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Speaker 1: Hello, Marlins Bands, and welcome back to a brand new

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Speaker 1: episode of phish Ology. Or here on Phishology, we'll give

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Speaker 1: you in depth stats and analysis.

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Speaker 2: On your favorite Marlins players for the twenty twenty three season,

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Speaker 2: and with this episode of Phishology, we will be looking

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Speaker 2: at the three newest Marlins players acquired at the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: There right behind me in Jake Burger, Josh Bell, and

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Speaker 1: Ryan Weathers.

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Speaker 3: Right here you can see.

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Speaker 1: I'll move down. You can see We'll be focusing mostly

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Speaker 1: on these two guys since they are on the active roster.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Weathers, it is a bit in a flux right

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Speaker 1: now in the organization. In future pla coming to the

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Speaker 1: active roster, so we'll dabble a little bit on him

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Speaker 1: later on in the show. But as always, I'm joined

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Speaker 1: by Eli Saussman and our chief phishologist Lewis Adeo. Wise, guys,

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Speaker 1: how do you feel about this episode on these three

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Speaker 1: new players?

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Speaker 4: It's that as fun the deadline day as the modents

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Speaker 4: have had in three years, I guess since twenty twenty,

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Speaker 4: but even really more so one of more exhiliaratingdism that

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Speaker 4: they've had in a long long time. Just understanding going

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Speaker 4: into this knowing pretty clearly that they were going to

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Speaker 4: be buyers and doing it. You knew it was going

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Speaker 4: to be creative. You knew they were going to get players.

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Speaker 4: You knew that you didn't know what they were going

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Speaker 4: to do. They were the popular there were like you

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Speaker 4: could try to connect the DUTs as best as possible.

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Speaker 4: But he went into this knowing that Kim was going

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Speaker 4: to cook up something creative, and that's that's the best

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Speaker 4: outcome to me for somebody that covers the team, Like

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Speaker 4: this is getting moves that surprised you, but we didn't

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Speaker 4: take a step back. This was a lot of fun

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Speaker 4: and this kind of I think this reinvigorated just about

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Speaker 4: everybody both in and outside the team to make moves

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Speaker 4: like this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely agree.

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Speaker 5: I mean it's one of those instances where you're excited

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Speaker 5: because you can kind of look at what they already have,

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Speaker 5: and now what they're kind of bringing on. They kind

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Speaker 5: of just feel like, maybe just for this year alone,

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Speaker 5: because I think these are a lot of you know,

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Speaker 3: Will touch on you know.

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Speaker 5: I think the main protagonists of this episode or at

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Speaker 5: least the guy that we feel is the most impactful

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Speaker 5: move right away is more of a win now move

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Speaker 5: rather than a like kind of like long term fix.

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Speaker 5: But it's it's exciting to see because I mean, if

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Speaker 5: you like really like look back like past deadlines, you know,

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Speaker 5: the Marlins made like marginal moves to pick up guys

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Speaker 5: like obviously Starling Martue was huge and help them in

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Speaker 5: the postseason in twenty twenty. Within twenty sixteen, they try

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Speaker 5: to make some moves like with Andrew Casher and Frant Rodney,

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Speaker 5: and obviously, due to unforeseen circumstances, things didn't.

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Speaker 3: Play out well, and they've tried to add players with

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Speaker 5: Of seasons twenty twelve twenty fifteen, but obviously those two

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Speaker 5: we wanted them to. That being said, though, yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: it's fun to kind of like it like for your

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Speaker 5: local team to be in the market to buy with

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Speaker 5: the intent of going to the playoffs and really going

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Speaker 5: for the ultimate prize at the end of the season,

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Speaker 5: win the World Series. It's it's fun because you know,

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Speaker 5: for the better part of two decades now it hasn't

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Speaker 3: Way for the most part.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and with this we took a little bit fair,

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Speaker 1: but maybe the most impactful play and the player to

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Speaker 1: with the most accolades. Former Silver Slugger All Star was

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Speaker 1: traded in the big Juan Soto trade last season at

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Speaker 1: the deadline from Washington to the Padres, went to the

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Speaker 1: Guardians and is now a Miami Marlon was part of

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Speaker 1: the big trade, going with Jean Cigara and Khalil Watson

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Speaker 1: home runs, fifty RBI seven to four ops. The veteran

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Speaker 1: the teams Lewis, what are the Marlins getting with Josh

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Speaker 1: Bell and how does he fit with this team short term?

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Speaker 1: Whereas these other moves seem like the more long term moves.

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Speaker 5: And I want to preface that obviously, I said Bell

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Speaker 5: a believe it's a player option, which in unlikely because

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Speaker 5: he's done having a best the best year of his career.

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Speaker 5: I know with Cleveland he had seven to one ops

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Speaker 5: believe that even in what's going to be a weak

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Speaker 5: he is somebody that they the Marlins were cognizant of

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Speaker 5: as well. He just has very good at bats and

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Speaker 5: he kind of, along with Jorg Solaire, I would say

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Speaker 5: that Josh Bells may be in that B minus B

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Speaker 5: the modern game of you know, you have your pet

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Speaker 5: A Lonzo's, Aaron Judges, and maybe your Trout Motani's. He's

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Speaker 5: kind of in that B category where he's like just

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Speaker 5: different dynamic, and that is power in conjunction with the

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Speaker 5: play discipline that I think is so important.

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Speaker 6: The two one pitch just swung on and hit high

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Speaker 6: Good bar, Josh Bell the bom Welcome to Miami, Josh Bell.

