Speaker 1: Hi, it's wheezy. No, this isn't a Horrible Decisions episode.
Speaker 1: But a few months ago, I started a fun pod
Speaker 1: with my friend Eddie dellas Seppi and I haven't dropped
Speaker 1: some content on this speed in a while, and I
Speaker 1: feel like y'all will really love this episode. So Eddie
Speaker 1: and I came up with a concept for for fact
Speaker 1: sake to be an educational podcast where basically we google
Speaker 1: the ship out of a topic so you don't have to.
Speaker 1: You guys have about twenty episodes to binge if you like.
Speaker 1: We've done money, Animals, Weird Laws, Will Smith, Eggs, Tiger Kings, Twins,
Speaker 1: Random Ship. But this week we talk about cults and
Speaker 1: when I tell you, I thought this was some WPS,
Speaker 1: turns out black people got a cult to Who knew
Speaker 1: y'all are really gonna love this. It's fun as ship,
Speaker 1: and honestly, Eddie's a way better comedian than I am,
Speaker 1: so that's really what amps to shut up. If your
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Speaker 1: You mother Factors. Hey, what's going on? And everybody, thanks
Speaker 1: so much for tuning into facts sake. I'm Eddie, This
Speaker 1: is Wheezy, and this is the show where we take
Speaker 1: a random topic and we google the facts so you
Speaker 1: don't have to before we get into the episode. I
Speaker 1: want to personally thank everyone that downloaded stream. We hit
Speaker 1: at a hundred thousand downloads. I wish we have that
Speaker 1: in dollars, but yeah, um, which is a great great
Speaker 1: thing for a podcast, and we did it in under
Speaker 1: twenty episodes, which is pretty pretty great if you think
Speaker 1: of it. I never did know with my old podcast.
Speaker 1: Super exciting because we're not famous, and so I feel
Speaker 1: like so many famous people get like a bunch of
Speaker 1: streams because they're famous, but we're not. We're just like
Speaker 1: really funny and like we have like great personalities, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like he lives in l A.
Speaker 1: Like it's just her riot and so I'm like honestly
Speaker 1: elated or whatever. This sounds like one of my first
Speaker 1: I when I used to go on first dates in
Speaker 1: l A when I first moved there. Like so you do.
Speaker 1: It's like you're an actor. No you're not, but like
Speaker 1: comedy is offensive, and that's offensive. I'm like, okay, did
Speaker 1: you ever do did you ever do dating apps in
Speaker 1: New York? I'm sure you did so. I am obsessed
Speaker 1: with dating apps. Really. I think the majority of guys
Speaker 1: I've sucked in the last five years living in New
Speaker 1: York came from dating apps and women, Wow, which ones
Speaker 1: were you on? Riya was the last one. I was
Speaker 1: on Bumble, Hinge, Tinder, pal venmol oh Man, No, My Sugar, Daddy,
Speaker 1: Dad Cash. But I was on Let's see when I
Speaker 1: was a real broke, I was on Seeking Arrangement. I
Speaker 1: was an app called What's Your Price? What Dude? These
Speaker 1: guys would like pay to go on dates with me,
Speaker 1: and it was like they were so ugly and it
Speaker 1: was never like a lot of money. I lived in
Speaker 1: Land at the time. It was like oh yeah, eight
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever, and they would just like pay me
Speaker 1: to go eat. I was on you know, I was
Speaker 1: on a Hinge, Tinder, Bumble fuck j Swipe, Uh no,
Speaker 1: I don't um, but yeah, dating apps were not the
Speaker 1: idea we should do one day an episode on dating
Speaker 1: apps because we talked about it, and remember I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like we're not going to get enough facts.
Speaker 1: But I think now that I'm thinking about it, like
Speaker 1: we could just pick certain apps we could do this,
Speaker 1: We could do dating apps, we could and then it
Speaker 1: would probably spark stories from like dates we've had and
Speaker 1: like oh my god, I met a guy off this one,
Speaker 1: or oh my god, I knew something. There's there's a
Speaker 1: for fact sake I wanted to do recently, and my
Speaker 1: friend looked at me and she was like, are you
Speaker 1: out of your fucking mind? So, for those of you
Speaker 1: who don't know, I'm my father's Israeli and I was
Speaker 1: raised Jewish and only saying that to like keep myself
Speaker 1: from getting canceled. So I've been watching Unorthodox on Netflix
Speaker 1: and every time, oh my god, amazing. Right, we talked
Speaker 1: about it on here. We were talking about how we
Speaker 1: both cried at the end. So like every time I've
Speaker 1: in Williamsburg, I'm like, oh my god, this is just
Speaker 1: like they're they're right here. This is real. Right. I
Speaker 1: was like, we got to do an episode on the Jews.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you don't, bitch, She's like, absolutely not.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well it doesn't count because technically
Speaker 1: I am, but then she's like, no, no one cares,
Speaker 1: So we should definitely do a religion one. And I
Speaker 1: think when we do that Jews segment, oh baby, I'll
Speaker 1: let you handle that one. I'm just gonna get back
Speaker 1: and not my head like yes, you know what it is,
Speaker 1: have such like much like Islamic religion. I feel like
Speaker 1: I don't need too many Catholics or Christians that are
Speaker 1: like they follow principles from hundreds of years ago. So
Speaker 1: when seeing someone just in modern time in New York
Speaker 1: City and you're right next to the guy who's like
Speaker 1: playing pop smoke and you know, and I just it's
Speaker 1: always like, oh my god, this is real. It's like
Speaker 1: Shabbat every day. It's so interesting whenever I see anyone
Speaker 1: of Hasidic sort of origin walking around New York City.
Speaker 1: When I was there, all I kept thinking was are
Speaker 1: you you're You're hot? Right, you're warm? You you must
Speaker 1: be sweating, you're fitzing you got And I can tell
Speaker 1: you this, my mom wears a wig. I have worn
Speaker 1: wigs in the summertime. You cannot. And when I see
Speaker 1: these women in wigs and masks, I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to take them both off for you girl, I get you. Um,
Speaker 1: what a great segue into our topic, which is cults.
Speaker 1: We're talking about religion, talking about cults now before we
Speaker 1: get into the topic, usually do fax about each other,
Speaker 1: but I want to get an opinion from you. Now.
Speaker 1: Usually a cult leader someone who's captivating, who's captured the
Speaker 1: imagination of a group of people, whether they're vulnerable or
Speaker 1: they're sort of people that are easily influenced. That being said,
Speaker 1: there are people out there that are that, these cold leaders,
Speaker 1: I mean they captivated a group of people to believe
Speaker 1: what they believe. Give me a celebrity, a person, an artist,
Speaker 1: whoever that you if they weren't famous, they're so charming
Speaker 1: captivated that do you think they could they could have
Speaker 1: let a cult Beyonce because technically, oh wait wait past
Speaker 1: for presents in at any point, at any point yeah Beyonce. Um,
Speaker 1: just one second, want to move this to make sure
Speaker 1: it doesn't get to the mic. Beyonce, absolutely, because like
Speaker 1: I actually have a candle with her face on it,
Speaker 1: and she looks like Jesus, and I feel like there's
Speaker 1: no one else I worship that's like a celebrity like Beyonce.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's actually quite disgusting. But I've called her bess.
Speaker 1: You know that's a really do you have a candle
Speaker 1: for her too? If you like? This is the kind
Speaker 1: of part I'm talking about. If she wasn't famous, you
Speaker 1: would you still look up to her? I think you
Speaker 1: would if if just someone who would like you just
Speaker 1: know through a friend like, oh, I want to be
Speaker 1: her best friend. Not to mention, like, I think Beyonce
Speaker 1: has a lot of ideals we like she represents sisterhood,
Speaker 1: girl power. She's a mom, she's a wife, but she's
Speaker 1: still sexy, Like you're so enamored by someone like that.
Speaker 1: And she's an activist so that's like those other things too,
Speaker 1: and she's hot. But Will Smith was the other one
Speaker 1: that was on my on my mind just now. Actually
Speaker 1: really you think, like you just met Will Smith was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: you want tohow me fifty bucks, you'd be like yes,
Speaker 1: Like how could you not? It's Will the Fox Smith, Dude.
Speaker 1: I get entangled with that guy for sure. I think
Speaker 1: Ryan Reynolds could start a start a cult if he
Speaker 1: wasn't famous either, either. Ryan, if they're just like they're
Speaker 1: just Ryan. Ryan Reynolds is the guy who's like played
Speaker 1: a green lantern. He's like the funny one. Yes he
Speaker 1: played Deadpool. Yes, he's just so good looking guy charming. God,
Speaker 1: they look alike. I know, all these hot white guys,
Speaker 1: but like Ryan Goslin looked at me the eyes like
Speaker 1: you're really funny and do you mind driving me somewhere?
