, is 261 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 4: this going to feel or look different tonight than you expected? 262 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 5: Absolutely? 263 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 6: I mean, even him going back to reaching out to 264 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 6: Nikki yesterday or on Saturday Sunday yesterday, I guess, and 265 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 6: asking her to speak. I do think that there is 266 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 6: a unity conversation. If you did see they did camp 267 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 6: there was going to be a floor fight, so to 268 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 6: speak about the abortion issue and the platform that how 269 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,559 Speaker 6: they changed the platform to say that they're going to 270 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 6: let this up to the States, which obviously angered a 271 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 6: lot of pro life people that they did cancel that 272 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 6: floor fight. I do think that there's a lot of 273 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 6: things that will not be happening in regards to kind 274 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 6: of the contentious issues. 275 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 5: His tone. 276 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 6: Also, the campaign has been calling the speakers. Tim Scott 277 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 6: speaking this evening I just heard, so he's probably not 278 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 6: the VP candidate, I would think, but that they've asked 279 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 6: all the speakers to not be talking about Saturday. 280 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 5: In regards to. 281 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 4: That last hire, yeah, we'll leave that, I guess to 282 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: the former president on. 283 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 5: Thursday exactly so. 284 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 6: And I think someone said it really well today, when 285 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 6: you were this close, like literally from dying and getting 286 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 6: hit with a bullet, maybe maybe it's really has changed. 287 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 3: A reminder of everyone's mortality. Ashley Davis, former Homeland Security official, 288 00:14:57,600 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 3: you're listening. 289 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: To the Bloomberg Balance of Power kens just Live weekdays 290 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 2: at noon Eastern on Applecarplay and then Rodoo with the 291 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 2: Bloomberg Business Ad. You can also listen live on Amazon 292 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 2: Alexa from our flagship New York station, Just Say Alexa 293 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 294 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 4: On a special edition of Balance of Power. Life from Milwaukee. 295 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines as we keep our 296 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: eyes on Fiveser Forum, where Day one of the RNC 297 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: is happening just a couple of blocks from where we're 298 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: sitting here at Bloomberg TV and Radio in the field, 299 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 4: and we assemble our political panel at this important moment. 300 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 4: Rick Davis is with us right now, Stone Court Capital 301 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 4: Partner alongside Geenie Shanzano, political science professor at Ionia University 302 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 4: and senior Democracy Fellow at the Center for the Study 303 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 4: of the Presidency and Congress. It's great to have both 304 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 4: of you with us here. We're waiting on an announcement 305 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 4: for a running mate. The clock is ticking here, Rick, 306 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 4: what's happening behind closed doors right now? Because obviously Donald 307 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: Trump knows who this is. What is the campaign doing 308 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: to prepare this unveiling right now? 309 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 7: Part of what's happening is that the would be vice 310 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 7: president is meeting his team. There's a whole staff that's 311 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 7: been built to take him or her from this venue 312 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 7: onto a next three months of campaigning, and so it's 313 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 7: not without its resources and whatnot. And then and then 314 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 7: there's this last minute going through the speeches and making 315 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 7: sure they're fine tuned. They're going to be spending a 316 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 7: little bit of time when the delegates aren't in the 317 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 7: hall to go and do their walkthroughs to see the 318 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,080 Speaker 7: stage for the first time. It's probably one of the 319 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 7: things Donald Trump will do today, maybe right now. And 320 00:16:41,080 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 7: so there's like administrative things, but by and large, there 321 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 7: isn't much politics being done other than you know, the speeches. 322 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 7: But they're also designing these moments. Right. The thing you 323 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 7: remember from the conventions one or two emotional moments, you know, 324 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 7: when the president walks in and sees the out for 325 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 7: the first time, or the president of first lady, or 326 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 7: you know, the candidate and his spouse, you know, have 327 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 7: some kind of gesture or something that's said at the stage. 328 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 7: So that's what the organizers of this convention and trying 329 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 7: to do is figure out what's our moment going to 330 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 7: be tonight, and of course if Donald Trump shows up, 331 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 7: that's already made moment. 332 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, and it does seem that the integrity of 333 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 3: the moment with which we all find out who the 334 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,160 Speaker 3: vice presidential pick actually is to this point has been preserved. 335 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 3: It hasn't leaked out. 336 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 5: We're all still. 