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Speaker 1: our podcast about the portrayal of women in movies. That
Speaker 1: there's no there's no getting around it. There's nothing else
Speaker 1: that could be about. God, what a day? What a
Speaker 1: dramatic day. So you're sick, I'm sick. I'm like and
Speaker 1: I'm like in a floaty phase of sick where I'm
Speaker 1: just like, I'm googling Cathy and Jamie anywhere and everywhere.
Speaker 1: I'm not sick, but I mean physically, emotionally and mentally,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing great. But who is Hey, you know
Speaker 1: has been a trial? A trial? You said, there's there's
Speaker 1: two shows on television right now with Kevin in the title.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all suffering, suffering. What is it? Kevin
Speaker 1: Can Wait? Kevin Can Wait a season two which actually
Speaker 1: apparently is supposed to be kind of wild because they
Speaker 1: kill off Kevin James's wife at the end of season one,
Speaker 1: and then season two there's a time jump in there
Speaker 1: and it's like, now he's dating Leah Remini. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just King of Queen's again. But there and then
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Speaker 1: Kevin Spacey is the worst actor available and any given time.
Speaker 1: I liked him in seven, but mostly because you don't
Speaker 1: see him from most of the movie. Anyway, Um, let's talk.
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Speaker 1: She is a member of five Gap Comedy. She runs
Speaker 1: a show called Gentrification. She's a hilarious comedian. Danielle Perez. Hey, ladies,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming. Oh man, that intro was intense. Well, yeah,
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Speaker 1: We're all dealing with PTSD in some way, shape orfore
Speaker 1: very sick. The proliferans proliference. Wow, there it is. Let's
Speaker 1: just sure. Lots of Kevin's that's too much. And then
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Speaker 1: we gotta getta you have nice teeth, more like Hen's
Speaker 1: worth list. There you go, there you go. That is
Speaker 1: another Chris. We don't need Chris, come on, Chris's Kevin's
Speaker 1: con sit down, Conna leaves Kevin Kevin conn Kevin, who's
Speaker 1: that Entourage? Right? Too many? And I think his name
Speaker 1: was I his name was e No, it was like
Speaker 1: I thought it was another scene. It was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, Eric, Eric whatever. The fact that I know
Speaker 1: any Entourage character makes me want to die. Kevin James, Kevin,
Speaker 1: Kevin Costner, Kevin's Ken of all time, Kevin Costner. You
Speaker 1: think I hate Ken? I really spacey? I say, I'm
Speaker 1: a I'm way more of a fan of space You.
Speaker 1: Len Klein, I like, oh, I do like Kevin and
Speaker 1: his daughter is like one of my favorite musicians, which
Speaker 1: ones Kevin. Kevin Klein is the voice of Phoebus in
Speaker 1: A Hundredbag of Notre Dame. Why other things I know
Speaker 1: I'm from. He's in Sophie's Choice, He's in a fish
Speaker 1: called Wanda good for him, some other stuff. Anyways, let's
Speaker 1: talk about movies, like specifically the one that we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be talking about, spooky creeky door Halloween months, I'm
Speaker 1: going to make a Jack olint or no, Alfred Molina
Speaker 1: with a fever. I shouldn't have a knife. You're like,
Speaker 1: this is the Halloween. We just end it all. Let's true,
Speaker 1: this is probably the last Halloween. So well, it's been
Speaker 1: pressing episodes. So thinking by yourself this time last year
Speaker 1: and you're just like, what, who is that? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: I was in such a better place. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: in a horrible place this time last year and somehow
Speaker 1: still better. Like, yeah, I was in Portland for a week,
Speaker 1: and then I was in Minneapolis for a week. I
Speaker 1: was I was on the road traveling, and now I'm
Speaker 1: just sleeping in my car because I gave someone a
Speaker 1: ride and then they put my wheelchair in the back
Speaker 1: seat and I was like, oh, well, I can't get
Speaker 1: out of my car now. Oh my god, Like scho
Speaker 1: why didn't you call someone because it was like one
Speaker 1: in the morning. I guess, yeah, that's true. Caitlin is
Speaker 1: so irritated. She's like, we're very off track. We're very
Speaker 1: off bab I know that that's the vibe I'm giving off. Hey,
Speaker 1: what a time to talk about hocuspoke Focus. Daniel, what's
Speaker 1: your relationship your history with this movie? I liked it
Speaker 1: a lot. I don't think I saw it in theaters
Speaker 1: because I was like, it came out of ninety three,
Speaker 1: I was like eight. I think I just saw it
Speaker 1: at a friend's house or something like that. But I
Speaker 1: remember seeing it when I was like little and liking
Speaker 1: it a lot because I liked Witches. Sure, which, when
Speaker 1: did you foresee it on Disney Channel in middle school
Speaker 1: at a sleepover, saw it again sometime in high school,
Speaker 1: then saw it again at your house law side. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's cute, so it was fun fun viewing. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't see it for the first time until well into adulthood.
Speaker 1: I saw it for the first time like four years ago.
Speaker 1: What was the situation? Um put us put us there?
Speaker 1: My my my best pal j T, who you might remember,
Speaker 1: friend of the episode. He's like, how have you never
Speaker 1: seen hocus Pocus? I think he had it on DVD
Speaker 1: and we're like, I don't remember if it was Halloween
Speaker 1: time or not. But he was just like, there was
Speaker 1: a sense of urgency that I needed to see it.
Speaker 1: Right away, I like around Halloween time as an adult. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, here's the recap for hocus Pocus. There are
Speaker 1: these three witches, their sisters that Middler, Cathin and Jamie
Speaker 1: twenty nine year old Sarah Jessica Parker Sanderson sister there,
Speaker 1: which is in the height of like Salem witch Child,
Speaker 1: like seventeen century Salem, Massachusetts, and they're conjuring this spell
Speaker 1: so that they can live forever. It literally sounds like
Speaker 1: a biopic of Madonna. I'm going to drink the blood
Speaker 1: of young people so as to live forever. And so
Speaker 1: there's this one child who they've kidnapped and they have
Speaker 1: this potion and they're about to like try to live forever.
Speaker 1: But all these people come they're like, no, we're which
Speaker 1: is well, it's her brother. Her brother tries to be
Speaker 1: like hero, tries just save her. But then all the
Speaker 1: townspeople are like wearing a white blouse like everyone. That's
Speaker 1: how you know everyone's wearing a blouse is which is
Speaker 1: very nineties of him, even though it's coppening at it's weird.
Speaker 1: This is the nine version of He's like a JTT
Speaker 1: but olden times that's what talking. And I was like,
Speaker 1: wait is that? Because I was thinking I was like, yes,
Speaker 1: it's Devon's all on this. I was like, no, it's
Speaker 1: another adorable white boy with like that same kind of
Speaker 1: bowl hair. It's the dirty bond hair and the blue
Speaker 1: eyes that was if you didn't features, yeah, like a
Speaker 1: sheer blouse. So like, what is going on? Like? Am
Speaker 1: I turned on right? Like this is happening? I know?
