1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, the desperate search goes on 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 1: for a missing thirty three year old mom to be 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: who misses her very first sonogram. That doesn't sound right 4 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: to me. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank 5 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation and 6 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: series x M one eleven. First of all, take a 7 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at QTE thirteen Fox. It was 8 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 1: the ultimate red flag when Cassandra Cantrell failed to show 9 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: up to her ultrasound earlier this week, something she'd so 10 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: been looking forward to, something they say she would never 11 00:00:51,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: willingly miss, leading them to their worst fear that something 12 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: is terribly wrong. This is not normal. She wouldn't just 13 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: dam I just need her back. It's been an agonizing 14 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: three days since Maurice Smith last saw her daughter, thirty 15 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: three year old Cassandra Cantrell. It was early Tuesday morning, 16 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Marie was heading out for work. We just said, you know, 17 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: she said have a good day at work, and I 18 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: said thank you, and she said love you and I 19 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: said love you. And that was the last. About an 20 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: hour later, at eight forty five am, a security camera 21 00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 1: caught her driving away in her white mos To sedan 22 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: from her and her mother's Parkland home. The only plans 23 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: her mother knew she had that day was at some 24 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: point to go grocery shopping. I don't think that's where 25 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: she was going when she left. Where is thirty three 26 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: year old mom to be Cassandra Cantrell headed to her 27 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: very first sonogram? Is it a coincidence or no? I 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: can remember my very first sonogram all right now. It 29 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,239 Speaker 1: was in a doctor's office in midtown Manhattan. I will 30 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: never forget it. And because the twins were so high risk, 31 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: I never missed a sonogram ever. Straight out to doctor 32 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:28,240 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold psychiatrists joining me out of Atlanta. I can't 33 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: remember when the sonogram happened, where they couldn't find baby B. 34 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: That was Lucy unnamed, unnamed, and the horrible, horrible depression 35 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: I went into thinking I had lost one of the twins, 36 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: and then the joy you know a month later when 37 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: baby B turned up again. Who had been hiding behind 38 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: Baby A? That would have been John David. I mean, 39 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: I remember every bit it and it's very unusual to 40 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: me that she missed her sonogram. What do these mean 41 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: to a mom? To be? Well? Nancy? As you just said, 42 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: as soon as as soon as someone gets pregnant, they 43 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: put all of their hopes and dreams on this unborn child. 44 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: They're they're thinking about going to name this child, where's 45 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: it going to go to college? Every all your hopes 46 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: and dreams are put on this baby. So no, women 47 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: do not miss their first sonogram, their first, their first 48 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 1: ability to actually see that little baby growing inside of them. 49 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: They are not going to miss that first sonogram. The 50 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: sonogram means everything. It makes it so much more real. 51 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: This might even be before she's even felt the baby moved, 52 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: but she actually gets to visualize the baby that is 53 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: growing inside of her. And you know, I remember I 54 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: was very high risks with twins at my age, and 55 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: I wasn't thinking about college. I was thinking about keeping 56 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 1: them alive till the next day because we had so 57 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: many dangerous you know, near missus during the pregnancy, which 58 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: turned out to be life threatening in the end of it. 59 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 1: So every day I was so anxious to get that 60 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: sonogram to know they were okay. Joining me. Isn't all 61 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: Star panel to figure out what was going through the 62 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,119 Speaker 1: mind of Cassandra Contrell when she goes missing en route 63 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 1: to her first sonogram with me, Kathleen mur Murphy out 64 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: of us, out of North Carolina family law attorney. You 65 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: can find her at NC Domestic Law dot com. And 66 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: let me tell you they call it family law. That 67 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: makes it sound so sweet and pristine and pure. It's 68 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: anything but renown psycho psychiatrists joining us out of the 69 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction doctor Angela Arnold. And just so you know, 70 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 1: one of her expertise is the psychology in the psychiatry 71 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: of pregnant women. So I went to her first, James 72 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: shell Nutt twenty seven years metro major case and including 73 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 1: Swat now lawyer at shell Nutt Law Firm dot com. 74 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 1: But first to Crime Online dot Com investigator reporter Nicole Parton. 