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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds. And Ron DeSantis has signed a bill

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Speaker 1: ending permanent alimony. We're back from vacation. Did you have

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Speaker 1: a great vacation. We did not really do anything, but

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Speaker 1: we had a great vacation and we have a fabulous

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Speaker 1: show for you today. Christina Ramirez, president of Next Gen America,

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Speaker 1: talks to us about young voters so important in the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four election. Then we'll talk to the Enigma

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Speaker 1: of Clarence Thomas author Corey Robbin about the latest.

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Speaker 2: Fuckory in the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: But first we have the host of the Enemy's List,

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Speaker 1: the one, the Only fan.

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Speaker 2: Favorite, the Lincoln Projects, Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, too, Fast Politics, fan favorite, personal friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: the one the Only Rick Wilson.

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Speaker 3: Mollie John Fast, How are you on this fine Sunday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Now, look, it's a weekend of a little bit of fuckery,

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Speaker 1: a little bit of craziness, some fucker Republican candidates pretending

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Speaker 1: everything is fine, and this is just saying it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Molly, what's the problem. What's the problem? What do you mean.

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Speaker 2: Normally there's only seventy one cal.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's twice impeached, he's twice indicted federally, state level.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, he's just a normal Republican candidate

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Speaker 1: and he might not even get the nomination. Right.

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Speaker 3: But Molly, but Molly, you're ignoring the national crisis. Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden wore a pair of swim trunks with turtles on them.

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Speaker 2: Any wore sneakers with tiny socks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure you're not paying attention to the crisis

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Speaker 3: this has caused around the world because beachwear gate, Because

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Speaker 3: beachwear gate is clearly it clearly says so much about

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Speaker 3: America right now. Obviously it's a sign that he's trying

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Speaker 3: to show solidarity with the global forces of cookery.

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Speaker 2: Here's the problem with beachwear.

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Speaker 1: Gate, aside from all the others, besides for how stupid

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Speaker 1: this is. I mean, he was on the beach. He

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Speaker 1: was not wearing a shirt. I guess that's the problem.

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Speaker 1: Biden was on the beach in Delaware. There were the

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Speaker 1: RNC posted the picture and said, Joe Biden has taken

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Speaker 1: seven thousand vacation days or whatever, thirty four of me whatever,

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Speaker 1: the numbers were.

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Speaker 2: But here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: He I mean, unless something enormous happens, he will be

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Speaker 1: running against a guy who basically lived in Palm Beach

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Speaker 3: Yes, the vacation day's argument does not work.

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Speaker 2: Are you sure.

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Speaker 3: I hate to disappoint all the Trump world political geniuses,

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Speaker 3: and by political geniuses, I mean fucking morons, but this

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Speaker 3: is not an argument that is going to work for y'all.

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Speaker 3: It does not work. I'm sorry. I know that most

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Speaker 3: of you are basically windows licking people who you like

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Speaker 3: to have your gruels served served at room temperature. But

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Speaker 3: it doesn't work. This is not going to solve your

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Speaker 3: political problem that you're that you're that your candidate is

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Speaker 3: a goddamn weird Palm Beach fifty percent of the time

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Speaker 2: Course crimes, who and who does crimes?

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Speaker 3: And I'm sorry, call me crazy, But the other thing

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Speaker 3: Skanda this week was then some more on lifting any

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Speaker 3: bitty bag of cocaine somewhere in the visitor center of

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Speaker 3: the White House. And I'm like, oh yeah, come on,

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Speaker 3: as I said to somebody, it's like, oh, it was

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Speaker 3: about Laura Trump. Laura was like, I'm like, listen, what

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Speaker 3: did you think that Don Junior just had bad pollen allergies?

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Speaker 3: Get the fuck out of here.

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Speaker 1: Well, I want to talk about the cocaine cocaine Gate.

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Speaker 1: Cocaine found in the West Wing in area where people tour.

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Speaker 1: I was there a couple of weeks ago. It's not mine,

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Speaker 1: I'm yours.

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Speaker 2: I was nineteen.

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Speaker 1: I know you, but I do want to say it's

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Speaker 1: not Joe Biden's. We can say we know it's not

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden's. I'm sorry, but there are many There have

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Speaker 1: been many presidents in my lifetime where we could not

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying I.

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Speaker 3: Will tell you this. I think there's a zero percent

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Speaker 1: I'm not accusing anyone, but I'm just saying that, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is a president where we know he doesn't drink,

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Speaker 2: If nothing else we have.

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Speaker 3: That, Yeah, I mean I'm sure that I'm sure the big,

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Speaker 1: And I think, I mean, I think, look, B twelve

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Speaker 1: back to this. Another thing that happened this weekend was

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Speaker 3: Know him, meet a Ron Ronda Sanchez.

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Speaker 1: Ronda sanctimonious, as Jason Miller calls him in playbooks.

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Speaker 2: This weekend has just been skirting along the skidding.

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Speaker 1: Along the bottom I have I'm making by the way,

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Speaker 1: for those of you because this is an audio podcast

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Speaker 1: want a video component? Send CHESSI canon messages on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You can find his instagram. It just takes a little

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Speaker 1: So we're skidding along the bottom here, Ron DeSantis, he says,

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Speaker 1: in fact, he you know, he gives a mainstream media quote.

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Speaker 1: He you know, he avoids the mainstream media because he

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Speaker 1: hates the liberal media.

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Speaker 3: That's a narrative, Molly, That's just a narrative. Yes, he says,

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Speaker 3: that's an every time he gets any kind of question

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Speaker 2: But also it does happen to be a narrative, that

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Speaker 3: Some narratives happen to true, Ron, that's right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think this is a narrative, and it's

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Speaker 2: a narrative for a reason, because it's what's happening.