Speaker 1: It's like it's like I'm an adult woman when he's
Speaker 1: so clearly a child. But it's like he's a cuteiet cute,
Speaker 1: he's cute. Yeah, he's fine. Um wow, Okay, it's too
Speaker 1: good for So the townspeople come and they hang the witches,
Speaker 1: but they cast this spell that if a virgin lights
Speaker 1: a candle on All Hallows Eve, they'll be able to return.
Speaker 1: So and then they turned to the boy who tries
Speaker 1: to save his sister into a cat Sachary Banks. He
Speaker 1: goes from having two nipples as a human to eight
Speaker 1: nipples as a cat. This has been cat facts with
Speaker 1: Caitlin early and then so she's like, don't give me
Speaker 1: that blast because those sweetness done by the cat version
Speaker 1: of the twelve year old boys as a cat? Are
Speaker 1: you were you also into the robin Hood, the Disney
Speaker 1: animated robin Hood where their foxes. No, I'm not animals
Speaker 1: name let's tell how Yeah he was. Let's get the
Speaker 1: record straight. I'm not attracted to animals. Just became the first.
Speaker 1: I can't believe I have to clarify this, but I
Speaker 1: want you all to know. I literally for talking about
Speaker 1: cat nipples. That's like a really hard argument today, fair point.
Speaker 1: I'm just explaining scientific facts. Okay. So that's the first
Speaker 1: seven minutes of the movie. Flash forward to three years later.
Speaker 1: It's still set in Salem, Massachusetts. There's this boy, but
Speaker 1: this time they're time's laid back in from cat He's
Speaker 1: Los Angeles? Was that l a Hollywood? I like it?
Speaker 1: Then then they got those little meathead Massachusetts boys are
Speaker 1: like California, California anyway. So the new kid, Max Dennison,
Speaker 1: moved to town. He's like, oh, this Salem, which stuff
Speaker 1: is stupid, but he there's a hawkerl in his class
Speaker 1: who likes it. So he's like, Okay, I'll be into it.
Speaker 1: And he has a little sister, Danny, who she's like birch, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just adorable lipstick. She's got the he looks so good
Speaker 1: throughout the entire film. I'm like, stop it. Who did
Speaker 1: her hair man? Who did her makeup? Litick banana, angelic
Speaker 1: and beautiful. Yeah, I didn't tussle, just perfectly tussled throughout
Speaker 1: the entire film. I never realized, like the last time
Speaker 1: I saw this like ten years ago, like I wasn't
Speaker 1: able to appreciate it was thora Bert. Now we know
Speaker 1: she steals the show. She's so good. Yeah, she's really
Speaker 1: still the show. She's great. Man. So Max is like,
Speaker 1: I'll fine, I'll take you trigger treating because it's Halloween night,
Speaker 1: and they stumble upon the Allison Hot Girl's Hot Alison's
Speaker 1: house and waiting the staircase is a ball Gownd saying, oh, hi,
Speaker 1: like this is would you like some cider? Like okay, question,
Speaker 1: we've all been trigger treating. Who the funk gets invited
Speaker 1: into a people's homes when they do that and asked
Speaker 1: if they want cider? Like that just like it happens
Speaker 1: at all. There's that moment where it's like, oh, they're
Speaker 1: rich people that probably make us drink cider and sure enough,
Speaker 1: like is that a stereotype for rich people? People off
Speaker 1: the street drink of their cider. Why are they and please?
Speaker 1: I saw their house and they were unpacking. They look
Speaker 1: pretty loaded to me too. Has a staircase in his
Speaker 1: bedroom right a drum. He has a new Nike cross trainers.
Speaker 1: They're facts. Salem is a very wealthy town, is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So anyway, I guess it was really funny finding out
Speaker 1: what Disney thinks like rich people are like when when
Speaker 1: the baseline of all their families is already wealth Anyway,
Speaker 1: so they convinced. Max is like, oh, what an opportunity
Speaker 1: for me to bond with hot Allison. If we go
Speaker 1: to the witch's house. Do we talk about how he
Speaker 1: humped humped the pillow? He did not know? That's a
Speaker 1: great entrance in this movie is so crazy. She's hiding
Speaker 1: in the closet and then she walks in on Max
Speaker 1: because he gets home. Alison local history is so interesting
Speaker 1: out comes story and she's like, I was like, are
Speaker 1: you guys going to hook up? What's happening? That was wild?
Speaker 1: She gets like where the pillow was? Just like I'm
Speaker 1: Alice and used me like, oh no, that's your brother.
Speaker 1: Thora is very horny in this movie. It's everyone this
Speaker 1: is dead well horny dead well, but because it's a
Speaker 1: Kenny Ortega joint for his horny depth. He's known for
Speaker 1: the High School Musical Trilogy of pretty Horny Trilogy, I'd
Speaker 1: argue I was reading theories about him on the internet today.
Speaker 1: Some people say he's hooked up with Gene Kelly, Kenny Ortega.
Speaker 1: I know he's amazing. He's alleged. Is he sixty seven
Speaker 1: years old and so well preserved? Yeah, I haven't aged
Speaker 1: a day. He's drinking potions. I want to know what
Speaker 1: children he's been drinking the blood of Yeah, Like, let's
Speaker 1: zach Efron. That's why he has him in all the movies.
Speaker 1: He's like took his fans to Zach. It sucked out
Speaker 1: a couple of years out of the Definitely we kind
Speaker 1: of zach A just aged all of a sudden. It
Speaker 1: could have been, Yeah, it's just what we're seeing like
Speaker 1: pre pubescent, like to like, I'm going, yeah, what was
Speaker 1: the movie where that happened for him where it was
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm hot. I think like Neighbors. There was
Speaker 1: like a Grandpa movie, Bad Grandpa. I've never seen a
Speaker 1: friend movie that's totally watched every single movie that he's in,
Speaker 1: really love zach Efron Zach, if you're out there, we
Speaker 1: want we have I have a question, which is to
Speaker 1: your nex suck your blood. Hey, look back to hocus
Speaker 1: a pokish. Sorry. They go to the witch's house. Virgin
Speaker 1: Max light hands no one like. They all make fun
Speaker 1: of him for being a virgin, but he's fine. He's
Speaker 1: like okay, He's like, yeah, virgin Like. He offers it
Speaker 1: to the hot girl Allison, to light and she's like
Speaker 1: nothing because she's like yeah, not like you lose theer.