Speaker 1: Like yes, yes, And so you guys, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: paid this week and um let me even my routing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah one second, yeah, yeah, yeah, of course you
Speaker 1: don't mind like lending me like half the money make
Speaker 1: this year, right, you want more than half. Just something
Speaker 1: about these people that are so I'm not saying these
Speaker 1: people could start a cult, but they have qualities of
Speaker 1: people that could lead people, because for the most part,
Speaker 1: most people are mundane, right, Let's be honest, Like most
Speaker 1: people we meet every day, they're not that memorable. But
Speaker 1: there are moments where you do meet someone that's very striking,
Speaker 1: and that's a fucking cult leader right there. That's a
Speaker 1: that's it's It's like, even if we're going to talk
Speaker 1: about people that run for presidents or like run for
Speaker 1: any kind of campaign, like they've all got some sort
Speaker 1: of star power. Donald Trump could easily be a cult leader. Right.
Speaker 1: He makes you feel like Obama was just so cool. Man,
Speaker 1: He's just so cool. Okay. See, I feel like I
Speaker 1: joined a cult of his on accident. Like he I'd
Speaker 1: be playing pick up basketball with him and then next
Speaker 1: thing and I'm like running his errands. Yeah, yeah, did
Speaker 1: you did you? Did you tell her the right? Okay? Yeah? Um,
Speaker 1: make sure you get the tailored pants. Now we were
Speaker 1: just he said. It was a great segue cults from
Speaker 1: religion because a cult is a term that doesn't refer
Speaker 1: to a religion at all, but it's more applied to
Speaker 1: a social movement. So those who accept beliefs and rituals
Speaker 1: a member of the religion after they accept it, so
Speaker 1: outside of it, it's considered a cult. However, the word
Speaker 1: cult means a sense to a system of virtual practices.
Speaker 1: It was first used in the early seventeenth century and
Speaker 1: it was mean to paid homage to a certain divinity um,
Speaker 1: and cults came from the Latin word cultists, which means
Speaker 1: worship um. But really, ac cult is just a newly
Speaker 1: started religious movement. One thing I found really interesting the
Speaker 1: founder of I Hop created a list to differentiate between
Speaker 1: religious community and a cult. This why did. I tried
Speaker 1: to figure it out, and I was wondering because like,
Speaker 1: like nothing was really factual that was popping up. So
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get down what I saw, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I wonder if they was coming in, Ah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna trying to get a deployee. So one opposing
Speaker 1: critical thinking and not by the way, when I read
Speaker 1: that at first, I was like, oh, maybe they mean
Speaker 1: like what everyone's thinking, mainstream thinking. No, it's opposing critical
Speaker 1: thinking to isolating members and penalizing them for leaving, emphasizing
Speaker 1: special doctrines outside the scripture, UH, seeking inappropriate loyalty to
Speaker 1: their leaders, dishonoring the family unit, crossing biblical boundaries, um
Speaker 1: of behavior versus sexual purity, and personal own a ship,
Speaker 1: which is normally what we have. But instead it's more
Speaker 1: so like you follow what we say instead of winning
Speaker 1: your own body and separation from the church. Which is
Speaker 1: interesting because almost every cult I look up kind of
Speaker 1: was like about God as we know him, Like even
Speaker 1: Waco is like an offset of seventy adventice people. What
Speaker 1: they do, what some of these cults do is they go, hey,
Speaker 1: you guys, like Jesus, well you know what I know
Speaker 1: the guy and they're like, do you Broy Like I'm
Speaker 1: like me him are close. I talked to him every week.
Speaker 1: I mean I could tell you what he tells me.
Speaker 1: And they're like please, and they're like boom. Look it's
Speaker 1: like it's you know what it is. They can't be
Speaker 1: a God, but they can be the God the guy.
Speaker 1: But between them and God and then which is I
Speaker 1: don't want to say this, but like a reverend, a priest,
Speaker 1: someone who teaches scripture, but they but these cult leaders,
Speaker 1: they feel like, no, no, I'm not just teaching scripture.
Speaker 1: I am him persona. They're like God came to me,
Speaker 1: Like I mean any black church I've ever been to,
Speaker 1: Like you know what God taught me is one. It's
Speaker 1: like damn he was talking to you too. Like ship,
Speaker 1: I mean this ship is real. But um, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: kick it off this week and start a little heavy,
Speaker 1: please heavy heavy, like the first day of a period.
Speaker 1: Please heavy. A lot of cults. So a lot of
Speaker 1: cults that um, we I feel like we hear about
Speaker 1: or like we're watching on fucking Netflix or whatever. It's
Speaker 1: always someone dying, right, Like it's always some weird as
Speaker 1: suicide and this one was super interesting to me. I
Speaker 1: picked my favorite to suicide, so Heaven's Gate. Some of
Speaker 1: you may have heard of it, some of you may not.
Speaker 1: Marshall Apple White and Bonnie Nettles, do they sound like
Speaker 1: they're in a cult? Yes. In the seventies they were
Speaker 1: a cult that had come a complicated belief set involving
Speaker 1: alien spaceships and recycling of planet Earth. Interesting enough, kind
Speaker 1: of like scientology. But anyway. After Bonnie died in eighty five,
Speaker 1: he took the group to further extremes In nineties seven,
Speaker 1: and he began claiming that a spacecraft was following the
Speaker 1: hail Pop comet and it would carry the Heaven's Gate
Speaker 1: members to the next level of existence. While renting a
Speaker 1: home in San Diego, him and thirty eight followers died
Speaker 1: by suicide by taking It's called Pheno bar Biddle fame
Speaker 1: of Barbiddle mixed with apple sauce. Something weird about this
Speaker 1: cauld They all wore the same uniform and Nike shoes,
Speaker 1: and they had five dollars and seventy five cents in
Speaker 1: their pocket. I tried to find why they had that
Speaker 1: amount of money, and nothing was consistent, so I didn't
Speaker 1: want to add it to for fact's sake. However, Wait,
Speaker 1: they all had the same amount of money in their pockets,
Speaker 1: exactly five dollars seventy five cents, and it doesn't there's
Speaker 1: nothing consistent as to why it's that amount. Um. But
Speaker 1: the Heaven's Gate website still exists. It's maintained by two
Speaker 1: of the followers originally. What's interesting about it is the
Speaker 1: cult promise that members wouldn't have to die to ascend
Speaker 1: to a higher plane. However, according to the BBC, members
Speaker 1: were um told that they'd be I'm sorry. Members were
Speaker 1: told they be able to exit their containers a k
Speaker 1: their bodies without resorting to suicide. They hope to be
Speaker 1: beamed up into space, taking their bodies with them into
Speaker 1: the Next Level, as members called their version of the afterlife.
Speaker 1: In the eighties, when the Bonnie died of cancer and
Speaker 1: when he amended the teachings, he was basically saying, they'll
Speaker 1: be given a new body, um, and so that's how
Speaker 1: he kind of got them to do the suicide. The
Speaker 1: other weird thing about this one the next level was
Speaker 1: a place without gender, and that led to castration. Him
Speaker 1: and members underwent the procedure, and they to help ensure
Speaker 1: they remain celibate for purity. And uh, here's what's interesting.
Speaker 1: Apple White who was fired. That's the guy who was
Speaker 1: like made everybody killed themselves. He was fired as a
Speaker 1: music professor at a University of St. Thomas, Okay in
Speaker 1: the seventies after they learned he had sex with a
Speaker 1: male student student. So he went to go seek a
Speaker 1: cure for his homosexual urges. He wanted to find a
Speaker 1: way to have a platonic relationship where he could develop
Speaker 1: his full potential without sexual entanglements. Second time I've heard
Speaker 1: that word this month. Castration, he believed would make it easier. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: the group insulted a strict no sex, no human level relationships,
Speaker 1: no socializing rule. What's up with these cults that say
Speaker 1: no sex? Well, it's where some of them are either
Speaker 1: no sex or funk everyone, right, It's either or or.
Speaker 1: Some of these cults what they do is they go
Speaker 1: no sex except for me the leader. Ye like Waco
Speaker 1: Like Waco Like yeah, Like it's it's just like they're
Speaker 1: the centralized figures. Waco And I know that I just
Speaker 1: asked you briefly the names of yours, but I didn't
Speaker 1: want to cover the ones from Netflix because I feel
Speaker 1: like those are the ones have been so publicized. Waco,
Speaker 1: like seventy something people died. You guys probably saw it.
Speaker 1: If you have a great documentary documentary where only they
Speaker 1: could suck that leader and then the raj Nishe's from
Speaker 1: Wild Wild Country, also amazing documentary. They were sucking on
Speaker 1: the streets, they were fucking everywhere. They had a free everywhere.
