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Speaker 1: Welcome to Worst Year Ever, A production of I Heart

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Speaker 1: Radio to Get Everything. So don't don't welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Worst Year Ever. My name is Katie Stole. My

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Speaker 1: name isn't Katie Stole, so there it could be Katie.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna file a complaint in a portal law. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fighting already. Cheez heck, guys, Cheeze's Cody Cody, and I'm

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Speaker 1: Robert talking to you all from the anarchist jurisdiction of

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Speaker 1: Port Oregon, not to be confused with the anarchist jurisdiction

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Speaker 1: of Seattle, Washington, No Or New York City. Very exciting

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Speaker 1: week for the anarchist movement. UM. Honestly, decades of struggle.

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Speaker 1: They did it. They did it in region of some

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Speaker 1: twenty six million people. UM, and the federal government has surrendered.

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Speaker 1: So very exciting times to be an anarchist. Completely different

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Speaker 1: world that we live in every single week. Yeah. Frustrating

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Speaker 1: that there's still all of these police officers on the street.

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect that in my anarchist jurisdiction. Confusing, I

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Speaker 1: didn't expect there to be jurisdictions in my anarchist any right.

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Speaker 1: Inherently a bit of an oxymoron. Yeah. Yeah, anarchists don't

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Speaker 1: believe in jurists as a as a general rule, not

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Speaker 1: a whole lot in addiction either. Um. Not a hierarchical ideology, no,

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Speaker 1: um no not not not one where you tend to

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Speaker 1: have borders. In fact, that's kind of one of the

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Speaker 1: things you're not allowed to You're not supposed to do,

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Speaker 1: I mean not allowed. Like if there's at about like

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Speaker 1: like the police spying on people's phone calls in Portland

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Speaker 1: during protests to find out of the anarchists, maybe that's like, okay,

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Speaker 1: well is there one? Yeah, see, Cody, this is why

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Speaker 1: when the protests were at their height, I would call

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Speaker 1: you every week and just talk about crimes. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was throw them off, etcetera. Yeah, Um, that's the call.

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Speaker 1: Just just chatting about felonies with my buddy. Cody's possible felonies,

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Speaker 1: not like probable felons, theoretical fellows. Trying exactly desperately to

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Speaker 1: figure out how to pivot this conversation into the topic

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Speaker 1: that we're discussing this week. You know who liked felonies,

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Speaker 1: Vader Ginsburg. Oh God, jurisdiction. The word jurisdiction. I feel

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Speaker 1: like all of this ties into Ruth Theader Ginsburg, famed anarchist,

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Speaker 1: famed anarchist RBG, the resistance hero um spying on Robert

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Speaker 1: and my phone calls. Guys, maybe that was too far.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. We're on very different wavelengths,

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Speaker 1: but I'm into it. Um, yeah, I know we we are.

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Speaker 1: We are here today to talk about Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

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Speaker 1: her passing, the implications, what this means, the fight that

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Speaker 1: we have ahead, all of that really jolly stuff. You

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Speaker 1: guys are ready for this, No, in no way ready

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Speaker 1: for I don't think anybody is, or was or can be.

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Speaker 1: But here we go. On Friday. That's right, Sophie, that

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Speaker 1: size exactly right. On Friday, every American UH with a

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Speaker 1: conscious collectively tweeted fuck I was gonna say, yelled fuck,

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Speaker 1: I wrote yelled. We all yelled fuck or tweeted it

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Speaker 1: or texted it whatever on the timeline. Just an instant,

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Speaker 1: instantaneous reverberation across the country when we all saw that

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Speaker 1: headline pop up on our phones. UM. Yes, RBG has

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Speaker 1: passed away from complications of metastic pancreatic cancer at the

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Speaker 1: age of eighty seven. Um, this is yeah, it's hard.

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Speaker 1: I I don't need to explain what the potential implications Sorry,

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Speaker 1: what the potential implications of this loss means for reproductive rights,

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Speaker 1: for voting rights, for our future. It's all very daunting

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Speaker 1: and dire. Um. And it's messy. I'm gonna be a

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Speaker 1: little personal here. It's messy for me. My emotions surrounding

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Speaker 1: her death. It really hit me hard. It still is

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Speaker 1: You know what, what she's done for women is undeniable. Um.

