1 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I mentioned in the last episode that I went to 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Asia this summer. It was my first time, I mean 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: really going to Asia. I've been to Israel, I've into Turkey, 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: but I think people know what I mean when I 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: say that. We landed in Bangkok and ate our way 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: through the busy, noisy, crowded city. The food was just outstanding. 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: The street food you always hear about was better than 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: you could imagine. The next stop was Hanoi, another carnival 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: of crowds and food, really chaotic city. And the last 11 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: stop was Singapore, which I thoroughly enjoyed. We have a 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: family member who lives there and who we hope will 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: come back to the US sooner rather than later. But 14 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: after this trip, we totally understood why he hasn't. Singapore 15 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: is a beautiful city, old parts and new parts, clean, orderly, 16 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: super safe, with just amazing restaurants all around, amazing food. 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 1: When you're there, you definitely get to thinking why aren't 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: our cities more like this? And of course they have 19 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: less freedom than we do. You can't really speak out 20 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,600 Speaker 1: against the government. Porn is illegal, pod is illegal. A 21 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: lot of things are regulated there that aren't here, but 22 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:34,039 Speaker 1: that doesn't really explain the cleanliness or the orderliness of 23 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 1: the city. And the thing I kept coming back to 24 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: is we have all the same laws about that kind 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: of stuff that they do. Littering is illegal in most 26 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: probably all US cities, Sleeping on the street is illegal, 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: theft is illegal, eating on public transportation is illegal in 28 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: lots of places, including New York. But these things are 29 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: rarely to never punish in the US. It's not that 30 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Singapore has more laws about the kind of things that 31 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: make society function, it's that they enforce the laws that 32 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: they have. In a lot of places in America, we've 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,920 Speaker 1: come to associate disarray with freedom. We don't have more 34 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: freedom because society is in chaos, We probably have less. 35 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: I thought New York was particularly dysfunctional, so I moved 36 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: to Florida, and it's a far more normal, more functioning state, 37 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: in part because like Singapore, we can count on laws 38 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: being enforced in Florida. But I worry about the state 39 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: of mind. That whole thing about chaos being the price 40 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: that we pay for freedom. I worry about that perspective spreading. 41 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,080 Speaker 1: It's hard to preserve an oasis of sanity. In Florida 42 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: and in other Red states, people worry that outsiders will 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 1: move in and vote for Democrats and Ruins, and they're 44 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: a good thing. It makes sense, but I fear the 45 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: problem isn't just political. Apathy creates the kind of disorder 46 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I fear, and I feel that apathy spreading. I feel 47 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: it spreading through our culture, and I'm not sure what 48 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: to do about it. I'm going to spend some time 49 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: thinking about this, and I'd love to hear your thoughts 50 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: on it too. Also, thank you for the fiction book recommendations. 51 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: I really love hearing from you. Guys. Hit me up 52 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: on Twitter or My email is Carol Markowitz Show at 53 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: gmail dot com. Coming up next and interview with Adam Coleman. 54 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: Join us after the break. Welcome back to the Carol 55 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Adam Coleman, 56 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: founder of Wrong Speak Publishing and host of Breaking Bread. Hi, Adam, 57 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: how you doing so Last I saw you, I was 58 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: on Breaking Bread, which was a really good time. It's 59 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: funny because your concept is that we have lunch while 60 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: we chat, so like in the videos of it, I'm 61 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: like I'm chewing and trying to make you know, interesting 62 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:12,520 Speaker 1: points at the same time. Do people find that to 63 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: be a challenge or just me? 64 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure other people at the very start have a 65 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 2: little bit of challenge. But I think the nature of 66 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: the conversation is so relaxed because I don't want people 67 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 2: to recognize the cameras, Like, don't look at the cameras. 68 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 3: They're not here. 69 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: We're just you go out with your friends, you're eating 70 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,839 Speaker 2: and you're talking. It's the same type of vibe. So 71 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 2: I think in the beginning it's normal for people to 72 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 2: kind of be like, I don't want to smack too hard, 73 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: but then after a while they just like just go 74 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 2: with it. 75 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: I also, I chose Vietnamese food for our lunch, and 76 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: you know that involves using chopsticks. I mean, I just 77 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I didn't think it through, like, you know, 78 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: in retrospect, I should have done like something that was like, 79 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, one bite, not like, oh, I have this 80 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: noodle dish with like chicken, and like. 