WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: Iran Ceasefire Expires, Corrupt Military Contractors, Florida Election 

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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<v Speaker 2>newscast covering what's happening in the White House, the crumbling world,

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<v Speaker 2>and what this means for you. I'm Garrison Davis today.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do we do?

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<v Speaker 3>This episode? We're covering the week of August twelfth through

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<v Speaker 3>August nineteenth, So I guess I'll start with I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>reports that ICE is using parked vehicles, I guess as

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<v Speaker 3>staging points for cameras. And I've seen videos of what

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<v Speaker 3>appeared to be licensed plate flippers on ICE vehicles. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're not familiar, right, like, there's been lots and lots

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<v Speaker 3>of reports of ICE agents like manually changing license plates.

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<v Speaker 3>This just appears to be a device goes whoop, rotates

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and eighty degrees, so you got two license

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<v Speaker 3>plates available. A lot of the pitches, we saw a

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<v Speaker 3>man being I'm not sure if he was arrested or

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<v Speaker 3>just like harassed for saying like, why don't you have

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<v Speaker 3>a license plate on your vehicle? Why don't you have

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<v Speaker 3>a plate on your vehicle? And it very much appears

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<v Speaker 3>if that vehicle had a license plate flipper on the front. Secondly,

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<v Speaker 3>CBP is pausing all construction in Big Bend. This is

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<v Speaker 3>according to Rodney Scott, who's the CVP commissioner, who says

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<v Speaker 3>he is personally on his way there to conduct a

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<v Speaker 3>quite personal evaluation. It's entirely unclear like what that means

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<v Speaker 3>and what are the criteria for this evaluation? Right, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>there are dozens of laws, treaties and regulations that cover

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of thing that they are doing in the

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<v Speaker 3>place that they are doing it, and they have waived

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<v Speaker 3>all of them. So this is what we get now, right,

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<v Speaker 3>we get Rodney Scott going on a plane and just

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<v Speaker 3>like giving it the like the imperial thumbs up or

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<v Speaker 3>thumbs down like some kind of Roman emperor. I guess,

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<v Speaker 3>like this is a thing that wouldn't fly in like

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<v Speaker 3>a hereditary monarchy like the UK, right where we now

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<v Speaker 3>have one person making this choice that everyone will have

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<v Speaker 3>to live with forever. They are destroying a place which

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<v Speaker 3>is beautiful and one of the places that has not

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<v Speaker 3>been ruined by like capitalism, and the one of the

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<v Speaker 3>few large areas of public land in Texas. So I

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<v Speaker 3>will keep you updated on what Rodney Scott decides to

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<v Speaker 3>do I will probably do an episode on my other

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<v Speaker 3>show Natural Causes about Big Bend soon. And then finally,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, as we're talking about border wall stuff from me,

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<v Speaker 3>people are conducting a tree sit in a cottonwood tree

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<v Speaker 3>in Arizona. The cottonwood tree. It's a very old cottonwood tree,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes called Grandmother tree. These people are trying to protect

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<v Speaker 3>it from being destroyed due to border wall construction. They've

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<v Speaker 3>been sitting in that tree for several weeks. Now I

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<v Speaker 3>will eventually go visit them. It's going to go visit them,

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<v Speaker 3>but I went to Spokane when those fires struck. Instead,

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<v Speaker 3>they have been joined by someone on the Mexican side,

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<v Speaker 3>So now there are two tree sitters, making this the

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<v Speaker 3>first international tree sit that I am ever aware of.

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<v Speaker 3>That rules Yeah, no, it's great. Oh yeah, hell yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well like trees don't know borders, right. Yeah. As I

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<v Speaker 3>highlighted in my other podcast, Natural Causes, the US left

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<v Speaker 3>really fucked up. NAFTA came in by not saying, if

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to try and pay people less in Mexico,

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<v Speaker 3>then we will try and organize people in Mexico and

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<v Speaker 3>together that we will demand dignified wedges and conditions. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>glad that people are not taking that approach anymore because

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't get us anywhere. Yeah, I'll keep covering the

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<v Speaker 3>situation there as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So, speaking of I guess the long range effects of

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<v Speaker 4>NAFTA KOSB, which is the Korean stock index, hit its

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<v Speaker 4>circuit breaker, which is the breaker that hits if you

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<v Speaker 4>lose too much percentage of the stock market's value again

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<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday. I genuinely have lost count of the number

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<v Speaker 4>of times that it has been triggered over the past

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<v Speaker 4>few months. This has become a regular recurrence in one

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<v Speaker 4>of the largest and most important stock markets in the world.

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<v Speaker 4>This time it was fueled by a collapse of tech

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<v Speaker 4>stocks and the Brett Fruit Index hitting ninety dollars a barrel.

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<v Speaker 4>We will be getting into some more of the impacts

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<v Speaker 4>of that later.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>My guess is that it's going to rebound as everyone

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<v Speaker 4>buys the dip tomorrow. But any one of these could

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<v Speaker 4>be the one where it does rebound, and we will

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<v Speaker 4>let you know whether the global economic collapses on.

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<v Speaker 1>Yay, Yeah, what happens if there's not a rebound? What

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<v Speaker 1>is that going to look?

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<v Speaker 3>Like odd, everyone's fucked.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean like in terms of like what is

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<v Speaker 1>your expecting cascade of events?

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<v Speaker 4>If that goes down, Oh, the entire global economy goes under,

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<v Speaker 4>because the Korean stock market right now is basically a

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<v Speaker 4>kind of tragedy as forest version of the American market

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<v Speaker 4>where most of almost all of the value is congealed

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<v Speaker 4>into these three AI yeah, three three companies that yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>basically make AI chips, right, and then the rest of

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<v Speaker 4>the value down the chaine is people doing weird gambling

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<v Speaker 4>stuff on different AI components. If the market just actually crashes,

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<v Speaker 4>that is those three companies, and you know we're talking

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<v Speaker 4>like Samsung here, right, these are vital components in the

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<v Speaker 4>entire AI. I mean not just the AI sere obviously

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<v Speaker 4>the Samsung, right, Like we're talking about you know, things

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<v Speaker 4>that are vital components and the big tech companies yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>in like all the manufacturing of tech all over the world.

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<v Speaker 4>If that stuff goes down, that takes the American markets

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<v Speaker 4>with it, That takes all of all global markets that

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<v Speaker 4>are reliant on these AI surges go with it. And

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<v Speaker 4>that's kind of just the beginning of the poppy of

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<v Speaker 4>the tech bubble.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to get to that because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>it is this mirror of exactly what's gone on in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. I guess the big difference is that

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<v Speaker 1>so far, the obvious signs of trouble in South Korea

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<v Speaker 1>have not set off alarm bells in at least in

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<v Speaker 1>American investors to the extent that you might expect. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 4>There's been some Like it tends to be the other

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<v Speaker 4>way around, where Kosby tends to kind of be following

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<v Speaker 4>the American markets, But there have definitely been days where, like,

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<v Speaker 4>because of the time difference in Korea, all of the

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<v Speaker 4>American investors wake up to watch like ten percent going down,

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<v Speaker 4>like ten percent of the value of the Korean stock

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<v Speaker 4>market disappearing in one night, and in that like lowers

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<v Speaker 4>American stocks, and then Trump says something about the war

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<v Speaker 4>ending and it goes back up again. So there has

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<v Speaker 4>been some notice it, but our grand collective delusion to

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<v Speaker 4>maintain the functioning of capitalism continues.

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<v Speaker 3>Great, good, good good.

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<v Speaker 2>On Tuesday, there was a JP debate for the South

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<v Speaker 2>Carolina US Senate special runoff election. So it's a special

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<v Speaker 2>election and a runoff, and in this debate, sister of

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<v Speaker 2>the fallen Lindsay Graham, Darlene Graham, could not answer a

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<v Speaker 2>pretty rudimentary foreign policy question because it is not her

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<v Speaker 2>area of expertise. Let's take a lesson, Senator, Are Taiwan

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<v Speaker 2>in the South China Sea national security issues for the

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<v Speaker 2>United States?

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<v Speaker 5>If so, why, I'm sorry, could you repeat the good

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<v Speaker 5>our Taiwan and the South China Sea national security issues

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<v Speaker 5>for the United States? And if so, why or how?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to be honest to you. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>on national security that I'm not informed on national security,

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<v Speaker 5>so but I do support the military. My brother was

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<v Speaker 5>in the Air Force for thirty three years, so I

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<v Speaker 5>will do everything I can to support the military.

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<v Speaker 3>Great stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, honesty, that's what we need in politicians.

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<v Speaker 4>Is I love hereditary seats. This is an amazing feature

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<v Speaker 4>of what is supposed to be a representative democracy. It's

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<v Speaker 4>so good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I don't know shit about fuck, but I

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<v Speaker 1>love the army.

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<v Speaker 2>That's incredible. She later goes on to literally say it's

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<v Speaker 2>on her quote unquote area of expertise. It just talks

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<v Speaker 2>about how regardless she will always support the US military

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<v Speaker 2>it's a townded Lindsay Graham rolling over in his grave.

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<v Speaker 2>So that is Darley and graham sister Lindsay Graham, who

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<v Speaker 2>is facing Republican Ralph Norman in this runoff election, winner

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<v Speaker 2>of which will then face the Democrat doctor Annie Andrews

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<v Speaker 2>for this general election in November to replace Lindsay's seat.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty cool, God, I hope she wins the primary. I

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<v Speaker 4>want to see more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this will be highly amusing if nothing else.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I want to briefly mention some new information

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<v Speaker 2>regarding the federal investigations into anti ice protests in the

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<v Speaker 2>Twin Cities, based on some newly released court documents. This

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<v Speaker 2>was first reported in the New York Times, and I

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<v Speaker 2>have read through the like thirty page motion filed by

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<v Speaker 2>the defense that unveiled these documents and a number of

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<v Speaker 2>the thirty some exhibits. And I'll report on this in full,

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<v Speaker 2>probably next week with its own episode. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>want to discuss with the group here a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>So four days after CPB killed Alex pretty DHS open

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<v Speaker 2>investigation into labor unions and left wing activist groups that

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<v Speaker 2>they thought were involved in funding the anti ice protests

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<v Speaker 2>and quote providing material support to violent opportunists unquote. This

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<v Speaker 2>HSI investigation amounted to a massive spying operation called Operation

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<v Speaker 2>puppet Master and later Operation Whipple Shield. Whipple is the

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<v Speaker 2>name of the federal building that was at the heart

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of the protests in the Twin Cities,

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<v Speaker 2>and these operations ended up probing three years of financial

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<v Speaker 2>records from organizations like Sunrise Movement, the Communication Workers of America,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Healthcare Union SCIU as a part of a

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<v Speaker 2>quote unquote financial investigation into quote unquote domestic terrorist financing.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's really important to point out here is

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<v Speaker 2>that this three year time span of of documents extends

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<v Speaker 2>far beyond the time span of Operation Metro Surge and

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<v Speaker 2>the protests. Right this, this, this, this is not a

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<v Speaker 2>probe into into financing specific protest groups responding to us.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just a general drag net into labor unions,

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<v Speaker 2>into left wing nonprofits, environmental groups, a racial justice activist

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<v Speaker 2>group in the area like this is this is a

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<v Speaker 2>huge probe. They're looking into VENMO transactions, They're requesting bank

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<v Speaker 2>records like this is a massive probe of like the

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<v Speaker 2>the interior of like some very major national unions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's interesting when you look at who they're looking into, right,

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<v Speaker 4>because it's it's a really really wide swath like across

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<v Speaker 4>the political spectrum of the left, like s CiU. Like

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<v Speaker 4>obviously there are like locals of s CiU that like

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<v Speaker 4>do good work, but like nationally, s CiU is not

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<v Speaker 4>like a radical organization, right, like yea of the major unions,

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<v Speaker 4>this is just like it extremely extremely mill toast union, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I guess contexts of SEIU particularly would be that

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<v Speaker 3>they arrested David Wuerta in Los Angeles in June of

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<v Speaker 3>last year, right, it's union leader. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I know because Alex Preddy was a healthcare

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<v Speaker 2>worker SIUs, a healthcare union, Like I went to like

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<v Speaker 2>a solidarity protest put together by a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 2>unions in New York City following the death of Alex.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty Yeah, it's interesting that the federal government picked up

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<v Speaker 2>on that sort of union solidarity and then started investigating it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is that is really telling.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, part of what I'm getting at here is like

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<v Speaker 4>they're just going after everyone who's even like tangentially involved

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<v Speaker 4>in these protests, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>The way the state sees this is they're incapable of

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<v Speaker 3>organizing like spontaneous and like horizontal solidary. Seeing that, right

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<v Speaker 3>they understand. Yeah, SEIU folks showed up in New York

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<v Speaker 3>where Garrison is, and I think they're not called the AFT.