75 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: I need to know everything you know, Nicole, But take 76 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: me very slowly a to Z about the day that 77 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: Cassandra Cantrell, thirty three year old mom to be, goes 78 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: missing and we're oute to her very first sonogram. Where, who? What? Where? Why? When? 79 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: Tell me what we know first is that her mother, 80 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: Cassandra's mother, Maurice Smith. Now Cassandra lived with her mother 81 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: and her mother's husband, Maurice Smith, and mother says she 82 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: was leaving for work she woke Cassandra up to tell 83 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: her by they exchanged some funny from funny back and 84 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: forth conversation. They told each other that they loved each other, 85 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: and Marie left for work. Now, the only plans that 86 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: Cassandra had for the day that her mother was aware 87 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: of was going to the grocery store. Unfortunately, at the 88 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: end of the day she hadn't made it to the 89 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: grocery store. She didn't come back home. We do know 90 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 1: that about an hour after Marie left for work, Theissandra 91 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: was seen pulling out the driveway on the neighbor's ring doorbell. 92 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: Her white mobstre leaving the driveway roughly around eight forty 93 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: five that morning, and that's the last visual that anyone has. Okay, 94 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: back it up, back it up, back it up with 95 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: me to coleparton Crime online dot Com investigative reporter. I 96 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: didn't want to interrupt you because every word you were 97 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: saying and my mind was critical. Last saying by her 98 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: own mother, what's the mom's name. The mom's name is 99 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,080 Speaker 1: Maurice Smith. Maurice Smith, last seen by her own mother. 100 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: She lives with We believe victim of Cassandra Kenschel lives 101 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: with mom Maurice Smith and Maurice Smith's husband. I noticed 102 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: you did not say Cassandra's father. Why that's correct. That 103 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: is not her father, but that is her stepfather, Marie's husband. Interesting, 104 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,720 Speaker 1: when were those two married. They've been married for several years. 105 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: And it's my understanding from all information we've received that 106 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: Marie's husband and Cassandra had a very good relationship. Okay, 107 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: you know where I was going on that Nicole parton 108 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: But but but I don't know that. So let me understand. 109 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: Was the stepfather home when Cassandra went? Was still at home? 110 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: Was he still there? He was not? He was already 111 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: gone for the day. Okay, all right? In my mind, 112 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: that that really helps me exclude him for the moment. 113 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: So she's there alone Maurice Smith and mom sees her last. 114 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 1: But beyond that, isn't it true that she was she 115 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: spotted on ring doorbell? Or was that later on? She 116 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: was about an hour after her mother left, the neighbor's 117 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: ring doorbell spots Cassandra's white Mazda leaving the driveway. Tickel, 118 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: listen to our friend Olivia la voice at Cheth Dartean Fox. 119 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: Her mother says Cassandra was about three months pregnant. The 120 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: father as a friend, and though unexpected for Cassandra, it 121 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: was the most welcome surprise when she found out. She 122 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: was thrilled because she wasn't sure that she'd have a 123 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: chance to have a baby, and so she was really excited. 124 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: She already picked up names. Law enforcement is calling Cassandra's 125 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,719 Speaker 1: disappearance suspicious. They're not sure if she ever ended up 126 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: going to the store Tuesday. They say, since she disappeared, 127 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: there's been no activity on her bank account or cell phone. 128 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: And I'm just like, maybe come up with me so 129 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: she can have her baby. That's all. If you have 130 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: any information on this case, you're urged to contact the 131 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: Pierce County Sheriff's Department. And if you think you see 132 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: Cassandra or her car, you're Astracine Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 133 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 1: we are discussing the disappearance of a three month pregnant 134 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:27,319 Speaker 1: mom to be, Cassandra Cantrell. She disappears just before her 135 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: very first sonogram. You were hearing our friend at Cute 136 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: thirteen Fox describing how Cassandra had already picked out a name, 137 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 1: was looking at names for the baby, was thrilled and 138 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: I found this very very important. I'll explained why later. 139 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: To psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold, joining us in the Atlanta jurisdiction. 140 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: Her specialty is psychiatry psychology of pregnant moms, Doctor Angela, 141 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: it seems to me, did you hear that comment? Kind 142 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: of an offhand comment? Quote she was so happy she 143 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: was quote not sure she should have a chance to 144 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 1: have a baby. Did you hear that? Because maybe I'm 145 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: projecting doctor Angela, but I felt the same way. I 146 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: could not believe, after all the time I had fought 147 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: crime and put off marriage, put off a family, I 148 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: could have a baby, much less twins, And that made 149 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: it so sacro sank. I couldn't do anything to jeopardize 150 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: those twins and my stomach. And it seems to me 151 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: that's the same way Cassandra Kntrel felt. Oh. Yes, she 152 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: was very very even though this was an unplanned pregnancy. 