WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: Taking Responsibility for Your Life with Adam Coleman

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned in the last episode that I went to

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<v Speaker 1>Asia this summer. It was my first time, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>really going to Asia. I've been to Israel, I've into Turkey,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think people know what I mean when I

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<v Speaker 1>say that. We landed in Bangkok and ate our way

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<v Speaker 1>through the busy, noisy, crowded city. The food was just outstanding.

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<v Speaker 1>The street food you always hear about was better than

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<v Speaker 1>you could imagine. The next stop was Hanoi, another carnival

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<v Speaker 1>of crowds and food, really chaotic city. And the last

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<v Speaker 1>stop was Singapore, which I thoroughly enjoyed. We have a

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<v Speaker 1>family member who lives there and who we hope will

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<v Speaker 1>come back to the US sooner rather than later. But

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<v Speaker 1>after this trip, we totally understood why he hasn't. Singapore

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<v Speaker 1>is a beautiful city, old parts and new parts, clean, orderly,

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<v Speaker 1>super safe, with just amazing restaurants all around, amazing food.

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<v Speaker 1>When you're there, you definitely get to thinking why aren't

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<v Speaker 1>our cities more like this? And of course they have

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<v Speaker 1>less freedom than we do. You can't really speak out

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<v Speaker 1>against the government. Porn is illegal, pod is illegal. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of things are regulated there that aren't here, but

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't really explain the cleanliness or the orderliness of

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<v Speaker 1>the city. And the thing I kept coming back to

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<v Speaker 1>is we have all the same laws about that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff that they do. Littering is illegal in most

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<v Speaker 1>probably all US cities, Sleeping on the street is illegal,

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<v Speaker 1>theft is illegal, eating on public transportation is illegal in

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<v Speaker 1>lots of places, including New York. But these things are

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<v Speaker 1>rarely to never punish in the US. It's not that

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<v Speaker 1>Singapore has more laws about the kind of things that

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<v Speaker 1>make society function, it's that they enforce the laws that

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<v Speaker 1>they have. In a lot of places in America, we've

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<v Speaker 1>come to associate disarray with freedom. We don't have more

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<v Speaker 1>freedom because society is in chaos, We probably have less.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought New York was particularly dysfunctional, so I moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Florida, and it's a far more normal, more functioning state,

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<v Speaker 1>in part because like Singapore, we can count on laws

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<v Speaker 1>being enforced in Florida. But I worry about the state

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<v Speaker 1>of mind. That whole thing about chaos being the price

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<v Speaker 1>that we pay for freedom. I worry about that perspective spreading.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard to preserve an oasis of sanity. In Florida

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<v Speaker 1>and in other Red states, people worry that outsiders will

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<v Speaker 1>move in and vote for Democrats and Ruins, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>a good thing. It makes sense, but I fear the

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<v Speaker 1>problem isn't just political. Apathy creates the kind of disorder

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<v Speaker 1>I fear, and I feel that apathy spreading. I feel

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<v Speaker 1>it spreading through our culture, and I'm not sure what

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<v Speaker 1>to do about it. I'm going to spend some time

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about this, and I'd love to hear your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on it too. Also, thank you for the fiction book recommendations.

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<v Speaker 1>I really love hearing from you. Guys. Hit me up

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<v Speaker 1>on Twitter or My email is Carol Markowitz Show at

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<v Speaker 1>gmail dot com. Coming up next and interview with Adam Coleman.

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<v Speaker 1>Join us after the break. Welcome back to the Carol

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<v Speaker 1>Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Adam Coleman,

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<v Speaker 1>founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and host of Breaking Bread. Hi, Adam,

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<v Speaker 1>how you doing so Last I saw you, I was

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<v Speaker 1>on Breaking Bread, which was a really good time. It's

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<v Speaker 1>funny because your concept is that we have lunch while

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<v Speaker 1>we chat, so like in the videos of it, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm chewing and trying to make you know, interesting

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<v Speaker 1>points at the same time. Do people find that to

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<v Speaker 1>be a challenge or just me?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure other people at the very start have a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit of challenge. But I think the nature of

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation is so relaxed because I don't want people

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<v Speaker 2>to recognize the cameras, Like, don't look at the cameras.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're just you go out with your friends, you're eating

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<v Speaker 2>and you're talking. It's the same type of vibe. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think in the beginning it's normal for people to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of be like, I don't want to smack too hard,

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<v Speaker 2>but then after a while they just like just go

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<v Speaker 2>with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I also, I chose Vietnamese food for our lunch, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know that involves using chopsticks. I mean, I just

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I didn't think it through, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, I should have done like something that was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, one bite, not like, oh, I have this

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<v Speaker 1>noodle dish with like chicken, and like.