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<v Speaker 3>In Minneapolis, maybe they called the Federation of Edgy Cats

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<v Speaker 3>or something like that. MFE looks like, yeah, like another

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<v Speaker 3>union right for educators evidently, and fifty to fifty one

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<v Speaker 3>and some more explicitly socialists and leftist groups showed up

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<v Speaker 3>against us, showed up in solidarity off adlex Pretti was killed.

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<v Speaker 3>And the way the state sees this is therefore they

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<v Speaker 3>are nationally and vertically integrated and someone is pulling the

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<v Speaker 3>strings and paying the funds, not like they are fucking mad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like it's like the way that they see

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<v Speaker 4>it is like yeah, like Seiu National has like handed

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<v Speaker 4>down like the riot orders just like no no CiU.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, but she's right, Like that is how they understand it.

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<v Speaker 4>If like time traveling militants for the nineteen seventies kidnapped

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<v Speaker 4>SEI used leadership and held them at gunpoint and said

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<v Speaker 4>we will let you go if you order mass riots,

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<v Speaker 4>they still wouldn't do it like.

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<v Speaker 3>That's not that's not what this is.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, the Feds have a hammer and they're trying

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<v Speaker 4>to hammer down every single thing that even vaguely looks

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<v Speaker 4>like a nail. Yea, so they can do sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the broadest and widest ranging oppression that they can deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and we have like an example of how HSI

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<v Speaker 2>is envisioning this sort of conspiracy like what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>because as a part of the new exhibits that were

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<v Speaker 2>released to the public, we have this slide that was

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<v Speaker 2>sent to grand jurors for the indictment which we'll soon

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, that targeting fifteen protesters. The grand jury was

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<v Speaker 2>shown this slide that is labeled the conspiracy that has

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<v Speaker 2>about fifteen different organizations with all with arrows pointing towards

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<v Speaker 2>Direct Action Minnesota DAM, which is the protest group that

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<v Speaker 2>the government alleges the fifteen people indicted were involved with

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<v Speaker 2>in some way. I want to read through some of

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<v Speaker 2>these organizations that are part of this conspiracy diagram. There's

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<v Speaker 2>the Monarca Rapid Response Line. There's Ray Rainbolt Memorial, Gun Club,

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<v Speaker 2>Red Pine Revolutionary Collective SCIU twenty six showing it for

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<v Speaker 2>racial justice, Socialist Alter of Veterans for Peace, Whipple Watch,

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<v Speaker 2>Workers Solidarity Circle, AFL CIO, Black Cat Workers Collective, all

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<v Speaker 2>of it, the Democratic Socialists of America, the Grease Pit,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a local bike shop. Hell yeah, Minute Left CHAB,

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<v Speaker 2>Minneapolis Federation of Educators Local fifty nine, Minnesota Association of

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<v Speaker 2>Professional Employees, Minnesota Ice Watch, and Minnesota five oh five

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<v Speaker 2>oh one.

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<v Speaker 3>Pretty incredible, Uh, pretty incredible collection.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all supposed to be like sending like a council member.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>The diagram has is that there's a council member these organizations,

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<v Speaker 6>council that like is part of Direct Action Minnesota that

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<v Speaker 6>is like orchestrating all these protests.

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<v Speaker 3>It's incredible. I love to see like kreminology overcoming like

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<v Speaker 3>a DIY bike shop that had been for a few hours,

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<v Speaker 3>a few afternoons a week, like it's the Pollit Bureau

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<v Speaker 3>of Minnesota is populated by like bike co ops. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just a shadow council, James Shadow. They're running everyway. It's incredible.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what happens when Socialist Alternative and DSA can

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<v Speaker 2>overcome their differences and support Council copyedism to send a

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<v Speaker 2>member to Direct Action Minnesota. High Council, Black and Red

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<v Speaker 2>United Yet it's incredible stuff. Now, of course, none of

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<v Speaker 2>these organizations themselves have actually faced charges stemming from this investigation.

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<v Speaker 2>But this investigation did result in fifteen people being indicted

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<v Speaker 2>on quote, conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer

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<v Speaker 2>for allegedly planning to block a roadway, among a few

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<v Speaker 2>other charges against specific individuals for participating in ice rapid response.

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<v Speaker 2>So although DSA, the Grease Pit and like SCIU are

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<v Speaker 2>not themselves as organizations you know, charged this this sort

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<v Speaker 2>of huge, like a very broad investigation into into into

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<v Speaker 2>nonprofit organizations, into electoral organizations, into labor unions, this did

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<v Speaker 2>result in charges against specific people, many of whom are

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<v Speaker 2>not part of these you know, fifteen fifteen council member organizations.

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<v Speaker 2>The defense lawyer Kevin Riach wrote in emotion, quote Homeland

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<v Speaker 2>Security Investigations investigation extended far beyond any potential threat to

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<v Speaker 2>law enforcement safety. It concluded, with no evidence but obvious

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<v Speaker 2>political animus, that numerous Twin cities, unions, and nonprofit organizations

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<v Speaker 2>were involved in a widespread conspiracy to violate eighteen USC.

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<v Speaker 2>One one one assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees,

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<v Speaker 2>and it surveiled and surptitiously gathered financial records generated by

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<v Speaker 2>these organizations, despite the lack of any connection between those

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<v Speaker 2>organizations and criminal conduct.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's co intel pro shit. Just it never ended.

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<v Speaker 4>They're just doing it again. I've always been doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And part of what these new docs reveal is

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<v Speaker 2>is much more details on like the covert surveillance of

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<v Speaker 2>organizer meetings at libraries and churches, and the way in

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<v Speaker 2>the extent that Homeland Security infiltrated signal chats and how

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<v Speaker 2>undercovers tried to entice people into discussing or committing crimes,

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<v Speaker 2>and I want to discuss that in more detail in

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<v Speaker 2>its own episode.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that requires a.

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<v Speaker 2>Very careful focus on, likew how that actually went about,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think that can very easily be turned into

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<v Speaker 2>you know, panicking or maybe overstating certain things regarding you know,

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<v Speaker 2>where ICE the ones actually you know, directing all the

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<v Speaker 2>protests against Ice, and like no, obviously not so. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that that requires a distinct focus. Specifically in these

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<v Speaker 2>core documents, there's a there's a reference to an undercover

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<v Speaker 2>discussing with someone at like a sunrise movement meeting about

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<v Speaker 2>getting more involved in direct actions and maybe building quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote devices for direct actions. So it's that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff and I want to discuss that more in detail.

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<v Speaker 2>But this new Batchel Corps documents in this case has

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<v Speaker 2>revealed a lot about about how this investigation went. How

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<v Speaker 2>it started off very very broad against a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>organizations and like what you know, national security presdential memory

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<v Speaker 2>and them number seven wrote about, you know, looking to

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<v Speaker 2>the finances of a lot of different nonprofit groups. But

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<v Speaker 2>then from there realizing that maybe they are not going

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to prosecute all these unions for terrorist financing.

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<v Speaker 2>Instead they find fifteen people who are engaged in firstmen

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<v Speaker 2>in activity that they think they could maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 2>turn into an Antifa boogieman and get that past a

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<v Speaker 2>grand jury, because you certainly could not get the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of this shit past a grand jury.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Talking of like pushing the back boundaries of the

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<v Speaker 3>Constitution with regards to policing as a good tie into

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<v Speaker 3>this next piece that I have, which is to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about the national defense areas. So the DOJ has issued

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<v Speaker 3>a new opinion this week suggesting the military forces in

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<v Speaker 3>the national defense areas that span that much of the

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<v Speaker 3>border can now detain people not just inside the NDA,

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<v Speaker 3>but also near the NDA who leave it before they

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<v Speaker 3>have time to arrest them. If you're not familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>the NDA, these areas along the border wall that have

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<v Speaker 3>been transferred to the military and are being managed as

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<v Speaker 3>extensions of military bases. For example, NDA number three, the

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<v Speaker 3>California NDA begins I think at the western edge of

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<v Speaker 3>Otai mount of Wilderness, stretches all the way to the

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona border in Imperial County. That is an extension of

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<v Speaker 3>Nafel Centro So. That's Naval Air Facility El Centro So

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<v Speaker 3>that's patrolled by marines. The New Mexico one is an

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<v Speaker 3>extension of Fort Huachuca and that's patrolled by the Army.

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<v Speaker 3>There is one Texas, which is an extension for Bliss

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<v Speaker 3>for bless Spanzer's two states. Better that it goes that

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<v Speaker 3>NDA goes into Texas. More the bases themselves are being extended. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 3>the logic goes from the Justice Department that they are

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<v Speaker 3>not violating the Poscomatatis Act because there are recognized exemptions

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<v Speaker 3>they say for military installations. So they're saying because the

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<v Speaker 3>base is being extended to generally but not always. It

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<v Speaker 3>is the Roosevelt Reservation, right, which is a sixty foot

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<v Speaker 3>area to the north of the physical border, but some

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<v Speaker 3>of these NDA's span areas larger than that. They are

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<v Speaker 3>claiming that that area is therefore exempt from PCA. If

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<v Speaker 3>the military is prosecuting or in this case, arresting or

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<v Speaker 3>detaining people for trespassing on a military installation, right, they

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<v Speaker 3>think that the military can also enforce federal law on

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<v Speaker 3>its installation. So by definition, anyone ewie entry without inspection right,

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<v Speaker 3>so that someone entering between ports of entry, anybody doing

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<v Speaker 3>that in an NDA, which is a large amount of

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<v Speaker 3>southern border right now, would be trespersoning on military installation. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>You can also see in this opinion they they're like

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<v Speaker 3>hinting it, adding more NDAs soon. This is the same

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<v Speaker 3>legal reasoning that they are using. Claim it is illegal

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<v Speaker 3>to photograph things inside an NDA. I think this one

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<v Speaker 3>is incredibly suspect. Right, So the statutory law does ban

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<v Speaker 3>photography of quote, certain vital military or naval installations or equipment.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think you'd have a very hard time arguing

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<v Speaker 3>in court that like a pile of razor wire ands

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<v Speaker 3>and rocks is vital military equipment. But that's what they're

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<v Speaker 3>going with. Right. This is important because what we are

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<v Speaker 3>seeing here is the Trump administration pushing at the boundaries

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<v Speaker 3>of constitutionally what it can do. And as I've said

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<v Speaker 3>hundreds of times on the show over the last four years,

0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 3>this always starts at the border, and it never stays

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<v Speaker 3>at the border. Right. Everything we see with mass surveillance

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<v Speaker 3>now has been a reality in border communities for some time.

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<v Speaker 3>Everything we see with the increased presence of ICE of CBP,

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<v Speaker 3>this has been something that border communities have dealt with.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this particularly violent form of law enforcement that

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<v Speaker 3>is particularly unaccountable. If we see this at the border,

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<v Speaker 3>and they get away with it at the border, then

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it will continue in other places. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>take like a brain genius to look at, for instance,

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<v Speaker 3>what happened in Portland six years ago, right, and see

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<v Speaker 3>how we could edge towards the PCA Poscombat Artist Act

0:22:41.640 --> 0:22:44.960
<v Speaker 3>waivers in other parts of the United States as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think this is worth keeping an eye on,

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<v Speaker 3>and like I would like it to get more attention

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<v Speaker 3>in reporting.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go on an ad break and then we'll discuss

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<v Speaker 2>in honor of Lindsagram the US military.

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<v Speaker 3>Who we support, but we don't know where they go.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, there's a lot of military news this week.

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<v Speaker 2>That ship does not look like it's doing too well.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's start with the sad boat.

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<v Speaker 1>That sad boat. Anyone here old enough to have watched

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<v Speaker 1>the Love Boat on Nick at Night?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, okay, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, well he just didn't have that where I grew robot.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's hurtful. This is all very hurtful. Anyway, The

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<v Speaker 1>sad boat is the USS Abraham Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 3>How sad is this? Yeah? Yeah, where is it? Sad? Well?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, miya, you want to you want to start?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, So so the US is Abraham Lincoln. It's it's

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<v Speaker 4>actually funny because we have now reached a point where

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<v Speaker 4>when you say the sad boat, I actually couldn't tell

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<v Speaker 4>which of the boats you were referring to, because.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the Jerry Ford before it was the Abraham Lincoln,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Jerald Ford had longer to be sad.

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<v Speaker 3>Well.

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<v Speaker 4>There was also a destroyer deployee. This is all trying

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<v Speaker 4>to see where the power was out for three days?

0:24:04.920 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, they didn't have running water, which one was

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.600
<v Speaker 3>it where they were blocking up all the toilets, but

0:24:11.760 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 3>like jamming, there was toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the Jerry Ford and I think the Lincoln, all

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<v Speaker 1>of our newest supercarriers have serious issues with the bathroom plumbing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the primary means of First Amendment expression that

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:25.240
<v Speaker 3>is available to say.

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<v Speaker 1>They practice the two man poop over the side technique,

0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:30.840
<v Speaker 1>which is an actual thing they have to do whenever

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<v Speaker 1>the bathrooms don't work.

