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Speaker 1: Pushkin Today Unbroken Record the One and only Bootsy Collins.

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Speaker 1: Bootsy first exploded onto the scene in the early seventies

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Speaker 1: as James Brown's young, electrifying bass player, but it was

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Speaker 1: with Parliament Funkadelic that Bootsy truly found his voice or voices,

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Speaker 1: balancing raw funk with a psychedelic, intergalactic persona that would

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Speaker 1: inspire everyone from Prince to Thundercat. In today's conversation, Bootsy

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Speaker 1: talks about learning to navigate life as both William Collins,

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Speaker 1: the introspective, spiritually grounded man from Cincinnati and Bootsy the

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Speaker 1: Ryanstone rimmed avatar of groove. He also reflects on his

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Speaker 1: writing partnership with George Clinton and keyboard wizard Bernie Warrel

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Speaker 1: and how the three of them cooked up some of

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Speaker 1: the most joyful and mind bending music in American history.

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Speaker 1: Even now, more than fifty years into his career, mains

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Speaker 1: on the vanguard, embracing new technology, collaborating with young artists,

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Speaker 1: and continuing to spread the one with his new record

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Speaker 1: album of the Year, Number one funk Teer. This is

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Speaker 1: Broken Record, real musicians, real conversations.

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Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with Bootsy Collins. So hopefully I can

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Speaker 2: answer hopefully.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I try not to, you know, I

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Speaker 1: try to have a more conversational stop so I trying

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Speaker 1: to have.

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Speaker 2: Notes with me with you. I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: too much. It's gonna it's gonna be flowing.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you keep track of your life, man,

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Speaker 1: Actually I don't.

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Speaker 2: It just happens, man, you know, I just let it go.

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Speaker 2: Just let it go, just let it go, let it flow. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, it's got to feel like one short blur, right,

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Speaker 1: not even long in a way, right, Like it's like.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, just you know, I got to the

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Speaker 2: point where it's just all about you know, just watching observing,

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Speaker 2: you know, because it's a lot of time in there

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Speaker 2: that you know has been passed. And the onlyess way

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Speaker 2: I can learn is just watch and observe and then

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Speaker 2: try things. You know, Otherwise, you know, you know, you're

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Speaker 2: not staying with the time. And I don't have to

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Speaker 2: try to stay with the time because I watch it,

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Speaker 2: you know, observe it and learn from it, you know,

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Speaker 2: not scared of it. Yeah, you know, because a lot

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Speaker 2: of people get get scared when they start getting up

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Speaker 2: in the age thing.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, you know, but when you were young, you

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Speaker 1: weren't even trying to know, trying to fit.

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Speaker 2: In invincible man. I mean when you were young.

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Speaker 1: Even, it was like you're looking for what's this one

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Speaker 1: doing or that one doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I know that it never ends, man, you know,

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Speaker 2: but come to find out, you know, it's sometimes to

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Speaker 2: do you know, that that kind of surge that you have,

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Speaker 2: it kind of ends and then you're like, what do

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Speaker 2: I do? Now? Wow? What what's what surge is that? Well,

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Speaker 2: it's that the young surge that we all have, you know,

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Speaker 2: coming up, and we always think that it'll always be that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you work with that and it's always going

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Speaker 2: to be that. Yeah, but it don't work out like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, you got you got a certain time. I

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Speaker 2: hope you recording that you got a certain time you

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Speaker 2: know to get through that one due to get through

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Speaker 2: that portal, you know, and if if you don't get

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Speaker 2: through it at that time, then you're a little more lost,

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Speaker 2: you know. I just happen to try to stay open

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Speaker 2: to what the universe is saying and what it's doing.

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Speaker 2: And the only reason I can watch and observe is

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Speaker 2: I know too, you know, to you know, to grab

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Speaker 2: hold of it and let it be yeah, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because you know if you don't let it do its thing,

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Speaker 2: it's gonna it's gonna come back to get you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, So that's what I try to do.

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Speaker 1: You know, how do you try to counteract the losing

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Speaker 1: the surge or not having that surge?

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Speaker 2: You don't, I mean, because you know you have to.

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Speaker 2: Well for me, I mean, most people try to stop

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Speaker 2: it and try to do this, that and the other,

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Speaker 2: but I know that don't work. Yeah. Yeah, It's like

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Speaker 2: it's gonna happen, and you know, you just try to

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Speaker 2: get prepared for it. You know, there's really no way

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Speaker 2: out for it and stay open minded. You know. It's

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Speaker 2: like playing piano was one thing, and then when the

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Speaker 2: this is what I play piano, Acoustic piano. It's beautiful,

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Speaker 2: a lot of people had problems with that. Bernie Warrell,

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Speaker 2: my way of living is in jeopardy now because you know,

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Speaker 2: if I don't jump on that, don't nobody know that

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Speaker 2: that's gonna work. I mean, this is a beginning, you know,

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Speaker 2: the acoustic has already been established, you know, so you

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Speaker 2: have to make your mind up to either be a

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Speaker 2: part of the future or stay with the past where

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Speaker 2: you used to. And we've always been blessed with both,

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Speaker 2: you know, the past and the future. And for me,

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Speaker 2: you know, that works best. If you can't accept what's

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Speaker 2: getting ready to change, and you know it's getting ready

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Speaker 2: to change, you know, then you're gonna get stuck. You know. Drummers,

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Speaker 2: drum machines start taking over gigs, you know. And then

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Speaker 2: It's like that kick draw man. You can feel. I

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Speaker 2: And so everybody wanted to change, you know, but drummers

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Speaker 2: you know. But a lot of them casts was like

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Speaker 2: be mad too. I'm like, you know, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: I play bass, I play guitar, I played drums, I

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Speaker 2: mean you know, and I also learned how to program

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Speaker 2: the new generation, the new era of musicians as well

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Speaker 2: trying to not try to change nobody's thinking. You know,

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I have a good rapport with everybody,

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Speaker 2: because I'm not trying to change nobody. You know. This

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Speaker 2: is just the way I came up, and it's the

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Speaker 2: way I got the you know. But you know, if

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Speaker 2: you see something you like, you're welcome to it. You know.

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Speaker 2: If you don't, I'm cool with it. You know.

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Speaker 1: Do you spend a lot of time listening to new

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Speaker 2: Every since day one? You know, Day one, I was

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Speaker 2: listening because I didn't have nothing in there, you know

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Speaker 2: I got to learn how to play, you know. But

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Speaker 2: my brother, Catfish, he was like playing guitar and he

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Speaker 2: was like eight years older than I. So I start

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Speaker 2: to want to be what he is, you know, And

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Speaker 2: that's what kicked my whole thing off, you know, not

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Speaker 2: having a father in the house, but having an older

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Speaker 2: heard he was a womanizer, alcohol all, you know, and

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Speaker 2: all that, which I could have been, you know, because

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Speaker 2: on the other hand, he was somebody that I admired.

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Speaker 2: You know. They had to close, you know, they had

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Speaker 2: to happen big, you know, and and so we just continue,

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Speaker 2: continue to continue, and getting involved with him and wanting

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Speaker 2: That was the dream. The only dream I had was

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Speaker 2: to be in a band to get my mother out

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Speaker 2: always sticks with you. And so I made up in

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Speaker 2: Mama is always first, you know, which was your mom

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Speaker 2: happy that you guys were into music or was it

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Speaker 2: kind of like she was happy, She was supportive, she

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Speaker 2: So I didn't have that. You know, I wouldn't push

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Speaker 1: A mother's more sometimes nurturing nature was beneficial for us.

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Speaker 2: And that's what that's what we needed. She gave us

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Speaker 2: just what we needed. She showed us without showing us,

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Speaker 2: you know, she would instead of just telling us, she

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Speaker 2: would more show us. So that's what I picked up.

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Speaker 2: Like when I got out in the world, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was like I knew the street you know, the

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Speaker 2: street talk, I knew the street language. But at the

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Speaker 2: same time, it was like, you know, give what you

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Speaker 2: can give, be who you are and show people instead

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Speaker 2: of telling them what to do. Be who you are,

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Speaker 2: you know. So I learned that early and Thank god

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Speaker 2: the one is the power of the one, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I grabbed onto it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you started to develop as a as a

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Speaker 1: as who you would becoming, as you started to become

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Speaker 1: more bootsy, and you come home and see your mom,

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Speaker 1: what was her reaction?

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Speaker 2: That's funny, Oh man, she watched me. She let me

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Speaker 2: get away with a lot, you know, but she had

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Speaker 2: to remind me one time when I came home that

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Speaker 2: I'm still William Collins, you know, and I had forgot

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Speaker 2: who that guy was. You know, when you get caught

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Speaker 2: up in that fame thing, you know, and it happens

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Speaker 1: You really didn't want to that when you know, I

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Speaker 2: Well, that's part of what helped turn into oh this

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Speaker 2: take that, you know, that approach of being a solo artist.