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Speaker 6: It's his twelfth of this season. The Marlins are on

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Speaker 5: Here with the sixth, you know, it lengthens the lineup

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Speaker 5: for sure, you know, Like obviously you could fantasize about

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Speaker 5: at the same time. But I don't know he like

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Speaker 5: I said, it's just you're gonna get more professional at bats,

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Speaker 5: and the Marlins don't walking up and they actually haven't

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Speaker 5: kind of been their crux for a few years now.

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Speaker 5: But to get a guy who has more of a

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Speaker 5: I think the combination of walks and power and just

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Speaker 3: I think he'd do well in any lineup.

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Speaker 5: But I think, especially now in a team that's so

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Speaker 1: Yes, same to you, Eli on Josh Bell, tell me

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Speaker 1: a little bit on maybe how he impacts this team

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Speaker 1: in the short term and maybe the financial situation the

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Speaker 1: Marlins are putting themselves in with Josh Bell again training

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this was an interesting one where, in hindsight, I

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Speaker 4: kind of baffling to see Segura get as much playing

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Speaker 4: don't know, if you say in the decline, it was

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Speaker 4: just evident that he was miscast as an everyday player,

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Speaker 4: continued to play all the way up into the trade.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was still the Marlins primary third basement

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Speaker 4: every single day before being moved, only to get sent

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Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, that drop of a finger,

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Speaker 4: he's gone from the team. He's out of the league

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Speaker 4: entirely because Cleveland dropped him. And I wonder if it

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Speaker 4: get rid of him. So they did get rid of

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Speaker 4: able to coordinate this is because Bell has owed even

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Speaker 4: more money the rest of this year, and he's owed

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Speaker 4: a lot more money next year. It was sixteen point

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Speaker 4: of money. What the Marlins are betting on. Is something

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Speaker 4: is he is one of the top players in terms

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Speaker 4: considering he is first base DH only. But the underlying

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Speaker 4: There's a sixty two point gap between Bell's actual slugging

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Speaker 4: I think even the Guardians were kind of confused as

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Speaker 4: when you look at the underlying numbers, it is hard

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Speaker 4: the year. It was very convenient for the Marlins that

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Speaker 4: reaching base in total five times in this very first game,

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Speaker 4: and for those coming via hits, including one very long

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Speaker 4: this move made a lot of sense. They were betting

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Speaker 4: on him more so than Garrett Cooper. So Garret Cooper's

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Speaker 4: guess that Cooper, assuming a few things better than Bell

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Speaker 4: the underlying skills that they have a Bell is the

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Speaker 4: one that has a lot more upside for the rest

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Speaker 4: of this year, and it's nice that he has that

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Speaker 4: on the quality of Bell's at bats. You saw that

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Speaker 1: With Josh but just looking up some more of his

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Speaker 5: But I think, you know, maybe a change of scenery

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Speaker 3: It remains to be seen.

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Speaker 5: being said, the control aspect is probably what was most

437
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 5: in Kurt was most enticing about acquiring guy like that

438
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 5: because if you the Marlins as we as we stated

439
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 5: with you know, the benefit of acquiring Bell, who is

440
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 5: a power bat, gives you that aspect in your lineup

441
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 5: that was greatly lacking beyond so Layer and you know

442
00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 5: Jazz and Abbie have it, but where have they been

443
00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 5: for a while. You know, they're they've only been back

444
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:57,439
Speaker 5: for you know, less than a week at this point

445
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 5: to have you know, what you can pencil in are

446
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 5: tentatively is twenty five to thirty home runs at your

447
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 5: at your corner endfield spot. And you can do that

448
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 5: right now for the next year and a half because

449
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440
Speaker 5: you're gonna likely have Bell next year, as we said,

450
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 5: and you're you know you're gonna have Burger. That's encouraging.

451
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 5: They just just like it. Get it lengthens your lineup,

452
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 5: and it gives you a different dynamic. And there are

453
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 5: two very different types of hitters. Obviously, I would say

454
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,439
Speaker 5: that Jake Berger maybe overall isn't as well rounded because

455
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 5: of his his a bit not an ability, but he

456
00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:35,600
Speaker 5: has a propensity to strike out quite a bit. I

457
00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,919
Speaker 5: believe when he was traded from Chicago he had a

458
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 5: twenty two to one oh two strike out to walk ratio.

459
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Speaker 5: That's not great. It could be worse. You could be

460
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 5: rootenet Odor and just not walk at all and strike

461
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 5: out a bunch but not hit for enough power to

462
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,199
Speaker 5: justify it. That being said, though, I think just you know,

463
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 5: his ability to hit the ball out of the ballpark,

464
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 5: and he's had some bread and despite the lack of

465
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: quote unquote plays, he's had some pretty good at bets

466
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 5: since he's come over.

467
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Speaker 3: He's not chasing everything that's coming at him. He's he's

468
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 3: been he's been encouraging.