153 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: It sounds like she was over the moon about it. 154 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: So we know that she was very happy about this pregnancy. 155 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 1: She was she has no intention of getting rid of 156 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: this pregnancy. She's looking forward to this pregnancy. She is 157 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: very happy about this. To you, Kathleen Murphy North Carolina 158 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: family law attorney at NC Domestic Law dot Com. Kathleen, 159 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: that also gives me a glimpse into her behavior. This 160 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: does not sound like a mom that is going to 161 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:23,479 Speaker 1: engage in risky behavior. She's so happy, she's so ecstatic. 162 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: This is unexpected blessing. She is not going to go 163 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: out and do anything extreme like drink, have drugs, smoke up, skydive. 164 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 1: It's a crime area. Is nothing that could affect this child. 165 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: Do you see where I'm going with this line of thought, Kathleen, 166 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,640 Speaker 1: I do, and I'll add to that. Nancy, in fact, 167 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: when she had she was a very intentional young woman 168 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: and she was going to go to the grocery store 169 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: that day, and she made those plans. The grocery store 170 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,359 Speaker 1: that she was going to was an all natural, organic 171 00:11:56,840 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: type of store, So she was absolutely protecting her baby. 172 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: Just thinking back, thinking back on the fact that she 173 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't make it, Is that correct, Nicole part in Crime 174 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: Online dot Com investigative reporter. She never made it to 175 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: the grocery store, or did she? I mean, I don't 176 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: have any surveillance video, but I don't know if the 177 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: organic grocery store had surveillance video for all I know 178 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: they're opposed to the video waves. I don't know there 179 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: was their video at that organic grocery store. We're being 180 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: told that they did scan all video surveillance that was available, 181 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: and to our knowledge, she did not make it to 182 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: the grocery store. Her debit card was not used, and 183 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: there was no surveillance whatsoever that shows her entering or 184 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: leaving that grocery store. Okay, so she never made it in. 185 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: So we've got a timeline right here, James Sheln joining 186 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 1: me twenty seven years after a major case. Now, lawyer, 187 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: we've got her leaving that morning on video, so we 188 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: have a time. What time was that Nicole Parton that 189 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: she spotted leaving eighty five am? We know she never 190 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: made it to the grocery store. Hey, Nicole Parton, is 191 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: there any surveillance video of her in the parking lot 192 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: of the grocery store? Not that we're aware of. We're 193 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: being told that there was nothing else, no other sightings 194 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: of her. Now they're canvassing the neighborhood asking anyone check 195 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: your surveillance, check your ring doorbells, check your security cameras. 196 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: But at this point the only time they actually saw 197 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: her on any surveillance footage that they're releasing to us. 198 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: Is that neighbor's ring doorbell when she left at eight 199 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: forty five? And could you tell me where is this exactly? 200 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: I know it's Pierce County, but what neighborhood would we 201 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: expect to find the video? That's in Parkland, Washington, a 202 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: suburb of Tacoma. Parkland, Washington, just outside of Tacoma. So 203 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: that tells me, James Shellnutt she was taken that morning 204 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: between leaving the house and getting to that organic grocery. Yeah, 205 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's certainly what it sounds like. You know, 206 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: you know how import a timeline is an investigation in 207 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: a missing person's case. You know, if you take a 208 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: look at her electronic footprint, you know, you can want 209 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: to take a look at the last time that that 210 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: phone was used. Was it teemed off a tower to 211 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: keep them some indication as to the last time the 212 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: foam transmitted the message or signal. Were her credit cards 213 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: or debit cards used in any other location other than 214 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: where she went to The electronic footprint in this particular 215 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: case and a lot of others like it starts to 216 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: become very important when a person veers off course from 217 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: where they intended to go. Guys a tip line two 218 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: five three seven nine eight seven five three zero repeat 219 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: two five three seven nine eight seven five three zero, 220 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: and you can go to crime online dot com and 221 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: you can see her picture. I'm trying to tell you 222 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: maybe who she looks like. Does she look a little 223 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: bit like Lisa Low to me with the glasses, a 224 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: little bit like hair, beautiful brunette hair, neatly pulled back. 225 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo of her with that in 226 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: a loose, kind of a messy ponytail. She's wearing looks 227 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: like diamond studs in her ears. And now I'm looking 228 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: at her with her hair down. It's just past her 229 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: shoulders from what I can tell. And she looks to 230 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: have blue eyes. To me, one eye looks darker than 231 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: the other eye, a little bit darker, you know how 232 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: Jackie Mattie McCann has the dark stripe down one eye. 233 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: It's very memorable in most of these pictures. It looks 234 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: to me like one eye it's a little bit deeper 235 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: blue than the other eye. I don't know if you 236 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: notice that, Nicole parton Anyway, long story short, go to 237 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: crime online dot com and look at her picture. She's 238 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: really pretty. Speaking of very very odd point, James shell Nutt, 239 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 1: speaking of a digital footprint. Let's take a listen to 240 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: our friends at ki R O seven News. This is 241 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: Maurice Smith. Listen. Her clothes and a lot of her 242 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: accessories were in my bathroom, so it looked like she'd 243 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: gotten ready, you know, to go somewhere. And because she 244 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: had taken all that effort, I figured it was the 245 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: doctor's appointment and not just to go grocery shopping. She 246 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 1: just would have put her hair in a ponytail and gone, 247 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: you know. So when she didn't come home that evening 248 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: Tuesday evening, I wasn't really worried about it. She was 249 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 1: supposed to meet her friend, when she didn't. When she 250 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: wasn't there in the morning, I texted her and said, 251 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: you know, it would have been nice if you'd called 252 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: or texted and said you were going to stay the night, 253 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:42,200 Speaker 1: you know. Um, and Ronnie's what do you want for dinner? 254 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: You know? And then I and I went to work. 255 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: When I got home and she still wasn't there, I 256 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 1: started calling the people that I knew and said, hey, 257 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 1: did she you know, come over there? And they were 258 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 1: like no, So I tried calling her and it went 259 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 1: straight and voicemail. My daughter doesn't turn off her phone. 260 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 1: Her daughter doesn't turn off her phone. Very important. I 261 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: never turn off my phone because I actually don't want 262 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: to take the two seconds it takes to hold the 263 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: phone and turn it off. I keep just recharging it. 264 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: So how did this woman go missing? And you know, 265 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: to doctor Angela Arnold, at this point in a pregnancy, 266 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: anything can go wrong. You know, she said her first trimester, 267 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: and that isn't that typically when you lose the baby. 268 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: Oh God forbid that not happen. But isn't that typically 269 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: when you miss Carrie and the first trimester? Yes? And 270 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: you know the fact that she's that she was almost 271 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 1: three months pregnant means that she had gotten past that 272 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: dangers them and the pregnancy was in likely going to 273 00:17:49,359 --> 00:18:04,679 Speaker 1: stick crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about 274 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: a beautiful young girl about three months pregnant, just vanishes 275 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: seemingly into thin air just before her very first sonogram. 276 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: And you know, all you moms and moms to be 277 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: out there, you just don't disappear just before your first sonogram. 278 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 1: You get that sonogram. She was going to an organic 279 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: grocery store that morning. She never showed up. We checked 280 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,720 Speaker 1: about video in the grocery store. Nothing, no show up, 281 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 1: no nothing. And then we hear from the mom, her mother, 282 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: Marie Smith, that she never turned off her phone. That's 283 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: her practice. And you know what, that's very important, Kathleen Murphy, 284 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 1: family lawyer, right in North Carolina. We hear about routine behavior. 285 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 1: I don't mean routine behavior evidence. I don't mean that 286 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: it's you bringing into evidence every day as a routine. 287 00:18:55,720 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: It's evidence of your routine. So if one morning I 288 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: just didn't show up in the studio, Jackie here and 289 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:09,600 Speaker 1: Brett over there would know something was way wrong, way wrong. 290 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: If I didn't take my twins to school in the 291 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: morning and I just wasn't there in the morning, everybody 292 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: would know something was wrong because I never ever missed that. 293 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: It's like clot work. Would she when her phone seemingly 294 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: has been turned off, her mother, Marie knows something is wrong. 