337 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: Laying in wait. And Rick, earlier in the program, you 338 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 3: were bringing up the idea that it could be someone 339 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: like Virginia Governor Glenn Yunkin, even though we don't understand 340 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: him to be on the shortlist at this time. We're 341 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,160 Speaker 3: looking at instead burgham Rubio, jd Vance And I wonder 342 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 3: about the state of Virginia, Genie is we just got 343 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 3: new New York Times Siena polling today looks just at 344 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: two states Pennsylvania, Biden's home state and where the shooting 345 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 3: happened this weekend, and Virginia. And we should advise our 346 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 3: listeners and viewers this poll did happen prior to the shooting, 347 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,439 Speaker 3: so we have to have that caveat in there. But 348 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: it shows Trump leading in pencil and in Virginia Biden 349 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 3: is only ahead by three points forty eight to forty five, within. 350 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 5: The margin of error. 351 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: So would someone like Glenn Youngkin be a smart pick 352 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 3: for Trump. Could he actually turned Virginia red again? 353 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 8: He could? 354 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 9: I mean, it is fascinating. I was just looking at 355 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 9: this poll. I mean the idea that Joe Biden is 356 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 9: losing at this point. According to this poll, we have 357 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 9: to say Pennsylvania, his home state, and then next door 358 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 9: nearby Virginia, which Democrats. Of course, it is really I 359 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 9: think for in my mind, a must win for Democrats. 360 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 9: So should that go red, that is a huge problem 361 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 9: for the Democrats. And so that does make Glenn Youngkin 362 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 9: an attractive, you know, appealing vice presidential candidate. I'm also 363 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 9: curious does the shooting over the weekend change Donald Trump's mind? 364 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 9: I mean, all things being equal, if that had never happened, 365 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 9: perhaps he had made his choice and stuck with it. 366 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 9: But do you move away from somebody like jd Vance 367 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 9: with a much tougher rhetoric to somebody like a Glen 368 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 9: Youngkin or a dougam who have this sort of less 369 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 9: rhetorical strong statements that they've made that may be off 370 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 9: putting to moderates. I also note that they have now 371 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,040 Speaker 9: added Nikki Hayley to the lineup to speak this week, 372 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 9: not that she's in the running to be VP as 373 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 9: far as we know, but that's another interesting turn. So 374 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 9: he does keep us waiting and watching and wondering. And 375 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 9: I think when he gets in there, whether it's tonight 376 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 9: or later this week, it is going to be one 377 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 9: of those moments that Rick was just talking about that 378 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 9: we all remember, especially given the fact the entire nation 379 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 9: is rooting for him healthwise, considering what he has just survived. 380 00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 4: Donald Trump did an interview with the Washington Examiner in 381 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 4: which he said he rewrote his speech. It was going 382 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 4: to be a humdinger, he said, Rick, honestly, it's going 383 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 4: to be a whole different speech. 384 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 2: Now. 385 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 4: It's a chance to bring the country together. I was 386 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 4: given that chance. I don't know if you believe the 387 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,200 Speaker 4: words you're hearing, but he has a moment, a delicate 388 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 4: opportunity here to seize on. How different do you think 389 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 4: that speech will be then it might have been on Friday? 390 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 7: Well, I'm suspecting it's probably substantially different. I think you 391 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 7: can't imagine what impact just escaping death has on Donald 392 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 7: Trump or on anybody else. You can try to put 393 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 7: yourself in that mind frame, but certainly the organizers of 394 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 7: the campaign, the managers and the speech writers and the 395 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 7: folks who are charged with getting the most bump out 396 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 7: of this convention as they can. They haven't missed that point. 397 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:31,640 Speaker 7: And the last thing they want is a divisive political 398 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 7: speech where Donald Trump goes up to the podium and 399 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 7: eviscerates Joe Biden. And so no doubt everyone's aligned on this. 400 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 7: Donald Trump probably feels this way. The campaign's going to 401 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 7: want to see something different. And so it's not just 402 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 7: Donald Trump's speech. Whoever has been crafting the vice president's 403 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 7: speech is going to. 404 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 8: Be having to echo that. 405 00:20:52,520 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 7: It may change the lineup of who introduces the vice 406 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 7: presidential candidate. Currently we had Donald Trump Junior, another pit 407 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 7: bull of the Republican Party. I wouldn't be surprised to 408 00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 7: see a change made there. So I think you're going 409 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 7: to see a kindler, jettler Republican Convention moving out, nonetheless political, 410 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 7: but definitely tonally different. 411 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: Well, and what goes for Republicans also probably goes for 412 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: Joe Biden as his campaign, at least in rethinking your 413 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,159 Speaker 3: tone in the way in which you message, be it 414 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 3: a threat to democracy or anything else. And I would 415 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 3: point out that while we wait to hear Donald Trump 416 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: speak at the convention later this week. We will hear 417 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 3: more from Joe Biden this evening as he sits down 418 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: for an interview on NBC with Lester Holtz, after hearing 419 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 3: from him three times within the last several days since 420 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,240 Speaker 3: the shooting, including an Oval office address last night where 421 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 3: he was talking about unity Jeanie. Knowing that there is 422 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 3: going to be the split screen of the RNC and 423 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 3: a vice presidential pick up against this interview, what is 424 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 3: the winning message here for Joe Biden? 