426
00:26:59,316 --> 00:27:01,996
Speaker 2: You know. But when I saw seeing all the good

427
00:27:02,076 --> 00:27:06,396
Speaker 2: parts that is going to benefits, you know, I was like, Okay, George,

428
00:27:06,716 --> 00:27:10,116
Speaker 2: you know I do it. So I cave in, you know,

429
00:27:10,436 --> 00:27:14,476
Speaker 2: and sure enough it turned out the way I was thinking,

430
00:27:15,116 --> 00:27:19,676
Speaker 2: you know, and you can call that stinking thinking, you know,

431
00:27:20,236 --> 00:27:23,196
Speaker 2: but that ain't what I wanted. You know. What I

432
00:27:23,236 --> 00:27:26,556
Speaker 2: wanted was to be with the band and make people

433
00:27:26,596 --> 00:27:31,916
Speaker 2: feel good about themselves, having fun. You know. Actually fun

434
00:27:32,076 --> 00:27:35,676
Speaker 2: had more to do with it than making money. You know,

435
00:27:36,596 --> 00:27:40,036
Speaker 2: when we got with James Brown, I thought we had

436
00:27:40,036 --> 00:27:44,836
Speaker 2: to pay him, you know, I mean that's how you know,

437
00:27:45,156 --> 00:27:48,796
Speaker 2: we just didn't know, you know, like the artists now

438
00:27:49,236 --> 00:27:53,116
Speaker 2: musicians now know about getting paid. You know, we were

439
00:27:53,236 --> 00:27:57,556
Speaker 2: just having a good time. We want to have fun.

440
00:27:57,796 --> 00:28:01,276
Speaker 2: You know. It wasn't about the era of making money

441
00:28:01,316 --> 00:28:03,836
Speaker 2: for us. You know, we just he snatched us off

442
00:28:03,876 --> 00:28:07,676
Speaker 2: the street. You know, we was riding having a great

443
00:28:07,716 --> 00:28:10,876
Speaker 2: time doing that. You know, and he snatched us off

444
00:28:10,916 --> 00:28:14,236
Speaker 2: the street. How did he find you? Well, we played

445
00:28:14,236 --> 00:28:18,916
Speaker 2: at King and King Records. That's the King fellow right there,

446
00:28:19,156 --> 00:28:24,756
Speaker 2: he's the head here guy King and and so that's

447
00:28:24,796 --> 00:28:29,156
Speaker 2: where we met James Brown. So that's a whole nother

448
00:28:29,276 --> 00:28:35,036
Speaker 2: long story. But Charles Berling brought us the King Records

449
00:28:35,076 --> 00:28:39,916
Speaker 2: because he thought that we were such an energetic you know,

450
00:28:40,076 --> 00:28:45,036
Speaker 2: rhythm section that you know, we could cut his records

451
00:28:45,116 --> 00:28:48,996
Speaker 2: and cut you know, different sessions for and we wound

452
00:28:49,116 --> 00:28:55,676
Speaker 2: up working with Hank Ballard Wow. Uh, Bill Doggett Uh,

453
00:28:56,596 --> 00:29:00,756
Speaker 2: I mean, what's what's my man's name? Henry Glover was

454
00:29:00,796 --> 00:29:05,236
Speaker 2: the first black producer you know of you know, not

455
00:29:05,516 --> 00:29:10,756
Speaker 2: just rhythm and blues, but you know folk music. He

456
00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:14,596
Speaker 2: was doing everything at King Records. Wow. And you know

457
00:29:15,156 --> 00:29:20,276
Speaker 2: his dad, ODIs Williams, was the head of Oldest Williams

458
00:29:20,276 --> 00:29:25,476
Speaker 2: and the Charms Wow nowhere Yeah. Yeah, and so you

459
00:29:25,516 --> 00:29:29,356
Speaker 2: know you never know, yeah, I mean you know, so

460
00:29:29,356 --> 00:29:32,236
Speaker 2: so you know all of that, you know, I was

461
00:29:32,316 --> 00:29:35,276
Speaker 2: growing into you know what those are?

462
00:29:35,316 --> 00:29:39,836
Speaker 1: Guys like like Hank Ballard and Bill Doggett are incredible Yeah,

463
00:29:40,676 --> 00:29:45,196
Speaker 1: musicians from bang Bood, incredible front man even Yeah, talks

464
00:29:45,196 --> 00:29:45,796
Speaker 1: about these days.

465
00:29:45,836 --> 00:29:47,956
Speaker 2: What was it like hanging around them? What were they like?

466
00:29:48,716 --> 00:29:55,476
Speaker 2: Man very encouraging because they were true musicians, I mean,

467
00:29:55,636 --> 00:30:00,076
Speaker 2: true to the bone, you know, and it was such

468
00:30:00,556 --> 00:30:03,436
Speaker 2: a pleasure to be around them. And they treat you

469
00:30:03,556 --> 00:30:09,556
Speaker 2: like regular people, you know, and so being around them

470
00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:13,796
Speaker 2: kind of help set myself up to I want to

471
00:30:13,836 --> 00:30:17,156
Speaker 2: be like that, you know. I want to be, you know,

472
00:30:17,356 --> 00:30:21,636
Speaker 2: like able Town. I'm down to earth where you know,

473
00:30:21,676 --> 00:30:25,156
Speaker 2: I might look crazy, you know, and I probably do.

474
00:30:25,636 --> 00:30:27,476
Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's like I want to

475
00:30:27,516 --> 00:30:29,716
Speaker 2: be able to. I want people to have fun with me,

476
00:30:30,396 --> 00:30:32,196
Speaker 2: you know, I want to I want them to chill,

477
00:30:32,516 --> 00:30:36,356
Speaker 2: have a good time, and and if they whatever they

478
00:30:36,396 --> 00:30:39,156
Speaker 2: want to say, say it, you know. And so I

479
00:30:39,196 --> 00:30:43,636
Speaker 2: try to carry that, you know, once once I start

480
00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:46,916
Speaker 2: picking up from them, you know, it's like we live

481
00:30:46,996 --> 00:30:50,836
Speaker 2: on their backs. And that's what I talk about. You know,

482
00:30:52,036 --> 00:30:54,196
Speaker 2: a lot of people want to put it all on me,

483
00:30:54,476 --> 00:30:57,396
Speaker 2: but I have to tell them, you know, you know,

484
00:30:57,516 --> 00:31:00,356
Speaker 2: I'm really not the one. You know. I worked at

485
00:31:00,676 --> 00:31:03,596
Speaker 2: being on the one, but I'm not. Well, I'm not

486
00:31:03,676 --> 00:31:06,636
Speaker 2: the one. The one is bigger than all of us,

487
00:31:07,036 --> 00:31:10,916
Speaker 2: you know, because it's all all of us collectively together.

488
00:31:11,156 --> 00:31:13,116
Speaker 1: Well, you know what's funny, It's like you're talking about

489
00:31:13,116 --> 00:31:18,356
Speaker 1: how James was almost like a father figure, and like

490
00:31:18,556 --> 00:31:20,916
Speaker 1: most father figures when you're when you're that age, you

491
00:31:20,956 --> 00:31:24,996
Speaker 1: kind of want to like buck buck against him. Yeah,

492
00:31:25,036 --> 00:31:28,436
Speaker 1: but his lesson about the one, oh all, seems to

493
00:31:28,436 --> 00:31:29,996
Speaker 1: have always really stuck with you boys.

494
00:31:30,676 --> 00:31:31,916
Speaker 2: Yeah, what was like?

495
00:31:32,116 --> 00:31:33,796
Speaker 1: And you then you even go and introduce that to

496
00:31:33,876 --> 00:31:35,876
Speaker 1: George and part of my funk delic in that because

497
00:31:36,156 --> 00:31:37,676
Speaker 1: so how did that stick?

498
00:31:38,676 --> 00:31:43,316
Speaker 2: That stuck because I was in it and I got

499
00:31:43,316 --> 00:31:47,796
Speaker 2: to see it work. You know, it wasn't just him talking,

500
00:31:48,636 --> 00:31:51,876
Speaker 2: you know about the one. It was when I put

501
00:31:51,916 --> 00:31:56,156
Speaker 2: it into effect in my music. That's when I found

502
00:31:56,196 --> 00:32:00,716
Speaker 2: out he ain't just rapping. You know, this is real

503
00:32:00,876 --> 00:32:03,756
Speaker 2: because soon as I start doing that because I played

504
00:32:03,756 --> 00:32:07,396
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, playing guitar, and I got

505
00:32:07,476 --> 00:32:11,356
Speaker 2: stuck on bass because my brother the play guitar and

506
00:32:11,396 --> 00:32:13,836
Speaker 2: he needed a bass player. So that's how I got

507
00:32:13,876 --> 00:32:18,036
Speaker 2: stuck on bass. And once that happened, you know, and

508
00:32:18,076 --> 00:32:21,356
Speaker 2: I'm with my brother, I'm happy. You know, I'm happy

509
00:32:21,396 --> 00:32:24,716
Speaker 2: because I don't care what I play, a flute, clarinet,

510
00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:28,156
Speaker 2: whatever with my brother, you know, that was the key.

511
00:32:28,716 --> 00:32:31,956
Speaker 2: And we just happened to get picked up over there

512
00:32:32,036 --> 00:32:35,756
Speaker 2: King Records, you know, because we was tearing it up.

513
00:32:35,836 --> 00:32:39,316
Speaker 2: We were street kids, and we wasn't letting nothing get

514
00:32:39,396 --> 00:32:42,796
Speaker 2: in the way nothing. I mean, oh you won't pay us,

515
00:32:42,876 --> 00:32:45,556
Speaker 2: Oh that ain't no problem, you know, let us put

516
00:32:45,636 --> 00:32:47,876
Speaker 2: let us put this funk down for you, you know.

