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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Fish Bites podcast. I'm Ram Layton and

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Speaker 1: I am joined by Fish Stripes contributor Michael Stevenson. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about today. Of course, the

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Speaker 1: All Star Break is going to be a main focus.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about what we thought about the Derby,

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game, how Ozuna and Stanton did, and

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Speaker 1: Boor of course, the impending Marlin sale, some trade rumors,

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Speaker 1: and a lot more. So let's get started. Michael, what

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Speaker 1: did you think of the All Star Break and how

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Speaker 1: do you think the Marlins did well.

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Speaker 2: I think that it's been a good showcase for the

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Speaker 2: city of Miami, showing the potential that Miami has to

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Speaker 2: become a real baseball town with the crowds that came

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Speaker 2: out and everything that you saw overall, I think with

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Speaker 2: the Derby especially was like justin Boor's big kind of

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Speaker 2: national coming out party. He obviously coming out crushing twenty

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Speaker 2: two home runs was huge. I don't think anybody expected

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Speaker 2: that at all, and I think it also might end

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Speaker 2: up affecting how we look at trades if that happens

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Speaker 2: in the future. For Bore, I was pretty pleased with

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Speaker 2: Stanton's performance despite the fact that he got booted in

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Speaker 2: the first round. He looked good but at the same

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Speaker 2: it was a fun game to watch, it was a

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Speaker 2: great derby. It was probably my favorite derby overall, just

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Speaker 2: was fun to watch. But going to the All Star Game,

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Speaker 2: I think it was overall pretty laid back experience is

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Speaker 2: what it looked like to me. MLB always tries to

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Speaker 2: add some little twists and interesting points in there where

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Speaker 2: they have Joe Buck talking to George Springer and Bryce

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Speaker 3: But kind of made for interesting experience.

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Speaker 2: Especially Bryce Harper bringing up the Dallas Cowboys in their

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Speaker 3: But overall it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Robinson Cano's home run was fun to watch, but overall

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Speaker 2: I feel like it was a very standard All Star Game.

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Speaker 2: This being the first one that doesn't have any impact

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I enjoyed it. I had a good time

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Speaker 2: I think that it shows a lot for, like I said,

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a lot of things that you mentioned that

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Speaker 1: a lot of talking points that I think we're going

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Speaker 1: But I think the format needs to be changed a

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Speaker 2: I think that it's definitely a work in progress. It's

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Speaker 2: But I agree, I think that it's you know, justin

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Speaker 3: Meant a lot more than what we saw early on.

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Speaker 3: But I think they're trending in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of become the new What used to be

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Speaker 1: And you know, for Boor it was still even though

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Speaker 3: But overall, I think Jorge Moss would be the best deal.

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Speaker 1: Well, too many cooks in the kitchen is a great

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Speaker 2: I think that with our farm system being so down,

436
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Speaker 2: we do have some like shining points, like you mentioned,

437
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Speaker 2: And one of the key things for us being a

438
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Speaker 2: team a selling team this season or this you know,

439
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 2: coming period, the trade deals and then off also the

440
00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 2: off season as well, looking forward to that they are

441
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 2: gonna hold on to more of the prospects that we've

442
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 2: been hoping for and hoping to develop. And you know,

443
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys we've developed out of our

444
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: farm system or have gotten whenever they were really young

445
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,840
Speaker 2: grew up to be the kind of guys that bring

446
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 2: fans into the stadium. So I think if we can

447
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 2: flip somebody like Dee Gordon, like you said, you know,

448
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: winning the batting title a few years ago, now, like

449
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: you said, he's dropped off, he's got a bigger contract.

450
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 2: But I think, especially for teams we posted an article

451
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Speaker 2: about some of the teams that are looking at on

452
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Speaker 2: the Angels, Royals, Blue Jays. The Angels could definitely flip

453
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Speaker 2: for him. They are kind of looking for that kind

454
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Speaker 2: of position player and they're more poised for, uh, the

455
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: win now kind of mode I think, versus compared to

456
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: the Marlins, especially with everything we have going on. So

457
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, looking at the developmental side

458
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: of things, we despite being ranked solowly, have an opportunity

459
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,400
Speaker 2: to really bring up some guys to fill those spots.