Speaker 1: He's like, okay, I'll do it. I'll don't it. So
Speaker 1: he lights the candle and it brings back the three
Speaker 1: witches and then they recap. So there, Oh, there's speaking
Speaker 1: of horny nous. Here's who is everyone? Who's horny? Max
Speaker 1: for Alison, maybe Thor Birch for her brother, Bett Middler
Speaker 1: for her book she wants, and then Sarah Jessica Parker
Speaker 1: for everyone everyone. Yeah, I like the horny bust driver too,
Speaker 1: Horny bust driver, Horny Satan. Yes, everyone is extremely horny.
Speaker 1: There's got to be someone out there named Horny Sade.
Speaker 1: You're out there all right, let me get through the
Speaker 1: rest of the story very fast. So the which has
Speaker 1: come back. They're like, crap, we are only gonna be
Speaker 1: able to stay alive for a day unless we can
Speaker 1: make this potion again. But the book has stolen from them.
Speaker 1: They try to get the book back because it has
Speaker 1: a recipe for the potion that lets them live forever,
Speaker 1: and then just like they don't remember. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: you're a witch. I don't really get that reliance on
Speaker 1: the book. It's at what point do you for so
Speaker 1: many hundreds of years time it's go time, it's show time.
Speaker 1: Like you can't just say, oh, the most important spell.
Speaker 1: I haven't written down something that's going to keep me
Speaker 1: alive forever, which really matters. So that, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 1: make sense that they haven't memorized. I remember like half
Speaker 1: of it. It wasn't a long spell. It was a
Speaker 1: toe of a of a dead man. And then they
Speaker 1: like spitting it part of their stuff. Yeah, thirty minutes
Speaker 1: or less. Rachel Ray like just live forever anyway, So
Speaker 1: they're trying to get their book back and then they're
Speaker 1: like no, and then they try to burn the witches
Speaker 1: and that doesn't work, and then finally they're able to
Speaker 1: defeat them. That facary binks comes back as a cat
Speaker 1: and he talks, He talks and then which is scary
Speaker 1: to me. You right, we learned from the Men in
Speaker 1: Black episode that's not you're not a fan of I
Speaker 1: was kind of horny for him as a cat to
Speaker 1: the cat, really, ocar two are you saying? In addition
Speaker 1: to me, I still want to clarify I'm not horny,
Speaker 1: you know. We're actually just like sitting there and Kayle
Speaker 1: was just like, it's crazy how much I want to
Speaker 1: fun this cat? Like can you not? It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm right next to you. Please keep your horny thoughts
Speaker 1: to yourself. A lot of horny day this is Is
Speaker 1: this an actor's film or is this a tone poem?
Speaker 1: That's what I have to ask myself. At the beginning,
Speaker 1: I would say, ken you or take a body of
Speaker 1: work is more of a tone wol you say that?
Speaker 1: But when Bette Midler's and it suddenly it's an actor's
Speaker 1: hidden She's giving us range and depth. I know because
Speaker 1: there's her ugly before they drink of the potion and
Speaker 1: then different they look. How different to their hair is
Speaker 1: just a little bit more, but their hair is better
Speaker 1: like this shape. But they also it is it's like
Speaker 1: they took all the really poorly applied special effects makeup
Speaker 1: and prosthetics and just kind of sleft it off right right,
Speaker 1: so it's still unattractive. Someone took a baby wipe to
Speaker 1: them and they're like, we did it. We killed a child.
Speaker 1: Now we looked two percent nicer. Maybe it's a bones thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe their bones hurt. And then I'm just throwing it out. Sure,
Speaker 1: which is have bones? Yeah, but isn't that the whole
Speaker 1: thing about them? Like floating? Oh maybe they have hollow
Speaker 1: bones like bird bones, but they're so strong. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: not writing the rules of which is I don't know.
Speaker 1: She res so finely. They destroy the witches and everything's
Speaker 1: fine and Tha Gary Banks gets to return to his
Speaker 1: like ghost form and everything's great and uh and then
Speaker 1: is there a kiss? At the ages to die? Which die?
Speaker 1: There's kiss? There's a weird spooney thing we were taught. Okay,
Speaker 1: we were saying, what's his name? Max? Max must have
Speaker 1: been doing some serious, like the Secret style manifesting, because
Speaker 1: this day in the afternoon, he's like humping his pillow
Speaker 1: thinking about this girl. Fast forward like eight hours later,
Speaker 1: she's in his freaking arms. It's been and it's been
Speaker 1: taking a little nat reclining on the formerly humped pillow question. Okay, ladies,
Speaker 1: we were all sixteen year old horny girls. Have you
Speaker 1: ever taken a pillow and been like a person at
Speaker 1: school who I really like tried that yesterday? There. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was kind of surprised they like did it because
Speaker 1: it's a Disney film and it's if it is something
Speaker 1: very high school that you do. It was weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: I do not to talk about a twelve year old
Speaker 1: characters sexuality. He's probably like fifty. I think he's like
Speaker 1: SIXTI oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, I feel better. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about his sexual developing manhood. I it
Speaker 1: looks so upset. She's like, let's go back to catball. Hang.
Speaker 1: I know that Catlin would rather be sucking on a
Speaker 1: cat now, But I think we need to talk about
Speaker 1: masculinity there or in Trouble Today or okay, okay, but
Speaker 1: but truly we I mean, obviously point of this podcast
Speaker 1: is to talk about female characters, but I think portrayal
Speaker 1: of masculinity also is super important, and this was I
Speaker 1: thought a pretty good one in terms of like Max
Speaker 1: is a sixteen year old and a version which is
Speaker 1: not uncommon like and on average, I think men tend
Speaker 1: to lose their virginity later than women do. But I
Speaker 1: thought it was kind of cool to see a young
Speaker 1: male character who was like, I'm a virgin. I'll light
Speaker 1: this candle whatever I'm I'll do the inciting incident of
Speaker 1: the movie because I've never fucked before. I thought that
Speaker 1: was nice. And even when people were giving him shit
Speaker 1: about it, he never got like like I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: I'm a monster now. But I thought that that was
Speaker 1: like a pleasant part of this movie. It's like, we
Speaker 1: have a virgin male and everyone like even when people
Speaker 1: aren't cool with it, like the guy who's the guy
Speaker 1: who's talking to the fake police officer, he was like,
Speaker 1: but that was a weird interaction where he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a virgin and the police officer was like really
Speaker 1: and then like, how are you not inside a woman
Speaker 1: right now? Like the application was weird, Like he wasn't like,
Speaker 1: oh you suck you was just like, but you're so hot.