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<v Speaker 4>Which it's it's so funny reading about these ships and

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<v Speaker 4>being like this, this is shit from like my like

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:41.760
<v Speaker 4>slumlord fucking apartments in Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>They're happeningxcept for the dods your slum lord.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like they're happening. Award like the most like the most.

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<v Speaker 4>Advanced and expensive military and human history. Oh god, where

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<v Speaker 4>do we even want to start with with the USS

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<v Speaker 4>Abraham Lincoln. I I guess, I guess, I guess we

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<v Speaker 4>could start with the fact that they have been hanging

0:25:03.680 --> 0:25:07.800
<v Speaker 4>nets over the side of of the aircraft carrier because

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:11.800
<v Speaker 4>sailors keep trying to jump off to kill themselves, a

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<v Speaker 4>thing that I last saw with like Fox Confactories and Shensen.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the last time I heard that as well. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but at least in Shenzend, to my knowledge, nobody is

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<v Speaker 3>shitting into the nets, which appears to be from what

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<v Speaker 3>Roba has said.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the shitting would be incidental.

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<v Speaker 3>We have covered on this show before.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was was it ten, I think was

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<v Speaker 4>the one where they're they're they're their Chinese branch had

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<v Speaker 4>like timers over the toilets to show how long you

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<v Speaker 4>say that would not would not rule that out in

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<v Speaker 4>Shenzend as well. Yeah, but this ship has not been

0:25:48.640 --> 0:25:53.719
<v Speaker 4>getting resupplied. It has been out for significantly longer than

0:25:54.440 --> 0:25:57.199
<v Speaker 4>the the the original plant duration. The sailors are just

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:00.720
<v Speaker 4>kind of trapped on board. Sailors who have you know,

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 4>attempted to commit suicide because they've been stuck on this

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<v Speaker 4>fucking ship are getting like like their careers destroyed because

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<v Speaker 4>of this. Oh wow, it's just a nightmare. And this

0:26:12.520 --> 0:26:14.359
<v Speaker 4>is running into one of the what I guess is

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<v Speaker 4>turning into one of the themes of this week's episode,

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<v Speaker 4>which is that there were a whole bunch of elements

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 4>of the US Navy and also of the world economy

0:26:23.040 --> 0:26:26.480
<v Speaker 4>where them functioning correctly are based on the US not

0:26:26.560 --> 0:26:28.639
<v Speaker 4>fighting of forever war in Iran and are based on

0:26:28.640 --> 0:26:31.360
<v Speaker 4>the assumption that eventually this is going to end. Yeah,

0:26:31.400 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 4>and it's just not. And so this ship is just

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.440
<v Speaker 4>also just physically breaking down.

0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:40.120
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, they're running low on all of the necessities,

0:26:40.600 --> 0:26:43.280
<v Speaker 1>and part of that is because of the success of

0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Iran's attacks on bases like US bases overseas and US

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>bases and like foreign countries. There was an article that

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<v Speaker 1>came out just within the last couple of days on

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 1>August fourteenth in the New York Times by John Ismay

0:26:58.560 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>that traced a lot of the supply issues that the

0:27:00.720 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln's been having for its entire deployment to like

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:05.840
<v Speaker 1>right after the first day of the war, when Iran

0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:09.040
<v Speaker 1>launched a massive attack on a US Navy base in Bahrain,

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.080
<v Speaker 1>which destroyed a massive logistics hub that the Navy has

0:27:12.119 --> 0:27:14.520
<v Speaker 1>relied on basically the entirety of the Global War on

0:27:14.600 --> 0:27:17.160
<v Speaker 1>tear up to the present moment, and that's what's forced

0:27:17.200 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 1>them to switch over to using Diego Garcia as a

0:27:19.960 --> 0:27:22.919
<v Speaker 1>supply hub. If you remember, Keir Starmer over in the

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.119
<v Speaker 1>UK initially was like, no, you guys can't use Diego

0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 1>Garcia as as like the supply hub for your legal war,

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.159
<v Speaker 1>and then immediately changed his mind when he got threatened

0:27:32.160 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>a little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit hub bravest, who are in good stuff? Good stuff? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I think, like I mean, it's so obvious right that Iran,

0:27:41.560 --> 0:27:44.439
<v Speaker 3>a country which like the US has been saber rattling

0:27:44.480 --> 0:27:47.320
<v Speaker 3>out for decades, would very obviously have a plan of

0:27:47.359 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 3>what to do in the event that the United States

0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.800
<v Speaker 3>struck it and they executed their plan.

0:27:52.200 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Trump, for his part, has repeatedly stated that the

0:27:56.720 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 1>length of the deployment of the Lincoln and the Ford

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.320
<v Speaker 1>before it are not big deals. When he was asked

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.400
<v Speaker 1>earlier this week if carry deployments were too long, he responded, no, no, no,

0:28:06.560 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>not nearly long enough.

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:10.600
<v Speaker 3>See he's really gonna get into it with Linday Graham's

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 3>sister over this one.

0:28:12.240 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 4>No, she's it's also she's just been very personally meddling

0:28:15.960 --> 0:28:17.879
<v Speaker 4>with and fucking with a bunch of Navy stuff that

0:28:17.960 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 4>there's there's a whole kind of there's a whole kind

0:28:19.920 --> 0:28:22.440
<v Speaker 4>of side drama to this story where Trump has ordered

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.800
<v Speaker 4>the Navy to go back to using steam catapults to

0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.160
<v Speaker 4>like launch aircraft off of the deck of the ship,

0:28:27.200 --> 0:28:32.240
<v Speaker 4>which is like a significantly worse thing than the electromagnetic

0:28:32.280 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 4>systems that the Navy has been using. But Trump like

0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 4>heard that that some pilot liked them a long time ago,

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:40.720
<v Speaker 4>and so he's been trying to force the entire Navy

0:28:40.760 --> 0:28:43.520
<v Speaker 4>to do this since the first administration, and he's finally succeeded,

0:28:43.520 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 4>which means they're going to have to like refit like

0:28:45.600 --> 0:28:48.200
<v Speaker 4>forty percent of these ships, and they're probably gonna have

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.440
<v Speaker 4>to just design new ships because the ships are not

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:52.520
<v Speaker 4>designed around having these things, and they're just going to

0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 4>be worse because the Emperor has decided that he likes

0:28:55.640 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 4>steam catapults.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no, no, no, there's there's a piece in

0:29:00.840 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 1>the Guardian. Just about a week ago, Trump orders Pentagon

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>to redesigned US aircraft carriers to use steam.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Catapult solage jests yep, yep, yep.

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he thought the digital systems were too complicated.

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I had missed this in the long list of like

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.680
<v Speaker 1>bullshit insane military stuff.

0:29:16.680 --> 0:29:18.240
<v Speaker 3>He's reason yeah.

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:18.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:29:18.520 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 1>He signed a National Security memorandum directing Pete Hegseth and

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:25.120
<v Speaker 1>the acting Navy Secretary to make this change. That's great,

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:25.680
<v Speaker 1>that's good.

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:30.080
<v Speaker 4>It's this astonishing combination of like, she's made the cardinal

0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 4>mistake that all of these people make, which is that

0:29:33.200 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 4>American military and economic supremacy is premised on having the

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:40.640
<v Speaker 4>world's most expensive army and not using it. Yeah, and

0:29:40.680 --> 0:29:44.920
<v Speaker 4>now he's used it. And then also he's doing all

0:29:44.960 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 4>of this weird emperor fucking with it stuff at the

0:29:47.600 --> 0:29:48.240
<v Speaker 4>same time.

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.280
<v Speaker 1>There's amazing quotes from this Apparently it started back in

0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.680
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen when he told Time magazine about a conversation

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.600
<v Speaker 1>that he'd had with an unnamed Navy officer. Quote, So,

0:29:58.640 --> 0:30:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I said, what's this, sir? This is our digital catapult system.

0:30:02.040 --> 0:30:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Trump went on. It sounded bad to me. Digital. They

0:30:04.480 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 1>have digital? What is digital? And it's very complicated. You

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.320
<v Speaker 1>have to be oured Einstein to figure it out. And

0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 1>I said, And now they want to buy more aircraft carriers.

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.760
<v Speaker 1>I said, what system are you going to be, sir?

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>We're staying with digital. I said, no, you're not. You're

0:30:16.000 --> 0:30:18.920
<v Speaker 1>going to goddamn steam. The digital costs hundreds of millions

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of dollars more money, and it's no good.

0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.479
<v Speaker 3>He's also trying to get them to move the fucking

0:30:25.600 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>controlled how of the aircraft carriers into the middle of

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.160
<v Speaker 3>the ship. According to the Washington Post.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:34.960
<v Speaker 1>This is beautiful stuff. I hope he gets his way.

0:30:35.040 --> 0:30:36.840
<v Speaker 1>I hope he gets his way to'll protect the rest

0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>of the world from us.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the rest of the world would do better if

0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:43.200
<v Speaker 3>all these ships were not deployed right now. This isn't Yeah, outstanding,

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 3>great stuff.

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Great, amazing shit, Oh god.

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Very normal. This is how this is how successful military

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:51.360
<v Speaker 3>is organized.

0:30:51.480 --> 0:30:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 3>So I should point out that, like the latest statistics

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 3>on people winted in action now suggested they're about seven

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 3>hundred US people who've been wounded in a six month operation.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 2>Allegedly, the Washington is coming in to replace the Lincoln.

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Unclear what will happen to the destroyers and also unclear

0:31:11.440 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 2>when this is actually going to happen.

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 3>The destroyers have to come back so they can put

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 3>a mast on them, yeah, because that looks more epic,

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>and a big fucking cannon, like a black powder cannon

0:31:20.440 --> 0:31:21.360
<v Speaker 3>on the front. Yeah.

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.360
<v Speaker 1>The last I heard from Trump, he said that a

0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:27.960
<v Speaker 1>replacement for the Lincoln is quote moving right now or

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 1>very shortly, and it's being replaced with another very similar ship.

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.160
<v Speaker 1>So that's what we've got so far. It is worth

0:31:35.240 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 1>noting just in terms of a general update on the

0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.920
<v Speaker 1>situation in Iran, that the cease fire that no one

0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:44.479
<v Speaker 1>has really been holding to has come to an end

0:31:44.600 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 1>or is in the process of coming to an end,

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:48.880
<v Speaker 1>and does not look like it's going to be renewed.

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 1>For all of the good that that did everybody over

0:31:52.800 --> 0:31:56.120
<v Speaker 1>the last sixty days or so. Yeah, the Trump administration

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:58.720
<v Speaker 1>has gone back and forth. Up until earlier this week,

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>he had been claiming that he was in that the

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:03.720
<v Speaker 1>US was in active talks with Iran, but he said

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:05.800
<v Speaker 1>earlier this Tuesday that the US is not in any

0:32:05.840 --> 0:32:08.120
<v Speaker 1>talks with Iran and has no plans to start new ones.

0:32:08.720 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>This is around the same time that he started saying

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>that the Strait of Hormus is open and that the

0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>US is going to take it and make it a

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:18.800
<v Speaker 1>new US territory. This has just been something he released

0:32:18.800 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>as a series of truth posts or truths, including one

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>showing a map that circled the Strait of horm Moves

0:32:26.520 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 1>with the words new US territory straight of Hormos above

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>and below.

0:32:30.520 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 2>It.

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:36.840
<v Speaker 1>So, again hard to say what's going to happen here

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 1>other than that oil prizes are continuing to rise. The

0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 1>same day, that he announced that there was no we're

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>no talks going on, and that the ceasefire was not

0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:48.560
<v Speaker 1>going to be extended. US forces fired on a Panama

0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>flag ship, and around the same time Iran struck a

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>ship as well, killing at least one sailor. Since the

0:32:55.880 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>war began, seventeen sailors have been killed in sixty five attacks.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:01.959
<v Speaker 1>Most of those have been the result of Ranian strikes,

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.120
<v Speaker 1>but three of those deaths have been caused by a

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:07.120
<v Speaker 1>US Navy ship that struck a merchant ship in June.

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:11.440
<v Speaker 1>So sailors are getting killed all around the USS. Abraham

0:33:11.480 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln's probably getting rotated out. The CeaseFire's over, and I

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>guess we're trying to take the straight although it's I mean,

0:33:18.480 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no way to know what any of this actually

0:33:20.360 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 1>means or what Trump's going to do. He could announce

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that they've got a new ceasefire tomorrow, like it would

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:28.560
<v Speaker 1>be silly to take any of this as a final

0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:29.560
<v Speaker 1>word on anything.

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let me pick up on that where Robo left

0:33:31.800 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 3>off fairly, it does appay of it. In response to

0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 3>Trump continuing to just post insane stuff, Iran has been

0:33:38.400 --> 0:33:42.720
<v Speaker 3>having talked with Aman, probably talking about like joint tolling

0:33:42.880 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>the Strait, right, which is something we spoken about a

0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 3>lot on in this podcast. Trump did interview with Trey Yinks.