469
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Speaker 5: And then beyond the statistics, I think he just we

470
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 5: kind of just have to touch on the personality. I think, like,

471
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: obviously this is a numbers first podcast, but he is

472
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Speaker 5: a eight. If you can give an eighty for personality,

473
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,040
Speaker 5: I think he'd have to give him a ninety because

474
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 5: he just seems such a like it just seems like

475
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 5: such a genuinely great person like we saw him on

476
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 5: the field with Jess post game yesterday, and you know,

477
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,440
Speaker 5: the Marlins have done a fantastic job to the social

478
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 5: media team a you know kind of sharing and getting

479
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: to know him with the way that they posted a

480
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 5: picture from today with him with it holding his son

481
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 5: and the captain was Burger and Slider And then that's

482
00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 5: something that he embraces. I mean, we's like our own

483
00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 5: NOA yesterday asked him about Hey, like what was it

484
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 5: like to have that kind of like promo centered on you, like,

485
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 5: you know, his kind of feeling of embrace and you're

486
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 5: coming to a new team and you could just see

487
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 5: that he was so welcoming. So you know, he's one

488
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Speaker 5: of those guys that even if he doesn't hit to

489
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 5: his full potential, and I expect that he will because

490
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 5: obviously he's got data that suggests, you know, when you

491
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 5: hit the ball that hard and your power is that legit,

492
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 5: especially in Chicago, that he will. But beyond that, just

493
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 5: the personality is just so like, like he's just one

494
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 5: of those He's one of those people.

495
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Speaker 3: That makes you want to be a better person.

496
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Speaker 5: And like I haven't even met the guy in person yet,

497
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 5: but he but that's just an aspect of him that

498
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 5: I feel like is gonna be It's gonna wear off

499
00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 5: on people. And you know, not only did they get

500
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 5: better on the field because of the the batted ball data,

501
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 5: but they also got better in the clubhouse, and that's

502
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 5: a clubhouse culture that had already changed. So I could

503
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: just imagine, you know, what it's going to be like,

504
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 5: you know, going to work with that guy every day.

505
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Speaker 5: So you know, I'm I'm a big Jake Berger guy.

506
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 5: I understand the flaws that come with him, you know,

507
00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:50,400
Speaker 5: they're the defense is maybe somewhat suspect at third base.

508
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 5: He's probably a first basement long term. But I can't

509
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 5: really complain about it right now other than you know,

510
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 5: just what I've previously said. I'm just I'm very excited

511
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 5: to know that he is somebody that's going to be

512
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 5: in the fold for years to come.

513
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has. What jumps out to me is the

514
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 4: extremity of some of his splits that he has. You

515
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 4: could start with the platoon situation, Yeah, pretty significant, nine

516
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 4: thirty nine ops against lefties versus a seven to sixty

517
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 4: seven against righties, about one hundred and seventy point gap

518
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 4: right there. The bigger one is home versus road. Playing

519
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 4: at what do they call that now guaranteed right field,

520
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 4: he was like he was dominant over there, opsing right

521
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 4: around one thousands at home with twice with two thirds

522
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: of his home runs on the season. Playing there versus

523
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 4: on the road, he was awful, basically replacement level as

524
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: a hitter, one seventy one batting average with a six

525
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: eighteen ops and the strikeout rate way up on the road,

526
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 4: the walk rate about cut in half for whatever reason.

527
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 4: There's gonna be a lot of noise even in the

528
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 4: course of you know, three hundred played appearances. But I

529
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 4: still find that fascinating that there was such a divide

530
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 4: there between home and a road. This is not a

531
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 4: team in the White Sox that you usually think of

532
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: having those type of splits like this is not a

533
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 4: Rockies player, This is not even yeah, this isn't a

534
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 4: player with a particularly rockous home crowd that would necessarily

535
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 4: boost their production. This is just a guy coming from

536
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: that situation. So so far he has not played on

537
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: the road as a Marlin. He's about to after you've

538
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 4: finished watching this, they'll go on the road in Texas

539
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 4: and then another road trip to Cincinnati. So if he

540
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: can't hit in Cincinnati, if he struggles to say it

541
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 4: there when the friendliest home, friendliest place is to be

542
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 4: as a power hitter, then he might have some concerns

543
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 4: about Berger and whether these road issues is anything substantial

544
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: going on. He had a pretty poor month of June,

545
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 4: but overall I ask you that, yeah, we're all relatively consistent. Otherwise, Yeah,

546
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 4: things were kind of dipping for him. Like a strikeout

547
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: rate went through the roof. That's like a forty strikeout, right,

548
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 4: and he.

549
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: Does that in Miami. Would that be beneficial or would

550
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: you take the home runs? If he mentioned forty percent

551
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: strike out? Right, he's giving you cuof to forty strikeouts

552
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: and not even double digit walks. Sorry to cut you off,

553
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: but if that's something you will offset or the home

554
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: runs really worth that many strikeouts and that many walks?

555
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: No, this is you know right?

556
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 4: I agree with Lewis, like this is a player where

557
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: he does have many years of GOUG control. He could

558
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 4: theoretically be around a while. But I think he's somebody

559
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,879
Speaker 4: that I mean in a much different way than Cigar. I

560
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,480
Speaker 4: think he's also miscast as an everyday starter at this

561
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 4: point based on what he's shown because this is a

562
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 4: guy where I think you can point two particular matchups.

563
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 4: You need to be very conscious of the kind of

564
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 4: pictures that he's facing and try to put him in

565
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,880
Speaker 4: situations where he's less prone to swing and missing, less

566
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:04,159
Speaker 4: prone to chasing. It's not just the strikeout issue in general.

