Speaker 1: Good morning, sweet wirl, and welcome to the Nodunks Podcast
Speaker 1: presented by FanDuel Tuesday, December sixteenth, twenty twenty five. I'm
Speaker 1: Jay Skeetz here in the Classic Factory and alongside me,
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Speaker 1: Next to him, it's my top shot hot boy Trey Kirby. Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: yo over Yonder making the magic happen. Super producer Jad Hello,
Speaker 1: there he is, and our special guest today, former Milwaukee
Speaker 1: Bucks All Star and Olympic gold medalist. And you know
Speaker 1: what I'm adding to the resume, fantastic new NBA content
Speaker 1: creator Michael Red. Welcome to the show, guys.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 3: It's been a while since we've been together, but it's
Speaker 3: always the pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. I should have said, yeah, welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show because we checked the archives yesterday and Mike,
Speaker 1: you appeared on an old episode of the Starters backing
Speaker 1: our NBA TVs in like twenty seventeen. So it's been
Speaker 1: a long time since we last talked.
Speaker 2: It's almost a decade and.
Speaker 3: I hate to say that, but a big fan of
Speaker 3: you guys, and with a joy then, and certainly it's
Speaker 3: a joy now to be a part of.
Speaker 1: Well, we got lots to talk about with you, and
Speaker 1: you are sort of like in the content creating space,
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that in some of the videos
Speaker 1: you've put up. But let's start with the Nixon Spurs
Speaker 1: set for tonight's NBA Cup in Vegas, where the tournament's
Speaker 1: going to produce a third champion in three years, no
Speaker 1: matter what happens, no matter who wins. I'm interested to
Speaker 1: hear your thoughts as a former player who didn't have
Speaker 1: this NBA Cup when you were hooping, what do you
Speaker 1: think about this whole thing and both you know, if
Speaker 1: you were playing, and I guess as a fan as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been fun to watch. I think.
Speaker 3: It gives fans something else to get excited about, to
Speaker 3: be engaged with in the middle of the season. And
Speaker 3: you couldn't have two better teams at the forefront of
Speaker 3: this right now with the Spurs and the Nicks. Obviously,
Speaker 3: this is the third year of the tournament. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's been fully optimized just yet, but it's trending
Speaker 3: and it's going to be a phenomenal final and I'll
Speaker 3: be watching.
Speaker 1: Are there things that you would change to the Cup?
Speaker 1: Like in terms of you know, we're already getting rid
Speaker 1: of the semifinals in Vegas out of neutral site, But
Speaker 1: do you think they should go worldwide with this? Do
Speaker 1: you think it should just be in the better seeds
Speaker 1: of the higher seeds home place?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: How can it be optimized? Yeah said, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 4: think globally.
Speaker 2: I think it will go globally.
Speaker 3: And now I'm not saying it should, but I think
Speaker 3: it can. It could certainly do that with our fans globally.
Speaker 3: I don't see why I wouldn't go global. And there's
Speaker 3: way above my pay grade to be able to pay
Speaker 3: creatively fair fair enough.
Speaker 1: Are you envious of these guys playing for you know,
Speaker 1: half a million dollars there if they win this thing tonight, Like,
Speaker 1: would that have incentivized you when you were playing in
Speaker 1: their days?
Speaker 2: No, No, not at all.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting when I played, you know, and
Speaker 3: the money that we during that time seemed astronomical compared
Speaker 3: to the guys who played in the.
Speaker 2: Eighties and seventies.
Speaker 3: We would hear you know, and Mike Gore, I can't
Speaker 3: believe you're making so much money, and so I didn't
Speaker 3: want to be that guy when I retired to be
Speaker 3: jealous or be envious of what these guys are making.
Speaker 3: We fought for this in our collective bargain agreements over
Speaker 3: the years, and the players deserve everything they get.
Speaker 5: No NBA Cup when you played, but you did make
Speaker 5: a Final four back in your college days. What's your
Speaker 5: mindset going into like these single elimination games when it's
Speaker 5: all or nothing out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 3: It's so fun, and I think it's a great format
Speaker 3: for the players. Sometimes in the dog days of winter
Speaker 3: during the season, you know, you find yourself. You know,
Speaker 3: for us it was four games and five nights. This
Speaker 3: reinvigorous the players. It gets them me more engaged because
Speaker 3: they're shooting for a midseason goal and you're going to
Speaker 3: see some great basketball to night, because at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, the players want to win, they want
Speaker 3: to compete, and they want to win, no matter if
Speaker 3: it's the finals or the Cups. So I think the
Speaker 3: quality of basketball is gonna shine through tonight.
Speaker 1: Do you have a prediction for Spurs Nicks here tonight?
Speaker 3: Ooh, the Spurs aren't a heater right now, then you
Speaker 3: get a chance to be Okay, see, you've got to
Speaker 3: probably favor them. Although the Knicks with coach Mike Brown
Speaker 3: look great and they're trending in the right direction. I
Speaker 3: think I have the Spurs tonight because of how they've
Speaker 3: been playing. But what it's time to close. There's not
Speaker 3: to meet closers better than Jayalen Brunson. And I'm biased
Speaker 3: because he's left handed, but I just love his game
Speaker 3: and his moxie in the fourth quarter, and so it's
Speaker 3: going to be a barn burner.
Speaker 2: I do have the Spurs pulling out, though.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, hopefully it's an entertaining game. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about last night and in particular one awesome
Speaker 1: game from an eighteen year old kid. The Jazz did
Speaker 1: beat the MAVs.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 1: I want to make note of that. They had some
Speaker 1: great performances. One forty one thirty three despite a career
Speaker 1: high forty two points from koup Flag, becoming the first
Speaker 1: eighteen year old in league history to score forty plus.
Speaker 1: He's playing the best basketball I think we've seen over
Speaker 1: these last few weeks. He's really putting it together. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Cooper Flag's you know, twenty five
Speaker 1: plus first games here and just this rookie class in general,
Speaker 1: because this looks like a stocked class with all the
Speaker 1: performances from these guys.
Speaker 3: No question, it is a deep class to your point,
Speaker 3: But with Cooper, it was a matter of time that
Speaker 3: he kind of figures it out, and so he couldn't
Speaker 3: be under better tutelage with Jason Kidd as his coach
Speaker 3: to help him kind of figure it out.
Speaker 2: Any rookie's going to.
Speaker 3: Go through an adjustment period and the first few games,
Speaker 3: first couple of weeks trying to figure it out. The
Speaker 3: pace of the game is different than college, certainly than
Speaker 3: high school. He's on a year and a half and
Speaker 3: moved from high school, and so to see him perform
Speaker 3: at this level, this was predicted by most that he
Speaker 3: would be somewhat of a superstar, and he's showing it
Speaker 3: right now. How at forty he scored forty at eighteen
Speaker 3: is it's pretty remarkable in the NBA.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited about his future.
Speaker 3: I love his ability to be able to bring the
Speaker 3: ball up and orchestrate the office to a degree and playmate.
Speaker 3: It's going to make him much more dangerous as a player,
Speaker 3: and Jason's using him in the right way.
Speaker 5: How long did it take you during your rookie season
Speaker 5: to feel comfortable playing in NBA games, to know where
Speaker 5: you're going to get your offense, to know how you
Speaker 5: want to score, and to just fit in on an
Speaker 5: NBA court out there? Because Cooper a little bit of
Speaker 5: a slow start, but in the past fifteen games, basically
Speaker 5: he's been playing at an incredible level.
Speaker 2: He has Well, Yeah, I remember I didn't play my
Speaker 2: rookie year.
Speaker 3: Probably I didn't play six games, so I never got
Speaker 3: adjusted to my second year basically in the NBA, so
Speaker 3: it takes time. There's a cadence, there's a rhythm, there's
Speaker 3: a certain speed, and so at my rookie year, I
Speaker 3: learned a lot through our practices and obviously watching during
Speaker 3: the games, just on how guys paced themselves and whatnot.
Speaker 2: So it's a rhythm to it for sure that you
Speaker 2: have to learn.
Speaker 1: Let's get your thoughts on some of the surprising teams
Speaker 1: so far this year. Is there a team or two
Speaker 1: that's really shocked you, maybe heading into the season and
Speaker 1: you thought maybe they're not going to be that good,
Speaker 1: or maybe you thought they were going to be better
Speaker 1: and they've struggled. Is there a team or two to
Speaker 1: you that's like, uh, okay, that's not what I thought.
Speaker 3: I think we all be lying to say we didn't
Speaker 3: think Toronto would be where they are right now in
Speaker 3: the standings. They have certainly played well this year. I
Speaker 3: think health has been a big part of it. It
Speaker 3: has to continue to be a big part of for them.
Speaker 3: But Ingram has played at all star level, Scottie Barnes
Speaker 3: is playing at all star level. They've done a wonderful
Speaker 3: job up in Toronto. So I think Toronto is a
Speaker 3: team that certainly stands out. I think you had to
Speaker 3: look at the Spurs and their acceleration. We knew maybe
Speaker 3: he was going to have a big time year, but
Speaker 3: with the team match what he's done, being able to
Speaker 3: have done in the court. So I think the Spurs
Speaker 3: have done a wonderful job this year so far. There
Speaker 3: to be taking seriously and I don't know if we
Speaker 3: knew that they would be taking so seriously this year.
Speaker 3: Maybe next year, but they certainly have opened up a
Speaker 3: lot of eyes this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, especially the record they had when Wemby was
Speaker 1: out there for a good chunk of time, and I
Speaker 1: think you see the benefit of having like veteran guys, right,
Speaker 1: And I'd love for you to speak to this, like
Speaker 1: Harrison Barnes had some great games and has continued to
Speaker 1: play well all season. Darreon Fox obviously not that old,
Speaker 1: but older on that squad. How important is it to
Speaker 1: have in your experience, just like VET guys to plug
Speaker 1: and play to learn from, especially when you are a
Speaker 1: younger guy in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think vets are essential.
Speaker 3: And when I came in I'm a little bit biased
Speaker 3: to this because when I came into the league, I
Speaker 3: had Lynn Robinson and Sam Cassell, Tim Thomas, ray Allen, obviously,
Speaker 3: Urban Johnson, Lindsay Hunters. These guys shape my career in
Speaker 3: a sense, and when you are with a group of
Speaker 3: great veterans, that can have a huge influence on your
Speaker 3: whole career, how you handle yourself professionally on and off
Speaker 3: the court.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of nuances that comes with being.
Speaker 3: An NBA player, and so it's important to have mentorship
Speaker 3: guys who've been there, have done that at a high
Speaker 3: level around you to help equip you to accelerate your
Speaker 3: growth as well. So I think the Spurs historically have
Speaker 3: done this and they continue to do it.
Speaker 5: Is there a team that catches your eye when you're watching,
Speaker 5: because we can tell you watch a lot of basketball.
Speaker 5: Do you have a favorite league past team, like, is
Speaker 5: it the Bucks having spent a majority of your career there?
Speaker 1: Is it something else?
Speaker 3: Well, I'm always watching the Bucks for sure. Another exciting
Speaker 3: team to watch, or at least player players sixers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I had the pleasure of seeing Tyre's Maxie play against
Speaker 3: the Bucks people see on Milwaukee, and he put on
Speaker 3: an absolute show. And he's a special special talent that
Speaker 3: I love watching play.
Speaker 2: And so they have a great young back.