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<v Speaker 3>I eat noodles all time, but.

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<v Speaker 1>On camera while trying to have a conversation and while

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<v Speaker 1>trying to you know, look good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the whole thing is like when you go

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<v Speaker 2>out with your friends, you're not worried about like, oh

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<v Speaker 2>do I look this?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, Like it goes with being casual.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the people who watch it understand, like we're

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<v Speaker 2>eating like it's okay, you know. So I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>you to worry about it. I don't think the audience

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<v Speaker 2>worries about it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't really get people complaining.

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<v Speaker 2>If anything, it gives them something to look at, like

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<v Speaker 2>that looks good, you know, and they want to watch

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<v Speaker 2>or they want to or if they're in the audio version.

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<v Speaker 3>They're like what are they eating? Like I want to

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<v Speaker 3>see what it looks like. Then they might want to

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<v Speaker 3>actually look.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So what was the why did you start breaking bread?

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<v Speaker 1>What was your purpose with it?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question because for a long time, or

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<v Speaker 2>resisted doing any any video content. And I give credit

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<v Speaker 2>to Ed Lattimore for telling me, for like the fifth time,

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<v Speaker 2>you need to do video content. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity. I was supposed to work with a different

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<v Speaker 2>company and they were looking for video content. They're open

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<v Speaker 2>to ideas, and so the idea kind of came to

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<v Speaker 2>me because it's something that I had been doing the

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of traveling to different countries or just traveling in general.

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<v Speaker 2>Sitting down with people and talking politics with something I

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<v Speaker 2>was doing for a number of years. I started traveling abroad,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in twenty sixteen, and every time I would travel,

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<v Speaker 2>I would sit down with people. Sometimes it would be

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<v Speaker 2>other Americans, but most of the time it'd be people

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<v Speaker 2>from various countries and we would sit and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>where we're from the politics. But a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>are interested in American politics and do a lot, so

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<v Speaker 2>then we would have a discussion about American politics, but

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<v Speaker 2>they can actually talk to an American to gain an

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<v Speaker 2>American perspective, and then wherever they're from, I would ask

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<v Speaker 2>them questions. So I remember one time I was in

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<v Speaker 2>a hostel with a guy from Sweden, a girl from Korea,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think a girl from China just asking each

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<v Speaker 2>other questions. I was like, you're here with an American,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to ask me any questions? And we just

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<v Speaker 2>had an open cannon conversation. So it was something that

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<v Speaker 2>I was used to doing, and especially like having a

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<v Speaker 2>meal and discussing these things. I remember one time I

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<v Speaker 2>had a conversation for about an hour or so with

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<v Speaker 2>a girl from Australia when I was in Barcelona, well

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<v Speaker 2>having taught us and it was one of the better

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<v Speaker 2>conversations that I had, So, you know, I just wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of bring that to.

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<v Speaker 3>Video.

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<v Speaker 2>And from the very beginning, I didn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 2>creating videos. So over the past year it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of learning, which has actually been something that I've

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<v Speaker 2>been very excited about, learning about cinematography or i should

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<v Speaker 2>say videography, how this works, how to improve the quality

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<v Speaker 2>of this and that. And it's been a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>money invested and a lot of mistakes and learning from

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<v Speaker 2>those mistakes and getting better at the craft excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>So what kind of questions do they ask you at

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<v Speaker 1>the hostel about being an American.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good question because I'm trying to remember offhand.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I lived in Scotland for a few years during

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<v Speaker 1>college and I traveled around and the Europeans they would

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<v Speaker 1>ask such like, it's it's not like American cultures very

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<v Speaker 1>in their face. They're they're constantly, you know, getting our