567
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: He's putting himself in these strikeout situations because he is

568
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: towards the bottom of the barrel and chasing pitches out

569
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 4: of his own So I think it is especially when

570
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 4: he's going through certain slumps or early times where it

571
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 4: is behooves the Marlins who have him not in the

572
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 4: lineup and have him available off the bench and then

573
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 4: bringing them in as a pinch hitter in situations that

574
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: are advantageous to him. This is a player that I

575
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 4: think could be relatively streaky, just based on, you know,

576
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 4: the the vulnerabilities in his game in terms of putting

577
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: balls in play. But this is this is the prototype

578
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 4: that having power, having this kind of power and playing

579
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 4: in the infield like this was so sorely needed by

580
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 4: this Marlins team, and I guess Bell folds into that

581
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: as well. This infield as a whole they've had there's

582
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 4: just been so little power production from about what makes

583
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 4: up constitutes about half of their entire lineup, because a

584
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 4: Rise is amazing doesn't hit for power though, and on

585
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: the left side of the endfield, none of those guys,

586
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: whether it was Sigura, whether it was Wendell, whether it

587
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 4: was Birdie. That's another thing that's absence from their game

588
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 4: as well. And even Cooper relative to other first base

589
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 4: DH types, was average at best, if not a little

590
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 4: below average in terms of over the fence power. So Berger,

591
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 4: because of the context of the team that he is on,

592
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 4: he balances that out very well, like they're gonna be

593
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: situations where he's going to help them cash in on

594
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: runs and put up crooked numbers where we've seen for

595
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 4: a good portion of this year, times where they've left

596
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: guys on base or where they've had a lot of

597
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 4: instances grounding into double plays because they have a lot

598
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 4: of players that are programmed towards hitting ground balls. And

599
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 4: let me just double check his ground ball rate. Like

600
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 4: my theory, my impression is that Burger is a good

601
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 4: flyball guy as a whole. He's right around the league

602
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 4: average in terms of ground ball rates relative to the

603
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 4: rest of this Marlins team, though, that is a big improvement.

604
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: That is a that is a nice variety to have

605
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 4: somebody that is not super ground ball prone but just

606
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 4: finishing up on a couple.

607
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: There's a factor.

608
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: There's a factor I wanted to touch on it. Maybe

609
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 5: get your take on Eli. We've talked a little bit

610
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 5: here in the past about park factors and park factors

611
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 5: for those who aren't aware, is a metric that kind

612
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 5: of It's one hundred is considered baseline for both and

613
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 5: anything below, So anything below one hundred favors pictures and anything.

614
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: Above one hundred favors hitters.

615
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 5: You know, if something's ninety nine for pictures, it'll be

616
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 5: a one on one for hitters, et cetera. It assesses

617
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 5: offensive production in that ballpark and then assigns a score

618
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 5: to it. Given that he's played in a primarily pitcher

619
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Speaker 5: friendly division. Now he's coming from the American League Central,

620
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 5: I like can't Kaufman Stadium is generally regarded as a

621
00:30:54,880 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: pitcher's park, target Field CA America and guaranteed Ray and Cleveland.

622
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 5: Do you think that maybe obviously that playing in a division,

623
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 5: and you know he's going to have obviously everybody plays

624
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: everybody now, and he's really only going to play, you know,

625
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,719
Speaker 5: a handful of games in those those ballparks per season.

626
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 5: But do you think maybe that more advantageous ballparks by

627
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 5: park factor, because obviously we know about P and C,

628
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 5: where we know about Citizens Bank City Field has in

629
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 5: recent years become more of an offensive ballpark. Nationals Park

630
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:34,239
Speaker 5: generally plays more favorably to hitters, and Truist, you know,

631
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 5: Truest is another one of those ballparks as well. Do

632
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 5: you think maybe that they the the exposure to ballparks

633
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 5: where offense is more is more offensive friendly. Do you

634
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: think that maybe plays in his favor or do you

635
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 5: think that could possibly even exacerbate his aggressiveness because he's like,

636
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 5: oh my god, I'm I'm playing in these ballparks where

637
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 5: like I have better chances of doing damage because you know,

638
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 5: the ball tends to carry a little bit better here,

639
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 5: or generally speaking, production is up in these ballpark's relative

640
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 5: to where I was before.

641
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 4: I'm not going to focus very much on that in

642
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 4: this new modern world where divisional play is much smaller

643
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 4: piece of the pie than it used to be. So

644
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: they obviously do play those teams more than any other.

645
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 4: But as a whole, it represents now less than a

646
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 4: third of your schedule, all things considered, and in this

647
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: new stuff you now play every team at least once.

648
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 4: So the fact that now he'll still get to visit

649
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 4: a couple of those old ale Central parks that he

650
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 4: used to play, I wouldn't read too much into that

651
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: with him. It should be noted, though, that you have

652
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: concerns sometimes about players coming to Miami as power hitters,

653
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 4: and for whatever reason, the home runs go away, or

654
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 4: a lot of them do that some of the balls

655
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: that were flying easily out of other ballparks are dying

656
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: on the warning track and lone depot for what is

657
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 4: worth Baseball Savant in statcast, they estimate how many like

658
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: the weather ballparks. They estimate your expected home runs in

659
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 4: different ballparks based on the dimensions of those ballparks and

660
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 4: the conditions. There berger twenty five actual home runs and

661
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 4: twenty four of those twenty five would have been gone

662
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: at lone depot according to their estimation. So there's optimism

663
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 4: that he has so much power and a lot of

664
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: these home runs are clearing the fence by a big

665
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 4: enough margin that the change in scenery will have a

666
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 4: very minimal impact on him. That his power is such

667
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: an extent that it carries no matter where he goes.

668
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: I think that's one aspect that's very important. As we've

669
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: touched on from the beginning, he's a very limited impact

670
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: player if he's not hitting those home runs. He needs

671
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 4: to be near the top of the league in home

672
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 4: runs per plate appearance to make himself and anything close

673
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 4: to an above average right that is so much of

674
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 4: its value right there. And you're going to live with

675
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 4: the fact that he's just not going to get on

676
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 4: base very much at all, because you hope that once

677
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 4: every four games that he plays he gets a home run,

678
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 4: and there is some optimism just because of the loudness

679
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 4: of that concept that he will that perhaps he could

680
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 4: continue to be that premium home run threat that he

681
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 4: already was, even though he's come into a much different environment.

