1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and load. So 2 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Michael very show is on the air. How long you 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: likes to drop the light speed? 4 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Take a few moments to get cordinates from the navistarted 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 2: the rate they're dating traveling through hyperspace and like dust 6 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: and crop boy pop, precise calculations fly right through a star? 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,279 Speaker 1: How closed with super and open not an injured crip 8 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: real quait wo sugut? How much I hate space dot. 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:56,319 Speaker 3: It's gonna be a long time du rat do fu. 10 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 4: Fucking Elon Musk is not a scientist. He is not 11 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 4: an engineer. He is a billionaire con man with a 12 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 4: lot of money. He does not have this kind of 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 4: good background. And in fact, while there's some disruption over that, 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 4: I sincerely ask you all, I sincerely ask you all 15 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 4: to examine what expertise he had. 16 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: Racket You're Jimmy right, this is your house? Sure? Is 17 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: I much? The Wolf's proverbs? Good? We got one? So 18 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: I heard I commit? 19 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, please do We can see that recovery vessels slowly 20 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 5: but surely closing the distance there between dolphin cam back again. 21 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 5: We can we can see that the dragon capsule, and 22 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 5: that is where our crew nine team members will egress 23 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 5: from the Dragon spacecraft. Now Here on your screen we 24 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 5: can see dolphins. Actually, who wants to come and play 25 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 5: with with Dragon? 26 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 6: Elon Musk saved the US space program. If it wasn't 27 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 6: the Elon Musk, we would not be able to fly 28 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 6: US astronauts from US soil to the International Space Station. 29 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: Make no, that is no doubt about it. 30 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 6: We stopped flying astronauts on Space Shuttle in twenty elevens. 31 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: Long time. 32 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 2: You can put this next segment into the burgeoning file 33 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: you have in your mind of do it today because 34 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: tomorrow is not promised. Live your life with purpose and intention, 35 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: not just being bounced around like a pinball, because it 36 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: will be over before you know it. Hug them tight 37 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 2: while you got him. I received an email from a 38 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 2: fellow that said, years ago, your show assisted us in 39 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: the death of our Marine son, Corporal Joseph Joey Logan. 40 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: I recently released a book, Fishing with Joey, which details 41 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 2: our three month cross country fishing trip before Joey was 42 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: deployed to Afghanistan. During the trip, we covered sixteen thousand 43 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 2: miles together. It was every father's dream and little did 44 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: I know that it would be our last. Would your 45 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 2: show be interested in featuring a brief interview regarding the 46 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 2: book and my experiences in becoming a gold Star family member. 47 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for considering this, and of course for your 48 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 2: previous assistance with our family situation. Sincerely, Tom Logan, Willis, Texas. 49 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: Welcome to the program. 50 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: Tom, Thank you very much. It's been an honor. And 51 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: you wouldn't believe emotions right now, It's amazing. Yep. I 52 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: would believe them. 53 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: I just can't understand them, and that is because I 54 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: haven't felt what you felt. I can only imagine, and 55 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: I suspect that what I imagine is one percent or less. 56 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: It is an exponential explosion of grief that you have 57 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 2: to have losing your son. We're not supposed to bury 58 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: our children. It's just not supposed to happen. No, it isn't, 59 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 2: but it happens. 60 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: You know war. 61 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 2: The book is called Fishing with Joey, And let's take 62 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 2: it in a timeline, slowly, piece by piece. Let's talk 63 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 2: about your son Joey. Tell me about him as a kid, 64 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 2: when he was a little f uh. 65 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: Joey was always that a personality he had, He had 66 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: an opinion about everything, just like his dad, and we 67 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: had to problem him back several times. He can imagine 68 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,040 Speaker 1: he was a protector even when he was younger. If 69 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: he saw something not right or wrong, or somebody's getting 70 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: picked on, he would stepped in and he got in 71 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: trouble for a few fights. But he was he was 72 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: the he was the person that people respected and they 73 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: didn't mess with. And that followed on through his whole life, 74 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, even in high school. I remember one time 75 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: that the new kid came into school and the regular 76 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: thugs were picking on him, and Joyce's comarre sit with 77 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: me at lunch and they're not going to bother you again, 78 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: and they left him alone. So he hadn't He had 79 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: a presence all the time, which was great. 