Speaker 1: It was But anyways, I liked Max's character for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you see so often in media where like young
Speaker 1: boys are like I gotta lose my virginity. It's like
Speaker 1: this thing and being a virgin's name, and it's makes
Speaker 1: me a loser. So it's nice to see him like
Speaker 1: maybe not necessarily embrace it, but to be okay with
Speaker 1: it and corny virgin and he doesn't care. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: it gets brought up like four or five different times
Speaker 1: in the movie where you're a virgin and he's like, huh,
Speaker 1: I mean he got a lot accomplished by never fucking
Speaker 1: in that movie. Yeah, you see that like portrayal of
Speaker 1: like virgins being lame. So I'm like, yeah, a good
Speaker 1: point in this movie. Like he's it's fine with it.
Speaker 1: It's weird. It's nice to see it around the hero, right,
Speaker 1: And I was just at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: he's still like a hot kid. He's going to be
Speaker 1: fine though that I should the beginning, not not top
Speaker 1: it much. I like and I like them. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm DNA programmed to love little meathead Massachusetts
Speaker 1: boys like what you liked ice in the back roum
Speaker 1: literally people I went to fourth grade with, Like did
Speaker 1: you ever did you go to school with kids who
Speaker 1: would have the Nike swoosh just shaved and that are
Speaker 1: like a lightning bullet. Yeah. Now, I went to school
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, California Callie Boys. Maybe that's why I
Speaker 1: like it's okay right right, because you know, because you
Speaker 1: know that laid back Callie vibe. Man. I still I
Speaker 1: still kind of find it exotic and exciting. And then
Speaker 1: and then whereas like I'm used to ice, sure dumb
Speaker 1: dumb like you won't go watch a hockey game like dumbass.
Speaker 1: So I know we've only talked about men's so far,
Speaker 1: the bail characters, but I'm going to do it some more. Um,
Speaker 1: So we were like, okay, who is the protagonists movie?
Speaker 1: Is it? Winnie Sanderson? Bette Midler's character not really choose
Speaker 1: the main antagonist. The protagonist is Max, which means this
Speaker 1: is like a boy's story told from a boy's perspective.
Speaker 1: There are right, he doesn't have like another boy except
Speaker 1: for Thackeray the Cat and Billy Butcherson the Zombie. Well,
Speaker 1: but then you've bat the argument that it was that
Speaker 1: Grey the Cat's movie. Yes, well, each character is pretty
Speaker 1: active arguments. Things are about to get very serious. Whose
Speaker 1: movie is focus? Ultimately? Is Kenny Ortegas Ultimately but I mean,
Speaker 1: the movie is remembered for the three Witches, but they
Speaker 1: are the antagonistic force of the movie. We're not rooting
Speaker 1: for them. Rights is barely in Beetle Juice. Yes, you
Speaker 1: can come in minutes in. Oh, that's a strong case
Speaker 1: to make me watch it. Yeah, Beatlee feminist icon. So
Speaker 1: we yeah, we remember this story for like the three
Speaker 1: Witches mostly, but it's like Max's story, which is kind
Speaker 1: of weird to think about. But I would make the
Speaker 1: argument that all of the female characters are just as active,
Speaker 1: if not more so than him, and moving the story forward.
Speaker 1: She doesn't watch, and Alice actually does a lot because
Speaker 1: she in the very beginning, whenever they conjure the witches back,
Speaker 1: she like hits one of them with a broom and
Speaker 1: then a frying pan and actually like saves the two
Speaker 1: girls have to save Max, and that he doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: been established that Max the Virgin cannot fight. Yeah, held
Speaker 1: up in a cemetery for his Nike Cross trainers. But
Speaker 1: his buddy, your boyfriend, he's actually on his way. I
Speaker 1: wish I could say that said, seriously, my boyfriend Ice
Speaker 1: is like picking me up, so I can't stay. I
Speaker 1: was so happy for you. It is so really happy
Speaker 1: for you both, but like, yeah, he doesn't, like he
Speaker 1: gets like shook down for his shoes, and then a
Speaker 1: contrast of like toxic masculinity versus like whatever whatever, the
Speaker 1: don't know. But then they're like trigger treating and then
Speaker 1: it's like Ice and like a larger group, And I
Speaker 1: do love that thora Birch's character. It's like my I'm
Speaker 1: here with my big brother, so even to watch yourselves
Speaker 1: and the big he's actually just take my candy and
Speaker 1: please listen. Because Ice is an extremely strong female protagonist,
Speaker 1: so that we see the trope over and over of
Speaker 1: men having the same women, which happens in the beginning
Speaker 1: with Thacary trying actually failing to save his little sister Emily.
Speaker 1: But then the next time we see a thing like that,
Speaker 1: it's Allison and Danny having to save Max and then
Speaker 1: he like gets his composure whatever, and he's like, oh,
Speaker 1: the burning reign of death and like they're able to escape.
Speaker 1: But like it was cool to you see Allison and
Speaker 1: Danny like save they are, yeah, the team exactly. But
Speaker 1: then it's also later on it's Allison who comes up
Speaker 1: with the idea to burn the witches, which proves unsuccessful,
Speaker 1: but she was at least like active women tearing down women.
Speaker 1: She is, Um, how do we feel about them wanting
Speaker 1: to deny the witches and what they want? They're fully
Speaker 1: actualized women, I mean, but they're doing it at the
Speaker 1: expense of the lives of children. So do we cares
Speaker 1: a culture? Do we need children? At this point? It's
Speaker 1: just cruel to keep having them? Right? Yeah, Like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, shout out to all those newborn babies. Are
Speaker 1: we going to talk? Are we talking about the wishes?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, yeah, yeah, Well one last So Alison has
Speaker 1: the idea to burn the witches, and then she at
Speaker 1: the end figures out what the witches are trying to
Speaker 1: do with like conjuring on the children to suck the
Speaker 1: life force out of them or whatever. So like she's
Speaker 1: not the protagonist necessarily, but she plays an active role.
Speaker 1: So it's nice because a lot of times you see
Speaker 1: a supporting character like that pretty much just tagging along
Speaker 1: and not doing anything. So you see her doing stuff
Speaker 1: and like influencing the story. So I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: I know I didn't appreciate because like she is the
Speaker 1: brains of a lot of what's happening because like her
Speaker 1: mom worked at the Witch right, And there's that scene
Speaker 1: in the classroom where he's like, Halloween has invented by
Speaker 1: the candy companies. I'm wearing a T shirt on the
Speaker 1: hippie and she's like, yeah, actually, drop some knowledge on you.
Speaker 1: Actually you live in Salem, Massachusetts. You fucking lit really
Speaker 1: Halloween times women have died. Yeah, people are dying, Okay,
Speaker 1: But I didn't like how the cat Thackeray was the
Speaker 1: one that like led them to the cemetery and was like,
Speaker 1: which is can touch hallowed ground? And it's like she
Speaker 1: would know that. I feel like he stepped on Allison's
Speaker 1: fact knowledge and that just she probably knew that already
Speaker 1: because she knew about the salt well, she had to
Speaker 1: read it from the book. She didn't learn about that
Speaker 1: until they opened up the book at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you would think Alison would know more because of that museum.