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Speaker 3: Right. A narrative is a description of the events as

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Speaker 3: they occur. Ron, perhaps this is what's occurring. You're getting

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Speaker 3: your shit handed to you because as a candidate, you

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Speaker 3: are a like one hundred hitter. You are a bad candidate.

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Speaker 2: God, he's a bad candidate.

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Speaker 1: Thank God he's a bad candidate, because he's a very

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Speaker 3: The interesting thing in Florida, I'll give your audience a

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Speaker 1: Dish, Yes, give us some Florida gop dish, since you

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Speaker 1: know a lot of Florida geopick.

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Speaker 3: I was with a bunch of lobbyists last night in

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Speaker 2: Again again the night before and.

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Speaker 3: The night before, but last night, and it's interesting because

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Speaker 3: Ron DeSantis bet the entire house, and everybody wanted to

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Speaker 3: stay safe from his budget. Veto's right because in lord

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Speaker 3: And DeSantis went ahead and did that to anybody who

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Speaker 3: wasn't he wasn't like his little bitch boys. Well, here's

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Speaker 3: the thing. This the political climate. You knowing, Nothing turns

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Speaker 3: also hearing out in the rest of the country, not

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Speaker 3: just in Florida. So, by the way, what'll happen is

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Speaker 3: I would like my donations from Disney to come back,

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Speaker 3: you know. And a lot of these guys get a

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Speaker 3: to tell your audience one more time. Ron Desanta has

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Speaker 3: just signed a bill. If you want to talk about

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Speaker 3: once again, he signed a bill to allow the phosphate

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Speaker 2: I mean, think about what's going to happen to your alligators.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean those some bitches are going to get

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is it's like a mad Max radioactive

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Speaker 1: Right, I want to pull on a thread here and

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Speaker 3: And when Tucker's numbers started to tank, it wasn't just

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Speaker 3: events and news. The fact that he deliberately algorithmically elevated

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Speaker 2: Really getting peak Rick, we are right.

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Speaker 3: Now because I am on my shit. If you gave

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Speaker 2: Yes, that must be a fun experience. Have you had

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Speaker 3: Ever, you know, Molly, I have been on both ends

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Speaker 3: It's a dangerous phone call because if you don't turn

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Speaker 1: Pack, the guy that Puck News made famous for some

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Speaker 3: Spent one hundred million dollars of donor money last year

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Speaker 3: My understanding is that Casey DeSantis's reaction to that was

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Speaker 1: Rick Wilson is, will you please come back very soon?

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Speaker 1: You know, I will Christina Ramirez as president at next

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Speaker 1: Gen America.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Fast Politics. Christina, thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: Can you explain to us what next Jane is?

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Speaker 4: So, next Gen America is the country's largest youth organization.

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Speaker 4: In the last presidential race in twenty twenty, we help

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Speaker 2: So explain to me what that looks like. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So, we organize young people anywhere and everywhere we can,

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Speaker 4: During COVID, when everything went virtual, there was a huge

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Speaker 4: Where are they meeting? And so we knew that they

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Speaker 4: Because we can search again by age, if we want

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Speaker 4: young people identify as voted for progressive candidates. We are

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Speaker 4: an explicitly progressive organization, so our volunteers will have real

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Speaker 4: life conversations in dating apps, telling young people about what

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Speaker 4: their voting plans are, making sure they're ready to vote. No,

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Speaker 4: we're not trying to catfish anyone. No one shows up

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Speaker 4: to their first DAID in surprise it's a location or anything.

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Speaker 4: But we will talk to people about issues that they

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Speaker 4: care about and just make sure that they're ready to

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Speaker 4: vote in the upcoming elections.

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Speaker 1: Explain to me a little bit about what you are

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Speaker 1: going to do in twenty four and what that's going

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Speaker 1: to look like.

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Speaker 4: I think everybody knows this is going to be a huge,

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Speaker 4: huge election. Our organization has been around for ten years.

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Speaker 4: We were started a decade ago with the premise that

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Speaker 4: if we could organize young people to scale, we could

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Speaker 4: take on one of the biggest challenges that our country faces,

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Speaker 4: which is the climate crisis. And I'll tell you ten

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Speaker 4: years ago, most political strategists thought it was a waste

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Speaker 4: of time and money to focus on young people. And

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Speaker 4: it's ten years later, We've had three consecutive elections with

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Speaker 4: historic youth voter turnout, and we want to keep up

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Speaker 4: that momentum. At next Gen America, we endorsed Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris, and we endorse them because no administration

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Speaker 4: has done more to deliver on progressive policy change. When

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Speaker 4: they were talking about climate change, student debt, gun safety reform,

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Speaker 4: gay marriage, and the list goes on. That is why

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Speaker 4: we endorse this administration so early, because for us, it's

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Speaker 4: not enough about a party or any single one politician.

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Speaker 4: It really comes down to policy that helps make young

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Speaker 4: people's lives better. So we're going to be doing everything

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Speaker 4: we can to talk to and connect to young people

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Speaker 4: to make sure they know what's at stake this election

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Speaker 4: and help millions of them. We'll be contacting ten point

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Speaker 4: five million young people roughly across nine states to try

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Speaker 4: and turn them out this election.

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because it's like we've seen a

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Speaker 1: lot of people on the right. They know that young people,

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Speaker 1: they are Democrats, they do not respond to this sort

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Speaker 1: of Republican oligarchy, and you're seeing like real beginnings of

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Speaker 1: anxiety when it comes to conservatives.

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like this is a theory you.

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Speaker 1: Guys have had for a while, but it's only recently

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Speaker 1: that that young people have really kind of delivered. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think that is.

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Speaker 4: Well, there's several It is true Republicans are now reaching

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Speaker 4: fever pitch about young voters because they are voting so

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Speaker 4: overwhelmingly for Democrats, and that is not historically the case.