Speaker 3: Court with s Calm as well back there with him,
Speaker 3: and I think the future is bright with Philly, you know,
Speaker 3: in the midst of all of what they've had to
Speaker 3: deal with the injuries with Paul George and obviously Joel Embiid.
Speaker 3: But but, but Philly is a team in the future
Speaker 3: to look out for with those two in the back court.
Speaker 3: I enjoy watching the Thompson Twins in Detroit and the Houston.
Speaker 3: Their their energy, they're athleticism, they're just fun to watch.
Speaker 3: Destroit has been such a pleasure to watch this year,
Speaker 3: so so proud of their effort this year, and then
Speaker 3: they've grown k Cunningham one of the top five MVP
Speaker 3: candidates arguably in the league this year so far.
Speaker 2: But yeah, those those are the guys that stand out
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 1: When you're watching a game, are you zeroing in on
Speaker 1: things maybe that a casual fan has no idea even
Speaker 1: to watch? You know, is there a particular thing or
Speaker 1: two that you're watching on either the offensive end or
Speaker 1: a defensive end that maybe, again, someone just like doesn't
Speaker 1: watch a lot of basketball, has no idea it's even happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a switch that just won't shut off. I
Speaker 3: try to watch as a fan. Yeah, and I can't
Speaker 3: watch casually a finger. I'm watching the setup of the offense.
Speaker 3: I'm watching how guys are getting open. I'm watching gaps
Speaker 3: in the defense. I'm watching how the defense is playing.
Speaker 2: It's his zone? Is it like an amoeba defense? Is it?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: What kind of flares are they running for the shooters?
Speaker 3: I'm watching all kinds of games within the game, which
Speaker 3: is hard to shut off. But I wish I could
Speaker 3: watch it casually and just be in all And I
Speaker 3: am in all of the athleticism and these younger players.
Speaker 3: But I'm always watching the game within the game, and
Speaker 3: that's how I played.
Speaker 5: Do you miss like the off ball screens, there's not
Speaker 5: nearly as many. You were a guy who used to
Speaker 5: do some damage coming off pin downs or multiple away
Speaker 5: from the play kind of screens clearing some spots for you.
Speaker 5: It's like Duncan Robinson does that now, but kind of rare.
Speaker 2: It is rare. I do miss those days.
Speaker 3: And you don't see a lot of two guards with
Speaker 3: guards posting up like that too as well.
Speaker 2: That's something I missed. I was watching the.
Speaker 3: Game that Milwaukee with Philly Sixers and no one posted
Speaker 3: up from a guard position, and in my era, all
Speaker 3: the two guards posted up and it was a huge
Speaker 3: advantage for us.
Speaker 2: But there's certain aspects of the game that I missed.
Speaker 3: But there's certainly an evolution with all of this space
Speaker 3: and the obviously the importance of the three ball in
Speaker 3: this era.
Speaker 2: It's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I remember last time we had you on again, this
Speaker 1: is twenty seventeen, we were like, how many points would
Speaker 1: you score in today's game? With the amount of three
Speaker 1: point shots that guys are now allowed to get up
Speaker 1: because you despite being a great three point shooter, I
Speaker 1: think you only like you maxed out at like six
Speaker 1: maybe seven, you were flirting with seven three point attempts
Speaker 1: per game. That would be easily like in the like
Speaker 1: ten plus today for a guy like you, not you
Speaker 1: would be putting up, you'd be flirting I think with
Speaker 1: thirty points per game.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's hard to I mean, yeah, yes, I
Speaker 3: mean I wash more threes.
Speaker 2: It's pretty accurate to simulate that.
Speaker 3: What the misnomer with my career is that people know
Speaker 3: me as a three point shooter when I was really
Speaker 3: just a score that happened to learn how.
Speaker 2: To shoot threes. So the floor is so.
Speaker 3: Space now and the bigs not in the paint as
Speaker 3: they used to be. The yao means the Sean Bradley's,
Speaker 3: the the Shaquille O'Neills, the Ben Wallace's, the Rashi Wallace's.
Speaker 3: Those guys are not now outside and so the ability
Speaker 3: to be able to get into the hole and score
Speaker 3: at a high rate is more rev but now and
Speaker 3: then obviously probably shooting between ten to twelve to thirteen
Speaker 3: threes a game would probably be my calling card now,
Speaker 3: So it would be a different dynamic for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mentioned this off the top. You know, you're
Speaker 1: a great follow on Twitter x or whatever we're calling
Speaker 1: it NOWT, But you also do these YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: the latest one is fantastic. It's titled why this game
Speaker 1: meant more than My fifty seven point night? And you're
Speaker 1: breaking down with our g T. Actually the game where
Speaker 1: you scored in the forties, but it was against Kobe,
Speaker 1: and you guys go through it and it is really fun,
Speaker 1: you guys breaking it down. I'll make sure we linked
Speaker 1: to it in the show notes to this, But yeah,
Speaker 1: why why was that one more important to you? Was
Speaker 1: it just who you were going against? In the the
Speaker 1: late great Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 3: You know, for me, it was homage to him as
Speaker 3: much as it was about my my my game and
Speaker 3: my performance.
Speaker 2: He was the pinnacle.
Speaker 3: He was the top dog at that time in our league,
Speaker 3: and to be able to have it a performance like
Speaker 3: that in his house.
Speaker 2: Was was, you know, for me special.
Speaker 3: And he didn't have his typical great game that game either,
Speaker 3: So I was very very proud of the win for one,
Speaker 3: and but more importantly the performance against him, because he's
Speaker 3: the best, he was a standard and to to compete
Speaker 3: at a high level against him, and to perform at
Speaker 3: a high level, it meant the world to mean it
Speaker 3: stands out to me my favorite game.
Speaker 1: There were a couple you know, smaller things from that
Speaker 1: video you brought up that I wanted to get your
Speaker 1: you know, more thoughts on. You said it may be
Speaker 1: more difficult for a shooter to shoot a technical foul
Speaker 1: than a normal free throw, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: I never thought of that, because you know, there's no
Speaker 1: one there. It's just like not routine. You guys are
Speaker 1: mechanics or mechanical with how you approach the free throw line,
Speaker 1: and so I hadn't thought about it until you said
Speaker 1: it on that video where I could see that to
Speaker 1: be true.
Speaker 3: Now I was trying to justify why I missed, whether
Speaker 3: what I said was true or not. You know, I
Speaker 3: think there is acceext to that to sure, having people
Speaker 3: on the line and whatnot, But you shoot the gym
Speaker 3: by yourself all the time for those by yourself, so
Speaker 3: you know, no excuses to ever miss those, really, but
Speaker 3: it is different.
Speaker 2: But I was trying to justify my missing.
Speaker 1: That's great, And you also said in the video how
Speaker 1: large hands are like a cheat code in basketball. And
Speaker 1: again it's like another one of these like observations. We've
Speaker 1: been doing this for a long time, Like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that does make sense where I could see that would
Speaker 1: be an advantage because you had a great finish in
Speaker 1: that game against Kobe and the Lakers. You know, you
Speaker 1: could palm the ball pretty easy and sort of maneuver
Speaker 1: it around the defense.
Speaker 3: Now the caveat with that is that that year we
Speaker 3: had the different ball.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the ball, yeah.
Speaker 3: Synthetic ball, correct, And so there were a lot of
Speaker 3: high scoring games that year with that ball. So I
Speaker 3: think Kobe had eighty one a year. I think Gilbert
Speaker 3: has sixty eight. In lay ball, that ball was really unique.
Speaker 3: I actually missed that ball because it would hang on
Speaker 3: the rim a little bit longer and spin off the
Speaker 3: backboard a little bit different. And so I enjoyed that ball.
Speaker 3: But yeah, certainly hailing the basketball that way. As far
Speaker 3: as palming him, I mean, you saw it throughout the
Speaker 3: history of the game with Connie Hawkins and doctor j
Speaker 3: and obviously Michael Jordan and obviously Dwhy Leonard in recent times,
Speaker 3: the ability to be able to palm the ball gave
Speaker 3: you such a huge advantage because the defense was always
Speaker 3: cut off guard on where you want to go, so
Speaker 3: you had the ability to manipulate the defense by palming
Speaker 3: the ball and then finishing at the rim too. With
Speaker 3: bigger hands, you can do it much more easily.
Speaker 6: It is fun just listening to you in retrospect of
Speaker 6: your career, what do you make of players podcasting now
Speaker 6: in their current situation? Would you be able to podcast
Speaker 6: as an NBA player? Would you be able to do that?
Speaker 6: What would you even talk about? What would your pop
Speaker 6: be about?
Speaker 2: I think yeah, I think I would. I think it's
Speaker 2: just the time, right, It's just the time. You know.
Speaker 3: The grave mistake that we as for players do is
Speaker 3: we kind of stimulate what we would do in today's
Speaker 3: time when we didn't have social media. We didn't have
Speaker 3: the notion of a podcast, we didn't have apps, we
Speaker 3: didn't have iPhones, we had Blackberries and you know Next Hills.
Speaker 1: You know, we had Next So.
Speaker 3: We didn't have with these kids at today at our disposal,
Speaker 3: and the notion of a brand wasn't as prevalent or
Speaker 3: as important to us at the time. So with the
Speaker 3: avid of social media, obviously in the ability to touch
Speaker 3: billions of people around the world and now thinking of
Speaker 3: yourself as a brand and and all the opportunities off
Speaker 3: the court beyond point. Could it serve as a distraction,
Speaker 3: Sure it can, but I think at the same time,
Speaker 3: why not take advantage of it and why not monetize
Speaker 3: off of it.
Speaker 1: One of your takes on X was a fun comparison
Speaker 1: about Kate Cunningham and you saw similarities to Brandon Roy
Speaker 1: and his game, and we talked about it here on
Speaker 1: the show. I'm curious which player in today's game reminds
Speaker 1: you most of yourself? Is there is there a comp
Speaker 1: in today's NBA that you're like, Okay, I see some
Speaker 1: Michael Redding his game.
Speaker 2: I think Chris Littleton comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the jersey number shut the right heads you know
Speaker 3: today it's Chris has had an incredible career, obviously with
Speaker 3: the Milwaukee Buds for most of it, not with Washington,
Speaker 3: but I think Chris comes to mind. I think when
Speaker 3: you think of maybe you have a Desmond Bine okay, okay, strong,
Speaker 3: powerful body that can score in a variety of ways.
Speaker 3: I was unique because I was left handed too, so
Speaker 3: so it's it's not one for one per se, but
Speaker 3: I think those are the guys that come to mind.
Speaker 3: I don't know that Bradley Bill fits that in that
Speaker 3: category his prime, but Chris Middleton and Desmond Baine probably
Speaker 3: come to mind.
Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 5: You mentioned being left handed. You said you like Jalen
Speaker 5: Brunson because he's left handed. What makes every single lefty
Speaker 5: smooth out on the basketball court. There's like no klucky
Speaker 5: lefties that have ever played in the NBA.
Speaker 3: Chris Marlin was smooth, lamar Odin was smooth exactly, Genobili
Speaker 3: was smooth.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's so many been, so many great left handed
Speaker 3: David Robinson, so many great left handed players over the years.