517
00:32:48,036 --> 00:32:51,756
Speaker 2: And that was the attitude, you know. So but you

518
00:32:51,756 --> 00:32:54,236
Speaker 2: were playing, and it's true you were playing a guitar.

519
00:32:55,196 --> 00:32:55,676
Speaker 2: At first.

520
00:32:55,756 --> 00:32:58,236
Speaker 1: I learned rung like a bass, yeah, like a six

521
00:32:58,236 --> 00:33:00,636
Speaker 1: strings guitar, but with four bass strings.

522
00:33:00,756 --> 00:33:03,836
Speaker 2: Well I had to do that because my brother needed

523
00:33:04,156 --> 00:33:07,276
Speaker 2: a bass player, not a guitar player. And I just

524
00:33:07,396 --> 00:33:11,396
Speaker 2: asked him, can you get me four bass strings? He

525
00:33:11,476 --> 00:33:15,036
Speaker 2: got me four bass strings. And that night, you know,

526
00:33:15,316 --> 00:33:21,596
Speaker 2: was our first gig. And the place was, the place was,

527
00:33:21,996 --> 00:33:28,836
Speaker 2: let's see, it was about from here to the door,

528
00:33:29,236 --> 00:33:34,156
Speaker 2: the whole place, the whole place, you know, no stage.

529
00:33:34,356 --> 00:33:36,956
Speaker 2: We were standing on the floor and people were like

530
00:33:37,076 --> 00:33:41,596
Speaker 2: this in your faith and drunk as I don't you know,

531
00:33:42,156 --> 00:33:47,396
Speaker 2: And here I am. I'm like fifteen, fourteen fifteen, and

532
00:33:47,716 --> 00:33:50,796
Speaker 2: I got into place, you know, because of my brother.

533
00:33:51,436 --> 00:33:55,076
Speaker 2: You know, he's like eight years older than I, so

534
00:33:55,596 --> 00:33:59,116
Speaker 2: I get it in because, you know, because of him,

535
00:33:59,396 --> 00:34:02,556
Speaker 2: and people are just getting off because I'm so young,

536
00:34:03,356 --> 00:34:06,436
Speaker 2: you know, and I'm knowing, I'm knowing that they're getting

537
00:34:06,436 --> 00:34:10,116
Speaker 2: off because I'm young, but I'm also playing what they like,

538
00:34:10,876 --> 00:34:13,556
Speaker 2: you know. And so when I got with when we

539
00:34:13,596 --> 00:34:17,676
Speaker 2: all got with James Brown, he tightened us up and

540
00:34:17,756 --> 00:34:22,636
Speaker 2: told us about the one once. Once that happened, you know,

541
00:34:23,116 --> 00:34:26,396
Speaker 2: we all started knowing where the one was at, and

542
00:34:26,876 --> 00:34:31,316
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, you mean like this, and James said, yeah,

543
00:34:31,356 --> 00:34:33,876
Speaker 2: I'm glad, I'm glad I thought of it. You know.

544
00:34:34,036 --> 00:34:38,436
Speaker 2: So everything he thought of which was great, you know,

545
00:34:38,596 --> 00:34:42,116
Speaker 2: which at the time, you know, then, wasn't nobody telling us, man,

546
00:34:42,236 --> 00:34:44,876
Speaker 2: y'all should be you know, y'all should be doing this, y'all.

547
00:34:45,316 --> 00:34:48,796
Speaker 2: You know, when the rappers came out and started sampling,

548
00:34:50,076 --> 00:34:53,036
Speaker 2: everybody's telling me what I should be getting, you know,

549
00:34:54,036 --> 00:34:57,636
Speaker 2: you know, And if it had been that era instead

550
00:34:57,676 --> 00:34:59,516
Speaker 2: of the era I grew up in, they would have

551
00:34:59,556 --> 00:35:02,316
Speaker 2: been right. Yeah. But the era I grew up in was,

552
00:35:02,556 --> 00:35:08,436
Speaker 2: you know, we was what do you call working? What

553
00:35:08,436 --> 00:35:11,876
Speaker 2: do you call that? Uh? You know, we was kind

554
00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,916
Speaker 2: of like worked for hire. Oh yeah, freelance. Yeah, And

555
00:35:15,956 --> 00:35:19,396
Speaker 2: it wasn't about you know, you know, us getting paid.

556
00:35:19,436 --> 00:35:23,316
Speaker 2: It was about you mugs are here with James Brown,

557
00:35:23,556 --> 00:35:26,476
Speaker 2: and y'all better pay attention, you know. And that's what

558
00:35:26,516 --> 00:35:30,436
Speaker 2: we did. We paid attention. And if somebody paid us, cool,

559
00:35:30,556 --> 00:35:32,676
Speaker 2: If didn't, nobody pay us. We had a couple of

560
00:35:32,756 --> 00:35:35,436
Speaker 2: dollars to go get some wine. A couple of girls

561
00:35:35,436 --> 00:35:38,196
Speaker 2: in the backseat were good, were good.

562
00:35:38,076 --> 00:35:40,156
Speaker 1: And he had a way of for I guess for

563
00:35:40,276 --> 00:35:43,116
Speaker 1: people who don't understand the one, it's just a way

564
00:35:43,116 --> 00:35:47,476
Speaker 1: of organizing your playing where you're emphasizing.

565
00:35:46,956 --> 00:35:50,916
Speaker 2: You're emphasizing that one on every four you know, four bards.

566
00:35:51,756 --> 00:35:55,076
Speaker 2: And you know that's so true to this day. Even

567
00:35:55,116 --> 00:36:02,396
Speaker 2: the computers, you know, they they got it shows you

568
00:36:02,436 --> 00:36:06,196
Speaker 2: what the one is. That that's it. That's it, I mean,

569
00:36:06,276 --> 00:36:10,396
Speaker 2: And no computers worked like you know, they don't don't

570
00:36:10,396 --> 00:36:13,156
Speaker 2: work like that. They work like that, you know. And

571
00:36:13,236 --> 00:36:17,556
Speaker 2: for James to be told us about the one way

572
00:36:17,596 --> 00:36:21,596
Speaker 2: back in those years and then to this day, it's

573
00:36:21,676 --> 00:36:30,916
Speaker 2: it's still a give them a nye. I mean, it's

574
00:36:30,916 --> 00:36:33,996
Speaker 2: still there, you know. And once you start doing that,

575
00:36:34,596 --> 00:36:37,156
Speaker 2: you put the emphasis on that people feel that they

576
00:36:37,276 --> 00:36:40,916
Speaker 2: vibe off of that. You know, it's like a internal clock,

577
00:36:41,756 --> 00:36:44,916
Speaker 2: you know, it's the heartbeat of the world. You know.

578
00:36:45,236 --> 00:36:47,156
Speaker 1: So what about like when you go into play with

579
00:36:48,436 --> 00:36:50,796
Speaker 1: like you did a Herbie Hancock record with Sugar for

580
00:36:51,836 --> 00:36:57,436
Speaker 1: Bonner from Ohio players. Can you can you do that

581
00:36:57,516 --> 00:36:58,756
Speaker 1: on a on a Herbie record?

582
00:36:59,236 --> 00:37:02,556
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's all the same thing, but it's

583
00:37:02,596 --> 00:37:07,476
Speaker 2: in different measures, you know, different bars. You know. You

584
00:37:07,516 --> 00:37:11,196
Speaker 2: know they they got a one too, but you know,

585
00:37:11,356 --> 00:37:15,996
Speaker 2: them being jazz musicians, they got a certain count, you know.

586
00:37:16,116 --> 00:37:19,116
Speaker 2: But it all, if you know, it all comes back

587
00:37:19,156 --> 00:37:21,316
Speaker 2: to one. You know, they got they got to come

588
00:37:21,356 --> 00:37:23,996
Speaker 2: to the one too. Everybody got to come to the one.

589
00:37:24,116 --> 00:37:27,836
Speaker 2: I don't care what it is. You know, it's just

590
00:37:27,876 --> 00:37:32,116
Speaker 2: not four four, you know, it can be five, you know, five, seven,

591
00:37:32,436 --> 00:37:36,236
Speaker 2: you know, you know whatever whatever that is. But it

592
00:37:36,356 --> 00:37:39,076
Speaker 2: all has to come back to one.

593
00:37:39,476 --> 00:37:41,636
Speaker 1: And when you when when you're introducing this concept of

594
00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:44,916
Speaker 1: parliament funk dialect, this thing that James taught you would

595
00:37:44,916 --> 00:37:47,756
Speaker 1: it have been big Foot Bradley on drums at that

596
00:37:47,756 --> 00:37:49,716
Speaker 1: time or Tiki Fu was.

597
00:37:49,676 --> 00:37:51,516
Speaker 2: Both of them? Both of them were there? Yeah, Well

598
00:37:51,516 --> 00:37:58,036
Speaker 2: it was Tiki first, Tyrone and then Bigfoot. Yeah yeah,

599
00:37:58,516 --> 00:38:05,756
Speaker 2: and for me, I think bigfootre Braley brought home the

600
00:38:05,876 --> 00:38:10,756
Speaker 2: p funk. You know, Tiki brought home on the funkadelic side.