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: I eat noodles all time, but. 82 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: On camera while trying to have a conversation and while 83 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: trying to you know, look good. 84 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, because the whole thing is like when you go 85 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 2: out with your friends, you're not worried about like, oh 86 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 2: do I look this? 87 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 3: What? 88 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: Right? 89 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, Like it goes with being casual. 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 2: I think the people who watch it understand, like we're 91 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 2: eating like it's okay, you know. So I don't want 92 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,159 Speaker 2: you to worry about it. I don't think the audience 93 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 2: worries about it. 94 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't really get people complaining. 95 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 2: If anything, it gives them something to look at, like 96 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: that looks good, you know, and they want to watch 97 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 2: or they want to or if they're in the audio version. 98 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 3: They're like what are they eating? Like I want to 99 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 3: see what it looks like. Then they might want to 100 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 3: actually look. 101 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, So what was the why did you start breaking bread? 102 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: What was your purpose with it? 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 2: That's a good question because for a long time, or 104 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 2: resisted doing any any video content. And I give credit 105 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: to Ed Lattimore for telling me, for like the fifth time, 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 2: you need to do video content. You know, there was 107 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: an opportunity. I was supposed to work with a different 108 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 2: company and they were looking for video content. They're open 109 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: to ideas, and so the idea kind of came to 110 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 2: me because it's something that I had been doing the 111 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 2: aspect of traveling to different countries or just traveling in general. 112 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 2: Sitting down with people and talking politics with something I 113 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 2: was doing for a number of years. I started traveling abroad, 114 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 2: especially in twenty sixteen, and every time I would travel, 115 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: I would sit down with people. Sometimes it would be 116 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: other Americans, but most of the time it'd be people 117 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: from various countries and we would sit and talk about 118 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 2: where we're from the politics. But a lot of people 119 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: are interested in American politics and do a lot, so 120 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 2: then we would have a discussion about American politics, but 121 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,159 Speaker 2: they can actually talk to an American to gain an 122 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 2: American perspective, and then wherever they're from, I would ask 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 2: them questions. So I remember one time I was in 124 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 2: a hostel with a guy from Sweden, a girl from Korea, 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: and I think a girl from China just asking each 126 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 2: other questions. I was like, you're here with an American, 127 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 2: you want to ask me any questions? And we just 128 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 2: had an open cannon conversation. So it was something that 129 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 2: I was used to doing, and especially like having a 130 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: meal and discussing these things. I remember one time I 131 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 2: had a conversation for about an hour or so with 132 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: a girl from Australia when I was in Barcelona, well 133 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 2: having taught us and it was one of the better 134 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: conversations that I had, So, you know, I just wanted 135 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: to kind of bring that to. 136 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: Video. 137 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 2: And from the very beginning, I didn't know anything about 138 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: creating videos. So over the past year it's been a 139 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 2: lot of learning, which has actually been something that I've 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: been very excited about, learning about cinematography or i should 141 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: say videography, how this works, how to improve the quality 142 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: of this and that. And it's been a lot of 143 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: money invested and a lot of mistakes and learning from 144 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: those mistakes and getting better at the craft excellent. 145 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: So what kind of questions do they ask you at 146 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: the hostel about being an American. 147 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 3: That's a good question because I'm trying to remember offhand. 148 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: Because I lived in Scotland for a few years during 149 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: college and I traveled around and the Europeans they would 150 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: ask such like, it's it's not like American cultures very 151 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: in their face. They're they're constantly, you know, getting our 152 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: culture mixed into their culture, but there's there's still kind 153 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: of one dimensional about what we actually are, Like they 154 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: think we are all these you know, you know the 155 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: picture of like what Europeans think Americans eat for breakfast 156 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: and it's like a giant stack of bacon with like 157 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: a gun like right next to it, and like it's 158 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 1: not totally wrong, but it's it's a little, you know, 159 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: a little far fetched. But they would ask me things 160 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: like it was during the Clinton era, and they, you know, 161 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: they'd want to know, like why do Americans care so 162 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: much about a blowjob? And you know, I'd be like, well, 163 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: it's not really the blow job that they care that here, 164 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: but you know because especially in places like friends, they're like, 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 1: what like cheating on your spouse is like, you know, 166 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: something obviously all the politicians do. So what kind of 167 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: things did you get asked? 