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Speaker 4: Up until about two thousand and four, Republicans and Democrats

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Speaker 4: pretty evenly split the youth vote. And today you see

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Speaker 4: that young people you count Gen Z and millennials, they

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Speaker 4: are now the largest voting block and they are clearly

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Speaker 4: repulsed by the Republican Party. And the Republican Party has

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Speaker 4: a few choices. They can change their policies to answer

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Speaker 4: to a very progressive generation. Of course they're not doing that. Instead,

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Speaker 4: they're going full throttle on policies to further exclude a

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Speaker 4: very young queer, a very diverse generation, and also make

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Speaker 4: it much harder for them to vote. But like I said,

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Speaker 4: our organization has been around for ten years. There have

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Speaker 4: been other projects, but there's been very little investment from

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Speaker 4: progressives or conservatives into young voters, and so it's taken time.

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Speaker 4: In some of the states that we're in, we've seen

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Speaker 4: the youth vote share increase over six years, eight years,

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Speaker 4: some clients ten years. Because this is electorate where a

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Speaker 4: lot of candidates and campaigns are not going to put

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Speaker 4: the money and time into talking to young voters because

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Speaker 4: they are new or infrequent voters. And so what we've

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Speaker 4: been able to prove in a place like Pennsylvania where

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Speaker 4: we've been for since twenty sixteen is if you invest

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Speaker 4: and start registering and engaging young voters early, that over

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Speaker 4: time they will turn out that It's not a question.

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Speaker 4: This is not young people are not apathetic. This is

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Speaker 4: actually the most civically engaged generation in American history. It's

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Speaker 4: about putting time and money into young people and then

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Speaker 4: again delivering on progressive policy because that is ultimately what

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Speaker 4: young people care about. They are voting overwhelmingly for Democrats,

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Speaker 4: but a huge percentage of them actually see themselves as independents,

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Speaker 4: even though how they vote is not necessarily the case.

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Speaker 1: So basically, you're saying, if you treat young people the

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Speaker 1: way you treat other voters, right, if you they'll behave

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Speaker 1: the way other voters behave.

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Speaker 4: Right. If you spend time and money engaging with young people,

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Speaker 4: guess what they turn out? And there's a whole lot

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Speaker 4: of young voters. Like I said, there's seventy million young

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Speaker 4: eligible voters from when Biden and Harris took the presidency

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty. By twenty twenty four, there will be

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Speaker 4: seventeen million young people that will have turned eighteen in

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Speaker 4: that time period. That is a huge number of young

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Speaker 4: people that have become eligible to vote just in this

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Speaker 4: short time period.

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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that the pundit industrial complex is

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Speaker 1: quite passionate about is this idea that even though Biden's

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Speaker 1: been this wildly successful president and he's achieved a lot

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Speaker 1: of progressive victories and infrastructure and this, and that people.

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Speaker 2: Think he's too old. What do you think about that?

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Speaker 4: You know, there's several things. One I think for young people,

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Speaker 4: we get asked this question all the time, and I

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Speaker 4: like to remind political pundits that it is true that

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, Joe Biden was not the candidate of

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Speaker 4: young voters, but it was the guy that was actually

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Speaker 4: even older than him that was the candidate, which was

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Speaker 4: Bernie Sanders. So it really had nothing to do with agent,

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Speaker 4: had everything to do with progressive policy. And what drives

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Speaker 4: me crazy about the political pundit class that talks about

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden's age is that they often forget to mention

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Speaker 4: Trump's age. I mean, he is no spring chicken himself.

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Speaker 4: And to me, honestly, it wouldn't matter if Donald Trump,

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Speaker 4: and I think the a lot of young people understand

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Speaker 4: this too, if Donald Trump was fifty years younger than

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Speaker 4: Joe Biden, because his policies feel straight out of the

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Speaker 4: nineteen fifties. That whether you are talking about women's rights, abortion,

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Speaker 4: LGBTQ equality, climate change, gun safety, legislation, race in America,

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Speaker 4: on any single issue, it is day and night between

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Speaker 4: the two candidates. And we don't want to go backwards.

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Speaker 4: Young people do not want to go backwards. We want

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Speaker 4: to go forward, and there is only one candidate on

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Speaker 4: the ticket in the Democratic Party that wants to do that.

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Speaker 1: One of the things we're seeing conservatives do is try

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're pretty convinced that Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is going to be the GOP candidate, and I think

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Speaker 1: they're pretty worried. One of the things we're seeing is

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Speaker 1: they're trying to prop up third party candidate. It's like

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Speaker 1: RFK Junior. I mean, do you think that young people

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Speaker 1: that that kind of anti vacs, anti science stuff speaks

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Speaker 1: to young people.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 4: I don't the number rate when we talk about young people.

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Speaker 4: Young people are not a monoliths, but like, what are

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Speaker 4: the key patterns? Right? Young people overwhelmingly vote for Democrats.

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Speaker 4: You know, depending on the race or state, you're talking

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Speaker 4: at least like sixty two to sometimes even like seventy

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Speaker 4: five percent of the young people in certain races have

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Speaker 4: been voting for Democrats. That's how John Fetterman got elected

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Speaker 4: and flipped that seat in the Senate. That's how we

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Speaker 4: were able to protect Warnock seat, and Georgia and Senator

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Speaker 4: Cortez Matsto and Nevada. Young voters really came through the idea, right,

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Speaker 4: is that they can shave off margins with third party candidates.

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Speaker 4: I think the other thing is that where I do

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Speaker 4: think Democrats worry me is that one they may not

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Speaker 4: invest in young people because they're going to be an afterthought.

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Speaker 4: They know they need them, but they also still have

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Speaker 4: long held beliefs about young people that are untrue, right,

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Speaker 4: that young people don't turn out that they're not reliable.