601
00:38:11,596 --> 00:38:17,716
Speaker 2: You know. Tyron Lapkin, he was just an all out

602
00:38:17,876 --> 00:38:21,756
Speaker 2: next level drummer, you know. I mean he made you

603
00:38:21,836 --> 00:38:25,716
Speaker 2: stop and like watch him. You know. You know, it

604
00:38:25,876 --> 00:38:29,836
Speaker 2: wasn't really about the one with him. You know, he'd

605
00:38:29,836 --> 00:38:33,396
Speaker 2: do it if you, you know, told him to, but

606
00:38:33,796 --> 00:38:36,316
Speaker 2: it was about he was like a jazz drummer. Yeah,

607
00:38:36,716 --> 00:38:39,036
Speaker 2: you know, he was all over the place, you know,

608
00:38:39,236 --> 00:38:43,956
Speaker 2: and he find his own one, you know, so you know,

609
00:38:43,996 --> 00:38:46,596
Speaker 2: which was cool because he always he always had to

610
00:38:46,596 --> 00:38:49,916
Speaker 2: come back. You know, I don't know what his count was,

611
00:38:50,476 --> 00:38:53,076
Speaker 2: but he knew what you know, he knew what it was.

612
00:38:53,116 --> 00:38:55,036
Speaker 2: And that's what matters. You guys.

613
00:38:55,156 --> 00:38:57,916
Speaker 1: You guys were playing that just completely different feels going.

614
00:38:57,956 --> 00:38:59,756
Speaker 1: But that would maybe be some of the magic is

615
00:38:59,956 --> 00:39:03,276
Speaker 1: that's what you're feeling one thing, he's feeling a different post.

616
00:39:03,036 --> 00:39:07,316
Speaker 2: And you are allowed to do it. You know, that

617
00:39:07,516 --> 00:39:12,116
Speaker 2: has a big emphasis on how you feel about doing

618
00:39:12,196 --> 00:39:15,156
Speaker 2: what you're doing, you know, because if you're not allowed

619
00:39:15,196 --> 00:39:19,276
Speaker 2: to do it, you know, then you feel like you're constricted.

620
00:39:19,356 --> 00:39:22,996
Speaker 2: You can't express you can't self express yourself, you know,

621
00:39:23,676 --> 00:39:27,596
Speaker 2: the way you want to. And in that era, it

622
00:39:27,676 --> 00:39:31,716
Speaker 2: was very important to express yourself, you know, just like

623
00:39:31,756 --> 00:39:34,956
Speaker 2: the record express yourself, you know, your boy I mean

624
00:39:35,036 --> 00:39:43,276
Speaker 2: The Boys was funky or the original exactly Charles Wright. Yes, yes, yeah,

625
00:39:43,476 --> 00:39:46,956
Speaker 2: so you know, and we had all of that that

626
00:39:47,036 --> 00:39:52,156
Speaker 2: we was growing up in and today, you know, it's

627
00:39:52,236 --> 00:39:56,116
Speaker 2: like where is that at? You know, I mean we

628
00:39:56,156 --> 00:39:59,036
Speaker 2: had we grew up in such a great musical era,

629
00:39:59,876 --> 00:40:02,876
Speaker 2: you know, to have all that around you, you know,

630
00:40:03,036 --> 00:40:05,836
Speaker 2: to absorb all of that and then wake up one

631
00:40:05,916 --> 00:40:09,236
Speaker 2: day and it's not there. You know, it's like, how

632
00:40:09,276 --> 00:40:11,996
Speaker 2: does that feel? You know, people like ask me, how

633
00:40:11,996 --> 00:40:15,556
Speaker 2: does that feel? You know? I had to learn, you know.

634
00:40:16,076 --> 00:40:19,316
Speaker 2: The good thing for me is learning while I'm on

635
00:40:19,396 --> 00:40:22,836
Speaker 2: the job. You know, I'm sure I'm learning, you know.

636
00:40:23,556 --> 00:40:26,876
Speaker 2: And when we got to this part here, it's like

637
00:40:27,676 --> 00:40:32,196
Speaker 2: I was kind of prepared, you know, to accept, Okay,

638
00:40:32,556 --> 00:40:35,276
Speaker 2: it's done change, you know, because I was in the

639
00:40:35,396 --> 00:40:38,796
Speaker 2: changing while it was changing. Yeah, you know, so I

640
00:40:38,836 --> 00:40:43,156
Speaker 2: got a chance to adjust. And most people that I'm

641
00:40:43,196 --> 00:40:48,116
Speaker 2: not gonna stop playing the acoustic. I'm not gonna you know,

642
00:40:48,316 --> 00:40:51,996
Speaker 2: play the electric. Yeah, but I love this acoustic you know.

643
00:40:52,636 --> 00:40:57,636
Speaker 2: That's how I observed it and was like, whatever comes in,

644
00:40:58,356 --> 00:41:00,796
Speaker 2: I'm gonna learn how to you know, or if I

645
00:41:00,796 --> 00:41:02,836
Speaker 2: can't do it, I'm getting somebody else to do it.

646
00:41:03,236 --> 00:41:03,436
Speaker 2: You know.

647
00:41:05,156 --> 00:41:07,036
Speaker 1: After the last break, we'll be back with the rest

648
00:41:07,076 --> 00:41:14,556
Speaker 1: of Bootsy Collins. Were you getting blowback then, like, because

649
00:41:14,716 --> 00:41:17,996
Speaker 1: you know you Larry Graham all right around that same time. Yeah,

650
00:41:18,036 --> 00:41:21,476
Speaker 1: really changing the nature of bass playing, you know, like

651
00:41:21,756 --> 00:41:24,716
Speaker 1: and really making it a different a different instrument.

652
00:41:25,196 --> 00:41:28,196
Speaker 2: You know. Well, I was so glad to be a

653
00:41:28,316 --> 00:41:32,076
Speaker 2: part of that, you know, you know, because it was

654
00:41:32,116 --> 00:41:36,316
Speaker 2: only a few of us, you know, and you know,

655
00:41:36,516 --> 00:41:42,276
Speaker 2: it's like James Jamison was the cat that really changed

656
00:41:42,316 --> 00:41:46,116
Speaker 2: my mind about bass playing, you know, because he had

657
00:41:46,396 --> 00:41:49,516
Speaker 2: he played with one finger. All of that stuff he

658
00:41:49,636 --> 00:41:54,396
Speaker 2: was playing, he used one finger, you know. Wow. Yeah,

659
00:41:54,436 --> 00:41:59,956
Speaker 2: and he I'm glad you mentioned that. He all those

660
00:42:00,036 --> 00:42:06,476
Speaker 2: hit records beforehand. He played upright, upright bass. He got

661
00:42:06,516 --> 00:42:11,676
Speaker 2: introduced to Defender P bass and he wanted to play

662
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:17,916
Speaker 2: the P bass. Motown said, now you know you can't

663
00:42:17,956 --> 00:42:20,236
Speaker 2: play that. You ain't made no money with you know,

664
00:42:20,356 --> 00:42:23,476
Speaker 2: playing that. So they didn't want to change, but he

665
00:42:23,556 --> 00:42:27,636
Speaker 2: said if you want me, I'm playing the p bass

666
00:42:28,116 --> 00:42:32,596
Speaker 2: and then all after all after that, you know, the

667
00:42:32,996 --> 00:42:37,436
Speaker 2: upright base, all the stuff after that. He made much

668
00:42:37,516 --> 00:42:41,236
Speaker 2: more money for them, And you know, he was a

669
00:42:41,276 --> 00:42:46,076
Speaker 2: perfect example to accept and embrace that change that we're

670
00:42:46,076 --> 00:42:50,396
Speaker 2: talking about right now that most musicians don't want to

671
00:42:50,636 --> 00:42:53,196
Speaker 2: don't want to deal with. You know, we're always gonna

672
00:42:53,236 --> 00:42:57,356
Speaker 2: run into that change that we don't want to change.

673
00:42:57,436 --> 00:43:01,316
Speaker 2: You know. It's like sampling. You know, it's like, you know,

674
00:43:01,756 --> 00:43:05,756
Speaker 2: oh man, God, the sampling. What we're gonna do? It's

675
00:43:05,796 --> 00:43:08,436
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like AI, what we're gonna do.

676
00:43:08,876 --> 00:43:10,876
Speaker 2: You know, they're coming in and they're coming to get us.

677
00:43:10,956 --> 00:43:13,756
Speaker 2: They coming, you know, take our gigs, you know, And

678
00:43:13,796 --> 00:43:17,596
Speaker 2: so it's the same thing, you know. So I'm getting

679
00:43:17,596 --> 00:43:20,636
Speaker 2: ready to face this along with the rest of the world.

680
00:43:21,396 --> 00:43:25,356
Speaker 2: But the only difference is I know it's coming, you know,

681
00:43:25,836 --> 00:43:29,356
Speaker 2: and we made it through the sampling era. You know,

682
00:43:29,996 --> 00:43:32,156
Speaker 2: we can make it through this one too, you know.

683
00:43:32,676 --> 00:43:35,956
Speaker 2: So you know, and I can't tell nobody how to

684
00:43:36,036 --> 00:43:38,076
Speaker 2: do it because I don't know. I didn't know how

685
00:43:38,076 --> 00:43:40,556
Speaker 2: to do the sampling though, you know, I didn't even

686
00:43:40,556 --> 00:43:43,996
Speaker 2: know that was coming, you know, until you in it.