Speaker 1: And then she told Danny, like Flora Burges's character, like
Speaker 1: I love witches and it's like I don't know more
Speaker 1: about it, right, look it up. Kind of crystals are
Speaker 1: you working with? I don't. I can't imagine anything that's strong, right,
Speaker 1: So the Witches Kathy and Jamie who Okay, I have
Speaker 1: a little bit of a problem with her character because
Speaker 1: she's basically she's like very horny and she basically does
Speaker 1: not thing. And then she's just like she's like perpetuating
Speaker 1: like the dumb blonde bimbo stereotype. Yes, and an egregious wig.
Speaker 1: No less than you. But she does get to use
Speaker 1: her Broadway singing voice to conjure the children. Oh yes, yes, no,
Speaker 1: well Sarah did she She got cast in Annie when
Speaker 1: she was really young. Of course she's an Annie. Sarah God,
Speaker 1: I like Sarah a lot. That's her character's name too.
Speaker 1: It is that is fully betting out Kenny Artego is
Speaker 1: just like here's some fake teeth, do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: fake teeth in a wig. Go crazy and she is great.
Speaker 1: And another thing is that it drives me crazy when
Speaker 1: Broadway stars are put in movies, and it's like, it
Speaker 1: would just be so so easy for you to give
Speaker 1: us one scene them singing just a little bit, and
Speaker 1: we get it. We get it, Yeah, we got it,
Speaker 1: And it's so good remembered about the movie, it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: But in terms of like their characters, I mean, like
Speaker 1: obviously Winifred Sanderson. Bette Mallard's character is like the brains
Speaker 1: the operation. The other two are just sort of like her.
Speaker 1: Can't taste right. It's so between the three of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they can't even do any memorize. Okay, let's try the
Speaker 1: three of us right now to memorize a spell. We can't.
Speaker 1: I mean, well, that's like my whole issue with Charmed.
Speaker 1: It's like, there's three of you. You guys can't figure
Speaker 1: out one spell between the three of you. Is your favorite?
Speaker 1: Which on Charmed? I liked Rose McGowan just because I
Speaker 1: liked her to She's great. She's great, I did. I
Speaker 1: love Piper and then and I love her own Pretty
Speaker 1: Little Liars as the mom too. She stars I'm Pretty
Speaker 1: Little Liars every it's like Piper your Magic. Would it
Speaker 1: surprise you to know that I've not seen either of
Speaker 1: those shows. I don't ever seen charts. I don't we
Speaker 1: have a TV podcast. I watched a lot of TV.
Speaker 1: I can talk to you about sex in this City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen so upset, I so distraught. You're ringing
Speaker 1: at the thought of a Samantha. I'm in, I'm a Miranda,
Speaker 1: You're you're a Charlotte Bird sick Bird. I'm actually a
Speaker 1: Raphael because as far as I'm concerned, I'm Chris, no teenager.
Speaker 1: And Turtles is a better version of Sex in the City. Okay, God,
Speaker 1: they're all in New York. We're going to let you
Speaker 1: on fire. I made a sketch called sex in the
Speaker 1: Stewart and it's all of the Ninja Turtles as Sex
Speaker 1: in the City characters and we just talk about turtle
Speaker 1: sex pond. I'll share it on Twitter. It's probably the
Speaker 1: best thing I've ever the world contest. Wow, that's honestly amazing.
Speaker 1: Last meeting, I want me back, all right. I want
Speaker 1: to talk about witchcraft and how it's a thing that
Speaker 1: like men in history have been like, oh no, a
Speaker 1: woman with agency and like identity, fuck her, she's a witch. Um.
Speaker 1: I was trying to read it up on like the
Speaker 1: Salem witch trials and stuff like that, and then I
Speaker 1: forgot to finish. So I don't know if I will
Speaker 1: be making any useful points, but I think it's worth Okay,
Speaker 1: starting No one, Act one, Seen one, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: think it's just worth noting that throughout history women have
Speaker 1: been persecuted because they were thought to be witches, And
Speaker 1: it was mostly just because they were like maybe practicing
Speaker 1: some like pagan rituals, but like what like who can
Speaker 1: like like they were maybe vegans, they gotta die. It
Speaker 1: was like a lot of midwives. So it's like women
Speaker 1: who were older, maybe didn't have children, but who had
Speaker 1: like knowledge of like the female body and like what
Speaker 1: it could do and how to like help it and
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's like this knowledge that we don't possess,
Speaker 1: and I'm scared of it now and I got to
Speaker 1: have someone to blame. Isn't it funny how that's still
Speaker 1: happening right now? The GOP is like, hey, no abortions,
Speaker 1: no birth control, no health care. Literally, I feel like
Speaker 1: I know that there's currently no tests for like congress
Speaker 1: or presidency, but like they should be having to take
Speaker 1: at least like some sort of like sex one oh
Speaker 1: one because they don't. I don't think many of them
Speaker 1: even know how like the female reproductive system works the
Speaker 1: way just the things they say, it's great. Like there's
Speaker 1: a senator I don't remember which one, but who see
Speaker 1: the one that's like, well, you know, the body is
Speaker 1: a way of showing that whole rape thing down. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what are you what? What do I have? Venom? Like?
Speaker 1: What is what is the thing that you know that
Speaker 1: I don't know? It was a senator who had just
Speaker 1: voted that, you know, women can't get abortions anymore, and
Speaker 1: then asked his mistress to be like, actually you need
Speaker 1: to get another planned parenthood that I'm actively trying to
Speaker 1: shut down, Like fuck off. Yeah, oh this is the
Speaker 1: worst timeline gang, this is it. This is the darkest one.