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Speaker 1: when you thought of RBG, you thought of hope, you

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Speaker 1: not being in that position anymore, because being in those

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Speaker 1: You know, And and it's tricky, you know. Within my

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Speaker 1: I was like, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: that that's a really important thing that we need to

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Speaker 1: allow for ourselves. Like our heroes aren't infallible. They make mistakes.

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Speaker 1: and McConnell will live in infamy as the man who

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Speaker 1: destroyed the Senate in the court through his own lust

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Speaker 1: for power. This is true, but who cares? Um, it

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Speaker 1: won't change anybody's mind. It doesn't shame anybody into changing

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Speaker 1: their behavior. It's just saying this out loud, um, and

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Speaker 1: not that he's a senator and can do anything about it.

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Speaker 1: So okay, thanks alf back just a bit because I've

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Speaker 1: seen somebody say I I agree with you, as we

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Speaker 1: say on even More News, I agree with you completely

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Speaker 1: about the futility of such things, except there is, um

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Speaker 1: there is something about stating the obvious like this that

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Speaker 1: is a reminder of like, I'm not losing my mind.

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Speaker 1: I've seen that arguabent being made, so on a personal level,

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Speaker 1: I get it, but it doesn't change anything. But especially

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Speaker 1: from leaders, it's unhelpful. Well, right, So that's the thing,

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Speaker 1: Like I think it's it's it's a little better to like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: commissery and be like, wow, look at the truth and

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Speaker 1: reality that we can all agree on. Um. But when

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Speaker 1: it's you know, Diane Feinstein just like tweeting about how

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Speaker 1: this cannot stand and this stuff, it's like, well, what

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Speaker 1: are you going to do about it? Um? There are

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Speaker 1: some things that can be done. I mean, they know

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Speaker 1: the people that the hypocrites know that they're hypocrite, right,

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Speaker 1: they know they don't care We talked about this about

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Speaker 1: climate change. We talked about this in regards to the

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Speaker 1: climate change in the last week's episode. Uh, they know

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Speaker 1: they're lying. They don't care. Again, it's their own list

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Speaker 1: for power. That's fine. Maybe you could practice this a

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Speaker 1: little bit and actually exercise the power that you have. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's not constantly that line from uh the good Place,

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Speaker 1: where the good Place people are like, well, we can't

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Speaker 1: just do something, Michael, we're the good guys. But well, no,

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Speaker 1: you can't just do something. Um. That's a really good quote.

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Speaker 1: It's a good line about a lot of things. Um.

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Speaker 1: But like they can withhold unanimous consent um, which is

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Speaker 1: like there are a lot of like boring things that

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Speaker 1: the Senate has in place that they can utilize to

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Speaker 1: slow it down to a halt. Um and like grind

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Speaker 1: the gears. One of the things that is technically good

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Speaker 1: about our system, even though it's actually not good because

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Speaker 1: its stalls so much. It's very slow. We have a

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Speaker 1: very slow system in place. By design, things happen very slowly. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it's actually kind of easy to slow things down. Um.

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Speaker 1: You can hold up the federal budget and shut down

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Speaker 1: the government. You can. But like what else is there

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Speaker 1: to do a lot of like a lot of the

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Speaker 1: frustrations people Joe Biden is not going to say that

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Speaker 1: we're going to pack the court, We're gonna do this,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do this, and so on, like all the

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Speaker 1: things that one would want him to do if you

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Speaker 1: were elected down the line. Some Democrats in office are

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Speaker 1: saying that we should do that, and that's good to

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Speaker 1: keep saying, but also that doesn't do anything. Now, it

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Speaker 1: doesn't stop the actual nomination from happening. Uh, it's about

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Speaker 1: forty fifty days until the election. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: any days it is until the election. It's very few days. Um.

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Speaker 1: So this is gonna have to be a really a

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Speaker 1: real rush job for the Republicans to to pull off. Um.

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Speaker 1: And like the advice that we see these days seems

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Speaker 1: to be like call Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney isn't going

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Speaker 1: to be convinced by anyone by a phone call or

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Speaker 1: a letter. And so this, this idea that Republicans are

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Speaker 1: going to change their mind and we're gonna get the

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Speaker 1: votes is ludicrous. Um. And what is all like similarly

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Speaker 1: ludicrous but maybe slightly less Throuocrius, is that the Democrats

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Speaker 1: are actually gonna do something to stop it. Um. There

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Speaker 1: are small things they can do. They just evoked some

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Speaker 1: like it's like a two hour rule for committees, where

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Speaker 1: like they can't uh, like, you can't stop proceedings to