425 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 8: What's he trying to do? 426 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 9: I thought his statement yesterday or last night was very strong. 427 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 9: I think we're going to hear more of that. He's 428 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 9: going to talk about uniting the country, the idea that 429 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 9: we don't resolve our differences with guns or with violence, 430 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 9: we do it at the ballot box. And I think 431 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 9: it's very important that he called and spoke to Donald Trump. 432 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 9: We have already noticed on the Republican side some modulating 433 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,679 Speaker 9: of rhetoric, people like viveig Ramaswami, who is a bit 434 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,160 Speaker 9: of a pit bull like Donald Trump Junior, and Jade Vance. 435 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 9: His tone seems to have moderated, so I don't know 436 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 9: if we are just being pollyannish and hopeful that the 437 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 9: tone is moderating. We are, after all, going into a 438 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 9: Republican convention, and any convention is about, you know, opposition 439 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 9: to your opponents politically. But it does seem like there 440 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 9: is a change. And I will just say I've noticed 441 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,880 Speaker 9: in Donald Trump's rhetoric, in particular this talk about a conversion, 442 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 9: the idea that this had that impact that Rick was 443 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 9: just talking about, and that Ronald Reagan talked about after 444 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 9: he was shot it changed his life and what he 445 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 9: hoped to do and did as president. Now I don't 446 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 9: know if that's going to happen with Donald Trump, but 447 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 9: that's some of that. And that really fascinating interview in 448 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 9: the Washington Examiner with with Selena Ze. That was fascinating, 449 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 9: And the fact that he called her was in and 450 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 9: of itself, really a remarkable moment. 451 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 4: She was there with her daughter, and I guess they 452 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 4: had an interview set up. He felt bad that they 453 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,360 Speaker 4: didn't have the opportunity. It is pretty remarkable. 454 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 8: Here. 455 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 4: Does Joe Biden need to make news tonight or is 456 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 4: this simply about normalizing as Genie indicated, the idea of 457 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 4: doing interviews like these. 458 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, I think there's a little bit of inappropriateness by 459 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 7: the president sort of you know, horning in on the 460 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 7: first night of the Republican convention. In years gone by, 461 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 7: there's sort of an understanding that you sort of give 462 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 7: the opposition party their convention. So I think, yeah, I mean, 463 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 7: I would be shocked if he tried to make news. 464 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 7: I buy what Gennie's saying that, you know, he's just 465 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 7: trying to remain relevant. Remember, it was only a couple 466 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 7: of days ago we were talking about getting, you know, 467 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 7: the Democratic Party purging him from there their ticket, and 468 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 7: so I think he's trying to manage the transition back 469 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,400 Speaker 7: to being a favorite of the Democrats. And I think 470 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 7: certainly the White House in his camp pain feel they 471 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 7: need to have him out there showing people that he's 472 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 7: vibrant and can handle the difficulties of a presidential campaign 473 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 7: and the presidency. So that's what tonight's all about, all right. 474 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,240 Speaker 3: Rick Davis of Stoneford Capital and Jeanie Schanzeno of Iona 475 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 3: University Bloomberg Politics contributors in our political panel here in Milwaukee. 476 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and still ahead, we'll be joined 477 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: by former Homeland Security Official Ashley Davis amid the heightened 478 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 3: security here at the RNC in the aftermath of the 479 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 3: attempted assassination of Donald Trump. 480 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,439 Speaker 8: Over the weekend. 481 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 3: We'll have more next on Balance of Power on Bloomberg 482 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 3: TV and Radio. 483 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch 484 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 2: Just Live weekdays at noon Eastern Onmocarplay and then Roud 485 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: Otto with the Bloomberg Business app. Listen on demand wherever 486 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 2: you get your podcasts, or watch us live on YouTube. 487 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 3: Now joining us live on set here in Milwaukee is 488 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: a member of the House Judiciary Committee. To help us 489 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: react to this news and get things underway. Here in 490 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: Wisconsin is the convention kicks off. Republican Congressmen, victorious parts 491 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 3: of Indiana is with us now. Welcome to Bloomberg TV 492 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 3: and Radio. Congressman, thank you so much for being here. 493 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: We have a lot to discuss in terms of the 494 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: convention taking place over the next four days, but could 495 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: we first get your reaction to the dismissal of Donald 496 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 3: Trump's case down in Florida. 