Speaker 2: James Harden comes to mind.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's there's not too many of us,
Speaker 3: for one, and most of those players I mention, and
Speaker 3: we're ambidextrious in a sense. I know for me, the
Speaker 3: scouting import was to send me right. Well, I love
Speaker 3: to go right and finish right, and when they cut
Speaker 3: that off, they went they took me in front of
Speaker 3: me to.
Speaker 2: My left hand.
Speaker 3: So the ability to be able to be ambidextrious and
Speaker 3: to go both ways really confuses the deference. And so
Speaker 3: some of the some of the great left handed players
Speaker 3: were so unique in how they played. I shot the
Speaker 3: ball differently the most with my form and quick release,
Speaker 3: and uh, the ability to go left really through a
Speaker 3: lot of defenders off because they're so used to guarding
Speaker 3: right handed players and the angles are different.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was. It was a huge advantage for
Speaker 2: me in my career. For sure.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought up your unique form because we
Speaker 1: had some fans of ours asking when they knew you
Speaker 1: were coming on the show, asked Mike if were there
Speaker 1: ever coaches in your development over your basketball career that
Speaker 1: were trying to change your shot and your form and
Speaker 1: your release and all of that, because like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: not how you do it. Does that happen?
Speaker 3: It was one coach in particularly that tinker with it,
Speaker 3: try to tinker with it.
Speaker 2: That's it throughout high school and through college and the pros.
Speaker 3: Not really, but there was one coach he said, hey,
Speaker 3: maybe you need to, you know, switch it up a
Speaker 3: little bit, but he kept hearing the net pop pop,
Speaker 3: So there's no.
Speaker 2: Need to change it if the ball is going in
Speaker 2: the hole.
Speaker 3: And uh, respectfully, so sometimes you can get caught up
Speaker 3: into the beauty of the form of a Ray.
Speaker 2: All and play Thompson.
Speaker 3: Uh, but Step shoots completely different than both of those
Speaker 3: Reggie right, and the ball goes in. So I measured
Speaker 3: a great shooting by the quality and quantity of how
Speaker 3: much it goes in.
Speaker 6: What would that coach try and tinker with What would
Speaker 6: he try to actually do with your grateful I.
Speaker 2: Think he was looking. He was admiring Ray's form.
Speaker 3: This is early in my career, and there is a
Speaker 3: natural proclivity to want to compare me to Ray Allen
Speaker 3: in the sense of his form. We were teammates, obviously
Speaker 3: early in my career, and it was the natural probably
Speaker 3: thing to do. But the ball kept going in, and
Speaker 3: you know the ball is going in, you do not
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 2: Mess with it.
Speaker 3: So obviously, being a top five scorer, top ten scoring
Speaker 3: NBA for a chunk of my career, there was no
Speaker 3: need to mess with it.
Speaker 1: One thing I have now realized when I introduced you,
Speaker 1: I should have said Hall of Famer Michael Right as well,
Speaker 1: because you are part of the redeemed team in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Congrats on that. Do you have Do
Speaker 1: you have any you know, memorable encounters in the Olympic
Speaker 1: village of your time at the Olympics that jump out
Speaker 1: to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we all had a healthy dynam McDonald's.
Speaker 2: And this is all of us.
Speaker 3: I'm talk about Roger Federer and Nadall and Phelps and
Speaker 3: Hussein Bowl and we would all hang out in the
Speaker 3: village together and Serena and Venus and it was a
Speaker 3: really incredible, incredible group that year. And then, uh, Kobe
Speaker 3: and I engaged in Papa Shot, and uh it's been
Speaker 3: widespread and known, Chris Bosh put it out a number
Speaker 3: of years ago, and uh, but yeah, it was. It
Speaker 3: was the epic battle between Kobe and I and and
Speaker 3: two competitors. Was drew us to our relationship. We had
Speaker 3: not a public relationship, but ours is more private. And uh,
Speaker 3: it just had a fun night of just going at
Speaker 3: it for I don't know, three four hours of Papa Shot.
Speaker 2: It was wild.
Speaker 3: It was the team had left, we had had dinner
Speaker 3: or what have you, and hung out and then him
Speaker 3: and I had just started engaging. And then two hours
Speaker 3: later Chris Bosh comes back and me and Kobe a sweaty,
Speaker 3: we're all at it.
Speaker 2: He's like, are these guys still playing?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, we're still playing, And uh, and he left
Speaker 3: and we and we were just drenched and and just
Speaker 3: laughed and had an incredible time. I think about the
Speaker 3: the the members, with those guys being together at the
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame was such an nostalgic moment for all
Speaker 3: of us, and all of us are in our forties
Speaker 3: now and have kids and that are grown and and
Speaker 3: doing well. So it was it was wonderful to be
Speaker 3: with all of us together again. Obviously bitterstreet that Kobe
Speaker 3: wasn't there, but it was an incredible night together and
Speaker 3: something I'll never forget.
Speaker 1: Did you have any favorite Olympic sports that you got
Speaker 1: to witness firsthand when you were there that you went
Speaker 1: and checked out?
Speaker 3: Wow, swimming to see Phelps swim was was pretty pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: And table tennis, right, I mean extraordinary, Probably the most
Speaker 3: popular sport at the time over in Beijing when we
Speaker 3: were there, Sure was table tennis, and these athletes were
Speaker 3: just incredible. Beach volleyball it was incredible as well, and
Speaker 3: so we tried to do our best to support our
Speaker 3: other sports as best we could.
Speaker 1: A couple more before we let you go in again,
Speaker 1: we had some people ask a few questions. I love
Speaker 1: this one from Devin Landry, any good Steve Nash stories
Speaker 1: for us, because you did play with Steve at the
Speaker 1: end of your career. I guess that was your final
Speaker 1: year there right in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: It was such a treat in him and I would
Speaker 3: talk all the time, like what if this would have
Speaker 3: happened ten years ago, ten years.
Speaker 2: Earlier, or five years earlier, twelve. You know, we had
Speaker 2: those conversations a lot.
Speaker 3: Steve was one of the best teammates I've ever had,
Speaker 3: and just as nice as he comes across welcoming to
Speaker 3: mi disrespect for each other. We had played against each
Speaker 3: other for many years, and to finally have played with
Speaker 3: a quality and caliber point guard that he was was
Speaker 3: like a dream from true and I had a blast
Speaker 3: my last year in Phoenix. He made me feel welcomed
Speaker 3: and we had wonderful conversations, and whenever I see him
Speaker 3: to this day, we hug each other and just have
Speaker 3: a mutual respect for each other.
Speaker 1: Before we let you go, I know you're not a
Speaker 1: hot take artist guy by any means, and we're not
Speaker 1: asking for that, not looking for that, but we'd be
Speaker 1: remiss if we didn't ask you for your thoughts, your
Speaker 1: opinions on the yawnest situation in Milwaukee where you are
Speaker 1: udging with the Bucks and how that's going out, how
Speaker 1: you think it'll play out. You know, the obviously the
Speaker 1: rampant trade rumors and all that. What's Michael Red's take
Speaker 1: on the Honest and Buck situation.
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't. I really don't know.
Speaker 3: I wish I would, I wish I did know, But
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's going to do or what
Speaker 3: the team's going to do. This is his thirteenth season.
Speaker 3: I'm a stickler for being with the franchise your whole career.
Speaker 2: Type of guy. I wanted to play my last year in.
Speaker 3: Phoenix to to to prove that I can come back
Speaker 3: from to a CLSA and perform at a high level.
Speaker 2: That was for me.
Speaker 3: But but I think I think he has the opportunity
Speaker 3: to be a lifer in Milwaukee.
Speaker 2: And when you look at the.
Speaker 3: Great players stout the history of the game, the Dirks,
Speaker 3: certainly Kobe, you look at Reggie Miller, you look at
Speaker 3: certain players like that Stockton who stayed with their teams
Speaker 3: throughout their whole career. Something to be said about that.
Speaker 3: So I'm a big fan of him. Sticking to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3: Milwaukee is a great city, a great fan base. They
Speaker 3: will love you to life. Haven't been there for eleven years.
Speaker 3: I kind of grew up there myself, similar to honest
Speaker 3: kind of grew up there. But but he's got it
Speaker 3: made there and and so if he wants to leave,
Speaker 3: that's his choice, or if the team wants to trade,
Speaker 3: and that's their choice. But I think being there is special.
Speaker 3: And yes it's a small market, but I think the
Speaker 3: lasting legacy with the fan base in Milwaukee will never
Speaker 3: ever go away.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always been adamant that he's not going anywhere
Speaker 6: this season. He's said it many a times. I've also
Speaker 6: been adamant about talking about analysis because I get fed
Speaker 6: those podcast clips and I know you've been on Fanalysis before.
Speaker 6: If they did you, okay, I'll ask you. Did you
Speaker 6: like being on the show? Was it a fun time?
Speaker 2: Yeah? It was great. We laughed.
Speaker 3: The interview was really long then we cut it up
Speaker 3: a ton, but we just had a wonderful time. And
Speaker 3: it was the first time that we had a chance
Speaker 3: to talk about, you know, my time here, you know,
Speaker 3: right before the era of Giannis and and and all
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 2: I was that era before them, So they I think
Speaker 2: took the time to nasal, took time to kind of
Speaker 2: learn about my journey in Milwaukee. Now.
Speaker 6: Sannasis is also not a hot take guy. I don't
Speaker 6: know if he would even have a podcast if his
Speaker 6: brother got traded. But if he asked you to be
Speaker 6: on the show, then would you come on?
Speaker 3: Of course? Yeah, of course, of course. He's fun man.
Speaker 3: He's a great person. He's fun and and so for
Speaker 3: me being with him was who We looked at our
Speaker 3: phones and our watchers were like, this has been three
Speaker 3: hours and like how did that happen? So just he
Speaker 3: just laughed old time and and uh, he's very knowledgeable
Speaker 3: at the game.
Speaker 2: And uh but we had a we had.
Speaker 6: A ball, yes, respect to that, because I know people
Speaker 6: are always on me, Oh that's not that show. I
Speaker 6: don't even see that show. But now we've got Michael,
Speaker 6: I've given it the approval.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 5: Did you have like like a Thanasis character during your
Speaker 5: NBA career who was like a good vibes guy who
Speaker 5: just loved having around?
Speaker 3: Wow, that's a great he's unique. You know, he's the
Speaker 3: modern day mL car right Celtics. All Right, So I
Speaker 3: don't remember having a guy of that elk throughout my
Speaker 3: tenure in Milwaukee. We had guys that were supportive, and
Speaker 3: we had great teammates for sure, But like his passion
Speaker 3: and his energy every game, every game, I don't think
Speaker 3: I've ever seen it before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, contagious. Who was the funniest guy you ever played with?
Speaker 1: Either on Milwaukee or he had some characters. I was
Speaker 1: looking at that roster when you did play with Nash
Speaker 1: in the Suns, like oh, Ro Lopez on that team,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's a character.
Speaker 3: So many, so many, so many funny guys. Lebron's one
Speaker 3: of the funniest.
Speaker 2: You know that.
Speaker 3: My time with him during the Olympics really okay, Oh,
Speaker 3: Lebron's hilarious.
Speaker 2: It's NonStop comedy.
Speaker 3: And obviously he was younger than he was twenty three
Speaker 3: at the time, so just full of life and and
Speaker 3: and vigor.
Speaker 2: But still he's still funny when you're around him.
Speaker 3: I saw him at the Hall of Fame and we
Speaker 3: were laughing about an inside joke about our hair.