80 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 2: And how did you come to find out that he 81 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: was going to join the Marines? 82 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: Was this a surprise? Is something he had talked about? No, 83 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't really surprised because just a brief story of 84 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: our family history, there were so many members in our 85 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: family that served in the military, probably on both sides 86 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: of the family. I mean, even going back to the 87 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 1: Civil War. My grandfather on the Italian side immigrated from 88 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: Italy prior to World War one. He wanted to be 89 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: a citizen so bad that he enlisted in the army 90 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: and went back to France and fought into battles and 91 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: the trenches. And then after that, dads, my dads and 92 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 1: uncles and his brothers and their brothers and everybody else 93 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: served in World War Two, had uncles and relatives in Korea. 94 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: Mabbey and I are Vietnam era veterans, and we had 95 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: three children involved in the Golf Wars when Joey passed away. 96 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Was Joey, Tommy my oldest son, who was in the Navy, 97 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 1: and Andy, my youngest daughter, was in the Marine Corps. 98 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: And plus my son in law was in the army. 99 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: And then my daughter Andy's husband was also in the 100 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: Marine Corps. So we've been we've been up there on 101 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: the front lines quite a bit. 102 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 2: And all of those entered the Marine Corps before Joey did. 103 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: They were all about the same time. Tommy and Joey 104 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: were in a race to join the Marine colign An Army. Yeah, 105 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 1: it was the wars were going on, it was active. 106 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: Everything was going on in irracing Aghaanstan and what was 107 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: going to do. Sorry, I'm sorry, they knew what was 108 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: going on. They knew the war was there, you. 109 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: Know, what was going on in his life personally when 110 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: he makes the decision to join the Marines. Is he working, 111 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: is he home from school? Is he figuring it out? 112 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: He had just graduated high school. And I guess you 113 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: don't realize that your children listen to you and emulate 114 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: you their whole life, but you don't think they're paying attention. 115 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: But he saw what my wife and I did. We 116 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 1: you know, we enlisted there in the Vietnam War, and 117 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: both of us served in the Houston Police Department. I 118 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: did twenty one years, twenty eight years. Debt did twenty 119 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 1: one years. So he was he was he was looking 120 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: at something to serve. He wanted to help, and and 121 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: all of a sudden he starts going to the recruiters 122 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: that he he depends. He decided, I'm gonna go on 123 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: in the Rine Corps. All right. Tom Logan is our guest. 124 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: The book is called Fishing with Joey. 125 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: Where I can't believe he just said that happens the 126 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: Michael Arry Show. 127 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 1: Tom Logan is our guest. His son, Marine Corporal Joey Logan. 128 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: Was deployed to Afghanistan, where he died in a helicopter crash. 129 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: Prior to that, for three months, Tom Logan traveled across 130 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: the country, spending father sometime. He wrote a book about 131 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: what that time meant to him, called Fishing with Joey 132 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 2: and he is our guest. Tom ray Hunt tells me 133 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 2: that many years ago y'all rode together. Y'all were partners 134 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 2: at HPD. 135 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, night shift on the West Side. We had 136 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: some rowdy times theand man, wow. 137 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 2: I said, I said, tell me some interesting things about it, 138 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 2: And he said, he's just a calm transplant from some 139 00:09:17,520 --> 00:09:20,199 Speaker 2: Yankee state. I can't recall which one. I think we 140 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: rode t two o G eighties. 141 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: Beat is that right? Twenty G eighties? How do you 142 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: say that? Yep? Yeah, yeah, Twin Georgia up the north 143 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: end of this city up there, Yeah where west Time 144 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: Mari area, all the way out to thee the city 145 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: limits back then? Yeah, how about that? 146 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: Oh oh no, no, no, that's a different He's told 147 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 2: me about different areas that he worked over the years. 148 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: So you go on this trip with your son three months, 149 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 2: you know, nobody thinks to do that. What most people 150 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 2: would have said is when you get back you'll have 151 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 2: some great stories to tell me. So when you get back, 152 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: let's let's take some time. How did you have three 153 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: months you retired by that time. 154 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had just retired in two thousand and eight. 