497 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 10: Well, at least we have some comments and judges, because 498 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 10: unfortunately our judicial system been weaponized and it's really an 499 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,240 Speaker 10: American people see it. So I think this is very 500 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 10: you know, fortunate that we now can at least have 501 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,640 Speaker 10: real conversation and what they're doing to President Trump is unbelievable. 502 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 8: You know. 503 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 10: As a member of Judiciary Committee, we have so many 504 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 10: investigation looking on those issues and how our Department of 505 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,360 Speaker 10: Justice is doing this is really dangerous. 506 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: What's happened in our country. This is not in. 507 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 10: The democratic, constitutional republic. 508 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 8: That should be happening. 509 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 10: That's happening in throad world countries, but not in America. 510 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 10: So I'm glad to see that happen, and I think 511 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 10: it's a good step forward. 512 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,520 Speaker 4: Do you not believe the independent counsel is independent? 513 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 10: Well, listen, we had these independent consuls, but we've seen 514 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 10: that what is happening, you know, including was all of 515 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 10: this report, they still come from the same system, and honestly, 516 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 10: in a lot of ways, even special consols the Department 517 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 10: Justice appoints there still I would argue, probably in some 518 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 10: way unconstitutional and probably not as independent because they still 519 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 10: come from the same system, and the system became corrupt, 520 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 10: I hate to tell you, and really not serving to 521 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 10: protect people rights and using very very effectively politically. 522 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 3: So would this discredit, say Special Council Ways who brought 523 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 3: the charges against Hunter Biden, or Special Counsel her who 524 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 3: authored that report about Joe Biden's own handling of classified 525 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 3: documents and called him a well meeting man with a 526 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,360 Speaker 3: poor memory. 527 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 10: Well, listen, I would say that we need to really 528 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 10: have a serious conversation about usage of special council and 529 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 10: unless judiciary hearing, we actual Republicans brought up some of 530 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 10: my colleagues to include and me the issue how constitutionally 531 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 10: these special consoles are and really should be reusing them, 532 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 10: because I've noticed what's happening. We have all this investigation 533 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 10: going so no one can ask questions, there is no transparency. 534 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 10: Then statue of limitation expires, so no one is bringing 535 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 10: charges and there is no really consequences for doing some 536 00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 10: things that are pretty serious. So I think this has 537 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 10: been very in effective process. Conduct needs to look how 538 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 10: we can clarify that law and how the usership special consoles. 539 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 10: So I have really concerns with all of them, I'll 540 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 10: be honest with you, and the results of the investigations 541 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 10: and really lack of accountability in the Department of Justice. 542 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 4: It's interesting to hear that you see that it cuts 543 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 4: both ways politically. We're here on the first day of 544 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 4: the Republican National Convention. You must be excited. You finally 545 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: got to this moment, and it hasn't come easily here 546 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 4: based on what we've seen over the past couple of days. 547 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: Donald Trump has made his way to town, and I'd 548 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 4: like to get your impressions on what we're hearing. This 549 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 4: narrative about unity, about lowering the temperature, an attempted assassination 550 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 4: of a former president of the United States. It's the 551 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 4: Republican Party capable of lowering the temperature this week. 552 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 10: Well, listen, I mean it's an election year, so people definitely, 553 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 10: you know, have a lot of excitement, but I think 554 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 10: you know it's going to be excitement for the future 555 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 10: of our country because we need to start governing. 556 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 8: We have a lot of serious issues. 557 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 10: Being punted for a very long time, and American people 558 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:26,119 Speaker 10: are tired. That's why the temperature is so hot on 559 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 10: all of the site, because the government haven't been governing 560 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 10: and representing the people. And I think this is going 561 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 10: to be a discussion how we can get our economy 562 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 10: back on growth, how we can you know, build good 563 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 10: economy for all Americans deal with inflations and deal with 564 00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 10: a lot of policy to have a brighter future for 565 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 10: our children, because we're not doing it right now. And 566 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 10: political crategal is difficult, you know, and I think unfortunately 567 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 10: it's been used in all of the sites to energize 568 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 10: the base and it's part of politics. But I hope 569 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 10: we can have a constructive conversation. We do definitely need 570 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 10: to investigate see what's happened, because this is unbelievable. What's 571 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 10: happened really and how close you know, you know, we 572 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 10: had a situation that could have been very different convention 573 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 10: right now and it would be said things for our 574 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 10: country and could just stabilize countries so much so I 575 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 10: think I hopefully have more adults in the room to 576 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 10: have these serious debates on issues. 