0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 3>If you're not familiar with Trey Yinks, his job is

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.400
<v Speaker 3>to kind of be a credulous, nodding head to broadcast

0:33:52.440 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 3>shit that Donald Trump says. His chief foreign correspondent Fox Now.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 8>I asked the President about these parallel talks that are

0:33:59.000 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 8>taking place between Iran and Oman about control of the

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 8>Strait of hor moves, and the President told Fox News,

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.279
<v Speaker 8>if Oman gets in the way, we'll bomb the s

0:34:08.440 --> 0:34:09.560
<v Speaker 8>out of them.

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.080
<v Speaker 3>That is Donald Trump threatening to bomb the shit out

0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 3>of Amman. A fantastic u turn in the United States policy.

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 3>This is a wild thing for him to be saying. Right,

0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 3>this is a country that obs the US has had

0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 3>previously good relations with. Yeah, this is this is like

0:34:26.120 --> 0:34:29.239
<v Speaker 3>a CIA outpost, like brand new country to do to

0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:31.759
<v Speaker 3>do Middle East war with. Yeah, exactly right. We've we're

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:33.960
<v Speaker 3>running out of countries. We're having to turn on our own.

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:37.320
<v Speaker 3>Trump has also claimed in the same interviews Tree y

0:34:37.320 --> 0:34:39.759
<v Speaker 3>Inks he has a back channel to the IRGC.

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.520
<v Speaker 8>Interestingly, President Trump confirmed to Fox News that there is

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:44.799
<v Speaker 8>a back channel.

0:34:44.719 --> 0:34:45.839
<v Speaker 3>With the IRGC.

0:34:46.080 --> 0:34:49.680
<v Speaker 8>These are the hardline officials inside of Iran, and that

0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 8>the United States and officials in Washington are speaking directly

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:55.520
<v Speaker 8>with IRGC officials in Iran.

0:34:56.239 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, there he's talking about the United States negotiate

0:34:58.760 --> 0:35:03.279
<v Speaker 3>directly with IGC. I would assume that they have had

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:05.520
<v Speaker 3>back channels in the IIGC, right like that, That is

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:08.839
<v Speaker 3>something one would assume. Yeah, this is very normal when

0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:11.200
<v Speaker 3>you have two states of this size which are frequently

0:35:11.239 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 3>kind of squaring off against each other, and generally it

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 3>is something that can be used to de escalate conflict. Obviously,

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:20.319
<v Speaker 3>that ain't happening right now. It was later reported that

0:35:20.400 --> 0:35:22.240
<v Speaker 3>these and you don't have to be a brain genius

0:35:22.280 --> 0:35:24.040
<v Speaker 3>to work out that these probably came through the Kurdistan

0:35:24.080 --> 0:35:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Region of Iraq, right southern Kurdistan. In related news, Iran

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 3>then attempted a drone strike on Barzani. What yes, President

0:35:33.120 --> 0:35:35.120
<v Speaker 3>of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. Yeah, they sent two

0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 3>drones to Barzani's residents, I believe. What the fuck? Yeah,

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.320
<v Speaker 3>sorry I missed this. Why was this not for a pigeon?

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:47.000
<v Speaker 3>What the hell? Yes, they sent two drones to the

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:50.080
<v Speaker 3>office of the Kurdistan Region Prime Minister of sil Barzani

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.520
<v Speaker 3>and the residents of the head of the Kurdistan Region's

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 3>Security Agency. The drones obviously did not cause any casualty.

0:35:57.440 --> 0:36:01.000
<v Speaker 3>They think they were intercepted. This was reported by Axios

0:36:01.080 --> 0:36:03.920
<v Speaker 3>right that this this link between Southern Kurdistan and the

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:07.880
<v Speaker 3>ILGC back channel was reported by Axios on the sixteenth

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 3>and then on the seventeenth, Iran attempted to drone strike

0:36:12.960 --> 0:36:17.160
<v Speaker 3>masou Bazani, the Prime Minister of the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. Yeah,

0:36:17.160 --> 0:36:19.440
<v Speaker 3>they attempt to drone strike his office and the residents

0:36:19.520 --> 0:36:22.560
<v Speaker 3>of the Kurdistan Region Security Agency, both in the bill

0:36:22.640 --> 0:36:26.719
<v Speaker 3>province of Kurdistan. And like this again is like I

0:36:26.719 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 3>have've reported extensively. I think that Iran is bombing southern

0:36:29.920 --> 0:36:32.680
<v Speaker 3>Kordistan and has been for some time. But this is

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:33.760
<v Speaker 3>a hell of an escalation.

0:36:34.120 --> 0:36:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I've tried to assas like, but Brazoni is like

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:39.919
<v Speaker 4>the political figure in this part of Kurdistan. Like yeah,

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.640
<v Speaker 4>and like the Brazoni family has been has been a

0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:45.280
<v Speaker 4>political faction powerful enough that like a lot of politics

0:36:45.320 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 4>revolves around whether you're not you're like in their client

0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 4>networks for a long long time. This is this is

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:53.799
<v Speaker 4>kind of like trying to like, I mean again, he

0:36:53.840 --> 0:36:55.640
<v Speaker 4>literally is like the prime Minister of Raki Kursia, Like

0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 4>this is this is like attempting to assassinate the prime minister.

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:04.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, staggering escalation. Like Barzani zeated I tweeted next

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:07.239
<v Speaker 3>that it was dangerous escalation, a direct threat to the

0:37:07.280 --> 0:37:10.560
<v Speaker 3>security instability of the curds down region. He's not wrong. Yeah.

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 3>When you combine this with the US having a scheduled

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:17.279
<v Speaker 3>withdrawal from Iraq, right, like this is bad and like

0:37:17.840 --> 0:37:19.879
<v Speaker 3>it is very clear that Iraq is continuing and even

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 3>escalating its policy of punishing the Curds for United States aggression. Right,

0:37:24.719 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 3>there's this perception that the curds in US are like

0:37:27.239 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 3>always aligned. As Roberts said, Iran has continued to strike

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 3>vessals and straightforward moves. What interesting about this recent strike

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:37.319
<v Speaker 3>and the number of strikes that came in the days

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.719
<v Speaker 3>before it is that normally there has been a pattern

0:37:41.080 --> 0:37:46.400
<v Speaker 3>by which the bombing relaxes. Iran strikes a vessel, the

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:52.280
<v Speaker 3>US bombs Iran, things peter out lower intensity, Iran strikes

0:37:52.320 --> 0:37:55.640
<v Speaker 3>a vessel, the US hits Iran, right, Like, yeah, yeah,

0:37:55.719 --> 0:37:58.680
<v Speaker 3>the US has not hit Iran yet in response to

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 3>these most recent ones. And I think part of the

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:05.440
<v Speaker 3>reason that might be is something we've talked about before,

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:10.359
<v Speaker 3>that the United States is not capable now of doing

0:38:10.400 --> 0:38:14.839
<v Speaker 3>what it did in February, Like it has significantly diminished

0:38:15.040 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 3>it's stockpiles.

0:38:16.440 --> 0:38:19.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, by an estimate around seventy percent plus depending on

0:38:19.840 --> 0:38:22.520
<v Speaker 1>the munition. In terms of like our long range like

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>cruise missiles and our interceptors.

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's so like just to dejog in that for people,

0:38:27.520 --> 0:38:30.560
<v Speaker 3>that's like attack and defense. Right, it's your ability to

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 3>hit Iran and also your ability to stop Iranian.

0:38:33.480 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 1>It's all the stuff that lets us Hitterron without endangering

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>the lives of US airmen, And it's what allows us

0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:44.280
<v Speaker 1>to defend our bases and all of the Allied bases

0:38:44.360 --> 0:38:49.399
<v Speaker 1>and increasingly fuel infrastructure in the region. Right. And it's

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 1>low enough that in part why they don't want to

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>continue burning more even though they have like a third

0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>or more left, is that they have to keep a

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 1>stockpile in case shit goes down with China or expands

0:39:00.719 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 1>with Russia. Right, Like these are our our primary weapons

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.920
<v Speaker 1>with Iran, they're completely unnecessary.

0:39:07.120 --> 0:39:10.919
<v Speaker 3>Or a man yeah, or are new worth of moont Yeah,

0:39:10.960 --> 0:39:11.399
<v Speaker 3>if we.

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Were to theoretically get into any kind of anything approaching

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:17.799
<v Speaker 1>a near peer conflict when on a good spot, would

0:39:17.840 --> 0:39:19.880
<v Speaker 1>be our only weapons other than nukes.

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:22.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so I know we're going to come back to

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:26.000
<v Speaker 3>the US like defense procurement situation. But I do want

0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 3>to just point out that the President. I don't know

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:31.960
<v Speaker 3>if this is related to the fact that gas prices

0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 3>are still bonkers six month into this, but he has

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.320
<v Speaker 3>posted an air image of a trima version of himself

0:39:37.400 --> 0:39:40.200
<v Speaker 3>ripping the Keystone pipeline out of the ground with a

0:39:40.239 --> 0:39:44.040
<v Speaker 3>banner reading buried by Biden in the background. Not clear

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:49.799
<v Speaker 3>if he understands how pipelines work. What, Yeah, your guess

0:39:49.840 --> 0:39:53.040
<v Speaker 3>is as good as mine on that one. Like it's

0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 3>it's it's I mean, yeah, let me just draw up

0:39:55.719 --> 0:39:57.919
<v Speaker 3>the link. I guess sometimes I'll just scroll this true

0:39:58.000 --> 0:40:01.480
<v Speaker 3>social page. It's it's it's it's wild up in there.

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 3>But that is not a task for the faint of heart. No, Like,

0:40:04.200 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 3>this is one of the things I do for work.

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 3>You know that traumatizes me. I've put it in the chat,

0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 3>the zoom chat.

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 2>We don't want our oil in the ground in those pipespeet,

0:40:12.680 --> 0:40:15.120
<v Speaker 2>we want it straight from the straight of horror moves

0:40:15.160 --> 0:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>in barrels.

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, right, like what is he thinking? What if

0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.640
<v Speaker 3>you think the Keystone pipeline I should have not also

0:40:21.680 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 3>has a plaque fixed to it that says Keystone pipeline

0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:30.680
<v Speaker 3>completely free energy jobs America first now, and they're they're

0:40:30.680 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 3>buried by Biden is on a gravestone. The pipeline also

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:37.799
<v Speaker 3>has some handles. Trump's kind of in sort of a

0:40:37.840 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 3>stable wide stance. They're pulling it out the ground like

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:43.200
<v Speaker 3>it's got roots on it. I don't know what the

0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 3>fuck is going on here, But there are also some

0:40:44.840 --> 0:40:48.000
<v Speaker 3>soldiers in the background, like underneath an American flag.

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, this is the guy who just decided we

0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:52.920
<v Speaker 4>were at warworth a run and now was killed a

0:40:52.920 --> 0:40:53.360
<v Speaker 4>shit ton of.

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:57.160
<v Speaker 3>People over it. Yeah, I guess now the response to

0:40:57.200 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 3>the war with the run and gas prices being up

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 3>is more pipelines at home, which is sick. Like I

0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 3>should add, I guess there is a continuing ecological disaster

0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:08.400
<v Speaker 3>in the straight uform moves because people keep shooting boats

0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:10.839
<v Speaker 3>which are full of fuel. Yeah, and Iran it's having

0:41:10.840 --> 0:41:12.360
<v Speaker 3>to clean up these oil spills.

0:41:12.840 --> 0:41:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Well, there's also a further ecological disaster, and that you

0:41:15.560 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>have an enormous fleet of vessels that are just sitting

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>around waiting and accumulating a huge number of different kind

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>of like mollusks that you don't want to spread around

0:41:25.360 --> 0:41:28.240
<v Speaker 1>the world that are definitely and it's also getting stuff

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:31.480
<v Speaker 1>is getting sucked into like their water tanks and they're

0:41:31.560 --> 0:41:33.640
<v Speaker 1>what we call their ballast tanks and shit that's going

0:41:33.640 --> 0:41:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to get shut squirted out somewhere else. Like there's a

0:41:36.000 --> 0:41:37.360
<v Speaker 1>lot of potential problems.

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:40.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there are some procedures for like dumping ballast and stuff,

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.600
<v Speaker 3>but yeah, this is all the problem is, right, everything

0:41:43.719 --> 0:41:49.080
<v Speaker 3>is delayed. Every shipping company is losing money handover fist. Yeah,

0:41:49.120 --> 0:41:50.799
<v Speaker 3>and they're gonna want to get moving pretty fast when

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:55.279
<v Speaker 3>if the straightform moos ever opens again. And yeah, we

0:41:55.320 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 3>will see more environmental damages. Like every war is an

0:41:57.920 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 3>ecological disaster, but this one that isn't getting as much

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.919
<v Speaker 3>reporting on. But it's great that we're bringing that home

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 3>with the Keystone pipelines, so we'll get a little piece

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:06.680
<v Speaker 3>of that too.