155 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: I went into work one day and it looked around 156 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,680 Speaker 1: he had twenty eight years with HPD, and I'm like, 157 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm done. You know, you get to the point, you know, 158 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: when you've had enough. And you know, at that many years, 159 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: we were settled w and I had a house up here, 160 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: and Willison she had retired already, and the kids were 161 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: getting older. I mean, you know, Joe was eighteen nineteen then, 162 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 1: and I says, we lost a lot of time with 163 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 1: our kids because we worked so much. So you know, 164 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: you can't make it up what you could do with them, 165 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: but you can. And that's what happened with the decision 166 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 1: trip with Joe. He was the only one out of 167 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: five kids that really loved the outdoors like I did, 168 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: and we decided after he graduated from high school, I 169 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: was going to go fishing for the first year. I 170 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: told my wife. She said, well, you're a fisher, holice, 171 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: just go, but you're taking him with you. I'm like, yeah, 172 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 1: I know, but he had herself pretty bad falling on 173 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: a piece of glass way prior to that, and he 174 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: had severed his artery, tendance, nerves and everything in his hand. 175 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: And he called me, you know his dad, Dad, my 176 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: wrist is cutting blood is square. I got my wrist, 177 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: I said, Joe, get your friends to put a tourniquet 178 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:12,079 Speaker 1: out there and rush you to the emergency room. So 179 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of his rehab and his journey. 180 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Also because he was already pre enlisted in the Marine 181 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,599 Speaker 1: Corps and he figured, I'm done. I'm going to be 182 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: a cripple my whole life. Because the wound was severe 183 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:30,200 Speaker 1: or terrible. And the surgeon that put his hand back together, 184 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 1: How can there be a microsurgeon on call at four 185 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: o'clock in the morning, And so this poor kids handback together, nerves, iuries, tendons, 186 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: liquaments and everything. And there was actually no record in 187 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: the books of who the surgeon was. So I look 188 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: at it. I look at it as an angel putting 189 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: that kid's hand back together and given a chance in life. 190 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 1: It was amazing. 191 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: I would love to find out who that hand surgeon was. 192 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 2: When would this have been and where. 193 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:04,559 Speaker 1: This was graduated? High school two thousand and eight, so 194 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: it'd be two thousand and eight, and it would be 195 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: about six months prior to us going fishing. We started 196 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: fishing in the May June, so that would be uh, 197 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: that would be timeline. So that's made June of nine. 198 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 1: Has he graduated, because he's graduated at that point. He 199 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: graduated eight. Okay, so you got to back up, back 200 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 1: up about six months, seven months prior to that, so 201 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: it would be beginning of beginning of eight. And where 202 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: was the surgeon. Where was the surgery performed? From my knowledge, 203 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: they took them to Ben tob and from there we're 204 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: we're in panic mode. I couldn't even tell you. I've 205 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: got the medical record. So okay, well there's your answer. 206 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: You know, doctors have told me when you have a 207 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 2: severe trauma like that Ben Todd. 208 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: Is because they're doing that all night long. 209 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 2: I mean, if you've I've been down there in the 210 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 2: middle of the night's gunshots, knife things. 211 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: It's it's rough. Yeah, I worked at Ben Top night 212 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: shift route there. 213 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: Those guys are a drilling junkies, and those those guys, 214 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 2: those goosh guys are amazing. I mean to think what 215 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: a toll that takes on you. But you know that's there. 216 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: That's kind of their super Bowl. They're they're good at it. 217 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: They're making a professional reward, all right, So y'all start 218 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:22,280 Speaker 2: the fishing trip. 219 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Well, prior to that, he had 220 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: to go through rehab because his hand was so messed up. 221 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 1: So he had to go through physical therapy and he 222 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,439 Speaker 1: had just a wonderful nurse and I think he sort 223 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 1: of fell in love with her too, but that's that's 224 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: a whole nother story. And it got to the point 225 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: that his hand was working, but it wasn't working properly. 