577 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 8: That's what we need to do. 578 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 3: Well, as we consider the events of this weekend and 579 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 3: what is being done in response, there has been reporting 580 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 3: that the Chair of the Judiciary Committee, Jim Jordan, as 581 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 3: well as Jerry Nadler, the ranking member, were briefed by 582 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: the FBI this morning. Has any of that information been 583 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 3: shared with you as a member? What have you been told? 584 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 10: Well, we have some discussion and we have, you know, 585 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 10: right now, we need to make sure. 586 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 8: That we proceed properly. 587 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 10: But I think it's an interest of both parties, both sides, 588 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 10: to look what's really happened. 589 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 8: You know. 590 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 10: So I hope that my Democrat colleagues and we had 591 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 10: situations where you know, Jim Jordan and Nadler are own 592 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 10: situations of surveillance and war and requirement. We actually came 593 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 10: together people on the right and the left. You know, 594 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 10: we had situations we're dealing with some protection of privacy 595 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 10: of Americans is so we can come together with one 596 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 10: So maybe we can have a serious conversation, not to 597 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 10: have a lot of grand standing, even in judiciary commedity, 598 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 10: and this is the probably the most grand standing committee. 599 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 10: But we can find the common ground. So I'm glad 600 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 10: to see that, and I hope we can have a 601 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 10: serious conversation because it can cut both ways, not just 602 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,360 Speaker 10: an hour away. I think Democrats should be concerned about 603 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 10: the two because that is a huge failure of security. 604 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 10: Will just happen. 605 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 4: Well, should that conversation include security for members of Congress? 606 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 4: We've been through this before, following Gabby Giffords, following steve'scalice. 607 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 4: Should members like yourself have a security detail. 608 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 8: We need to have a discussion. 609 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 10: That is a pretty dangerous job and how we really, 610 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 10: you know, deal A lot of people don't realize that 611 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 10: generally only a few members and Congress have any security 612 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 10: and we right now in a very polarized environments and how, 613 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 10: you know, how we can be deal with that. I 614 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 10: think this is we need to have because I mean, 615 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 10: it's a great one, a huge responsibility, but in this environment, 616 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 10: like I'm probably one of the few members of Congress 617 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 10: that does in person town halls. 618 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 8: A lot of my colleagues are. 619 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 10: Actually very concerned to do that for that reason, because 620 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 10: you put your life in danger by doing that. But 621 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 10: we still have to be able to communicate with our 622 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 10: constituents and we have to be able to get out 623 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 10: otherwise we cannot represent them well. 624 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 8: So I think it's a conversation. 625 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: To have well as you're doing that communication and thinking 626 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 3: about what your constituents want to see from the Republican Party, 627 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: the kind of policy conversations that will be happening at 628 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,600 Speaker 3: the R and C this week. You talk about things 629 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 3: like fighting inflation, what is the actual plan to do 630 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: so when many economists we speak with here at Bloomberg 631 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: suggest that some of the Trump policies he is suggesting, 632 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 3: like increasing tariffs, would only be further inflation area. So 633 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 3: what exactly is the proper plan? 634 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 8: Well, I think you're not president and Trump is. 635 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 10: You know, he wants to grow the economy and he 636 00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 10: wants to make sure that we continue text GUIDs, but 637 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 10: we definitely need to look in the spending side. And 638 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 10: this is a conversation I have as his team numbers 639 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 10: on spending side, how we can reform some of the 640 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 10: big ticket items like healthcare. You know, if we want 641 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 10: to really bring re energize the enemy, it decreased that 642 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 10: load and save a lot of programs that we promised 643 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 10: to Americans, including like Medicare and Medicaid. Let's look how 644 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 10: much is the res abuse in the system? Trillions of 645 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 10: dollars of issues that actually President Trump and Obama agreed on. 646 00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 8: Let's have And that's what the conversation. 