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Speaker 1: go have a committee meeting if it exceeds a certain

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Speaker 1: amount of times. It's like very boring things that the

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Speaker 1: Senate can do to slow things down that they're going

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Speaker 1: to try to do. Uh. Pelosi was asked recently about

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Speaker 1: what we could possibly do about it, and her response, like,

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Speaker 1: the first part was get out and vote, which is

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Speaker 1: very frustrating to here. But the next part is that

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Speaker 1: she's got he's got arrows in the quiver that she's

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Speaker 1: not going to reveal yet. I've got not a whole

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Speaker 1: lot of confidence in the power of those arrows and

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Speaker 1: that quick um. And what ultimately, Robert you alluded to

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Speaker 1: is that it's going to take direct action from people

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Speaker 1: to stop this from happening. Because one of the other

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Speaker 1: things that you can do to stop this, aside from

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Speaker 1: like the procedural boring ship, is to literally stop people

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Speaker 1: from being able to go into that building and do

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Speaker 1: these things. Um. And one of the things that I

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Speaker 1: think that Um, it's going to take It's not just

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Speaker 1: the people that need to do that, it's actual senators

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Speaker 1: need to lead these protests. Like, and that's something we

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Speaker 1: don't really see. There was a sit in I think

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Speaker 1: about gun control a few years ago, and that was

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Speaker 1: like the last time that like an elected official was

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Speaker 1: like a part of a protest. And I don't mean

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Speaker 1: like we're I'm marching in the march. I got the

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Speaker 1: photo Black Lives Matter, Yes, exactly. That's the thing that

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Speaker 1: is necessary really to stop this is direct action, and

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Speaker 1: not just direct action, but direct action from people in

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Speaker 1: power who can lead this kind of Uh, we should

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Speaker 1: be encouraging our senators to do so. So that's right.

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Speaker 1: So that's the other thing that I wanted to sort

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Speaker 1: of get at is that, Um, everyone's like, oh, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna protest Mitch McConnell's house, We're gonna protest this place.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do that. Um. And that's like, that's some

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Speaker 1: good energy. That's good energy for what is being faced

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Speaker 1: right now. But Mitch McConnell will not be convinced no

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Speaker 1: matter how many people are on his front lawn. He

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Speaker 1: does not care. He does not care. Lindsey Graham is

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Speaker 1: not going to be convinced by being shouted at or

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Speaker 1: like getting a bunch of phone calls. There's the photo

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Speaker 1: of him during Kavanaugh of a woman shouting at him

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Speaker 1: from behind. He's like smiling, adjusting his tie. It's a meme.

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Speaker 1: It's it's very frustrating to sy um, but like they

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Speaker 1: don't care. Um. People that do care that can be

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Speaker 1: pushed around, kind of our Democrats. Democrats love being pushed around.

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Speaker 1: It's how they do, it's what they do. And so

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Speaker 1: what needs to happen I would say is that this

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Speaker 1: energy that is like we're gonna protest this person. Energy,

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Speaker 1: protest the Democratic Party to do the things that need

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Speaker 1: to be done. Push them to do what needs to

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Speaker 1: be done. That's where I think a lot of this

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Speaker 1: energy is going to be the most useful. If you

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Speaker 1: can convince actual Democrats in power who are senators, to

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Speaker 1: not just be like, well, if we can invoke this rule,

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Speaker 1: then maybe they'll slow down. No, convince them, Convince them

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Speaker 1: to block the doors, convince them. Susan Collins and the

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Speaker 1: Chuck Grassleys, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: say they're the type of Democrats that I'm referring to.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I mean those are the people like

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Speaker 1: Susan Collins is like, Okay, well I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: vote for this or whoever. Like we've got, like the

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Speaker 1: vote count is already happening. I'm talking about maybe some

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Speaker 1: people on the younger side, uh, who have a lot

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Speaker 1: of passion still for for what they're doing, um, pushing

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Speaker 1: them two lead and participate in uh this kind of

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Speaker 1: action that is necessary. And I don't think they're not

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Speaker 1: going to You're I'm not sure if you're joking. She

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Speaker 1: is a Republican and said that she wouldn't feel comfortable. Right,

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Speaker 1: we've already got like okay, the vote, the vote stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean just that, but I do think of her

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Speaker 1: Rison when that might be more susceptible than a Lindsay Graham. Right,

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Speaker 1: but like but again it's like not focusing on the

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Speaker 1: vote aspect, like who's got the vote, He's got this vote.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of like, well, is Romney gonna do it?