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<v Speaker 1>culture mixed into their culture, but there's there's still kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one dimensional about what we actually are, Like they

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<v Speaker 1>think we are all these you know, you know the

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<v Speaker 1>picture of like what Europeans think Americans eat for breakfast

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like a giant stack of bacon with like

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<v Speaker 1>a gun like right next to it, and like it's

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<v Speaker 1>not totally wrong, but it's it's a little, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little far fetched. But they would ask me things

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<v Speaker 1>like it was during the Clinton era, and they, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they'd want to know, like why do Americans care so

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<v Speaker 1>much about a blowjob? And you know, I'd be like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not really the blow job that they care that here,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know because especially in places like friends, they're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what like cheating on your spouse is like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something obviously all the politicians do. So what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>things did you get asked?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in that particular conversation, I don't I remember asking

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<v Speaker 2>questions about China and censorship and their opinion on it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was kind of an interesting answer that they

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<v Speaker 2>gave me. But I can't remember all the questions they

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<v Speaker 2>were asking me in that particular moment. But if I

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<v Speaker 2>was to summarized the different conversations that I have with people,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it was very it was all in

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<v Speaker 2>good faith. So I'll say that it was all in

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<v Speaker 2>good faith, and they were actually curious, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>showing that I'm open to whatever. There's no bad question

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<v Speaker 2>you can ask, right, I won't take any offense, and

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<v Speaker 2>so I think that opened them up to ask, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what about this?

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<v Speaker 3>What about that?

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<v Speaker 2>But what I found was that a lot of the stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And mind you, at the time, I was a Democrat.

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<v Speaker 2>So now that I've I've left the Democrat bubble and

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<v Speaker 2>I've kind of just I look at everything as an independent,

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<v Speaker 2>I realize and I kind of realized while I was there,

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<v Speaker 2>much of the media is very much so left leaning

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe, and it is very much one narrative.

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<v Speaker 3>And I remember being.

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<v Speaker 2>In Germany and I saw like this spoof video I

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<v Speaker 2>might have recorded at the time, some spoof video of

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<v Speaker 2>like some of Donald Trump, like some like making an

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<v Speaker 2>ugly face, kind of weird looking thing on TV and

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<v Speaker 2>they were making fun of Donald Trump. And I thought like, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of like this everywhere, Like every narrative that

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<v Speaker 2>they would talk about is very much so from a

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<v Speaker 2>left wing perspective, and so their concept of what's going

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<v Speaker 2>on in America is very much so one sided. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's what I realized personally later on, is that the information.

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<v Speaker 2>Even though I was very analytical about the information that

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<v Speaker 2>I had, I didn't have the entire source of information

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<v Speaker 2>to really give a fair assessment as to what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on. But yeah, I found that much of the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that they were hearing is basically stuff that you

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<v Speaker 2>would see on CNN or you would see CNN International,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're watching it from there. So it was very

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<v Speaker 2>much so one sided.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you have like a particular beat that you

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<v Speaker 1>like to cover? Is there something that you like to

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<v Speaker 1>write about more than anything else.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say the most important thing I like writing

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<v Speaker 2>about is families, especially the impact of family separation. But

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<v Speaker 2>I also put like slash fatherhood, the importance of fatherhood

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<v Speaker 2>and how it impacted me growing up without my father,

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<v Speaker 2>but also being a father to my son who's now

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen and now he's in the stage of being an

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<v Speaker 2>adult and watching him flourish. So yeah, I would say

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<v Speaker 2>those things are far more important to me to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about because I think it's the greatest issue facing all

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<v Speaker 2>of Americans.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not just a black issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so I was going to ask, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>think is our largest cultural problem? And I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>might be something related to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, family separation. Family separation.

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<v Speaker 2>We are number one in the world when it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to children growing up in separate homes from their parents.

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<v Speaker 2>The United Kingdom is number two, nearly a quarter of children,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's a much bigger issue than I think

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<v Speaker 2>people led on.

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<v Speaker 1>Nearly a quarter of children in America grow up living

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<v Speaker 1>separately from both parents or from one parent, or what.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it, separately from at least one.