295 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: You know what behavioral evidence, Kathleen, You can literally set 296 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: your clock by it. Not only that Nancy, but her 297 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: intentionality as a person, which is what her mother has 298 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: talked about. This was a planner, This was somebody who's 299 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: stuck to a routine. This was somebody who called and 300 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: checked in. This was somebody who you could count on 301 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: to do the same things over and over again. And 302 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 1: she was not a willy nilly flighty type of person 303 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: who went from him there in yawned to make any 304 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,280 Speaker 1: any plans for her day. She let everybody know what 305 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: she's doing, you know. James Schalnutt went silent. Oh, I'm sorry, 306 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but I agree with you. James shellnut twenty 307 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,400 Speaker 1: seven years Matro Major case. Now, lawyer, let's talk about 308 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: what you were saying about cell phone data. We know 309 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: it's not her routine to turn off her cell phone, 310 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,639 Speaker 1: but it sounds like it's going straight to voicemail and 311 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 1: it's been turned off. That says to me, she didn't 312 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: do it. Somebody did not want that cell phone pain, 313 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: because isn't it true if you cut your cell phone off, 314 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: it can't be pained. Yes, somebody did not want the 315 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: cell phone over that's discovered. It is possible that the 316 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: battery could have died after it was pain I know, 317 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: but but it does happen. It's believe. I do believe 318 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: that most of the time that the phone is either 319 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: destroyed the phone is turned off to prevent that evidence 320 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: from being discovered. And what you discovered where that last 321 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: pain is at? That gives the detectives at least a 322 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: place to go there. I don't want to go canvas 323 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: this place, Look at gas stations, look at other places 324 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: where a person may stop off for a minute. Show 325 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: this lady's picture, Show Cassandra's picture to people and possibly, 326 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: in the worst case scenario, possibly look for evidence as 327 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 1: to where she may be. Let me ask you, this, 328 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: isn't it true that cops can do a data dump? 329 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: What I mean by that is, you know, I believe 330 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,199 Speaker 1: we saw it. Many people found out about it for 331 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: the first time in the Missy Beavers investigation where the 332 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: mom goes to the church and to do a gladiator 333 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: aerobics exercise class. She was the leader of the class 334 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: at like four o'clock in the morning and they did 335 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: a data dump cell phone. What I mean by that 336 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: if we can ping where Cassandra Contrel's phone was less 337 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,919 Speaker 1: that we know of, couldn't we data dump all the 338 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 1: cell phones that were in use at that time it 339 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: went dead in that area? Is that possible? James Shell 340 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: Nutty know. The answer is yes, you can do a 341 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: day to dump. As a matter of fact, that it 342 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: lays it out really nicely for you. You can actually 343 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: convert it to an Excel spreadsheet and it lays out 344 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: tons of details that are very helpful in an investigation 345 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: like this. I'm really surprised it's not used more often. 346 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: It may be exhaustive as man hours. I don't know that, 347 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: but when minutes count for a mom and a baby, 348 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: I think it might be worth it. Nicole parton, what 349 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: do you know about the ping? We have the last 350 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: ping information from detectives and her phone was last Her 351 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: phone was last pinged at a place called ten miles. 352 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: Are you saying Defiance, yes, ma'am. Point Defiance Park and 353 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: it's a mile from her home ten mile Tan. That's 354 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: very odd. This park has a marina, kayaks, a dog park, 355 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: walking trails. It's a very busy place. Some of the 356 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: places are very out in the open, like the dog park, 357 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: the marina, and aquarium, but then there's some wooded areas. 358 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: There's some walking trails there as well. Crime Stories with 359 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,360 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, guys, I want to get back to our 360 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: search for Cassandra Cantrell, and we were talking about the 361 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,920 Speaker 1: phone pinging as Nicole Parton tells us ten miles away 362 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: from Cassandra's home at Defiance Park. Was she actually there 363 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: or was her phone left there? Nicole Parton, has her 364 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: phone been found? Her phone has not been found. That 365 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: detectives at least starn't releasing that information to us guys. 366 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: In another big break in the case. Listen to our 367 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: friend Kevin McCarty a k i R O seven news, 368 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: and this is the neighborhood that woman's car was found 369 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: abandoned near the Tacomodome and not too far from an 370 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: overpass on Interstate seven O five. Right now, investigators say 371 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: they have no clue, so they're hoping the public can 372 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: say something that will help them find out what happened 373 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: to Santa Contrell hasn't been seen for nearly a week. 374 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: Her family says the thirty three year old was scheduled 375 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: for an ultrasound August twenty fifth, after recently finding out 376 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: she was pregnant. And I had accidentally woke her up 377 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: and she told me to have a good day at 378 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: work and we did her funny voices she love you 379 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: and I'm like love you, that's it. She never showed 380 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 1: up for the meeting with her best friend who was 381 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 1: going with her, and never showed up for the appointment. 