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Speaker 1: Maybe Rubio will say like whatever, Uh, let's not focus

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Speaker 1: on getting the vote down right now, focus on like

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Speaker 1: stopping it from happening. Yeah, stopping Oh I hear you. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm not telling you stop it. I'm just saying, like

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Speaker 1: every general generally, that should be the goal. Um, and

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Speaker 1: that's where this energy should go. Um. I I would

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Speaker 1: say that that's what I like in just in reading like,

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Speaker 1: here's what democrats say they're they're gonna do, Here's what

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Speaker 1: are possible possibilities. I don't know, I'm sorry, I've I've

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Speaker 1: like rambled on a lot about like about this that

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Speaker 1: when you urge people to disrupt the institutions of government

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Speaker 1: for political that's what it's going to take at this point.

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Speaker 1: I agree with Republicans don't care. They don't care another

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Speaker 1: lifetime appointments, say, I mean he's had what two plus? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Republicans. Republicans are power hungry hypocrites who will do

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Speaker 1: it stop at nothing to continue what they've been continuing.

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Speaker 1: And Democrats love getting pushed around, So maybe we can

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Speaker 1: push them around to actually be uh, do a little

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Speaker 1: bit of what the current powerful party is doing. Cody.

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Speaker 1: So you're saying, don't be shocked that politicians do stuff

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Speaker 1: for political gain part one and to burn it down.

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Speaker 1: That's about it. That's a good um and encouraged, encouraged

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Speaker 1: the you know and vote, the the the and vote

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Speaker 1: and vote and vote, but encourage, encourage, use, use a

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Speaker 1: lot of your like Lyndsey Graham, how dare you energy

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Speaker 1: on the people who can actually do something about it? Um?

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Speaker 1: Which also is the people uh not are like the officials.

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to find um positive hopeful paths that

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Speaker 1: are short of just doing something drastic like you're suggesting

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Speaker 1: in what you're saying. I want to say, yes, call

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Speaker 1: your senators. I want to give people tangible things that

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Speaker 1: they can do. But I don't believe in petitions working. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I believe in the fact that it's feels good to

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Speaker 1: put even the fact that there's a long list of

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Speaker 1: people that say no to this and yes to this,

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Speaker 1: and we sign and put our stamp on it. But

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Speaker 1: it's also very it's sentivizing of actually doing something tangible.

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Speaker 1: It's been years of this ship. Um, it's weeks before

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Speaker 1: the election. Maybe like petitions and and calling uh Lindsey

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Speaker 1: Graham and leaving him a message isn't actually what's gonna

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Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? Um, I think people are coming around

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Speaker 1: to that this sort of radicalization like you were talking about,

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Speaker 1: Katie with like people are grieving in this text chain.

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Speaker 1: But then eventually they're like, yeah, it kind of sucks

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Speaker 1: that this didn't happen. Wow, our system kind of sucks. Um.

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Speaker 1: My good friend of mine whose dad has been a

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Speaker 1: lifelong Republican, like like very like Republican, uh conservative guy,

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Speaker 1: um is now sending again, maybe not the most effective thing,

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Speaker 1: but very I think hopeful sending letters uh to his

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Speaker 1: elected officials complaining about how they're like bowing to fascists

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Speaker 1: and Jim Jordan's like all this kind of stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it's like and like knowing that person, Um, that's wild

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Speaker 1: that they've gotten to that point. Yeah. Um, I'll say this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I don't know if this this is even

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Speaker 1: in the realm of possibility, but one thing that I've

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Speaker 1: seen floated around that people talk about is, you know,

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Speaker 1: expanding the Supreme Court or changing going in and doing

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Speaker 1: something to change term limits, expanding the number of justices

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Speaker 1: on the Supreme Court. Curious to hear what your guys

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Speaker 1: thoughts on on those, Um, whether it's realistic, whether you

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Speaker 1: think that helps oh, I mean all all for these

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Speaker 1: kinds of moves. I think it's Yeah, it's frustrating to

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Speaker 1: see a lot of people like like an Ed Markey

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Speaker 1: or Elizabeth Warren calling for those kinds of things, and

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Speaker 1: then Biden on the other side is like frustrated them

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Speaker 1: saying it's like we're not going to do that, and

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Speaker 1: like earlier to like last night, he like bragged about

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Speaker 1: beating the socialist um, which is kind of frustrating to

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Speaker 1: see that you can't say that and also say you

636
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Speaker 1: have the most progressive platform ever those are you can't

637
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Speaker 1: brag about it after saying it's very frustrating. I'm not

638
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Speaker 1: going to get into that, but anyway, but anyway, Uh,

639
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: those kinds of moves like for sure, um, say that

640
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Speaker 1: you're gonna do those things and like fire people up

641
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: for those things. But again, what now, Like this is

642
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: all stuff later. This is all stuff to say, like

643
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: if you get the Senate, if we get the presidency,

644
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this and this and this and this.