Speaker 1: So it's like, I mean, if I had between cults,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick like the cults me too. Yeah, call
Speaker 1: me crazy, but I'm not really into like, cut my
Speaker 1: dick off for god cults. Do you want to be
Speaker 1: an alien and give us your dick? Yeah? I do? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can I so wait this container quote unquote body will
Speaker 1: have a new body? Will that new container have? Everybody
Speaker 1: want to know where they put the dicks? Though I'm
Speaker 1: looking for him, I'm just saying I want to know, like,
Speaker 1: once you cut one off, where's the guy does the
Speaker 1: does the leader keep him in a drawer like my
Speaker 1: mom used to keep my baby teeth. And he's like,
Speaker 1: I'll whip this ship out and send it to your
Speaker 1: old fucking job. If you don't get in line. Dude.
Speaker 1: What did they used to call the guy in a
Speaker 1: not it? Is it in cell? No? What's the word?
Speaker 1: What when your dick is cut off? And they were,
Speaker 1: they would call him that on Game of Thrones. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't watch The Game of Thrones
Speaker 1: is too much? What are you a person? What the
Speaker 1: fund is wrong? I'll join here? So Heaven's Gate. I
Speaker 1: remember that growing up. I remember that the leader apple
Speaker 1: Bomb is Apple Bomb or Applebeam Apple Gate. I remember
Speaker 1: you saw his look in his eyes, apple boy, he
Speaker 1: had such a glaze over his eyes. He looks so crazy.
Speaker 1: Look at the kind of guy that doesn't blink. Look
Speaker 1: at that too, Like he looked crazy. Eunick, that's what
Speaker 1: it's called. Yeah, And I remember watching the CNN show
Speaker 1: a camera going into like the bunk beds and showing
Speaker 1: all their Nike sneakers creeping up from the bottom of
Speaker 1: the blanket. What's up with the Nike ship? Like there's
Speaker 1: nothing consistent. Like I've been trying my best, like to
Speaker 1: not speculate the facts, and I really could not find
Speaker 1: something consistent. Maybe they went to like Ross and got
Speaker 1: a like a lot on a deal. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: someone from Nike was in the call and he was
Speaker 1: like and he's like, I got a hook up. The
Speaker 1: Nike decade was the name of the shoe. Um it
Speaker 1: says nothing. It just says there was a story of
Speaker 1: a Nike employee that sold the shoes to Heaven's Gate
Speaker 1: before the suicide. Um. But like yeah, they're not really
Speaker 1: saying like why, but sneaker heads are collecting the shoe
Speaker 1: because of it. Really yep. It says that the shoes
Speaker 1: were worn by the cultists and like after it happened,
Speaker 1: like that shoe basically became like an item, a cult
Speaker 1: collector's item. Oh my god, I feel you know, I
Speaker 1: think help they cow manipulated. These people are think about that,
Speaker 1: like me and you or anybody really you ever like
Speaker 1: you ever like go to like a you're trying to
Speaker 1: buy a car, or you're or even we're talking last
Speaker 1: time about like properties and stuff like that, and you
Speaker 1: know someone's trying to pull something over you and you
Speaker 1: can sense it. Well, here's the thing. When you're feeling
Speaker 1: very lost, I think, or you don't feel like you
Speaker 1: have a sense of home, Like for example, I was
Speaker 1: actually thinking because when I read the words social movement
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think of that I'm a
Speaker 1: part of his Black Lives Matter, right, And I was
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, this is extreme. But what if
Speaker 1: someone was like, Yo, you can live on a compound
Speaker 1: where it's only black people. We're all going to support
Speaker 1: each other. The food will be tasty, the music will
Speaker 1: be great. Like you come here, you're gonna feel like
Speaker 1: your home. There's gonna be no racism. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. We're gonna have our own stores,
Speaker 1: We're gonna make our own community. Join it. Would I
Speaker 1: be like, oh, that's sounds terrible. Or if I was
Speaker 1: soup feeling super oppressed, if I felt like society hated
Speaker 1: me for my black List and in blackness and I
Speaker 1: had no sense of community, what I do that cult?
Speaker 1: Lucky for me, I do feel a sense of community.
Speaker 1: Lucky for me, I do feel empowerment through my blackness.
Speaker 1: But if I did it, could I join that cult? Right?
Speaker 1: Because me saying that right now, it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're moving to Jamaica. Like it's sounds okay, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? So I feel like they've got to
Speaker 1: be selling the dream. And what if you're already like
Speaker 1: a believer of God, right you know? You know. I
Speaker 1: was talking to buddy, but we're driving by the Scientology
Speaker 1: building one time and I was like, man, how do
Speaker 1: they I don't get it. I know it sounds ignorant
Speaker 1: for me, but like or anybody, like, why are they
Speaker 1: doing this? And he looked at me and he said,
Speaker 1: because you don't have to, because everything's laid out for you.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? Like, there's some people that are
Speaker 1: like have real worries like where am I to go
Speaker 1: when I die? Where am I going to meet my
Speaker 1: next Where am I gonna meet my wife? Where? How
Speaker 1: am I going to raise my kids? Where am I
Speaker 1: going to live? What am I gonna do? And then
Speaker 1: and then someone says, I got it all figured out.
Speaker 1: Your wife or husband's here. This is what you wear,
Speaker 1: this is where you hang out. These are all your friends,
Speaker 1: this is what you listen to too. You don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with it. Your isolated or like you've
Speaker 1: had an addiction. You feel lost. And then somebody in
Speaker 1: a robe with Nike sneakers and hasn't blinked in two
Speaker 1: weeks goes, why I'll help you, and they're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you know. Oh my god, dude, they probably these probably
Speaker 1: these mothers. Probably that's everybody coming in here too late.
Speaker 1: You already ain't doing too well ship dude. When speaking
Speaker 1: of eye hoop, when I drove by an eyehopped, uh
Speaker 1: actually yesterday and they're doing outdoor dining in l A
Speaker 1: and they were eating in a parking lot of an
Speaker 1: eye hoop at that point, just eat at home. Are
Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me? What are you doing ie hooped
Speaker 1: parking lot? No? I don't mean like we just got
Speaker 1: a couple of pancakes and some star foam boxes that
Speaker 1: we ate on, like on the current. They had like
Speaker 1: seating outside with the tent, and there's people out there
Speaker 1: eating in the parking lot of an eyehop. I'm like,
Speaker 1: take it home, eat it in your car. I'm disgusting. Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like a hoop is just like at least let
Speaker 1: me eat some luxurious with some plants around or something
Speaker 1: the fucking strip mall parking lot. Imagine you're like eating
Speaker 1: in a parking lot of an eye hoop and then
Speaker 1: you just see like a fucking raccoon eating eating alongside
Speaker 1: you have the same meal, Like, Okay, it's time to
Speaker 1: go oh dude, I wanted to mention something. So I
Speaker 1: was reading all about these colds right and all this ship,
Speaker 1: and I was like, Yo, there's some crazy white people
Speaker 1: ship right. And then that made me say, I gotta
Speaker 1: find a black cult. And there's like one, because I
Speaker 1: feel like African Americans have a natural sense of suspicion
Speaker 1: to people that think there's a ship? What makes you
Speaker 1: the ship? Fuck you? They fucking run at every like
Speaker 1: like something like Plus, some feel like black people are
Speaker 1: gonna tellone ship gets a little suspect, they're gonna be like,
Speaker 1: you ain't about to get me, no, you know, and
Speaker 1: they're like one guy's like, I'm more of a easy guy.
Speaker 1: I'm not really wearing these nights, so I think I'm
Speaker 1: gone these ugly No. There's a if you've ever heard
Speaker 1: of the Black Israelites, they were like dresses or whatever. Um, well,
Speaker 1: it's called the Nation of Yahweh and they're like an
Speaker 1: offshoot of them, um and there's like maybe members, but
Speaker 1: it's I'm sorry dying out the lab. These guys basically
Speaker 1: like they're always outside of the subway and they always
Speaker 1: say some ships to me, like you don't need that
Speaker 1: weave in your head, Queen, I'm like, you'll need that
Speaker 1: fucking dress. Like, why are you talking about so rude?
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, wow, let's circle around this fucking disc jam.
Speaker 1: I think African American, especially American black people, have a
Speaker 1: sense of like, no, I don't really trust this, dude,
Speaker 1: Whereas I feel like why people are like on inflamer
Speaker 1: buying self infommercials, like oh my god, I have to
Speaker 1: get this thing, you know, like, Okay, relax, Susan, you
Speaker 1: don't need this, very very very I forgot about Heaven's Gate, dude,
Speaker 1: I forgot about that one. That one was like a
Speaker 1: wild one, and a lot of people died in that
Speaker 1: fucking community. Where was it again? What Utah? Where was
Speaker 1: it Utah? I don't know. Let me read m. San
Speaker 1: Diego is where he rented the house. Wow, damn, they
Speaker 1: died in San Diego. I mean that's not that that's
Speaker 1: not too bad. No, I just thought of figured it
Speaker 1: would be like some hicktown. Well. My first fact slash
Speaker 1: cult is one that I've never heard of, and I
Speaker 1: don't think you've ever heard of. It's called a remnant followship.