682
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and with Jake Berger, I think one thing we

683
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: have to mention, this is the most playing time he's

684
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 1: ever gotten in his career. Last season he was fluctuating

685
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 1: between Triple A and with the Chicago White Sox only

686
00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 1: fifty one games, and here he's getting close to ninety.

687
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: He still hasn't even fully developed in the major league level.

688
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: He still hasn't even played in one hundred games in

689
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: the season, So that's something that still has to be watched.

690
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,400
Speaker 1: There with with Jake Berger, and you know, coming from

691
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: the White Sox, lewis, how do you think Jake Berger

692
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: maybe progresses. Let's say, what's his expectations in a full

693
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: one sixty two maybe games played for Jake Berger one

694
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: p fifty or around that. How does he maybe project

695
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: in a full season?

696
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: Ah, the compo I made ahead of the broadcast tonight

697
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 5: was Mike Mustakis, and I don't know if he's played

698
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 5: enough games to merit similarity scores, Baseball Reference keeps track

699
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: of that. But when you talk about power and lack

700
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 5: of on base I think Burger possesses a lot more

701
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 5: power than Mike Mustakas. So I believe Mustakas hit thirty

702
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 5: nine home runs in the season for Kansas City Ones,

703
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 5: then I think you're going to have that kind of player.

704
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 5: And that also factors in the fact that he doesn't

705
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 5: walk a lot, he doesn't play great defense, he's a

706
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 5: little faster, and you know, maybe if he especially in

707
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 5: these kind of like depressed restrictions on base stealing. Maybe

708
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: if they utilize that a little bit more, though I

709
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: don't see that being the case. He could add.

710
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: Another dimension to his game.

711
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 5: I mean, he does have he has one stolen basis here,

712
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 5: so it's nothing to wow at, and we've seen even

713
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 5: faster guys not be utilized on the bases. But I'm

714
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 5: thinking he's like a Mustaks type. He's like a you know,

715
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 5: in a good season, a three ten on base guy,

716
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 5: four fifty to four seventy slug. You know, his better

717
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 5: end maybe a five hundred slug, But a lot of

718
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 5: things have to go right for that to be the case.

719
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 5: I think you're gonna get, you know, one hundred fifty

720
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 5: to one hundred seventy five, maybe some years one hundred

721
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 5: and eighty strikeouts. But when you asia said, when you

722
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: have the power that he does, you kind of just

723
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 5: have to live with that. But I also think long

724
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 5: term two, he's probably more of a first baseman because

725
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 5: of his physical appearance. He's played a little second base. Obviously,

726
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 5: he's got DH time because as you guys noted, he

727
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 5: hasn't played a full season, so you kind of want

728
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 5: to keep him fresh. But if you want to keep

729
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 5: that power or bat in the lineup. So yeah, it's

730
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 5: it's it's power and strikeouts. As we already said, he's

731
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 5: going to do both of those quite a bit. But

732
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: if he's doing if he's hitting enough home runs, then

733
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 5: I think he'll somewhat justify it. The lack of discipline

734
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 5: that generally doesn't age well. I mean, we're seeing Trey

735
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 5: Turner in the first year of an eleven year deal

736
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 5: with and with the Phillies and then that he's a

737
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 5: totally different type of player, but he's aggressive to a

738
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 5: slightly similar, albeit a little bit better degree. Those things

739
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 5: don't tend to age well. But you know, I think

740
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 5: for right now, when you're not paying him a lot

741
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 5: of money, if he can mash for you, then you

742
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 5: know it's a semi low risk.

743
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, Eli, any final thoughts or any metrics you want

744
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 1: to go over with Jake Berger before we get into

745
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: this final acquisition.

746
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 4: From the deadline day, I did want to shout out

747
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 4: the red circle that people weren't expecting his sprint speed,

748
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 4: the fact that he is just in terms of raw

749
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 4: running speed, the top sprint speed measuring just the peak

750
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 4: of his sprint over one second interval, like he's well

751
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 4: above league average in that aspect despite his your expectations

752
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 4: based on his physical appearance and his baseball profile. He

753
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 4: doesn't use it to steal bases whatsoever. That's not part

754
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,760
Speaker 4: of his game. He does use it on other base

755
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: running situations. He is if you go by the Fancrafts

756
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 4: base running stat he is well above average in that

757
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 4: aspect as well. He is enough running speed that it

758
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 4: allows him to take extra bases on balls and play

759
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: and allows them to stay out of other outs on

760
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 4: the bases that other players would. So that is just

761
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 4: a tangible, tiny thing that he does, something that comes

762
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 4: into play in late game situation. Just give you an example.

763
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: We were stressing on a Wednesday night extra innings when

764
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 4: Jacob Stallings was the automatic runner on second, representing an

765
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 4: important run and the big dilemma about whether the Marlins

766
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 4: should leave their only catcher in the game because he

767
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 4: was so such a liability on the basis and someone

768
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 4: like Garrett Cooper was in that category as well, right

769
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 4: where you had to make difficult decisions late in games

770
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: because it was so bad at taking extra bases, and

771
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 4: Burger is an improvement in that aspect as well, so

772
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 4: at least while he is still in his twenties, he's

773
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 4: twenty seven. That is something he brings to the table

774
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 4: beyond the home runs, all right.