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:09.720
<v Speaker 1>So I wanted to give an update on a story

0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>because I talked about two weeks ago something like that

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>about the General Dynamics Artillery shell factory in Meisquite, Texas

0:42:17.400 --> 0:42:19.480
<v Speaker 1>that was meant to by now be producing somewhere between

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:23.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty and ideally thirty thousand shells a month of specifically

0:42:23.080 --> 0:42:26.280
<v Speaker 1>the kind that we're being used most rapidly in Ukraine

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:29.640
<v Speaker 1>before Ukraine pivoted to using drones for a lot of stuff.

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:31.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're still burning through one fifty five's but

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>like that was, I mean, they incurred a shell debt

0:42:34.760 --> 0:42:37.040
<v Speaker 1>of something like three point six million shells in the

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>United States as a result of that, And so it's

0:42:39.000 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a massive issue to get these shells being produced because

0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>in any kind of modern war we're going to be

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.680
<v Speaker 1>burning through a shitload of them. We have one hundred

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.799
<v Speaker 1>something years worth of heavy artillery in warfare to know

0:42:49.840 --> 0:42:51.880
<v Speaker 1>that you never have enough shells. So this is a

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:53.480
<v Speaker 1>problem the US has been trying to get its handle

0:42:53.520 --> 0:42:56.440
<v Speaker 1>on for a while, and as I noted, this factory

0:42:56.440 --> 0:42:58.560
<v Speaker 1>that was supposed to be producing like a third of

0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.200
<v Speaker 1>the total of all the shells in the uni United

0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:02.640
<v Speaker 1>States has not produced any so far. And a few

0:43:02.719 --> 0:43:06.080
<v Speaker 1>days after I discussed that on ed Jesse Coburn at

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Pro Publica published a beautiful investigation into that General Dynamics

0:43:10.280 --> 0:43:10.920
<v Speaker 1>factory and.

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 3>Mesquite that opens with just a great lead.

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:19.759
<v Speaker 1>A robot was on fire again, and it's talking about

0:43:19.840 --> 0:43:23.120
<v Speaker 1>the fact that all of this factory is filled with

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Jesus because it was supposed to meant to be heavily automated,

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:27.400
<v Speaker 1>which is why it was supposed to be able to

0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>keep up with such a high level of production. It

0:43:29.480 --> 0:43:31.879
<v Speaker 1>was automated using these robots that had like giant metal

0:43:32.000 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 1>arms with clamps for hands, and because of the way

0:43:34.360 --> 0:43:37.400
<v Speaker 1>they were designed, wound up soaked in oil constantly, and

0:43:37.440 --> 0:43:40.600
<v Speaker 1>that oil would combust because they were moving steel blocks

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:43.240
<v Speaker 1>that had been heated to about eighteen hundred degrees fahrenheit

0:43:43.640 --> 0:43:46.000
<v Speaker 1>into and out of a machine that also would periodically

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:49.920
<v Speaker 1>beuch flame at them, and the robots were not proofed

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.800
<v Speaker 1>against this much flame. Per car publica article one blaze

0:43:52.800 --> 0:43:55.680
<v Speaker 1>that summer melted a robots cables, putting an advocamission for

0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:56.080
<v Speaker 1>a week.

0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:57.080
<v Speaker 9>Now.

0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:59.880
<v Speaker 1>This series of fires in the factory came just a

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.279
<v Speaker 1>few weeks before Trump administration. Defense officials and executives for

0:44:03.320 --> 0:44:06.680
<v Speaker 1>General Dynamics, the company that made the factory, toured and

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.279
<v Speaker 1>through a gala opening event there to celebrate that it

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:12.440
<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be up and running by now. Exploding

0:44:12.520 --> 0:44:15.360
<v Speaker 1>robots were not the only method of uncontrollable failure that

0:44:15.400 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 1>workers had documented at the factory by that point. For

0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:20.520
<v Speaker 1>one thing, the robotic arms had a tendency to flail

0:44:20.600 --> 0:44:24.600
<v Speaker 1>uncontrollably and destroy equipment. They also would periodically drop heavy

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.759
<v Speaker 1>loads at random. The most sensitive and expensive equipment in

0:44:27.800 --> 0:44:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the entire factory was a machine that was meant to

0:44:30.000 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>stretch metal in order to make artillery shells. It cracked

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.560
<v Speaker 1>them nearly constantly. The factory was filled with smoke at

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 1>all times and was usually over one hundred degrees inside.

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Every description of the state of the art Arms factory

0:44:41.760 --> 0:44:43.560
<v Speaker 1>sounds worse than the ones that were operating in World

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 1>War One. This is probably my favorite part of that article.

0:44:47.320 --> 0:44:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Then there were the giant press machines, which required regular

0:44:50.080 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 1>pounding with a sledgehammer to function property the shaping of

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.160
<v Speaker 1>nearly every shell. We didn't really have any standardized practice,

0:44:57.200 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 1>said Quantel White, a former employee. It was just a

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>bunch of guys taking turns going at the machine with

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:03.640
<v Speaker 1>a sledgehammer every night.

0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:05.680
<v Speaker 4>This is warhammer.

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:09.640
<v Speaker 3>Forty k shit morehammer forty K works a lot better

0:45:09.719 --> 0:45:09.880
<v Speaker 3>than this.

0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 1>There would be a priest be reading from a Bible,

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:15.520
<v Speaker 1>there'd be ungeons and oil. Well, there's lots of oil.

0:45:15.760 --> 0:45:17.239
<v Speaker 3>I love this now.

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.879
<v Speaker 1>By last summer, which is when reports first started coming

0:45:19.920 --> 0:45:22.799
<v Speaker 1>out about the difficulties the factory was having, by that point,

0:45:23.120 --> 0:45:25.920
<v Speaker 1>General Dynamics had missed eight deadlines to get this thing

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:29.200
<v Speaker 1>up and running. Their factory still has yet to produce

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:32.359
<v Speaker 1>a single usable shell, despite five hundred and thirty three

0:45:32.480 --> 0:45:36.200
<v Speaker 1>million dollars in Pentagon funds going towards refurbishing old machines

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:39.400
<v Speaker 1>and ordering new ones from Turkey. Even so, the Pentagon

0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 1>continues to sign contracts with General Dynamics, and two months

0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 1>ago the company announced us new solution to all of

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.040
<v Speaker 1>their ill fortune factories many issues. You guys, guess what

0:45:49.200 --> 0:45:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the magic bullet that finally is going to fix everything

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>that this factory that doesn't work is supposed to be AI.

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:54.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's AI.

0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:56.160
<v Speaker 1>It's it's fucking.

0:45:55.840 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 3>AI, of course. Yeah.

0:45:57.719 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Quote a news release from General Dynamics and the new company.

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.680
<v Speaker 1>The terrence was filled with techno business jargon. AI enabled

0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.800
<v Speaker 1>capabilities and intelligence and connectivity would be added at Mesquite

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>and other General Dynamics factories. The companies wrote, AI transforms

0:46:10.680 --> 0:46:14.120
<v Speaker 1>production facilities into strategic assets. To Terrence's CEO said on

0:46:14.200 --> 0:46:17.800
<v Speaker 1>the release, we're building autonomous manufacturing systems that learned, adapt

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 1>and scale in real time.

0:46:19.200 --> 0:46:20.720
<v Speaker 3>By the way, what that CEO said.

0:46:20.520 --> 0:46:22.919
<v Speaker 1>I'll guarantee was written by Chad Gpt. The whole AI

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>transformed that that's yeah, very clearly. Yeah, these pronouncements have

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:29.719
<v Speaker 1>baffled former Mesquite workers. What are they talking about. There's

0:46:29.760 --> 0:46:31.920
<v Speaker 1>nothing to learn or adapt or scale one set. It's

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 1>all broken, pro publicized.

0:46:35.360 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 3>It's really fun because no one who actually works at

0:46:39.320 --> 0:46:42.000
<v Speaker 3>the factory, and no US military officials who are allowed

0:46:42.040 --> 0:46:45.080
<v Speaker 3>to speak their minds openly, have had anything positive to

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:48.360
<v Speaker 3>say about General Dynamics and how they've proceeded with this project.

0:46:48.600 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 1>The article quotes a former official in an Army office

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:54.600
<v Speaker 1>supervising the factory as saying it's an absolute disaster. The

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Army should have gone after recovering money from General Dynamics. Yeah, no,

0:46:59.160 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean they should have.

0:47:00.880 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, But that gets the central contradiction of the American

0:47:03.680 --> 0:47:05.759
<v Speaker 4>war machine, which is that the point of it is

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 4>to give money to defense contractors. You're not actually supposed

0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:09.600
<v Speaker 4>to have to use the stuff.

0:47:10.840 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 3>I should say here.

0:47:11.640 --> 0:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>General Dynamics is one of the companies most responsible for

0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.480
<v Speaker 1>inventing that state of affairs. This is we're going to

0:47:17.520 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 1>talk about these folks because they keep coming up when

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:23.279
<v Speaker 1>you look into like defense related golduggery and fuckery and

0:47:23.480 --> 0:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>like us history. I feel like now is probably is

0:47:26.280 --> 0:47:28.040
<v Speaker 1>a good time to talk a little bit about their history.

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.359
<v Speaker 1>We're gonna I'm gonna give a brief overview of these

0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.080
<v Speaker 1>guys because we're in an illegal war that's currently shuffling

0:47:33.120 --> 0:47:35.440
<v Speaker 1>a fortune to defense contractors, and we should probably talk

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 1>about one of the most corrupt members of that family.

0:47:38.040 --> 0:47:40.840
<v Speaker 1>The General Dynamics Corporation was founded at the tail end

0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:43.880
<v Speaker 1>of the nineteenth century by Isaac Leopold Rice, a businessman

0:47:43.960 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and a music coologist who was born in Bavaria and

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.399
<v Speaker 1>raised in Milwaukee. He made his fortune doing a mix

0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>of railroad law and publishing sheet music, and eventually got

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 1>into the electric battery and vehicle business. This ended with

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>him involved in submarines, because early Navy subs ran on

0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 1>electric power when submerged. In eighteen ninety nine, he purchased

0:48:02.520 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>the Haulland Torpedo Boat Company and named it the Electric

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Boat Company. The Electric Boat Company remained a submarine manufacturer

0:48:09.800 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>after his death in nineteen fourteen, providing subs for not

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.920
<v Speaker 1>just the US government but the Peruvian government, and gradually

0:48:16.000 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>spinning up to produce other kinds of boats, including PT

0:48:18.320 --> 0:48:21.520
<v Speaker 1>boats for the US and Canadian militaries. After World War II,

0:48:21.719 --> 0:48:25.280
<v Speaker 1>it purchased Convair, which made anti aircraft missiles, jet fighters,

0:48:25.360 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 1>and the Atlas rockets used in the first US crewed

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>orbital flight. This new company, a mix of the Electric

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Boat Company and Convair, became General Dynamics. In more recent decades,

0:48:35.719 --> 0:48:39.400
<v Speaker 1>General Dynamics became the manufacturers of the feared Tomahawk cruise missile,

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:42.720
<v Speaker 1>arguably the most iconic ballistic missile in the entire US arsenal.

0:48:43.040 --> 0:48:46.439
<v Speaker 1>It also kept making subs, including the famous Los Angeles Class,

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.120
<v Speaker 1>and as time went on, the company got really really

0:48:49.239 --> 0:48:52.080
<v Speaker 1>good at corruptly fucking US taxpayers out of their money.

0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:55.799
<v Speaker 1>Investigative reporting first started shining a light on constant cost

0:48:55.880 --> 0:48:58.440
<v Speaker 1>overruns and blown budgets in a series of GD defense

0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.840
<v Speaker 1>contracts for a nineteen eighty five Time article by Charles Alexander.

0:49:02.239 --> 0:49:05.000
<v Speaker 1>A federal grand jury first started investigating the company's cost

0:49:05.040 --> 0:49:07.320
<v Speaker 1>overruns on submarines in nineteen seventy nine, but dropped the

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 1>probe in nineteen eighty one for lack of enough evidence

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>of fraud. Now the Justice Apartment has reopened the case

0:49:12.120 --> 0:49:14.839
<v Speaker 1>in light of new information from p Tecis Veliattis, who

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:17.279
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven became head of Electric Boat, the

0:49:17.360 --> 0:49:21.239
<v Speaker 1>company's subuilding division in Groton, Connecticut. His word is hardly unimpeachable.