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<v Speaker 1>Parent, at least one parent? Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ok, yeah, So there's either a children who grow

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<v Speaker 2>up in single parent homes where they never live with

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<v Speaker 2>their it's usually they live with their mother, another father

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<v Speaker 2>where they never grow up with their father, or children

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<v Speaker 2>of the four, but somewhere in that spectrum. And then

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<v Speaker 2>if we were to go out even further, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>what's the impact of that. I've talked about how the

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<v Speaker 2>statistics are ridiculously crazy when it comes to children being

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<v Speaker 2>harmed growing up in an environment with an adult figure

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<v Speaker 2>who's not their biological parent. And it's not to say

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<v Speaker 2>that there aren't good stepfathers, good step mothers out there,

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<v Speaker 2>but if we were to look at what's the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>danger facing a child, one of those greatest dangers is

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<v Speaker 2>growing up in that environment because predators look for single

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<v Speaker 2>mothers all the time. And I've had these conversations, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in another podcasts. One particular podcast, after I made this

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<v Speaker 2>very point, he admitted that was his childhood. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he was molested by his stepfather for years. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this really exists, but we just don't. We don't like

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about it. And I think there are many

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<v Speaker 2>reasons as to why.

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<v Speaker 1>So do you think it's something that's solvable. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>think we can make any progress on this or is

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<v Speaker 1>it sort of only going to get worse. I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 1>pessimistic on stuff like this. I don't know how we

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<v Speaker 1>turn it around.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we can turn I'm one of those people.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a model that I tell my friends just

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<v Speaker 2>let it fail, because sometimes you have to fail in

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<v Speaker 2>order to find success. You know, my life, there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many areas where I failed, but I found success later

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<v Speaker 2>on because of those phase and I learned from those lessons.

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<v Speaker 2>And even for me raising my son, I learned from

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<v Speaker 2>my father's failure to be involved in my son's life

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<v Speaker 2>right and not to be like my father. Now, did

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<v Speaker 2>I need that to be a good father? Maybe I didn't,

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<v Speaker 2>but I still use that as a source. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think there are a lot of children who are becoming

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<v Speaker 2>let's say the gen Z crowd, who are becoming adults,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have the Internet, and they have all this

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<v Speaker 2>information at their fingers tips, and they're asking questions and

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<v Speaker 2>good questions about the world around them. But their parents

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<v Speaker 2>taught them. What their parents are leaving them. Are they

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<v Speaker 2>set up for the future? Does this work? And I

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<v Speaker 2>think some of them are asking the right questions as

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<v Speaker 2>far as I get it, Like I didn't grow up

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<v Speaker 2>in this environment, but was this the best environment for

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<v Speaker 2>me to grow up in?

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<v Speaker 3>In how I was raised? And I think it's good

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<v Speaker 3>to ask these particular questions. So I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I am relatively optimistic that we will make a turn

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<v Speaker 2>for the better.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that going to look like more people getting married

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<v Speaker 1>or how like? How do we how does that turn happen?

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<v Speaker 1>What is the what's the picture you have of a

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<v Speaker 1>positive change in this way where more kids, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>don't live separately from a parent.

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<v Speaker 2>Part of it is, like I was saying, I think

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<v Speaker 2>part of it is the internet. We have we have

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<v Speaker 2>more voices talking about family separation, So that's one I'll

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<v Speaker 2>throw my voice out there. I'm talking about family separation,

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<v Speaker 2>the impact on children. We have more reflection that is happening.

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<v Speaker 2>We have people who not only just take selfies, but

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<v Speaker 2>they're making videos talking about their emotional state and how

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<v Speaker 2>they are affected by whatever happened in their life, including

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<v Speaker 2>their childhood and what they experienced. The fact that I

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<v Speaker 2>was on a podcast and a guy was willing and

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<v Speaker 2>open enough to share how he was molested and how

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<v Speaker 2>it affected his life, and it just takes one person

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<v Speaker 2>to hear that and you're like, you know what, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I should change how he's doing, or maybe when I

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<v Speaker 2>do go to have children, maybe this would be very important.