687
00:43:44,756 --> 00:43:46,556
Speaker 2: You know, once you're in it, then you you know,

688
00:43:46,636 --> 00:43:49,356
Speaker 2: you have to try to figure out, you know, like, wow,

689
00:43:49,476 --> 00:43:53,596
Speaker 2: what do you do? You know? And so that's what

690
00:43:53,676 --> 00:43:56,796
Speaker 2: I have to say about the AI because because everybody's

691
00:43:56,836 --> 00:44:00,196
Speaker 2: talking asking me about that, you know, and you know,

692
00:44:00,756 --> 00:44:03,396
Speaker 2: we'll learn, We'll all learn how to deal with it,

693
00:44:03,596 --> 00:44:05,316
Speaker 2: you know, because it ain't no way you're gonna keep

694
00:44:05,356 --> 00:44:06,676
Speaker 2: it from coming. That.

695
00:44:06,676 --> 00:44:10,156
Speaker 1: That's sort of that sensibility of just have taken things

696
00:44:10,276 --> 00:44:12,116
Speaker 1: as they come and working with it.

697
00:44:12,476 --> 00:44:13,916
Speaker 2: I've heard you talk about.

698
00:44:15,116 --> 00:44:20,276
Speaker 1: Getting lost as a part of your creative process, and

699
00:44:21,316 --> 00:44:21,916
Speaker 1: that seems to.

700
00:44:21,876 --> 00:44:24,356
Speaker 2: Kind of fit with that. And that's like, well, we

701
00:44:24,436 --> 00:44:27,636
Speaker 2: don't know where it's going, but but we're going anyway.

702
00:44:27,676 --> 00:44:29,716
Speaker 2: We're going anywhere, you know, and there we go. That

703
00:44:29,876 --> 00:44:33,556
Speaker 2: was one of my whole sayings is I don't know

704
00:44:33,596 --> 00:44:38,276
Speaker 2: where I'm going, but I'm going. That's one of my

705
00:44:38,436 --> 00:44:44,396
Speaker 2: whole you know, it's like very short sentence, but you know,

706
00:44:44,556 --> 00:44:48,676
Speaker 2: I'm committed to that, you know, and people be hanging

707
00:44:48,716 --> 00:44:53,556
Speaker 2: their hopes on well, somebody tell us what to do. Hey,

708
00:44:53,596 --> 00:44:57,436
Speaker 2: I don't know where I'm going, but I'm going. You know,

709
00:44:57,556 --> 00:45:01,436
Speaker 2: that right there just tells you that you have to

710
00:45:01,476 --> 00:45:06,556
Speaker 2: prepare yourself because it's coming, whatever that it is, you know,

711
00:45:06,836 --> 00:45:11,316
Speaker 2: it's definitely coming, you know, and so you have to

712
00:45:11,356 --> 00:45:13,716
Speaker 2: try to prepare yourself the best you can. I'm glad

713
00:45:13,716 --> 00:45:16,676
Speaker 2: you're not running from it. And oh no, on the

714
00:45:17,276 --> 00:45:20,516
Speaker 2: only thing I'm scared of is flying. He hasn't asked

715
00:45:20,516 --> 00:45:23,036
Speaker 2: me about it because you pulled up in R and V.

716
00:45:24,036 --> 00:45:27,156
Speaker 2: When did the flying things start? Oh that's all enough,

717
00:45:27,516 --> 00:45:30,316
Speaker 2: that's all. When did that happened? Since you brought it up,

718
00:45:30,436 --> 00:45:34,236
Speaker 2: that happened? That happened in nineteen seventy nine. You know,

719
00:45:35,156 --> 00:45:39,556
Speaker 2: I wanted to fly on the the concord, you know,

720
00:45:39,716 --> 00:45:42,676
Speaker 2: when Meg for what.

721
00:45:42,836 --> 00:45:44,436
Speaker 1: You could get seed or.

722
00:45:46,516 --> 00:45:52,356
Speaker 2: Not light, speeding sound or whatever. That's it. That's it.

723
00:45:52,436 --> 00:45:54,556
Speaker 2: So I wanted to fly on it because you know,

724
00:45:54,756 --> 00:45:57,516
Speaker 2: it was our first time going to Europe, you know,

725
00:45:57,716 --> 00:46:01,516
Speaker 2: and me headlining. You know, it's like I don't you know,

726
00:46:01,716 --> 00:46:05,276
Speaker 2: just breaking off from Parliament Funkadelic and we getting ready

727
00:46:05,276 --> 00:46:09,796
Speaker 2: to go a headline in London and all England in Paris,

728
00:46:09,796 --> 00:46:13,076
Speaker 2: frank all that, you know, And and so I wants

729
00:46:13,116 --> 00:46:17,356
Speaker 2: to fly on the concord, and so I get to

730
00:46:17,356 --> 00:46:22,116
Speaker 2: fly on the concord you know, So forty five minutes

731
00:46:22,156 --> 00:46:26,876
Speaker 2: into the flight, you know, everybody's you know, you know, happy, beautiful,

732
00:46:27,756 --> 00:46:31,356
Speaker 2: And forty five minutes into the flight, the captain comes

733
00:46:31,396 --> 00:46:34,716
Speaker 2: on and says, you know, because I knew something was

734
00:46:34,756 --> 00:46:37,156
Speaker 2: wrong because the plane was you know, we was flying

735
00:46:37,276 --> 00:46:40,876
Speaker 2: like this, you know, and it's like, you know, and

736
00:46:40,956 --> 00:46:44,196
Speaker 2: I'm sitting there and I'm looking out the wonder and

737
00:46:44,236 --> 00:46:48,636
Speaker 2: then I saw fire shooting out the engine and I

738
00:46:48,716 --> 00:46:53,996
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like, im like, we just we just

739
00:46:54,116 --> 00:46:58,116
Speaker 2: made it, you know. And then not only that Jaws

740
00:46:58,476 --> 00:47:01,236
Speaker 2: was a big movie. Then it's like, okay, if you

741
00:47:01,396 --> 00:47:07,316
Speaker 2: make the crash right you falling in Jaw's territory, the

742
00:47:07,756 --> 00:47:11,716
Speaker 2: right Atlantic, all this come to me, I mean, you know,

743
00:47:12,516 --> 00:47:14,996
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, man, if I ever get on

744
00:47:14,996 --> 00:47:19,876
Speaker 2: the ground again, I would never ever fly, you know.

745
00:47:20,676 --> 00:47:24,796
Speaker 2: And sure enough I got. We made He turned the

746
00:47:24,836 --> 00:47:27,556
Speaker 2: plane around. You know, we were just getting ready to

747
00:47:27,556 --> 00:47:30,876
Speaker 2: cross the line, you know, but he turned the plane around,

748
00:47:31,476 --> 00:47:34,196
Speaker 2: and we was flying like this all the way back

749
00:47:34,236 --> 00:47:38,236
Speaker 2: to New York. Got back to New York. He landed

750
00:47:38,276 --> 00:47:40,796
Speaker 2: the plane some kind of way, I mean, told us

751
00:47:40,796 --> 00:47:42,596
Speaker 2: to put our heads down. You know. We went through

752
00:47:42,636 --> 00:47:48,036
Speaker 2: the whole drill the whole drill, you know, and the

753
00:47:48,676 --> 00:47:52,596
Speaker 2: tool was so big though that they talked me in

754
00:47:52,716 --> 00:47:55,676
Speaker 2: the you know, taking the next flight out, which was

755
00:47:55,716 --> 00:47:59,596
Speaker 2: a seven forty seven. Yeah, and then and then they

756
00:47:59,636 --> 00:48:03,876
Speaker 2: gave me some drugs to just sleep. I didn't wake

757
00:48:03,956 --> 00:48:06,676
Speaker 2: up until I got over there, so, you know. And

758
00:48:06,716 --> 00:48:11,356
Speaker 2: then when I got back, no more flying. That was it.

759
00:48:11,476 --> 00:48:16,076
Speaker 2: Nineteen seventy nine, Well that was it up until I

760
00:48:16,116 --> 00:48:17,796
Speaker 2: think it was more like two thousand.

761
00:48:18,356 --> 00:48:20,396
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad time to start back, I know,

762
00:48:20,916 --> 00:48:23,036
Speaker 1: I know, and I did it.

763
00:48:23,196 --> 00:48:26,756
Speaker 2: I did, and you know, I lost that fear until COVID.

764
00:48:26,796 --> 00:48:30,116
Speaker 2: Once COVID hit, you know, it was like, okay, I

765
00:48:30,116 --> 00:48:33,396
Speaker 2: got I can't fly no more. I can't. What happened

766
00:48:33,476 --> 00:48:37,116
Speaker 2: is how you watch Jaws again more. I didn't watch it.

767
00:48:37,236 --> 00:48:41,036
Speaker 2: I didn't watch it, but but you know, it's always

768
00:48:41,156 --> 00:48:44,996
Speaker 2: I get these signals, you know, and I call it

769
00:48:45,076 --> 00:48:48,676
Speaker 2: the universe. You know, it's like, Okay, you can't fly now.