168 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: Well, in that particular conversation, I don't I remember asking 169 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: questions about China and censorship and their opinion on it, 170 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 2: and it was kind of an interesting answer that they 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 2: gave me. But I can't remember all the questions they 172 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: were asking me in that particular moment. But if I 173 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: was to summarized the different conversations that I have with people, 174 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: a lot of it was very it was all in 175 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: good faith. So I'll say that it was all in 176 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: good faith, and they were actually curious, and I was 177 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 2: showing that I'm open to whatever. There's no bad question 178 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 2: you can ask, right, I won't take any offense, and 179 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,679 Speaker 2: so I think that opened them up to ask, like, well, 180 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 2: what about this? 181 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 3: What about that? 182 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: But what I found was that a lot of the stuff. 183 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 2: And mind you, at the time, I was a Democrat. 184 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 2: So now that I've I've left the Democrat bubble and 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 2: I've kind of just I look at everything as an independent, 186 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: I realize and I kind of realized while I was there, 187 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,439 Speaker 2: much of the media is very much so left leaning 188 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: in Europe, and it is very much one narrative. 189 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 3: And I remember being. 190 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: In Germany and I saw like this spoof video I 191 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: might have recorded at the time, some spoof video of 192 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 2: like some of Donald Trump, like some like making an 193 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 2: ugly face, kind of weird looking thing on TV and 194 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 2: they were making fun of Donald Trump. And I thought like, like, 195 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,880 Speaker 2: it's kind of like this everywhere, Like every narrative that 196 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 2: they would talk about is very much so from a 197 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: left wing perspective, and so their concept of what's going 198 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: on in America is very much so one sided. And 199 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 2: that's what I realized personally later on, is that the information. 200 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: Even though I was very analytical about the information that 201 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,439 Speaker 2: I had, I didn't have the entire source of information 202 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: to really give a fair assessment as to what was 203 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: going on. But yeah, I found that much of the 204 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: stuff that they were hearing is basically stuff that you 205 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: would see on CNN or you would see CNN International, 206 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 2: and they're watching it from there. So it was very 207 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: much so one sided. 208 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you have like a particular beat that you 209 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 1: like to cover? Is there something that you like to 210 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: write about more than anything else. 211 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: I would say the most important thing I like writing 212 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 2: about is families, especially the impact of family separation. But 213 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: I also put like slash fatherhood, the importance of fatherhood 214 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 2: and how it impacted me growing up without my father, 215 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: but also being a father to my son who's now 216 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 2: eighteen and now he's in the stage of being an 217 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: adult and watching him flourish. So yeah, I would say 218 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: those things are far more important to me to talk 219 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:08,839 Speaker 2: about because I think it's the greatest issue facing all 220 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: of Americans. 221 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,079 Speaker 3: It's not just a black issue. 222 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: Well, so I was going to ask, what do you 223 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: think is our largest cultural problem? And I guess it 224 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: might be something related to this. 225 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, family separation. Family separation. 226 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 2: We are number one in the world when it comes 227 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: to children growing up in separate homes from their parents. 