226 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 1: So I decided I was going to go fishing anyway, 227 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: and Debbie and I decided he's going to go. So 228 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 1: I told him, get your fishing rod, get your fly rod, 229 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: get out in the backyard. Let me see you cast it. 230 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: You know, he was whining about it. I'm like, I 231 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: don't think I can't. I'm gonna do it. You know, 232 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: I don't play my kids. They get their hardcore. And 233 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: he started doing it. He started doing it. Okay, we're 234 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: going to load the truck with everything we got and 235 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: fishing camping gear, Coleman stoves, you know, all the fly 236 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 1: rods and spinning rods and everything you could imagine to 237 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: go on a fishing trip. But he had no idea 238 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: that we're gonna stay gone from god June too. We 239 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: got back mid October. It was almost four months by 240 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: time we got back. And the first thing he says, 241 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: where were going to go? Arkansas. I'm like, we're going 242 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: to start there. So we used to fight fish the 243 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: White River in Arkansas for trout, and it was, you know, 244 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: an amazing place to fish because anybody can catch a 245 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: fish there. And that's how we started. And I had 246 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: the whole route planned out a year ahead of time 247 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: for myself with the trout magazines of fishing magazine, so 248 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: I had got to all the you know itinerary to 249 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: go and I highlighted every place we're going to go. 250 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: And then while we were on our way, we loaded 251 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: the truck and left and Debby waved goodbye to see 252 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: you guys later. And I don't think she knew how 253 00:14:53,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: long we're gonna stay gone. So tell me about that trip. Well, 254 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: it's like I said, it started in Arkansas, and we 255 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: fished nine states, most of them Western Mississippi. There was Arkansas, 256 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: naturally Missouri Oregon, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Colorado, Nice, Arizona, I'm 257 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: not done yet, Arizona, Wyoming, British Columbia, and Saskatchewan. And 258 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: we drove. I drove most of the time, sixteen thousand miles. 259 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the Lewis and Clark expedition? Of course, yeah, 260 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: Well they only traveled eight thousand miles and we doubled there. Yeah, 261 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: we doubled their expedition, but they weren't doing it at 262 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: eighty miles an hour. I don't hold on just a second. 263 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 1: The book is called Fishing with Joey. We're talking to 264 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,239 Speaker 1: a gold star Dad, Tom Logan. 265 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: Were coming on the most dangerous places between Sheila Jackson 266 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 2: Lee and the Camp Maco Berry. 267 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: And the Triple Crown. 268 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 2: Weave is you know, Tilton to the side, the leaning 269 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 2: tower of They retired HPD officer on right now. But 270 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 2: I spent three months with his son Joey Logan before 271 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: Joey would go off to serve in Afghanistan, where he 272 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: was deployed as a marine. That trip would be the last. 273 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: He wrote a book about it after his son Joey 274 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: Logan died in Afghanistan, and the book is called Fishing 275 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: with Joey. You can find it wherever you buy your books, online, bookstores, 276 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 2: you name it. So Tom Logan, tell me about the 277 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: day and we'll come back to the trip itself. But 278 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: tell me about the day that you get the awful 279 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: news about your son. 280 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's riveting. It's like I say, we 281 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: were at home the ten thirty at night. But prior 282 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: to that, in the morning, Joe had called us from 283 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: Afghanistan and he says, Hey, I'm coming home in twenty 284 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: eight days. I'm going to take your truck and do 285 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. And the main thing he had 286 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: he said, he was focused on, I'm going to go 287 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: visit every living relative I have, from grandparents to babies. 288 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: And I'm like, Joe, that's impossible. You can't do it 289 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: in thirty days. See, I'm going to do it. And 290 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: the ironic thing that happened is every living family member 291 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: that we had at ten at his funeral. How does 292 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: that happen? I mean, it's impossible, But they came, came, 293 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: he came home, and they came home to send him 294 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 1: to heaven, you know, and you know you just talked 295 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: to him that that morning Hey, I'm coming home. I 296 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 1: can't wait. You know, we're going to go fishing again. 297 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: We got all kinds of stuff to do. I hope. 298 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: I was planning on as I got older, him taking 299 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: me somewhere, you know, and that was our plan and 300 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: never never retained tuition. So we get to knock on 301 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 1: the door ten thirty at night and Debbie's looking out 302 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: the window. He says, there's two marines out there and 303 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: one looks like Joey. I said, death. There's no way 304 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: that can be joe We just talked to him in Afghanistan, 305 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: and then the reality said him. And we opened the 306 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: door and they, you know, they presented themselves and they 307 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: presented a paperwork and said Joey had been killed in 308 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: a helicopter crash, and everything went spiraling downhill. From there. 