Speaker 2: But we we but he is he is. He is
Speaker 2: one of the funniest people that I've ever encountered.
Speaker 3: Uh in basketball, Uh and and there's some design.
Speaker 2: Mason's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so many, so many, so many years with
Speaker 3: him with the Bucks. We would laugh all the time.
Speaker 3: And uh we still talked to this dance my brother.
Speaker 3: But there's been some characters, Irb Johnson, Irban Johnson was hilarious,
Speaker 3: So many great characters throughout the years.
Speaker 2: Eric Strickland comes to mind.
Speaker 3: Uh, just a lot of great, great teammates I have
Speaker 3: not played, but on the Lipper team, I think Lebron
Speaker 3: stood out the most.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Well, look, we're not gonna keep you three
Speaker 1: hours like this is the Elisara, Mike, appreciate you so
Speaker 1: much for jumping on. Hopefully we can do this again
Speaker 1: in the future. Again, I'm gonna recommend everyone check out
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel. We'll make sure a link to that.
Speaker 1: Follow red on X. Are you on all the You're
Speaker 1: on Instagram for sure as well, you guys posting sut there,
Speaker 1: So thank you man, really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate you guys having me. Always going to
Speaker 3: be with you guys, and good to see you again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's make sure it's not another eight years until
Speaker 1: as we talked about, Okay, we try and get shot
Speaker 1: later this year or something like that. Take care of it,
Speaker 1: all right, Michael Red. Everybody hit the like button, subscribe
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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and then we'll get
Speaker 1: into some of last night's games.
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Speaker 1: Okay, few great games last night to dive into here.
Speaker 1: Let's start with Jokic getting his twelfth triple double of
Speaker 1: the season to lead the Nuggets to the one twenty
Speaker 1: eight one five overtime win over the Rockets. Now email Yudoka.
Speaker 1: He had some things to say after this game. I
Speaker 1: believe he's gonna get fined. He was very critical of
Speaker 1: the officiating. He said, quote the most poorly officiated game
Speaker 1: I've seen in a long time. Then he said two
Speaker 1: officials have no business being out there. And crew chief
Speaker 1: Zack Zarba, who he was alluding to specific huh, Zach
Speaker 1: Zarba was acting starstruck. You're seeing all kinds of inconsistent calls,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure we would have gotten a few more
Speaker 1: texts anyway. He was upsets, but particularly Trey I think
Speaker 1: about on then Thompson getting called for a trip on
Speaker 1: Tim Hardaway Junior right at the end of regulation that
Speaker 1: then got Jamal Murray to the line from the player
Speaker 1: to tie it up. Yeah, and they looked at it
Speaker 1: and they said, ah, nah, you tripped them, but that
Speaker 1: one got him heated. There are a couple other ones,
Speaker 1: of course, but your takeaways from Nuggets Rockets, which was
Speaker 1: really awesome.
Speaker 5: This is prime hoops season. I know it was on Peacock,
Speaker 5: but this was prime hoops early season. You get some
Speaker 5: mirages late season. We call it Mickey mouse March for
Speaker 5: a reason. But like December January once we played like
Speaker 5: twenty games, even though the Nuggets are like super banged up, like,
Speaker 5: we're getting great performances. That's why we had two great
Speaker 5: games last night. We've had two Game of the Year candidates.
Speaker 5: If you ask me this week, between the Spurs Thunder
Speaker 5: game and then what happened last night, you could just
Speaker 5: tell both these teams really wanted. This game felt like
Speaker 5: a measuring stick game between the two of them.
Speaker 1: Jokic came out aggressive. He was complaining to.
Speaker 5: The refs all night and felt like as well. The
Speaker 5: way the Rockets were defending him was pretty interesting. Like
Speaker 5: start letting him go to work down low, he turns
Speaker 5: into a scorer, and then they sent help right at
Speaker 5: the very last second. Kevin Durant five blocks last night,
Speaker 5: It's just a fun game to watch. I love the
Speaker 5: post moves or cool kind of game. Jokic and sheng
Speaker 5: Gun going at each other, bumping and grinding. Shnggun hits
Speaker 5: the lefty hook over Spencer Jones there with two seconds left.
Speaker 5: This was just an awesome game to watch front to
Speaker 5: back and to have it go into overtime. You never
Speaker 5: know what's gonna happen in overtime. But a great win
Speaker 5: for the Nuggets. I thought they had some really cool performances.
Speaker 5: They are so banged up right now. They lost Peyton
Speaker 5: Watson in this game. The old trunk contusion. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's a rare injury when the guy the
Speaker 5: guys on the broadcaster are like, what does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know what a right trunk is?
Speaker 4: That is just this butt I mean his glute.
Speaker 1: I mean more like he took like a nasty I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I think upper body for trunk
Speaker 1: from myself, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Nonetheless, they're missing a lot of guys. I run Christian
Speaker 5: Brown out, Aaron Gordon. Now they lost Watson as well.
Speaker 5: Spencer Jones hit like a huge shot in the last
Speaker 5: two minutes of regulation.
Speaker 1: Just fun to watch.
Speaker 5: So this is a potential playoff matchup, Like these two
Speaker 5: teams could easily finish the season two and three in
Speaker 5: the Western Conference and that would be must watch TV
Speaker 5: because it was last night.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Spencer Jones splashing and that was right after Reed
Speaker 6: Shepherd did it off the bounce with a huge three
Speaker 6: and then Durant on the other side. They were just
Speaker 6: going back and forth. That was super fun.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the shot making was huge on them.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 6: And then it goes to that two second left call
Speaker 6: where Tim Hardaway was air quotes tripped. I mean, it
Speaker 6: was one of those plays where a guy almost like
Speaker 6: a guard bringing up a ball where he slows down
Speaker 6: to the guy behind him. Tim hartiway just kind of
Speaker 6: slowed down and then Thompson kind of hit him.
Speaker 4: But it'd be difficult to call.
Speaker 6: It'd be difficult to overturn though after you call it
Speaker 6: because he was bumped.
Speaker 4: But it didn't look like a fel to me.
Speaker 6: It just happened to hit him and he happened to
Speaker 6: follow That one point was key, but it was fun
Speaker 6: going back and forth. This Nugets team, as you said,
Speaker 6: no Aaron Gordon, no Christian Brown, and they lose Payne
Speaker 6: Watson in the first half, and they still get there
Speaker 6: with Spencer Jones playing forty one minutes, Jokic fouls out,
Speaker 6: fell In Chunis fouls out and they get a win.
Speaker 6: This was a blow for blow battle. It felt like
Speaker 6: a playoff game. It felt like a second round series.
Speaker 6: I'm already thinking this is the second round series and
Speaker 6: that one of these teams plays okay see. But if
Speaker 6: Jokic is there against Okac in a conference finals, I
Speaker 6: would find it hard to bet against him or not
Speaker 6: be surprised even if you take okay see win. The
Speaker 6: Nuggets get it done because it's number one, it's the
Speaker 6: Okich and the number two is Jamal Murray, who looks
Speaker 6: different this year because he's obviously playing great, but he
Speaker 6: all so doesn't wait anymore. He used to as you
Speaker 6: get into your pick and roll with k or you
Speaker 6: get the ball up top, he used to kind of evaluate,
Speaker 6: and now he's just go to He looks like a
Speaker 6: different player, and so is he an I'll start, of course,
Speaker 6: is he an all NBA player? I think there's an
Speaker 6: argument for that that he could be a top six
Speaker 6: card because of how he's bawling, so how they got
Speaker 6: there man.
Speaker 4: To the end of this game.
Speaker 6: Vince Carter was on the broadcast on Peacock and said,
Speaker 6: this feels like Game three of the playoffs. I said
Speaker 6: game games three specifically. I've never heard someone say that.
Speaker 6: I don't know what Game three of the Playoffs really
Speaker 6: feels like. I guess it's like, Okay, you felt each
Speaker 6: other out for two games, now this one's really important.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Either way? It was wild. Does he Durant block in
Speaker 4: theo kitchen that fourth quarter? Over and over and over?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Five blocks.
Speaker 1: It was a fun game. My only thing was I
Speaker 1: was a little bummed by the Rockets like play call
Speaker 1: at the end of overtime because we've talked before about
Speaker 1: sort of cool like Sheng Goon is like their go
Speaker 1: to guy, and that's fair. Guy's an all star, guy's
Speaker 1: all NBA. I get it. But they're down three. I'm like,
Speaker 1: instead of Shanngguon forcing a three point attempt where he
Speaker 1: like goes out to the three point line and chucked
Speaker 1: it up and wasn't even close, I'd prefer to see
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant to rise up over any defense you're gonna
Speaker 1: throw out him to get a better look in my
Speaker 1: opinion to potentially tie the game in overtime. I heard
Speaker 1: my one thing. I was like, okay, that one, I
Speaker 1: think we go to Katie. But otherwise the one that
Speaker 1: you said, that little hook one where he put Jones
Speaker 1: in the basketball, that was I mean, he's done that
Speaker 1: all season long, or.
Speaker 6: Jabarry Smith even Yeah, you could hear Vince Carter was saying,
Speaker 6: why are they He kind of because Vince Carter, he say,
Speaker 6: plays a safe He almost said get j Barry Smith
Speaker 6: the ball, likes get somebody else the ball when they
Speaker 6: went to Shangdun there.
Speaker 5: I think I counted it right, but I think Kevin
Speaker 5: Durant only took three shots in the last twelve minutes
Speaker 5: of this game, including overtime. They were a little bit
Speaker 5: too tilted towards Shng Guon. I thought though he was
Speaker 5: pretty effective as well, and part of the way that
Speaker 5: Kevin Durant gets defended as a defender sticks to him
Speaker 5: and is not going to give any sort of help.
Speaker 5: So it helps the Rockets for sure, But there are
Speaker 5: ways to keep him involved because he does need to
Speaker 5: take some of these shots. Yeah, because that makes things
Speaker 5: even easier for Shangun as well. Thought it was also
Speaker 5: pretty interesting that when Josha Kogi was on the court,
Speaker 5: the Nuggets went to his zone and it worked pretty well.
Speaker 5: All Kogi had a good game, but you want those
Speaker 5: possessions to end up going to a Koji. They tried
Speaker 5: the zone some when Reed Shepherd and Aaron Holliday were
Speaker 5: on the court, and it didn't work because those guys
Speaker 5: can shoot threes.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I loved seeing Reed Shepherd continue to shoot, even though
Speaker 6: he didn't have a good shooting a lot last night.
Speaker 6: As five to seventeen, I think, yes, it wasn't hot,
Speaker 6: but that.
Speaker 4: Three was huge. He just kept firing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a really fun game there. Make sure you
Speaker 1: go check out at least the extended highlights on the
Speaker 1: NBA YouTube page if you didn't watch that one on
Speaker 1: the CACK.
Speaker 5: My only complaint with this is I don't like the
Speaker 5: way Kevin Durant's number looks like on those H Town jerseys.
Speaker 1: It's like a seven and it almost looks like a
Speaker 1: question mark. It's too blocky, two blocky, way too block
Speaker 1: Do you like those jerseys in general? I don't think so. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I do.
Speaker 5: I definitely didn't like him on the Nuggets court. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the Nuggets have such a minimalist court with a kind
Speaker 5: of a lightwood, very washed out look.