460
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Speaker 2: If we can keep the core group intact, you know,

461
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 2: the stell It Stanton Yelich, Real Muto, Ozuna boor maybe

462
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 2: even give up just one or two of those guy,

463
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,080
Speaker 2: I think overall we'd be in a lot better position

464
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Speaker 2: for the upcoming seasons. I think that this is you know,

465
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Speaker 2: something that we could look back on. You know, three

466
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 2: or four years later when everything has changed so much

467
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 2: and say, wow, you know.

468
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Speaker 3: We really knocked out of the part. We played this

469
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Speaker 3: this part of the season really well.

470
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: We played this part of our franchise is history really well,

471
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 2: or we could look back on it said, man, we

472
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Speaker 2: really messed up. And then we're writing articles about what

473
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Speaker 2: could have been from some player, from some prospect.

474
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Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's really interesting, you know where

475
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Speaker 3: we're going.

476
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Speaker 2: And then all the trade rumors we're hearing for all

477
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 2: the guys have been just like the s the sale

478
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 2: of the team kind of not necessarily confusing, but there's

479
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: just so much going on and so much interest floating around.

480
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: It seems like there's I wouldn't say blood in the

481
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: water for the Marlins, but other teams are circling, other

482
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,119
Speaker 2: teams are looking around. I know that a lot of

483
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: teams have been fielding prospects or been, you know, gauging

484
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 2: their prospects with our position players right now, Like you said,

485
00:23:53,960 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: I'd be fine Edison Volcaz, while the no hitter was miraculous, amazing,

486
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: if he needs to go to kind of build up

487
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: some of the bullpen or some of the rotational strength

488
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 2: that's fine too. I think David Phelps could be somebody

489
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,080
Speaker 2: that also maybe draw some interest if teams look at

490
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 2: him from more of a last year perspective. As era

491
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Speaker 2: last year was two point two. This year he's thrown

492
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 2: three point three five, So a little bit of a

493
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,160
Speaker 2: drop off this season obviously, but if they can look

494
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 2: at him, you know, for the maybe view it as

495
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 2: this year was kind of one down year for him,

496
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Speaker 2: I think that he could also flip some interesting prospects.

497
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Speaker 2: I don't really know if we could bring in a

498
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: position player necessarily, or a player that could step in

499
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 2: and assume the role that we're looking for, but I

500
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: think that he could do a fine job. I think

501
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 2: they're showing promise, in my opinion, already getting rid of

502
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 2: a Danni Etcha Varia was you know. I think that's

503
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 2: kind of a Marlins fans go both ways on that one.

504
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: But giving him to the Raise was fine for me.

505
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 2: I think that his contract and kind of what we've

506
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Speaker 2: been getting out of him was was fine to go

507
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 2: and trade for. Also, there's some reports going out now

508
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,520
Speaker 2: of Dan Straley to the Wins. It's all that on

509
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 2: MLB Trade rumors dot Com. I think that they could

510
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 2: use his assistance, But I would be sad to see

511
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 2: Dan Straley go. But yeah, overall, it's going to be

512
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 2: a really interesting time to see who what the twenty

513
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,680
Speaker 2: eighteen Marlins will look like, or even the second half

514
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 2: of the season Marlins will look like from this point forward.

515
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Speaker 1: Well, I would be absolutely shocked to see Dan Strelly

516
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: traded in my opinion, because he is what the Marlins

517
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Speaker 1: look for when they're trying to acquire an arm, and

518
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Speaker 1: what they were hoping to get in Jared Cosart a

519
00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Is a controllable, affordable arm for

520
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: the long term. You know, he's under control for several years,

521
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:41,520
Speaker 1: he's not expensive, and he's out pitching his contract, which

522
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: seems like a Marlins dream. So I think the Twins

523
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,640
Speaker 1: would really need to knock Marlin socks off to pry

524
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 1: Dan Stralia away, especially when the Marlins are just so

525
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,879
Speaker 1: desperate to find pitchers to fill the rotation they finally

526
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 1: found one. I don't see the point of trading him

527
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 1: away unless you can really get some prospects in return.

528
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 1: But I don't see Dan Streli netting a top prospect

529
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: return as well as he's been doing the last two years.