309 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: You're in disbelief. You have no clue what your mind 310 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 1: goes through and where your senses go. It was just 311 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: it was devastating. You know. At that time, we had 312 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: three kids deployed. Tommy was in the Persian golf, Andy 313 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: was marine course, she was flying drone somewhere, and Joey 314 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: was in combat find finding helicopters. So at first we 315 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,479 Speaker 1: didn't know what happened to any of them, and then 316 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: they told us about joe what happened As far as 317 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: the helicopter crash. You're saying, well, this there's always controversy 318 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 1: about that kind of stuff, you know. And they're flying 319 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: a resupply mission to a fob out in the the 320 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: on the desert out there, and the unit that was 321 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: out there was running along supplies. They had didn't have 322 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: harden any food of the water, and they could not 323 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,919 Speaker 1: come back in by road because the i DS and 324 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: the Taliban were really intense out there. So Joey and 325 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: his crew it was the second second resupply that night, 326 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: flew out the second time to drop off supplies to them, 327 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: and it was just a random ran M resupply. They'd 328 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: done it hundreds of times. And there were two helicopters 329 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: went out. They'd go out in pairs. And I talked 330 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: to the other crew of the other helicopter and all 331 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: they said they saw a flash and then the helicopter 332 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: started coming out of sky, hit the ground, exploded and 333 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: caught on fire. And that's that's the crash. And we 334 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: don't know if it was mechanical or enemy fire, but 335 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: Joey always talked about the golden bullet. He says, all 336 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: you need is the right bullet in the right place, 337 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 1: and you've got problems mechanically. And he said, as soon 338 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: as we left base there at Camp Leather, at Camp Bastion, 339 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: we're catching ground fire from the time we flew out 340 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: to the time and came back, So anything could have happened. 341 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: And the Marine, i mean, the Department of Navy sent 342 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: us a redacted a report of everything, and I have 343 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: not read the whole thing yet because it's too it's 344 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: too intense, because you could imagine what happens when you 345 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: fall from four thousand feet and hit the ground and explode, 346 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: catching on fire, you know. So that memory is forever 347 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: in my mind. It's not going to go away, you know. 348 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: And six good marine died that night, you know. And 349 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: it was it was not just joe It's there was 350 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: you know, the pilot which is Daniel Bartle and Nathan 351 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: McCone was a coned pilot of both captains UH Master 352 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Sergeant Travis Riddick, he was Master sergeant, had twenty years 353 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: he could have retired. He went back to Aghanistan. Jesse 354 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: Sipes was a corporal Kevin Reinhert was a corporal and 355 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: Joe was a corporal and they love what they're doing. 356 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: Joey called me one time from Afghanistan. I guess what, 357 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 1: I got the greatest job in the world. I'm like, 358 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: tell me what? Come on? And he says, I get 359 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: the I around helicopters all day and all night, shoot 360 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: big guns that get paid for them. I Joe, just 361 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: get home. It's just quick enough is enough. You've fought 362 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 1: enough wars out there. In that last deployment, he was 363 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: the most flown observer aerial observer, which means he was 364 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: on a fifty cal machine gun with two other corporals 365 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: giving ground support to the troops on the ground. And 366 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:28,240 Speaker 1: he was awarded two Arrowing Medals with Strike Flight, which 367 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: means he who in that deployment seven months over forty 368 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: two combat missions. So he was running a gun and 369 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: that many times. And John knows how many other missions. 370 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,720 Speaker 1: He flew resupplies and they had special ops. I've talked 371 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: to some Marines and MARSAC guys. Yeah, those guys were 372 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: flying us all over the place. So those men, those 373 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: Marines were really intense, dedicated individuals. Comp superman. There are heroes. 374 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:59,199 Speaker 1: So that's that's what it was all about. They stepped 375 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: forward their over the less of one percent of this country. 