Speaker 1: Reminant Fellowship is an organization that began in in Memphis, Tennessee,
Speaker 1: as a weight loss program founded by Wo Shambling, a dietitian.
Speaker 1: The program, called Way Down Way as in W E
Speaker 1: I A I g H Workshop, use biblical principles to
Speaker 1: help overweight people regain control their diets and their bodies.
Speaker 1: Way Down Workshops were wildly you widely used by many
Speaker 1: evangelical churches across the country. Shamblin, the woman that ran,
Speaker 1: Gwen Schamblin and and others who believed in these principles
Speaker 1: began a church called the Remnant Fellowship Church in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So their focus is upon strict and complete obedience to
Speaker 1: God in every area. However, that obedience is often defined
Speaker 1: as obedience to Gwen ship Shamblin. So basically, listen to
Speaker 1: what I say because I'm listening to to God or
Speaker 1: whoever you believe right uh. To criticize or disagree with
Speaker 1: Shamblin in any area is to be out of the
Speaker 1: will of God under oath. Shamblin stated, to accuse me
Speaker 1: of being deceptive is very strong language because I've been
Speaker 1: led by God to do this. So many former members
Speaker 1: have been spoken out about the total control Gwen Shamblin
Speaker 1: maintains over their lives of church members. They were not
Speaker 1: allowed to read any material that was not written by her.
Speaker 1: They were not to listen to any music except made
Speaker 1: by her son, Michael Shamblin. Think about that, Are you
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? So it's like, hey, my SoundCloud rappers son.
Speaker 1: Every decision of the membership was to be approved by
Speaker 1: rejected by Gwinn Chamblin. And it's still going on today
Speaker 1: that they're still this sort of thing where like, see,
Speaker 1: this is what happens, right, Like, you have someone that
Speaker 1: changes your life. You're in a situation where like listen,
Speaker 1: i feel like I need to lose weight, I'm losing control.
Speaker 1: She helps you, and you, miraculously your body changes and
Speaker 1: in a way to to them, you are a god
Speaker 1: because you've transformed me. You've made me a better Stop
Speaker 1: because nobody praying it any Craig. No, But there are
Speaker 1: people that are dedicate to curbs. Uh the gym, dude.
Speaker 1: But the way that some way watch your stuff sounds
Speaker 1: though I know it's like it's like their bibles that
Speaker 1: little pen people are very and when you meet someone
Speaker 1: that's counting points or whatever, do you remember Oprah's commercial
Speaker 1: about love bread. Remember that's really popular, Like she does
Speaker 1: this fucking weight Watchers commercial and the way that she
Speaker 1: talks about bread, it's like she wants to fuck it.
Speaker 1: And people are like so enamored with Oprah and this ship,
Speaker 1: and everybody felt like she became so relatable after this ship,
Speaker 1: like it was so weird. Oh here it is, I
Speaker 1: found it. Oprah loves bread on YouTube. There's like so
Speaker 1: many lived. I don't deny myself bread. I have bread
Speaker 1: every day, love bread. I have eaten bread every single day.
Speaker 1: I have bread every day because I love bread. The
Speaker 1: grainiest nuttiest seven grain, nine grain seed bread, one slice
Speaker 1: of twelve grain bread. It's last very two points toes
Speaker 1: crazy seven grain COEs. She's like, I love bread. I
Speaker 1: have bread before bed. I have a bad getting in
Speaker 1: my pussy right now. I have Like can you imagine
Speaker 1: if you know who you lives with bread and then
Speaker 1: you fucking see Oprah. I'm like, yeah, I'm joining this
Speaker 1: ship too. They got you off bread girl. You ever
Speaker 1: meet someone's like in ta keto like hardcore and takeyo man,
Speaker 1: I did it and I had to join a keto face.
Speaker 1: I met a guy out here, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of these kind of dudes that was so in te keto.
Speaker 1: He was he was making his own jerky and keeping
Speaker 1: in his pockets every time he meets somebody. He was like,
Speaker 1: why are you eating that man? You don't get him.
Speaker 1: You don't know what's in that y Yeah, and he
Speaker 1: would just look people in the im be like I
Speaker 1: only eat eggs, deli meat, and and ground beef. That's it.
Speaker 1: Ye yeah, I've lost this munch pounds. I feel better,
Speaker 1: I look better. I'm like, bro, you're not blinking you
Speaker 1: ever done keto? I I have, but it's unsustainable. I
Speaker 1: can't keep that life up. When I was about to
Speaker 1: pass out at my last job, I remember this guy
Speaker 1: that was heavy on keto and like he had a
Speaker 1: bunch of protein paddle over. He just looked like a
Speaker 1: fucking asshole. He was like, yeah during katosis, Now this
Speaker 1: is what he's just like yelling at the streets. I
Speaker 1: mat katos as No. But like it's a really weird
Speaker 1: thing when people get like That's why I'm not shocked
Speaker 1: that this could have started off of food, because when
Speaker 1: people have a goal together, oh man, I mean like
Speaker 1: that's why I joined that face group group. I felt
Speaker 1: like I was going to die through katosis and I'm
Speaker 1: watching people be like yeah, I'm throwing up too. I
Speaker 1: was like, damn, I feel you. You're my sister. I
Speaker 1: wonder if there's a CrossFit cult out there. I wasn't
Speaker 1: surprised cross It already. Crossed Already is kind of a
Speaker 1: cult if. I hate when people wear their shirts on vacation.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I cannot tell you how many times
Speaker 1: I've been foreign countries and seeing Americans with Crossfish shirts
Speaker 1: and I'm like, bro, like, kill the funk out wearing Monaco,
Speaker 1: fucking shut up. Oh my god. When I was into Loom, dude,
Speaker 1: we saw this guy with a Crossbit shirt and I
Speaker 1: remember thinking, like, we get it. You love America, we
Speaker 1: understand it. So I'm just a bitch like but like
Speaker 1: he had no idea. I was trying to be a bit.
Speaker 1: It's like one in the morning, We're at this bar,
Speaker 1: and I just felt I was like, fuck it, let
Speaker 1: me do it, because I kept seeing him over and over.
Speaker 1: Because the ex fact community into Loom was very small
Speaker 1: in the beginning of COVID right April, when nobody was there.
Speaker 1: You count trap in Mexico, I mean, according to what
Speaker 1: we thought. So I started talking to him at the
Speaker 1: bar and I'm like, damn, I've been thinking about getting
Speaker 1: across bit too. Like He's like, it's a lifestyle, is
Speaker 1: what it is. And I thought, I was like really.
Speaker 1: He was like, I mean, what's something you love? Remember
Speaker 1: he said that to me, something you do for yourself
Speaker 1: that you love because it makes you feel good? And
Speaker 1: what is it? Do you have any sport? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm really trying to think hard. I'm like,
Speaker 1: sucking dick. I don't know. Like He's like, all I
Speaker 1: have is protein powder, I have battle ropes in my house.
Speaker 1: I my girlfriend is a kettle bell. My girlfriend is
Speaker 1: a kettle bell. So then I was like, well, what
Speaker 1: do you what do you do now that you don't
Speaker 1: have a gym? You don't need a gym with CrossFit,
Speaker 1: That's the thing about it. It is a you don't
Speaker 1: need anything. You get box. I'm like flipping over a tire,
Speaker 1: I'm throwing I'm I'm throwing an axe. I'm hitting a
Speaker 1: fucking sledgehammer on the grass. Don't you be noticing like
Speaker 1: cross with people be short. Yeah, I feel like it's
Speaker 1: just like Napoleon, like, thank god you're not this way.
Speaker 1: But I don't mean many men that are under five
Speaker 1: ten and don't have this weird complex about themselves. What
Speaker 1: helps me? It helps me stand up. That's well, I've
Speaker 1: seven and a half online, but by seven. But when
Speaker 1: you're a stand up comedian and I can stand in
Speaker 1: front of like a hundred people, five people, thousand people
Speaker 1: and not be nervous and have joke around, you feel
Speaker 1: like you're six ten. You feel like you're I'm on stage.