645
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: Great say that say that you're gonna do those things

646
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Speaker 1: and actually like make it seem like you're going to

647
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: commit to those things instead of this weird like uh

648
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: conflict thing going on. But that's for later. The important

649
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 1: things are like what to do now to stop it

650
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: from happening? On a personal level. That does feel like

651
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: something that me that our listeners, that anybody can can

652
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: start adopting into their their way of talking about this

653
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 1: on a level. That's something that we can do to

654
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: move the needle continuously towards achieving these things talk about

655
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,959
Speaker 1: that normalize these ideas, put them out there, because when

656
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: they gain popularity, then they start to hold sway over

657
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: politicians actually doing something right. Yeah, that isn't a great

658
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: feeling right now, Like it's not comforting, but it is

659
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 1: something that we can work towards. It's it's something. Yeah,

660
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: it's like there, you know, it is one of it's

661
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: one of the things. It's one of the parts of it. Um. Again,

662
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Speaker 1: I keep coming back to this just because it's exactly

663
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Speaker 1: what you're talking about, like people coming around to like

664
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Speaker 1: vow the Supreme Court's kind of flawed system. Wow, electoral

665
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: college kind of sucks. Like all these things have been

666
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: happening that seem in direct conflict with the idea of

667
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: democracy and that has radicalized people. Um and in the

668
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: same way of like, well maybe we should do this

669
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Speaker 1: and think about doing this down the line, think about

670
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: doing this down the line and uh, convincing the party

671
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: two not only say them, but like try to convince

672
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Speaker 1: people of itum to mean them like I I I

673
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: come back a lot to like Biden saying like health

674
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Speaker 1: care is a human right while at the same time

675
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Speaker 1: like not working to guarantee health care to every human

676
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: being in the country, um, which means it's not really

677
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: a human right in your eyes. Like if you think

678
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: voting is a human right, you're not gonna be like

679
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: I think, should you should have a public option to

680
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Speaker 1: pay for your vote? Like, well, no, you make sure

681
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: everybody gets to vote, and that's what your plan is.

682
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: But um, in that kind of way, just sort of

683
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: pushing people to like, well say it, but also convince

684
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Speaker 1: people of it because if you if you work to

685
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 1: convince people of it, then they will. That's part of leadership.

686
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Leadership is convincing people that good things are good and possible.

687
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Speaker 1: We have to take another quick break. Cool, then we're

688
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: gonna come back and talk about more things that are

689
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: not this but related to this. Fill up on candy

690
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: together everything, and we are back. Cool. Cool cool. We've

691
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Speaker 1: talked about Ruth Bader Ginsburg, We've talked about what happens next,

692
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: what we do next. Um, we haven't talked about Trump's

693
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Speaker 1: potential picks. It's a very big deal what this means.

694
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Speaker 1: It's a very big deal how many picks people that

695
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Speaker 1: Trump has has appointed, not just to the Supreme Court,

696
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: but just to the benches in general. So I'm gonna

697
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: start off this section with a little quote from a

698
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Speaker 1: Vox article. In less than four years as president, Trump

699
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 1: has appointed two hundred and one lawyers to lifetime appointments

700
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: on the federal bench, including fifty three too powerful seats

701
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: on the United States Courts of a bill. By contrast,

702
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: President Obama appointed only fifty five appellate judges during his

703
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: eight years as president. One reason for this disparity is

704
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: that Senate Republicans, led by Mitch maccaudell, imposed in near

705
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: total blockade on appeals court confirmations during Obama's final two

706
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: years in the White House. That meant Trump has effectively

707
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: been able to fill all the appeals court vacancies that

708
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: arose during his presidency, plus nearly all the vacancies that

709
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: should have been filled in Obama's last two years in office.