376 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 1: They said, I'm going to do this for our country, 377 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: our flag, our nation, people of population here, and I 378 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: wish more people would understand that, you know, and show 379 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: these guys some respect and honor they deserve. Yeah. Yeah, 380 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: and that's what I's I think that's what the main 381 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: reason for writing this book was because there was a 382 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: divine intervention with me because I'm not that bright. I 383 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: might sound like I got a brain half the time 384 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: is you know, turn off. But I started journaling from 385 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: the first day, writing notes and journaling and remembering stuff, 386 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,199 Speaker 1: and you know, his military experiences, the fishing trip and 387 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: everything else. And to some of the wonderful people. Over 388 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: the last thirteen years, they have come into our lives 389 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 1: and they still are helping, which is amazing that there's 390 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: so so many great patriots, of so many great individuals 391 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: in this country that really care, and that that makes 392 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: me feel good. Every day I wake up like what's 393 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: the next email, who's the next phone call? I call 394 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: them miracles. 395 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 2: Hold on just a moment, Hold on, just a moment. 396 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 2: Tom Logan is our guest. The book is called Fishing 397 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 2: with Joey. This is not a war story. This is 398 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,919 Speaker 2: a story about grief and dealing with it and making. 399 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: The most memories. And he will take it to that level. 400 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: Coming up, Jelly and the girls all get pretty at 401 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 3: closing time when you're listening to the Michael Berry Show. 402 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 2: Make memories, folks, and while you still can, you just 403 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: don't know. We're not promised tomorrow. HPD officer Tom Logan 404 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 2: had retired after twenty eight years on the department. His 405 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 2: wife twenty one retired to Willis, Texas. His son, Joseph 406 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: Joey Logan had just graduated in Willis, Texas and signed 407 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 2: up for the Marines. He's headed off his dad and 408 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: he go on a three month cross country fishing trip 409 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 2: across multiple states and countries, and they made memories. His 410 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 2: son would pass in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan, and 411 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: he began journaling about those what he called divine coincidences 412 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,120 Speaker 2: to deal with his grief, and out of that came 413 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 2: the Fishing with Joey. 414 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: You can find it. 415 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: On Amazon or at any bookstore or wherever else you 416 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: buy your books. Is there a website for this book, Tom, Yeah, 417 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: it's on Amazon. 418 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: You click on it and you just put in fishing 419 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: for Joey and it comes up, you know, for sale 420 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: there in Amazon. I like to see something about Amazon too. 421 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: The book is in the pretty much religious, spiritual Christian 422 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: book and death and grief category and right now is 423 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,360 Speaker 1: sitting at number one as far as Amazon, and it's 424 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: ready to five stars. I was, Oh, that's good, right, 425 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: that is amazing. And nothing get the five star in 426 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: this world, buddy, it's always four and three eighths or 427 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 1: whatever else or a two. 428 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: You are, You're a five star gold star Dad. I 429 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: think it's fantastic that out of this grief you managed 430 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: to channel that into something that can help other people. 431 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,360 Speaker 2: And and that's a very selfless act. Hard, I think 432 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: for some people to realize that. But I know you 433 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 2: know that as a law enforcement officer from a family 434 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: of service. I read that you're that you created a 435 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,879 Speaker 2: Montana Mountain retreat out of this. 436 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. Oh that was that's that's another miracle. 437 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: I mean, Joey and I fished so many places, and 438 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: after we came out of British Columbia, we dropped down 439 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: into Montana. Libby Montana, and that's when I think he 440 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: fell in love with Montana and he just talked about it, 441 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,840 Speaker 1: talked about it. Matter of fact, Daniel Bartlet, pilot was 442 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 1: from Montana, so I think they both had conversations about Montana, 443 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: whither buying and hanging out together. So Joey's last phone 444 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 1: call home that morning I was telling about earlier, was 445 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: all about buying property in Montana, building cabins for Marine 446 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 1: Corps buds to come back and just decompress and relax 447 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: and enjoy the enjoy the wilderness. And then you know, 448 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: that night, we got the call and Debbie, my wife, 449 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: said we need to do this for Joey. That's his legacy. 