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Speaker 4: Or also as young people get older, they get more

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Speaker 4: conservative anyway, which is actually the data saying is not true,

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Speaker 4: especially for older millennials. And then I think we have

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Speaker 4: to really take seriously, even more so than the third

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Speaker 4: party candidates, is voter suppression that will be targeted at

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Speaker 4: young people. I am very worried about local county election

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Speaker 4: administrators in Republican places where there are big colleges all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden when they announce where they're going to

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Speaker 4: have polling locations in twenty twenty four before the election,

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Speaker 4: and there's going to be a bunch of countings that

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Speaker 4: no longer have those college polling locations available. And that

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Speaker 4: is very diffuse. It's very difficult to attack through litigation

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Speaker 4: and fight back against and so we're going to have

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Speaker 4: to have a whole strategy as progressives about what we

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Speaker 4: do and how we do rapid response, not if that happens,

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Speaker 4: but when that happens.

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Speaker 1: Right it makes sense. I want to ask you, what

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Speaker 1: are the things that kind of keep you up at.

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Speaker 4: Night at next gen? We have always so we don't

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Speaker 4: put our hope in any single one politician or party.

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Speaker 4: We put our hope in America's young people. But it

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Speaker 4: very very much keeps me up and worries me. One

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Speaker 4: how Republicans and the far right will attack young voters' power. Two,

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Speaker 4: that we have made big progress on climate change, the

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Speaker 4: most existential crisis of our time, and that if Republicans

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Speaker 4: gain power, they will roll back the gains we have made.

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Speaker 4: We need to continue to make gains, not be fighting

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Speaker 4: to hold on to what little we've gained. And the

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Speaker 4: last part is that we've also seen what they have

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Speaker 4: done long term. The fact that you know this coming

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Speaker 4: week is the year a year to the date when

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Speaker 4: we saw the reversal and overturning of Roe v. Wade,

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Speaker 4: an abortion access limited to tens of millions of peace people,

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Speaker 4: and going back fifty years overnight, they can continue to

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Speaker 4: do that on many issues, and so I think this

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Speaker 4: is a very pissed off generation as well. They should be.

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Speaker 4: They're exercising their power. But it worries me that how

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Speaker 4: far Republicans will go to limit that power, and also

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Speaker 4: how sleepy sometimes Democrats may remain to invest in that power.

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Speaker 1: When you're sort of looking on the horizon, what states

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Speaker 1: do you feel like Democrats could sort of change a

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Speaker 1: narrative in.

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Speaker 4: There has been big shifts right Like we look at Georgia,

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Speaker 4: we look at Arizona. Arizona very young state. A lot

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Speaker 4: of what changed Arizona, which I don't think it's told enough,

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Speaker 4: and the narrative is especially a lot of young Latinos

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Speaker 4: organizing in that state, building that electorate over time. And

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Speaker 4: then the big battleground states we know will prove in

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. We know we need to be in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: we know we need to be in Arizona, Georgia, in Wisconsin, Nevada,

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Speaker 4: But also where can we shift the map long term?

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Speaker 4: Had we gone back six years ago and said to

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Speaker 4: Democratic political strategists that Georgia was going to be at

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Speaker 4: Bellweather and be able to determine the outcome of the

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Speaker 4: rest of the country for the Senate, for the presidency,

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Speaker 4: people would have laughed at that and not shifted because

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Speaker 4: of people like Stacy Abrams of nze Ufut who did

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Speaker 4: the hard work of registering and organizing voters that most

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Speaker 4: people ignored. So you know, I also live in my

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Speaker 4: home state of Texas, where it's the third youngest state

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Speaker 4: in the country. One in three eligible voters is under

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Speaker 4: the age of thirty. It's also one of the most

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Speaker 4: diverse places we have to be willing to make long

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Speaker 4: term investments in changing states and understand that demographics are

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Speaker 4: not destiny. They're simply a core ingredient and the recipe

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Speaker 4: for change.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Texas is a pipe dream for Democrats

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Speaker 2: one percent?

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Speaker 4: I do not think that. I think it's a big

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Speaker 4: state and it's a big prize and that Republicans know

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Speaker 4: they need to hang on to it. Again, That's why

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Speaker 4: I say demographics are not destiny. But like in Texas,

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Speaker 4: half of the people turning eighteen are Latino. If you

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Speaker 4: talk about and then if you look at the fact

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Speaker 4: that only Utah and Alaska are younger, and that you

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Speaker 4: have hundreds of thousands of people moving into the state

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Speaker 4: from more progressive states California, for example, there are big

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Speaker 4: shifts happening, but you have to make investment in those demographics.

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Speaker 4: And so there has been a lot one and shifted

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Speaker 4: in Texas. But I think where we fail on the

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Speaker 4: left as we expect things to change overnight, and we

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Speaker 4: also don't often invest in the exact communities we need

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Speaker 4: to change. Especially you know, when you talk about the

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Speaker 4: Latino population, which is critical to changing Texas, the fact

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Speaker 4: that you know, our most common age for white Americans

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Speaker 4: is age fifty five in the United States. For African

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Speaker 4: Americans it's twenty seven. For Latinos it's age eleven. So

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Speaker 4: if you want to change Texas, you have to invest

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Speaker 4: in young people of color. And guess which voters are

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Speaker 4: the ones that Democrats and all candidates invest the least

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Speaker 4: in young people of color.

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Speaker 2: I'm so interesting.

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Speaker 1: And what would you say to people who say that,

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Speaker 1: like the Tino vote, Democrats are having trouble with the

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Speaker 1: Latino vote.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think about you know in my state, especially

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Speaker 4: in South Texas gets pointed to in Florida.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 4: The Latino vote is not monolith it. People ask me

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Speaker 4: all the time, you know in Texas our Latinos Republicans

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Speaker 4: or Democrats, And I say, we're neither.

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Speaker 5: We're poor.