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, they look better on the rocket Man
Speaker 1: or the Spaceman, you know, city edition court. I guess
Speaker 1: that they can sort of pair with. I don't love
Speaker 1: the h town. I sort of wish it, said Houston said,
Speaker 1: But anyway, we're nitpicking.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, just quickly on josh Koji not getting it
Speaker 6: done shooting the ball. I wonder about the Houston Rockets
Speaker 6: depth when Tar Easton comes back and who's playing like
Speaker 6: they are missing guys while on the other side you
Speaker 6: see Jonas Valentiunis. I thought was really key in the
Speaker 6: second quarter when it seemed like Houston was pulling away,
Speaker 6: here comes Yonas Valentiunis. Bang bang bang. You had six
Speaker 6: points there in the second quarter that were important. You
Speaker 6: only had eight points in this game, but little runs.
Speaker 6: So the Nuggets depth coming through again with so many
Speaker 6: freaking guys missing. But it also helps when Jamal Murray
Speaker 6: is just literally almost fifty forty ninety now at this
Speaker 6: point of the season. You don't fifty forty five. Excuse me,
Speaker 6: excuse me, that's disrespect to Jamal Murray, it's fifty nearly
Speaker 6: forty five and nearly ninety percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is incredible.
Speaker 1: The other game last night on Peacock, the first one
Speaker 1: the Pistons versus the Celtics, very entertaining as well. Kate
Speaker 1: Cunningham once again amazing all game in the clutch, thirty
Speaker 1: two points, ten boards TK as the Pistons beat the
Speaker 1: Celtics one twelve.
Speaker 5: This was kind of like NBA Cup semi finals where
Speaker 5: the Eastern Conference game the Knicks versus the Magic was
Speaker 5: awesome and then we had a way better game later
Speaker 5: and the night because this was a great game, but
Speaker 5: unfortunately this is the JV Conference once again, a good
Speaker 5: measuring stick game. Celtics have been playing great. They've been
Speaker 5: one of the hottest teams in the league. Meanwhile, Detroit
Speaker 5: has been at the top of the Eastern Conference from
Speaker 5: quite some for quite some time. Here at the start
Speaker 5: of the season, I thought there was great intensity on
Speaker 5: both sides, multiple technical fouls. You got Jalen Brown and
Speaker 5: Kate Cunningham going head to head like who's the best
Speaker 5: guard out here in the East. That was awesome to watch.
Speaker 5: The key moments to me though, in the fourth quarter,
Speaker 5: Detroit is up ninety six to ninety two. Kate Cunningham
Speaker 5: subs out, who's going to score for Detroit? It was
Speaker 5: a Carris Lavert leup. Then Javonte Green hit a three.
Speaker 5: Then Javonte Green made a nice steal and had a
Speaker 5: monster dunk. There's five Javantes out there. Cad checks back
Speaker 5: in a seven point lead, like you're happy to add
Speaker 5: to the lead in that scenario, you're happy to keep
Speaker 5: the score the same, sure, So to stretch it out
Speaker 5: was pretty sweet. And then Kate, because he's a clutch dude,
Speaker 5: he went smooth operator mode. He had Austin Rivers singing
Speaker 5: on the broadcast. Hit two clutch jumpers from the mid range.
Speaker 5: The second one was nasty off the spin even shut
Speaker 5: up Austin Rivers. That was impressive. Detroit is now fourteen
Speaker 5: and four in clutch games this season. It's because Kate
Speaker 5: takes over.
Speaker 6: No doubt, if Austin Rivers singing, Robbie Hummel's got to
Speaker 6: be humming alongside. Because I thought it was good. And
Speaker 6: I know we've questioned guys sitting right at the bench
Speaker 6: and whether.
Speaker 4: It's good, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's.
Speaker 6: Working on me. It's sort of aged properly. It's aged twell,
Speaker 6: I guess I should say it's I think they're good,
Speaker 6: those three.
Speaker 1: They have great energy. There's some jokes. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: obviously I don't know. Maybe they're helped out by sitting
Speaker 1: right there on the bench or the court side. They're
Speaker 1: into the game. I don't know what it is, but
Speaker 1: I don't mind it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they're pretty good with their energy.
Speaker 6: You'd think they're like right beside each other, talking right
Speaker 6: beside you, but they talk back and forth.
Speaker 4: They say, isn't that right, Austin, isn't that right Robbie.
Speaker 1: They are have to do a lot of fun naming
Speaker 1: each other because I do feel like they're always talking. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they do.
Speaker 2: They do.
Speaker 4: No Eagle didn't give them.
Speaker 1: There's never there's never any airtime. Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: part of that is the makeup of where they're sitting.
Speaker 1: I think when you're all sitting together, it's maybe like
Speaker 1: you're just letting the play by play guy sort of
Speaker 1: handle it. There's a little more breathing like, Yeah, But
Speaker 1: because of where they are located, I think there is
Speaker 1: that they want us. Somebody's always wants to be talking
Speaker 1: and making a point. I'm with you on that, but
Speaker 1: at least they're trying.
Speaker 6: They went on they're trying things. The Celtics are trying things.
Speaker 6: Throwing the zone at the pistons and worked. In the
Speaker 6: second quarter, they were just saying, all right, three point shooters,
Speaker 6: figure it out, and they got up. But they pulled
Speaker 6: that out in the fourth quarter again with Kate Cunningham
Speaker 6: off the bench and Carri Slivert was phenomenal with that
Speaker 6: take to the rim, then that Javonte Green three, and
Speaker 6: then that j n Ivy block of Jalen Brown literally
Speaker 6: guarding him all the way into the paint and blocked him.
Speaker 6: And then that's what led to the Javonte Green smasher.
Speaker 6: To see the depth of those guys huge. That was huge.
Speaker 6: That's gonna be the dunk of his career. I don't know,
Speaker 6: I'm assuming, but it just feels like that's.
Speaker 1: He's a sneaky athletic guy. Like he sort of like
Speaker 1: shocks me when he like throws something down like that.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't appear to have, yeah, his game. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's those giant, you know, sleeves he's.
Speaker 6: Wearing, but I guess he did have some good ones
Speaker 6: with the Bulls because they also said I think it
Speaker 6: was Austome Maeves and Robbi Hummel said, this feels like
Speaker 6: the Bulls days when he did smash it. But they
Speaker 6: got the depth to perform in this particular game, while
Speaker 6: the Celtics.
Speaker 4: Obviously did not.
Speaker 6: They were looking for somebody to help out Jaylen Brown,
Speaker 6: who was freaking phenomenal.
Speaker 4: He just looks so good.
Speaker 6: This is the best Jalen Brown, I think season of
Speaker 6: his career. And then Derek White was helping out, but
Speaker 6: they needed somebody. The three point shots were just struggling.
Speaker 6: Sam Houserd did leave this game with an ankle sprain,
Speaker 6: so that hurt but might not. Shireman Simon's just couldn't
Speaker 6: find a shot. So they were just relying on Brown,
Speaker 6: who played every third quarter minute and then they had
Speaker 6: to send him a little bit in the fourth just
Speaker 6: to get him a breath, but he came out and
Speaker 6: he didn't have it, and Derek quite slowed down at
Speaker 6: some point. It wasn't Peyton Pritchard's night. They needed somebody,
Speaker 6: while the Pistons got the depth because this they did
Speaker 6: feel like a playoff game.
Speaker 1: The Pistons. They play so hard, those guys and the
Speaker 1: Celtics guys, like all those guys who went through like
Speaker 1: they were playing hard. That's what made it a very
Speaker 1: fun competitive game. I'd like, I am becoming more and
Speaker 1: more convinced about the Pistons. More I watch I'm like, oh, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: you know, I know this is like, it's it's very
Speaker 1: rare for a team to like just go from not
Speaker 1: winning a playoff series to like going far, like let's
Speaker 1: say at conference finals. It's rare. You usually gotta you know,
Speaker 1: take your lumps, right, lose a first round, losing a
Speaker 1: second whatever. But man, the more I watch them, yeah,
Speaker 1: and the cad factor of it at all, Like you
Speaker 1: guys fight your ass off and then we got Kate
Speaker 1: Cunningham to close. You know, can you replicate it in
Speaker 1: some of these series. They put up a great fight
Speaker 1: against the Knicks in the first round last year, so
Speaker 1: you know, I'm believing. Dan Devine tweeted last night watching it,
Speaker 1: Jade and Ivy's just like how he's been sitting down
Speaker 1: and guarding in the second half. I thought it was
Speaker 1: a great point. I was jumping off the screen to
Speaker 1: me as well, because he was. He was really locked in.
Speaker 1: I don't think of him as like a guy, like
Speaker 1: defensive minded guy. But he's moving his feet well, forcing
Speaker 1: tough shots even if he was getting scored on, really
Speaker 1: putting in the effort. And yeah, my only other note
Speaker 1: from this game is it's a very minor like geeky
Speaker 1: yell admit note, But like kid Cunningham is so good
Speaker 1: at getting off the ball and like timing a fast break.
Speaker 1: And it's like one of my biggest pepe he watching
Speaker 1: any level of basketball, like a two on one fast break,
Speaker 1: a three on two. A guy that just holds onto
Speaker 1: the ball a beat longer than he needs to, doesn't
Speaker 1: make the pass over to the wing, kick ahead, whatever.
Speaker 1: It just drives me nuts, Like the ball is always
Speaker 1: gonna be faster. Move it to your guys that you
Speaker 1: should trust. Kay, never is an issue with that. I
Speaker 1: love it the ball quickly. He gets with the ball
Speaker 1: so quickly he times them. They're always in the like
Speaker 1: in the in the perfect spot for a lot of
Speaker 1: his guys. He's damn good guys leveled up so much.
Speaker 1: It's fun to watch.
Speaker 5: My last two things are with regards to Ivy. He
Speaker 5: was playing good defense, there's no doubt about it. But
Speaker 5: he was basically only able to score in transition. And
Speaker 5: they already have Ron Holland they got a guy who
Speaker 5: can score and transition and play defense. They need Ivy
Speaker 5: to be better in half court scenarios. He's shooting under
Speaker 5: forty percent at the rim. He just I don't know.
Speaker 5: He doesn't seem to have any sort of craft in
Speaker 5: when a defense is set, which is why he's a
Speaker 5: better transition player. So I would like to see that
Speaker 5: improve because I do think they need a secondary creator
Speaker 5: when it comes to playoff time, because that's just going
Speaker 5: to be so much on kid's shoulders and that's a
Speaker 5: bigger ask in a seven game series than it is
Speaker 5: night to night. The second thing was I thought Duran
Speaker 5: looked like the lights were too bright last night. He
Speaker 5: got completely outplayed by Cada. Only three rebounds on the
Speaker 5: night for Duran. They can't have that. He's got to
Speaker 5: be their second best player if they're going to go
Speaker 5: anywhere in the.
Speaker 1: Eastern Extremely quiet night for Joe and Durham last night,
Speaker 1: dropping the ball all over the place. He was just
Speaker 1: out there to screen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, best screen assists were probably his best performative factor
Speaker 6: last night. I mean, the big, big screens help each
Speaker 6: other up. But yeah, iv is lacking a little bit
Speaker 6: offensively as well. And that's why Missoula said, let everybody shoot.