770
00:48:49,036 --> 00:48:51,396
Speaker 2: And I don't even question it if I hear that,

771
00:48:52,036 --> 00:48:54,196
Speaker 2: you know, because you know, because I'm, like I said,

772
00:48:54,236 --> 00:48:59,836
Speaker 2: I'm really not afraid, you know, until unless it's heights. Yeah,

773
00:48:59,836 --> 00:49:01,956
Speaker 2: I'm scared of heights and flying.

774
00:49:01,996 --> 00:49:05,236
Speaker 1: That's why you didn't tell me you're not afraid.

775
00:49:06,156 --> 00:49:08,596
Speaker 2: I'm letting you know. I'm letting you know. When it

776
00:49:08,636 --> 00:49:12,116
Speaker 2: comes out, all heights I'm through. I mean, you know,

777
00:49:12,716 --> 00:49:16,716
Speaker 2: the roller coasters, I love it, you know, and you

778
00:49:16,756 --> 00:49:20,996
Speaker 2: know we we rode on them thousands of times, you know.

779
00:49:22,316 --> 00:49:25,276
Speaker 2: But she didn't never know I was scared of heights,

780
00:49:25,316 --> 00:49:28,636
Speaker 2: you know, until one day I just broke out into it,

781
00:49:29,276 --> 00:49:30,836
Speaker 2: you know, because we was up in one of those

782
00:49:30,916 --> 00:49:34,076
Speaker 2: hotels that you know, you ride up in the elevator

783
00:49:34,116 --> 00:49:37,356
Speaker 2: and you could see yourself going up, but then you know,

784
00:49:37,996 --> 00:49:41,076
Speaker 2: then it's like, oh, man, I couldn't even look over

785
00:49:41,156 --> 00:49:43,676
Speaker 2: the you know, like if you're up on the forty

786
00:49:43,796 --> 00:49:47,356
Speaker 2: floor or whatever window, look, man, I couldn't do that.

787
00:49:47,716 --> 00:49:51,636
Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. But you know, that's that's the

788
00:49:51,676 --> 00:49:54,836
Speaker 2: two things that got me scared to death. You go

789
00:49:54,876 --> 00:49:58,316
Speaker 2: to the Grand Canyon or anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

790
00:49:58,556 --> 00:50:02,076
Speaker 2: If it's natural, is that okay? That that's okay? Because

791
00:50:02,156 --> 00:50:04,116
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go to the edge, you know,

792
00:50:04,476 --> 00:50:06,716
Speaker 2: and look over I'm not you know, I'm staying away

793
00:50:06,756 --> 00:50:07,956
Speaker 2: from that, okay. You know.

794
00:50:08,676 --> 00:50:11,156
Speaker 1: So it's something you do do you navigate around bridges

795
00:50:11,196 --> 00:50:14,796
Speaker 1: on the r v or no is that Okay, that's.

796
00:50:14,716 --> 00:50:19,236
Speaker 4: Kind of deep, that's kind of we don't go there,

797
00:50:20,276 --> 00:50:24,476
Speaker 4: not sorry that trail bike, trail bike in in the

798
00:50:25,356 --> 00:50:27,796
Speaker 4: you know, that's cool.

799
00:50:28,156 --> 00:50:30,996
Speaker 2: You know, as long as it ain't no way up

800
00:50:31,036 --> 00:50:36,156
Speaker 2: in the air, I'm good with. Okay, okay, you know, okay, yeah, okay, I.

801
00:50:36,436 --> 00:50:39,476
Speaker 1: Get that though, because honestly, to a COVID, once you're grounded,

802
00:50:39,956 --> 00:50:40,836
Speaker 1: you're not going anywhere.

803
00:50:40,876 --> 00:50:41,516
Speaker 2: You're not driving.

804
00:50:41,676 --> 00:50:43,196
Speaker 1: To the point too, I used to love to drive,

805
00:50:43,356 --> 00:50:44,396
Speaker 1: like everywhere I could drive.

806
00:50:44,556 --> 00:50:46,956
Speaker 2: See that now you four hours, now you hit it.

807
00:50:46,996 --> 00:50:50,276
Speaker 2: But I'm like, now, I'm like, now driving that's all.

808
00:50:50,436 --> 00:50:52,876
Speaker 2: That's all I used to do. I would take George

809
00:50:52,956 --> 00:50:57,036
Speaker 2: from New Jersey down to Miami, Florida, and all we're

810
00:50:57,076 --> 00:51:00,716
Speaker 2: doing is listening to music, getting loaded, and me driving

811
00:51:00,996 --> 00:51:03,756
Speaker 2: because he couldn't drive. He didn't have a license, didn't

812
00:51:03,756 --> 00:51:07,596
Speaker 2: want a license. Really, yeah, that was a getaway for us.

813
00:51:08,676 --> 00:51:12,356
Speaker 2: You know, we go to Florida and fish. You know,

814
00:51:12,396 --> 00:51:16,436
Speaker 2: we rent a yacht and that was our getaway because

815
00:51:16,436 --> 00:51:19,396
Speaker 2: we was under a lot of pressure trying to get

816
00:51:20,036 --> 00:51:24,236
Speaker 2: these groups and getting the songs and the albums. Because

817
00:51:24,276 --> 00:51:32,156
Speaker 2: George was developing a whole new concept where each group

818
00:51:32,996 --> 00:51:36,996
Speaker 2: was on a different label, and you know, we didn't

819
00:51:37,076 --> 00:51:40,916
Speaker 2: realize at the time what he was doing. He didn't

820
00:51:40,956 --> 00:51:44,876
Speaker 2: really realize, but he thought, you know, that would have

821
00:51:45,036 --> 00:51:48,756
Speaker 2: them fighting against each other to make sure that they

822
00:51:48,836 --> 00:51:51,756
Speaker 2: pushed their own group. And it worked.

823
00:51:52,436 --> 00:51:53,196
Speaker 1: It worked.

824
00:51:53,636 --> 00:51:56,636
Speaker 2: Like did he get sued for that or no?

825
00:51:56,116 --> 00:51:56,156
Speaker 1: No?

826
00:51:56,636 --> 00:52:00,916
Speaker 2: No, I mean you know at that particular time, you know,

827
00:52:01,356 --> 00:52:03,996
Speaker 2: it's like sampling comeing in and you don't know what

828
00:52:04,076 --> 00:52:05,836
Speaker 2: to do with it. They didn't know what to do

829
00:52:05,916 --> 00:52:08,756
Speaker 2: with that. You know, he was a genius as far

830
00:52:08,756 --> 00:52:10,556
Speaker 2: as the you know, it's like, damn, how do you

831
00:52:10,556 --> 00:52:14,476
Speaker 2: figure that out? You know? So no, I mean all

832
00:52:14,516 --> 00:52:17,596
Speaker 2: of them felt like fools, you know. So you know,

833
00:52:17,636 --> 00:52:20,116
Speaker 2: they didn't want you to know that they were that stupid,

834
00:52:20,716 --> 00:52:23,076
Speaker 2: you know. So you know he got away with it.

835
00:52:23,236 --> 00:52:24,716
Speaker 2: That's incredible. Yeah.

836
00:52:24,796 --> 00:52:27,716
Speaker 1: And then you guys, eventually, because it was like Casablanca

837
00:52:27,756 --> 00:52:31,316
Speaker 1: and west Bound exactly, then you guys throw a Warner.

838
00:52:31,276 --> 00:52:39,876
Speaker 2: Yeah, Warner Atlantic had horny horns. Wow. Uh uh. Columbia

839
00:52:39,996 --> 00:52:44,996
Speaker 2: I think had the Brides and so and Paul add

840
00:52:45,036 --> 00:52:49,156
Speaker 2: it was on I can't remember, maybe they were on Westbound,

841
00:52:49,156 --> 00:52:52,556
Speaker 2: I can't remember what. But every group was on a

842
00:52:52,636 --> 00:52:57,036
Speaker 2: different you know, and and then Boosy rubber Band was

843
00:52:57,036 --> 00:53:01,756
Speaker 2: on Warners you know. Yeah, so that was the whole thing.

844
00:53:01,836 --> 00:53:06,996
Speaker 2: That's where doctor Dre and Snoop got that whole concept from.

845
00:53:07,356 --> 00:53:12,076
Speaker 2: You know, it's because that's that whole empire that we

846
00:53:12,196 --> 00:53:15,636
Speaker 2: kind of you know, came came through and we didn't

847
00:53:15,636 --> 00:53:18,596
Speaker 2: know what we was doing. Dre and Snoop they know

848
00:53:18,636 --> 00:53:21,076
Speaker 2: what they're doing. You know, they take care of business.

