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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to short Stuff. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles Lubach Hook Brian, there's Jerry over there,

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Speaker 1: and we are right smack dab in the middle of

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Speaker 1: entering graduation season, and we're three doctors. We are self proclaimed. Really,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even have three honorary decreem exactly. Ours are

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Speaker 1: written in crayon in our own handwriting. Yeah, so this,

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Speaker 1: you know, we talked about this in a recent episode

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Speaker 1: about honorary degrees, and this ended up being kind of encapsulating.

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Speaker 1: What's perfect about short stuff is we can explain everything

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Speaker 1: you need to know about honorary degrees and like twelve minutes,

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Speaker 1: we can explain it in one second. Marketing. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of that's kind of true, but it is a

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Speaker 1: little more interesting than that. Uh, let's talk about the history,

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Speaker 1: because not all universities give honorary degrees um very this

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Speaker 1: The University of Virginia uv A, m I T, Stanford,

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Speaker 1: and Cornell do not give honorary degrees um. William uh

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Speaker 1: Barton Rogers, founder of m I T, said they are

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Speaker 1: unfriendly to true literary advancement and of spurious merit and

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Speaker 1: idea that you shouldn't have, you shouldn't give away doctorates.

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Speaker 1: And uv A was founded by Thomas Jefferson, who was

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Speaker 1: the one who put that ban on him, right, but

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Speaker 1: he accepted an honorary doctorate from Harvard. It's a bit

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Speaker 1: of a double standard, probably not the only double standard

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Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's ever ever been involved with. Yeah, but here's

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Speaker 1: the secret, Well, it's not a secret at all. Here's

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Speaker 1: the very plain truth that everyone knows about honorary degrees.

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Speaker 1: Since the beginning of time, they have been used. Two.

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Speaker 1: They say, a to reward donors who have given money,

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Speaker 1: sometimes to bring in celebrities for appeal for like media

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Speaker 1: appeal for graduation ceremonies and such like that. But it's

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Speaker 1: really just for whatever reason, it's a way to get

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Speaker 1: some press by acknowledging someone that you think as a

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Speaker 1: university somewhat aligns with your values as a university. Right. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Ultimately that's the goal is to it's not just somebody's

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Speaker 1: or everybody can get behind, right, Yeah. And it started

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Speaker 1: in Europe, not even here in the US. No, no

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Speaker 1: um over at Oxford, I believe the first one was

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Speaker 1: He was an influential bishop and he he got his

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Speaker 1: honorary doctorate unbidden. It was a bit of a surprise.

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Speaker 1: From what I understand is just kind of showed up

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Speaker 1: at his house and they say, so congratulations. Also totally unrelated,

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Speaker 1: we were thinking that you might come be chancellor of

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Speaker 1: the university. Now since you're a doctor, all al right,

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Speaker 1: wealthy connections with me to to UM to Oxford, which

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Speaker 1: this time. In four so they were the first one

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Speaker 1: grand tradition that is basically just kind of waxed and

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Speaker 1: waned throughout the years, but mostly waxed in in enthusiasm

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Speaker 1: and abuse, I guess is the word I'm looking for. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: King Charles the first speaking of abuse, Uh, he really

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Speaker 1: got honorary degree. Happy he handed up three hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty Oxford doctorates. Uh, two people that of course supported

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Speaker 1: That's a lot. Um, it's almost one a day by

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Speaker 1: So um, King Charles the first was the first to

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Speaker 1: the nineteenth century, there were so many degrees being handed

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Speaker 1: So it is a big deal to do this. UM,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to sound he sounded like not Jerry Seinfeld,

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Speaker 1: David Brenner probably okay, sure, why not? Uh? And they

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Speaker 1: if it's in writing as a requirement to come to

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Speaker 1: give like amazing caliber remarks at the commencement exercises. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and when you teased before the break about hey, everyone

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Speaker 1: In their rules. They say, in no instance will the

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Speaker 1: take this meaningless of paper right away from you. Don't

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Speaker 1: even register at your hotel under doctor Bryant, which I

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Speaker 1: haven't been known to do. Don't even don't even have

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Speaker 1: because we're listening. So um, it's not just Florida Atlantic

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Speaker 1: a this is a big deal because again, back in

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Speaker 1: care what you think of me, because I'm my Angelou. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: away his honorary degree. Um Oscar Pistorius away? Um who

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Speaker 1: else Donald Trump had one rescinded from whom university? You

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Speaker 1: say that as if it's a real thing. Um. I

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Speaker 1: But he got an honorary degree that was taken away

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Speaker 1: And they were like, no, we're taking that back. It's cool. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and there's there's more and more. I don't Oh, I

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Speaker 1: should campaign to get them from our own alma mater. Well,

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Speaker 1: they not by us, but they wouldn't name what college

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Speaker 1: hold you to that. Well, I guess that's it for

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Speaker 1: honorary degrees. We got this article from how Stuff Works,

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