Speaker 6: It was Holland and it was Jade and Ivy, and
Speaker 6: so it makes sense, so let them open. But Holland
Speaker 6: contributed enough and j and Ivy, yeah, he he made shots.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's just only having played for
Speaker 6: a few weeks, but he wasn't completely himself. Yeah, he
Speaker 6: needs to get better.
Speaker 5: I just think if it's year four for him, and
Speaker 5: part of it has been injuries for sure, But if
Speaker 5: it comes down to are we putting Ivy in a
Speaker 5: trade and that's the thing that'll get it done, they
Speaker 5: shouldn't hesitate to put it.
Speaker 6: It's a little like Jailing Green. It feels a little
Speaker 6: Jailing Green esque to some degree, like you got the
Speaker 6: best athlete out there, an incredible athlete, but if he's
Speaker 6: not producing day in and day out, maybe move on.
Speaker 6: If there is another package, because as you said, or
Speaker 6: another superstar to be able to get because as you
Speaker 6: said about Detroit in the playoffs, they're close, man, I
Speaker 6: mean they feel like they're super close. And if they
Speaker 6: need to go get in a list type of player.
Speaker 6: Maybe you package it and it feels a little like
Speaker 6: what the Rockets did last year, especially in the Eastern
Speaker 6: Conference as you called it, the JUV Conference.
Speaker 5: Jvley say that they're the undercard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not used to the JUV juvenile jv uh
Speaker 6: Being Canadian, we never had that.
Speaker 4: But either way, about all works.
Speaker 1: Brandon Ingram scores twenty eight as the Raptors and a
Speaker 1: four game skid with the one oh six ninety six
Speaker 1: win over the Heat. Now, first thing from this game.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's been an update on him,
Speaker 1: but Jovich went down with a pretty scary fall there
Speaker 1: the elbow injury. First quarter. Took a hard, hard foul.
Speaker 1: I don't think it was dirty at all. It wasn't
Speaker 1: from Colin Murray Boyles. Jovich was going for the dunk
Speaker 1: CMB trying to block it. But Yovic fell real hard
Speaker 1: and it was like right after he checked into the game. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they put the brace on his arm. He walked off
Speaker 1: on his own acord back to the locker room. So
Speaker 1: we wait to see how severe that is or not,
Speaker 1: or was it just like cut open. Hopefully it's like
Speaker 1: broken or anything like that. But the game continued and
Speaker 1: the Raptors pulled it off. In the end, they held
Speaker 1: the Heat to ninety six points tasks. And look, we
Speaker 1: had talked about this when he was struggling with like,
Speaker 1: brandon Ingram, you need to take a break, man, you
Speaker 1: need to get rested. Well, the Raps had a lot
Speaker 1: of rest here Ingram did, and I think it looked
Speaker 1: like a hell or rejuvenated Brandon Ingram last night, going
Speaker 1: for twenty eight. He was hitting the three ball.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's questions out there as the NBA Cup scheduling
Speaker 6: hurting teams. They got so many games on the front
Speaker 6: end of their schedule, but then even if you play
Speaker 6: through those games, it hits ye multiple days off and
Speaker 6: Ingram chilling looking good as a score, there's no doubt
Speaker 6: to get them to the fourth quarter. When it was
Speaker 6: Scotty Barnstein on the offensive end, just everything going through
Speaker 6: him the elbow.
Speaker 4: Give that ball to him. Make it work out there.
Speaker 6: That guy wherever he is, I mean, he picked part
Speaker 6: of his own passing mid range games to the room.
Speaker 6: Whatever the line of seventeen to ten, six assists, two steels,
Speaker 6: three blocks, he'll be a five by five guy one day,
Speaker 6: it's gotta be. But that run of seventeen to two
Speaker 6: to start the fourth for the Raptors tore it apart,
Speaker 6: and the Heat just looked stinky. It looked like they
Speaker 6: weren't playing on both ends.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 6: I thought they struggled offensively, but they allowed so many layups,
Speaker 6: like Greedy Dick had a layup where he literally he
Speaker 6: went from the three point line to the rim nobody there,
Speaker 6: and Greedy Dick isn't the most athletic player. That shouldn't
Speaker 6: just magically happen. So that was disappointing Ingram gonen to
Speaker 6: that third quarter. But if you allow Ingram to work
Speaker 6: excuse me, Barnes to work like that in his office,
Speaker 6: they're going to score points. It was a disappointing fourth
Speaker 6: quarter for the Heat on both sides.
Speaker 5: I think the book is out on the Heat of
Speaker 5: the Officially in December, it's only been a handful of games.
Speaker 5: They're twenty seventh in offense, but if you stretch it
Speaker 5: back further, the last fifteen games, they're twenty first in offense.
Speaker 5: That's bottom ten. They've been a bottom ten offense for
Speaker 5: half of the season, and that was one of the
Speaker 5: encouraging signs. At the beginning of the year for the Heat,
Speaker 5: it looked like they'd figured out a way to play offense.
Speaker 1: But they've been completely figured out. It's just too predictable.
Speaker 5: They try and drive middle all the time, and as
Speaker 5: soon as they drive, guys rotate around the outside.
Speaker 1: They went on TV and talked about it.
Speaker 5: Everyone's like, oh, yeah, well, just you're not going to
Speaker 5: score over the top of us every single time, and
Speaker 5: it's become impossible. They need to figure out a way
Speaker 5: to get some picks involved. There's a reason every other
Speaker 5: team us its picks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and Tyler hero not playing you know, three of
Speaker 6: the six games in December is a factor because he's
Speaker 6: the guy. He's their best offensive player. No disrespect to
Speaker 6: norm but it just looks like, you know what's coming,
Speaker 6: like no one can create for themselves out there. And
Speaker 6: Normany had a you know, he's one for seven in
Speaker 6: the fourth quarter, but you know a lot of those
Speaker 6: are sort of in garbage time right at the end
Speaker 6: when it was over. He's a great secondary scorer and
Speaker 6: Heroes big toe has got to get better.
Speaker 4: He's got a big toe contusion.
Speaker 6: As Eric Reid said, you don't really hear that too often,
Speaker 6: old big toe contusion. Eric Creed also called Khalil where
Speaker 6: the slender rim Bender. I don't know how I feel
Speaker 6: about that nickname. Here comes the slender rim Bender. Slender
Speaker 6: just a skinny dunker like.
Speaker 1: It for the Raps too. He had Mamu and Shed
Speaker 1: having really phenomenal games off the bench. Mamu got it
Speaker 1: going in the four corridor. He was good in his
Speaker 1: late stint, and then Shed was awesome all game long.
Speaker 1: I think he's just great game management, and I think
Speaker 1: he sort of relished or enjoyed battling Davion Mitchell, who
Speaker 1: you know, had some battles up in Toronto against in practice.
Speaker 1: He said, but eight points tennis sists, three boards for
Speaker 1: Shed plus twenty seven in twenty three minutes for him,
Speaker 1: So he had a positive impact on the game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Miami Heat, they're struggling right now. They're real and after that,
Speaker 1: very you know, hot start maybe surprise some people and
Speaker 1: they're starting to fall here and he got this another
Speaker 1: injury here potentially to Yovic got a hero out. Still,
Speaker 1: you know, enormous, cooled off to some extent a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's not not a great stretch here. Yeah, six or seven.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and pretty much corresponds with when a hero came back,
Speaker 5: though he's missed some time.
Speaker 1: Since his return as well. They need a trade. I
Speaker 1: just wonder talent. I don't think they seem like they
Speaker 1: could be one of these teams. I do something here
Speaker 1: now that more guys are available to be traded before
Speaker 1: the deadline, We've got a lot of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Moran talk was hot of a Lamello ball talk.
Speaker 2: I suppose could be a thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they need a guard, it feels like, but as
Speaker 6: one of those guards gonna be playing beside Tyler Harroll,
Speaker 6: that would be odd.
Speaker 1: Jaron Jackson Junior, there's a guy we barely talked about
Speaker 1: this season. Big Game thirty one points. Cam Spencer talked
Speaker 1: about Cam Spencer more than we've talked about Jeron Jackson Junior,
Speaker 1: and fair enough rightfully so he had twenty seven and
Speaker 1: was talking crap to the Clippers as the Griz beat
Speaker 1: them pretty handedly here. So, I mean, you think the
Speaker 1: Miami heater and the dumps right now? How about the
Speaker 1: La Clippers? Baby, they have not won a home game
Speaker 1: since Halloween. Oh yeah, that's interesting. You know, we've had
Speaker 1: multiple holidays go by since then we have and you know,
Speaker 1: the Into It Dome only cost two billion dollars to
Speaker 1: make and I can't even win there. They still selling
Speaker 1: out the wall. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's still bumping.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but not great.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 6: Lawrence Frank leading their front office, met with their season
Speaker 6: seat holders yesterday. I wonder what they talked about. They
Speaker 6: also have.
Speaker 1: That's a sign of the times.
Speaker 5: You would rather meet with anybody else besides Lawrence Frank, Like,
Speaker 5: give me a player, let me see I Viza Zubots
Speaker 5: please sure, Lawrence Frank, I'd rather see Tylo see at
Speaker 5: the tables, right.
Speaker 1: You know who you didn't see after the game? Apparently
Speaker 1: Kawhi Letard and James Harden did not reporters after the game.
Speaker 6: Maybe Yeah, a very strange scenario. You mentioned that arena,
Speaker 6: the fact that they're going to be hosting an also
Speaker 6: our game in two months, because they're not taking that
Speaker 6: away from them no matter what they come to. When
Speaker 6: it comes to should be a pedalty, it should be,
Speaker 6: it should be, but it ain't happening. It's unfortunate. That
Speaker 6: is abysmal situation. But on the other side, I think
Speaker 6: it was Jared Jackson Junior's best offensive game.
Speaker 5: This year, I agree, season high, but also five blocks.
Speaker 5: He has been kind of disengaged I think, this season,
Speaker 5: and he has had less well known complaints about the
Speaker 5: way things are going with the coaching staff in Memphis.
Speaker 5: So to see him fired up and playing hard in
Speaker 5: this game. Maybe it's because Jaw's back playing alongside him,
Speaker 5: I don't know, but he actually looked really into the
Speaker 5: game and looked like he knew he could dominate, and
Speaker 5: he did dominate. And Cam Spencer another great game for
Speaker 5: this guy, knocking down threes. He's the most egregious T
Speaker 5: shirt wearer in the end. No, it's huge, there's no compression.
Speaker 5: That's not a compression shirt.
Speaker 1: That is just a pure T shirt. It is massive.
Speaker 1: It's just like a giant Haynes T shirt or whatever
Speaker 1: brand it is. He's not the only one. There are
Speaker 1: other guys that giant ass T shirts. But his looks crazy.
Speaker 1: This is flapping. But man, the guy was what seven
Speaker 1: to ten from deep last night, and like I said,
Speaker 1: he was talking. His shit clip going around is hilarious, funny.
Speaker 1: Can't gard me get him off me? The most disrespectful
Speaker 1: thing I feel like you can say when you tell
Speaker 1: the other team, when you tell the other coach and
Speaker 1: the bench guys, get that guy off me. If you're
Speaker 1: that guy who's trying to guard him, that's got to hurt.
Speaker 1: Especially its cam Spencer. What do you think Tyler is
Speaker 1: like it's Jordan Miller? Well, yeah, good. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of shrug skis for the Clippers, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of Oh.