530
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: But I think the focus should be how can the

531
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Speaker 1: Marlins build around the core because they have a phenomenal

532
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: offense putting up great numbers this year and they're only

533
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: five games under five hundred for a team that got

534
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Speaker 1: off to an abysmal start. Has probably the worst rotation

535
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Speaker 1: in all of baseball. I mean, I find myself a

536
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,120
Speaker 1: lot of times I'll see a pitcher with a four

537
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: point ninetyra like and I'm thinking, Wow, the Marlins could

538
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: use this guy. And that's when I take a second

539
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: to set back, and I'm like, holy crap, no other

540
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: team would even want to be scraps. But the point is,

541
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: the Marlins could use any team scraps for the rotation

542
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,879
Speaker 1: right now, and there's something to be said about that,

543
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: the fact that they're not at the basement of the

544
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: league with a rotation that's almost a revolving door. I

545
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,679
Speaker 1: you know, we cover the Marlins. A funny thing that

546
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: happened recently in our slack channel, which is where we

547
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: have our communications between all of the writers on Fish Stripes,

548
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: when the Marlins called up. His name's slipping my mind.

549
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: Chris O'Grady, Chris O'Grady thank you Chris O'Grady to pitch,

550
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and he actually did a great job.

551
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: In San Francisco on I was on my feet for

552
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: Chris Ogrady. I was so excited because it was.

553
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 2: Like watching the game going into the game, I was

554
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: nervous for him as if I knew him, almost because

555
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 2: I realized, like, man, we are it's the desperation point

556
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: for who we're going to put on the mound, especially,

557
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 2: you know, just with some of the injuries and some

558
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: of the performances we've had, so to have Chris O'Grady

559
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: go out and throw a good game was awesome, Like

560
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 2: that was fun to watch for me. Hopefully you can

561
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: kind of hold it together and be, you know, part

562
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 2: of that group that will sub in every once in

563
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: a while and pitch for us. But no, yeah, Chris

564
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: O'Grady was I think the quint essential kind of perspective

565
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: that you have to take with the Marlins bullpen and

566
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 2: who are putting out there the lineup right now is

567
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, when we call up somebody that was basically

568
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: booted out of the league made a phone call to

569
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: one of the pitching staff guys that he knew from college.

570
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: I think they said on TV two that he was

571
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: friends with Justin bohr His brother was friends with Justin Bohr. Uh,

572
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,879
Speaker 2: just kind of working it all through relationships and getting

573
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: to come up and pitching at and T Park was

574
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 2: was awesome, but tells you a lot about the state

575
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: of the Marlins right now.

576
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, and like I was saying, we you know, we

577
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: cover the Marlins, we eat and sleep it. We know

578
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: almost every prospect, almost every guy. And when when the

579
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: reports came out that Chris O'Grady was getting the call

580
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 1: up and making the start, I remember all of us

581
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: just at the same time saying who is that? Like,

582
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: no idea, you know, and we cover the Marlins and

583
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: we eat and sleep it. And where were if no

584
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: one knew who he was? And that says something because

585
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: we we we put out reports on all the minor

586
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: league teams. He was a long reliever in Triple A.

587
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: So that speaks volumes as to where the Marlins are

588
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: in terms of pitching right now. And I think with

589
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: the pitching being that poor, and not to not Chris O'Grady,

590
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: but when you're calling up guys like Chris O'Grady to

591
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: make emergency starts in San Francisco right before the All

592
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: Star break and you're still flirting with five hundred. I

593
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: think that's a lineup you have to keep intact. And

594
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: so if the Marlins can find a way to keep

595
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 1: that lineup intact, I think that has to be done

596
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: by all means. And but I used to be a

597
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: proponent of, you know, scrap it, start over. This clearly

598
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: doesn't work, but it's it seems like it might work.

599
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: It's just they need to find a way to fill

600
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: that rotation. And may always say building through free agency

601
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: is the worst way to rebuild, and I don't think

602
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: the Marlins are rebuilding per se. I think if they

603
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: can bring in a couple pieces, you know, in the rotation,

604
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: get rid of that Volcez contract, get rid of the

605
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: Prado contract, get rid of the Dee Gordon contract. You

606
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: call it Brian Anderson, he's on a rookie contract. Right there.