228 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 2: The United Kingdom is number two, nearly a quarter of children, 229 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 2: and so it's a much bigger issue than I think 230 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: people led on. 231 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: Nearly a quarter of children in America grow up living 232 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: separately from both parents or from one parent, or what. 233 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 3: Is it, separately from at least one. 234 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: Parent, at least one parent? Wow? 235 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, ok, yeah, So there's either a children who grow 236 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: up in single parent homes where they never live with 237 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 2: their it's usually they live with their mother, another father 238 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 2: where they never grow up with their father, or children 239 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: of the four, but somewhere in that spectrum. And then 240 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: if we were to go out even further, right, so 241 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: what's the impact of that. I've talked about how the 242 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: statistics are ridiculously crazy when it comes to children being 243 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: harmed growing up in an environment with an adult figure 244 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 2: who's not their biological parent. And it's not to say 245 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 2: that there aren't good stepfathers, good step mothers out there, 246 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 2: but if we were to look at what's the greatest 247 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 2: danger facing a child, one of those greatest dangers is 248 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 2: growing up in that environment because predators look for single 249 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 2: mothers all the time. And I've had these conversations, especially 250 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 2: in another podcasts. One particular podcast, after I made this 251 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 2: very point, he admitted that was his childhood. You know, 252 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 2: he was molested by his stepfather for years. So I mean, 253 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 2: this really exists, but we just don't. We don't like 254 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 2: to talk about it. And I think there are many 255 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 2: reasons as to why. 256 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: So do you think it's something that's solvable. Do you 257 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: think we can make any progress on this or is 258 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: it sort of only going to get worse. I'm pretty 259 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: pessimistic on stuff like this. I don't know how we 260 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: turn it around. 261 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 3: I think we can turn I'm one of those people. 262 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 2: I have a model that I tell my friends just 263 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: let it fail, because sometimes you have to fail in 264 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: order to find success. You know, my life, there's so 265 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: many areas where I failed, but I found success later 266 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: on because of those phase and I learned from those lessons. 267 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: And even for me raising my son, I learned from 268 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 2: my father's failure to be involved in my son's life 269 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: right and not to be like my father. Now, did 270 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: I need that to be a good father? Maybe I didn't, 271 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 2: but I still use that as a source. And I 272 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: think there are a lot of children who are becoming 273 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 2: let's say the gen Z crowd, who are becoming adults, 274 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: and they have the Internet, and they have all this 275 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: information at their fingers tips, and they're asking questions and 276 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 2: good questions about the world around them. But their parents 277 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 2: taught them. What their parents are leaving them. Are they 278 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: set up for the future? Does this work? And I 279 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 2: think some of them are asking the right questions as 280 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 2: far as I get it, Like I didn't grow up 281 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: in this environment, but was this the best environment for 282 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: me to grow up in? 283 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: In how I was raised? And I think it's good 284 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: to ask these particular questions. So I am. 285 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: I am relatively optimistic that we will make a turn 286 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: for the better. 287 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,640 Speaker 1: Is that going to look like more people getting married 288 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: or how like? How do we how does that turn happen? 289 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 1: What is the what's the picture you have of a 290 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: positive change in this way where more kids, you know, 291 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: don't live separately from a parent. 292 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 2: Part of it is, like I was saying, I think 293 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: part of it is the internet. We have we have 294 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 2: more voices talking about family separation, So that's one I'll 295 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 2: throw my voice out there. I'm talking about family separation, 296 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: the impact on children. We have more reflection that is happening. 297 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: We have people who not only just take selfies, but 298 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: they're making videos talking about their emotional state and how 299 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 2: they are affected by whatever happened in their life, including 300 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 2: their childhood and what they experienced. The fact that I 301 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: was on a podcast and a guy was willing and 302 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: open enough to share how he was molested and how 303 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: it affected his life, and it just takes one person 304 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 2: to hear that and you're like, you know what, maybe 305 00:16:32,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 2: I should change how he's doing, or maybe when I 306 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,160 Speaker 2: do go to have children, maybe this would be very important. 