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Speaker 4: And who comes and speaks to our pain and what

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Speaker 4: we face and our pain will win our vote. So

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Speaker 4: in the Valley you have counties we're during the Democratic

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Speaker 4: primary long term held by Democrats. Bernie Sanders won those

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Speaker 4: counties hands down during the twenty twenty Democratic primary because

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Speaker 4: he spent a lot of time and my he's talking

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Speaker 4: about fifteen dollars an hour supporting unions, making sure there

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Speaker 4: was access to higher education for everyone, basic bread and

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Speaker 4: butter issues to make people's lives better. And then you

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Speaker 4: had Trump come in and win because Trump put in money.

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Speaker 4: I think you can see it as there is still

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Speaker 4: Latinos are overwhelmingly Democratic, but there's a portion of the

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Speaker 4: Latino vote for up that's up for grabs. I don't

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Speaker 4: necessarily think that's a bad thing. I think that that

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Speaker 4: means Democrats have to do a better job, and that

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Speaker 4: they have to lead with strong economic populist messaging. Because

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Speaker 4: most Latinos make under are the ethnic group that are

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Speaker 4: least likely to make more than fifteen dollars an hour,

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Speaker 4: are the least likely to have healthcare, the least likely

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Speaker 4: to go to college. So speak to that pain and

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Speaker 4: you will win the Latino vote.

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Speaker 1: You know, we have this very tight labor market. We

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Speaker 1: have children working in factories. We have Republicans trying to

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Speaker 1: ease child labor laws so that they can have children

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Speaker 1: working in factories. Are you surprised that there isn't more

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Speaker 1: interest in a path to citizenship?

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Speaker 4: So I spent my first job. I spent a decade

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Speaker 4: across Texas organizing mostly undocumented construction workers, and I spent

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Speaker 4: years believing. I remember participating in the two thousand and

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Speaker 4: six mega marches, and for people that don't remember, those

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Speaker 4: were up until the uprisings that happened around Black Lives Matter,

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Speaker 4: those were the largest marches that had happened in US history.

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Speaker 4: And strikes of day long strikes by millions of undocumented

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Speaker 4: workers striking, and I believed when I was young that

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Speaker 4: with so many people striking and so many people mobilizing,

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Speaker 4: that of course there would have to be action. And

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Speaker 4: instead we saw Republican states, local municipalities, and even some

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Speaker 4: Democrats go after the immigrant community and pass really draconian policy.

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Speaker 4: It's in the economic best interest of this country to

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Speaker 4: create a pathway citizenship, but it is not in the

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Speaker 4: best interest of big business to do so. I saw

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Speaker 4: from ten years of organizing undocumented construction workers, who were

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Speaker 4: often not paid for their work, who were often left

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Speaker 4: injured on the job, that the status quo was good

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Speaker 4: for business. It wasn't good for American born workers, it

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Speaker 4: wasn't good for immigrants. But you know who benefited were

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Speaker 4: the largest construction companies in my home state, the largest

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Speaker 4: contributor to the Republican Party. Also happened to be the

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Speaker 4: largest employer of undocumented labor, which was the construction industry.

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Speaker 4: So I think we have to remember why we are

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Speaker 4: where we are. But there's still a lot more organizing

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Speaker 4: we have to do, and that's why building political power

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Speaker 4: is ultimately I think, how we will win citizenship because

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Speaker 4: the economic reality that benefits big business, whether we're talking

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Speaker 4: about in agriculture, construction, housekeeping, or in these factories where

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Speaker 4: young people are being employed, children being employed to do

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Speaker 4: adults jobs.

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Speaker 1: Corey Robin is a professor of political science at Brooklyn

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Speaker 1: College and author of the Enigma of Clarence Thomas. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Fast Politics.

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Speaker 5: Corey Rabin, nice to be here.

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Speaker 1: So wanted to talk to you about the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: because that's really it's Supreme Court season, right it is.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a silly season.

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Speaker 1: It used to not be that the Supreme Court would

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Speaker 1: just dump all of their controversial opinions and go on vacation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, it's become an annual thing and the way to

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Speaker 5: kick off the summer. It's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about your favorite and mine.

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Speaker 1: Is it favorite? I think favorite is the wrong word.

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Speaker 1: He's actually the longest serving justice.

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Speaker 3: He is.

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Speaker 5: People don't realize how young he was when he was

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Speaker 5: appointed to the court.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about one Clarence Thomas. I actually do because

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Speaker 1: when Clarence Thomas was going through the Anita Hill hearings,

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Speaker 1: my grandfather was still alive, Howard Fast and she was

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Speaker 1: not quite a Communist anymore, but both he and my

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Speaker 1: mother were quite enraged with Justice Thomas as a pick,

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Speaker 1: especially because of how young he was.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know now he's going to be in

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Speaker 5: a few years, he will be the longest serving justice

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Speaker 5: in American history.

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Speaker 1: So it's a little ironic because he's the worst talk

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Speaker 1: to me about his incredible scandal. I feel like scandal

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Speaker 1: is like not the right word because it's kind of

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Speaker 1: an understatement, like what scandal plus plus plus.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, as everybody knows now, he's been getting

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Speaker 5: these extraordinary gifts, most from Harlan Crow's or real estate

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Speaker 5: tycoon out of Texas, not declaring them, and living, you know,

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Speaker 5: a pretty fancy life. But I honestly, I think the

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Speaker 5: bigger scandal is that Thomas, pretty much in his court

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Speaker 5: opinions going back to the nineties, laid out a roadmap

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Speaker 5: for how and why wealthy people should have access to

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Speaker 5: public officials and justified this. And you know, I'm hoping

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Speaker 5: that coming out of this is not only that you know,

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Speaker 5: these ethics rules get enforced and all the rest of it,

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Speaker 5: but people take a closer look at what Thomas has

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Speaker 5: basically been telling us since he joined the Court, which

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Speaker 5: is what that wealthy people have a kind of access

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Speaker 5: to public officials that ordinary citizens don't. And not only

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Speaker 5: do they have that access, but they should have that access,

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Speaker 5: and to try to limit them from having that access

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Speaker 5: is to go against the rules of basic democracy. That

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Speaker 5: has been Thomason's opinion when it comes to campaign finance,

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Speaker 5: and it's it's a kind of an extraordinary opinion because

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Speaker 5: it basically sets out the rules of the road for

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Speaker 5: living in an oligarchy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: I was on television with someone really dumb and they

810
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Speaker 1: were like, what we should do is pay each of

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court justice is a million dollars And I

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Speaker 1: was like, that's really fucking stupid. But it stuck with

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Speaker 1: me because it was so stupid.