Speaker 1: But his focus right, Um, So that and then I
Speaker 1: wanted to mention that a lot of female movie villains
Speaker 1: are witches, which, like, you know, maybe perpetuating this idea
Speaker 1: that like, well, because witches are like vilified. I mean
Speaker 1: I've seen as like an evil yeah, but a dark
Speaker 1: sided cream, which is bad, but it's also just like uncreative.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, we need a female villain and she's
Speaker 1: a witch. It's like we don't save the day. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well there's good witches in film and TV, but it
Speaker 1: is really good get rules. Anyways, It's weird that it
Speaker 1: just occurred to me. I'm like, oh, so for this
Speaker 1: whole movie. Weird to assume that a the Salem witch
Speaker 1: trials were totally legit because the witches were actually that
Speaker 1: in drinking the blood of children. I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: that is actually an insanely backwards thing to open the
Speaker 1: movie with. It's like, well, clear as we all know,
Speaker 1: the Salem witch Trials were a glowing moment in American history,
Speaker 1: and we were right favorite like what that. I didn't
Speaker 1: even think of it that way. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: see Ben Middler in an I party. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's wild. It's weird. It's really wild. Yeah, where it's
Speaker 1: a couple they deserve to die. Yeah, they were trying
Speaker 1: to eat those children, right, Like, what were they doing
Speaker 1: in that cabin? They're probably trying to kill a kid. Uh,
Speaker 1: we better and then we see them get hey, that
Speaker 1: is weird, Kenny, Yeah, me, what the heck? Kenny? Who
Speaker 1: wrote this movie? It was Mick Garris and Neil Comfort
Speaker 1: to a man named Mick. Honestly, there's a sort of
Speaker 1: like throwaway moment in the movie where so Billy Butcherson
Speaker 1: is the zombie who gets brought back to life. I
Speaker 1: like him. You had a crush on him. I didn't
Speaker 1: think you had enough for Caitlin. Ye for all the
Speaker 1: words you're putting in my mouth, but it was like
Speaker 1: dirty about he's a dirty you know what he was
Speaker 1: mad at like a dog. I got it. I do
Speaker 1: not want to zombies and I don't want to catch
Speaker 1: but you you like, this is my love it Wait,
Speaker 1: but he was look at her glowing, there's feels rubbing
Speaker 1: her hands together like she's about with excitement. Oh god, anyway,
Speaker 1: a horny energy in this room. Because I'm a witch,
Speaker 1: I'm casting a horny spell. I'm gonna look up some spells. Okay,
Speaker 1: I look up a horny spell. I'm totally which because
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding right now because we were talking about which
Speaker 1: is no, It's okay. Literally every month I bleed through
Speaker 1: my tamp on it. I'm like, this is the month
Speaker 1: I'm going to get a Diva Cup and I never do.
Speaker 1: What about the period panties? Thinks? Hey, sponsor us sponsor
Speaker 1: this very important feminist podcast, thinks if you're out there,
Speaker 1: I still think you know we're all in the besality. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to skip large. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: want to do Diva Cup, but then I just never.
Speaker 1: I'm like, every time it occurs to me, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh wait, but I should get Amazon Prime, and then
Speaker 1: I don't and then on this I can't do that.
Speaker 1: I'll forget to sign up for the free trial. I
Speaker 1: just have that birth control implant in my arm that
Speaker 1: makes you not have a period for three years. And
Speaker 1: I'm not bleeding. I can't be a witch if I'm
Speaker 1: not bleeding. Ever, that sounds like a witchy as I'm bleeding.
Speaker 1: I'm bleeding right now. To cool as a lot of
Speaker 1: blood flowed. I like the word all in the same
Speaker 1: moon cycle. Yeah, I'm like, oh man, it's it's nice.
Speaker 1: We're all sinking that. I'm gonna go get some crystals
Speaker 1: after this, Like have you ever bought I've never bought crystals.
Speaker 1: All right, back to Hocus Focus. So Billy Butcherson, there's
Speaker 1: a moment where they get to the cemetery for the
Speaker 1: first time. Sachary Banks is all like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: the grave of Billy he was when he's lover but
Speaker 1: she caught him sporting with her sister and she poisoned
Speaker 1: him and tied his mouth shut with a dull needle.
Speaker 1: That I'm on board with, yes, because that's got to happen.
Speaker 1: Sure a lot of times when if there's like an
Speaker 1: infidelity that happens and a woman finds like her man
Speaker 1: partner has been unfaithful. The other woman is vilified rather
Speaker 1: than like the man like usually gets off the hooker.
Speaker 1: She might be mad at in but like you know,
Speaker 1: but I mean like her sister, i'd be pissed, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. But I feel like, but she's like, that's
Speaker 1: my sister yea, And it doesn't even seem like they
Speaker 1: have any like I mean, they like all kind of
Speaker 1: insult each other, but she never brings it up. First
Speaker 1: of all, what is sporting with Like she's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that Cott Disney looking in her house? Which sister was?
Speaker 1: He supposed to was? Right? Who so horny that she?
Speaker 1: That character is weird because it's just like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: so horny, she doesn't have control over herself her broomstick, Yes,
Speaker 1: she's it's a lot. It's like it's a more graphic
Speaker 1: version of Max with a billow. It's a cast the
Speaker 1: horny spell on her. But I do, I do like
Speaker 1: So there's like five main male characters. I used to
Speaker 1: mend his friend where then his name is Billy Butcherson,
Speaker 1: Thackary Banks and Max of like the good guys, which
Speaker 1: you find out that Billy Butcherson is like a good guy.
Speaker 1: At the end, two of them are a zombie doesn't
Speaker 1: talk for most of the movie, and when he does talk,
Speaker 1: he tells a woman to go to hell. Not feminist.
Speaker 1: I've been there. I found it quite lovely good. But
Speaker 1: you know what, it's a pretty badass of her to
Speaker 1: like come back from the dad, summon this dude who
Speaker 1: fucked her over and she still won't let him speak,
Speaker 1: and it's like do my bidding. Yeah, it's pretty bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta respect her for that. I like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I Whinnie is the eater, she's the leader, follows the
Speaker 1: rule that the woman with the shortest hair is in charge.
Speaker 1: She is she has the shortest hair. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Trying to tell it's been like a big up. It's
Speaker 1: in two piles of her head there. But and then
Speaker 1: Kathy and Janie her. I feel like she's under used
Speaker 1: in this. She is she just really she spends most
Speaker 1: of her time just contorting her mouth. Yeah, she's had
Speaker 1: some sort into some sort of weird half smile. It
Speaker 1: was weird. I mean, it's a very interesting character choice.
Speaker 1: It was I don't know, Yeah, I was like, I
Speaker 1: wish she had more to do, more to do or
Speaker 1: just like I mean, at least we remember Sarah Jessica
Speaker 1: Parker's character for being so horny, Like what do we
Speaker 1: remember she's Oh, she smells children a lot. But from
Speaker 1: her story, from a story standpoint, not a feminist standpoint,
Speaker 1: we don't super need two of the witches. Like you're
Speaker 1: really just but you gotta have a witch crew. That's true. Well,
Speaker 1: yeah I don't have. You got to have backup. That's
Speaker 1: but they're not helpful. But yeah, they're not that helpful.
Speaker 1: Which but also it's hocus Pocus, and you know it's
Speaker 1: hocus Pocus. There's three witches threes true and hilarious comedy
Speaker 1: in core for children. Yeah, just storytelling in general. I
Speaker 1: have a spell. Okay, I googled horny spell is what
Speaker 1: came up. Oh my god. Okay, So this is called
Speaker 1: a coda's love and lust spell. Visualize the person having
Speaker 1: sex with you and then say I have wanted you,
Speaker 1: I have wanted you, Now you shall want me, Now
Speaker 1: you shall want me. This is my will, This is
Speaker 1: my will. So mote it be, so mote it be? Congratulations?