450 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: I'm like, Dad, it's really hard for me to go 451 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: back and retrace all those places and all the memories 452 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: were well up, and she said, we're doing it. So 453 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 1: we ended up getting into We went in a Toyota 454 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,400 Speaker 1: Corola and drove all the way back to Montana, talked 455 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: to a couple of real estate agents, and we finally 456 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: found this beautiful piece of Montana wilderness, one hundred and 457 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: sixty five acres four miles up on a mountain road 458 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: in the middle of Lolo National Forest and Lolo National 459 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: Forest running. Our property is three thousand, one hundred and 460 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: fifty square miles of Montana, Idaho wilderness. So it's it's 461 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: it's it's unbelievable that that happened. There's no there's no 462 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: possible way unless the hand of God just guided us 463 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,160 Speaker 1: right to the place. And from there we started building 464 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 1: six cabins, and one in honor of each of our 465 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: fallen marines. Then we've got five out of six up 466 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: and running. We've got one more to put up, and 467 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,200 Speaker 1: our goal is to get our combat veterans and disabled 468 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: veterans up there and we'll let them enjoy what Joey 469 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: and I enjoyed and what we love. And it's beautifless 470 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: off the grid. A lot of times there's no cell 471 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: phone or internet reception, so you've got to enjoy your surroundings. 472 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: You can't be on the phone round the laptop, you know, 473 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: connecting with the real world. And that's what it's all about. 474 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 1: Disconnect and relax and look at the stars at night, 475 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: look at the wilderness. Going to hike. The Clark Fork 476 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: River is right down the mountain below us, and there's 477 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: fishing there, kayaking, canoeing, all kinds of outdoor activities. So if 478 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 1: you love the outdoors, it's a perfect place to bring yourself, 479 00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: your fellow Marines, soldiers, Navy, and your families. We want 480 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 1: to have a family orient because when guys come back 481 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: from the deployment, they're disconnected. They never leave the war, 482 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: and their families suffer. Their kids suffer, their wife suffer. 483 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 1: People don't understand the PTSD and everything else that is 484 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: wrapped up in their minds, plus the physical physical injuries. 485 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: It's a really hard road to tow. Matter of fact, 486 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to a PTSD meeting every Tuesday at the 487 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: Messodist Church in the Woodlands strictly for combat PTSD veterans, 488 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: and I guess I got grief, grief, PTSD demeter the 489 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: same things. Because all we do is think about what happened. 490 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 1: It's hard, it's hard to hard to process. So that's 491 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: why we're up there in Montana and we do it 492 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: seasonally from end of May until October for the snow 493 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: starts hitting again. They we're back to Texas working and stuff. Here. 494 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 2: I'm involved with a group called the PTSD Foundation of 495 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: America and residential facility called Camp Hope, and. 496 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: That's that's that's where these guys come from. Camp Hope 497 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 1: and I'm a good probably hopefully this week and actually 498 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,719 Speaker 1: do a tour with them and talk to the management 499 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: up there and see if they cause figure out how 500 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 1: to sense a group of guys up there. Just a 501 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: just a that's what I was thinking. That's what I 502 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: was thinking. What a neat deal. 503 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 2: One hundred and sixty four acres next to the Lolo 504 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 2: National Forest in Montana and soon to be six cabins 505 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 2: five so far. That's uh, you know that that is 506 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 2: really that's incredible. That y'all have been able to pull 507 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 2: that off is incredible. Two police officers and able to 508 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: make this a reality as man. It's just it's a 509 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: it really is amazing. I have about a minute left. 510 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 2: Why don't you share with us how you deal with 511 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 2: what has to be crippling. 512 00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: Grief? Have you learned some some things that you can 513 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 1: share on that? Yeah, And I think that's the basic 514 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: reason for the book. I want to share what I 515 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: do and with other gold Star families all over the country, 516 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: all over the world, and it's finding something positive every day, 517 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: something that makes you happy, relive the good memories and 518 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: the bad memories, will always be there. But take it 519 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: upon yourself to enjoy every minute of your life, enjoy 520 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: your family, your children, and the people that surround you 521 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: that are good people, and make it a celebration of 522 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: their lives. And that's that's what it's all about you, 523 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, and every every day I 524 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: get up, I've got so many hobbies with the outdoors 525 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: and hunting and fishing and stuff like that. And I 526 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: was working with Healing Waters for a while, helping them 527 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: build fly rods or disabled vets and fishing and stuff 528 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: like that. So I always get involved with a like 529 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: minded group and people that they love their kids as 530 00:30:58,320 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: much as we love ours. 531 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 2: Thank you for telling your story. Thank you for your 532 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 2: family service. The book is called Fishing with Joey