775
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: So I think I'm going to finish up with a

776
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 1: little Jake Berger talk, again not related to Noah Berger.

777
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: There home runs, strikeout and under team control for a

778
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: very long time. So this final acquisition from the Marlins

779
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: mate again right at the deadline, right at five point

780
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: fifty nine, that Marlins got it in for picture Ryan

781
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 1: Weathers of the San Diego Padres. And with this the

782
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: Marlins got Trey I think you mentioned their longest tenured

783
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 1: in Marlon and Garrett Cooper of six seasons and Sean

784
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: Reynolds relief pitching prospect that Kevin and Alex Carver are

785
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 1: infatuated with, with his tradition from a hitting prospect to

786
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: a pitching prospect with Ryan Rederd, Weather's only twenty three

787
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: years old, so again he is very young. He's gone

788
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: a free agent till twenty twenty eight. Has really struggled

789
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: since coming up to the majors. But when you look

790
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 1: at his profile and maybe with scouts and other people

791
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: are saying he kind of came, They kind of brought

792
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: him up early in his career. They didn't really give

793
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: him enough time to develop, only coming up at age

794
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: twenty one, so they could have used a little bit

795
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 1: more seasoning on Ryan Weathers in the minors. That's really

796
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: where he spent most of his time in twenty twenty two.

797
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 1: Had a really good first half in twenty twenty one.

798
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: This season, not so much. Six to twenty five ERA

799
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 1: and forty four innings fifth eight sou towards Fipp playing

800
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: a little bit better than what his era says son

801
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: of a Marlins inaugural player at David Weathers in nineteen

802
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: ninety three, Lewis, give us a little bit about Ryan

803
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: Weathers profile as a player and maybe fits roch or

804
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: even as a long reliever. I don't think a lot

805
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: of the Marlins fans predicted that Ryan Weathers would be

806
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: the starting pitcher that they would have acquired and who

807
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: they traded him for. But tell us a little bit

808
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: about mister Weathers.

809
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, so obviously you met you preface that his dad pitched.

810
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 5: He actually fun factor the first pitch in spring training

811
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety three for.

812
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 3: The Marlins as well.

813
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 5: So that's a fun little uh popsicle stick fact that

814
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,360
Speaker 5: you guys can kind of tell people when.

815
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: You're in question. You know. The giving up Armstrong was tough.

816
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 5: I know Eli had been big on him too, because

817
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 5: he was a converted two way player like Dane Myers.

818
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 3: He just kind of went the other way.

819
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: Snold Sean Reynolds Armstrong.

820
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 5: I'm thinking, yeah, another picture to Shawn's but converted, you know,

821
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 5: could but anyway, you know, converted to pitching. He was

822
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 5: called up at one point earlier in the season and

823
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 5: then he kind of just never got a chance to

824
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 5: peer in a game, though I kind of wish you did.

825
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 5: But as for Weathers, I think if you assess the trade,

826
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 5: Cooper is a free agent at seasons and I doubt

827
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 5: he's going to get a qualifying offer because he has,

828
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 5: like I talked about with Bell being more durable, Cooper

829
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 5: has never been durable enough to maybe even and produce

830
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 5: enough to merit that kind of deal. Maybe if he

831
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 5: had a full season of production like that, that would

832
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 5: make a little bit more sense. But to you know,

833
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 5: if you were just going one to one and you

834
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 5: got Weathers for Cooper, given the amount of control that

835
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 5: he has, it's a win for the Marlins and it'd

836
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 5: be a short term win for the podcast is because

837
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,319
Speaker 5: obviously they're gonna get a good big leagu kidder for

838
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 5: however long he's there. That being said, though his some

839
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 5: of his stat cast metrics are so ugly, Like I mean,

840
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 5: he's a he doesn't throw that hard and he doesn't

841
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 5: miss any bats, and that's the very that's a very

842
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 5: bad thing, especially considering the fact that you know, his

843
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 5: control isn't horrendous, but I don't know, like it's in

844
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 5: this day and age, like swing and miss is kind

845
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 5: of what you need, you know, Like, I don't think

846
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 5: he's gonna even if he were to succumb to being

847
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 5: a reliever.

848
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: He's not Richard Blier. He's not gonna.

849
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 5: Get away with you know, throwing load him in nineties

850
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 5: and not punching guys out like those kind of relievers are.

851
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 5: They're just not in fashion right now. There's very few

852
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 5: of those guys that even in recent years before that

853
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 5: was the case that we're able to get by without

854
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 5: putting punching out a lot of guys. The benefit of

855
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 5: acquiring him, to be despite the club in condunction with

856
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 5: the control is he does have minor league options, So

857
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 5: if he were to theoretically be called up and struggle,

858
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 5: you know, like you can you still have some chances

859
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 5: to kind of send him back the miners and hope

860
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 5: that he gets things right.

861
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 3: That being said, though.

862
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 5: It's just like I don't know, like he's encouraging, like

863
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 5: he he like he You're hoping that maybe you can

864
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 5: get something out of him, But what he's shown at

865
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 5: the big league level so far has been nothing that

866
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: you know, excites you beyond. Maybe you know, his heart

867
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 5: hit rate is okay, He's about an average picture when

868
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 5: it comes to controlling walks, But I don't know, like

869
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 5: he like you look at his savat page and you're

870
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 5: just like, you know, like why why did we acquire

871
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 5: this guy? But you know, stranger things have happened. He

872
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 5: could develop, But as of right now, I mean, I

873
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 5: don't even know like what kind of role he occupying

874
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 5: the current roster because they're fighting for the playoffs. Like

875
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 5: the way I see Ryan Weathers is you know, because

876
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 5: you don't really know what you have in him. Say

877
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 5: the Martins, you know, struggle the last in the next

878
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 5: twenty games or so when they played themselves out of

879
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 5: a playoff race. He's maybe a guy that you can

880
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 5: audition for next year if they're out of it. But

881
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 5: he's one of those guys that you know his spring

882
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 5: training will be if they're not in contention later this season,

883
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 5: but right now, which is like, I don't even know

884
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 5: what role he would occupy on this team.