382 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: Cantrell's mother says when she heard her daughter's car had 383 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 1: been found near the Tacomadome almost four days later, she 384 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: knew something was wrong. What I hope worst case scenario, 385 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: he said, Maybe she was carjacked and she's just hurt somewhere, 386 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, doctor Angela Arnold hearing that mother Maurice Smith crying, 387 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: did you hear her earlier saying she had left a message, Hey, 388 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: you could have told me if you were going to 389 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: spend the night with your friend and ps, what do 390 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: you want for supper tonight? Do you notice how now 391 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,040 Speaker 1: she's blaming herself for, you know, kind of jokingly fussing 392 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: at her grown daughter for being gone over the night 393 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: overnight and trying to normalize it in her own psyche 394 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: by going, hey, what do you want for supper tonight? 395 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 1: Because you know that's the twins And yes, I know 396 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: it's crazy, but all the way to school in the morning, 397 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: I say, hey, what do you want for supper? And 398 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,960 Speaker 1: we all talk about this and that and blah blah, blah. 399 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: So in a way, it's kind of like a comfort zone. 400 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: You go to, Hey, what do you want for supper? 401 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 1: You're planning for something that night, Like, nothing is wrong. 402 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: Did you hear that exactly? And as far as the 403 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: mother was concerned, nothing was wrong. So we all have 404 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: to assume that Cassandra and her family were very happy 405 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: about this pregnancy. Everybody was very happy about this pregnancy, 406 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: and no one had a thought in their head that 407 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: anything was wrong. They were just going about their normal routine. 408 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to you about how everybody's 409 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 1: going about their normal routine and your life changes literally 410 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: in an instant. Take a listen to our friend AMR 411 00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 1: Lewis qute thirteen Fox. Thirty three year old Cassandra Cantrell 412 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: was last seen in a neighbor's ring video footage leaving 413 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,239 Speaker 1: her Parkland neighborhood last Tuesday morning. Family members they're not 414 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: sure where she was headed at that point, but they 415 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: have not seen her since Friday evening though. That's when 416 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,760 Speaker 1: Cassandra's white Mazda was found near the Tacoma Dome with 417 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: no one inside. Family members say this is suspicious because 418 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: she doesn't not frequent that area. So since then, search 419 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: crews have scoured Point Defiance Park as well for evidence, 420 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: but so far they have found no trace of Cassandra. 421 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: You know, if you think about stadiums, domes, that's a 422 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: heavily populated area. She wasn't going to the Tacoma Dome 423 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: that morning. She was going to an organic grocery stores, 424 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,919 Speaker 1: three months pregnant and getting ready for her very first sonogram. 425 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 1: Take a listen to the Pierce County Sheriff's detective Ed Troyer. 426 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: This is suspicious because everybody we've talked to, whether it 427 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 1: be family or friends, have let us know that this 428 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: is way out of character of her. And she lived 429 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 1: at home with her parents, and so everybody that was 430 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: around her said there's a problem here. And when that happens, 431 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: of course we got on it right away. We're able 432 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: to find the car. And when we found the car abandoned, 433 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: you know, that's another suspicious activity when the car somewhere 434 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: where it shouldn't have been and shows up overnight and 435 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 1: she's nowhere to be found. So we're working this case. Unfortunately, 436 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,919 Speaker 1: this is a tough word for the family and everybody 437 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,360 Speaker 1: to hear, but we're working this case. As if it's 438 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 1: a homicide, and so we're not doing anything that we 439 00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: wouldn't do on a regular case that would be considered 440 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 1: a homicide. And it's sad and it's unfortunate, but that's 441 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 1: the way we're doing it, and hopefully, you know, we 442 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,640 Speaker 1: get surprised and something's different. But at this point we're 443 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: going to continue to work it that way. James Shell, 444 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: not twenty seven years match a major case now, defense lawyer. 445 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: They need to be working two parallel investigations, one as 446 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: if it were a homicide and one as if it 447 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: were a kidnap missing person. Don't you think? Yes, no, 448 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: absolutely here But would that really be a different investigation? 