0:49:21.280 --> 0:49:23.400
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen eighty three he fled to his native Grease

0:49:23.440 --> 0:49:25.799
<v Speaker 1>to avoid being tried on charges of perjuring himself before

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.800
<v Speaker 1>a grand jury and taking one point three million in

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:31.440
<v Speaker 1>kickbacks from a subcontractor. Velliadis has produced tapes in company

0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:33.920
<v Speaker 1>documents that he claims reveal a pattern of waste, corruption

0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and cover up at General Dynamics. In a tape of

0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>one talk he had with Lewis the chairman, for example,

0:49:38.800 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>the chairman suggests that Velliotis reassured James Ashton, a discontented

0:49:42.440 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>Electric Boat executive, that he is still in the running

0:49:44.719 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>for a promotion, in order to keep him from popping

0:49:46.520 --> 0:49:48.960
<v Speaker 1>off about shoddy work at the yard. So we have

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 1>all of these tapes from this equally shady dude, Velliadis,

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:54.080
<v Speaker 1>because nobody who's in a high position in the defense

0:49:54.160 --> 0:49:57.560
<v Speaker 1>contracting industry is not constantly committing crimes. And the tapes

0:49:57.600 --> 0:50:00.520
<v Speaker 1>that he provided showed several things that are very familiar

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>to the Mesquite factory case. For one thing, Villiadis provided

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 1>a nineteen seventy seven tape with the company's executive vice president,

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Gordon MacDonald, telling him that the company had issued an

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:13.520
<v Speaker 1>impossible delivery timetable for the first Trident submarine because the

0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:16.480
<v Speaker 1>CEO of General Dynamics wanted to quote keep our stock

0:50:16.600 --> 0:50:19.680
<v Speaker 1>price from sliding. In other words, every time that the

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:21.759
<v Speaker 1>stock price slides, you can announce, oh, we're about to

0:50:21.840 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 1>release the Trident, and you can get a quick boost

0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:24.360
<v Speaker 1>in the stock price.

0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 10>Yeah.

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.239
<v Speaker 1>As a result of this kind of fuckery, the sub

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was not produced until two years after this date. Now

0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:32.560
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty bad. But the incident that actually sparked the

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 1>first known criminal investigation of a defense contractor came in

0:50:35.640 --> 0:50:38.520
<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty three when General Dynamics tried to charge the

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Air Force ninety six hundred dollars for a four inch

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:45.319
<v Speaker 1>long wrench. And this revealed a bunch of If you've

0:50:45.320 --> 0:50:48.000
<v Speaker 1>ever heard stories of like six thousand dollars wrenches and

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:51.080
<v Speaker 1>ya dah, yeah, no, forty four thousand dollars plungers. It's

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 1>General Dynamics that people are talking about. That was a

0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:58.120
<v Speaker 1>real series of like news articles and eventually congressional investigations

0:50:58.160 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 1>into the fact that they were charging cerred amounts of

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:02.560
<v Speaker 1>money for bullshit. Now, part of the reason for this

0:51:03.000 --> 0:51:05.520
<v Speaker 1>was that, like Navy and Air Force, procurement was completely

0:51:05.640 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 1>fucked in this point, and they just did not keep

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.360
<v Speaker 1>a backlog of like the material they needed to repair

0:51:10.400 --> 0:51:12.440
<v Speaker 1>their shit on hand. But a lot of it was

0:51:12.560 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>just massive rampant corruption with companies like General Dynamics in particular. Now,

0:51:17.080 --> 0:51:20.720
<v Speaker 1>charges like this inspired further investigations into how GD functioned,

0:51:21.000 --> 0:51:23.520
<v Speaker 1>and this eventually led to a congressional inquiry. It came

0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:26.239
<v Speaker 1>out that in nineteen eighty two, General Dynamics had asked

0:51:26.280 --> 0:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>the Pentagon to pay almost nineteen million dollars in overhead

0:51:29.440 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 1>costs for their company HQ. These were not what you'd

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:36.520
<v Speaker 1>call unavoidable expenses. Quote four hundred and ninety one eight

0:51:36.640 --> 0:51:39.040
<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty dollars for Lewis's that's the chairman's personal

0:51:39.080 --> 0:51:41.200
<v Speaker 1>flights on corporate jets, often to and from his farm

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:44.480
<v Speaker 1>in Albany, five hundred and thirty eight thousand, seven hundred

0:51:44.480 --> 0:51:47.160
<v Speaker 1>and eighty one dollars for contributions in memberships, including country

0:51:47.200 --> 0:51:49.680
<v Speaker 1>club fees for top executives, and one hundred and fifty

0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:52.040
<v Speaker 1>five dollars for the kinneling of a dog named Firston

0:51:52.080 --> 0:51:55.160
<v Speaker 1>while its owner, a General Dynamics executive, attended a company

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:58.160
<v Speaker 1>conference at a South Carolina resort. At last week's hearing,

0:51:58.480 --> 0:52:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Congressman Dingle Quiz Lewis out a five hundred and seventy

0:52:01.160 --> 0:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>one dollars charge for a king size sert, a perfect

0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 1>sleeper mattress, and a box spring set, which was delivered

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 1>to the Clayton Inn in suburban Saint Louis. It was

0:52:08.600 --> 0:52:11.480
<v Speaker 1>for mister Velliadis, SI Lewis, who explained that the executive

0:52:11.520 --> 0:52:13.200
<v Speaker 1>said he needed the bed for times he came to

0:52:13.239 --> 0:52:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Saint Louis for meetings, added Gordon McDonald, a General Dynamics

0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:19.960
<v Speaker 1>executive Vice president. Mister Velliattis, being a very large man,

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:22.440
<v Speaker 1>complained so much to the secretary of the company that

0:52:22.520 --> 0:52:24.239
<v Speaker 1>he got tired of hearing it and bought the bed.

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Valiatdis denied that the bed was for him. Just very

0:52:28.320 --> 0:52:32.080
<v Speaker 1>funny stories consistently when you look into like eighties defense

0:52:32.560 --> 0:52:36.759
<v Speaker 1>contractor procurement issues, specifically around General Dynamics. Now, I know

0:52:36.840 --> 0:52:40.080
<v Speaker 1>what you're wondering, how did they get away with such corruption? Well,

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:43.120
<v Speaker 1>that nineteen million dollars the US government spent on complete

0:52:43.160 --> 0:52:46.120
<v Speaker 1>bullshit fees was matched with one point twenty four million

0:52:46.160 --> 0:52:50.800
<v Speaker 1>dollars in the General Dynamics accountman purely to entertain Pentagon officials,

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:54.520
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen seventy seven, they gave a twenty five dollars

0:52:54.560 --> 0:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>diamond earring set to the wife of Admiral Hyman rickover

0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.400
<v Speaker 1>head of the nuclear propulsion program.

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:00.120
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 1>To be fair to Hymen, the real reason they were

0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:04.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to butter him up is that he had repeatedly

0:53:04.560 --> 0:53:07.239
<v Speaker 1>complained about the company. But this is the kind of

0:53:07.280 --> 0:53:09.439
<v Speaker 1>shit that they have been doing forever. Like the fact

0:53:09.480 --> 0:53:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that they have now spent half a billion dollars of

0:53:11.560 --> 0:53:14.200
<v Speaker 1>taxpayer money on a factory that does not work is

0:53:14.360 --> 0:53:17.200
<v Speaker 1>nothing new to General Dynamics. And I'm sure they've now

0:53:17.280 --> 0:53:19.680
<v Speaker 1>promised to put another two hundred million dollars into the

0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:22.120
<v Speaker 1>factory and that it'll be producing twenty thousand shells a

0:53:22.200 --> 0:53:25.200
<v Speaker 1>month at least within a year. I'm sure at some

0:53:25.280 --> 0:53:27.440
<v Speaker 1>point they'll get at working if they keep shoveling a

0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:30.000
<v Speaker 1>bunch of money into it. But make no mistake, it

0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:32.719
<v Speaker 1>will not be General Dynamics money. It will be money

0:53:32.760 --> 0:53:34.879
<v Speaker 1>one way or the other that US taxpayers have given

0:53:34.920 --> 0:53:38.560
<v Speaker 1>them that winds up eventually maybe making this factory produce

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 1>a single shell. Anyway, General Dynamics.

0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh, let's go on one more hat break and then

0:53:45.400 --> 0:53:47.160
<v Speaker 2>talk about bones in Florida.

0:53:47.280 --> 0:53:51.160
<v Speaker 3>I guess yeah, wild.

0:54:01.080 --> 0:54:05.600
<v Speaker 4>Speaking of unbelievably corrupt bullshit that is directly tied to

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:11.480
<v Speaker 4>the American war efforts in Iran. Okay, so bonds are

0:54:11.760 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 4>not normally an extremely exciting topic. So let's start off

0:54:15.040 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 4>with the glaring part, which is that early this week,

0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:21.560
<v Speaker 4>the yields on US Treasury bonds, specifically thirty year teen notes,

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 4>hit highs not seen since two thousand and seven, several

0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:31.120
<v Speaker 4>weeks before the collapse of the American stock markets. It's

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:34.040
<v Speaker 4>also noted by several analysts that the other times that

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.959
<v Speaker 4>we've seen peaks like this were like nineteen thirty nine,

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:41.879
<v Speaker 4>right before that, and I think there was another one

0:54:41.960 --> 0:54:45.560
<v Speaker 4>of these I forgot I forgot the other economic collapse

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.040
<v Speaker 4>where there was a there was a giant one of

0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:48.080
<v Speaker 4>these right before it.

0:54:48.320 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 3>Like the nineteen twenty nineteen thirty one.

0:54:52.800 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 4>Is that like black fry, Yeah, there's one more. I

0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 4>think it might have been like the dot com bubble

0:54:59.239 --> 0:55:01.880
<v Speaker 4>or something. I forget WHI judtle. But the experts suggests

0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 4>that bond markets only do this when they are in

0:55:04.040 --> 0:55:09.640
<v Speaker 4>extreme distress. So what does this actually mean. Bonds are

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 4>a thing that, in this case, you can get from

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.080
<v Speaker 4>the governments and you pay the government money and the

0:55:14.120 --> 0:55:16.800
<v Speaker 4>government promises you to pay back more money later, and

0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.359
<v Speaker 4>the yield is like how much more money they're they're

0:55:19.360 --> 0:55:23.520
<v Speaker 4>giving you back? Right, High yields on bonds means, you know,

0:55:23.680 --> 0:55:27.680
<v Speaker 4>an increase of the cost of borrowing, and high yields

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 4>on US government bonds is a sign of growing distrust

0:55:31.040 --> 0:55:33.920
<v Speaker 4>in a long run economic feature of the US. Usually,

0:55:34.080 --> 0:55:36.640
<v Speaker 4>these bonds pay like absolute shit. But the reason they

0:55:36.680 --> 0:55:39.319
<v Speaker 4>pay like shit is that it's the US government. You're

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 4>guaranteed to get your money back, so they're supposed to

0:55:41.200 --> 0:55:44.120
<v Speaker 4>be an extremely safe asset, right, And when these rates

0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 4>are up, it's because everyone is, you know, looking at

0:55:46.560 --> 0:55:49.080
<v Speaker 4>something happening in the market and something happening structurally in

0:55:49.120 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 4>the US economy and panicking. Now one of those things

0:55:52.640 --> 0:55:55.400
<v Speaker 4>is they're looking at the US debt and panicking, and

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:59.680
<v Speaker 4>you know, whether or not that's like a great way

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:02.520
<v Speaker 4>to evaluate how panicky they have to be is an

0:56:02.600 --> 0:56:05.040
<v Speaker 4>open question. This has been one of the lines that's

0:56:05.040 --> 0:56:06.480
<v Speaker 4>been coming out is that they're looking at you know,

0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.080
<v Speaker 4>the US date and increasing faster, if than expected. The

0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:12.760
<v Speaker 4>main thing, however, that has been setting off this particular

0:56:12.880 --> 0:56:17.880
<v Speaker 4>wave of like mass selling of bonds is the collapse

0:56:17.920 --> 0:56:21.120
<v Speaker 4>of that sixty day piece deal that Robert was talking

0:56:21.160 --> 0:56:23.920
<v Speaker 4>about earlier, which you know, I don't think anyone who

0:56:24.040 --> 0:56:27.799
<v Speaker 4>was actually following the conflict really thought that was going

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:30.759
<v Speaker 4>to go anywhere. But the thing that was important about it,

0:56:30.760 --> 0:56:33.160
<v Speaker 4>strategically from the American side was that this was this

0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:36.759
<v Speaker 4>was the thing that investors in financial annas were hanging

0:56:36.800 --> 0:56:39.319
<v Speaker 4>their hat on. And you know, these these people had

0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:41.720
<v Speaker 4>convinced themselves that this process was actually going to result

0:56:41.760 --> 0:56:43.359
<v Speaker 4>in the end of the war, and that quickly ending

0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:46.200
<v Speaker 4>the war was going to you know, restore economic growth, etc.

0:56:46.400 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Etc.

0:56:46.760 --> 0:56:50.200
<v Speaker 4>And stave off inflation. And this was sort of the

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:52.879
<v Speaker 4>week as as as I mentioned earlier, the Brent crude

0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:55.560
<v Speaker 4>index eight ninety dollars a barrel, and the peace talks

0:56:56.080 --> 0:56:57.640
<v Speaker 4>formally completely collapsed.

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 3>That there was a growing real lization that this war

0:57:01.480 --> 0:57:02.239
<v Speaker 3>is not going to end.