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<v Speaker 2>I think part of the culture war that's happening, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the battle between the sexes, has a lot to do

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<v Speaker 2>with frustration with wanting to create that, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>from the male perspective, I think there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of men who feel like it is harder to create

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<v Speaker 2>that scenario where they are married, where they are in

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<v Speaker 2>that situation where they can raise their child ldren like

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<v Speaker 2>they're fearful of it. Some of that fear is legitimate,

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<v Speaker 2>some illegitimate, some of its propaganda, but I think it

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<v Speaker 2>some of that comes from a good place where they

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<v Speaker 2>want to have these things. The young men want to

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<v Speaker 2>get married, they want to have a wife, they want

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<v Speaker 2>to rise children in that household, especially because I think

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<v Speaker 2>many of these men who liked this content didn't grow

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<v Speaker 2>up in that particular environment, so they see the bad

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and I think that is something that's good

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<v Speaker 2>because they're recognizing there's a problem, and so you can't

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<v Speaker 2>change what you don't acknowledge, and by them acknowledge that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a problem, they're more willing to try to seek

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<v Speaker 2>out a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, we're going to take a quick break and be

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<v Speaker 1>right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. You've written how

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<v Speaker 1>many books?

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<v Speaker 3>Just one so fast? One?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was two.

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<v Speaker 3>The second edition. That's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>To tell us a little bit about your book.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Black Victim of Black Victor. I started writing it

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty. I think it was like a few

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<v Speaker 2>months after George Floyd. I wrote it because I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to express myself. I thought there were narratives that are

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<v Speaker 2>out there. Some I agreed with, some I disagreed with.

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<v Speaker 2>Mostly I disagreed with. But even the narratives that I

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<v Speaker 2>agreed with, I didn't like how it was stated and

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<v Speaker 2>it didn't sound like my voice. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>had an idea about writing a book a year prior,

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<v Speaker 2>but I had no idea what I wanted to write about.

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<v Speaker 2>And I actually got encouragement from free speech forums like

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<v Speaker 2>you should write more often because of how I was

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<v Speaker 2>explaining how I felt. And so I was like, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>this is the idea, Maybe this is it, and I

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<v Speaker 2>started writing it.

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<v Speaker 3>It took me about I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think eight to nine months, and I self published it

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<v Speaker 2>and had no idea if anybody would like it or

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<v Speaker 2>care to read it or anything. But I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>give it a try. But my main goal was two

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<v Speaker 2>main goals. I wanted to express myself into. I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to leave something behind for my son to be proud of,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, with God's blessing, like all these you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting here talking to you. You know, all these

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<v Speaker 2>different things have happened that I didn't come close to

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<v Speaker 2>ever seeing. And I like to joke about when I

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<v Speaker 2>was writing my book, one friend told me that, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you should send an article to the New York Posts.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, they would never publish my stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you're right there. All the time.

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<v Speaker 3>It's exactly yeah, So you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know. Do you feel like you've made it?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>All I know is that if I can be a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit deep. A couple of years prior to writing

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<v Speaker 2>the book, I was on it. I specifically wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>think about that. I was on a train in Germany

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<v Speaker 2>and i was by myself and my headphones on, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just thinking. I wanted to think about what is

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<v Speaker 2>my purpose in life? And there was one way they

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<v Speaker 2>came to mind was to serve. Everything I've done is

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, and the most important thing and the

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<v Speaker 2>thing I really enjoyed was serving helping people. All of

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<v Speaker 2>my jobs were customer service related. You know, my background's

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<v Speaker 2>in it, but it's dealing with technical issues in person.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me help you fix that over the phone support,

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<v Speaker 2>let me help.

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<v Speaker 3>You fix that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I love helping people, and I'm like, I am

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<v Speaker 2>built to serve. I'm built to be here to help people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when my friendships with people, I go out

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<v Speaker 2>of my way to help people because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>that is my purpose. My purpose is here to serve

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<v Speaker 2>in any capacity that I'm doing anything in and so

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<v Speaker 2>for me, I don't know if I I've made it

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<v Speaker 2>because I feel like it's a never ending journey of serving,

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<v Speaker 2>and now, especially with me being baptized, I fully fully

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<v Speaker 2>understand who I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Here to serve for.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here to serve for the Lord. I'm here to

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<v Speaker 2>help mankind as much as I can. It's why I