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Speaker 1: I guess that could have gone in the last section. Um,

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00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: but it is um great, daunting, great. I'll go with

712
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: great to see that kind of um laid out all

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00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: in front of us like that terrifying. And it's just

714
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 1: this is another quote from a different Fox article written

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Speaker 1: by Ian Millheiser. In an age of legislative dysfunction, whoever

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00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: controls the courts controls the country. In the past decade

717
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: or so or more percie, since Republicans took over the

718
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: House in two thousand eleven, Congress has been barely functional.

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Speaker 1: You can count on one hand, and possibly on just

720
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 1: two on a few fingers, the major legislation that has enacted. Judges,

721
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: by contrast, have become the most consequential policymakers in the nation.

722
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: They have gutted America's campaign finance law and dismantled much

723
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: of the Voting Rights Act. They've allowed states to deny

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00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: health coverage to millions of Americans. They've held that religion

725
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: can be wielded as a sword to cut away the

726
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: rights of others. They've drastically watered down the federal ban

727
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 1: on sexual harassment, and that barely scratches the surface. So

728
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Speaker 1: I say all this just to further underscore how important

729
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: the role the court that judges UM hold in our

730
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: country right now now more than ever, probably because our Senate,

731
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 1: our Congress sucks. Yeah, nobody likes Congress, I mean, and

732
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,959
Speaker 1: that's what that's how this stuff happens and crumbles, and

733
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: you deteriorate faith in institutions and by actually doing that, um,

734
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: and you get to a point where there's political gridlock

735
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: and it seems like nothing can get done, and so

736
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: people gravitate towards like a strongman type who says he's

737
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: going to solve all the background of fascism with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's one of those that always um

739
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: and all things in there. But like, I mean, that's

740
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: what like if you know Republicans stopping all stopping X

741
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,839
Speaker 1: and Y and and all this stuff while also now

742
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: getting these judges and you stop progress, and then you

743
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: have Trump lifting them up while claiming like Congress doesn't

744
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: get anything done and I'll do it. But he's the

745
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: he's of the party that stopped things from being done. Um.

746
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: It's just a it's a big power con um and

747
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 1: they've been doing it for a long time. So let's

748
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: talk about who this pointee might be. We don't really

749
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: know yet. Um. Obviously, Trump floated a list a couple

750
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: of weeks of that included Tom Cotton and Ted Cruz.

751
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,879
Speaker 1: I don't actually think that they are in contention here

752
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: were I'm pretty sure at this point that it's going

753
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: to be a woman, he said. He said he's going

754
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,240
Speaker 1: to pick a woman. I say, we're pretty sure because

755
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. Um, the summary of it all is

756
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 1: he has several women on his shortlist and they're all

757
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 1: terrible and an insult to the legacy of Ruth Vader

758
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 1: Ginsburg and it's depressing. The top person on his shortlist

759
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: was also mentioned when I like Beer was appointed. Amy

760
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: Coney Barrett would be terrifying and horrible. Yeah, that's who

761
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: they That's who they're probably gonna push the most because

762
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: they think, well, aside from like what she believes and

763
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: would help them do. Uh, they know that she would

764
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: be the one that makes the left angry or it

765
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: triggers the left them post political choice. Yeah, they're they're

766
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: half of Uh. Their whole approach to politics is owning

767
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: the Libs. And that's the one that would do with

768
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,280
Speaker 1: the most. And so they can laugh because they're cruel.

769
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: She's also the youngest, she's which should be the youngest

770
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: Supreme Court justice. Yeah, but well yeah, I mean fake.

771
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 1: It's yeah, the fake woke thing is very funny. Um, because, yeah,

772
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: let's get a woman in there who will not defend

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00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,320
Speaker 1: women's rights. I think we all know that just because

774
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:38,760
Speaker 1: someone's a woman doesn't mean that they're good. I hope. So. Um, yeah,

775
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: it's it's pretty terrifying, the whole thing she's quoted. She's

776
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: quoted to say the fundamental element that the woman has

777
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: a right to choose abortion will probably stand. She added,

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Speaker 1: The controversy right now is about funding. It's a question

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00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 1: of whether abortions will be publicly or privately funded. Yeah,

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00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm sure that's it. I'm sure that's the only thing. Yeah.