0:57:02.280 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 4>The economic conditions caused by the war not ending out

0:57:04.480 --> 0:57:07.880
<v Speaker 4>going to continue, which means inflation is going to increase

0:57:08.000 --> 0:57:10.759
<v Speaker 4>and it's going to have sort of far reaching and

0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:14.400
<v Speaker 4>long lasting economic impacts. Now, this is a global squeeze

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 4>that's been hitting most developed countries. Japan has also been

0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:22.920
<v Speaker 4>very badly hit by these sort of shocks in bond yields. Now,

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:27.360
<v Speaker 4>what's interesting reading analysis of it is that you're actually

0:57:27.520 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 4>starting to see a lot of firms. JP Morgan is

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.600
<v Speaker 4>a good example of this. Were JP Morgan for like,

0:57:34.680 --> 0:57:37.360
<v Speaker 4>basically since the war has started. JP Morgan's analysis has

0:57:37.400 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 4>been the war is going to end, and when the

0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:40.720
<v Speaker 4>war ends, things will go back to normal. So we're

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:42.439
<v Speaker 4>just going to keep projecting things are going to be fine.

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.800
<v Speaker 4>They are finally pointing out the things that we've been saying,

0:57:45.920 --> 0:57:47.800
<v Speaker 4>which is that yeah, no, the war is not ending

0:57:47.840 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 4>and it's wreaking havoc on global supply chains. Now, the

0:57:53.640 --> 0:57:57.760
<v Speaker 4>other thing that's been causing this run up there's two

0:57:57.840 --> 0:57:59.840
<v Speaker 4>sides of this back to back that seem very con

0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 4>which is, on the one hand, there is growing fear

0:58:04.440 --> 0:58:06.640
<v Speaker 4>over the fact that the AI bubble looks like it's

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:09.000
<v Speaker 4>going to collapse, right and we've seen this was sort

0:58:09.040 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 4>of like the kost b shock I was talking about earlier,

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 4>where you know, the stock market like ten five to

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 4>ten percent of the stock markets creates stock markets value

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:20.320
<v Speaker 4>keeps disappearing overnight and then reappearing the next day. But

0:58:20.560 --> 0:58:23.640
<v Speaker 4>then and this is sort of fascinating. One of the

0:58:23.720 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 4>other things that's been happening is that there has been

0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:30.919
<v Speaker 4>an unbelievable proliferation of bonds issued by AI companies because

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 4>these AI companies are having to go to the finance

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 4>markets to like fund all of their weird data center bullshit.

0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:40.000
<v Speaker 4>And this has gotten a bunch of investors to pull

0:58:40.080 --> 0:58:43.600
<v Speaker 4>their money out of very safe US bonds and put

0:58:43.840 --> 0:58:51.360
<v Speaker 4>them into hideously unsafe AI bonds, a thing which I

0:58:51.480 --> 0:58:55.160
<v Speaker 4>don't even this obviously is going to go catastrophically wrong.

0:58:55.400 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 4>I don't have a sophisticated analysis for why, like taking

0:59:00.120 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 4>money out of the US government and putting it into

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.040
<v Speaker 4>this AI company is going to create a transcendent God

0:59:06.280 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 4>is a terrible idea. And what we've kind of seen

0:59:10.080 --> 0:59:13.160
<v Speaker 4>in the past couple of days as these bond yields

0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.320
<v Speaker 4>have risen as from a combination of these factors, is

0:59:16.400 --> 0:59:18.560
<v Speaker 4>it looks like the beginning of the moment where wildly

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 4>coyote like looks down and realizes that he's off the cliff. Now,

0:59:23.640 --> 0:59:28.120
<v Speaker 4>on Wednesday, the Treasury began a massive buyback of treasury bonds.

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.880
<v Speaker 4>I going to quote from CNBC here. Under the accelerated

0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:36.000
<v Speaker 4>buy back, Treasury, led by Secretary Scott Bessant, will target

0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 4>the ten to twenty year and twenty to thirty year

0:59:38.800 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 4>portion of the market, which has seen a buyer strike

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:45.160
<v Speaker 4>since late June. The government will at least double the

0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 4>maximum size of its buyback operations from two billion to

0:59:48.440 --> 0:59:52.520
<v Speaker 4>quote at least four billion dollars, according to an announcement

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:56.680
<v Speaker 4>from the Department. Now, in terms of the actual size

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:59.240
<v Speaker 4>of this buyback, which is like not a great sign

0:59:59.480 --> 1:00:01.560
<v Speaker 4>when the is buying back its own debt in an

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<v Speaker 4>attempt to stabilize the market. But that's not you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in terms of the size of like the US bob market,

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<v Speaker 4>that's really a drop in the bucket. But it does

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<v Speaker 4>seem to have temporarily sort of stabilized the markets on

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<v Speaker 4>the belief that if things continue to go run, the

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<v Speaker 4>government will step in. However, the actual underlying economic metrics

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<v Speaker 4>remain bad for everything in the economy that isn't ai

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<v Speaker 4>and this is one of the things that traditionally heralds

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<v Speaker 4>a fall in economic collapse. Now, it's also worth noting that,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, cos B, for example, keeps hitting its circuit breaker,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's something that also traditionally has been like the

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<v Speaker 4>prelude to collapse, and it hasn't yet. So you know,

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<v Speaker 4>we're we're in it. We're in a deeply weird and

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<v Speaker 4>semi unprecedented time in the markets and in sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the behavior of these investors and financial actors.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's not good. It's my, it's my.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like a conclusion on the state of the US

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<v Speaker 4>bond market and the global economy at large.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's close with elections, and I want to start with

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<v Speaker 2>a quick correction for one or two of my last

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<v Speaker 2>election segments. I keep calling Governor Tim Walls Mike Walls,

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know why this keeps happening. I picture

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<v Speaker 2>his face in my mind, and I just like autocreks

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<v Speaker 2>to Mike. I've caught this a few times and fixed

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<v Speaker 2>it before the episode goes out, but this pastime I

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<v Speaker 2>did not. Now Slightly more importantly, I also accidentally referred

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<v Speaker 2>to Mike Rogers in Michigan as the incumbent, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is not true. This Senate race is open and Rogers's

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<v Speaker 2>former congressmen. I know these are smaller details and stories

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<v Speaker 2>that are focused more on how DSA and left wing

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<v Speaker 2>candidates are running their campaigns, but these types of details

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<v Speaker 2>are still important to get right, and I regret the error.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's turn to Florida, where I'm sad to say the

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<v Speaker 2>resistance has been defeated.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Garrison, are you talking about Florida the state or

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<v Speaker 1>flow Rida of the musical? Since now you.

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<v Speaker 3>Missed a good chance to pivot with talking of regret,

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<v Speaker 3>and then.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought about doing that, but I'm like, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>would rather not, because I'm just saying I still think

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<v Speaker 2>there's hope for Florida. I said, bold take, but American

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<v Speaker 2>hero Alexander Vinman will not be that hope.

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<v Speaker 3>You'll be assuring another correction for that bad boy. Let

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking in the grands Okay, I'm talking about in

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<v Speaker 2>the cosmic sense, not in the short term.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, I agree with you. I have hope for

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<v Speaker 3>the Ferridianes.

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<v Speaker 2>The resistance has been defeated. American hero Alexander Vinman, the

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<v Speaker 2>whistleblower who testified in Trump's first impeachment hearings, has lost

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic nomination for US Senate in an upset to

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<v Speaker 2>Angie Nixon, a state representative from Jacksonville and a Democratic socialist.

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon won by one hundred and fifty thousand votes. Oh wow,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty six point one percent to Vinman's forty three point nine.

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<v Speaker 2>And this, this, this is a big upset because Nixon

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<v Speaker 2>was out fundraised sixteen to one. She had just under

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<v Speaker 2>a million dollars while vinmin raked in over sixteen million.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, like a resist lib hero, losing a

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<v Speaker 2>primary to a socialist in Florida is astounding.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Nixon's a union organizer who's running on Medicare for all,

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<v Speaker 2>taxing billionaires for childcare, universal jobs program, and opposition to Israel.

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<v Speaker 2>She was endorsed by Alano mar Or. She had a

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<v Speaker 2>t leave needed Turner, Cory Bush, and Miss Rachel who's

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<v Speaker 2>listed in the National Leaders section of Nixon's.

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<v Speaker 4>Website good for her, our only truly good national leader.

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<v Speaker 3>No complaints with her. Miss Rachel show more spine than

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<v Speaker 3>most of Congress in the last few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon was also endorsed by Working Families Party, Local Union's JVP,

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish Hoyscher, Peace and track Apak. She joined DSA this

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<v Speaker 2>past June, but did not pursue an endorsement, so is

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<v Speaker 2>a relative newcomer to DSA as an organization. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>want to play this clip from her back in November

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three, a month into Israel's attacks on Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>we are at ten thousand dead Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 3>How man it will be enough?

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<v Speaker 7>I also.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the lawmaker's Republican Michelle Saltzman, just shouted out

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<v Speaker 2>to all of them in the hearing. I'll continue the clip, Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my colleagues just said all of them.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>One of my colleagues said all of them.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my colleagues also stated that this is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>dry up their fundraising if we vote on this resolution.

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<v Speaker 3>I also want that like, that's what we've become in

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<v Speaker 3>this st eight, That's what we've become.

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<v Speaker 2>An estate well, we don't care about innocent babies that

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<v Speaker 2>don't even get the opportunity to blow out their first birthday, Candell.

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<v Speaker 3>So this was a ceasefire resolution just a month in

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<v Speaker 3>two the war. Do you have the sense of like

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<v Speaker 3>turnout versus like electoral Like I'm wondering, is this a

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<v Speaker 3>like people who turn out for primaries tend to be

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<v Speaker 3>like a more politically engaged and people who turn out

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<v Speaker 3>for generals or is this a like this because it's

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<v Speaker 3>she clearly has, like just looking at that speech, she

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<v Speaker 3>has a genuine commitment what she's talking about, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think people yes, appreciate that more than like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>a resist lib hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, and I mean certainly, I think in generals can

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<v Speaker 2>attract a bigger portion of the electorate. Yeah, but there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's a few things going on that created this this

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<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty big difference invots, like over one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's big and.

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<v Speaker 2>Like in my mind, this relates to two of the

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<v Speaker 2>elections last week in Minnesota and Wisconsin. The my Pillow primary,

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<v Speaker 2>where Trump endorsed Mike Lindell lost the Republican governatorial primary

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<v Speaker 2>to the state Speaker of the House and like this

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<v Speaker 2>this is kind of like the idea that a national

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<v Speaker 2>political celebrity can just like waltz into your state and

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<v Speaker 2>gobble up a nomination. Both Lindell and Alexander Vinman, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>come from like the Trump world, albeit on opposite side,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's still part of like like you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Trumpian political circuit, and voters rejected both of them in

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<v Speaker 2>favor of proven state lawmakers, you know, Juanio, a more

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<v Speaker 2>like regular state level Republican, and Angie Nixon, who's like

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<v Speaker 2>a community organizer with like deep connections to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of different communities in the state and

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<v Speaker 2>specifically the working class black community. Now, the other interesting

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<v Speaker 2>thing that this race kind of continues the conversation on

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<v Speaker 2>relates to Francesca Hung's loss last week. As as I

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<v Speaker 2>discussed last week, did not pay for any TV ads,

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<v Speaker 2>and Nixon only spent sixty thousand on ads, was zero

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<v Speaker 2>spent on broadcast or cable. Meanwhile, Vinman spent two point

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<v Speaker 2>two million on ads. That's thirty six times as much

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<v Speaker 2>as Nixon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and Nixon.

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<v Speaker 2>Still wants dumping money off a cliff. That's because she

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<v Speaker 2>actually ran a real campaign, like on the ground and

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<v Speaker 2>Vinman did not. He ran an incredibly lazy campaign. He

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<v Speaker 2>really thought he could just like coast to the nomination

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<v Speaker 2>based on his resist Live credentials, and you know, while

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe helped in Palm Beach, it did not help

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<v Speaker 2>him in the rest of the state, where just he

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<v Speaker 2>got absolutely trounced by Nixon. Like if you look at

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<v Speaker 2>like the county map, it's like whoa.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So come November, Nixon will face the incumbent sener their

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<v Speaker 2>Ashley Moody, the former state ag who Ron de Santis

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<v Speaker 2>appointed to fill Marco Rubio's Senate seat after he was

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<v Speaker 2>tapped for Secretary of Stife. And like Rubio is, Rubio

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<v Speaker 2>has had a strong hole in that seat for decades.

