WEBVTT - Waiting for Justice 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.720 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:19.800 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.200 it has been I don't even know how many days 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.840 it has been since the insurrection. At this point, January 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.279 was a year. We are now mosying on into April 0:00:35.280 --> 0:00:38.559 and there has been no movement by Merritt Garland's Department 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:45.360 of Justice. UM. Today we're going to get a refresher 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:50.440 from our friend Glenn Kirshner where things stand right now. 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:57.720 Two weeks after Congress UH sent a memo right to 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:02.480 the court in California saying, oh, yeah, there's definitely enough 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.560 evidence here for us to go after criminal charges for 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:11.480 Donald Trump and John Eastman comes on the heels of 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:17.240 learning about Jinny Thomas, wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.920 and the fact that you know, not only did she 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:25.000 attend the insurrection, but now it is also found that 0:01:25.080 --> 0:01:31.119 she funded the insurrection by paying for buses to go 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.080 to the Capitol Building, so essentially paying for those people 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:38.800 to come up to DC and storm the Capitol Building 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.399 because they believed in election fraud, which leads me to 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:48.840 believe that Clarence Thomas, a sitting Supreme Court justice, also 0:01:49.160 --> 0:01:53.840 believes that there was election fraud, even though every single 0:01:53.880 --> 0:01:58.480 report is to the contrary. Clarence Thomas hasn't been asked 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.360 to recuse himself. Clarence Thomas hasn't been investigated, and so 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:08.000 far neither has Jenny Thomas. How did we learn about 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:11.000 the fact that she was at the insurrection? Oh, I 0:02:11.040 --> 0:02:14.400 don't know, because of by her own volition, she was 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.440 doing an interview for the Washington Beacon. Right, I don't 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:26.440 understand how these people who are at the top echelons 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:32.560 of our government and our society have gone unscathed. But 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:37.760 then I answer right my own question with the description, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:44.320 if you are attached to power and to wealth and 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:49.960 to whiteness, you'll get off scott free. I'm sitting here 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:55.040 and I was thinking, right, and I've been making this 0:02:55.919 --> 0:03:00.240 this equation, right, putting this equation together in my head 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.680 because everyone says like, oh, we need to have accountability 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:06.200 and justice will prevail in all of these things. Right, 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:14.200 sitting and thinking to myself again. Jesse Smollett, actor who 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:20.560 was just released waiting on appeal for his sentencing for 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.240 lying to police back in twenty eighteen, Or twenty nineteen, 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.560 was sentenced to one hundred and fifty days in jail 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:31.920 for lying to police, who we know lie all the 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:36.360 fucking time to the public. They lie about unarmed people, 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:40.080 unarmed black people that they kill. They lie about evidence 0:03:40.240 --> 0:03:42.920 that they did not find, but then want to make 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.960 sure that their buddies get off scot free, or they 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:50.640 can put together a character assassination, right so that no 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:54.560 one delves into the report, the police reporting, so they're 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:58.960 allowed to lie, and again there's no responsibility had whatsoever. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:04.280 And then you have members of Congress who have lied, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.560 they've lived about their involvement, they are pleading the fifth 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.000 they are doing whatever it is that they need to 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.200 do in order to cover up their tracks. And no 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:20.440 prison time, no indictment, no even open investigation. Because to me, right, like, 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.160 go back to Donald Trump in Ukraine, what did he 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:28.039 want from Zelenski back in twenty nineteen. He wanted Zealnsky 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:31.440 to open up an investigation into Hunter Biden because he 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:35.839 wanted the appearance that there was wrongdoing. Because all Donald 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.920 Trump understood to be true about media and how it 0:04:39.960 --> 0:04:43.880 works is that it doesn't matter if it's actually the truth, 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:50.039 It matters what appears like it is happening, right, So again, 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:54.560 if you are using the Republican savvy right for the 0:04:55.080 --> 0:04:58.480 for the betterment of oh, I don't know, pursuing justice, 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:02.440 then why would our Department of Justice be opening up 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:08.480 investigations into everyone that was in and around the insurrection. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:12.599 So whether it is Josh Hally that gave his fist 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:17.320 of support and also I apparently gave tours right of 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.080 the Capitol building, whether it's Marjorie Taylor Green, whether it's 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:25.159 Jinny Thomas, why aren't these people Why isn't there an 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:30.480 open investigation? Because we are trying to pursue justice and 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:34.240 get to the bottom of exactly what it is that 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.840 happened on January sixth, who knew about it? And from 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:42.880 when Glenn is going to tell us that, you know what, Danielle, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.480 He says, there's more than enough evidence. There's more than 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:50.120 enough evidence to indict. And at this stage in the game, 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:53.479 I can't even come up with a reason as to 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.719 why we are still in the position that we're in, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:06:00.320 which is stalled, other than the fact that Merrit Arlon, 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.240 like Joe Biden, like the rest of Democrats have no 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:09.239 fucking spine, right have no desire to ruffle anybody's feathers, 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.760 and they believe that ignoring the problem is how it 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:21.200 goes away, as opposed to dealing with it. Folks, we 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:28.360 are in terrible shape. We are in terrible shape as 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:33.479 a nation. As we profess to you want to uphold 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:38.679 democracy around the world while ours is crumbling. We are 0:06:40.839 --> 0:06:45.719 in trouble in so many different ways. And you know, 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.160 I wish that I could press fast forward. I wish 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.560 that this was like a Netflix show or Hulu or 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.360 whatever fucking streaming platform, where I could just press forward 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.920 and know whether or not we get a Hollywood ending, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:05.560 whether or not those of us who have watched how 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:11.880 our justice system arbitrarily chooses who is innocent and who 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:15.800 is not based on what their complexion and their bank account, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.560 we've watched as politicians now at the state level are 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.920 rolling out some of the most egregious abortion laws that 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:32.040 we've ever seen that don't even that don't even make 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:39.080 room for the health or wellbeing of a child right 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:46.040 or for the mother in cases of rape incest. Nothing. 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.880 You're having that baby, regardless of what position you are in. 0:07:51.320 --> 0:08:01.240 You are being forced into labor climate change of police reform, 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:07.000 no voting rights. But yet this administration wants to congratulate 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.280 itself on passing an anti lynching bill, which should have 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:21.280 been passed fifty years ago. It wasn't resigning the Violence 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:25.400 Against Women Act, which is great, but not allowing women 0:08:25.400 --> 0:08:28.920 to have abortions is also violence, right, but we're not. 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.560 Let's not talk about that. So you're doing all of 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:38.440 these low hanging fruit like things that look good or 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.520 sound good but don't actually have any teeth to them. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:47.720 Put Maya Angelou on a coin, Harriet Tubman on a bill. 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:53.480 Juneteenth is a federal holiday. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is telling 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.319 his supporters to lay down their lives to stop critical 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:02.840 race theory, which isn't happening. And because Democrats didn't have 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:08.439 a defense for the pushback in Virginia on critical race theory, 0:09:08.720 --> 0:09:12.280 we know, and Donald Trump knows, and Republican knows. It 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:14.640 doesn't matter if it's true, It just matters if you 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:21.080 can fucking sell it. So, folks, we are at a 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:29.600 place in our politics, in our quest for justice, on 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:39.040 our march for the perfecting of this union. And I'm 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:41.760 just gonna be honest with you, I don't see it 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:48.880 going well. And I don't know what this means. I 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.920 don't even care about Democrats right now. I don't know 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:58.120 what it means for us. I am really, really incredibly 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:04.440 worried about America, like staying up at night worried about 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:08.400 America because the people that are supposed to be in 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:13.280 charge of our well being are not. The people that 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.480 are supposed to care right and protect our rights are 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:23.640 not there is now the latest is a law to 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:28.280 what persecute people who travel out of state in order 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:32.240 to seek an abortion, So meaning that in this democracy 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 that we supposedly live in, there's actually no freedom of 0:10:35.240 --> 0:10:41.120 movement for women or people with uterus is because this 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:45.040 is China and we can dictate people's movements right and 0:10:45.800 --> 0:10:51.000 threaten them with persecution. There's no pushback at the federal 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:57.240 level from this. We have no mention whatsoever of all 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:00.680 of the harms that Republicans are doing at the state 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:05.079 and at the federal level. So I'm sitting around waiting 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.839 for justice to prevail from the Department of Justice as 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:11.680 it pertains to the insurrection, and I'm like, but there's 0:11:11.720 --> 0:11:16.120 no desire. I think that we are the only people 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:21.760 left who actually give a damn, And so what does 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:29.679 that say. You know, folks, I really hope that this 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:35.120 coming weekend that you take a deep break, that you 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:37.400 take a break from all of this. Turn off the news, 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:42.000 turn off Twitter, you know, go enjoy the birth of spring, 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:49.040 Go see some tulips, some you know, versioning of tree bulbs. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.480 Like I don't know, but take a break from all 0:11:52.640 --> 0:12:01.040 of this painstaking, heartbreaking nonsense, because I find that I 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.040 feel crazy these days, even more so because I keep 0:12:04.120 --> 0:12:06.559 trying to make sense out of things that just plainly 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:11.720 don't make sense anymore. They just don't make sense. You 0:12:11.760 --> 0:12:14.240 can tell me why Democrats have an action. You can 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.520 tell me why they want to throw progresses under the 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.360 bus as opposed to the Conservatives that are the ones 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:21.960 that are stopping the Biden agenda. You can tell me 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:24.280 all of these things, but it just doesn't make sense. 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.640 And so I'm left wondering. You know, what the next 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.680 couple of months look like when the Supreme Court lays 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:38.520 out all of their decisions that are essentially going to 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:46.880 change the landscape of America for the worse. I am 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:51.320 deeply concerned, and so I ask all of you to 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:55.680 take a break, you know, send us in the comments 0:12:55.760 --> 0:12:58.240 section like what are you doing? What are your plans 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.080 for joy? What is your plan for happiness? Like are 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:03.760 you going to go visit grandkids? Or you go into 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:06.000 a park, You're going on a walk, you go into 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.640 a concert, whatever it is, share it, Share your joy 0:13:09.840 --> 0:13:12.360 so that we can marinate in something other than the 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:15.960 bullshit that is happening right now, folks. Coming up next, 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.360 our friend Glenn Kirshner, MSNBC Legal analysts and host of 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:24.360 Justice Matters, will walk us through the latest and greatest 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:30.400 in legal news. Folks. You know that when I have 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:34.320 the opportunity to speak with our friend MSNBC Legal analysts 0:13:34.320 --> 0:13:36.959 and the host of Justice Matters, Glenn Kirshner, I am 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:42.000 always overwhelmed and excited to delve into the latest legal 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:47.040 news because we're sitting around wondering, waiting. Is the Department 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:51.480 of Justice in operation? Is it working? So Glenn, where 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.040 are we? Where do you see things right now? We 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:59.400 last spoke a couple of weeks ago. We heard about 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.840 the House Commission and their pronouncement in court about the 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:07.280 possibility of their being criminal charges. We've kind of left 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.720 it there, so let's pick up from there, which was 0:14:10.760 --> 0:14:13.360 two weeks ago. One would think it would have been 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.240 bigger news, but then you know, Europe went to war. 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:20.560 So where are we right right now in terms of 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.520 the gathering phase and thinking that the Department of Justice 0:14:24.640 --> 0:14:28.360 is going to begin to move on the higher ring 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:32.800 of the insurrectionists. Yeah, it was pretty interesting when Congress 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.600 filed a brief in court saying that there's ample evidence 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:40.840 to charge Donald Trump with a number of crimes. You 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:46.200 know that at least we now see two of the 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.640 coequal branches of government going on record as saying Donald 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:52.400 Trump committed all sorts of crimes and should be held accountable. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.400 Congress has now said that in a formal legal filing, 0:14:55.840 --> 0:14:58.560 and the federal judges have been virtually screaming it from 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:04.120 the rooftops, saying things like, as Judge Mata said, Donald 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.920 Trump's conduct on January sixth was the very essence of 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:12.400 a conspiracy Judge Mata's word. The problem is it is 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.040 the third branch of government that has the power to prosecute, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:19.520 the executive branch through the Department of Justice. They've been prosecuting, 0:15:19.920 --> 0:15:22.280 but they haven't been working their way up the criminal 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.920 ladder as quickly as we would like them too. There 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.080 have been some important developments, Daniel, since we last spoke, 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:34.840 Guy Reffitt was convicted. Not only convicted on all counts, 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:37.440 he was convicted on all counts by the jury in 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:42.560 record time. Lest anybody make the argument, and I try 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:44.760 to shoot it down every time I see it, that 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:48.000 we can never impanel a fair and impartial jury to 0:15:48.120 --> 0:15:53.000 try these quasi political cases, we can, and the Department 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:56.360 of Justice just did, because in less than four hours 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:59.960 a jury convicted Guy Reffit of all counts, including abstruct 0:16:00.680 --> 0:16:07.600 the congressional count of the electoral vote. And the most 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.800 important takeaway from that is Guy Refit didn't even make 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:13.440 his way into the Capitol that day, and yet he 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:18.160 was convicted of obstructing the congressional count of the electoral vote. 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.200 Now we see on the heels of that, the Department 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:27.400 of Justice indicting Enriquetario, who wasn't even in DC on 0:16:27.480 --> 0:16:31.000 the day of the insurrection. So Merrick Garland at least 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.040 is making good on his promise to charge people whether 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.800 they were at the Capitol that day or not. Enriquetario 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.240 was not even in the city that day. He's been charged. 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.040 And I think even more importantly, there's a Tario development 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.800 that I'm hoping there's a sign of things to come, 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.200 because in a twenty page motion for detention, they want 0:16:51.200 --> 0:16:56.280 to keep Tario jailed pending trial. The prosecutors quote Donald 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.400 Trump's come to DC on January six will be wild 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:04.240 waked as the motivator. The day after he sent that tweet, 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:08.560 the Proud Boys mobilized. Here's what is coming into full 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:12.640 focus for me, Danielle. We see a Donald Trump conspiracy 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.120 in three steps or in three acts. If we go 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:20.280 back to September twenty ninth, the debate with Joe Biden. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:25.560 That was the day Donald Trump recruited the Proud Boys. 0:17:25.720 --> 0:17:29.840 He said, Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. That's 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:35.800 Act one, yep. On December nineteenth, he activated the Proud 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:38.520 Boys and set the date of the attack. Come to 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:44.440 DC January sixth, will be. On January sixth, he deployed, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.520 the Proud Boys. Go to the Capitol. Stop what's going 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.200 on in the building. Fight like hell, or you won't 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:55.520 have a country anymore. That's a conspiracy indictment in three 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.560 acts that rights itself against Donald Trump. Danielle, and I've 0:17:59.560 --> 0:18:02.000 been I was on with Zerlina the other night, laying 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.760 out this timeline and what I think is compelling evidence 0:18:05.800 --> 0:18:11.280 of Donald Trump's calledpability for the crime of seditious conspiracy 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.600 and inciting an insurrection. I still believe DJ is going 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:17.520 to get there. They're not going to get there quickly enough. 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.000 And the reason I say they're not getting there quickly 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.159 enough is because Donald Trump had another one of his 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.800 hate rallies last week where he endangered the lives of 0:18:26.800 --> 0:18:30.600 our nation's teachers by telling his supporters, you need to 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:35.000 lay down your lives. Donald Trump's words to fight critical 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:37.680 race theory being taught in our schools, which it really 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:42.000 isn't and frankly it should be. But he's endangering teachers 0:18:42.000 --> 0:18:44.760 because think about it. When he said you have to 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:46.359 go to the Capitol and fight like hell, or you 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:50.080 won't have a country anymore. Look at what his supporters did. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:52.720 Now he says you have to lay down your lives 0:18:53.080 --> 0:18:55.119 to fight critical race theory or you won't have a 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.680 country anymore. What do we expect his supporters to do 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:05.080 behind that directive. So that's why I say not quickly enough, 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.080 because Donald Trump needs to be neutralized as the threat 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:12.520 to the nation that he is. You know, Glenn, what's 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:16.399 frustrating to me, and I think that many listeners as well, 0:19:17.000 --> 0:19:21.400 is the fact that Donald Trump is a present threat, right, 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:25.120 that there has been no time since he has left 0:19:25.160 --> 0:19:27.840 office where he has opened up his mouth and has 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:31.560 not put people at risk, whether he's talking about COVID, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:35.160 whether he is, you know, three weeks before the invasion 0:19:35.200 --> 0:19:39.359 in the Ukraine, he is, you know, applauding Vladimir Putin 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:44.000 right in as the kind of leader that this country needs, 0:19:45.080 --> 0:19:48.400 and now attacking teachers. I mean, none of this is new. 