Speaker 1: Were all getting laid? If that was a man saying
Speaker 1: that to a woman, that would be the rapiest thing
Speaker 1: in the entire world. You're not supposed to say that
Speaker 1: were women. So we're witches and it's okay. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to say as while you're quietly humping your pillow in
Speaker 1: the pillow and hump it, well you're saying, and then
Speaker 1: you'll manifest and he'll be in your arms before you
Speaker 1: know it. So okay, what does what does mean? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I feel like she just like to use
Speaker 1: her heart like modd like done, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Just punctuation really nineties terms. Yea, yeah, because she's it's three.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, thora birch sasitely delivers the year. Do we
Speaker 1: talk much about her character? I mean she's eight, so
Speaker 1: like what really, she's pretty, she's a spitfire. She's not afraid.
Speaker 1: I mean she does get a little scared, but she's
Speaker 1: just like active, she's smart. She's not like there's an
Speaker 1: unusual sibling dynamic where her brother kind of tends to
Speaker 1: roll over and do whatever she wants. Yeah, she's kind
Speaker 1: of an alpha. She's in charge. Yeah, she's totally in
Speaker 1: try and she she is making fun of him for
Speaker 1: being a virgin all the time, and she apparently knows
Speaker 1: what's sexy. It's like she's wearing she's in full makeup.
Speaker 1: She's a woman of the world. She's from Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: you know she she's an l a gal like girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's taking over New England. Yeah, I mean I like
Speaker 1: that character. And and also she's a good actress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because children get me started on an issue. Child I
Speaker 1: mean I do too. I don't care for them a do. Yeah. Well, Also,
Speaker 1: they're just roaming out in the wild here too, just
Speaker 1: frothing at them out there's too many. I like, what's
Speaker 1: happened to the girl that plays Sally Draper. She seems
Speaker 1: like she's developed into like a decent, like normal, like
Speaker 1: not traumatized right outside anyway. Rights, it happens well because
Speaker 1: Hayley Joel hasman. Oh okay, my boyfriend Ice, that's my cook. Okay.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know who Aeriel Winters? Is She a
Speaker 1: nerdy daughter on on Modern Family? Yes? I did? She
Speaker 1: and her internet presence let me tell you, is it wild?
Speaker 1: She dresses so slutty on every red carpet. It is
Speaker 1: hilarious to be like, I'm just botty as fuck. Just
Speaker 1: like showed up to the Smurfs movie, just like full cleavage,
Speaker 1: like ass crack out, just like tiny barely covering her crotch,
Speaker 1: and like her family drama is like very there's like
Speaker 1: I think she actually got emancipated from her mom. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like so her family dynamic is really messed up. She
Speaker 1: just so out there and over the top. It's pretty hilarious.
Speaker 1: I encourage you all to follow Aerial Winters followed on
Speaker 1: Instagram and the word fuck is in her bio. She
Speaker 1: does not post pics from Modern Family. Oh except when
Speaker 1: it's ty Burrell's birthday. Then she whips up the Modern
Speaker 1: Family fix. Ty Burrell went to Penn State University, which
Speaker 1: is a place that I have one of two degrees
Speaker 1: from the second one being a master's degree in screenwriting
Speaker 1: from Boston University. And you know that I hate to
Speaker 1: bring it up, but the opportunity was there, so ill hot.
Speaker 1: Yeah of course, Oh my god, she's kissing a tall
Speaker 1: man on a boat in this picture. To her, she's
Speaker 1: gone out and getting what she wants to let everyone,
Speaker 1: She's like, I'm the nerdy girl from Modern Family. But yeah,
Speaker 1: make no mistake. But thora Birch thriving. Excellent example of
Speaker 1: a child actor who ended up being like a wonderful adult.
Speaker 1: Now she's an indie darling. Thora Birch was later in
Speaker 1: the worst movie of all time American Beauty. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a great movie, Ghost World. Uh. And then now she's
Speaker 1: a she's you know, an indy darling. Cool, good for
Speaker 1: her people. Yeah, and she's Max do oh interesting question.
Speaker 1: Just google Horny spell again. We're okay, I'm about to
Speaker 1: find out what happened to Armory Cats whoa he aged
Speaker 1: very well? Well, he's only four to what a little hottie.
Speaker 1: I know, but sometimes child stars end up looking kind
Speaker 1: of kind of rough. See, Haley, Joel, don't you dare there?
Speaker 1: We all have eyes literally, Haley Joel, Haley Joel, I'm
Speaker 1: on your side. Danielle put it on a coffee bag. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what is he doing now? No one knows the
Speaker 1: last time anyone saw this man who was in General
Speaker 1: Hospital in two thousand, where he played a bit part
Speaker 1: as a tattoo artist. Well, Armory, if you're out there,
Speaker 1: if you're a friend of the cast, if you're listening us,
Speaker 1: know what it was like to be in a movie
Speaker 1: with so many strong, powerful women, and I have to
Speaker 1: say you're a virgin over and over. Hey, does anyone
Speaker 1: have any final thoughts about the movie that we're talking about?
Speaker 1: Focus that Thatt Miller's character is the Greenwich Kathena, Jimmy's
Speaker 1: character is the Red Witch, and Sarahdesca Parker is the
Speaker 1: Purple Witch. And Caitlyn your microphone is great. Jimmy, your
Speaker 1: microphone is rat and mine is a blue which is
Speaker 1: we were? We were? What any thing to say? He
Speaker 1: just throw that, Did I feel like I'm not the
Speaker 1: Winnie of the group If I'm a Charlotte, I'm for
Speaker 1: sure not the Winnie. That's that's a mean thing to
Speaker 1: say to your friend. Ye agree, I'm glad you're not
Speaker 1: a Charlotte. We should talk about whether or not the
Speaker 1: movie passes the Bechtel test the Doe. Yeah, it sure does.
Speaker 1: All the sisters talk to each other pretty much in
Speaker 1: every single scene that they're in, and usually not about
Speaker 1: a man, although like Billy Butcherson gets mentioned, that Gary
Speaker 1: Bins gets mentioned, but like mostly talking about that little Danny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're talking about her or children general, children in general,
Speaker 1: wanting to stay young forever, the potions that spells like, yeah,
Speaker 1: talking about all kinds of stuff. Alten, did Danny talk
Speaker 1: quite a bit? Yes, Danny talks to her coke head
Speaker 1: mom that we didn't talk there, just like I'm a dad,
Speaker 1: don't you tell, isn't it? And just like man, their
Speaker 1: parents were fu up? Like that was like man, still
Speaker 1: in love after all these years? Inspiring. Yeah. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: a lot of different exchanges between women who have names,
Speaker 1: So for sure the movie passes the Bechdel test. Let's
Speaker 1: rate the movie on her nipple scale. We rate on
Speaker 1: a scale zero to five nipples based on how the
Speaker 1: movie treats its female characters. I'm going to give it.