307 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: I think part of the culture war that's happening, especially 308 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 2: the battle between the sexes, has a lot to do 309 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: with frustration with wanting to create that, and I think 310 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: from the male perspective, I think there are a lot 311 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 2: of men who feel like it is harder to create 312 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: that scenario where they are married, where they are in 313 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: that situation where they can raise their child ldren like 314 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 2: they're fearful of it. Some of that fear is legitimate, 315 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 2: some illegitimate, some of its propaganda, but I think it 316 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: some of that comes from a good place where they 317 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 2: want to have these things. The young men want to 318 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 2: get married, they want to have a wife, they want 319 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: to rise children in that household, especially because I think 320 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 2: many of these men who liked this content didn't grow 321 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 2: up in that particular environment, so they see the bad 322 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 2: of it, and I think that is something that's good 323 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 2: because they're recognizing there's a problem, and so you can't 324 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: change what you don't acknowledge, and by them acknowledge that 325 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 2: there's a problem, they're more willing to try to seek 326 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 2: out a solution. 327 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: Interesting, we're going to take a quick break and be 328 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: right back on the Carol Marcowitch Show. You've written how 329 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: many books? 330 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 3: Just one so fast? One? 331 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: I thought it was two. 332 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 3: The second edition. That's okay. 333 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: To tell us a little bit about your book. 334 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Black Victim of Black Victor. I started writing it 335 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. I think it was like a few 336 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: months after George Floyd. I wrote it because I wanted 337 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: to express myself. I thought there were narratives that are 338 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 2: out there. Some I agreed with, some I disagreed with. 339 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 2: Mostly I disagreed with. But even the narratives that I 340 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 2: agreed with, I didn't like how it was stated and 341 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: it didn't sound like my voice. And you know, I 342 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: had an idea about writing a book a year prior, 343 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 2: but I had no idea what I wanted to write about. 344 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: And I actually got encouragement from free speech forums like 345 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: you should write more often because of how I was 346 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 2: explaining how I felt. And so I was like, maybe 347 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 2: this is the idea, Maybe this is it, and I 348 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 2: started writing it. 349 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: It took me about I. 350 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 2: Think eight to nine months, and I self published it 351 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,159 Speaker 2: and had no idea if anybody would like it or 352 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 2: care to read it or anything. But I wanted to 353 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: give it a try. But my main goal was two 354 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: main goals. I wanted to express myself into. I wanted 355 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: to leave something behind for my son to be proud of, 356 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 2: and you know, with God's blessing, like all these you know, 357 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: I'm sitting here talking to you. You know, all these 358 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 2: different things have happened that I didn't come close to 359 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: ever seeing. And I like to joke about when I 360 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 2: was writing my book, one friend told me that, like, 361 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 2: you should send an article to the New York Posts. 362 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 2: I'm like, they would never publish my stuff. 363 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: Now you're right there. All the time. 364 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 3: It's exactly yeah, So you never know. 365 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 1: You never know. Do you feel like you've made it? 366 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. 367 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: All I know is that if I can be a 368 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 2: little bit deep. A couple of years prior to writing 369 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: the book, I was on it. I specifically wanted to 370 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 2: think about that. I was on a train in Germany 371 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 2: and i was by myself and my headphones on, and 372 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm just thinking. I wanted to think about what is 373 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 2: my purpose in life? And there was one way they 374 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: came to mind was to serve. Everything I've done is 375 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: in my life, and the most important thing and the 376 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: thing I really enjoyed was serving helping people. All of 377 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 2: my jobs were customer service related. You know, my background's 378 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 2: in it, but it's dealing with technical issues in person. 379 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 2: Let me help you fix that over the phone support, 380 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: let me help. 381 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 3: You fix that. 382 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 2: And I love helping people, and I'm like, I am 383 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: built to serve. I'm built to be here to help people. 