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:53.520 My thing, though, is this when you Act one has 0:19:53.560 --> 0:19:57.240 been something that has not been addressed publicly for quite 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:00.320 some time, that you laid out Act one when Donald 0:20:00.320 --> 0:20:03.000 Trump when all of us were watching the debate and 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:08.960 a gas because everyone could see very clearly what that was, right, 0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.280 stand back and stand by. I don't need a criminal 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:15.760 degree right to understand what it was that Donald Trump 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:19.000 was signaling. Except I keep being I keep being told 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.640 right that, you know, we have to be judicious about this. 0:20:23.720 --> 0:20:26.120 We have to you know, be able to show evidence, 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:29.679 we have to do all of these things. And I'm saying, Glenn, 0:20:29.680 --> 0:20:33.840 how is Donald Trump, in his own words on videotape 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:38.880 at rallies at debates not enough to move forward? How 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.639 is it that I continue to hear that, Well, we 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:44.000 have to, we have to be able to explain intent. 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:48.439 As if a jury of twelve people are that aloof that, 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:52.280 they would have no idea what Donald Trump is directing 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:55.800 people to do when he is very clear at the 0:20:55.840 --> 0:21:00.199 debate and at rallies up until last week, about what 0:21:00.240 --> 0:21:02.960 he wants his supporters to do. So tell me what 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.240 is it? What is it? What is the magic what's 0:21:05.280 --> 0:21:08.440 the magic binder of intent that I'm waiting for here? 0:21:09.840 --> 0:21:12.560 I can't answer that question because we have enough evidence 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:14.960 to move forward. We have had enough evidence to move 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.679 forward for a very long time, Danielle. The fact that 0:21:19.720 --> 0:21:25.399 we're not it's it's part of DJ's culture, unfortunately, to 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:30.200 be too circumspect, to be timid at times, to fear 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:34.440 doing something that is unprecedented. There's one thing that prosecutors, 0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.200 federal prosecutors hate, it's to take a maiden legal voyage 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:41.840 where something has never been done before, because they don't 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:45.040 like to lose, they don't like to be criticized, And 0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:52.399 unfortunately that creates a culture of hesitation. And you know what, 0:21:53.040 --> 0:21:55.760 I can only assume because intent is not an issue here. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:22:00.680 When Bill Barr out on his reputation rempartation to says, 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.640 I told Donald Trump, and I'm going to use Bill 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.520 Barr's term, even though I'm I'm sorry to see that 0:22:08.080 --> 0:22:10.879 media outlets are giving him voice. I really am sorry 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:14.240 to see that. But what he's been saying is I 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.840 told Donald Trump to his face that his claims of 0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:22.879 election fraud were quote B s. And after that, Donald 0:22:22.880 --> 0:22:26.200 Trump continued to lie about election fraud. So you can 0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:31.960 prove his criminal intent in your sleep. So I get 0:22:32.040 --> 0:22:34.800 so tired of the naysayers, Oh, intent is so hard 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:36.480 to prove. No, it's not. I did it for thirty 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.320 years with far less evidence than we have against Donald Trump. 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:45.640 The only thing I can there's no logical explanation, right, 0:22:47.200 --> 0:22:49.920 thirty years I told, I told my juries for thirty years. 0:22:49.960 --> 0:22:52.399 Then ye, ladies and gentlemen, don't fall into the trap 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:57.240 of trying to make the defendant's crimes makes sense, right, 0:22:57.400 --> 0:22:59.800 because if we had to prove they made sense, no 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:04.679 body would ever be convicted because crime doesn't make sense. Well, 0:23:04.800 --> 0:23:07.200 it doesn't make sense that DOJ is waiting this long 0:23:07.240 --> 0:23:10.000 and putting our nation at risk The only thing I 0:23:10.000 --> 0:23:13.359 can think of is that they are looking to drop 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:18.600 an enormous conspiracy indictment on everybody, so in part they 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.480 can do what we call a coordinated takedown. The one 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:23.919 thing I will say is, prosecutors, if you're dealing with 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:27.440 a huge gang investigation, and I've handled cases like that, 0:23:28.080 --> 0:23:30.760 you need to time a coordinated takedown because if you 0:23:31.320 --> 0:23:35.160 arrest one person, then the other ten or twelve or 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:38.440 fifty people are going to scatter. They're gonna flee, they're 0:23:38.440 --> 0:23:40.640 going to destroy evidence, they're gonna go after witnesses, they're 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:43.720 gonna warn their co co conspirators, they're gonna So you 0:23:43.920 --> 0:23:47.320 try to do it all at once. Maybe that's what 0:23:47.400 --> 0:23:51.040 DOJ is waiting to do. They're gonna drop the hammer 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.600 on everybody all at once, to a coordinated takedown with 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:59.000 coordinated search warrants, and then we're gonna have a big 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:01.840 old conspiracy case in court. I don't know that I 0:24:01.920 --> 0:24:09.399 even buy that a sufficient explanation, but it is one possibility. 