Speaker 1: I feel good and I don't even stand up. It's
Speaker 1: very empowering and and I have I've been doing a
Speaker 1: lot enough where I can walk around and be like
Speaker 1: I could do something you're afraid of. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't care who you are. You could be a legit
Speaker 1: linebacker in the NFL. But I can stand out there
Speaker 1: for forty five minutes and joke around and you can't
Speaker 1: not certainly shame anybody's looks. But when you're attractive and short,
Speaker 1: it helps. Sorry, but like seriously, like you know what
Speaker 1: like people like if you regularly look at motherfucker and
Speaker 1: you five seven, like maybe life ankle hand you the best?
Speaker 1: There helps Thank god. I got my hair. Oh thank god, right, dude.
Speaker 1: Imagine if you were like receding, dude, if I was
Speaker 1: receding in there was a cult member that said I'll
Speaker 1: bring your hair back, and everyone around them had hair,
Speaker 1: I would be like, where Bron better join them? Motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Lebron'e hairlines like the ice like like the ice caps.
Speaker 1: And every time I look at Lebron's hair, I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's so, you had so much time during quarantine. And
Speaker 1: then you know what else? I think when he finally
Speaker 1: shaves it off, he's going to look back at old
Speaker 1: clips and be like, Yo, why did I leave this
Speaker 1: in all? Also, Lebron James, if I must say this,
Speaker 1: when you're a black man, you can shave your head
Speaker 1: and people are like that looks cool. White guys to
Speaker 1: shave their heads, Like are you sick? Is everything okay? Okay?
Speaker 1: Are you darks? Like if you're like, are you a racist?
Speaker 1: Are you sick? Are you okay? Let me tell you something.
Speaker 1: One of my friends, she was like, I sent her
Speaker 1: to this guy was about to going to date with.
Speaker 1: He was a white guy who was bald. Some guy
Speaker 1: I've been online and he had a picture of Doc Martin.
Speaker 1: She was like, this is the Nazi uniform, dude, the
Speaker 1: guy that killed kids in Columbine and had on top
Speaker 1: and then he was bald. You cannot do I'm like
Speaker 1: what And it was like really, what came to her head?
Speaker 1: She's like, you can't just suck a bald white guy
Speaker 1: like this. He's probably racist. That's funny. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 1: you a question. I'm gonna ask you to do this,
Speaker 1: so I want you to look up Gwen Chamblin, the
Speaker 1: leader of this reminant follow ship. Tell me if you
Speaker 1: would let this woman lead you, look what she looks.
Speaker 1: I don't want to shame any one for their looks,
Speaker 1: but when you're admitted, I know you are a goddamn liar.
Speaker 1: And guess whose face is going to be the fucking
Speaker 1: cover art for today's episode? Is her hair? Are you
Speaker 1: shitting me right now? She dude? If that, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: everyone looks the way they look. Everyone's beautiful to somebody,
Speaker 1: but but this woman looks crazy. Go oh my god, Eddie,
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is the picture. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Every week, for facts sake, we've been putting our own faces.
Speaker 1: We might have to put this bit room there. Wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm serious. This might have to be today's I'm afraid.
Speaker 1: I'm afraid that one of her fellow followships is gonna, like,
Speaker 1: fucking please makeup her neck and her hair right now.
Speaker 1: Oh no, we're picking this picture people. Y'all gonna see
Speaker 1: it right now. She looks insane. She's holding If we
Speaker 1: somehow decide against this, which there's no way we could.
Speaker 1: This woman is holding a groom in a bride's hand.
Speaker 1: She's in the middle of them. Her makeup is so
Speaker 1: pasty white, she already looks had. Her hair is so
Speaker 1: high up on her head. She's like it's like like
Speaker 1: a like a buffon, Like it's like yeah or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I mean she's been I'll give you that Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So she literally took she made a die. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the diet is. I was looking up. I
Speaker 1: couldn't really find too much it about it, but it
Speaker 1: was like, it's really weird. What's the diet? Like I
Speaker 1: want to hear her voice so badly. I need to
Speaker 1: know how high pitched it is. Okay, who's your master?
Speaker 1: Here's the excerpts. We're looking off for that barn, right,
Speaker 1: Now at one time I was a white so much
Speaker 1: Jimmy and Chaucer. Um, are you shipping me? God? Damn it.
Speaker 1: I thought this bitch was gonna Wow. Now I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what that is. A bufon goddamn accent. Uh. He's
Speaker 1: funny when you look at someone's hair and be like,
Speaker 1: I know exactly how you sound. Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: just went on on their on their website and saw
Speaker 1: a picture of her and her kids and they all
Speaker 1: have weird, big hair. She's still alive, Yeah, she s
Speaker 1: tell has a church. Wow. How to focus on God?
Speaker 1: By Gwen Shampo. How do you after focusing on food
Speaker 1: for so long, how in the world do you start
Speaker 1: focusing on God? I'll tell you what ya stop you
Speaker 1: brand you take that take that cookie out of your
Speaker 1: mouth and look up to God. Okay, that's that's a
Speaker 1: weird one. She's uh and she makes everyone listen listeners
Speaker 1: Son's music. They all are they all you know, they're
Speaker 1: all bought in, man, they're all in. This might be
Speaker 1: this is this might be coming up on my favorite episode. Okay.
Speaker 1: So the second cult that I chose and I thought
Speaker 1: had a really cool thing in there, there's two celebrities
Speaker 1: that were born into this cult as well. This is
Speaker 1: also a popular one. David moses Berg. This is a
Speaker 1: cult called the Children of God and this is a
Speaker 1: Communist Christian offshoot also in California. For so someone so
Speaker 1: concerned with moral decay and evolution, and that's a lot
Speaker 1: of them. It's all about the afterlife. He had a
Speaker 1: very sex centric perspective on how to spread the views
Speaker 1: of Jesus through flirty fishing. Basically, he would use young
Speaker 1: women to learn new members by having sex with them.
Speaker 1: Apparently he was opposing anti pedophilia laws and according to
Speaker 1: some of the members, sex with children was not only permitted,
Speaker 1: but it was a divine right. Um. He was a
Speaker 1: master of propaganda, writing, publishing and distributing pamphlets. Uh. He
Speaker 1: had a terrifying book called The Art The Art of
Speaker 1: the Children of God or something and basically discussed his teachings.
Speaker 1: When the group changed his name several times, most recently
Speaker 1: to Family International. It operates in eighty countries, although it
Speaker 1: no longer permits adults between the sex and adults and children.
Speaker 1: Joaquin Phoenix and Rose McGowan were born into this call.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because I just saw was that who
Speaker 1: saw is that Rose McGowan shaved head was like one
Speaker 1: of the Mexico Did you see here? You did see
Speaker 1: her there? Uh huh. I just didn't know if that
Speaker 1: was her last name. So, um. They were established in
Speaker 1: the late sixties, right, and he was a traveling preacher,
Speaker 1: and they believed in free love and they were you know,
Speaker 1: so they recruited with sex whatever. The flirty fishing is insane.
Speaker 1: But the children, the survivors of it, say the children
Speaker 1: were regularly abused. Um. Some there's a direct quote where
Speaker 1: someone said there was sexual abuse for myself from the
Speaker 1: age of four, not just from my dad who got convicted,
Speaker 1: but from other members of the cult. Some related, some
Speaker 1: were not. Um. I wasn't comfortable to the things being
Speaker 1: done to me, But if I asked a question, I
Speaker 1: got beaten or put on a silence restriction. I was
Speaker 1: punished a lot because I was never able to stop
Speaker 1: asking questions. He died in ninety four, and the cult
Speaker 1: later rebranded and changed his name to Family of Love
Speaker 1: Family International, after it had been labeled a cult and
Speaker 1: investigated by the FBI. They renamed themselves so that they
Speaker 1: could stay around wild many imagine you go on a
Speaker 1: date with somebody and then you go where'd you grow up?
Speaker 1: And they're like, oh, Albuquerque, New Mexico. Oh cool? How
Speaker 1: was that? Like? Not bad? I mean I was. That's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy. I mean I was an occult for
Speaker 1: the first ten years of my life. Like, uh, what
Speaker 1: have you seen? So I know I was in a cult? Really? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's actually a close friend of mine. I did a
Speaker 1: Patreon episode about it a Horrible Decisions because I wanted
Speaker 1: to discuss religion and sex and I'll see if I
Speaker 1: could get him to jump in and like maybe do
Speaker 1: a little something with us. It might be fun when
Speaker 1: we have a Patreon and just discussed that portion. But basically,
Speaker 1: I don't remember what kind of cults it was. It
Speaker 1: was something to do with God and religion and Christianity.