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Speaker 5: But you know, in a way though, it's it tells

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Speaker 5: you that you know the kind of sums that we're

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Speaker 5: talking about here, that this is the way people think

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Speaker 5: that you can protect, you know, from an oligarchies that

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Speaker 5: requires a minimum of a million dollar you know, salary

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Speaker 5: for a public official. That's how bad things have gotten.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: First of all, the idea that it's so hard to

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Speaker 1: find people who will serve on the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: And thus you have to pay them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many parts of this idea

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Speaker 1: that is stupid, right, Yes, Like, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: you have a fucking federal society. His entire goal is

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Speaker 1: to just groom great numbers of young conservatives to be

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Speaker 1: on that said court. So what are the sort of

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Speaker 1: consequences of Clarence Thomas's relationship with Harlan Crowe and what

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Speaker 1: it's opened.

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Speaker 2: The door to.

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Speaker 5: I think the real problem here is not the actual

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Speaker 5: relationship between him and Crow. It really is the right

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Speaker 5: word turn of the court. I mean you just talked

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Speaker 5: to you just now about the Federalist Society. Whether these

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Speaker 5: people are you know, getting payoffs or not, they are

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Speaker 5: dedicated to pushing the court in this direction where the

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Speaker 5: rules of the road, you know, are such that you know,

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Speaker 5: men of tremendous wealth have a kind of access and

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Speaker 5: you know that ordinary citizens don't. And I think that's

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Speaker 5: really the biggest problem here. I mean, we could talk

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Speaker 5: till we're blue in the face about ethics reforms and

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Speaker 5: all the rest of it, and it should happen. None

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Speaker 5: of that will undo that pipeline that the Federalist society

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Speaker 5: has created. None of that will undo that, and that's

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Speaker 5: what we're living with and I think really need to

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Speaker 5: focus on.

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Speaker 2: And there is no liberal answer to the federalist society.

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Speaker 5: No, no. I mean, historically we've had reactionary Supreme courts

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Speaker 5: throughout American history that it's not new, but they've never

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Speaker 5: been undone by a kind of a liberal version of

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Speaker 5: the federalist society. It's always been overwhelmingly popular social movements,

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Speaker 5: you know, really cataclysmic social conflicts that have been able

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Speaker 5: to undo the work of a reactionary court. So I

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Speaker 5: think to try to come up with some counterparts of

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Speaker 5: the federalist society. Liberals and Democrats have been trying to

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Speaker 5: play that game for quite some time. Let's come up

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Speaker 5: with a version of Fox News. Let's come up with

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Speaker 5: a version of X. Whatever X is on the right.

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Speaker 5: That's not how you're really going to undo this work

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Speaker 5: that the right has been able to do.

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Speaker 1: Right, let's talk a little bit about this idea of

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Speaker 1: Republicans trying to cement minority rule.

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Speaker 5: Yes, the first thing to remember is that the constitution

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Speaker 5: and liberals, I think have a hard time remembering this

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Speaker 5: because they have a view of the Constitution that's derived

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Speaker 5: from the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties when you

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Speaker 5: had all kinds of civil rights reforms happening and so forth.

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Speaker 5: But the truth is is that the Constitution already privileges minorities.

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Speaker 5: And by minorities, I don't mean racial and ethnic, gender

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Speaker 5: or sexual minorities. I mean wealthy minorities, people of great

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Speaker 5: property and great wealth. That's baked into the design of

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Speaker 5: the constitution. It's why we have things like the Senate,

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Speaker 5: the Electoral College, and all the rest of it. So

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Speaker 5: you were already starting from that, and the Republicans going

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Speaker 5: back to the nineteen sixties have really been slowly trying

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Speaker 5: to undo the progress of the New Deal and the

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Speaker 5: Great Society by things like turning more power back to

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Speaker 5: the states in terms of control over voting and really

880
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 5: creating a kind of a you know, demographic and balance

881
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Speaker 5: that allows for the Republican Party to rule despite the

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Speaker 5: fact that it doesn't command a majority of support and

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Speaker 5: things of that sort. And this has been going on.

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Speaker 5: You know, it goes back again, like I said, to

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Speaker 5: the nineteen sixties. You know, we think of a lot

886
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Speaker 5: of the voting you know, and election shenanigans is somehow

887
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 5: an innovation of Donald Trump, you know, and that's just

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Speaker 5: not the case. Under Richard Nixon, they started going after

889
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Speaker 5: voting rights. Under Ronald Reagan they did. And so this

890
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Speaker 5: has really been a long term project.

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Speaker 1: John Roberts has been working on messing with voting rights too.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I mean John Roberts, he came into the

893
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Speaker 5: Reagan administration. It was a young lawyer in the Justice Department.

894
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 5: He was almost, you know, the kingkin of the effort.

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Speaker 5: I mean, well, first, you know, in Congress, there was

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Speaker 5: an effort to reform the Voting Rights Act in nineteen

897
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Speaker 5: eighty two to make it more progressive, and the Republicans

898
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Speaker 5: really fought that effort quite a bit, and they lost

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Speaker 5: some of that. And so then comes in John Roberts

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Speaker 5: in the in the Justice Department, who starts issuing a

901
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Speaker 5: stream of memos interpreting the Voting Rights really cutting it back.