885
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 4: Name I need to clarify something there is his stuff

886
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 4: is pure stuff, is excitable to me. It doesn't really

887
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 4: pop on here. But his fastball v low in the

888
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 4: majors this year is averaged ninety five and in the

889
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 4: minors recently, his last couple of starts before being traded,

890
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 4: he was averaging closer to ninety six on his fastballs

891
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 4: over the course of six seven ending starts from the

892
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 4: left side, which is it's very rare. Outside of jesusil Zardo,

893
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: there are not a ton of starting pitchers, even in

894
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 4: the majors that can do that. So he hasn't done

895
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 4: that over the course of the full season. In fact,

896
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 4: even just as recently as last year, as Elo was

897
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 4: a little bit more run of the mill. But the

898
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 4: arm talents is there and the changeup is seemingly there too.

899
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,160
Speaker 4: It's the lack of a third pitch that has really

900
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 4: held him back. So he throws a sweeper these days,

901
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 4: and it's that it doesn't really he hasn't been able

902
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 4: to put together the full pitch mix. As Daniel I

903
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 4: think mentioned up top, he was rushed to the majors

904
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 4: quite a bit. You look at the regular season stets

905
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 4: to go back to twenty twenty one. He debuted in

906
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,800
Speaker 4: twenty twenty. He debuted in the playoffs for the Padres

907
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,400
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty pitch just one game during that playoff

908
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 4: run in relief. He was rushed, and I think that

909
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 4: put his development in a wrong spot. The reason why

910
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 4: he was rush in the first place is because he

911
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 4: was a very highly regarded prospect. And I'm not the

912
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 4: first one to bring this up. The very vague similarities

913
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: that he has to where Hastiss Lozardo was at this

914
00:47:11,080 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 4: time just two years ago, where he had the prospect pedgree.

915
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 4: He's still so young, He's seemingly fully healthy at the

916
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 4: time of his acquisition. It's just that his stuff is

917
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 4: not being utilized in a way that is having any success.

918
00:47:25,320 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 4: It is baffling that somebody with his ability is unable

919
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 4: to get chases, unable to get k's that the fact

920
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 4: that he is so far down on the wrong end

921
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 4: of the spectrum in that category is really confusing, and

922
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 4: there are some guys that just they don't quite figure

923
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 4: it out or they don't like figure it out consistently.

924
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,320
Speaker 4: But there are others, like Lizardo being a good example,

925
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 4: who over the course, when these gets in front of

926
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 4: the right person, specifically Melstadtermeier Junior, and then he gets

927
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 4: an off season to really analyze that stuff and work

928
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 4: with particular adjustments in minds that could come back and

929
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 4: take a huge leap pretty suddenly. What is annoying, I

930
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 4: should say, one thing that is just disappointing about this

931
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 4: deadline is that they didn't make any effort to improve

932
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 4: their immediate starting rotation situation. Even Kim Ang speaking after

933
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: this move, she was very She didn't try to sugarcoat it.

934
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: She didn't try to sell him as an immediate rotation plug,

935
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:30,399
Speaker 4: and simply somebody that was depth in that situation anticipating

936
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 4: perhaps more injuries before the end of the year. He

937
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 4: is somebody that she thought would be all right to

938
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 4: make a spot start for this team when they needs it.

939
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 4: This team really needed a ready, right now starting pitcher

940
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:47,279
Speaker 4: to help keep things together. In considering those injuries are

941
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 4: probably inevitable over the course of a two month span,

942
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 4: and so they didn't do that, And I think it's

943
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 4: putting unfair pressure on somebody like Weathers, who at this

944
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: moment really should be in TRIPAA to figure stuff out

945
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 4: at the moment and should not be put in that

946
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 4: position to make spot starts for a team that's gunning

947
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 4: for a playoff spot. Considering how far away he is

948
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 4: from being successful in what has now been several other

949
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 4: previous opportunities, he needs time to to really address. You know,

950
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 4: why it is that hitters are able to make such

951
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: hard contact against him? Well, I should say limiting harm

952
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 4: contact isn't really the issue, but the fact that in

953
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 4: select situations, why he's so vulnerable to balls put in

954
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 4: play in general, and the occasional home run with him. So, yeah,

955
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 4: that is what was confusing to me about this whole

956
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 4: deadline as a whole. Even though I think all these

957
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 4: guys are interesting for different reasons. I do have some

958
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: long term hope for Ryan Weathers. Let's not. Yeah, I

959
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 4: wouldn't put any immediate expectations on him for the rest

960
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty three because he has a lot of

961
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: work to do to, yeah, figure out how these pieces

962
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 4: fit together. There's any way you look at it. It

963
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 4: just it hasn't worked for him at the big leagues

964
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 4: at this point.