449 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Is it really any different? Or is it all semantics? 450 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: You know what? There are a lot of overlaps. You know, 451 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: you're gonna want to certainly talk to the same people. 452 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna want to certainly look for the same information. 453 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: Are they a little bit of deviation? Is sure? You know, 454 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: But the bottom line orhether there's a missing person's case, 455 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: or whether or not you're looking at it as a 456 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: possible homicide case, you know you're gonna want to start 457 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,800 Speaker 1: doing some of the same basic things You're gonna want 458 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: to learn as much about Cassager as possible. You know, 459 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: what was her behavior, what was her mindset leading up 460 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: to the times? Say, she's drinking hot steamed coconut meal, 461 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: she's pregnant, she's living at home with her mother. Come on, man, 462 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: it's not like she's party girl. Casey Anthony, I'll a 463 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: stripper bowl. Let's hear more of the Pierce County she 464 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: have to take to place? Have you found a body? 465 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: At this point, we have not found her. She is 466 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 1: still missing under highly suspicious circumstances. We're continuing to do 467 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: multiple searches. We have other searches going on right now 468 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 1: as we speak, in different parts of the county. We 469 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 1: plan on continuing to do these searches and for a 470 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: couple of reasons, a process of elimination to make sure 471 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 1: that we did them, to fall up on all the 472 00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: evidence we have, and also if there's a the other 473 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: evidence Sarah, we can take that into consideration and use 474 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: it to continue the investigation of moving forward. Why is 475 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: the FBI involved. The FBI is involved strictly as an assistant. 476 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: They are not part of the investigative team. The FBI 477 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: is here because they have equipment and they have basically 478 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: one of the best forensic teams in the country, so 479 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: we need that for this particular case. We've called the 480 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: FBI let them know what we have, and they've graciously 481 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: allowed us to use their resources and people that can 482 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: do a lot to seeing to find out if something 483 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: various happen here or for something we need to take 484 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: a lookout further. Okay, bay to you, James shell Nutt 485 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,720 Speaker 1: And Okay, I'm sorry. I know came down on you. 486 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: I don't want your wife to email me again and 487 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: say how many I am to you? Okay, so please 488 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: tell her I apologize because now I need you again. 489 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: I don't know that I buy that. Why is the 490 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: FBI involved? I were just using the equipment. The FBI 491 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: doesn't just swooping in willie nilly. Yeah, I either like 492 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: you calls hey, if you guys aren't music could shoot 493 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: over here and get us saying there's a reason that 494 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: there's Yeah, they call him, I go, hey, what's she doing? 495 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 1: Can you come over? It just does happen that way, guys, um, 496 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: I would know. Guys. Another development, take a listen to 497 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: Roy Pierce County Sheriff. Listen at this point. We do 498 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: have a person that we want to either eliminate and 499 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: clear or name him as a suspect. There are some 500 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,479 Speaker 1: things that led up to this that we haven't released 501 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: yet that put us here. We're obviously here, you know, 502 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: not for any you know, there's a reason why we're here. 503 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 1: Judge signed to search warrant. We're here and we're going 504 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 1: to process this house and we're going to continue to 505 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: work this case forward, and we're going to continue to 506 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: work anybody that could be named as a suspect. But 507 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: we do, we do have a suspect that we want 508 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: to take a look out and to do a deeper 509 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: dive into to see what involvement. Tune Nicole parton Crime 510 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 1: online dot Com. I assume that we're talking about the 511 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: exit boyfriend. They served to search more on his house. 512 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: That's correct, Nancy. A detective Troyer said that the SWAT 513 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 1: team actually entered with force with flashbags in what the 514 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: detective called a dynamic entry to present the search warrant 515 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: on the ex boyfriend's home located on South Ka Street. 516 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 1: And I'm one question for you, is he the bio 517 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: dad of the unborn baby? Speculations are saying that he is, 518 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: her family is saying that he is not. If you 519 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: have information about this beautiful young mom to be, Cassandra Kenshell, 520 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: please call two five three seven nine eight seven five 521 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: three zero. We wait as justice unfollows Nancy Grace Crime's 522 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 1: try signing off Good Boyfriend