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00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 1: She also led a three woman panel of judges that

782
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 1: said Purdue University may have discriminate against a male student

783
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 1: accused of sexual assault when he was suspended for a year,

784
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 1: a punishment that yeah, she so, she she she sided

785
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 1: with him because he he was suspended for a year,

786
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: which made him ineligible from getting a spot in the navy. Ah,

787
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: And she said is plausible that university officials chose to

788
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: believe Jane because she is a woman, and to believe

789
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: John because he is a man, and disbelieve John because

790
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 1: he's a man trader. She's a goddamn trader. I know.

791
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: She's terrifying. Um uh you know, I mean the way

792
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: they talk about I mean, yeah, they've they want to

793
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: overturn Roe v. Way. That's what they want to do. Um,

794
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 1: that is their plan. They want to overturn the separation

795
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: of church and state. Yeah. Well, yeah, there it is. Yeah,

796
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: feels like we're kind of running out of steam about talking.

797
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: I'm very that. Well, it's yeah, it's one of those

798
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 1: things where it's like here's a list of all the

799
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: people and you don't even have to go through the

800
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: list to be like, well, it's not good. Um, and

801
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,439
Speaker 1: no one has been officially picked yet and again it's

802
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 1: like it's not even right, and like it's again it's like,

803
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: well it's not. The important thing is just to stop

804
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: the nomination process. And it doesn't really even matter who

805
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 1: it is that he puts forward. We know what they're

806
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: going to stand for, we know that what they're going

807
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: to try it to do. Not that I believe that

808
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Trump cares about these things, but he knows that's how

809
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: he gets elected. And like, I mean even and Ted

810
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: Cruz has already given up some of the game too,

811
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: and talking about how like we need them because you know,

812
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 1: if the contested election, we're gonna need a full full

813
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: court to decide that. Trump had a quote UM that

814
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to pull up to his rally about, UM,

815
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a victory on November three, the likes

816
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 1: of which you've never seen. Now, we're counting on the

817
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,439
Speaker 1: federal court system to make it so that we can

818
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,839
Speaker 1: actually have an evening where we know who wins, not

819
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: where the votes are going to be counted a week

820
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 1: later or two weeks later, or and so on. So

821
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,840
Speaker 1: it's very clear, like that's that's it's all part of it.

822
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: It's all part of their goal. Um. And it would

823
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: be great if the opposition party opposed and resisted effectively. UM.

824
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 1: I hope they don't do a couple of photo ops

825
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:35,799
Speaker 1: and how dare users and then let it happen anyway,

826
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: that point about the election night, Thank you for bringing

827
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 1: that up. I I was thinking about that earlier is

828
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 1: one of the most terrifying about it because, as we

829
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: already know, it's terrifying in so many ways because it's

830
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 1: a reminder of what a ship show it is going

831
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: to be. UM, the fight of election night, when we

832
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: know that so many of these votes are going to

833
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: be trickling in that their mail and ballots, we know

834
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: that the election will be impossible to call on election

835
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: night at this point, um most likely unless everybody's already

836
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: sent their ballots in. Well, you're right. That's the other

837
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: like in talking about the election. It's the scary part,

838
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: the very frustrating thing is that it's going to be

839
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: a ship show no matter what. The only scenario where

840
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: it's not a complete ship show is if Joe Biden

841
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: wins by a landslide. If it's clearly an overwell overwhelming landslide. Uh,

842
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: then it's going to be what you're talking about. By

843
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,799
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, you mean sweet, right, Yeah, it's

844
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: gonna be sweet cool. I just wanted to make sure

845
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Speaker 1: you can't wait. It'll be the worst night of the

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Speaker 1: worst year ever. Oh that two months two months later,

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Speaker 1: who knows? I mean, guys, let's end this on a

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Speaker 1: different kind of a vibe. Note, tell me something good,

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Speaker 1: damn something good? Uh, you know, I my fingers almost healed.

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Speaker 1: That's really good. That actually is really good news from

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Speaker 1: when that fascist broke it with a baton and I

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00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: have real fun new armored gloves coming in the mail

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Speaker 1: that I'm excited about. Nse plates very cool like in rust. Yes, yes, Cody,

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Speaker 1: that's that's That's what I have to do for my

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Speaker 1: life now. I'm also I'm also in the process of

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Speaker 1: armoring my raincoat. Um, so you're prepared for everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean the neat thing about life in is that

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Speaker 1: a sizeable chunk of the things that I thought, like,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't that be neat when I was a kid reading

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00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 1: cyberpump novels, like a lot of that's happened? Um, it

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Speaker 1: just turns out that I actually hate it. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've been We've been conditioning, you know, by films for

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Speaker 1: decades and decades to not only expect a dystopia, but

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Speaker 1: to kind of embrace a dystopia. But it turns out

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Speaker 1: dystopia suck their dystopic Um, Cody, you share something good.