Speaker 1: But they had to surrender their check, not the entire check,
Speaker 1: but I think his mom gave him most of the
Speaker 1: pay checked up and they made them cut out boobs
Speaker 1: and stuff like that newspaper. Oh sorry, cut off the
Speaker 1: boobs outside of news. I'm sorry, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh my god, O sorry, I couldn't get
Speaker 1: that out. He was like, not those log tits, no
Speaker 1: cutting tits out of newspapers and clippings, and he's like,
Speaker 1: I never like saw bodies like that, Like we had
Speaker 1: no TV. And then he was talking about how you'd
Speaker 1: feel so guilty about masturbating, how once he did it,
Speaker 1: he couldn't stop and then he would have to like
Speaker 1: just ask God if he could do it, and he
Speaker 1: said he'd get so frustrated. He had to do it
Speaker 1: anyway because like he found out what it felt like.
Speaker 1: And then when he got married, he got married super young.
Speaker 1: He didn't even kiss his wife till his fucking wedding
Speaker 1: day because the cult like made him keep sanctified. What's
Speaker 1: even more hilarious about this is like his wife and
Speaker 1: him were into like kinky assex and he sucked all
Speaker 1: the time, said like ten times a week. He's like,
Speaker 1: they're like super Yeah, he's like and like he became
Speaker 1: totally normal after that, but yeah, they were weird. Ask
Speaker 1: mother cult. It's funny like he mentioned like they would
Speaker 1: use women as bait for some of to get new
Speaker 1: members for this cult. And also it's like and it
Speaker 1: made me think of Jeffrey Epstein. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: ship like getting young girls to like lure in powerful people.
Speaker 1: But here's the interesting thing. So this guy I'm talking about,
Speaker 1: I know him very well. I spent a Christmas with
Speaker 1: his family, his mom. This was before I knew was
Speaker 1: so adorable, so sweet, And the only thing I could
Speaker 1: think after he told me this is like, Okay, she
Speaker 1: was super lost after a divorce or something like. This
Speaker 1: was not a woman I took for. I mean, she
Speaker 1: was adorable, super sweet, like you know those type of
Speaker 1: people that have to hug you when you get in
Speaker 1: their house and they're like rubbed army, like you call
Speaker 1: you on something like, she was so sweet and I
Speaker 1: was like, wow, it's not who you would think. It's
Speaker 1: those people that are so nice and impressional they get
Speaker 1: sucked in. Mm hmm yeah. I mean it's funny, how
Speaker 1: like not funny, but it's actually really terrible, how you
Speaker 1: know how sex is this thing that can really put
Speaker 1: you in a trance for certain people in these cults,
Speaker 1: it's just like being lured in and you're just like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I feel euphoric and I want it again.
Speaker 1: And that's you've ever done over sex? Like what do
Speaker 1: you mean? Like, I'll tell you mine. I feel like
Speaker 1: I've had sex so good that so like he he
Speaker 1: didn't have a lot of money, and I was like
Speaker 1: willing to like fly this guy to me. I was
Speaker 1: willing to do like anything. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'd like maybe I've done that. I've I've flown in
Speaker 1: somebody in Yeah. I feel like it's different for women,
Speaker 1: right if you had to fly dick to you, bitch, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, I mean use points. Let's see what else
Speaker 1: is some dumb ship I've done for dick. Um. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. I was sucking this guy and he just
Speaker 1: really was just he to this day. No one needs
Speaker 1: my I know, like him. And he absolutely loved table
Speaker 1: tennis and I acted like I did too, And I
Speaker 1: swear to you, Eddie, I mean we would watch you
Speaker 1: tube is NonStop to the point where I was like
Speaker 1: ordering him stuff that he needs, like I would do
Speaker 1: anything for him to fuck me. He watched so much
Speaker 1: table tennis and we were done. He was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's try a new clip. Did and I'm like yo,
Speaker 1: and I would just lie and I can you use
Speaker 1: the paddle on me? Your ball swung at me? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Can we ping dong? It's pretty It's pretty crazy, like
Speaker 1: the things we do, especially if we're in a certain
Speaker 1: point of our lives where you want it the most.
Speaker 1: And these cults and these play organizations and even someone
Speaker 1: like Jeffrey Epstein, they prey on that for for something
Speaker 1: like these leaders want something from you, whether it's your
Speaker 1: money or power, or they want you they just want
Speaker 1: to feel like the center of the universe. And whether
Speaker 1: jever Epstein is like obviously using young women to lure
Speaker 1: these guys who are probably living seclusion, who are like
Speaker 1: the Prince, Prince Andrew or Bill Clinton or whatever, who
Speaker 1: you know, can't just go on sleep with someone randomly
Speaker 1: if they need to. This guy hooks them up and
Speaker 1: in exchange, he gets power over these people. It's pretty
Speaker 1: it's fucking wild. They're so like there, I guess it's
Speaker 1: like I hate to say this because I know this
Speaker 1: can't be true, but I feel like there's this sadistic
Speaker 1: thing of like I can buy whatever I want. What's next,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And any girl will fuck
Speaker 1: me like what could be next? And I I feel
Speaker 1: like there's there has to be something adjacent with wealth
Speaker 1: and pedophilia for people. Yeah, there's people that are like
Speaker 1: I can get a Ferrari delivered to me right now,
Speaker 1: fulfilled cash. But that doesn't But that isn't risky enough.
Speaker 1: I want to do this to somebody. It's terrible. I mean,
Speaker 1: that'sn't terrible. Commoditizes people, commoditizes children and said terrible. Fuck.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much pedavilia is related to that. And
Speaker 1: some of these cults are just like they just they
Speaker 1: just know you'll say yes, and they pray and they
Speaker 1: fucking use you as just ponds and their game of chess.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's funny, like when you said about
Speaker 1: using sex to lure new members is just like blurty
Speaker 1: fishing for Jesus. It's like, what have you ever watched
Speaker 1: Jesus Camp? No, if anyone can watch this, it's not
Speaker 1: on Netflix anymore. But it was about not orthodox evangel yeah,
Speaker 1: evangelical Christians or whatever. Evangelical evangelical think you're gonna get
Speaker 1: it out um. And it starts off with these kids
Speaker 1: hold like speaking in tongues and they talked to this
Speaker 1: little girl and they're like just so brainwashed this little girl.
Speaker 1: They're like, how could you at what? They say? What
Speaker 1: do you want to be when you grow up? She
Speaker 1: was like, um, I want to do nails because you
Speaker 1: could get people very relaxed. You know, you get them relaxed,
Speaker 1: you do their nails, and it's like then you just
Speaker 1: start telling them about the Lord. And I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, this little girl literally just say like,
Speaker 1: you get them relaxed, you get them in a place
Speaker 1: where you could talk to them and hold them as
Speaker 1: a kid. To know that you've been watching these people
Speaker 1: do dish it yeah, like I always funny, kind of
Speaker 1: odd when someone try sneaked in religion with random thing.
Speaker 1: You ever been in an uber and some guys you
Speaker 1: want put on some music? Yeah, sure, it puts on
Speaker 1: some Christian rock, like okay, nice try all right once
Speaker 1: I'm Jewish. One star of David. Okay, all that was good.
Speaker 1: That's good, thank you, thank you. Okay. So this is
Speaker 1: not actually a cult. I'm gonna do for my second fact.
Speaker 1: This is actually a tactic cults use called love love bombing.
Speaker 1: Once people have been created by cult, they are often
Speaker 1: quote unquote love bombed. The odd phrase is commonly used
Speaker 1: to describe the ways in which someone with low self
Speaker 1: esteem is consistently flattered, complimented, and seduced in order to
Speaker 1: train their brain to associate the cult with love and acceptance.
Speaker 1: Love Bombing is coordinated effort, usually under the direction of leadership,
Speaker 1: that involves long term members, flooding recruits and newer members
Speaker 1: with flattery, verbal seduction, affectionate but usually non sexual touching,
Speaker 1: and lots of attention to their every remark. Love Bombing,
Speaker 1: or the offer of instant companionship, is as deceptive ploy
Speaker 1: accounting for many successful recruiment drives. The expression has also
Speaker 1: been used to describe the tactics used by pimps to
Speaker 1: control their victims. So it's crazy, it's like, God, they
Speaker 1: talk about that ship with pimps. I've heard this before.
Speaker 1: I've I've addressed it briefly with like sex trafficking. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's just say you're someone who maybe come from
Speaker 1: a broken home, maybe you moved, maybe your parents, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the abandoned you. And you're like plan of
Speaker 1: loss in this world. And you find this person who says,
Speaker 1: you know, has anyone said you're beautiful? And you're like,
Speaker 1: no is anyone? You know? You shoot, you shoot the
Speaker 1: ship and they laugh at everything you every joke you make.