902
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Speaker 5: And you know, not to get too technical or wonky

903
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Speaker 5: about it, but the lynchpin of his effort was to

904
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Speaker 5: really gut what's called the Section five of the Voting

905
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Speaker 5: Rights Act, which is that whole preclearance where you know,

906
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Speaker 5: the Justice Department and the federal government could go in

907
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Speaker 5: advance and stop local white supremacist efforts. And from the

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Speaker 5: get go, John and Roberts saw this as something that

909
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Speaker 5: had to be undone, and he tried to do as

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Speaker 5: much as he could in the Reagan administration and finally

911
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Speaker 5: had full success once he became Chief Justice of the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court. So again a very long standing project just

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Speaker 5: sort of one other historical footnote to this, because again

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Speaker 5: I think people have a hard time thinking that any

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Speaker 5: of this proceeds Donald Trump. One of the first big

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Speaker 5: efforts to get the Voting Rights Act in Congress was

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Speaker 5: led by Gerald Ford in the House of Representatives. People

918
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Speaker 5: have a much work benign view it for it as

919
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Speaker 5: somehow part of this.

920
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Speaker 2: But they probably shouldn't.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, they should not.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing I always think about with Trump and

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Speaker 1: trump Ism is that Trump did a lot of this stuff.

924
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Speaker 2: Republicans were quietly doing.

925
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Speaker 5: Right, but he just did the much louder I would

926
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Speaker 5: put it even more strongly than that. He vocalized what

927
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Speaker 5: they were doing. He put it into words, And that's

928
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Speaker 5: really the innovation is is you know, he just put

929
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Speaker 5: into speech what had been done, as you say, quietly

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Speaker 5: in practice, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that was sort of Nixonian in a way.

932
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Speaker 1: But I do think of like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: Supreme Court stuff we're seeing now was Roberts trying to

934
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Speaker 1: quietly shift the country with the Court, and then all

935
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Speaker 1: of a sudden you had these trump petus justices come

936
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Speaker 1: in and be like, we don't need to be quiet

937
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Speaker 1: about it anymore.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, and so that's you know, come back to Clarence Thomas.

939
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Speaker 5: Thomas was somebody who was always saying the quiet part

940
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Speaker 5: out loud. Nobody ever paid attention to him because they

941
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Speaker 5: thought he was not very smart, or you know, they

942
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Speaker 5: thought he was you know, Scullya's puppet. But the truth

943
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Speaker 5: of the matter is he was always the avant garde

944
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Speaker 5: leading the avant garde in the court. It was an

945
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Speaker 5: avant garde of one. And now you know he's commanding

946
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Speaker 5: a majority, which is you know, truly frightening.

947
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is interesting now as we look at the

948
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Speaker 1: decisions that have come out so far. We had two

949
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Speaker 1: decisions that were sort of not as insane as a lot.

950
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Speaker 2: Of us worried. Tell me what your take on that is.

951
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Speaker 1: And we're talking about there's a voting Rights Act that

952
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Speaker 1: was a little bit you know, you can't just completely

953
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Speaker 1: racistly jerry mander a state and also you know, you

954
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: can't separate and for some reason, to baffling reason, Gorsach

955
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: is good on Native American rights but bad on all

956
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Speaker 1: other rights for all other people.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the course such thing is interesting and

958
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Speaker 5: I think was somewhat expected because, as you say, he's

959
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Speaker 5: had this, you know, reputation for quite some time of

960
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 5: leading you know, the charge on a Native American rights,

961
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Speaker 5: and has been quite good about that. The voting rights

962
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Speaker 5: decision was a genuine surprise. I mean I was shocked

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Speaker 5: by it because while Roberts also has one of these,

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Speaker 5: you know, he's a quieter Gendler reputation, when it comes

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Speaker 5: to voting rights. He has been absolutely ruthless and very clear.

966
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Speaker 5: As we said just a second ago, the fact that

967
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 5: he wrote this decision, it's not just the side that

968
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 5: he took, it's the language he used and the arguments

969
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 5: he deployed really were surprising. This is the justice you said,

970
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 5: if you want to stop discrimination on the basis of race,

971
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 5: you have to stop discriminating on the basis of race,

972
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Speaker 5: which he used against a desegregation effort. He's somebody who

973
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 5: has really been if we want to gut voting rights,

974
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Speaker 5: we want to stop affirmative action, all these things, we

975
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 5: have to adopt this formally color blind jurisprudence. And the

976
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 5: surprise of that decision is that he seemed to really

977
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 5: throw that out the window. You know that you can

978
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 5: take race into consideration. It wasn't just the society he took.

979
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 5: It was the way he took It was a genuine surprise.

980
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: What else are you sort of watching now?

981
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 5: You know, there's a bunch of economic stuff that will

982
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 5: be coming down next year. You know, one of the

983
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 5: things that really does seem to unite the Republicans on

984
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 5: the Court the Conservatives is chipping away at federal administrative agencies.

985
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 5: This stuff gets very technical and people get very bored

986
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 5: by it, but it really goes to the heart of

987
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,240
Speaker 5: what the New Deal was all about, which was creating

988
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 5: these federal agencies that could interpret their own rules and

989
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 5: have a certain degree of autonomy. And you know, one

990
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 5: of the ways that the Conservatives have really gone after

991
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 5: the New Deal is to say no, unless Congress dots

992
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 5: every I and crosses every te on some administrative policy,

993
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 5: these agencies can't do that. And they already the Court

994
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 5: already had a case like this involving the National Labor

995
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 5: Relations Board, which strangely Kagan and so Domayor joined the

996
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 5: Conservatives on. But we're going to see more of that

997
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 5: kind of stuff, and that, to me, I think is

998
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 5: one of the big things to be watching for.