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Speaker 1: Robert's fingers getting a lot better. That's amazing. I love

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Speaker 1: to hear it. Katie. What's something good that happened to

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Speaker 1: you or is happening? It's something good that's happened or

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Speaker 1: is happening? Um, you think I would have prepared an

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Speaker 1: answer since I started this line of questioning, Uh, lots

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Speaker 1: of good things are happening every day. No, I think

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Speaker 1: I've convinced my mom to come. We went to an

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Speaker 1: airbnb for my mom to come stay in and be

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Speaker 1: near me for a little bit. Um. That's nice. I

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of reservations about it because she's

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00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: in a pretty COVID free area. Um, but we'll just

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Speaker 1: hang out inside and get tested if she does that.

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00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: And you know, that's a really nice and comforting thought

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Speaker 1: to me right now that I'm looking forward to very much.

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00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: At the very least, it's a comforting thought. Yeah, that's

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00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: nice too, and it's something to work towards. It is

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Speaker 1: kind of like how how adjusting to how you have

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Speaker 1: a family during this time? And it's you know, I

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Speaker 1: normally wouldn't do that, but I think maybe that's the

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Speaker 1: best way to sneak in some Collie time. And I

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00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: need it. I need my mom. You know, we all

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00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 1: we know, we all need our moms. Whoever your mom

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 1: maybe whatever form your mom takes. Oh, I actually so

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Speaker 1: uh this I'll keep Uh you've got great news. Well,

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Speaker 1: I've got nice news. I guess. Um, Well, it's it's

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00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,320
Speaker 1: less news it's just like, oh, that's a little hopeful.

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Speaker 1: I got a message today on Twitter from somebody who

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00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: talked about how, uh they were raised in the same

894
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Speaker 1: sort of indoctrination as Ben Shapiro or Ted Cruz and

895
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: their personal distaste for like Trump as a person led me,

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00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: led him to watching videos and consuming a lot of

897
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Speaker 1: these things and like the news show that we do,

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Speaker 1: and he's like radicalized. I guess now, I thought you

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Speaker 1: were going to share. But that's great. No, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I mean personal news. I I don't. I try

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Speaker 1: to not do personal news on online that much. Um,

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Speaker 1: So I think you're alluding to the actual, really good news.

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Speaker 1: It was just that I'm an uncle now and the

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Speaker 1: baby is adorable. Congratulations. Yeah, it's he's got. He's got.

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Speaker 1: He's a lucky child who's going to have some wonderful

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Speaker 1: parents to be raised by. Which of my names is

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Speaker 1: your brother giving to the baby? The Reverend. The Reverend

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Speaker 1: is his name, the Reverend, Reverend, the Reverend Johnston. His

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Speaker 1: first name is the his middle name is Reverend. I

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Speaker 1: look forward to when he's in the d m V

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Speaker 1: and they call Reverend Comma v. Sophie. I think I

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Speaker 1: know your news. You're getting a new present tomorrow. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I was going to say that. My Republican father said

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Speaker 1: he will not be voting for Donald Trump. That's much better.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on that for you know since uh,

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Speaker 1: you know years, Yeah, every four years, every day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and uh he said, I mean he's not going to

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Speaker 1: vote for him, And that means a lot to me.

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Speaker 1: I think your news and Cody's message are a really

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Speaker 1: great way to wrap this up. And yes, I do

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Speaker 1: get him know tomorrow. Yes she's also getting herself tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But our conversations matter on on a personal level. Your

923
00:55:56,520 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: actions matter. They have trickling out effects. People aren't lost people.

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00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 1: If you think they're lost, they're not. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that we've reached enough people, but we clearly are

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Speaker 1: reaching people, all of us. You guys, the listeners, you know, um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm proud of you. It's fucking hard, and I

928
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: don't know when it's going to get better, but we'll

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Speaker 1: get through it together. And it doesn't get better. Keep

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Speaker 1: doing it or not anyway, done being a SAP. We're

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Speaker 1: going to play us out now. Um. You can follow

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Speaker 1: Katie on Twitter and Instagram. Edit Katie, still you can

933
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: follow Cody on Twitter, Instagram, and dctor Mr Cody. You

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00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: can follow Robert on Twitter and I Right Okay, You

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