647 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 10: We need to have and have a plan, And I 648 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 10: think this is something we've been working to try to 649 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 10: have because a lot of time in the political world, 650 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 10: you have very short window where things can happen right 651 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 10: after the election, So you need to have a plan 652 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 10: and good plan. You need to wet and have a 653 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 10: real So that's what we want to do. How we 654 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 10: can deal with our dependency in China, our supply chain, 655 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 10: you know, energy policy, always spending it. Which big part 656 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 10: is healthcare and dependency in China, and really is with 657 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 10: driving the biggest driver on inflation right now is that 658 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 10: we have to deal And I think he has a 659 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 10: lot of good people with good policy ideas, and I 660 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 10: think before you know my you know my hopes we're 661 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 10: going to win, and my hopes we can deliver that 662 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,960 Speaker 10: next Congress with President Trump. 663 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: You're the only Ukrainian American serving in Congress. Will we 664 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 4: hear about Ukraine at this convention? WI would be the 665 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 4: party's posture on this war. 666 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 8: But I think this is a very complicated issue. 667 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 10: I think, you know, this convention going to talk about 668 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 10: big issues like border domestic issues, but foreign policies issues 669 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 10: are important and President Trump doesn't want to have worse. 670 00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 10: President Trump wants Europeans to step up and he probably 671 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 10: doesn't get enough credit, and a lot of international issues 672 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 10: that he actually did a lot of things to deter 673 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 10: Rush from prose aggression, you know, So I don't think 674 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 10: that is the main not the main topic on the 675 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 10: you know, in the mind of Americans right now, but 676 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 10: it is very important topic and we have to be 677 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 10: figuring it out. We cannot have never ending wars. We 678 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 10: need to learn from two trillion. You know that we 679 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 10: spend enough against no Listen, I know this is a 680 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 10: lot of political things. You know that you say, but 681 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 10: he will definitely will do whatever he can to really 682 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 10: try to figure out how to resolve this situation, because 683 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 10: this has became a very very very difficult and very 684 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 10: very bloody war and millions of lives are going to 685 00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 10: be destroyed already. 686 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: So do you think that Ukraine can count on a 687 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,360 Speaker 3: future Trump administration to continue the support the US has 688 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 3: provided up to this point in the war. 689 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 10: From my prospective, I think Biden administration failed in Ukraine 690 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,239 Speaker 10: the trough of the war, the slow walk day. So 691 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 10: I think President Trump will be much stronger in these issues, 692 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 10: and I think he'll be willing to work with all 693 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 10: of the parts. 694 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 8: You know what I mean. 695 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 10: You know, I cannot talk on his behalf, but I'll 696 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,400 Speaker 10: note that you know a lot of things people don't realize. 697 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 10: It's also congresses in well on these issues. Actually power 698 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 10: of the person and war power. It should be in 699 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,960 Speaker 10: Congress anyway, and I think President Trump been working and 700 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 10: talking to a lot of members of Congress on this 701 00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,480 Speaker 10: issue too, you know. 702 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 8: So there is a political rhetorics. 703 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,239 Speaker 10: And there is also real, you know, discussions, and I 704 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,800 Speaker 10: think the real discussions will be much better for Ukraine 705 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:44,200 Speaker 10: than they. 706 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 8: Are right now. 707 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 4: Are we going to get a running mate and aspens today? 708 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 10: I hope so, And I'm really excited about that. 709 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:51,520 Speaker 4: Where are you in the office pool? 710 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 8: You know? 711 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,239 Speaker 10: Listen, you know, they're all lucky that I cannot be one, 712 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 10: and otherwise they will be all in. 713 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 8: Trouble, you know. But I'd be a little bit a 714 00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 8: great alike. 715 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 10: To the administration because I truly believe we cannot govern 716 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 10: through executive waters. Congress needs to start doing his job. Actually, 717 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,120 Speaker 10: Chevron Docrine, you know, the Supreme Court ruler and Chevron 718 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 10: doctrines showed us we are not doing our job, and I. 719 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 8: Think we need to. 720 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 10: This is instability for the country to change policies with 721 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 10: each administration. You know, we need to discuss, deliberate and 722 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 10: deliver on some of the key policies and they have 723 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,440 Speaker 10: long term effect for economy, for businesses and productability. 724 00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 8: That is very important that. 725 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 10: Our businesses even sometimes maybe they don't like our policies, 726 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 10: but at least they can react on them, not like 727 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 10: retroactively do them or change them three times a year. 728 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 8: That's not very good for the country. 729 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 4: Republican Congress. When Victorias sparts of Indiana, thank you for 730 00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,879 Speaker 4: being with us. I wish you were safe and successful. 731 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 8: Convention. 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