Speaker 1: I'll say like a three and a half, maybe even
Speaker 1: a four. I think it does pretty well. I would
Speaker 1: say the main female characters outnumber the male characters, especially
Speaker 1: like if you're talking about human males, there's pretty much
Speaker 1: Max and then us two like stupid bone headed Salem
Speaker 1: Massachusetts dudes, but Ice AND's friend sorry but yeah. The
Speaker 1: other ones are either a cat or a zombie who
Speaker 1: doesn't even talk for most of the movie, and then
Speaker 1: the Yeah, the rest of the characters are pretty strong,
Speaker 1: active women who play a significant role in the story.
Speaker 1: You know, I've got to take points off for like
Speaker 1: the two side, which I mean, but that's fine. It's
Speaker 1: just that those characters are very well developed. Like one
Speaker 1: of them, her main thing is that she's corny, and
Speaker 1: the other one is that she on Sarah Jessica Parker
Speaker 1: duration of this movie. Sure, we just got some right
Speaker 1: or something. And so if we're comparing, like, so, let's
Speaker 1: assume that Allison's character is roughly the same age as
Speaker 1: like Megan Fox's character in the first Transformers movie. She
Speaker 1: doesn't get all grossly objectified the way that Megan Fox does.
Speaker 1: So Kenny Ortega is maybe he's objectifying feminist iron Kenny Ortega.
Speaker 1: Maybe I wouldn't go so far as to say that. No,
Speaker 1: not Kenny Artaga. No, we're saying that Michael Bay, the
Speaker 1: way he chooses to frame like Megan Fox's character in
Speaker 1: the Transformers movie is like severely objectifying in lingery, like
Speaker 1: look at her boots. But I mean, isn't that the
Speaker 1: pinnacle of like what American cinema male gaze is? Michael
Speaker 1: Bay totally literally this camera. So I'm giving points to
Speaker 1: I suppose Kenny Ortega, but to the movie Hocus Focus.
Speaker 1: We're not objectifyinging the like hot teen girl in that
Speaker 1: movie the way, Yeah, she doesn't show any clevland. She's
Speaker 1: been like an ugly brown sweater for most, like a
Speaker 1: big up top. Yeah, and he likes well in that's
Speaker 1: scene where she's like got the oh but they called
Speaker 1: that out where in the beginning when she's like Danny's
Speaker 1: like I could never wear a dress like that. I
Speaker 1: don't have the what do you call them lobos or something?
Speaker 1: He loves your boobies. I forget what word she using
Speaker 1: your bankas or thora settled down. So yeah, that the
Speaker 1: two like sidekick witches are like not super well developed,
Speaker 1: but you know, not everyone gets the most perfectly fleshed
Speaker 1: out character in a movie. So that's like kind of okay,
Speaker 1: And yeah, I just like the It is weird to
Speaker 1: me that like it's Max's story that it's like framed
Speaker 1: around like a boy's perspective and point of views. It
Speaker 1: seems like such a it feels like the male characters
Speaker 1: and kind of guy I forget, like, oh, he's important
Speaker 1: part of this, because you could like boil it down
Speaker 1: to like the three women being like those are the villains,
Speaker 1: and then the love interest and then the little sister
Speaker 1: that needs looking after. But because they are active in
Speaker 1: like pushing the story forward, it doesn't feel like that,
Speaker 1: like the story is told from his perspective for the
Speaker 1: most part, but he's like not doing all that much
Speaker 1: more or even more than anybody else. Right, Yeah, I'll
Speaker 1: go I'm gonna stick with three and a half. And
Speaker 1: they belong of course to Thachary Banks the cat And
Speaker 1: please don't say again that I fuck cats. That was
Speaker 1: a nipple sacket. That a cat coming, Daniel. How many
Speaker 1: nipples do you give it? I give it four? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a fun I mean, Bette Midler, Sarah just
Speaker 1: of Parker catheen to Jimmy, they're having fun. I know
Speaker 1: that those two whiches don't get much to do, but
Speaker 1: they do seem to genuinely like be having a good
Speaker 1: time and having a blast on screen. And it's kind
Speaker 1: of rare you get to see women, older women, women
Speaker 1: for me to look ugly right for the screen, kind
Speaker 1: of just having a blast, kind of children and kill children.
Speaker 1: I love it. Yeah, Worth mentioning that this is an
Speaker 1: extremely white movie, yell people of color with speaking roles
Speaker 1: and barely even like there might be an extra or
Speaker 1: two who's a person of color everyone else. I did
Speaker 1: see an ex straw and crutches, and I was like,
Speaker 1: what a lot disability. But other than that, yeah, a
Speaker 1: very very white movie. Is that Massachusetts? Is that Salem? Though?
Speaker 1: That is that is Salem? But that is also a
Speaker 1: major cop out. But I'm sure that they could make
Speaker 1: that argument because Salem is full of like rich white people.
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it four as well because even
Speaker 1: though and this is such a low bar to set,
Speaker 1: but it's like, even though not all the female characters
Speaker 1: are really fleshed out, I feel like it's just kind
Speaker 1: of a sloppy movie in general. Like from a story standpoint,
Speaker 1: it's not a cinematic masterpiece. There's there's effects. Do not
Speaker 1: age well, No, there's just like a little bit too
Speaker 1: much going on. There's like a few too many characters
Speaker 1: maybe in the movie. But the female characters, I mean,
Speaker 1: with the acception of the fact that they're trying to
Speaker 1: kill the witches, but they're not being like constantly beaten
Speaker 1: down by the story. They're not being punished, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's fun, it's good. Can you rotega? Generally,
Speaker 1: I would say, and hopefully We'll discuss it further in
Speaker 1: our Inevitable High School and musical. Cantega makes good star
Speaker 1: like is a good director for women. It seems like
Speaker 1: most of his female characters are treated with respect in
Speaker 1: his body of tone pumps, so remains to be seen
Speaker 1: true True. I'm going to get so four nipples tour
Speaker 1: tour for Kenny, and I'll throw to back to Caitlin
Speaker 1: for her to throw in that catchres and loves. This
Speaker 1: is the end of cat facts with Caitlin because we'll
Speaker 1: not stand for this. How did it go on for
Speaker 1: so long? She won't stand down below with you? All right? Well, Danielle,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being here. This has been
Speaker 1: so much fun. Thank you for having me. This has
Speaker 1: been a treat in a joy trick or tree, Happy Hello,
Speaker 1: Happy Halloween. Where can people follow you online? Follow me
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