965
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Lewis, any final thoughts on Weathers and maybe

966
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: how you would project him for the Marlins looking like

967
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: someone who'll probably be in Triple A now and maybe

968
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: some of his Triple A stats to look at from

969
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,640
Speaker 1: this season and maybe the prior seasons again to be

970
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 1: taken with a crane a grain of salt. Is because

971
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: the league he's playing in such hit or friendly, so

972
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: maybe some of those stats are just a bit inflated

973
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: just because of where he's at in Triple A. But Lewis,

974
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: how is do you see Weathers maybe fitting in to

975
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: this system, this rotation, and maybe do you personally, I

976
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 1: know we talked, just talked about do you see him

977
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: more as a long reliever or or maybe again a

978
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: back end starter.

979
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: I think right now, as I stated, I think if

980
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 5: down the stretch and you kind of hope this is

981
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 5: the case, though maybe for his development it would be

982
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:05,240
Speaker 5: best he gets the chance to start. That being said, now,

983
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 5: given he's largely improven, I think the Potters have done

984
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 5: a very poor job with his development and rushing him

985
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 5: up when they did. So, yeah, like he kind of

986
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 5: just for now, I think for the betterment of the Marlins,

987
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 5: maybe short and long term you keep him in the

988
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 5: minor league so he can continue to fine tune.

989
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 3: I believe the sweeper is what.

990
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 5: He swapped the slider for out last year, so you

991
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 5: need to allow him to work on that pitch. And

992
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 5: some of the early returns on that pitch are okay.

993
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 5: I mean the expected slugging is slightly lower than what

994
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 5: the actual slugging is. But he, you know, if he

995
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 5: could kind of just further develop a third pitch, because

996
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 5: he really you know, there's only you know, for every

997
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 5: Spencer Strider, there's one hundred other guys who try to

998
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 5: start with two pitches and it doesn't get done. I

999
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 5: think he just needs to, you know, spend the rest

1000
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 5: of the year to you know, fine tune things. Is

1001
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 5: really all it is. He right now, he's not somebody

1002
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 5: that I think makes them better. But I think long term,

1003
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 5: should he figure things out, whatever role that's in, I

1004
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 5: think he will be. He could be an asset. And

1005
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 5: he looks just like Steven Ogret, so I mean, like

1006
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 5: you can maybe fools some guys we had the Marlins

1007
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,879
Speaker 5: have their own Mike trout Hunter Renfro combination going on there.

1008
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,200
Speaker 5: But yeah, statistically speaking, he and from a team buil

1009
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 5: league perspective twenty twenty three in the midst of a

1010
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,520
Speaker 5: playoff race, he's not somebody that I see being a

1011
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 5: core piece to what.

1012
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:39,280
Speaker 3: They do now.

1013
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 5: Long term maybe, but twenty twenty three, no, I still

1014
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 5: think he's got a lot to do before he can

1015
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 5: take that next step at the big league lebel.

1016
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh again, you mentioned our Mike trout Hunter and

1017
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: for it's Steven Oker, it's a younger brother. Oh and

1018
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Weathers again lefty who knows. Maybe they need to

1019
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,839
Speaker 1: spend some time together see if it can help out

1020
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: the young Weathers. Eli final thoughts on Weathers and maybe

1021
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,440
Speaker 1: these we could go and bunch all these three guys together.

1022
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 4: I think this is a team that has put They

1023
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 4: recognize that making the postseason would really make a substantial

1024
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 4: difference for them moving forward, and the money that they

1025
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 4: have now committed for beyond this year really isn't all

1026
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: that overwhelming. When it comes to Bell and when it

1027
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 4: comes to Jake Berger still pre arbitration eligible, the fact

1028
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 4: that they unloaded Scura in the process and that they

1029
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 4: still have a lot of big questions to answer long term,

1030
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 4: especially at the up the middle defensive positions, and they're

1031
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 4: they're hoping to kind of patchwork their way through that

1032
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 4: the rest of this year at shortstop, at center field,

1033
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: at catcher. Yeah, it's an interesting team that but I

1034
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 4: think one that this year is going to be one

1035
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: of their better chances to make the playoffs. Things have

1036
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 4: aligned in such a way that they are close enough

1037
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 4: in the conversation that they just need a few more

1038
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 4: things to go their way the rest of this year

1039
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: in order to sneak in for the first time in

1040
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 4: a full length season in twenty years, and that would

1041
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 4: just make such a world of difference in terms of

1042
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 4: the morale of the entire organization, and maybe that would

1043
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 4: embolden Bruce Sherman to continue expanding payroll. Yeah, ultimately, that

1044
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,840
Speaker 4: is we talk about the numbers behind the Marlins, and

1045
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 4: we've seen evidence and other aspects of other teams that

1046
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 4: they spend as much as they want and it doesn't

1047
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 4: really get them very far. Now, this is a Marlins

1048
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 4: team where I feel like just spending a little bit

1049
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,279
Speaker 4: more money and continuing to like inch towards the league

1050
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 4: average in terms of payroll that helped them actually complete

1051
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,399
Speaker 4: this team. Yeah for the moment, still somewhat of an

1052
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 4: incomplete team, still one that needs to squeeze out a

1053
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 4: lot of close games. But yeah, I gotta put a

1054
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 4: whole lot of faith in this one run magic to

1055
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 4: continue the rest of the year. And they have a

1056
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 4: roster now that has enough power, has an improved bullpen.

1057
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 4: Before the deadline, they made enough moves that way that

1058
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 4: we think will translate down the stretch. Yeah, there's a

1059
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 4: path to keeping this going for the final two months.

1060
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're gonna leave off on that wonderful note

1061
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: by Eli for myself, Daniel for Lewis, out Alis for Eli, Susman.

1062
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,160
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1063
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:38,600
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1064
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