849
00:53:21,396 --> 00:53:23,716
Speaker 2: We wasn't taking care of no business. We were just

850
00:53:23,836 --> 00:53:27,916
Speaker 2: doing what we thought, you know, what would help us

851
00:53:27,956 --> 00:53:30,836
Speaker 2: at the moment. You know. It wasn't like we was

852
00:53:30,876 --> 00:53:35,716
Speaker 2: looking for longevity or we were looking you know, for legacy,

853
00:53:36,276 --> 00:53:39,996
Speaker 2: you know, none of that. You know. It was like, man,

854
00:53:39,996 --> 00:53:46,796
Speaker 2: I can get some more drugs, you know, like did

855
00:53:46,836 --> 00:53:48,796
Speaker 2: you get because you know, I know like Hendrix was

856
00:53:48,836 --> 00:53:52,836
Speaker 2: a big you know for all you guys, big poster

857
00:53:52,956 --> 00:53:57,036
Speaker 2: on you you know, like his passing, that's that didn't

858
00:53:57,036 --> 00:54:00,796
Speaker 2: spook anyone, like no, because you know, we kind of

859
00:54:01,356 --> 00:54:04,556
Speaker 2: kind of felt the inside story. You know. I used

860
00:54:04,596 --> 00:54:08,156
Speaker 2: to yeah, yeah, I used to go out with his uh,

861
00:54:08,716 --> 00:54:10,436
Speaker 2: his friend Litho Fame.

862
00:54:11,236 --> 00:54:13,836
Speaker 1: You I was just talking about her because she's in

863
00:54:13,876 --> 00:54:16,436
Speaker 1: the she's like the star of his documentary that came

864
00:54:16,836 --> 00:54:17,996
Speaker 1: for him like seventy one or two.

865
00:54:18,076 --> 00:54:20,396
Speaker 2: Well, she was on the road with us with James Brown,

866
00:54:21,276 --> 00:54:24,476
Speaker 2: and she would ride the bus with us, you know. Uh,

867
00:54:24,516 --> 00:54:28,676
Speaker 2: and she was gonna take me to meet Jimmy, you know.

868
00:54:28,836 --> 00:54:32,916
Speaker 2: But what happened was, you know, when he was working,

869
00:54:33,196 --> 00:54:36,036
Speaker 2: we were working, you know, because everybody was on the

870
00:54:36,116 --> 00:54:39,996
Speaker 2: road at that time, you know, and so we never

871
00:54:40,036 --> 00:54:44,556
Speaker 2: got a chance to hook up. Wow yeah yeah, it

872
00:54:44,676 --> 00:54:52,076
Speaker 2: was deep wow yeah. And she told you what yeah wow, yeah, yeah,

873
00:54:52,116 --> 00:54:55,196
Speaker 2: they do. And the rap was they don't ever want

874
00:54:55,356 --> 00:54:59,636
Speaker 2: another one of those kind of talents to to reach

875
00:54:59,716 --> 00:55:04,516
Speaker 2: that level because they can rule the world, you know,

876
00:55:04,956 --> 00:55:09,636
Speaker 2: and we can't have that, you know. So you know,

877
00:55:09,996 --> 00:55:12,836
Speaker 2: and then when we came on the scene, it was like, oh,

878
00:55:12,916 --> 00:55:14,756
Speaker 2: let's make sure these mother you know, we got to

879
00:55:14,756 --> 00:55:17,876
Speaker 2: shut these mothers down because they a big threat. Yeah,

880
00:55:18,196 --> 00:55:20,596
Speaker 2: you know. And we wasn't trying to do nothing but

881
00:55:20,636 --> 00:55:24,996
Speaker 2: play music and express ourselves. Yeah, you know, but it

882
00:55:25,036 --> 00:55:27,316
Speaker 2: was a it was complicated.

883
00:55:27,396 --> 00:55:30,996
Speaker 1: Did you have a relationship with with with Kiss beyond

884
00:55:31,076 --> 00:55:32,876
Speaker 1: just a label?

885
00:55:32,996 --> 00:55:35,116
Speaker 2: Just a label, you know, as far as the label,

886
00:55:35,676 --> 00:55:41,156
Speaker 2: you know, and we both used the same clothes designer,

887
00:55:41,716 --> 00:55:47,956
Speaker 2: you know, Lugaspi Lagasy yeah in New York, you know, so,

888
00:55:48,876 --> 00:55:52,156
Speaker 2: and then Patty LaBelle and then they used them too,

889
00:55:52,556 --> 00:55:54,996
Speaker 2: and they were they had the same lawyer we had,

890
00:55:55,556 --> 00:55:58,756
Speaker 2: so it was all kind of all you know, kind

891
00:55:58,796 --> 00:55:59,636
Speaker 2: of screwed up there.

892
00:55:59,756 --> 00:56:05,996
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm getting the picture now, groupe, same lawyer,

893
00:56:06,316 --> 00:56:06,956
Speaker 1: right right?

894
00:56:09,796 --> 00:56:11,076
Speaker 2: What once?

895
00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:13,356
Speaker 1: Talk about the new album too before we get there.

896
00:56:14,316 --> 00:56:19,716
Speaker 1: The song like your songwright songwriter you George and Bernie

897
00:56:20,436 --> 00:56:21,916
Speaker 1: as like a songwriting unit.

898
00:56:22,116 --> 00:56:28,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, how did how did that start? Oh? Wow, I

899
00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:31,156
Speaker 2: see how did it start? I guess it started with

900
00:56:32,556 --> 00:56:39,956
Speaker 2: going in cutting tracks, and then Bernie and I would

901
00:56:40,036 --> 00:56:44,156
Speaker 2: cut tracks, and then George would come in with the party,

902
00:56:45,076 --> 00:56:47,596
Speaker 2: you know, because he always brought the party and we're

903
00:56:47,596 --> 00:56:50,356
Speaker 2: trying to get some music down, and he'd bring the

904
00:56:50,436 --> 00:56:53,356
Speaker 2: party in and busted up, you know, and he'd come

905
00:56:53,396 --> 00:56:57,396
Speaker 2: in loud, you know, and he had this microphone you know,

906
00:56:57,476 --> 00:57:00,676
Speaker 2: in the control room that he would get on, you know,

907
00:57:00,796 --> 00:57:03,636
Speaker 2: as soon as he walk in. You know, he heard the

908
00:57:03,756 --> 00:57:07,276
Speaker 2: music and he was live. I mean, he was so

909
00:57:07,636 --> 00:57:11,196
Speaker 2: live and loud. You know, it's like we was like,

910
00:57:11,276 --> 00:57:13,756
Speaker 2: wait a minute, George, hold up man, we're trying to

911
00:57:13,796 --> 00:57:16,996
Speaker 2: you know, figure this arrangement out, you know, but he

912
00:57:17,116 --> 00:57:20,476
Speaker 2: was so hyped up about whatever we was doing, you know,

913
00:57:20,796 --> 00:57:24,036
Speaker 2: and he would come up with words, you know, and

914
00:57:24,156 --> 00:57:26,756
Speaker 2: lyrics and stuff right on the spot.

915
00:57:27,076 --> 00:57:30,196
Speaker 1: Man, Let's talk about the new album, I mean, talk

916
00:57:30,236 --> 00:57:31,676
Speaker 1: about not being afraid.

917
00:57:32,476 --> 00:57:34,156
Speaker 2: Yeah, not not.

918
00:57:36,476 --> 00:57:40,796
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's no boundaries still with your

919
00:57:41,076 --> 00:57:43,916
Speaker 1: there's still he wasn't now me like there's no world

920
00:57:43,996 --> 00:57:47,556
Speaker 1: box or boundaries in which well, you know, after what

921
00:57:48,956 --> 00:57:52,236
Speaker 1: we've all kind of been through, it's like.

922
00:57:52,716 --> 00:57:55,116
Speaker 2: Ain't nothing new they can do to us. I mean,

923
00:57:55,196 --> 00:58:01,796
Speaker 2: you know, you know, we pretty much know, we pretty

924
00:58:01,836 --> 00:58:05,996
Speaker 2: much know the game, you know, and so that allows

925
00:58:06,036 --> 00:58:09,596
Speaker 2: me to do more of what are you to do?

926
00:58:09,796 --> 00:58:14,396
Speaker 2: But even more than that, you know, because I'm not afraid,

927
00:58:14,996 --> 00:58:20,876
Speaker 2: you know, it's more like I got a bigger audience

928
00:58:21,916 --> 00:58:28,116
Speaker 2: to play too. And not only that, you know, I'm

929
00:58:28,156 --> 00:58:31,516
Speaker 2: standing in front of them trying to show them that

930
00:58:31,636 --> 00:58:33,956
Speaker 2: they can do it too. That's my whole thing about

931
00:58:33,996 --> 00:58:38,516
Speaker 2: the mirror star glasses I had, you know, made was

932
00:58:39,236 --> 00:58:41,996
Speaker 2: when the people looking, when the kid looks into my eyes,

933
00:58:42,756 --> 00:58:47,036
Speaker 2: he sees itself, you know, And to me, that meant

934
00:58:47,076 --> 00:58:50,156
Speaker 2: more than him seeing me, you know, And that's why

935
00:58:50,196 --> 00:58:53,316
Speaker 2: I had the star glasses make you know, the same

936
00:58:53,316 --> 00:58:56,356
Speaker 2: thing with the bass the space base. If you notice

937
00:58:56,356 --> 00:59:00,236
Speaker 2: this mirror all on the you know, and that was

938
00:59:00,956 --> 00:59:04,756
Speaker 2: when the lights hit the space Base. It's gonna hit

939
00:59:04,796 --> 00:59:09,996
Speaker 2: you too, you know. And so all of that was

940
00:59:10,276 --> 00:59:14,636
Speaker 2: you know, I thought of that beforehand, before I actually

941
00:59:14,636 --> 00:59:18,796
Speaker 2: had it done, you know, because it had to have meaning,

942
00:59:19,476 --> 00:59:22,596
Speaker 2: you know, not just me being a superhero or star.