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<v Speaker 2>So the hope for Florida Democrats is that Ashley Moody

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<v Speaker 2>won't command as much loyalty at the ballot box as

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<v Speaker 2>Rubio does, or as Rubio did. Yeah, and maybe and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe maybe, like a critical one percent of the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>vote thinks that she's another Nixon. Yeah, yeah, hopefully you

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<v Speaker 2>never know, but like this could very likely be a

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<v Speaker 2>much harder uphill battle than even you know, like the

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<v Speaker 2>Texas Senate race was Hilario. In this recent election, there

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<v Speaker 2>were around three hundred thousand fewer votes in the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>primary than the GOP primary. Like this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be a very difficult race to win. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to, you know, understate how impressive this primary

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<v Speaker 2>win like really is. And like I don't think anyone

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<v Speaker 2>will false Nixon or her politics if she loses in

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<v Speaker 2>the general.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean someone will someone right a shitty like is

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<v Speaker 3>this the end of the leftop ed right? They always

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<v Speaker 3>do it does a massive They will, they will try.

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<v Speaker 2>But like a lot of centrists do not expect Vinman

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<v Speaker 2>to win if he wins the primaries.

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<v Speaker 4>So like it's it's a Senate seat in Florida. It's

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<v Speaker 4>like that's right, that's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It's It's just I'm reflecting on the fact that like

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<v Speaker 3>people have taken Hong's result and been like, oh, the

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<v Speaker 3>progressive left is dead, and then they're still treating Tallarico

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<v Speaker 3>like he's like the presumptive victor.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and then they'll say yeah, but like yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think one thing we probably should take from Hong's

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<v Speaker 1>election is that television ads cannot be disposed of so

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<v Speaker 1>quickly yet at the general. Yeah, I mean it, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean period like it. I think that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that definitely hurt her campaign is that they made

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<v Speaker 1>a big choice not to do TV ads.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't want to write everything down to that, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>That was certainly a factor in Wisconsin. Nixon's like ground

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<v Speaker 2>game in Florida was able to overcome the massive deficit

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<v Speaker 2>in spending and just not really many fun for TV ads.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think yeah, because this is a Florida Senate

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<v Speaker 2>see that Vindman was not expected to win into general

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the presumptive nominee. But because this race

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<v Speaker 2>will be so hard to win, it'll be harder to

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<v Speaker 2>blame her or her politics specifically for losing. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this race can also be a big opportunity to push

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<v Speaker 2>the overtin window in Florida and I come November, it

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<v Speaker 2>will be really interesting to see what the results of

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<v Speaker 2>this election are because this is a super close race.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if she still loses, hopefully she will not lose,

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<v Speaker 2>but if this race even gets to be where it's

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<v Speaker 2>like more competitive than what it's been for the past

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<v Speaker 2>like ten fifteen years, I think that could be an

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<v Speaker 2>interesting look at how much Trump is hurting Republicans in elections,

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<v Speaker 2>like exactly how upset parts of his base are at

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<v Speaker 2>the current state of things and to what degree that

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<v Speaker 2>affects turnout. But also, on the other hand, if Nixon

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<v Speaker 2>and her politics are able to form a new coalition

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<v Speaker 2>and attract voters that might not usually vote for debtmocrats,

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<v Speaker 2>might not usually vote for socialists, or might not vote

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Because even just in this primary, her core

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<v Speaker 2>voter base was very different than what's currently considered to

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<v Speaker 2>be DSA's most reliable voters. Nixon did best in districts

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<v Speaker 2>that were majority non college educated, and that's usually the

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<v Speaker 2>reverse for a lot of DSA type candidates in other states.

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<v Speaker 2>So she was getting out a slightly different voter base

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<v Speaker 2>than what LSIID was getting out than what DSA candidates

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<v Speaker 2>in New York have been getting out, especially in the primaries.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think she is someone to watch and could

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<v Speaker 2>alter what's seen as politically possible in Florida.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I want to say briefly also that there is

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<v Speaker 4>a chance that you know, with how badly the Republicans

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<v Speaker 4>are doing on generic ballots, I mean, like the good

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<v Speaker 4>projections right now have them down seven points on just

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<v Speaker 4>like a generic Democrat orus the publican ballot, like there

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<v Speaker 4>is a small chance that we get a two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and eight style blowout she wins. Which it's not impossible

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<v Speaker 4>in a way that it usually is. It would be historic, right,

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<v Speaker 4>it would. Yeah, no, it's it's possible, just extremely unlikely.

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<v Speaker 4>But like a I don't think it's likely, but it

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<v Speaker 4>would be like a story, it's more likely than any

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<v Speaker 4>of the times people have said that Democrats are going

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<v Speaker 4>to take Texas. So I'll say about this like it's

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<v Speaker 4>like actually technically possible. So while this is a big

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<v Speaker 4>win for the left, statewide, DSA candidates did not fare

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<v Speaker 4>as well in the recently redistricted US House races in Florida.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's prazily talk about my boy, Oliver Larkin. Larkin was

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<v Speaker 4>running for House District twenty five. That's Miami, Dodd, Palm

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<v Speaker 4>Beach and Broward County, not exactly the friendliest waters for

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<v Speaker 4>an anti Israel socialist. Larkin got sixteen two hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>eighty four votes, while the incumbent House Rep. Jared Moscowitz

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<v Speaker 4>won with twenty eight two hundred and ninety four votes.

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<v Speaker 4>Larkin is DSA endorsed, and he ran a solid campaign

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<v Speaker 4>with an impressive ground game. Over five hundred volunteers, forty

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<v Speaker 4>thousand doors knocked seven hundred and fifty thousand calls. He

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<v Speaker 4>campaigned with Angie Nixon. Also this past month, A Larkin

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<v Speaker 4>has gone and this is a technical term, a beast

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<v Speaker 4>mode in TV news interviews. Here's Larkin getting some pushback

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<v Speaker 4>from a Fox News anchor on abolishing and prosecuting ice.

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<v Speaker 10>What is the number that is fine with you? Is

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<v Speaker 10>there is there a benchmark? Is it fine how many

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<v Speaker 10>children can be raped? And it's fine if you're in

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<v Speaker 10>relation to the immigration community.

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<v Speaker 9>If we're going to talk about children being raped, then

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<v Speaker 9>we need to hold this pedophile president Donald Trump accountable

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<v Speaker 9>and all those that have been implicated by the Epstein

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<v Speaker 9>fissales that the Department of Justice is still not leaking

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<v Speaker 9>and they've sent a pack after Thomas Massey for having

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<v Speaker 9>the temerity to accountable pedophiles that are in control of

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<v Speaker 9>our government.

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<v Speaker 3>Cue, oh, you appreciate your time very much.

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<v Speaker 2>So beyond like attention grabbing moments like that, he's also

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<v Speaker 2>very clearly articulated the details of his platform and defended

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<v Speaker 2>it and dsay against bad faith attacks. He's talked about

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<v Speaker 2>the need for a new past to citizenship and just

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<v Speaker 2>how cost prohibitive it is for immigrants to maintain the

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<v Speaker 2>documented status and Trump has made things even harder on

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<v Speaker 2>purpose to manufacture a political crisis. On Foxy, argued very

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<v Speaker 2>eloquently against providing Israel with so called defensive weapons, which

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<v Speaker 2>he rejected as a categorical term. And he's gone toe

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<v Speaker 2>to toe with Sean AKA Scott Hannity on tax reform

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this week.

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<v Speaker 3>On Local ten.

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<v Speaker 2>This week in Florida, host Glenna Milberg abruptly cut off

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<v Speaker 2>her interview with Larkin after he said that Israel has

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<v Speaker 2>committed a genocide, which she claimed was quote unquote factually incorrect. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Also late last week, Lower Lumer and Democrat state Representative

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<v Speaker 2>Michael Gottlieb tried to shut down a get out the

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<v Speaker 2>vote rally for Larkin, Angie Nixon, and another DSA candidate,

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<v Speaker 2>Elijah Manley, called chomp the oligarchy with a I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say alligator or crocodile on front.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't don't at me. It's going to be an alligator, right,

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<v Speaker 3>whatever the ones are in Florida, alligator anything we have

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<v Speaker 3>any indigenous crocodiles.

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats stage Rep. Michael Gottlieb said the rally was quote

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<v Speaker 2>unquote anti jew and told his constituents to not support

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<v Speaker 2>the venue hosting the event. Laura Lumer led an online

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<v Speaker 2>harassment campaign targeting quote jee Hottist Congresswoman Rashida Talib, who

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<v Speaker 2>was slated to speak at the rally. Lumer said that

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<v Speaker 2>Telib was quote bringing her band of jew haters to

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<v Speaker 2>South Florida and said that Oliver Larkin quote unquote hates

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish people and that he's tried to primary Jared Massowitz

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<v Speaker 2>because he is Jewish. Now, the venue originally contracted for

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<v Speaker 2>the rally canceled. They pulled out when the organizers wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>remove Rashida Talib as a speaker. The rally was rescheduled

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<v Speaker 2>for August fourteenth, and the organizers secured a second venue,

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<v Speaker 2>which also canceled the night before the chomp. The Oligarchy

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<v Speaker 2>rally was supposed to take place next morning. The organizers

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<v Speaker 2>found a third location, which was kept secret until hours

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<v Speaker 2>before the rally, which was then also streamed live, and

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<v Speaker 2>the owner of that third venue, which did ultimately host

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<v Speaker 2>the event, said that within hours his phone was bombarded

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<v Speaker 2>with like six hundred messages from people protesting the rally.

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<v Speaker 2>This kind of shows, like this, the speed and scale

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<v Speaker 2>of the harassment campaign led by Lumer and this state Democrat.

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<v Speaker 2>So unfortunately, you know, Larkin did not win. I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>to see what he does next. I think it would

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<v Speaker 2>be a mistake if he just completely disappears. Think he's

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<v Speaker 2>a good communicator, whether you know something like DSA national

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<v Speaker 2>wants to tap into that, or if he wants to

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<v Speaker 2>work on some other campaigns like Angie Nixon's case campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think he's he's indicated he'll do. But but

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<v Speaker 2>after the general be very interested to see what what

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<v Speaker 2>he does in the future and to close Like at

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<v Speaker 2>this point in like big cities, you know, in blue states,

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<v Speaker 2>DSA are left socialist candidates can only really like run

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<v Speaker 2>to win, like that's that's what you have to do.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, there's no more of this like participation trophies. It's

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<v Speaker 3>it's you have to you have to win.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's it's also really important for DSA to expand

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<v Speaker 2>their electoral efforts into red states and districts that are

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<v Speaker 2>not solid blue and in that vein. I think what

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<v Speaker 2>DSA has done in Florida. This primary reminds me of

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<v Speaker 2>what nyc DSA was doing in New York like a

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<v Speaker 2>decade ago, experimenting, building, organizing campaigns, running candidates. Even if

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<v Speaker 2>there is a huge uphill battle, campaign volunteers get to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get experience, and you find your base of

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<v Speaker 2>sport that can be built on in future races. And

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<v Speaker 2>in that sense, I think what they were able to

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<v Speaker 2>able to pull off, including in some very hostile districts,

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<v Speaker 2>was was impressive. Now will will continue in some form

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<v Speaker 2>with Angie Nixon running for Senate these next few months. Finally, finally,

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<v Speaker 2>before we close, I should mention James fish Back, Enemy

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<v Speaker 2>of the Pod, the Groyford candidate for governor, came in

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<v Speaker 2>third place in the GOP gobernatorial primary. He was expected

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<v Speaker 2>to come in second, so that that is interesting. But

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Collins instead got second place with almost half a

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<v Speaker 2>million votes. Oh, he got waxed Byron Donald's the expected

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<v Speaker 2>winner one with eight hundred and ten thousand votes. Fishback

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<v Speaker 2>got just less than two hundred thousand, which is way

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<v Speaker 2>too many votes. Yeah, he should not be He should

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<v Speaker 2>not be getting that number of votes.

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<v Speaker 3>That is not great.

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<v Speaker 2>His campaign was very tailored to a type of voter

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<v Speaker 2>and also like places online and locations in the state

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<v Speaker 2>that the other candidates were not tailoring for. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to like overstate the sort of impact fishbacks

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<v Speaker 2>campaign because there was really no one else kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going after that block, like especially late if Fishback was

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<v Speaker 2>pivoting very hard into like anti data center stuff very

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<v Speaker 2>late into the race to try to, you know, attract

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<v Speaker 2>more voters. Really, so like he was, he was doing

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that other Republicans just were not doing, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>using that sneak o Nick Fuentes asthma Goold endorsement, which

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<v Speaker 2>which which got him more than one hundred and fifty thousand.

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<v Speaker 3>Votes, which is not not great. Yeah, it is, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It is just over ten percent of the Republican vote.

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<v Speaker 3>I think Garrison and I made an episode about fish Back,

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<v Speaker 3>god knows how long ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know what he'll He'll he might just

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<v Speaker 2>try to get some sort of like right wing, far

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<v Speaker 2>right pundit job in the future.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I want to. I want to also convey

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<v Speaker 4>Sophie's message of fuck Byron Donald's this guy also sucks.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, yeah, it's it's a Republican primary. They're all

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<v Speaker 4>going to be like, you're you're in a race with

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<v Speaker 4>the worst, second worst, and third worst person you've ever seen.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but yeah, that is that is Florida. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that is our our buy buy annual Florida.

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