384 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: You know, when my friendships with people, I go out 385 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 2: of my way to help people because I feel like 386 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: that is my purpose. My purpose is here to serve 387 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: in any capacity that I'm doing anything in and so 388 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 2: for me, I don't know if I I've made it 389 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 2: because I feel like it's a never ending journey of serving, 390 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 2: and now, especially with me being baptized, I fully fully 391 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: understand who I'm. 392 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 3: Here to serve for. 393 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 2: I'm here to serve for the Lord. I'm here to 394 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,399 Speaker 2: help mankind as much as I can. It's why I 395 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: don't engage in negative things. I try to stay, stay 396 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,639 Speaker 2: really really hard away from all the negativity that can 397 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 2: come to politics, and talk about the issue, talk about 398 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 2: it from a realistic standpoint, be critical when you see 399 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 2: evil things, we see bad ideas by trying not to 400 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,239 Speaker 2: go after people unless they're people in power, which they 401 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 2: deserve it. But I am here to serve the public 402 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 2: and any capacity, even on a very personal level. You know, 403 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: I just had a conversation with a follower of mine 404 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: who wanted to know about becoming a Christian and was 405 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: having trouble coming to faith. I gave them my numbers 406 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,399 Speaker 2: to call me, and I only say this. It's not 407 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 2: to brag, but it's to show that I really do care. 408 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: I want people not only to come to Christ, but 409 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: I want to help people in any way possible and 410 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: be a good representation as a Christian especially it's beautiful. 411 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: And you just recently got baptized, right, yeah, Saturday. Wow, 412 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: So that's really amazing. You know, I think that the 413 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: work that you're doing, it comes across that you really 414 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: want to help people. I don't. I think that that's 415 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: very obvious in your writing and listening to you talk 416 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: about services. It's very much in line with who I 417 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:44,280 Speaker 1: think you are. So end here with your best tip 418 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: for my listeners on how they can improve their lives. 419 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 2: Oh, best to improve your life is to take responsibility, 420 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 2: be accountable for all of your all of life's outcomes. 421 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: I use the example of if you give from a job, 422 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: it's very easy to blame your boss. My boss didn't 423 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 2: like me, the company was bad. But if you're accountable, 424 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 2: you're part of this relationship. You're part of the reason 425 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: you're getting fired. So why did you get fired? Take 426 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 2: accountability for that portion, not everything, but that portion, and 427 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 2: use that and find a way to improve yourself. And 428 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: so that's why I think that failure isn't always a failure. 429 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: Like failure, it can be the greatest lesson that you 430 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 2: learned in life. Failure could be something that you really 431 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,959 Speaker 2: appreciate about life. Moving forward, you know, I've been homeless 432 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 2: as a child twice, and I was homeless or when 433 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 2: I was around twenty one for a few months, and 434 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 2: I don't think of it at least anymore. I don't 435 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: think of it as a woe as me think. I'm 436 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 2: really thankful I went through that because it showed me 437 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: if I could go through that, I can go through 438 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: all this other stuff. It showed me the kindness of 439 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: human beings because while I didn't have a place to go, 440 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: the people I was working with on their own put 441 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 2: me in a hotel room for months till I had 442 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,640 Speaker 2: enough money to get my own place. They didn't have 443 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 2: to and I didn't ask them, and the kindness of 444 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 2: their heart, they wanted that and they didn't ask for 445 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: any money afterwards. You So, I am thankful for all 446 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 2: these people that I encountered, which by the way, these 447 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: are people of different racial backgrounds, where there's just regular people. 448 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: And they didn't even know me. I had just moved 449 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: to Tennessee and they didn't know who I was, but 450 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 2: they knew about my situation. They didn't want to see 451 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: their coworker sleeping in their car. And I think about 452 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 2: all these things as a point of pride and an 453 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,959 Speaker 2: appreciation for humanity, the goodness that exists in humanity, and 454 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: I think far too often we're so hyper focused on 455 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: the negative. There's so many good people who are out 456 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 2: here who do things at the kindness of their heart. 457 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 2: They don't want anything. They just want to make sure 458 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 2: that you're good, because if they were in that situation, 459 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 2: they would want that too. So Yeah, to summarize, be 460 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 2: accountable for your life, because that's how you act, actually 461 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 2: change your life. Victimhood will never get you anywhere. 462 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: I love it. People are so good and I think, 463 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: you know, encouraging people to be to want to be 464 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: those good people. It is such a good thing. Thank 465 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: you so much, Adam. He's Adam Coleman, founder of Wrong 466 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 1: Speak Publishing and host of Breaking Bread. Check it out. 467 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: It's really really excellent. Thank you for coming on, Adam. 468 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 469 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Markowitz Show. 470 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.