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<v Speaker 2>don't engage in negative things. I try to stay, stay

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<v Speaker 2>really really hard away from all the negativity that can

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<v Speaker 2>come to politics, and talk about the issue, talk about

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<v Speaker 2>it from a realistic standpoint, be critical when you see

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<v Speaker 2>evil things, we see bad ideas by trying not to

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<v Speaker 2>go after people unless they're people in power, which they

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<v Speaker 2>deserve it. But I am here to serve the public

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<v Speaker 2>and any capacity, even on a very personal level. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I just had a conversation with a follower of mine

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<v Speaker 2>who wanted to know about becoming a Christian and was

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<v Speaker 2>having trouble coming to faith. I gave them my numbers

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<v Speaker 2>to call me, and I only say this. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>to brag, but it's to show that I really do care.

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<v Speaker 2>I want people not only to come to Christ, but

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<v Speaker 2>I want to help people in any way possible and

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<v Speaker 2>be a good representation as a Christian especially it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>And you just recently got baptized, right, yeah, Saturday. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>So that's really amazing. You know, I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>work that you're doing, it comes across that you really

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<v Speaker 1>want to help people. I don't. I think that that's

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<v Speaker 1>very obvious in your writing and listening to you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about services. It's very much in line with who I

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<v Speaker 1>think you are. So end here with your best tip

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<v Speaker 1>for my listeners on how they can improve their lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, best to improve your life is to take responsibility,

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<v Speaker 2>be accountable for all of your all of life's outcomes.

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<v Speaker 2>I use the example of if you give from a job,

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<v Speaker 2>it's very easy to blame your boss. My boss didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like me, the company was bad. But if you're accountable,

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<v Speaker 2>you're part of this relationship. You're part of the reason

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting fired. So why did you get fired? Take

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<v Speaker 2>accountability for that portion, not everything, but that portion, and

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<v Speaker 2>use that and find a way to improve yourself. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that's why I think that failure isn't always a failure.

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<v Speaker 2>Like failure, it can be the greatest lesson that you

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<v Speaker 2>learned in life. Failure could be something that you really

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate about life. Moving forward, you know, I've been homeless

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<v Speaker 2>as a child twice, and I was homeless or when

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<v Speaker 2>I was around twenty one for a few months, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think of it at least anymore. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think of it as a woe as me think. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really thankful I went through that because it showed me

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<v Speaker 2>if I could go through that, I can go through

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<v Speaker 2>all this other stuff. It showed me the kindness of

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<v Speaker 2>human beings because while I didn't have a place to go,

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<v Speaker 2>the people I was working with on their own put

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<v Speaker 2>me in a hotel room for months till I had

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<v Speaker 2>enough money to get my own place. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>to and I didn't ask them, and the kindness of

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<v Speaker 2>their heart, they wanted that and they didn't ask for

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<v Speaker 2>any money afterwards. You So, I am thankful for all

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<v Speaker 2>these people that I encountered, which by the way, these

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<v Speaker 2>are people of different racial backgrounds, where there's just regular people.

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't even know me. I had just moved

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<v Speaker 2>to Tennessee and they didn't know who I was, but

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<v Speaker 2>they knew about my situation. They didn't want to see

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<v Speaker 2>their coworker sleeping in their car. And I think about

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<v Speaker 2>all these things as a point of pride and an

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<v Speaker 2>appreciation for humanity, the goodness that exists in humanity, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think far too often we're so hyper focused on

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<v Speaker 2>the negative. There's so many good people who are out

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<v Speaker 2>here who do things at the kindness of their heart.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want anything. They just want to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that you're good, because if they were in that situation,

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<v Speaker 2>they would want that too. So Yeah, to summarize, be

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<v Speaker 2>accountable for your life, because that's how you act, actually

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<v Speaker 2>change your life. Victimhood will never get you anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. People are so good and I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, encouraging people to be to want to be

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<v Speaker 1>those good people. It is such a good thing. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much, Adam. He's Adam Coleman, founder of Wrong

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<v Speaker 1>Speak Publishing and host of Breaking Bread. Check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really really excellent. Thank you for coming on, Adam.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markowitz Show.

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