Speaker 1: They just think you're amazing, and they introduce you to
Speaker 1: another group of people and like this is wheezy, and
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, wheezy, I love your skin. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, where did you get that shirt? And you
Speaker 1: just feel like, oh my god. Like every I'm like
Speaker 1: the I'm like the highlight of this party. I'm on
Speaker 1: the highlight of this I'm the center of attention. And
Speaker 1: people who are elders of you look at you like
Speaker 1: you're some sort of phenom or some sort of like
Speaker 1: blessed person who was like, oh my god, you have
Speaker 1: we have to get hert of we have to have
Speaker 1: her over for lunch, or we have to have her
Speaker 1: and then next you know, like and then like and
Speaker 1: you're like, where are you staying tonight? Well, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about getting a motel And you're like like stay here,
Speaker 1: and then you and and everyone's just all about you,
Speaker 1: and you've the first time you've had someone all about
Speaker 1: you and as strangers, and you just feel like you're
Speaker 1: getting something that you never got from friends from school,
Speaker 1: from I do just want to add in for for
Speaker 1: those of you that don't know, when people don't have
Speaker 1: money that joined colts, they work their way in that cult.
Speaker 1: They're cooking, they're cleaning, they're doing something to contribute to
Speaker 1: that community in exchange for room and board generally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's almost like an internship. You almost feel like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is going towards the greater thing, This is going
Speaker 1: towards me being up in this ladder in this group organization.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Eddie, I don't know how I forget.
Speaker 1: When I was into Loom, we found people that it
Speaker 1: were in a call. It was a sex call, and
Speaker 1: the girl told us she found out because they were
Speaker 1: starting her with like bottom jobs. So she's like, she
Speaker 1: was like, check, she was getting banged the most. Okay, okay, go,
Speaker 1: she's a model, Russian model, came from Miami. These rich
Speaker 1: guys were like, yo, come to Saloom, will take care
Speaker 1: of everything, like but you know, they kind of let
Speaker 1: her to believe she'd be fucking right. So she's like,
Speaker 1: I got here, gorgeous girls, the hotels, gorgeous, gorgeous hotel.
Speaker 1: Can I say the name? Fucking Amon Salas and Saloom.
Speaker 1: Now they have a large property and at the time
Speaker 1: this zone of hotels was completely empty, so people would
Speaker 1: book out twenty rooms. So she said she went to
Speaker 1: a month solid. She was like, there were sex parties
Speaker 1: at night. There was drugs. It was fun. But what
Speaker 1: I started to realize, she said, once it was it
Speaker 1: became a cult was when I had to wake up
Speaker 1: and do certain jobs. She was like, Now, I started
Speaker 1: by like cleaning clothes for everybody, and she was like,
Speaker 1: and I didn't think it was a big deal because
Speaker 1: like everything was covered. And then she said, a new
Speaker 1: girl came in, and then I started just like folding
Speaker 1: the clothes. She'd bring them from the laundromat. And then
Speaker 1: I would just do stuff in the house. I didn't
Speaker 1: have to be outside. And then another girl came. Then
Speaker 1: she started doing gros frees, like they took her jobs
Speaker 1: and put it down to someone else. And she went
Speaker 1: up a fucking ladder and she was like, once I
Speaker 1: realized it was a colt, I had to get the
Speaker 1: funk out of there. I'm like, where you imagine. Imagine
Speaker 1: you're like a model type woman and you're you're sex
Speaker 1: hungry and you're getting dped by people in an orgy
Speaker 1: and then and then an hour later you're mopping a floor.
Speaker 1: That's not right, yo, But they're like, yo, bitch, humble
Speaker 1: yourself because you could be out of here. Mind you
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm at the party. I'm telling the girl
Speaker 1: next to me, right, she's like the only other black
Speaker 1: person I met there. I was like this, she said.
Speaker 1: She's like, ye I heard here, and we're just getting
Speaker 1: leaning and listening. Now we're trying to because mind you,
Speaker 1: the XPAC community was small, right, So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: who's in the cult? And she's like, okay, well I
Speaker 1: can't point directly, but three o'clock bread dressed. I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's like it's like it's like get out the next
Speaker 1: you know, you're like mopping the floor. While some guys like,
Speaker 1: right to bang you. What happened to Wheezy? I don't
Speaker 1: know that. Like they were probably like, you're so hot,
Speaker 1: you gotta come so beautiful. Oh my go look at
Speaker 1: her hair, look at her skin. Oh my god, you're
Speaker 1: so funny, you're so smart to the beach, come hang
Speaker 1: out with us. You want to do some blow off
Speaker 1: my tit? Wow boom love's love bombing. And you know what,
Speaker 1: I've never dealt or talk to anyone who has been
Speaker 1: involved in sex work. When it comes to the pampa,
Speaker 1: I imagine the same thing. This man or woman or
Speaker 1: whoever gives you this love and you feel like they're
Speaker 1: a boyfriend or a partner. And the next thing you know,
Speaker 1: they're asking, can you just do this one thing? I
Speaker 1: need the money just and then next thing you know,
Speaker 1: drugs are involved. I'm not saying that happens all the time,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying the most terrible situations I love bombing
Speaker 1: is when it's it's predatorial. You see, they're missing this
Speaker 1: part of their life, and then you, as someone senior
Speaker 1: to them, you give them that and it's and you
Speaker 1: can manipulate them. Who else has done this? Fun boys
Speaker 1: they love bombing until they sucked me and then they're
Speaker 1: done with me. Um, So beware, we've known this, ladies,
Speaker 1: so from my last fact, and I know we don't
Speaker 1: have a much time, but weird ass cult with another
Speaker 1: suicide thing and it was the biggest in history, the
Speaker 1: People's ten Pole. In nineteen fifty in Indiana, native Jim Jones,
Speaker 1: not the Rapper, he founded a church and he claimed
Speaker 1: to promote socialism and equality. Socialism is basically where everybody
Speaker 1: you know kind of gets the same amount of money,
Speaker 1: et cetera or whatever. So it was a religious element
Speaker 1: of Christianity and initially he was a little more of
Speaker 1: a hustler who faked faith healings by having audience members. Uh,
Speaker 1: he would basically have he would like plant and pull
Speaker 1: chicken livers out of their mouths and like say that
Speaker 1: like he was healing them from like some devil. But
Speaker 1: if the year progressed, people heard about it, and he
Speaker 1: demanded more and more followers. So he moves everyone in California.
Speaker 1: I don't know why they keep doing. This is a
Speaker 1: commune like kind of situation in Redwood Valley. He eventually
Speaker 1: became to believe that there was a nuclear war happening,
Speaker 1: and so he moved his followers again to the South
Speaker 1: American country of Guyana, where he said this would be
Speaker 1: outside of the potential danger zone. So they lived there
Speaker 1: for several years and they called themselves the People's Temple
Speaker 1: Agricultural Project. But after some of the members started speaking out,
Speaker 1: the San Francisco congressman at the time decided to travel
Speaker 1: there to investigate the claims of abuse. His security guards
Speaker 1: opened fire um on the group that came the Congressman's group,
Speaker 1: and he ordered his followers to drink a cyanide laced beverage.
Speaker 1: Interesting only enough, this is where the phrase drinking the
Speaker 1: kool aid original. A total of nine hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: people died in the incident that was the largest of
Speaker 1: Americans in history until nine eleven. Nine hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: people fucking died from the ship. Bro, that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Where do they find them in a field? We're like,
Speaker 1: where were they? And they were on their plantation or
Speaker 1: fucking I said plantation because the ship. I started thinking
Speaker 1: his laves, like they're on their compound in uh Guyana. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so they came down there, and I guess before
Speaker 1: when he shot at everybody, he was like, no, I
Speaker 1: guess we're all going down fun this ship, like the
Speaker 1: I'm not about to catch up. Nine ship is insane, dude,
Speaker 1: mass suicide. Um, I'm curious to know, like what the
Speaker 1: people were led to believe because he forced them to
Speaker 1: drink of it. But um. Also, he claims that the
Speaker 1: reason that they went to Guyana is because there was
Speaker 1: the United States was a racist place. He said the
Speaker 1: temple concluded that Guyana was a place in a black
Speaker 1: country where black members could live in peace, and it
Speaker 1: was the only English speaking country in South America. Now
Speaker 1: you know, he was y'all gonna be all right here
Speaker 1: until we kill you. Um. But yeah, he it was
Speaker 1: that evening that they like open gunfire. Um, it was
Speaker 1: captured on video by n NBC and one of the
Speaker 1: journalists was killed. And that evening he told everybody to
Speaker 1: drink it and two hundred seventy six of the people,
Speaker 1: which were kids. Oh sick. How do you get to
Speaker 1: nine people to agree with you that way? I mean,
Speaker 1: I can't even get like five people to eat the
Speaker 1: dip I bring to a party, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, it is honestly a lot of Now his children,
Speaker 1: they have some pictures of them. One of his kids
Speaker 1: is black, Jim W. Jones juniors, Stephen Gandhi Jones, Agnes Jones.