Speaker 5: Man, it's like they had no idea what sort of
Speaker 5: defensive coverages they were supposed to be doing. Uh. Kobe's
Speaker 5: Sanders and Brown seemed to mix things up quite a bit.
Speaker 5: But even a guy like Kawhi Leonard was watching defensive
Speaker 5: coverages I thought all night long, and they just they
Speaker 5: just look so bad. I think Ziggy completely nailed it.
Speaker 5: Here your new arena being known for toilets, it's classic.
Speaker 4: Oh the toilet team.
Speaker 1: Man, do you think it's still known for toilets even
Speaker 1: more than the wall or the T shirt cannon that
Speaker 1: can hit any seat. Those are the two things that
Speaker 1: I sort of dare I say, have put ahead of
Speaker 1: the toilet. Wow, a number of toilets, but I haven't
Speaker 1: been there.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that I can hit any seat.
Speaker 1: Didn't know that video. I mean, that's pretty cool that.
Speaker 6: I mean the video board and the wall or what
Speaker 6: I know it for that that's circular video board, that
Speaker 6: Halo board or that shows shows some bad.
Speaker 1: Turn it off.
Speaker 6: But when Cam Spencer did start talking trash, that was off,
Speaker 6: like a thirty foot bomb, that was a boll. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so he should be him and Pat Spencer. We talked
Speaker 6: about w W yesterday. Those guys talked junk. They would
Speaker 6: be a good tag team.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 6: They get into it. Yeah, seven for ten yesterday, also
Speaker 6: coming off a game where he's six six from three,
Speaker 6: so he scorched.
Speaker 1: You get him in the three point contest, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be there. He likes the sitelnes, he loves them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: why not? I don't know what is? And then I
Speaker 1: guess put Stephan Seth in. Let's put as many brothers
Speaker 1: as we can.
Speaker 5: Okay, Pat Spencer is shooting or Cam Spencer shooting fifty
Speaker 5: percent from three, he's a walk.
Speaker 1: He'll be there.
Speaker 4: He'll be there.
Speaker 1: Shirt on John Morant hurt again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like got his foot kicked, maybe landed on a foot.
Speaker 1: There was some sort of foot action. Said he tweaked
Speaker 1: his ankle. Came out late.
Speaker 5: They're hoping it's not a big deal though, because he
Speaker 5: just came back and you know, he was doing some
Speaker 5: jump moves. I don't know if he's doing the job
Speaker 5: moves that were used to in the past, but he
Speaker 5: looked a little bit more boosty, I thought than early
Speaker 5: this season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and he immediately went off. It's not like he
Speaker 6: sat on his butt and had to wait. He immediately
Speaker 6: like just kept hobbling, although when he got to the
Speaker 6: bench he said, I'm not I'm not sitting on a chair.
Speaker 6: He just got down on the floor. He was that
Speaker 6: much pain. So hopefully it's not that Jurassic. You wouldn't
Speaker 6: think so for a guy hobbling off on his own.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was good seeing him the last since
Speaker 6: he's returned. He looks it looks more jaiy, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the final game from last night. We did
Speaker 1: allude to it when we talked to Michael Read earlier
Speaker 1: in the show, but the Jazz one to one thirty
Speaker 1: three over the Dallas Mavericks Cooper Flagg obviously making history,
Speaker 1: putting up forty two points as an eighteen year old,
Speaker 1: beating Lebron's record as the youngest to do that. But
Speaker 1: the Jazz won this game. The Jazz are at ten wins.
Speaker 6: Jazz are ten and fifteen here, eighteen and a half
Speaker 6: or something.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, they're looking good to make that. And Kiante
Speaker 1: George after what he had a thirty nine point game
Speaker 1: the other night, Yeah, thirty three, excuse me, thirty seven
Speaker 1: last night. Lowry markin and added thirty three that helped
Speaker 1: them top the Mavericks there in overtime. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: man the noticer, as Trey Kirby goes by in the
Speaker 1: power rankings on our substact page, Well, I'm noticing the
Speaker 1: Utah Jazz a little bit more now. I'm liking what
Speaker 1: I'm saying them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, Jazz have been noticed, Brooklyn Nets have
Speaker 5: been noticed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, lately you got to pay attention to these bad teams.
Speaker 5: This is actually a pretty entertaining game because both teams
Speaker 5: are like, we're not playing defense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't need to do that.
Speaker 5: No Walker Kessler for the Jazz, Gafford returning from injury,
Speaker 5: he only played like twelve minutes or something like that. No,
Speaker 5: Anthony Davis. So it was just a layup festival for
Speaker 5: both teams. Sixty four points in the paint for the Mavericks,
Speaker 5: sixty six for the Jazz.
Speaker 1: Five guys in this game scored twenty five or more.
Speaker 1: That was awesome. You're highlights, that's all it was.
Speaker 5: If you could make a move and get around to
Speaker 5: your defender, you're getting a layup in the hoop. I
Speaker 5: think both teams basically shot over fifty percent. I think
Speaker 5: the Mats were one shot short. Don't get on me.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Mavericks went, the Mavericks went. I was cold
Speaker 1: in overtime. They went one for nine, and overtime big
Speaker 1: reason why they lost here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if you take a look at any Jazz game,
Speaker 6: it feels like you look at the box score, you
Speaker 6: see somebody scored one hundred and forty points. It feels
Speaker 6: like every single one of their games, there's lots of
Speaker 6: points scored in their games for them and for the
Speaker 6: other team. It is so interesting with Dallas and what
Speaker 6: they do here coming to the trade deadline, because we've
Speaker 6: talked about you got to deal with Anthony Davis. This
Speaker 6: is the time to get bad and use that pick
Speaker 6: that you have, especially when Ad is out and Gaffer
Speaker 6: playing limited minutes and Derek lively out for the season. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but Kyrie's coming back. You'd assume at some point and
Speaker 6: he's gonna want to play. But do they pull the
Speaker 6: plug and say, Kyrie, don't save us. Man, you could
Speaker 6: have saved this in overtime, that's for sure, and help
Speaker 6: us win that game. But maybe they have this meeting
Speaker 6: and say we need to get bad Kyrie.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 1: It is interesting.
Speaker 5: Christian Clark over at the Athletic is reporting that they
Speaker 5: want to stay competitive through the end of the year. So,
Speaker 5: I mean, there was talk that Kyrie could come back
Speaker 5: by the end of December.
Speaker 1: I wonder if that will happen.
Speaker 5: On the flip side of things, the Jazz have a
Speaker 5: top eight protected pick that goes to the Oklahoma City
Speaker 5: Thunder right now.
Speaker 1: They need to start.
Speaker 5: Losing market and you're getting a finger injury playing frisbee
Speaker 5: or something like that. Because I don't know what's going
Speaker 5: to happen in the second half of the season. The
Speaker 5: Thunder can't get two lottery picks.
Speaker 1: They can't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this result should have gone the other way
Speaker 5: for the sake of everyone involved.
Speaker 6: I think maybe, yeah, the Jazz and the Clippers, somehow
Speaker 6: they should involve the Clippers draft pick.
Speaker 4: I don't know in the.
Speaker 6: Three point contest that All Star weekend, like it should
Speaker 6: just be up for whoever wins, because it is. It
Speaker 6: is ridiculous, juice the three point that's okay, Yeah, something
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just such a weird scenario where.
Speaker 6: They that whole thing around the Clippers won't be answered
Speaker 6: until post All Star Game. There's no doubt about, you know,
Speaker 6: the Quhi Leonard situation, which is strange.
Speaker 4: It should be done.
Speaker 1: Once Cooper Flag back to him, Like I said, new
Speaker 1: record as an eighteen year old to score forty plus
Speaker 1: points in a game. But I got a little trivia
Speaker 1: here for you guys. Cooper Flag's forty two points tied
Speaker 1: for fourthmost by a teenager in NBA history. So he
Speaker 1: accomplished the forty two last night, a week before turning
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. So you want to take a stab
Speaker 1: at the other nineteen year olds. They're all nineteen year
Speaker 1: olds to have more than forty two points in a game.
Speaker 4: Luca, No, no, it's.
Speaker 1: A good guess. How about Brandon Jennings.
Speaker 5: No, no, he wasn't in his teens when he had
Speaker 5: fifty five or whatever.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: To Actually, that's weird. You're right, was so early in
Speaker 5: the season. But I don't know how old he.
Speaker 1: I guess I guess he wasn't unless ESPN research is
Speaker 1: wrong here, but fact checked them. Please know he wasn't.
Speaker 1: He could have been twenty.
Speaker 4: Okay, was that one year in Italy? I'm going to
Speaker 4: tell Lebron.
Speaker 1: Lebron did forty three when he was just before turning
Speaker 1: twenty basically, and then the other two are fun. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to give you a one word hint. Trey
Speaker 1: Kerby will get it right away. Survivor Cliff Robinson. Cliff
Speaker 1: Robinson in nineteen eighty went for forty five points as
Speaker 1: a nineteen year old and was nearly twenty. He was
Speaker 1: like turning twenty like in three days, and then two thousand.
Speaker 1: What's that? I think it's the other different Cliff Robinson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty Actually, now that I say second, yeah, play
Speaker 1: for Long was another Cliff Robson. Okay, that older Cliff Robson.
Speaker 1: But twenty twenty four. I thought you guys might get this.
Speaker 1: He was a nineteen year old. He was obviously a rookie.
Speaker 1: It was shocking for draft. He scored forty four points
Speaker 1: at nineteen years old and one hundred and nineteen days.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four draft was last.
Speaker 6: Year, But it could have been a twenty three draft,
Speaker 6: right because he said the year two twenty twenty four, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Could have been, but I bet it was a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four. This guy is uh sky, Oh, this guy's
Speaker 1: birthday is tomorrow. He turns twenty one tomorrow, I mean
Speaker 1: twenty one years of age tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big number. So it was a rookie year.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, yeah, who was a big scorer last season?
Speaker 1: So it was two years ago though, Just so you
Speaker 1: know what twenty three twenty four it is. Oh so
Speaker 1: twenty three drafts, twenty three draft, I'll tell you right now.
Speaker 1: He was a second round pick.
Speaker 6: Oh respect respect drafted.
Speaker 1: When did Michael red get drafted? Was he forty fifth overall?
Speaker 1: This guy may have been the exact same. Nope, Michael
Speaker 1: Radward forty third. This guy went forty fifth overall.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Give me a conference here, yeah, Western conference. I'll give
Speaker 1: you his jersey number, forty five. Not Donovan Mitchell. No, No,
Speaker 1: this is tough.
Speaker 4: Kyle might be Cam Witmore No, No, but you've.
Speaker 1: Got uh no, no, I can't win more. I thought
Speaker 1: you said, think you said Cam Spencer for a second,
Speaker 1: he's on that team Houston Rocket number forty five on
Speaker 1: the Houston Rockets Camp Spencer, I said, oh, Brisley's Gg Jackson.
Speaker 1: There you go, Gg Jackson the second score forty four
Speaker 1: as a gay, I don't forget about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's when he got interviewed by Shack.
Speaker 6: I guess he got on TNT.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's all excited.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, there you go. Cool, cool, well, good game
Speaker 1: well Cooper flag uh Eclipse the forty five from the
Speaker 1: original Cliff Robinson in his team twenty I think so, yes,
Speaker 1: yes he could do it this year, probably not before
Speaker 1: he turns nineteen, but yes he could do it and
Speaker 1: probably will at some point. Okay, bye, well, Bye of
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Speaker 6: Spurs NIX NBA Cup Action. Somehow the Knicks are the
Speaker 6: home team. Who knows they're playing in Las Vegas.