999
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I hope you'll come.

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00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 5: Back, Thank you. I really enjoyed it.

1001
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 3: No moment fuck Do.

1002
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 2: You have a moment of fuckery, my friend, I.

1003
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 3: Do have a moment of fuckery. I always have a

1004
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 3: moment of fuckery.

1005
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:39,360
Speaker 2: Only one moment.

1006
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: My moment of fuckery this week, once again, I'm sorry

1007
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: to say, is going to come back down to Clarence

1008
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 3: Thomas again.

1009
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: Oh.

1010
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 3: Piece of the New York Times on Sunday reveals that

1011
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: Harlan Crow isn't the only sugar daddy, and the Clarence

1012
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: Thomas pantheon of billionaire sponsors, yes and enablers of a

1013
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: lifestyle to win the salary of a Supreme Court justice

1014
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 3: would not ordinarily allow. Look, it's not just Thomas's fault.

1015
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 3: He should know better, but it's also the Court and

1016
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 3: John Roberts and if they don't stop the bleeding on

1017
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 3: these stories and the recently stories are happening. Is not

1018
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 3: because liberals are out to good Clarence Thomas. It's because

1019
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:21,839
Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas is living a lifestyle with billionaire donors who

1020
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 3: are giving him tons of money and travel and goodies

1021
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,200
Speaker 3: and trips, and then having cases and issues come before

1022
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court. This is a moment of fuckery. I mean,

1023
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 3: this is a more serious MOMENTI fuckery than I normally

1024
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 3: will throw out. But I really believe that if we

1025
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 3: let the Supreme Court become tainted by this continued, obvious,

1026
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 3: painful corruption, that the outcomes will not be a sustained

1027
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,720
Speaker 3: trust in the Court at any level in the future.

1028
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: And we need that in this country. We need a

1029
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 3: court that people can trust again. And they're not going

1030
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 3: to trust it for a long while because of the

1031
00:53:58,080 --> 00:54:00,799
Speaker 3: current status of how the majority got out there. But

1032
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,959
Speaker 3: Clarence Thomas has been on the Court now for damn

1033
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 3: near thirty five years and should know better than to

1034
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 3: be on the take.

1035
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: That's a very good moment of fuckery, and I don't know.

1036
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: And more serious than the usual I'm sorry to say.

1037
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,919
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, the Supreme Court is fucked up, man.

1038
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: So my moment of fuckery comes from the Internet and

1039
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: the billionaire v billionaire so Elon bought Twitter for forty

1040
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: four billion dollars. Musk has been delighting and interacting with

1041
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: libs of TikTok and all the right wing accounts.

1042
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:37,080
Speaker 2: That are his favorite.

1043
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: Now all of a sudden, you know, because of this

1044
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: rate limit debacle. So during July fourth weekend for those

1045
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: of you who are not completely online all.

1046
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: The time and have actual lives and families.

1047
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: Elon Musk decided over July fourth weekend that he was

1048
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 1: going to rate limit how many posts you could read,

1049
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: and that this was going to solve datas which was

1050
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: the thing that was ruining Twitter. He always the thing

1051
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 1: I love about Elan is every like couple weeks he

1052
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: decides like, this is not making money, not because it's

1053
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: never really made money or made great gobs of money,

1054
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: but instead because of data scraping. So he limited the

1055
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,439
Speaker 1: amount of posts you could read, and it was called

1056
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: Great Limit. It turned out to be a debacle because

1057
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: it turns out that people don't want to only be

1058
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: able to read six hundred posts. During that time, Mark Zuckerberg,

1059
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 1: quietly waiting in the wings, decided that he would launch

1060
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: his new Twitter called Threads. This was a moment of

1061
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: fuck grate. Am I ruining for Mark Zuckerberg? No, Mark Zuckerberg,

1062
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm mean involved in genocides. Really unhelpful in many many ways,

1063
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: including the twenty sixteen election. Did a lot of bad stuff,

1064
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: but does have some content moderation, which is a stark

1065
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:03,120
Speaker 1: contrast from one Elon Musk, who has zero content moderation,

1066
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: and when you write to him for a comment, the

1067
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: press department at Twitter, which is now nobody, responds with

1068
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: a poop emoji. And for that, this billionaire the billionaire

1069
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: cage match is my moment of hockery.

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00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: I can't blame you on that one at all. You know,

1071
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: when you've got people defending Elon, like Cernovich and others,

1072
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 3: and they're all trying to get themselves into a lather

1073
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: about a hypothetical cage fight between these guys. I mean, look,

1074
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 3: Mark Zuckerberg signing up for Threads. We all knew what

1075
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 3: we were getting, which was, you know, the rape and pillars.

1076
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: He was stealing the rabig pillage of our privacy at

1077
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,000
Speaker 3: every level. But it's just like the degree to which

1078
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 3: Elon has psychotically driven Twitter off the cliff is. It's

1079
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 3: inexplicable to me as somebody who I generally think of

1080
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,360
Speaker 3: myself as having a fairly stable mental view of the universe.

1081
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 3: But the people around Elon, when we figure this all

1082
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 3: out in the end, the way they've influenced the sky

1083
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 3: and the crazies that got into him and gave him

1084
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,320
Speaker 3: the Maga mind virus. It's going to cost him billions

1085
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: of dollars to have new friends.

1086
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: Yes, Wow, thoughts, prayers, Thank you, Rick Wilson.

1087
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Speaker 3: Anytime you'all have a great evening.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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Speaker 1: every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday to hear the best minds

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Speaker 1: in politics makes sense of all this chaos. If you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed what you've heard, please send it to a friend

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Speaker 1: and keep the conversation going. And again, thanks for listening.