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.360 You know. Here's my other question too. How many books 0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:17.240 have come out of the Trump administration, right, Like, how 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:23.800 many people have denied subpoenas? Have you withheld information? So 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.880 that they can make a buck. Right now, Bill Barr's 0:24:26.960 --> 0:24:31.760 book is number one for New York Times nonfiction, right, 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:36.520 and Bill Barr knew exactly what he was doing. I'm 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:40.120 going to sell my secrets, my thoughts to the highest bidder, 0:24:40.480 --> 0:24:42.800 make a couple of million million off of it, and 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:45.879 be on my way, right because the Department of Justice 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:48.600 isn't doing anything. He knows good god damn well that 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:50.879 they have enough evidence to do anything. So how is 0:24:50.920 --> 0:24:54.320 it that Bill Barr, a man who stood up before 0:24:54.359 --> 0:24:57.960 the American people lied about the contents of the Mulla Report, 0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:02.520 then was able to capitalize on his lies that he did, 0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:06.720 being Trump's personal lawyer, is able to do a book, 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:11.440 not be indicted, not be investigated. How does this happen, Glenn? 0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.960 I don't know. But the only thing lower than Bill 0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:19.639 Barr's credibility is Bill Barr's self respect. I mean lower 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.640 than whale droppings. Because Bill Barr actually said in one 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.919 of these interviews Donald Trump was unhinged and dangerous and 0:25:28.080 --> 0:25:31.960 I'd vote for him again. So you can't explain a 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:36.240 human being like that, nor can you. Other than all 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.800 you care about is money and power and building the theocracy. 0:25:40.840 --> 0:25:45.080 You always wanted to build in the federal government. What 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:49.840 I can't explain, though, is the Department of Justice is 0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:57.160 in action, presently in action regarding all of it, all 0:25:57.160 --> 0:26:00.639 of the crimes that we've seen. I don't understand. You know, 0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:06.080 if you fail to hold criminal politicians leaders of the 0:26:06.200 --> 0:26:09.360 country accountable for their crimes, you know what you get. 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:14.600 You get Vladimir Putin because he's committed crimes, including against 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:17.840 his own people, and the machinery of his government will 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:20.399 not hold him accountable because he's a dictator and an 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:25.960 autocrat and a murderous thug. And that is where things lead. 0:26:26.680 --> 0:26:29.040 If you don't hold Donald Trump accountable, we're going to 0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:33.639 go the same way. It couldn't be more obvious. So 0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:36.760 at some point DJ is going to have to step up. 0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:40.840 I still believe they will, but I thought they would 0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:45.240 a year ago. And you know, I keep being told that, 0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:48.359 you know, the Department of Justice is not operating on 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:52.800 the midterm election. You know, calendar right that although the 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:55.080 rest of us are looking around and saying, I'm not 0:26:55.160 --> 0:26:59.159 quite sure what Democrats are running on because it cannot 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:01.960 be law and order, because you haven't done anything right 0:27:02.040 --> 0:27:05.280 to preserve law and order or to reinstall it, frankly 0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:10.080 in this country. And so you know, is your feeling 0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.920 that if Republicans, which is more more likely than not, 0:27:15.359 --> 0:27:18.560 take over the take over Congress, take back the House 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.399 in the Senate, that if we didn't get things done 0:27:22.880 --> 0:27:26.240 at this time by the Department of Justice within the 0:27:26.280 --> 0:27:29.680 next eight months, is your feeling that, oh, well, we 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.560 have two years left? Is that? Is that the Is 0:27:32.600 --> 0:27:35.440 that the upside that oh, okay, well we didn't get 0:27:35.480 --> 0:27:37.959 it done in time for November twenty twenty two, but 0:27:38.200 --> 0:27:42.159 we have until I guess November twenty twenty four. Like, 0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.959 is that is that the feeling? Yeah? So, first of all, 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.440 the Department of Justice does not operate on a political calendar. 0:27:49.359 --> 0:27:52.760 It doesn't do business by upcoming elections, and that's the 0:27:52.800 --> 0:27:56.520 way it should be. What I and I happen to 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:58.919 believe the Dems are going to hold a House. I'm sorry, 0:27:58.960 --> 0:28:02.200 but that's the way I felt. I feel I could 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:06.439 be wrong. Lots of political pundits and experts believe the 0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:12.280 Republicans will win the House. If the Republicans win the House, technically, 0:28:13.080 --> 0:28:15.800 the Department of Justice will still be headed up by 0:28:15.880 --> 0:28:19.720