943
00:59:23,356 --> 00:59:25,916
Speaker 2: It had to be something deeper than that. Yeah, you know.

944
00:59:26,116 --> 00:59:31,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, these days when you're making music, Yeah, what's your

945
00:59:32,516 --> 00:59:33,516
Speaker 1: how do you organ like?

946
00:59:34,036 --> 00:59:37,716
Speaker 2: Is there a there's no certain way. There's no certain way. No,

947
00:59:37,836 --> 00:59:40,796
Speaker 2: it can come at any time. It can come through

948
00:59:40,836 --> 00:59:44,756
Speaker 2: somebody else, or somebody else might spark you to go

949
00:59:44,876 --> 00:59:49,076
Speaker 2: in a certain direction. You know. I don't ever put

950
00:59:49,076 --> 00:59:53,636
Speaker 2: it on How do should I come up with this music?

951
00:59:54,316 --> 00:59:56,316
Speaker 2: It just comes. It always come.

952
00:59:56,436 --> 01:00:01,236
Speaker 1: You might be doing something, yeah, and what like a

953
01:00:01,276 --> 01:00:05,196
Speaker 1: line or a melody will hit you or a line.

954
01:00:05,756 --> 01:00:10,596
Speaker 2: It either comes in a riff or melody or a beat.

955
01:00:11,476 --> 01:00:15,036
Speaker 2: You know, if you got to be you know, if

956
01:00:15,076 --> 01:00:18,156
Speaker 2: you got to beat down. I'm more comfortable now with

957
01:00:18,556 --> 01:00:21,876
Speaker 2: having a beat, you know. Uh, just something you can

958
01:00:21,916 --> 01:00:24,516
Speaker 2: go back, even if it's just a metrono, you know.

959
01:00:25,196 --> 01:00:28,636
Speaker 2: And and then you can put this idea, doo doo

960
01:00:29,636 --> 01:00:32,596
Speaker 2: doo dooo. Do do do do do do Do Do

961
01:00:33,716 --> 01:00:36,716
Speaker 2: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do do do do

962
01:00:36,916 --> 01:00:39,556
Speaker 2: do doo. You know, you can take that in a

963
01:00:39,636 --> 01:00:42,796
Speaker 2: whole parliament thing, you know, put some collaps on that mode,

964
01:00:42,996 --> 01:00:48,756
Speaker 2: you know. Do doo doo doo doo dooo doo doo dooo.

965
01:00:48,996 --> 01:00:51,156
Speaker 2: You put that, you get at the George, He'll kill it.

966
01:00:51,916 --> 01:00:55,436
Speaker 2: He'll kill it, you know. So you know, that's the

967
01:00:55,516 --> 01:00:58,356
Speaker 2: way it came then, that's the way it comes now.

968
01:00:58,956 --> 01:01:03,436
Speaker 2: But it comes even more so now because of what

969
01:01:03,636 --> 01:01:06,516
Speaker 2: I got around me, you know, different things. You know.

970
01:01:06,956 --> 01:01:11,556
Speaker 2: It used to be all about out the musicians, you know,

971
01:01:11,836 --> 01:01:14,876
Speaker 2: like because they're there, which yeah, you know. Now I

972
01:01:15,076 --> 01:01:18,636
Speaker 2: had to up my game and figure out how to

973
01:01:18,756 --> 01:01:22,836
Speaker 2: work the boy in the box, you know, and instead

974
01:01:22,836 --> 01:01:25,356
Speaker 2: of putting it down, you know, I picked it up

975
01:01:25,676 --> 01:01:28,236
Speaker 2: and started learning. My son start teaching me how to

976
01:01:29,156 --> 01:01:29,476
Speaker 2: work it.

977
01:01:29,836 --> 01:01:29,996
Speaker 1: You know.

978
01:01:30,316 --> 01:01:35,036
Speaker 2: I'm not like a professional engineer, none of that, but

979
01:01:35,156 --> 01:01:38,156
Speaker 2: I know how to record myself, you know, and anytime

980
01:01:38,316 --> 01:01:41,876
Speaker 2: something comes bang, I'm on it, you know. And I

981
01:01:41,956 --> 01:01:44,436
Speaker 2: put the idea down and then I come back to

982
01:01:44,556 --> 01:01:47,796
Speaker 2: it if I feel like, yeah, that's popping, you know.

983
01:01:48,676 --> 01:01:51,516
Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of the way we do it now, because,

984
01:01:51,556 --> 01:01:55,156
Speaker 2: like I said before, we always had the band with us.

985
01:01:55,476 --> 01:01:58,036
Speaker 2: You know, I had to get used to not having

986
01:01:58,156 --> 01:02:02,916
Speaker 2: the band, you know, And so I know how teased

987
01:02:03,236 --> 01:02:06,316
Speaker 2: and how hectic that is without the band because I've

988
01:02:06,356 --> 01:02:08,916
Speaker 2: been through that, you know, and I learned how to

989
01:02:09,156 --> 01:02:13,276
Speaker 2: deal with it, you know. And rejection is another thing

990
01:02:13,956 --> 01:02:17,556
Speaker 2: that the younger generation has to deal with, and they

991
01:02:17,596 --> 01:02:20,196
Speaker 2: don't know how to deal with that, you know. Rejection

992
01:02:20,436 --> 01:02:23,356
Speaker 2: is that's a heck of a thing to be rejected,

993
01:02:23,956 --> 01:02:26,916
Speaker 2: you know. And like the Funk has always been rejected,

994
01:02:27,356 --> 01:02:29,196
Speaker 2: you know. That's why we ain't never been in the

995
01:02:30,796 --> 01:02:33,556
Speaker 2: you know, the Grammys and all that big stuff that

996
01:02:33,956 --> 01:02:36,276
Speaker 2: you know, you know, mugs make you know, they ain't

997
01:02:36,356 --> 01:02:39,156
Speaker 2: give they don't give a funk about that funk. You know.

998
01:02:39,276 --> 01:02:41,716
Speaker 2: That's why we cut Album of the Year. We'll give

999
01:02:41,796 --> 01:02:46,116
Speaker 2: it to ourselves number one funk tier. Now y'all funk

1000
01:02:46,196 --> 01:02:47,916
Speaker 2: with that. They gonna have to funk with that.

1001
01:02:49,196 --> 01:02:52,636
Speaker 1: I love that, man, The ability of funk to give

1002
01:02:53,076 --> 01:02:58,436
Speaker 1: to the audience man, a feeling of of joy and

1003
01:02:58,916 --> 01:03:02,836
Speaker 1: eliminating vulnerability. And it's like before hip hop was was

1004
01:03:02,876 --> 01:03:05,556
Speaker 1: sort of the language of giving people confidence and that's

1005
01:03:05,596 --> 01:03:07,436
Speaker 1: what I feel it was like that was that's where

1006
01:03:07,476 --> 01:03:08,156
Speaker 1: funk lived, you know.

1007
01:03:08,316 --> 01:03:13,116
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, that's totally it. And you know,

1008
01:03:13,596 --> 01:03:18,116
Speaker 2: for me, it's like the more I stay committed to that,

1009
01:03:19,516 --> 01:03:25,556
Speaker 2: the more I'll still be around and able to speak

1010
01:03:25,636 --> 01:03:28,876
Speaker 2: the language of today whatever it is, or I can

1011
01:03:28,916 --> 01:03:32,316
Speaker 2: speak the language of it yesterday. It don't make a difference,

1012
01:03:32,596 --> 01:03:36,436
Speaker 2: you know. It's being able to hang with whoever it is. Yeah,

1013
01:03:36,756 --> 01:03:40,956
Speaker 2: you know, and so when you feel started feeling comfortable

1014
01:03:41,036 --> 01:03:44,436
Speaker 2: with that, you start to feel comfortable with yourself, you know.

1015
01:03:44,716 --> 01:03:48,676
Speaker 2: And now it's like the sky is not the limit

1016
01:03:49,196 --> 01:03:53,196
Speaker 2: because there's walls behind the sky. Yeah.

1017
01:03:54,396 --> 01:03:58,156
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're so blessed to have you still making music

1018
01:03:58,716 --> 01:04:02,756
Speaker 1: and it's still just giving us that the bootsy energy man,

1019
01:04:02,796 --> 01:04:04,356
Speaker 1: because it's needed in the world.

1020
01:04:04,396 --> 01:04:06,596
Speaker 2: Man, So thank you for everything. Oh, thank you man,

1021
01:04:06,756 --> 01:04:06,996
Speaker 2: thank you.

1022
01:04:09,916 --> 01:04:12,196
Speaker 1: In episode description, you'll find a playlist of some of

1023
01:04:12,236 --> 01:04:14,956
Speaker 1: our favorite boots of tracks, along with songs from his

1024
01:04:15,076 --> 01:04:17,756
Speaker 1: new album album of the Year number one, Funk Tier.

1025
01:04:18,596 --> 01:04:20,676
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1026
01:04:20,756 --> 01:04:23,636
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1029
01:04:27,356 --> 01:04:29,676
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1030
01:04:30,196 --> 01:04:33,076
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1031
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1032
01:04:36,876 --> 01:04:41,196
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1033
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