607
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: You're saving about over one hundred million dollars, and you

608
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: put that towards an arm or two arms, and hope

609
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: Chen can somehow get healthy and learn how to pitch

610
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: again like he did in Baltimore, and maybe you have

611
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: a serviceable rotation. But the thing is with this Marlins lineup,

612
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: you don't need a great rotation, you just need a

613
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: solid average rotation and the Marlins will be you know, competitive.

614
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: But the big issue is that Chen contract, and they'll

615
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: never be able to get that off the books, unfortunately,

616
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: because no one wants him yet. Not only is he

617
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: pitching bad, he's not pitching. So until he can get healthy,

618
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: the Marlins just have absolutely no chance. And you know,

619
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: as Marlins fans, you gotta just hope he gets he

620
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: comes back and learns how to pitch again. But I'm

621
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: starting to believe that the years in Baltimore were a

622
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,719
Speaker 1: bit of a fluke. His ninety mile hour fastball and

623
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: blow average off speed and blow average control doesn't seem

624
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: like anything that's gonna turn around anytime soon. So that's

625
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: one of those where you know, you just got to

626
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: eat the contract and hope five years goes really quickly

627
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: and just take your lumps. But I mean, as Marlins fans,

628
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: you can only hope that way and Chen can at

629
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: least just turn into a serviceable starter, like at least

630
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: get on the field. So that's that's something that the

631
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 1: that's that is the only hope for for Marlins. Fans.

632
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: But other than that, I haven't really taken a look

633
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: at next year's free agents, but there has to be

634
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 1: one or two arms out there that that the Marlins

635
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: can take a shot at. You know, they don't have

636
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: the prospects, they don't have the pieces to trade for

637
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: an arm, so it's gonna have to be through free agency,

638
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 1: and they don't have any really pitching prospects coming up.

639
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: You know, Jose Ureni has been a great surprise and

640
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: he should be in the rotation for the for the

641
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: foreseeable future. But the Marlins keep making the same mistake

642
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: and it's made me pretty frustrated with going after these

643
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: high school arms. They haven't warned their lesson. You know,

644
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: the two high school arms they've draft in the last

645
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: four years are both on the shelf with Tommy John

646
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: in term you know, with Braxton Garrett and Tyler Kollik.

647
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: And what do they do this year? They dropped another

648
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: high school arm when they could have taken a guy

649
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: like Alex Fayedo out of UF. There's something to be

650
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: said about a college nutritional program, college weight program, instead

651
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: of these guys in high school that are taking care

652
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 1: of themselves and throwing their arms out and it just

653
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like the Marlins have learned their lesson. They

654
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: continue to take these high school guys because it's affordable,

655
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: it's a cheaper bonus, and they stretch for guys that

656
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: are willing to take less of a bonus, and you know,

657
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: it's a mistake. And the Marlins can only hope that

658
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 1: this high school arm that they just got this year

659
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: doesn't get hurt either. But with the Tommy John epidemic,

660
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: especially with high school arms, it just doesn't look good

661
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: for the Marlins pitching in the future.

662
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 3: Right, I agree.

663
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: I mean looking at high school arms and what scouts

664
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: look for in high school arms is you know, speed,

665
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: the number of pitches that they can throw, pure size,

666
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 2: and you know, just kind of baseline thing. Whereas whenever

667
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: you get to college level they're actually facing at least

668
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: better talent as well, whereas high school guys are just

669
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: you know, throwing to people that are we're on the

670
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 2: JV high school team maybe the year before or something,

671
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: so I think that they're getting better. I'm kind of

672
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: looking towards somebody, Colton Hawk out of Stanford. I know

673
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: he was in the third or fourth round for US.

674
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: I had watched one of his games and he looked great.

675
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: He looked like he had some of the control there.

676
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that if we can build up

677
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: from there, then that would be worthwhile. Like we talked about,

678
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the core is there, the offensive there is there,

679
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: and based off of what we have.

680
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: Been able to feel as far as pitching goes, it is.