Speaker 4: It's a small line. It's two and a half point
Speaker 4: line that the Knicks have to win by three or more.
Speaker 6: But basically we're picking who's winning. Trey and I have
Speaker 6: the Knicks skeets. You're taking the Spurs. Why are you
Speaker 6: taking the San Antonio Spurs here an NBA Cup action?
Speaker 4: Because they're good?
Speaker 1: Because they said it yesterday, okay, and they're good? Yes man.
Speaker 1: You know, I gained a little more confidence when Michael
Speaker 1: red was sort of leaning towards taking the Spurs tonight.
Speaker 1: So there you go, Nice. I really I don't care.
Speaker 1: I just want to really I want the Cup final
Speaker 1: to be as entertaining as some of these games leading
Speaker 1: up to it has been. I hope we get a
Speaker 1: close game between the Spurs and the Knicks.
Speaker 4: Trey, why are you taking the Knicks?
Speaker 1: Knicks are sixteen and six against the spread this year.
Speaker 4: Jeez, I'm all about that spread.
Speaker 6: And it's a bit of an NBA Cup type of
Speaker 6: game for you guys because you're both four of seven,
Speaker 6: four and seven this season this month, I should say
Speaker 6: not this season, and you know December is a long month,
Speaker 6: but there are going to be days off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get funky.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I in part took the next because I feel
Speaker 6: like they're going to be playing for each other.
Speaker 4: Jillen Brunzel was asked what.
Speaker 6: Are you doing with the money by our man James Edwards?
Speaker 6: Do you have planned to give it to people beyond
Speaker 6: the team, part of your team staff and all that.
Speaker 6: He's like, oh, yeah, way to ruin it, man, we're
Speaker 6: doing it. Yeah, well do you You didn't have to
Speaker 6: admit it, but but he did, and.
Speaker 1: They see what Town said. No, he's given I believe
Speaker 1: he said he's giving all of his winnings to Dominican Republicans.
Speaker 4: Like youth sports or something right where his mom was from.
Speaker 1: Yeah, damn, you put that on the line. It's kind
Speaker 1: of good. You gotta go back down.
Speaker 4: That's a good call.
Speaker 6: That's a good call, and he'll definitely be playing for
Speaker 6: the demand or the International All Star team right now
Speaker 6: that if you're doing this, you don't do that.
Speaker 1: Man, we don't know he will do. Hey, those voting
Speaker 1: for starters, I guess whatever that means at this point,
Speaker 1: it starts tomorrow. You can start filling out your ballots
Speaker 1: December seventeenth, on Wednesday. So your starters for both the
Speaker 1: East and Conference.
Speaker 4: Are the paper ballots dead?
Speaker 1: I believe yeah. I don't think we have any more
Speaker 1: paper ballots. I don't think you can go to an
Speaker 1: arena and ask for a ballot to fill out and
Speaker 1: put it in a box somewhere, all done on your
Speaker 1: app tasks.
Speaker 6: I was thinking I wanted one. I know you're going.
Speaker 6: I just want to feel it. I just want to
Speaker 6: I want to click, clack those chads, popa chat.
Speaker 1: You more than anyone's mister recycle So, I mean, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't think you would want the wasted paper ballots.
Speaker 6: Well I would recycle it. Well, I know you would,
Speaker 6: they I would frame it. I just want a paper ballot,
Speaker 6: a frame.
Speaker 1: I wonder what the last paper ballot was though. How
Speaker 1: long have we been without actual paper ballots? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would I've been a couple of years. Yeah, probably right,
Speaker 1: memorabilia to hang on ballot.
Speaker 5: I'll be voting for Tyrese Maxie. That's a guy I'm
Speaker 5: going to put a vote in.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, oh yes, you tipped your hand in our
Speaker 1: sub stack power rankings that if you are to see
Speaker 1: a voter to for maybe Tyrese Maxi in timbon tempts
Speaker 1: MVP straw Pole, that's from you, at least me. That's
Speaker 1: from me. I did more than one. I was wondering
Speaker 1: will he get more than one vote? He was my
Speaker 1: fifth choice?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, But there's a lot of cases to
Speaker 5: be made for a fifth choice.
Speaker 1: It's like Wemby and Giannis could be there. Yeah, played
Speaker 1: a ton of games.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jalen Brown and Maxie are like kind of similar cases,
Speaker 5: as is Jalen Brunson. So choose who you want, but
Speaker 5: it should be Maxie. I'm hoping I'm the only one.
Speaker 1: As like like it says like an additional additional because
Speaker 1: it won't be one that's me.
Speaker 4: I hear you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was tough deciding who's fifth because there's lots
Speaker 6: of cases.
Speaker 4: Do you want to share your selection as my number five?
Speaker 6: It was a Jalen. It was definitely a Jalen. I
Speaker 6: wouldn't be Yeah, no, brow be Brandon, No I did go,
Speaker 6: I said be. It could be brown anyway. I hope
Speaker 6: you're going to the arena next, I think out of
Speaker 6: all of us, to the Hawks arena, Yes, Fortress.
Speaker 1: So I'm going Friday night to hopefully see Wemby play.
Speaker 4: Get that ballot if they have them. They probably won't.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll last for a ballot. Look for a paper,
Speaker 1: our guy or Kyley, you have a ballot in There's
Speaker 1: no way, there's no way. The like percentage of people
Speaker 1: that go to let's just use Atlanta for example, on
Speaker 1: Friday night. How many people that are walking through that
Speaker 1: gate on Friday night don't have a phone is what
Speaker 1: we're getting at here. Very few. I would I almost
Speaker 1: could say nobody at this point. How would you even
Speaker 1: get in? You get at I guess it could come
Speaker 1: with someone that would scan you in. Yeah, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 6: Kids don't have them children yet, other adults, yeah, they
Speaker 6: all got them fourteen plus.
Speaker 5: You're talking ninety nine phone. Maybe there's a crusty.
Speaker 1: Old dad out there that I yeah, pop a chat
Speaker 1: all right before we go. We got a box from
Speaker 1: the Spurs, a team I'm going to see on Friday
Speaker 1: night here in Atlanta, and uh, we're gonna unbox it
Speaker 1: here on the show. Is that the plan?
Speaker 4: That's the plan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, We've got a gift from the Spurs and Ledger. Okay,
Speaker 6: there's lots of stuff in here, and and it actually
Speaker 6: has a speaker in the box, so listen.
Speaker 7: In Stori has a ride.
Speaker 6: Yeah, please return of the Max. Wow, And there's lots
Speaker 6: of cool stuff. I'll pass this around you guys.
Speaker 4: Check this.
Speaker 6: Check this jersey. You could be wearing this on Friday
Speaker 6: when you go see the Spurs. Here turn my back
Speaker 6: on my Hawks City Edition.
Speaker 1: Well, these are sick jerseys. They are Oh man, this yeah,
Speaker 1: this might pick you guys. Wow, that's awesome. There's Wenby
Speaker 1: on the back web fiestas the Ledger.
Speaker 6: There's so much City Edition gear here. I'll give you
Speaker 6: your choice of the next because it's got you know,
Speaker 6: the rope across the yeah cross.
Speaker 1: You put a hat on like that you're voting with
Speaker 1: the paper ballot.
Speaker 4: But this is a badass shooting shirt as well.
Speaker 1: That is that is cool.
Speaker 4: That's super nice. Well, let's see, let's see get in there.
Speaker 1: This is awesome.
Speaker 4: It's got it all. We got it all here. Pretty stats.
Speaker 1: Turn around for everybody. Those colors, what do you even?
Speaker 1: What color is that? Teal?
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness, this is this is
Speaker 5: my number one color combination, orange.
Speaker 1: Pink and teal. Wow, that's my signature color combination. Not
Speaker 1: a lot of people know that.
Speaker 4: Shouts to Ledger and yeah, we got three items.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe give me a paper ballot please. I'd like to
Speaker 1: vote for the old school player. You're voting for Sean Elly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you've also got the City Edition court here in
Speaker 6: the box.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool. Return of the Mac is over. I
Speaker 4: thought it would play the entire song, but it is cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We're called no dunks. Ledger might as well be called
Speaker 1: no hacks. I should consider that nice. I should be
Speaker 1: their tag, the Ledger Nano Gen five. These guys in there,
Speaker 1: you're in the crypto game a little bit, aren't your TK,
Speaker 1: not your keys, not your crypto? Okay, how about that? Well,
Speaker 1: the piece of the floor, this is game used wood. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's like game used wood.
Speaker 4: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: You're just showing us photos. Man, there's the actual little piece.
Speaker 4: I didn't realize that was in that box.
Speaker 5: Hey Poppa, I feel like Garth right now because I
Speaker 5: like those little wood courts.
Speaker 6: It's pretty neat because I've had the old Raptors one,
Speaker 6: the original piece of the court from literally when the
Speaker 6: Huskies play the New York Knicks in the forties.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's pretty freaking cool.
Speaker 1: Question, would this be a taboo of me to wear this?
Speaker 1: Weben Yama jersey down to the Hawks game on Friday night?
Speaker 1: And now I say this because I'm sitting in a
Speaker 1: Hawk's members seats. He's very kindly. I got Cliff offered
Speaker 1: them up. Hu, that's a that's poor taste.
Speaker 4: I think.
Speaker 1: I mean fan. Well, I mean I'm not a Spurs fan.
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm a Ledger fan. Now after this,
Speaker 1: I think was here for it would work. Well, it
Speaker 1: fits over your black sweater. I no, I do like
Speaker 1: the look you stay warm here in the winter. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's cold right now. That's a nice jersey and nice jersey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I think even if you're a Hawks fan, you have
Speaker 6: to look at that and say it's a nice jersey,
Speaker 6: respect jersey.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, we'll see what happens Friday night. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. All right, we'll call it there.
Speaker 1: Lots of fun here today. Thanks to Michael Red for
Speaker 1: jumping on with us. That was a treat. Hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: get him back on talk to him more about the
Speaker 1: NBA season later on. As I said, I'll add the
Speaker 1: link to his YouTube page in the show notes. Go
Speaker 1: check that out, especially that one he posted. I think
Speaker 1: you guys obviously got a chance to watch it him
Speaker 1: breaking down with Tea that game against uh against the
Speaker 1: Lakers obviously where he went for Did he go for
Speaker 1: forty five? I think he did in that game the
Speaker 1: Kobe game? Yeah, yeah, yes he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was a lot of fun. So thanks to
Speaker 1: Michael Red. Thanks to you for joining us. Hit the
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Speaker 1: the goodies here. More of this, please keep sending in
Speaker 1: things unboxing. Did you struggle with the unboxing because you
Speaker 1: know we've seen people do it online trying to record it.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to do that, but like you know,
Speaker 1: you were holding it. There's like a lot of things,
Speaker 1: so song and dance, unboxing something. He balanced it on
Speaker 1: your shoulder like a boombox. All those years of balancing
Speaker 1: things at parties finally.
Speaker 4: For this moment. Yeah, it felt good. It's a nice box,
Speaker 4: very nice box. I didn't you didn't have to deal
Speaker 4: with too much stuff.
Speaker 1: Clover bros.
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