Speaker 1: Like he's got a lot of kids, um. And one
Speaker 1: of the kids I mean Guyanese. Yeah he uh. They
Speaker 1: talk about the tragedy. There's a lot of accounts of
Speaker 1: this online, Like it was forty years I think it's
Speaker 1: been forty two years now since that. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's super interesting. I've heard of Jim Jones, but I
Speaker 1: didn't know it's nine people. That's a lot of people. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that much either. Can you that was
Speaker 1: the biggest until nine eleven is fucking insane. Dude. Wow,
Speaker 1: and he got them all to go to Guyana with him. Huh.
Speaker 1: The fact that it's called drink the Koolid. By the way,
Speaker 1: the number changes sometimes, like Forbes reported it as three
Speaker 1: four children, one, other sources two. I guess this is
Speaker 1: what everybody thinks of age, but um, just in case,
Speaker 1: try to fact check me. But like, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think this is a honestly one of the most
Speaker 1: shocking because I can't believe he got that many people
Speaker 1: to comply. Yeah. It's It's one thing to like move
Speaker 1: people and think, oh, this person is super talented, I'll
Speaker 1: buy what a record that come out with, or I
Speaker 1: am all about whatever this person likes to wear. I
Speaker 1: want to wear it. But to really follow someone in
Speaker 1: every path they take you down, including death, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a it's a It's a perfect mix between someone being
Speaker 1: super influential and find someone who's super super impressionable, and
Speaker 1: then they just they they think they're helping each other
Speaker 1: when in fact one is taking badget over. What's interesting
Speaker 1: is someone has spoken out. She She tells The Atlantic
Speaker 1: that she figures like, oh, I'll just go down there
Speaker 1: and if I don't like it. She was nineteen when
Speaker 1: she joined, and she was like, if I don't like it,
Speaker 1: like I can just leave. But she said she was homeless.
Speaker 1: A man came alongside her in a van and basically
Speaker 1: Um was like, Hey, this is where I live. No
Speaker 1: one has to worry about food or housing, and we're
Speaker 1: gonna build people a new future. And she was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I just get out. She was homeless anyway, And forty
Speaker 1: years later she had opened up about it and basically
Speaker 1: said she was with him for seven years in California,
Speaker 1: UM and that people were warm, they worked hard to
Speaker 1: build a utopian community, and he was very passionate about
Speaker 1: civil rights. He helped in a great churches, hospitals, restaurants,
Speaker 1: movie theater, UM, and he adopted lots of of color.
Speaker 1: Then he had a black hid himself. So UM many
Speaker 1: of in the majority of followers that died with him
Speaker 1: were black, and one third of them. So it's crazy
Speaker 1: because it's like, how you about the civil rights? But
Speaker 1: you did all this to us. But she got out
Speaker 1: three weeks before the massacre, and uh yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: she uh I think she she told a story and
Speaker 1: something called oh She said that he included the mass
Speaker 1: suicide and rehearsals that he would call the White Knights,
Speaker 1: and basically she had a realization that he was going
Speaker 1: to kill her. She that's why she left. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: she said that he was kind of like re enacting
Speaker 1: it a few times. Wow, they had rehearsals and how
Speaker 1: they're going to kill each other. Oh God, this is creepy.
Speaker 1: My last cult is a really wild one that I've
Speaker 1: never heard of. I know I sons called. It's called
Speaker 1: Chinao called Chin Tao was a cult formed by a
Speaker 1: former professor called Hong Ming Chin, who believed that the
Speaker 1: universe four point five trillion years old, that we each
Speaker 1: had three souls, and that humanity has been rescued for
Speaker 1: more than more than once by God who travels in
Speaker 1: a flying saucer. This is out there. These are UFO cults. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a UFO called. The group reportedly moved to Garland,
Speaker 1: Texas because the name sounded like god Land, which is
Speaker 1: probably because of an Asian accent. Uh god. Ok. At
Speaker 1: the time, the group had roughly hundred sixty members, forty
Speaker 1: of which were children. Members purchased more than two twenty
Speaker 1: homes in an upper middle class South Garland neighborhood. Like
Speaker 1: their neighbors, these followers were white collared professionals, some of
Speaker 1: whom were reportedly wealthy. They dressed in uh all in
Speaker 1: white and wore cowboy hats and of luxury car So
Speaker 1: this guy recruited some real business people and brought them
Speaker 1: over to Texas from I think it was I think
Speaker 1: it was Taiwan. Anyway, the group was best known for
Speaker 1: being hilly publicized and failed by a millennial prophecy. So
Speaker 1: this guy promised something and this is how he lost
Speaker 1: all his fellowship. Shortly after moving to Garland. In August
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Chen predicted that at twelve or one am
Speaker 1: on March God would be seen on every single television
Speaker 1: channel all across North America. Whether or not the person
Speaker 1: had cable service was irrelevant to God's appearance on that
Speaker 1: channel when predicted. When the When the predicted appearance did
Speaker 1: not occur, the group became confused. The chan and the
Speaker 1: Chentel leader announced that he obviously had misunderstood God's plan,
Speaker 1: and members quietly returned to their homes. Chen offered to
Speaker 1: be was offered to be stoned or crucified for the event,
Speaker 1: but no one took up up on his offer. He
Speaker 1: later disappeared and was never heard from again. No one
Speaker 1: knows where he is. You think he was like schizophrenic
Speaker 1: and really heard it. I think this guy was lost
Speaker 1: his mind and said, watched twelve oh one. God's gonna
Speaker 1: give an answer to everybody, And they all looked and
Speaker 1: nothing happened, and he's like, um, yeah, maybe check your phone, okay,
Speaker 1: And then everyone sort of was like, here's a thing, though,
Speaker 1: if you're going to run a cult, you almost want
Speaker 1: to keep it with mystery. If you say something's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, and I mean what, and your believers are like,
Speaker 1: I don't get it, and they all disbanded him. First
Speaker 1: of all, I said, it's a possibility, y'all take my
Speaker 1: ship too serious. I would have been like, you know
Speaker 1: how hard is to go viral? You think God's gonna
Speaker 1: get on every TV. There's a lot of cool shows
Speaker 1: out there right now. Because we are not in Garlin.
Speaker 1: We are not in the right one. Garland Gotland, good one.
Speaker 1: There's not a wild So he basically convinced a bunch
Speaker 1: of people over an Asia that that you know, uh,
Speaker 1: we have three souls and we should all moved to Garland, Texas.
Speaker 1: They all bought homes and apparently if anyone here is listening,
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of listeners in Texas and
Speaker 1: anyone who was close to Garland, apparently it's a known
Speaker 1: thing that like Garland had to deal with this issue.
Speaker 1: And the city was like, what do we do. There's
Speaker 1: a legit cult and some of the members still walk
Speaker 1: around to this day. That's still believe in his work.
Speaker 1: But but the religion disbanded and they were like all
Speaker 1: white with a cowboy hats and cowboy boots and their
Speaker 1: Asian is that crazy? So if you see Asian and
Speaker 1: Garland sex, you'd be like hold on. So you'll be
Speaker 1: watching cable this whole time, and Spectrum gave you nothing.
Speaker 1: So that's another way. And when you hear a coltsy
Speaker 1: thing that big, you think is scientology even like the
Speaker 1: gym Jones one. Is it Jim Jones or is it Yeah?
Speaker 1: But some of these other ones are just like wild
Speaker 1: and some of the tactics they use is crazy. So
Speaker 1: let's you gotta run down, let me see what you got.
Speaker 1: Let's see here we go here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 1: My first fact was about Heaven's Gate and the five
Speaker 1: dollars and seventy five cents and taking their body to
Speaker 1: the next level and castrating motherfucker's then Eddie matter of factors.
Speaker 1: Eddie then did his first one was the weight loss
Speaker 1: lighting name Gwen Trevanni shambling whatever I say it, because
Speaker 1: I thought wins to Vranni, That's what My second one
Speaker 1: was then about Children of God and how they were flirting, fishing,
Speaker 1: getting UM members in there with little girls. And then
Speaker 1: Eddie's second one was about the tactics, particularly love bombing,
Speaker 1: about all the compliments and how we've seen it used
Speaker 1: with pimps and funk boy today as it stands. And
Speaker 1: my last one was about the People's Temple, Jim Jones
Speaker 1: bringing a bunch of people to Diana, killing a total
Speaker 1: nine eighteen people. And Eddie's last one, as he had
Speaker 1: just heard, was about Garland, Texas. Yeah, the Chin the
Speaker 1: China cult. And he said God's gonna God's gonna show
Speaker 1: up on TV And then I was like, no, where
Speaker 1: is he? Maybe he meant Pacific time. Oh my god,
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