681
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: Remarkable that we are not a worst baseball team than

682
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 2: we are. I'm really really happy everything I've seen out

683
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 2: of them so far. I think that if you get

684
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: somebody in that's not in the mindset of Jeffrey Laurier

685
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: looking at just the balance sheet, somebody that's in tune

686
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 2: with the community of Miami and Florida in general, what

687
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 2: they're looking for is, you know, kind of guys that

688
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 2: can can be the face of the franchise, somebody like

689
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 2: John Carlos Stanton, but also not have to have that

690
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 2: thought in the back of their mind, like you know,

691
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: like we've had Justin Bohr. He's become very recently somebody

692
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 2: that players and fans enjoy to watch. But with the

693
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: Marlins history, you kind of have this monkey on your

694
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 2: back of well, it's just a matter of time until

695
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 2: they flip him and get rid of him, and some

696
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 2: of the guys will have to be you know, traded off,

697
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 2: like we talked about, you know, get getting rid of

698
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 2: the Dee Gordon contract, and others are going to have

699
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 2: to go. But a new owner will have to take

700
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 2: that into account of if they want people to enjoy

701
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: the product that they're putting out onto the field, then

702
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: they're going to have to be able to field people

703
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: that players that people want to come and watch, players

704
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 2: that can perform well and they don't have to worry

705
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: about losing their entire organization every five to ten years

706
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 2: based off moderate success. Makes me nervous, and I'm glad

707
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: that Laurie is kind of stepping away or getting rid

708
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 2: of the team, selling the team, because for this crew

709
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: we have right now, this young core that you're talking about,

710
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 2: that's so exciting to watch. I mean, Marcelo Zuna is understated,

711
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: one of the best players in all of baseball right

712
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 2: now in every metric and defense, in batting, everything, and

713
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 2: you know, not to mention obviously, John Carlos Stanton doesn't

714
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: need any further conversation about how good he's been. Christian

715
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: Yelich JT Real Muto, all those guys, But to be

716
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: able to kind of hold onto them and to build

717
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: around them, I think we'll produce a much more viable

718
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: team for everyone to come and enjoy. But to have

719
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: them stick around and to add in the missing pieces

720
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: and not to blow the whole thing up and start over.

721
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: I think of like the Diamondbacks this year. You know,

722
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: they've lost Mike Trout for a good chunk of the season.

723
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: He comes back on Friday or Saturday, but they've they've

724
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: managed to stay where they are at where I know

725
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: is last year and the year before people were begging

726
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: them to blow the whole thing up and start over.

727
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: I look at a team like the Astros. I remember

728
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen or thirteen, Sports Illustrated posted, you know,

729
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: the winner of the twenty seventeen World Series, and it

730
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 2: was the Houston Astros when they were maybe had won

731
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 2: like forty games that whole season, just a truly terrible

732
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: baseball team, and they had built around their young core,

733
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 2: not selling everybody off, looking at contracts, bad contracts that

734
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 2: they needed to flip, and going after players just to

735
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: develop the ones that they have now and now they

736
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,360
Speaker 2: have arguably definitely the best team in baseball in my

737
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: opinion this first half of the season.

738
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: Well, absolutely, and the Astros are kind of the rebuild

739
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: that every team hopes that they can put together. It's

740
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: almost a sped up, fast forward rebuild where you know,

741
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 1: they kind of skipped the whole in between Lowell where

742
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: you have to ease your way up to success, and

743
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:46,839
Speaker 1: kind of just jumped right into it. And they did

744
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: a great job. And now they've kind of paired the

745
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: veteran leadership with the young guns and it's looking like

746
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: the Astros might be the favorite to win the World

747
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: Series this year, which I don't know anyone, if anyone,

748
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 1: really expected that. So that's been great toe and the

749
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: Marlins aren't far off of that. They're just missing a

750
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: couple of arms, because you look at Houston. They've got

751
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: Kaiko and mccullors, two young guys that they were able

752
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: to acquire during that rebuilding prospect or rebuilding process, and

753
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: they they just came up quickly. They threw the ball well,

754
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 1: and now they're shoving it at the major league level.

755
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: So that's all the Marlins really need is a couple

756
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: pitching prospects that can get up quickly and that's all

757
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: it really takes. And unfortunately, Kolik could have been that

758
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: guy by now, and it looks like Brax and Garrett

759
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: won't be that guy for even longer. But there's some

760
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 1: hope if they can just go after some of those guys.

761
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, the Yankees have a surplus of pitching prospects,

762
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: and maybe Product can can net one of those. And

763
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: that's the thing, though, is it seems like you might

764
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: have to give up one of those core players in

765
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 1: order to get one of those mccollers or Kicko type prospects.

766
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of middle ground where where the

767
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: Marlins don't really know which way to go, and that's

768
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: where it's kind of tough. Anyways, we like to usually

769
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 1: end the show on like a hot take sort of thing,

770
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: and one of my previous hot takes was that the

771
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: Marlins need to get rid of a Danny Echevaria. And

772
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: that came true, and I was very excited about that

773
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: because I have been very outspoken about my displeasure for

774
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: a Danny Echeveria. Not that jt riddles any superstar, but

775
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: I just could not stand watching a Dany hit and

776
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: it was painful. And now it's gone and now it's over,

777
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 1: and that's really exciting. But now this kind of hot

778
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 1: take for me is gonna be not really a hot take,

779
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,840
Speaker 1: but just something that I've noticed that kind of bugs me.

780
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: And it's the Monster Energy drink advertisement in center field.

781
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: I think it's the worst advertisement in all of sports,

782
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 1: and the home run derby kind of supported that notion

783
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 1: for me. So for those that aren't familiar with Marlins

784
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: Park center field, there's a big monster sign and the

785
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: O has a red highlight around it, and if any

786
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: player hits that Monster sign any part of the Monster sign,

787
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: a random row gets beats headphones, and if someone hits

788
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: inside the O, they win a custom Bentley. But of

789
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: course that's never happened, and that thing's been up there

790
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: for two years. And I was like, you know what

791
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch in this derby, And of course the

792
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: promotion's gone for the derby because there wasn't actually a

793
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: chance that someone would hit it, so the promotion was gone.

794
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 1: And I think maybe one errand Judge home run went

795
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: near that section and it didn't hit the sign, I

796
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: can promise you that, and maybe one Stanton home run

797
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: and that's in the home run derby, and so I

798
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: was thinking about it and I just had to think.

799
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that's just the most bogus promotion of

800
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: all time. No one's ever gonna hit that thing. It's

801
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 1: a waste of space, it's a waste of time and

802
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,359
Speaker 1: monster energy. You can do better if you actually want

803
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: to give something away, put it in a place where

804
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: something can actually be hit. That is my only take

805
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: of the day. And I don't know if you have anything, Michael,

806
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to go go after

807
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: any corporations, but but that is my big thing for

808
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: the day.

809
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: Not necessarily a corporation. I had not That's that's fantastic.

810
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 3: I had not heard that. That's truly just unbelievable.

811
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, that's I think that my only hot

812
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 2: take and something we may need to look at going

813
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,240
Speaker 2: into the second half of the season, that the Marlins

814
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: as a whole organization that the new owner needs to

815
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 2: take into account. Bring back Rally Cat. We need to

816
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: have Rally Cat come out and do some laps around

817
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: the field. Maybe just leave him in the bullpen, like

818
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 2: he needs to live in the bullpen to, you know,

819
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: just spark some arms. From this point, forward, whatever we

820
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: can do. It doesn't matter if the bullpen, if rally

821
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 2: Cat needs to come out with the new picture, the

822
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: picture that's being called in by Mattingly, if he needs

823
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 2: to walk out rally cat on a leash, whatever we

824
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: need to do, if he needs to have some like

825
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: cat nip beside the pine tar bag, whatever needs to

826
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 2: go from this point forward, I'll take it.

827
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 3: And I think rally cats are only hope. Well.

828
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: I think it's a great idea. And in little Havana

829
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 1: there are plenty of stray cats, so we could just

830
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: get another one and just say it it's rally cat.

831
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: But because I heard I heard the real rally cat

832
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: kind of disappeared into this horizon. But that's a great idea.

833
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: I know Joe Madden's been known to do some crazy stuff.

834
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: I know he got like a witch doctor when they

835
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: were losing in Tampa for a while, and I don't

836
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: see why a cat won't hurt. Also, one last thing

837
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 1: I forgot, monster energy. You're not gonna get away with it.

838
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: I actually found out the measurements. It's over five hundred

839
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 1: and ten feet to hit that sign, so that will

840
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: never happen. And that's just not fair. So that's the thing.

841
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 1: No one, if you're going to the game hoping that

842
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: you're gonna get beats, you're probably not. But anyway, this

843
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 1: is gonna this is gonna conclude the show for today.

844
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm arm Latin with Michael Stevenson and we will be

845
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 1: back weekly with the Fish Bites Podcast. Thanks for listening.